Love these. Now, Acehe test, go! :) BTW, a few times where you seemed to confuse yourself in the video: First, you stated that the Thunderpower was less energy dense than the R-Line, which was not true: Thunderpower is 8.53 mAh/g, R-Line is 8.11 mAh/g and the CNHL is 7.63 mAh/g. Second, there were no error in the CNHL report, you just read the wrong number :) (you seemed to remember again at the end, so the video's conclusion was sound) Oh well, happens. And much, much better than I could ever have done.
Good thing I read the comments, I almost bought the wrong $40 battery! Actually I'm not racing or very rich so maybe I don't need the "r-line" price point...
I was really caught off guard by this video. I learned something today, but no one informed me in advance that I was going to learn something today. I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to go about coping with this.
You've legitimately thought of everything. Every question (literally every single one, even the most random ones) I've had since I started my fpv journey has been answered by your channel. THANK YOU!!
Ok Joshua.... hands down you are tha man with this testing. EnvyAstro and myself SedHendo love what you do and how you do it. We do a very crude test of new batteries. To try to come up with some real world testing for what we consider a good battery. Most of the time it shows that the good ones are good. But like your testing it does not show longevity. S soon as you can figure out a way to make that happen that would be greatly appreciated. Because at the end of the day we are paying our hard-earned money for these batteries.
It's cool getting this type of scientific testing done, but your and EnvyAstro's torture tests are great too. Super entertaining while still letting us see how a pack performs under extremely strenuous circumstances. There's nothing better than seeing a quad rip full throttle until the battery absolutely gives up and the quad drops. haha
Also test the CNHL 120C 1600mah pack. Those are by far my favorite CNHL batteries. I've had good results with these 1500/1300mah packs, but much better results with the 1600mah packs.
THUMBS UP Everyone!!! Well, unless you have the time and equipment (and intestinal fortitude) to run rigorous test, after test, and come up with better results that is. I for one REALLY APPRECIATE all you have done from the nerve center of drone testing, somewhere in the backwoods of (where is it?... Kentucky???) wherever; Joshua you do us all a great service, Thank you! :)
“You’re killin me smalls” dropping a teaser like that at the end of this video... lol, awesome presentation of extremely useful data as always JB. I’ve been exclusively running CNHL 4s & 5s packs for 6 months now as my practice batteries. I’ve beet the crap out of them but I have only killed 1 out of the 18 I’ve purchased
Awesome!!!! One of the best technical comparison tests ever in fpv world history ! Please test more brands please ! Turnigy, Dinogy , Lumenier, Pulse etc. Congrats!!
I'm surprised that CNHL put this video on their homepage even with the amount of negativity towards the size and so on. I just got the CNHL 650Mah 70C for the BabyHawk-R and I am excited to try these out soon. :) Nice work JB!
I want to let you know I appreciate you doing all the stuff you put out, I have recently invested in these type of batteries both the 1300 and a 1500 and let me tell you I have not been disappointed. I've been running them now for months and they're still holding up. I can't personally say that about some of the other batteries I've used over the years.
WOW! everyone was saying that 1300's were really 1500's and 1500's were really 1800's... I am soooooo glad you did these packs. Still a great pack from what I can tell.
May mention that “Thunderpower” is based out of the USA. So that’s in your bowl of Wheaties too.... Great information Joshua ! A Gentleman and a Scholar.
Running the China hobby line batteries in toilet tank configuration helps with the bulky size , I have since moved all of my builds over to that battery orientation and can fit a larger variety of packs.
I'm really happy to see the results on this testing. These are my current favorite batteries and I'm glad that my decision to use them was justifiable. I can't wait for the MaxAmps video. I know they are really expensive, but they're supposed to have a lifetime warranty so you should only need to buy them once. Let's see how they rate.
I am a freestyler, price is the factor for me and because I destroy batteries sometimes in crashes I run the CNHL 1300. They work great for me and I seem to get more battery cycles out of the CNHL then the Tattu 1300's. I have yet to puff a CNHL but puffed plenty of Tattu's.
Puffed a few cnhl batts... Tattus never puffed much. Actually wore out them before they puffed. I wouldnt put one over the other... the cnhl are huge though. annoying
Thanks for these results. Cnhl will be pleased and I think tbh these results are important because when I think back to when I started, getting a decent fleet of batteries was hard to swallow. Now there will be educated exposure on what's obviously a great practice or casual pack with very little downside especially if your rig fits the pack easily.
I really love how informative your videos are. I use them quite alot and if I don't use a product I still find myself watching anyway lol. Thanks Joshua Bardwell keep up the awesome work you do 👍😎🤘
Did we learn something today? Just pulling your chain Mr Bardwell. I absolutely did and for that, I am grateful. I'll continue using these CNHL batts. Can't beat that price. By the way, where could a guy get a Bardwell face sticker? Saw some in one of those drone drop deals. Great informative video man.
Could u do the Pulse and Acehe battery testing as well please? and add the comparison results also to the full list ? Thanks for the great info videos.
The CNHLs (at least mine), actually have protective shells on the outer cells that would add some weight. They're definitely bigger otherwise too, but I didn't realize they were "armored" like the black label batteries , until I popped it open to remove a bad cell.
You got one thing wrong: After discharging to 14V at 50A, there is still energy left in the battery. The energy is not all wasted to heat. On the graph you can see a rebounce to (at least) 15.5V after current cutoff. So you could still get out plenty remaining energy.... just not with 50A without damaging the battery.
Thanks for doing the battery testing. This year’s racing season is starting and we all need to buy our racing batteries. So what every you can do to get a few more test out would be appreciated. Test the most common batteries first like infinity. Thanks
I have been flying these batteries (1300 ones) for a few months now. Yesterday one of them caught on fire!!!! It was a first for me.... They are a bit heavy, and they sag bad at the very end. But they can take the abuse, perform well, and are priced right. I always thought my CNHL 1300 were actually 1500 mAh, due to their size and the fact that I get longer flight times with them compared to my Infinity Graphene 1300 mAh (90C), despite weighing 20g more.
I just got these. A little underwhelmed at the power of them, and the bump up in size is worth considering. They are fairly consistent during flight, but I don't get raw power like I do my "Mad Dog" 80C graphenes, and my run-time isn't all that great, the cables are too thick IMHO and are pointless and just add weight. I managed to launch one in a crash and I can comment they are very tough. Better than the infinity for me, those take forever to recover from a sag, and when they are done, they flat-line faster than any pack i've ever seen from 14.8 to 10V within 5 seconds gently flying back- so the second you feel a serious sag, you better land NOW! I actually have some no-name sleeper packs that are light and offer some reliable performance and only cost $15, they also have fiberglass reinforcements.
Great work JB. You should try EnvyAstro's puff-test method !! Spank them until they puff !! I am hoping you are going to test Turnigy Graphene 65C (1300=$16(sale)), Dinogy Mega Graphene 2.0 75C (1350=$30) and AHTech Infinity Graphene 70C (1300=$21). These are all superb performing batteries. I have over 100 cycles with each and still going as good as new...
Your right about the size issue. Kabab designs his frames to accommodate the bigger size chnl. My AstroX silky has a tougher time fitting the battery. Note worthy is that bottom mount this is a non issue. Great review I bought a set of CHNL and have been very very happy with them. Exception being the slight oversize. Excellent vid JB
thanks for doing this test. I love CNHL. the packs I have from them are holding up well over a long period of time and have been great value for money. Please do the indestructible quads black label. they have also been great packs for me I'd be interested to see what you find.
I have about 8 of the CNHL batteries 1000mah and 850mah, and I love them, specially for the price. True about the size on the top mounted batteries but like you said... no GoPro. No problem.
Awwww IrfanView 👍EDIT: Josh, great comparison, really appreciate your tests! Is 10h per battery a realistic amount of time it took you to do the testing, graphs and docs? Small suggestion: next time you show those 4 PDFs in one screen, minimize this right slider "edit PDF and so on" Thank you for all the effort you put into this channel!
Awesome video first of all, JB! You're really going the extra mile to get objective data about these batteries. Loving it! Currently, and I know this has very little to do with these specific batteries, I have Geonang 2S 450mAh and CNHL 2S 450mAh batteries. Very similar results just from what I can tell - the GNBs are a bit lighter, but they both seem to provide the same performance to each other in terms of flight times, power, etc. However, durability and longevity? Hands down CNHL wins. I bought six GNBs about a month before I bought 12 CNHLs. It's been about 4 months with the GNBs, and 3 months with the CNHL, but I've been cycling the CNHLs more than the GNBs during this time. Out of the six GNBs, two have puffed, forcing me to decommission them. On top of that, the middle balance wire ripped on two of them as I took them off my charger, despite pulling them off by grabbing the balance connector itself, not the wires or battery. I ended up after fixing those two reinforcing the balance wires at the battery side with a glob of hot glue to go between each wire. The CNHL? No problems with the balance wires, not a single puffed battery out of the twelve. Price difference? Rediculously in CNHL's favor. CNHL's normal price is $6/each, and I got a 10% off coupon. GNBs are $8-9 dollars, and I've seen coupons from time to time for 10-15% off, but it doesn't matter. CNHL's for my ET100 are far better values. They're better batteries than the highly rated GNBs due to sheer durability and longevity, and they're 33-50% less expensive, too. So, my 5" I'm building? I got 9x of the above 1500mAh CNHL batteries. Combo deal and with coupon I spent like $175 shipped, AND when they arrived, they threw in a free LiPo charging bag! I'm loving CNHL to be honest.
Just what I was looking for. I'll be picking up some CNHL Ministar 4s 1300mah 120c. I see them on China Hobby's web site for $17.49....works for me! :)
This is excellent, pertinent, consumer informative content joshua, thanks man. Verdict, if you're new or just not the most extreme pilot who needs every gram whatever the cost. CNHL is worth it.
Hey Joshua, loves your video. Can you make a flight video comparing old blheli, blheli_s and blheli32 on a fairly similar quad to show how tech changes the flight characteristic.
Any way to see what batteries are on the roster? That'd be good to know so we can hold off on buying new packs if you're testing that pack soon. Thanks!
@@JoshuaBardwell my bad, sir. "Rated" Amps. I had a feeling i was missing something. Thanks for all your content. I just finally got my first fpv order in for all the parts.. OMG what have i done!!!
@@JoshuaBardwell thought about this a bit more. Since Ah capacity is part of the formula we have to consider this when comparing 1300mAh vs 1500mAh. Isn't the C rating or your own measurement of a C rating a better indicator when comparing batteries of different capacities?
I would like to propose that you resist saying that a manufacturer over or under rates unless the results are consistently off by at least 5%. Values of less than 5% are probably more an indication of quality control. I've worked on designs targeting 5% or less for consumer equipment (scientific and measurement equipment you can charge more). While 5% may not be the correct number for you, like your explanation of C ratings and how you choose to do your tests please pick a point and stick to it.
This fits quite well with my observations. The cnhl batteries are bigger. But that's the trade-off for the higher c rating and low price. They have been Much more reliable than the lumenier, and tattu batteries I have. I've been flying 8 cnhl batteries for several months now, and haven't had a single one puff. I have had one of them die prematurely, but one out of 8 is far better statistics than any of my other packs.
I would like to see some results on the Pulse batteries or the Glacier packs. both tend to be a mid to high range on cost, just interested in how they stack up.
My guess: While the internal resistance affects the performance, here the performance is measured directly, which kinda makes the internal resistance number moot. And it would make people try to compare it with their own measurements, which doesn't make sense: It's measured in SO many different ways (during charge, while loaded, at different loads, at different charge levels, at different lengths of time). With such big differences, you can only really compare your own measurements, and only if they are done REALLY consistent. You CAN derive a number from the charts if it is really important by using the voltage drop at a specific point between loads currents that all batteries share, if you really want... But it doesn't really make sense.
I have not found any method that can produce a consistent internal resistance measurement that correlates to actual battery performance. So I just test the actual performance. If the battery can discharge 70 amps or whatever without sag, what does it matter what the IR meter says?
Great video! I always liked these batteries. Now they are gonna sell out quick after everybody sees this! Hope they dont start to jack up the prices. They've done it before.
Are you going to be testing 5s and 6s packs? I think it would be interesting to see how the perceived performance advantages reflect in a controlled test environment.
@Joshua; I have 'a couple' CNHL 1300 packs, and with my last order (arriving 2 weeks ago) I noticed that they had become smaller. The general construction was updated a bit. Since the size of the 1500 do make -rightfully so- an important part of your review, I'm wondering: which version do you have? They won't be as small as the others, but it might make just that little bit of difference?
Another amazing video! These are definitely helping me figure out which batteries I do want to try for this season. Is there/will there be a website where we can compare all your research instead of downloading the PDF for each battery?
I know you're a busy man but I also know that a lot of us don't need the highest c-rated batteries. When you're done with the top end could you test some lower c-rated batteries? For freestyle or long range or just plain cruising.
Josh will you be taking the battery apart to see if the weight is in fact coming from the cells or from the metal plates used to protect and prevent puffing?
Excellent! Thank You! Now the most interesting question what all this bateries will be after for example 10 such tests... Also it will be really awesome to understand how really seriously degrade performance if battery stored always fully charged. Because it's really a pain to plan charge batteries beforehand before the fly. Especially when this is not a full time job and you only have moments to fly here and there ocasinaly, and then the batteries always half charged...
Great video, wouldn't expect anything less of you!! You rock. Can I make one suggestion? Maybe another feature of a lipo is the 'build quality'. I know some lipo's have aluminium plates to protect the cells. Some come with a balance lead protector, some don't. It would be nice if you could include something about that after you are done torturing it ;-) Kind regards from The Netherlands
Brajopie as having taken apart my CNHL I can say that there are stiff fiberglass plates protecting the cells. I prefer this over aluminum since these will not bend. These batteries also come with balance lead protectors.
RocketPunchArmy sounds really good! It also tells the manufacturer is serious in trying to improve the longevity of the product. In my opinion, this is a feature which would be nice to include in this rigorous testing. As stated in the video, Joshua might add some other parameters as puffing and internal resistance at a later stage. I know testing stuff to the point you can properly trust the results takes way longer than most think. Joshua is a true scientist for that and is entitled FPV Know It All for a good reason (even though he might have made that name up himself, he totally deserves that title)
Off topic sort of, but could you test whether it really matters if you charge at 1C like we all know we should, or if 2C or more is actually ok considering we drain them at 60C up, and I would think that would be far more damaging. I love your videos, thanks for all the useful information over the 6 months that I have been watching.
Love these. Now, Acehe test, go! :)
BTW, a few times where you seemed to confuse yourself in the video: First, you stated that the Thunderpower was less energy dense than the R-Line, which was not true: Thunderpower is 8.53 mAh/g, R-Line is 8.11 mAh/g and the CNHL is 7.63 mAh/g.
Second, there were no error in the CNHL report, you just read the wrong number :) (you seemed to remember again at the end, so the video's conclusion was sound)
Oh well, happens. And much, much better than I could ever have done.
Ummm. Damn you're right about that. Let me pin this comment.
Cue "Joshua from the Future" cameo in 3... 2.. =)
Good thing I read the comments, I almost bought the wrong $40 battery!
Actually I'm not racing or very rich so maybe I don't need the "r-line" price point...
So which one is the most energy dense? And which one is the best price for the most energy!?
Thanks 😎
Yeah, when CNHL had the 50% off sale - it's hard not to like a stack of 4 batteries instead of just one.
I was really caught off guard by this video. I learned something today, but no one informed me in advance that I was going to learn something today. I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to go about coping with this.
:D
Lol 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
TheDroningPreacher lol, well said
yeah it confused me so much :D
You've legitimately thought of everything. Every question (literally every single one, even the most random ones) I've had since I started my fpv journey has been answered by your channel. THANK YOU!!
Ok Joshua.... hands down you are tha man with this testing. EnvyAstro and myself SedHendo love what you do and how you do it. We do a very crude test of new batteries. To try to come up with some real world testing for what we consider a good battery. Most of the time it shows that the good ones are good. But like your testing it does not show longevity. S soon as you can figure out a way to make that happen that would be greatly appreciated. Because at the end of the day we are paying our hard-earned money for these batteries.
Sed Hendo I like your guys testing aswell. In field testing very important, along with pushing the batteries to there limit.
😂 in field testing: “Let’s test how they handle max Amp load...” #ToTheMoon!
Love your guys’ torture tests Sed Hendo!!! AceHe is all I fly now because if your guys’ awesome videos!
It's cool getting this type of scientific testing done, but your and EnvyAstro's torture tests are great too. Super entertaining while still letting us see how a pack performs under extremely strenuous circumstances. There's nothing better than seeing a quad rip full throttle until the battery absolutely gives up and the quad drops. haha
-Sed Hendo- = BabyDaddy, there fixed
This reminds me of what battery mooch is doing for the vaping community with 18650's
Thanks for doing this
I think you did some mistake when comparing the energy density. The thunderpower is denser than both the others.
Do the math. mAh divided by weight.
12:36 8,5mah/g is more dense than 8,11mah/g
Confirmed. You got the energy density wrong... by "objective measure".
Oh damn you're right. I flipped it in my mind to g / mAh and thought larger was worse. Thanks for the correction.
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Also test the CNHL 120C 1600mah pack. Those are by far my favorite CNHL batteries. I've had good results with these 1500/1300mah packs, but much better results with the 1600mah packs.
completely agree
Thank you Joshua for taking the results from the other testing and carrying it over to this one. Much appreciated
THUMBS UP Everyone!!! Well, unless you have the time and equipment (and intestinal fortitude) to run rigorous test, after test, and come up with better results that is. I for one REALLY APPRECIATE all you have done from the nerve center of drone testing, somewhere in the backwoods of (where is it?... Kentucky???) wherever; Joshua you do us all a great service, Thank you! :)
I am liking the new data analysis sheet, very professional. Seems like this is your full time job ; )
Really great job on these battery comparisons. We appreciate all of your efforts. Keep up the great work.
Please if you get a chance . Test the Black Label batteries from indestructible quads ..
They are great batteries at a budget price
I have a few of these and i think they use the same sells that cnhl use because they both are a little heavier and perform equally great.
“You’re killin me smalls” dropping a teaser like that at the end of this video... lol, awesome presentation of extremely useful data as always JB. I’ve been exclusively running CNHL 4s & 5s packs for 6 months now as my practice batteries. I’ve beet the crap out of them but I have only killed 1 out of the 18 I’ve purchased
Awesome!!!! One of the best technical comparison tests ever in fpv world history ! Please test more brands please ! Turnigy, Dinogy , Lumenier, Pulse etc.
Congrats!!
I'm surprised that CNHL put this video on their homepage even with the amount of negativity towards the size and so on. I just got the CNHL 650Mah 70C for the BabyHawk-R and I am excited to try these out soon. :) Nice work JB!
18.52 "I've been Joshua Bardwell" and hopefully you still are Joshua Bardwell. Great review!
I want to let you know I appreciate you doing all the stuff you put out, I have recently invested in these type of batteries both the 1300 and a 1500 and let me tell you I have not been disappointed. I've been running them now for months and they're still holding up. I can't personally say that about some of the other batteries I've used over the years.
WOW! everyone was saying that 1300's were really 1500's and 1500's were really 1800's... I am soooooo glad you did these packs. Still a great pack from what I can tell.
May mention that “Thunderpower” is based out of the USA. So that’s in your bowl of Wheaties too....
Great information Joshua !
A Gentleman and a Scholar.
Running the China hobby line batteries in toilet tank configuration helps with the bulky size , I have since moved all of my builds over to that battery orientation and can fit a larger variety of packs.
How about the new CNHL ministar 120c seem to be more compact.
Hey JB. Is there any progress on the "racing simulation" battery test?
I'm really happy to see the results on this testing. These are my current favorite batteries and I'm glad that my decision to use them was justifiable. I can't wait for the MaxAmps video. I know they are really expensive, but they're supposed to have a lifetime warranty so you should only need to buy them once. Let's see how they rate.
Test the chinahobbyline 100c vs the 70c
ABSOLUTELY!!
yes yes please!
I am a freestyler, price is the factor for me and because I destroy batteries sometimes in crashes I run the CNHL 1300. They work great for me and I seem to get more battery cycles out of the CNHL then the Tattu 1300's. I have yet to puff a CNHL but puffed plenty of Tattu's.
Digital Mojo FPV exactly my eXperience as well
Same. Occasionally a cell will drop out but none have ever puffed
Puffed a few cnhl batts... Tattus never puffed much. Actually wore out them before they puffed. I wouldnt put one over the other... the cnhl are huge though. annoying
interesting... but if 1500 and 1300 (cnhl 100c) are with the same price, would you take the 1500 ?
@stephentherarabear Batteries will swell or 'puff' if you try to draw more juice than they are capable of.
Thanks JB. I am just going to purchase my summer packs so really do not want to buy any bad batteries.
Thanks for these results. Cnhl will be pleased and I think tbh these results are important because when I think back to when I started, getting a decent fleet of batteries was hard to swallow. Now there will be educated exposure on what's obviously a great practice or casual pack with very little downside especially if your rig fits the pack easily.
Joshua, May I suggest you present the data into a spreadsheet with charts so we can get visual comparisons and concrete calculations :).
Right now I have only tested four packs so I don't think there is much value in a spreadsheet but eventually I will.
I really love how informative your videos are. I use them quite alot and if I don't use a product I still find myself watching anyway lol. Thanks Joshua Bardwell keep up the awesome work you do 👍😎🤘
Did we learn something today? Just pulling your chain Mr Bardwell. I absolutely did and for that, I am grateful. I'll continue using these CNHL batts. Can't beat that price. By the way, where could a guy get a Bardwell face sticker? Saw some in one of those drone drop deals. Great informative video man.
I feel like this was a super anticipated review! Thank you so much!!!
Yes im very curious about your take on the Acehe.
Could u do the Pulse and Acehe battery testing as well please? and add the comparison results also to the full list ?
Thanks for the great info videos.
The CNHLs (at least mine), actually have protective shells on the outer cells that would add some weight. They're definitely bigger otherwise too, but I didn't realize they were "armored" like the black label batteries , until I popped it open to remove a bad cell.
Great test! Good to see, since I just ordered a few. Through the ultimate shopping list, naturally.
that's why i love the chnl batteries, they're cheap and cheerful and perform very well compared to others
This is great news. I hope you have CHNL Ministar in your list of batteries to test in the future.
You got one thing wrong: After discharging to 14V at 50A, there is still energy left in the battery. The energy is not all wasted to heat. On the graph you can see a rebounce to (at least) 15.5V after current cutoff. So you could still get out plenty remaining energy.... just not with 50A without damaging the battery.
Thanks a lot Joshua. Those were very interesting results. Looking forward to the Maxx batteries, you seemed excited.
I would be really interested in seeing a test of the Acehe 75C.
Thanks for doing the battery testing. This year’s racing season is starting and we all need to buy our racing batteries. So what every you can do to get a few more test out would be appreciated. Test the most common batteries first like infinity. Thanks
I have been flying these batteries (1300 ones) for a few months now. Yesterday one of them caught on fire!!!! It was a first for me.... They are a bit heavy, and they sag bad at the very end. But they can take the abuse, perform well, and are priced right. I always thought my CNHL 1300 were actually 1500 mAh, due to their size and the fact that I get longer flight times with them compared to my Infinity Graphene 1300 mAh (90C), despite weighing 20g more.
I just got these. A little underwhelmed at the power of them, and the bump up in size is worth considering. They are fairly consistent during flight, but I don't get raw power like I do my "Mad Dog" 80C graphenes, and my run-time isn't all that great, the cables are too thick IMHO and are pointless and just add weight.
I managed to launch one in a crash and I can comment they are very tough.
Better than the infinity for me, those take forever to recover from a sag, and when they are done, they flat-line faster than any pack i've ever seen from 14.8 to 10V within 5 seconds gently flying back- so the second you feel a serious sag, you better land NOW!
I actually have some no-name sleeper packs that are light and offer some reliable performance and only cost $15, they also have fiberglass reinforcements.
good good. testing is good Joshua. please continue
That would be a bummer if there were no more sessions but maybe we could get the runcam 3 back.
Great work JB. You should try EnvyAstro's puff-test method !! Spank them until they puff !! I am hoping you are going to test Turnigy Graphene 65C (1300=$16(sale)), Dinogy Mega Graphene 2.0 75C (1350=$30) and AHTech Infinity Graphene 70C (1300=$21). These are all superb performing batteries. I have over 100 cycles with each and still going as good as new...
Your right about the size issue. Kabab designs his frames to accommodate the bigger size chnl. My AstroX silky has a tougher time fitting the battery. Note worthy is that bottom mount this is a non issue. Great review I bought a set of CHNL and have been very very happy with them. Exception being the slight oversize. Excellent vid JB
U don´t need to put it trough torture test. Envy Astro allready did a perfect job with that
Battery length is a very good point, I sheared my antenna in a crash because it was longer- last CNHL i'm buying.
thanks for doing this test. I love CNHL. the packs I have from them are holding up well over a long period of time and have been great value for money. Please do the indestructible quads black label. they have also been great packs for me I'd be interested to see what you find.
Please do a test for Dinogy Ultra graphene batteries!
Nice video. I've been wanting to see some testing on these!
I have about 8 of the CNHL batteries 1000mah and 850mah, and I love them, specially for the price. True about the size on the top mounted batteries but like you said... no GoPro. No problem.
Your battery testing videos are awesome!
Awwww IrfanView 👍EDIT: Josh, great comparison, really appreciate your tests! Is 10h per battery a realistic amount of time it took you to do the testing, graphs and docs? Small suggestion: next time you show those 4 PDFs in one screen, minimize this right slider "edit PDF and so on" Thank you for all the effort you put into this channel!
Awesome video first of all, JB! You're really going the extra mile to get objective data about these batteries. Loving it! Currently, and I know this has very little to do with these specific batteries, I have Geonang 2S 450mAh and CNHL 2S 450mAh batteries. Very similar results just from what I can tell - the GNBs are a bit lighter, but they both seem to provide the same performance to each other in terms of flight times, power, etc. However, durability and longevity? Hands down CNHL wins. I bought six GNBs about a month before I bought 12 CNHLs. It's been about 4 months with the GNBs, and 3 months with the CNHL, but I've been cycling the CNHLs more than the GNBs during this time. Out of the six GNBs, two have puffed, forcing me to decommission them. On top of that, the middle balance wire ripped on two of them as I took them off my charger, despite pulling them off by grabbing the balance connector itself, not the wires or battery. I ended up after fixing those two reinforcing the balance wires at the battery side with a glob of hot glue to go between each wire. The CNHL? No problems with the balance wires, not a single puffed battery out of the twelve. Price difference? Rediculously in CNHL's favor. CNHL's normal price is $6/each, and I got a 10% off coupon. GNBs are $8-9 dollars, and I've seen coupons from time to time for 10-15% off, but it doesn't matter. CNHL's for my ET100 are far better values. They're better batteries than the highly rated GNBs due to sheer durability and longevity, and they're 33-50% less expensive, too. So, my 5" I'm building? I got 9x of the above 1500mAh CNHL batteries. Combo deal and with coupon I spent like $175 shipped, AND when they arrived, they threw in a free LiPo charging bag! I'm loving CNHL to be honest.
Please test the indestructible quads black lable batteries. They are around the same price as the CNHL packs
Just what I was looking for. I'll be picking up some CNHL Ministar 4s 1300mah 120c. I see them on China Hobby's web site for $17.49....works for me! :)
This is excellent, pertinent, consumer informative content joshua, thanks man.
Verdict, if you're new or just not the most extreme pilot who needs every gram whatever the cost. CNHL is worth it.
Found myself dozing off because I couldn't read any of the charts/sheets while watching on my phone.
Very Good test Results and i own 6 1300 cnhl batteries and i love them plenty of cycles and they handle the torute test by envy astro very well.
JB you rock! Keep up the great work!
Awesome tests, Joshua! Really nice! 😊
TP has some really good sales once in a while. I’ve never paid more than $22 for 1300 or 1600.
Hey Joshua, loves your video. Can you make a flight video comparing old blheli, blheli_s and blheli32 on a fairly similar quad to show how tech changes the flight characteristic.
Any way to see what batteries are on the roster? That'd be good to know so we can hold off on buying new packs if you're testing that pack soon. Thanks!
I fly mainly CNHL's but have a few Tattu also. I can definitely feel the difference, but the difference is not worth twice the cost to me.
I love these batteries never had a single issue with them and the price is right. Nice setup you have there. What mic is that?
amps on batteries which arent exactly 1000mAh won't match C rating.. C rating is amount of battery capacity times the C multiplier, right?
Rated amps = C rating * Ah capacity.
@@JoshuaBardwell my bad, sir. "Rated" Amps. I had a feeling i was missing something. Thanks for all your content. I just finally got my first fpv order in for all the parts.. OMG what have i done!!!
@@JoshuaBardwell thought about this a bit more. Since Ah capacity is part of the formula we have to consider this when comparing 1300mAh vs 1500mAh. Isn't the C rating or your own measurement of a C rating a better indicator when comparing batteries of different capacities?
Thanks for the tests dude... and u r totaly right with that gopro comment😁
I would like to propose that you resist saying that a manufacturer over or under rates unless the results are consistently off by at least 5%. Values of less than 5% are probably more an indication of quality control. I've worked on designs targeting 5% or less for consumer equipment (scientific and measurement equipment you can charge more). While 5% may not be the correct number for you, like your explanation of C ratings and how you choose to do your tests please pick a point and stick to it.
This fits quite well with my observations. The cnhl batteries are bigger. But that's the trade-off for the higher c rating and low price. They have been Much more reliable than the lumenier, and tattu batteries I have. I've been flying 8 cnhl batteries for several months now, and haven't had a single one puff. I have had one of them die prematurely, but one out of 8 is far better statistics than any of my other packs.
Thank you. I was about to purchase some of these but am going to hold off because they will be too big for me.
Looked at the Charger's that you have tested! Love the list! Should make a test on the EV-Peak CQ2 and CQ3.!
ace he test please
Fantastic testing. Thank you for doing these videos!
As much as i didn't agree to you spending all that money on a battery charger, I was wrong . Nice vid Josh
I would like to see some results on the Pulse batteries or the Glacier packs. both tend to be a mid to high range on cost, just interested in how they stack up.
Why did you not include the internal resistance of each cell and comparison from each battery? It’s so important to see.
My guess: While the internal resistance affects the performance, here the performance is measured directly, which kinda makes the internal resistance number moot.
And it would make people try to compare it with their own measurements, which doesn't make sense: It's measured in SO many different ways (during charge, while loaded, at different loads, at different charge levels, at different lengths of time). With such big differences, you can only really compare your own measurements, and only if they are done REALLY consistent.
You CAN derive a number from the charts if it is really important by using the voltage drop at a specific point between loads currents that all batteries share, if you really want... But it doesn't really make sense.
I have not found any method that can produce a consistent internal resistance measurement that correlates to actual battery performance. So I just test the actual performance. If the battery can discharge 70 amps or whatever without sag, what does it matter what the IR meter says?
Joshua Bardwell isn't the ir an indicator of battery health good to have benchmarks on?
Do you plan on doing any Venom batteries? The ones that Stingy uses.
Love the science ! Great videos and channel!
I run the 1500’s for freestyle and love them. Might get a few 1300’s for my floss
This is really good, man. Top notch!
Great video! I always liked these batteries. Now they are gonna sell out quick after everybody sees this! Hope they dont start to jack up the prices. They've done it before.
Are you going to be testing 5s and 6s packs? I think it would be interesting to see how the perceived performance advantages reflect in a controlled test environment.
Yes.
@Joshua; I have 'a couple' CNHL 1300 packs, and with my last order (arriving 2 weeks ago) I noticed that they had become smaller. The general construction was updated a bit. Since the size of the 1500 do make -rightfully so- an important part of your review, I'm wondering: which version do you have?
They won't be as small as the others, but it might make just that little bit of difference?
Another amazing video! These are definitely helping me figure out which batteries I do want to try for this season. Is there/will there be a website where we can compare all your research instead of downloading the PDF for each battery?
I know you're a busy man but I also know that a lot of us don't need the highest c-rated batteries. When you're done with the top end could you test some lower c-rated batteries? For freestyle or long range or just plain cruising.
Josh will you be taking the battery apart to see if the weight is in fact coming from the cells or from the metal plates used to protect and prevent puffing?
Continuous discharge rating, in my own, personal, opinion should be the C rating by which we get 100% of the battery's `nameplate` capacity.
Cant wait for cycles testing.. I can say 100 % of my CNHL lipos far exceed my other high end bats..
i would love to see a rebel battery tested they clam 50c or a 5 llamas discharge rating
Excellent! Thank You!
Now the most interesting question what all this bateries will be after for example 10 such tests...
Also it will be really awesome to understand how really seriously degrade performance if battery stored always fully charged. Because it's really a pain to plan charge batteries beforehand before the fly. Especially when this is not a full time job and you only have moments to fly here and there ocasinaly, and then the batteries always half charged...
Love CNHL 4s packs! Never had one puff on me, got 18 of them from RDQ. But 4 of 6 of the R-line i have 1300 and 1550 did?
Great video, wouldn't expect anything less of you!! You rock.
Can I make one suggestion? Maybe another feature of a lipo is the 'build quality'. I know some lipo's have aluminium plates to protect the cells. Some come with a balance lead protector, some don't. It would be nice if you could include something about that after you are done torturing it ;-)
Kind regards from The Netherlands
Brajopie as having taken apart my CNHL I can say that there are stiff fiberglass plates protecting the cells. I prefer this over aluminum since these will not bend. These batteries also come with balance lead protectors.
RocketPunchArmy sounds really good! It also tells the manufacturer is serious in trying to improve the longevity of the product. In my opinion, this is a feature which would be nice to include in this rigorous testing.
As stated in the video, Joshua might add some other parameters as puffing and internal resistance at a later stage.
I know testing stuff to the point you can properly trust the results takes way longer than most think. Joshua is a true scientist for that and is entitled FPV Know It All for a good reason (even though he might have made that name up himself, he totally deserves that title)
Love these test!!! When are infinity and gaoneng on?
I like your battery datasheets!
Off topic sort of, but could you test whether it really matters if you charge at 1C like we all know we should, or if 2C or more is actually ok considering we drain them at 60C up, and I would think that would be far more damaging. I love your videos, thanks for all the useful information over the 6 months that I have been watching.
The Gopro session series has been discontinued, maybe Runcam can bring back the 3 to fill the void.
Great video... that will be nice to see budget battery like BG Infinity 70c, 80c force RS and 90c race spec 1300 and 1500...
Thank you for these tests!