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Astra Militarum Unit Tier List in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition - Best Imperial Guard Units?
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Let's talk through the units available to the Imperial Guard in 10th edition and how they're faring in the current game!
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0:00 Intro
0:54 Strongest Guard Units?
2:18 Tier 4
6:39 Tier 3
15:30 Tier 2
31:22 Tier 1
44:45 Lord Solar Tier
45:58 Outro
Hi martyn! (I know my mate martin will be watching this)
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Awesome video! I agree with a lot of what you say here, although I respectfully disagree with a few points :)
Would love to sit down and chat some 40k with you some time, maybe record it for an episode? Let me know what you think!
I think this has potential :D
Need another Auspex MG colab video!
I would love something like a Mordian-Auspex podcast
I agree that most was correct, but Rogal Dorns and Tank Commanders are both trash in 10th.
@@lordcastellan4735 disagree almost completely, although TCs are overcosted and should get their weapons ability
All you need to know about the state of the Guard is that "Effective Guard Units?" has a question mark at the end of it.
I reckon all weapons in a field ordnance battery getting hit by the artillery nerf betrays how clunky the points system is, unfortunately.
Yeah, this neo-power level they pulled from AoS is aids.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 yep. GW got mad that nobody liked power level then just decided to force power level on everyone anyway while adamantly denying thats its power level when everyone knows its really power level.
That and being unable to take squads of just lasguns.
If they really want to stick to power level, they need to make all bad choices stronger so all options remain competitive.
Honestly, I think it would be fine if they had a few more split datasheets. Things like Sniper Scouts having their own datasheet should be more common.
Anyone else think Cadian Shock should have Born Soldiers baked in, or only get Born soldiers if they move? It would help incentivize pushing with infantry and make you use them as shock infantry
Absolutely!! They seem like the worst of the four options currently and I don't think it should be that clear cut.
@@LilyZayli Worse than Catachan? :P
@@MinscS2 Yes. They get scout 6 and a hefty melee bonus. Cadians, by comparison, get better special weapon options and an ability in Shock Troops which, in many cases, doesn't do anything. Flamers are still decent, but the Cadians are completely outclassed by Infantry Platoons and Death Korps of Krieg, so I'd say atleast Catachan have a niche.
That seems pretty silly as you can always just move without going anywhere.
No. Born Soldiers being a detachment means that ability would be useless in the other detachments when the codex comes out. I get that the cadians have a weird rule (it'd be better as a rule for Armageddon Steel Legion), but tying them to one detachment ain't the answer.
The Deathstrike back to being near useless?
Why am I not surprised
Tragic, even if it has vague use as area denial. Depends on if your opponent fears it or not.
@@johnj.spurgin7037yeah, key point being if. If you spike the roll sure but it has a decent chance of not even killing a single terminator equivalent.
They saw I bought 2 and were like 'oh no can't have that'
I read the rule as 2d6 Within 6 inches of the center of marker and roll for each unit its gonna scare some rabbits but I find some uses especially when I target the center of the board and tell him to te.ot the target
Poor deathstrike, In all my memory it's been okay like once
Someone mentioned that Element Games Tournaments (I think?) allow Creed to use her ability on reinforcements since the unit “dies” but isn’t removed before it’s ability triggers, similar to how a model “dies” but stays on the field to check if deadly demise goes off”
Baneblade party bus has been quite a challenge to fight against. Loading it full of lascannons
Baneblade chassis has like... 2-3 variants with transport capacity? Which one?
That’s the one that is like $150 just for that one tank, right?!? How much bigger is it to other tanks? And you said it’s hard to take down. So in your opinion, do you think it’s worth the money so you can add it to your army?
@@ryankyle2467 its a lot bigger (8" long). I think one baneblade is probably worth it but I would magnetize it to swap out the variants. although i think the doomhammer is the best variant currently. because its cheap compared to other variants, its main gun does MASSIVE damage, and it has transport capacity for carrying heavy weapon teams with lascannons.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 doomhammer is the only good one with transport.
It’s a fun concept but you know what they say about putting all your eggs in one house sized basket. Also a big bummer that there’s a 95% chance firing deck doesn’t work on overwatch
For the 200 pts i think the valkyrie should be a 21 model transport. it's a very spacious interior. It would fill a niche for transports too.
or it just shouldnt be 200 points
That would be good. Dropping a 6 bullgryn squad right in the back sounds fun.
Valks have always been a 12 model transport. Would be weird if it suddenly changed.
Honestly the unit itself isn’t bad. It’s just the absolutely ridiculous price tag for what’s effectively a heavy weapons squad duct taped to a flying chimera that’s holding it back.
I’ve used them in some preliminary 10th edition games and they’re quite durable, and their mobility is very useful when it comes to hitting back line and far away objectives, especially with a cargo of scions or Kasrkin. But again, that point cost just hurts. 150 pts is more worth what they bring to the table.
So you just want a transport that can drag 20 flashlight wielding fleshlights into the the enemy's gibblies and then get no no dont touch me thered
@@kdhlkjhdlk Imagine trying to convince 6 Bullgryn to get in the damn thing first. . . let alone convincing them to jump out while it's still in the air . . . Emperor above I don't think you could.
never once wanted a astra militarum army but walkers are so damn cool
I find green being low tier and red high tier on the thumbnail / chart confusing, does anyone else find this?
I sort of see red as power and danger, but I'm too conditioned by traffic lights to think red means keep away and green is go. If seen from the opponent's view I suppose it makes sense. Attack the low tiers, stay away from the high tiers.
I was also confused by this. :)
Sentinel truly ascending into knight equivalent tier
They're vulnerable to spear armed mini bears
I've loved seeing your channel grow over the last year or two. All killer no filler.
None of guard artillery was causing issues that caused the nerf. That was eldar and space marines. And they're still a problem.
Aeldari sure, but I don't see the issue with Space Marines. Even before the nerf to desolators they didn't really have a high winrate.
@@liveac3694 That's very much a "whole army" vs single unit problem.
Manticores and basilisk honestly weren’t even that bad
manticore and basilisk were definitely too cheap. i think theyre the correct cost now. but field ordnance batteries need to go down to 90 points.
hows an earthshaker battery only 80 points and a manticore is 125 points but field ordnance batteries are 120 points? field ordnance batteries are horribly overcosted.
It's Earthshaker batteries being FW.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 usually FW models cost too many points though. Its unusual to see a FW model thats actually tier 1 and better than similar non-FW models.
FOBs should cost the same as the earthshaker battery.
A point reshuffle would be enough to fix it as well, Heavy Lascannons are a very nice damage profile outside of the Bombasts too.
@@NP-si8lt heavy lascannons dont really earn their points back though. they die too quickly. field ordnance batteries really shouldnt cost more than 90 points.
Honestly I’ve been trying to make guard work I love the demolishes but it’s 20pts more expensive than a custodes tank that is farrrrrrrrr better with an invul …. Dosnt make much sense
Stack buffs and delete one thing at a time
@@milomoran582 I understand but it’s just too point inefficient like I’m now playing eldar and my army can get stupid amounts of mortal wounds for 105 pts …
@@thunderwarrior2459 ah cmon that's not a fair comparison, eldar are completely broken
@@milomoran582 okay necron heavy destroyer …
makes perfect sense they want you to buy rogal dorns.
Personally I love Kasrkin and use them as one of the teeth units of my army. Admittedly a bit of an investment but a Kasrkin Squad with 2x HS Volley Guns, 2x Plasma Guns and an attached Castellan can put out a lot of MEQ mulching dakka for 170 points. Putting them in a Taurox is pricy at 235 but worth it with how the rules stack.
1.) Kasrkin have Scout 6" which can either apply to them or their dedicated transport, giving the Taurox a turn one movement potential of 18". Combine that with the Kasrkin's native 6" movement and you've got a potential for a 24" movement range with the Kasrkin, while the Taurox's Rapid Deployment lets the Kasrkin move and shoot as normal in the same turn they've disembarked, letting them put out a goodly amount of firepower as detailed below, especially if you can get the Kasrkin into cover or on a building. Depending on how small your map size is, the Taurox can then fire it's guns into an advancing enemy unit (the shooting isn't great but it's not terrible. Think of it as a bonus), then charge into the opponent's units to tie them up in close combat or be in a position to do that the next turn. Don't expect the Taurox to really survive but if you get lucky, you can use it to tie up an enemy ranged anti-armor or anti-infantry unit with poor melee in melee for awhile. Then finish it off with Deadly Demise D3.
2.) Unless I've misread the wording or misunderstand how the rules interact (very possible given how I generally only play casual narrative games with friends), Kasrkin's Warrior Elite ability allows them to chose in the command phase to just have an order that affects them natively, for free, for the duration of that turn. I personally always choose "Take Aim!" to make them go from a BS 3+ to a 2+. This stacks with the Cadian Castellan, who can then order them to use "FRFSRF", resulting in a massive output from the (using base profile here for each weapon so add 1 to Rapid Fire) Rapid Fire 1 HS Lasgun, Rapid Fire 2 HS Volley Gun (which is just a straight upgrade to the HS Lasgun), and Rapid Fire 1 Plasma Gun.
The Cadian Castellan grants the Kasrkin Sustained Hits 1 to make their shooting hurt all the more. Additionally, since getting the full use out of the above requires you to be within 12" (the Rapid Fire range for Plasma Guns and HS Lasguns, though that also lets your two Plasma Pistols contribute), you're likely to get charged if only to tie up the unit from shooting again. You'll have two power swords in the fight (one from the Sergeant and one from the Castellan) and then the Castellan grants you Get Back Into The Fight, which will allow the Kasrkin unit to fall back out of melee and then shoot again in that same turn.
3.) The HS Marksman Rifle is generally not worth it in this setup, as it requires you to give up yet another HS Lasgun which reduces your rapid fire output, plus it's only alright as a character hunter in my experience. It is however a very nice model and I've been using it to proxy a Vindicaire for my own amusement. Also for added giggles, mark the target with a Scout Sentinel beforehand to reroll hits of one while shooting with a BS 2+ unit (either natively with the Vindicaire or with the Kasrkin's Warrior Elite).
Definitely check with your fellow players to get a second opinion, as I am not a tournament player. It's a very "Death or Glory" strategy but it amuses me immensely. In a 1200 points list (narrative with RP expansion, though you could probably pull this off in a 1000 point list) I bring two and cackle maniacally. It's not points efficient but it's fun. Add two infantry squads for backline objectives and HWT support (I do missiles but I'm also doing a narrative theme for my army, also 65 points each), a pair of scout sentinels for marking targets with Daring Recon (50 points each, plus you may as well bring Lascannons), a Manticore for indirect fire that can ignore the indirect penalty as long as they shoot at units marked with Daring Recon (though be aware that the Manticore's Furious Barrage Ability, which lets you reroll hits on a unit of five models or more, does not stack with Daring Recon's ability to reroll ones to hit or a command point reroll), a Vindicaire and a tank commander (not super great, bring the Demolisher Cannon as you're inherently paying for it anyways, though an Exterminator Autocannon is not a bad second choice) to get an army that is a lot of fun to play and has about 55 points left over to play around with.
1) would be more useful if we could order units when disembarking.
@@Talonz501 That's fair! IIRC we did a house rule where that was allowed.
Only issue I see with them is the total lack of re-rolls except for scout sentinels whereas scions can get full re-rolls quite easily with a taurox prime and have access to deepstrike which opens up objective play that guard desperately lacks
also the fact that they can't receive orders while embarked and can't even use their warrior elite ability is a massive bummer since that means you have to be vulnerable to use them, and at the end of the day they are just guardsman with a bit more armor for a very expensive price
Kasrkin's order means they can be led by creed and have double FRSRF and Take aim.
I've had really good fun with Strakachan squads so far, have caught my opponents off guard many times so far. If you pair them with a transport, you can propel them into your opponents backline squishy support units by Turn 2 or 3, if you get the charges/consolidations off.
Nork can count to 4, and that's the tier he's in. Seems appropriate.
Most of my army is tier 3. 😅
The Ogryn Bodyguard is actually not bad if you're facing a lot of Precision in your meta as Guard commanders are super important.
I think rapier laser destroyers are tier 1, 30 pts for 2 twink linked lascannon shots is amazing. They also have attillery keyword so benefit a lot from the overlapped buffs and can be taken in squads of 3 to make good use of take aim
My favorite combo is stuffing a stormlord full of ogryns and heavy bolters for maximum dakka
A dakkeblade connoisseur. A man of high culture i see.
@@Stuffandstuff974 I see you are a boi of kultur as well
@@mikoajciemiega8018 YA ZOGGIN ROIT, YA GIT!
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I have found the Stormblade to become a strong pick in my lists for its potency in overwatch and its lowest points cost of all baneblade variants. The sustained hits on 4 twin linked heavy bolters is superb, the re-roll all hits on the main gun within 24" for some added reliability of landing a few 6's is also not to be underestimated. For 1 CP I have picked up 4 terminators in a game, withered plenty of infantry in others.
Hope they scale back Russ costs next points update, maybe cut costs on things like Valks. I think the AM index is alright, it's just being overshadowed by all the crazy broken stuff at the top right now.
we're overcosted AND underpowered. 4+ on everything with very little way to boost that on tanks especially hurts, we struggle to kill things with direct fire.
They could have a 20 point reduction each and still be only ok
@@jasongarfitt1147 perhaps but ill take it. that means another scout sentinel or room to play with other things
@@Talonz501 looks like they did
After points changes and the meta settling on heavy infantry and tanks I think this is relatively accurate. I would say TC and most Russ chassis are now quite good and the infantry is off though.
I think only the marshal and the castellan can even fit inside the chimera to use its ability, with its capacity and the requirements of platoon command squads and leader attachments.
I feel like all progress we have in 9th just got reverse back to 8th in 10th
They never should have let named characters into tournaments in 40k. It causes so many problems.
100%. Unfortunately I feel for us, competetively, this is by design now. So hard to compete without them (creed and solar).
I am happy that Kreig are good coz the models are epic
I would like to say that since chimeras have firing deck 2 currently. You could potentially use a heavy weapons squad to convert it into a knock off razorback. Could be funny if nothing else.
You’re missing the sauce that is the fliers both the voss pattern lightning and the avenger striker fighter are both pretty tanky for how much they cost and pack a punch (even more with the buffs from lord Solar and or the attaches) and they score engage on all fronts which if you’re doing fixed (which I think it’s the play for guard) it’s just really consistent with scions and the gaunts ghosts I’m personally running 3 of each and having some pretty good success with it
It seems that in most editions of 40k the forge world options are commonly over-costed.
I have always considered this a purposeful trend meant to discourage their use.
What do you think?
Is there EVER going to be an edition where Ogryn and Bullgyrn are good?!
8th
Jay from Eons of Battle in his latest video just said he loved your videos while talking about building a Black Templar list to go up against a “parking lot Guard list”. Could be a fun video to answer that question and show a good Black Templar list at different sized games against vehicle heavy guard
Hello definitely for sure fellow Astra Militarum friends. I am definitely not a Genestealers Cultist here to steal some new units.
On a serious note, there's something I've been wondering for this edition. Can a Guard vehicle with a transport capacity carry GSC infantry in it? Or can it strictly only still carry Guard models?
The executioner's special rule should be reversed. They're meant to be rare and expensive tanks whose crews are known for being foolhardy if not insane. Mopping up battered enemies is the infantry's job.
Who wrote the rules probably just read the name of the gun and made a rule based on that.
The Commissar doesn't autopass a battle shock test unfortunately, he removes battle shock at the beginning of any phase. Because of the timing of this he can't actually be used to quickly flip an objective. He can be used if you suddenly need to use a stratagem on a unit that is battle shocked though.
Surely if you remove battleshock at the start of the command phase you can flip objectives. They would have to test again though
@@jasongarfitt1147 it depends.
If you flip it during your opponents command phase to deny them an objective then that’s alright.
If you flip it at the start of your command phase then it’s a moot point as you do battle shock tests at the end right before scoring is done.
I've actually had some real success with servitors. Deep striking them in on the board edges and releasing a mass of Melta fire is super super powerful right now. Took down a full wounds wraith knight in one round of shooting from 2 different squads. They are super good and standout units, I think they should be up towards the top of 3rd tier / bottom of the 2nd tier. Thanks Auspex
Why ruin the death strike? Such a fun model. People loved playing against it, I got to use my vortex grenade marker…
Useless move to nerf it. Just like the Tau bomber nerf.
I absolutely love the Baneblades cover rule, but for whatever crazy reason I continue to simp for the Doomhammer.
Banesword. Take no alternative.
I’m also a Doomhammer fan…!
Thank you for this insightful video about the Imperial Guard!
Servitors with plasma cannons as a bodyguard to an enginseer attached to a blob of catachans with either Straken or a priest act as a pretty nasty screening unit - especially when charging or being charged with the order „fix bayonets.“
Despite maybe not being that competetive i like idea of malcador tank with 3 lascanons or 3 autocanons
I'm making my 1st 40k army with a malcador lmao
Once I've built it, I'll have 500 points with a field ordnance battery, 10 dkok and 1 commissar. But I feel like it's a bit tough to go with a malcador on a 500 points game, I've already planned a 1k points army with more infantry...matter of not having 1/2 of your army in 1 model lmao
I was gifted an Annihilator a while back, love bringing it to matches favorite tank next to the Mecharius variants.
Noticed a lot of things had a point drop in the last balance update. Wonder how much that effects specific units
I would disagree that all Guard flyers are bad. Voss Lightnings or Avenger Fighter seem decent for 130 Points...and they profit from the "useless" Attache 😊
I feel a little better about the future of my mechanized guard army
I commented on the last video, but can models with the deep strike ability come from reserves on turn one? I’ve been reading the rule book and there’s nothing saying they can’t not come turn one. It only specifies “one of your reinforcements steps”
It’s specified in the rules for leviathan not the core rule book sadly
Is that mission specific then? IE are there missions that won't classify deep strike on turn 1?
@@NP-si8lt it could be but that’s future stuff we don’t even know when leviathan will be discontinued
Could you kindly put your slides up for download even as a protected PDF? It’d be easier than taking notes as with my TBI I need to study stuff over and over to memorize.
Thanks for the great videos!!
Absolutely agree with this tier list. Gj
Regimental Enginseer seems like a nobrainer. Yet tournament winners don't really use them. And only aircraft bothered mentioning is a Valkyrie at Tier 4! Damn!
IDK think the Deathstrike is a bit better than you're giving it credit for. Maybe not top tier but least T3?
Area denial fun aside, even if the other guy isn't scared and rolls a single 10 man marine squad into that area. They're all probably gonna die. That's 2D6 hits to everything. Hitting on 2+, wounding everything on 2+, -4ap. Sure it's only 1 damage but if you get hit 5-6 times (avg) nothings gonna make it that isn't a tank. 10 marines are what 200 give or take points? That's a net win.
Then you get a free 10" move, 3 OC, armored heavy bolter hull to drive around and maybe hit more bullets for you.
Or with Cadia Shock Troopers "sticky" obj control even if you blast your own squad you still have the obj lol.
Plus it's kinda fun to take one. I'd almost love to take 3 and see what shenanigans I can get up to.
Also side note, manticores don't have limited ammo anymore? That's...interesting.
Im a simple man...i see guard, i hit the like button 😊
I think spamming large death Korps squads (with marchals) and sentinels is viable here haha, with lord solar as well ;)
If it ends up not being effective and you leave with a 90+% mortality rate, you can just say you're paying Lore Accurate Krieg.
I hate having to run a stupid named character in every army. I hate naked characters in general as they ruin my immersion but I can tolerate them if they’re not overpowered as hell compared to everything else in the army. Leontus is actually the fucking worst. He’s better than anything else in the army at everything and there’s no reason not to take him, so every guard army has the exact same golden guy on a horse in every engagement. It just destroys any sense of immersion and personal connection to the army for me, as if it was a generic character I could name them, give them a personality etc but instead it’s a super important character in the lore or whatever who just so happens to be in every single minor battle the trillions of guardsmen fight every day? Great. Fuck named characters.
100%. I have refused to use him so far but its so damn hard....
Proxy one that fits your army. I use a krieg lord commissar on horse for the lord solar
Agreed, my idea for a DKoK army would be to convert or get my hands on mounted Marshal as a replacement
20 man squad, with command squad/ogryn, and a preacher will give you a pretty scary unit
What about Malcador tanks? Or for example Valdor Tank Hunter?
Just had my first game of 10th against custodes with guard. It... Did not go well 😄. Perfect timing for me to revamp my list
Don't feel bad, Custodes are fucking awful, whoever thought making them a playable faction should have been fired. So not fun.
I'm confused, in an earlier video you praised Nork because you could put a command squad and Nork together in an infantry squad, Nork could stop all the hits with his invulnerability save, if he does take any wounds the medic would be able to heal him to full health. Making him a huge wall to break before the officer or infantry could be harmed. What gives?
Where's the Scout Sentinel & what's its Tier standing to you?
I feel vindicated that after a couple of games against Guard in 10th I immediately thought Scout Sents were excellent. I thought I'd maybe missed them for a second until the end.
Where are the faqs for 10th edition? When you check downloads on the warhammer community page there is nothing there
TL:DR it’s not good.
Shoutout to my boys who got to play like 3 games with our 9e codex. That was a fun like 6 months.
Had a mate who was running a tau BS list, 4++ inv everywhere. Absolutely destroyed his play style with three Vanquishers. Became a game of hide and seek
Thanks,
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What about the thunderbolt heavy fighter?
Just got into the game with Militarum. Did GW give them a boost or no?
Maybe someday in a few centuries Tallarn will have models again ):
Also Solar can order up to 24 inches with a master vox.
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Regimental attaches are auto include for competitive. 40 points! The ordinance is obvious since a competitive list goes heavy on indirect artillery. The fleet guy, whatever. Extra wound on a krieger brick. Astropath! That’s worth 80 points. Stops enemies from deploying 12” from him. If you parking lot the arty. Biggest threat is reserves and deep strike. With astropath and clever deployment it ain’t happening.
Also servitors are awesome, for the same reason forge world tarantulas are as well. Only 35! Points. If you are just throwing bodies to screen out and defend space, go cheap.
Need lots of scouts. Solid bricks of Kriegers to move up. A big blob of regular infantry with 2 mortars and Ursula, Sola. That infantry will indirect fire what you want dead. Ursula CP fields of fire. Arty deletes. With cheap tarantulas servitors and astropath back field and main army is secured and safe.
Kriegers push and hold. Scouts body block midfield while targeting for arty.
It's a shame deathstrike is bad again, I really liked what it was in 9th
Restarting in 9th with guard was a good decision. Although everyone on the Internet keeps telling me how they aren't strong, I keep tabling my friends. Maybe I need to add more terrain, but yesterday my DKOK with psyker and marshall also killed my friend's Ballistus dreadnought and infernus marines in melee. I'll stick with the guard whether they are strong or weak :-)
I'm pretty sure you can use Creed's reinforcements on a destroyed unit and apparently it was ruled like this in some UK tournaments. When a unit is destroyed, it can be targeted and then it is taken off the board. Other rules such as deadly demise also involve measuring distances from a destroyed unit, after all. The stratagem is also explicit on that it can be used on a destroyed unit.
Deadly Demise /specifically/ interrupts the order of actions, though. It has a cutout specifically for allowing its existence. Same for Reinforcements!. Creed's ability, on the other hand, does not.
Depends on who and what you play against. Into Votaan, Grey Knights, some space marine variants, you could have a good game, against custodes, GSC,knights, eldar, you’re absolutely going to lose
Creed's ability targets a unit on the board. At the point of destruction(after resolving things like Deadly Demise), all models are removed and a unit stops being "a target" on the board. So Creed has nothing to target.
Still, having the ability to bring a fresh unit of Armoured Sentinels for just 2 CP is pretty strong no matter what. And Creed does make it easier to save up points to use this Stratagem.
Where would you find the death korps marshal ,I cant find that thing anywhere
The model was discontinued. It was resin, I would recommend buying a commissar and putting a krieg helmet on with a bit green stuff on the neck.
Had a game yesterday against Dark Angels yesterday. I got horribly stomped, my guard could not kill anything.
you need more tanks. you should certainly not be having trouble killing anything with enough tanks.
@@Khobai I had an Oppressor Rogal, an Exterminator Leman and a Battlecannon Leman. He had some Space Marine captains throwing free armour of contempt left and right. Some apothecary just brought back an terminator every turn. It was like "fields of fire, whittling fire and AP-1 vs AOC + Cover. Effective AP -1. Still a 3 up save."
I should have taken an Executioner.
@@Khobai tanks suffer too, 4+ just sucks. And overall our ap is way down.
its more because orders dont splash anymore and leman russes dont come in squadrons. theyve deliberately made it too hard to give take aim to leman russes because they want you to buy rogal dorns and baneblades instead. im running a baneblade variant in most lists and it annihilates anything it shoots at.
Needs an update since the dataslate change.
Apparantly creed can reinforcement back sentinels since they aren't removed when destroyed and they come back with hunger killers.... not seen any faq on this
They are no longer "a unit" that can be targeted when destroyed. Just like you cant give them an order to increase their OC or give them an extra 3" movement characteristic when they have all been blown up. So no, Creed cant use Reinforcement Stratagem on them for 0 CP.
Returned units are considered "new units" though, so they have their "one-shot" and/or "once per battle" ready to go.
It is already incredible strong on a full unit of Sentinels, even if it costs 2 CP.
@@fendelphiI forget where I read it, but vehicles have a sneaky does it explode phase which means that while they are destroyed, they're still on the field until that deadly demise roll is made. Meaning you actually can do reinforcements for 0, they're the only unit you can do it with however. Unless I'm misunderstanding that bit
@@bloodraven5533 The way I see it, there are 2 ways about it.
Either the unit is considered "Destroyed" before rolling for Deadly Demise, or after.
If it is before, Creed has no target to influence(A destroyed unit has no presence on the board, unless otherwise stated).
If it is after, Creed cant interrupt the sequence and use Reinforcement Stratagem before the Deadly Demise roll, because Reinforcement requires the unit to be Destroyed, which is not fulfilled yet.
Otherwise we would have a weird situation like this:
Enemy has just finished off your last Sentinel. You are about to roll "does it explode".
It is interrupted by having Creed use her ability to target the Sentinel with the Reinforcement Stratagem, and then you put an entire new unit of sentinels into reserve, while the old unit is still waiting to roll for Deadly Demise.
That makes no sense to me, as that would require you to have an "extra" model just for this. Potentially several extras, depending on the weapon configuration of the last standing Sentinel.
Especially if you can do this every Battleround(potentially 4-5 times during a battle).
And as you said, this is only a possible consideration because Sentinels have a "sub-phase" when they die, due to Deadly Demise. All other regimental units that get destroyed, would not be considered for this interaction.
Instead, you should simply use Creed to reduce the cost of the 2 CP Field of Fire and obliterate an enemy unit.
That is already insanely good to do every turn.
And the points saved can be used for the Reinforcement Stratagem or other Stratagems, if you like.
I know this is like 5 months later, but I really think you underestimated Bullgryns, they're easily tier 1
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... I can hardly believe what Sentinels have turned into. They were an utter joke for so long. Multiple entire editions of armor 10/11 and multilasers.
What of....the super heavy variants?
You can use abilities even in deep strick or transport, meaning you can order them if the leader is attached to a squad. Kasrkin in Transport can also order themselves.
It work if they are in reserve but not if they are embarked
"Unit embarked within a transport doesnt count as being on the battlefield for any rule purposes, this means that unless explicity states otherwise, embarked unit cannot do anything (eg shoot, use ability ,etc)"
@@FirstMadDog my bad, you are right
They should let us order units if they are embarked and scions ordering themselves when they deep strike. Basically they are killing mechanized infantry if they don't change this.
Wait can valyrie come in turn 1? I thought all flying had to come in turn 2
it can in hover mode.
Good God Emperor no wonder the Tyranids basically created a super one to grab Leontus with all the things he brings. Frankly I wish more leader characters did more like that, like full blown named Warlord options.
leontus is stupid though. by making him so much better than all the other options they made taking him mandatory for playing imperial guard. you handicap yourself by not taking him. when something is so good its a non-choice it defeats the purpose of having other choices.
@@KhobaiBut then GW sells a new model that not all Guard players have yet.
@@SquirtleSquadPH I've not seen an actual copy of the lord solar. I've seen converted models, 3d printed models, and a brettonian on an 80mm base.
SCIONS ALLL THE WAyy I’ve played roughly six 10th edition games now, and the Scion death all is real. As it stands 5 wins 1 loss. The key armor and Scions. 2 identical death balls.
Command squad(with medipak) attached to 10 man with tech priest so you get 5+ invuln and 6+ feel no pain. Then drop em in and devastate.
I presume you mean the Engineer with the armour and not giving buffs to the scions because if it's the latter then that's not how it works.
Welcome to the guard where 2/3 of your units are useless, almost everything is 10-20% overcosted, and your army rules do nothing most of the time!
sounds like most armies
@@MisterGrittle not most but a few of the worst performing ones for those exact reasons
Astra Militarum is spoiled for choice compared to many other lists. They have some really good cheap stuff and some really good expensive pieces as well. And quite a few specialists for specific playstyles.
@@fendelphi we do have an exceptionally deep bench but relying on cheap FW edge case jank has always been a thing when the mainstays of the guard are either overpriced just straight up bad
doesn't make the fact that the the things that win guard the game ( frontline armor and to a lesser extent artillery ) are wayyyyy overcosted right now
to win at 40k you either have to be tanky enough to contest objective or fast and deadly enough to blow someone off of it and take it, both of which guard struggle at currently
@@CatharsisChaser Generally speaking, everything has gone up in cost for every faction. At the same time, lethality has, generally speaking, gone down.
But as I said, most of them do not have the diversity of the Astra Militarum.
Some of the other factions do not even have reasonable artillery options, or their anti-vehicle options are extremely limited.
As the meta change and things get balanced out, the Guard can adapt. A lot of other factions do not really have that luxury.
I really have no idea why games workshop nerfs the valkyrie every edition
Why are bad units green and good units red rather than the other way around? Green is normally good and red bad.
new overpriced model are god tier ? ho boy thats marketing in a ntushell hey ?
Painfully so, yes.
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tempestus is tier1 lol
I've been looking for the death korps marshal because I've been thinking about getting into 40k, but can seem to find his miniature anywhere forge world or games workshop. living in canada if anyone can point me in the right direction
3d printing is your friend with krieg but if you insist on the official ones the marshal is the leader of the dkok command squad via forgeworld
any commissar model can easily substitute, and if you want to be a little more thematic you can even headswap them with an extra gasmask from the veteran guardsman box
I have to strongly disagree about the rogal dorn. It is the worst vehicle in the army. Zeroing out 1 attack means practically nothing unless a hammerhead shot you. It's 40 points too expensive. It's overcosted to a point that you need to drop something critical to take it.
all our tanks are overcosted. Dorns are almost like getting 2 for 1 though, with oppressor/pulverizer.
Took 5 scout setinels do the math if you want and the oponent kept killing one ubut pop 2 cp bring them back with more missilesi kept doing this until game was done first time i beat an eldar player i know shocking
5 Squads, or two two Sentinel squads and a single sentinel?
@@dracarysblackfyre6030 the latter
Only three of each choice unless battleline
Valkyrie is about 80 points of ability. 200 is your joking.
Weird ya used a picture of a krieg commissar instead of a pic of the death korps marshall/
Because the marshal isn’t produced. It’s been out of print for years. The commissar is as close as you’ll get for a leader for the death corps of cringe
I‘m new to this and I don‘t get how the guard used to be pretty good right after their new codex dropped now I bought a couple of units and tanks but there‘s no codex anymore, just index cards and they‘re sh*t again?
The rules for them are free on the app and online. They aren't shit at all, they have some very solid units but they require good knowledge of the army and game and understanding of synergies with list building.
You just have to keep track of a lot and make sure you are force multiplying with Orders, Stratagems and unit abilities.
If you only look at Guards Data Cards then yh ofc they'll look shit. Until you figure out you can make Basilisks hit on 2's + 2's Sustained 1, Lethal 1 etc etc
Gaunt's Ghosts >>>>>>>> Snikrot + Kommandos. I'm sad.
Dem Ogyrns are pretty Orky.
This thumbnail didnt age well XD
Is there an actual good reason why all the heavy weapons teams and the field ord battery have bs5 now? I have yet to get a decent answer that wasnt just "Guard bad, lol". I swear...GW could f*!k up a wet dream.
Because in 9th they were heavy so if you moved you’d be hitting on 5’s now if you stand still you hit on 4’s. Essentially nothing changed.
Go look at the other factions codex...Guard is the only ones who got crapped on.
Necron heavies, heavy keyword 3+ bs
Space Marine, heavy keyword 3+ bs
Nids...same.
@@DirtyDan2700 votann got hammered and admech