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Heres some other pirate movies that were overlooked. AGAINST ALL FLAGS. THE BLACK SWAN. THE BUCCANEER. CAPTAIN BLOOD. CAPTAIN KIDD. THE CRIMSON PIRATE. CUTTHROAT ISLAND. DAMN THE DEFIANT. THE DEVIL-SHIP PIRATES. HOOK. THE ICE PIRATES. THE ISLAND. PAN. PETER PAN. THE SEA HAWK. SERENITY. THE SPOILERS. SWASHBUCKLER. TREASURE PLANET.
I was surprised that the captain's quarters in the 1950s film were depicted as having potted flowers. But I suppose it was right for the character, that he would put aside water for plants that could be given to people.
I think she took the scene from muppet treasure island too literally. When their saying how they could have been this and that their just lying, trying to convince young jim hawkins that being a pirate is a great life when in reality they’re a bunch of cutthroats and scum bags, and most of them not that bright.
the reason Michael Caine and Tim Curry are so good in their respective Muppet movies is that Michael Caine treats the Muppets as fellow actors, and Tim Curry treats himself as a fellow Muppet
I liked this presenter. A lot of expert reactions feel like the expert has a chip on their shoulder, and is just looking to dump on all your favorite things (often for superficial reasons). Iszi had a great balance of praise and critique, mixed with humor and education. Well done!
I dunno if it was this channel or another one, but one expert judging surviving while stranded at sea, they gave the always Sunny in Philadelphia clip a 10/10
I would like to recommend Matt Easton and his RUclips channel Scholagladiatora, if you like experts analyzing popular media with a more positive outlook. He's an expert in historical fighting and weapons and has quite a few videos where he analyzes scenes from historical and fantasy films, and he does so with an eye for the cinematic aspects as well as his area of expertise.
I don't really agree. Most of them take the commentating with stride. They frequently give higher scores just for how entertaining the movies were. Maybe you're just bummed to hear that your favorite movies aren't exceptionally accurate.
Loved this expert. Not only did she critique the movies from a historical point of view but also from a cinematic point of view when it totally didn't make sense, but at the same time giving the movies enough leeway when it did make sense. She seems like a very fun person to be friends with and would love to hear her tell more stories about pirates.
I think they didn't want Elizabeth to drop the medallion because with it being dark they'd have a hard time finding it before the port mounted an organized response. They may have attacked with surprise, but the Fort still had large guns overlooking the harbor. And that's assuming the medallion wasn't lost in the mud or sand. Besides, seeing it after all that time, they really really wanted it as soon as possible.
Yes to all the things above. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the "medallion calls" part. When Elizabeth falls into the water there's this weird shock wave which I always assumed was the reason why Barbossa knew where to look for the medallion and steered the Black Pearl into Port Royal. But if that was the case they could also track it if Elizabeth dropped it.
@@1412mariLU I think that is because for as long as Elizabeth had it, it had no contact with water, I don't know if it would be constantly pinging while submerged or not but it does feel like a bit of a bad design.
I imagine the leg irons on his wrists were because they didn't readily have cuffs nearby. I recall the Commodore saying "Gillette, fetch some irons", so it stands to reason they grabbed just whatever was nearby, and (uncomfortably) at this time of history slave ships were fairly common, so you might find some leg irons near the docks... Also, plot convenience.
@@amandaritzau2602 In the day everyone went in for very harsh punishments for vanishingly small offences. The harsher and more unforgiving the leader the stupider the followers get from anxiety and fear.
What a great presenter, this might be the best “academic reacts” video I’ve watched. Perfect balance of pointing out what’s wrong (and giving so many interesting facts) vs. Recognising when it’s best to just say “never mind”
More pirate content from Iszi please!! Would love yo hear what she thinks of Black Sails. It is also downright criminal that you did not include Suzy Izzards portrayal of Long John Silver as I personally believe it's the best one
Long John Silver was the Quartermaster of Captain Flint, so not an officer per say, he looked after the crew, provisions and their pay. It also explains how he had the money for a tavern, and his contacts necessary to form his own crew. It also explains his leadership of the former men of Flint, he was the one who was the intermediary between the leadership and the ordinary sailors, and likely looked after them when needed. This position accorded him respect, but also fear as he could easily denied provisions or pay from those who displeased him, and it is made clear by Billy Bones that Silver was deeply feared by him and many others because of his ability to command the men and have them act on his whims. But he wouldn't have the notoriety to be wanted by the Admiralty for high crimes.
The quartermaster ranked higher than any other officer aboard the ship except the captain himself, and could veto the captain's decisions whenever the ship was not chasing a prize or engaged in battle.
@@EmperorSmith that might have been the case with a few pirate ships or small trading vessels, but definitely not for the navy of the period nor the large merchant ships. The Quartermaster would be among mid-level NCOs at the time, but still below Master at Arms, the Carpenter, the Rope Maker, Gunner, Surgeon, the Clerk, and Boatswain, and officers like the senior midshipmen, Master, and the lieutenants, and the Master and Commander.
Yeah, it was very disappointing to hear her call Long John Silver a captain. He nearly was, and for a good while practically was, but never quite really.
@@Rystefn Easy, they did it like every other ship, and the Quartermaster wasn't a high level officer. Sailors at this period were not known to be innovators, and were extremely traditional and superstitious. They would not have imposed a new or unfamiliar system, and would have adopted what was already normal and expected.
Elizabeth: [stabs Barbossa] Expert: This is not accurate; if you stabbed a pirate they would probably die. Peak comedy, I do not want to learn history from anyone else.
I don't know, I feel that Barbossa's reaction might have been accurate enough for a _cursed_ pirate. But I've got to admit, there aren't a lot of historical sources on those.
She seems like she’d be a fun teacher to learn from, she looks like the cool art teacher stereotype, I love her. I also appreciate the words about Elizabeth’s stays, they always include a scene with corsetry for drama when they weren’t nearly as bad as media makes them out to be.
It's an inaccurate & overdone cliche that needs to be dropped off a cliff, imo. They're only uncomfortable if they're 'unseasoned' or too small, as far as I'm aware - I could buy Elizabeth being uncomfortable if her new dress (& new stays), having being made in London, rather than by a local seamstress- were a bit on the small side, but considering they're the foundation garments she would have been used to wearing all her life... it's a bit much to hear her complaining about them *all. the. time* . And stays *aren't* corsets- the terms aren't interchangeable... Stays existed between the mid-15th & early 19th c - yanking on them to lace them up, the way they do in movies & TV shows would wreck them within a wear or two; *_corsets_* were only possible after the 2nd Industrial Revolution allowed the making of the finer steel components - before then, the only part of stays that would be metal, would _occasionally_ be lacing rings, that might have served to reinforce the lacing holes (but not all stays had them, & they are **not** the same as the later metal grommets)...
Thank you for the corset part. Corsets weren't a torture device, they were comfortable and women enjoyed wearing them, especially women who did manual labor (cleaning, cooking, washing, other house chores) because corset supports your back.
They were basically the equivalent of bras. Not necessarily comfortable, especially if not properly fitted, but better than having one's breasts bouncing around or drooping heavily. The "torture device" corsets weren't until the later Victorian era.
@@katherinegilks3880 and only for those who could afford to buy Paris gowns. Victorian corsets are quite comfy as well. unless you're an idiot who tight laces.
I have a nice one I wear when we go to Renaissance fairs and I find it very comfortable! The back support is honestly so amazing. We're walking around and sitting on uncomfortable seats all day and I'd be miserable without the support of the corset.
@@katherinegilks3880Exactly. Empress Elizabeth of Austria (famous for the really sanitized Romy Schneider films) wore ridiculously tight-fitting corsets because she was obsessed with maintaining her weight and beauty.
I love this explaination of pirates. I also love how passionate she is about her knowledge. I would like to see more from her if at all possible. Maybe have her review different depictions of real pirates such as blackbeard.
@@americaroleplayer well obviously; but like the costuming only had a small budget so theyre not super accurate (nor were they trying to be with taika in full leather) or like the language they use etc but its so fun that pirates really were gay
@@charlotteslays Ya, obviously the real Blackbeard wasn't dating Stede, but I am curious if he knew Stede and Calico Jack. Was Fuckery a real thing? Ect.
@@americaroleplayer it's very unlikely that Blackbeard ever met Calico Jack, but it is rather well known that Stede (being a less than apt pirate in his own right) gave over his control of his ship to Blackbeard for a period of time sometime during 1717.
I think the plot hole in Pirates about them walking along the bottom of the ocean isn’t really a hole grand scheme. It’s bloody dark underwater and it’s a kinda small thing to go looking for. So it would be a pain in the ass to go to get it
You mentioned it was odd they were all wearing the wigs at the beginning. Well to be fair at this precise moment they were going to have a ceremony promoting him to commodore, so many it was part of the ceremony
I love everything about this. Iszi is so knowledgeable, and is also incredibly witty, entertaining, and enthusiastic. And that reaction to the entrance of Miss Piggy was just the icing on the cake. I will now go watch everything Iszi has ever commented on! Arrrghghg! (Also, I so wish she could have taken a gander at "Our Flag Means Death," especially as she mentions Stede by name!)
The English town of Hartlepool is somewhat famous for hanging a monkey (that was washed up from a french ship) becuase they had never seen one before and thought it was a French spy. There is even a statue in the town of this.
She is clearly enjoying critiquing the movies, pointing out the accuracies/inaccuracies, and insisting that Miss Piggy is the key to making a movie. Well done!
I adore how she treats Muppet Treasure Island (one of the greatest films of all time) with the same analytic view as the others-- much like how the person (@tadicuslegion78) below pointed out why Caine and Curry were so good. She didn't laugh it off and give it free passes just because it's a muppet movie, but pointed out actual pros and cons regarding accuracy--giving it equal standing. And just, mad respect to her. She was wicked funny and knows her shit. All the props.
The most accurate portrayal I’ve seen was Black Sails. The horror of cannon balls sending shrapnel everywhere, some of the pirates like Ned Low (based on a true pirate) are absolutely terrifying. These shows she has looked at are what I’d call “pirate lite”
For POTC, regarding the necklace, it's not about them not being able to go on the sea bottom, it's about loosing what they came for ib the water currents, which would forfeit their only chance of lifting the curse (unless you count POTC 5, which makes the 10 years of looking for a pendant useless)
personally i don't really think that Pirates 5 is really seen as Canon because stranger things while flawed was a great ending to the story of jack sparrow and the pirates franchise.
I like this historian, like the points she picked up on, especially how she mentioned the Somali pirates done this out of necessity, we don't realize how lucky we are not having to put our lives on the line doing criminal acts just to make a living.
Robert Newton who played Long John Silver in the 1st Treasure Island movie was a classically trained actor and practically invented the ARR Jim Lad pirate character was damn near copied by a whole slew of other actors and in fact spent most of his subsequent career trying to live it down
Ikr! I was waiting for her to talk about his invention of pirate talk, but it didn't really come up. That's the only thing I dislike about these bite-size analyses... she probably was aware of that fact (and others) but didn't get space to talk about everything.
@@OcarinaSapphr- True, but he invented the concept of it being an accent specifically used by pirates. (Although he wasn't far wrong, given that a lot of pirates were from west England. It's just that a lot of other people talked like that too).
The point about pirate captains being recognisable is very interesting. In the book at least Long John was Captain Flint's quartermaster and not a Captain at all until he declares himself Captain of the Hispaniola.
One of the reasons why they might've built the stockade on Treasure Island where they did, is because there's a good supply of clean water in that area. There's a small pool of it fed by a spring. So, they may have built it there for that reason alone.
@ 19:30 It is a fish nose, essentially: a ray, also known as a Sawfish, or as carpenter sharks. They have a long, narrow, flattened rostrum - a nose extension. They are endangered, because so many people thought that their nose made a great trophy.
My take on 'we really don't want her to drop the necklace even though we can totally go get it' is 1) movie, keeping surprises for the audience 2) FINDING the bloody thing would be a pain in the ass and require keeping the ship in that one spot for a long time. The coin is small, they don't exactly have flashlights so its going to be dark down there, and the coin isn't going to go straight down so the search area is bigger than preferred (and that's assuming they don't accidentally bury the thing with disturbed substrate during the search). Also, aren't they in the open ocean at this point? If you don't have a line that reaches the bottom getting the corpse that finally finds the necklace back out could be a problem. In short, gasp because its right the fuck there and the alternative is a pain in the ass
Just imagine if the pirates did it differently: Ragetti: Let it drop! We can just go in and find it! (Elizabeth drops it in) *8 hours later* Pintel: Where in blazes is the bloody thing?! Ragetti: I guess the current moves pretty swift down here. Bosun: Navy ships approaching. We have to move. Barbossa: (internally making a note to strap a cannon to Ragetti's bootstraps...)
It's a joy to watch someone like Iszi love what they do and get excited about the details that are right but have fun with the wones that are inaccurate. That was a delightful damn half hour. Thank you ^_^
1:00 I always figured that since earlier in the movie, we see her father presenting her with "the latest fashion from London", there could be 2 things at play: one is that the corset and dress, came from London and the measurements are off (and no fitting took place after it was presented); and also perhaps the maids who put her in it don't like her that much, which is why it's over tightened.
Or they weren't familiar with that garment and didn't know how to tighten it properly without inadvertently tight lacing it. I think whale bone was popular at the time and rather bendy.
It probably took several months for the order to arrive to London and another to ship it back, plus the making. Chances are she'd grown out of it xD (or didn't grow into it they way they expected. how common was that, can anyone tell?)
It's also new. Natural materials take time to expand, and corsets are specifically designed to not do that. Them tearing it off like that though, is not accurate: but the fundamental issue is that the corset design is not period accurate. We earlier see Elizabeth holding on to her bedpost while a maid laces her up: but back lacing corsets wouldn't be in fashion for another century. Corsets at this time were always front lacing. They also had a rigid piece called a busk that you inserted in the front under the lacing. This is the part that a rescuer would remove to make it easier for Elizabeth to breathe deeply. Removing her entire corset like that would be grounds for Elizabeth to sue Norrington, in the real 18th Century. Being exposed in public like that would do considerable damage to her marriage prospects.
@@golwenlothlindel Agree 💯%! Also- they would be *_stays_* at this time, *not* a corset- so they'd be even _more_ comfortable (at least as comfortable as a new dress made of- I want to say- a lined & painted silk would be- I find it hard to believe the *_Governor_* would buy his daughter a _print_ dress) - & a new & slightly too small bodice would be uncomfortable, no matter what the age of the setting. Stays & corsets are **not** interchangeable, no matter what media has to say on it. Stays date from the mid-late 15th century, to the early-mid 19th - corsets date from the mid-19th century, when the later period of the Industrial Revolution made production of the fine steel components possible; before that point, the only metal components of a pair of stays _might_ have been metal lacing rings, that would have been stitched over & served to reinforce the lacing holes (but they weren't ubiquitous- most people just relied on the strength of their stitching... & people _not_ being absolute wallies & yanking on something they had no need to: why do people act like tight-lacing was not only occurring earlier than it did, historically- but that pretty much *everyone* from pre-teens to near-grandmas were getting in on it?? It was a limited fad for a handful of people; actresses, models, fashionistas, & socialites- & even then, not _all_ of them) BTW- *love* the real legal aspect you added at the end!
Are you seriously suggesting that a Pirates of the Caribbean movie is employing several layers of subtext in regards to historical fashion rather than simply relying on lazy misconceptions and stereotypes?
This awesome lady has big Lindybeige energy: consummate expert, silly sense of humor, and lots of comments like "that's weird and wrong but never mind" I adore her
Hair aside, she has a very wonderfully extremely dry sense of humour, coupled with a wealth of knowledge and a fun delivery. Shades of beige notwithstanding
That's hilarious. I've seen POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl a dozen times over the years and it never once occurred to me that the undead pirates could have simply taken a dip and retrieved the medallion if Elizabeth had dropped it overboard. Especially since we see that the coins call out to them like homing beacons, so they wouldn't have had to search the whole ocean floor to find it. :)
but it may have just been the case of just the simple idea of loosing something they had been searching for and the simple fear of losing it again that made them jump. the stream could carry it and they could never find it.
As a kid from California born in 82' I cannot stress enough how many of us were OBSESSED with Pirates of the Caribbean and that first scene that really shows the true nature of the crew was a childhood wish fulfilled...then they made too many movies...and I don't wanna talk about it anymore..
@17:35 That's the bill (rostrum) of a Sawfish.. They mainly skim the bottom of the ocean eating crustaceans on the ocean floor or hiding in the sand (they use that "saw" to dig in the sand).. They will also swim higher up to eat fish (which use their "saw" as a weapon to kill/maim fish with)..
Shame you didn't pick the 1934 Treasure Island version - the fighting from Captain Smollett is LEGENDARY! The actor who portrayed him was a WWI vet, who went on to train recruits in combat, and you can really tell from the few swordfighting scenes he has that he knows what he's doing.
Interestingly there actually is an instance of a pirate who was a prize fighter when on land - when he was hanged in Nassau in 1718, he wore ribbons on his hat, sleeves and trousers to the execution to show off, as apparently this was a prize fighter custom when going into the ring. Source: the voices in my head (but also probably the General History of the Pyrates, idk).
There is actually a really really good one I watch all the time just type in pirates and it will say tales of the high seas and highwaymen it's really really good and in depth probably one of the greatest vids I have ever found
Absolutely fascinating. I always learn something from these videos, and I feel like I learned a lot more than I bargained for from Iszi Lawrence. Would love to see them review more pirate films and shows!
Im actually glad she pointed out the fact that in the first Pirates movie when Elizabeth is threatening that she will drop the gold it makes no sense for the pirates to be worried about it since they can just go and grab it xD
No, the Black Pearl depicted here is not equivalent to a British warship. It's equivalent to a Dutch pinnace (not to be confused with a small English pinnace). Having crewed aboard a Dutch pinnace, I have marched around a capstan, but we raised our anchors with the windlass, not the capstan. Took 8-12 men to raise, not 300. The anchor for a ship the size of the Black Pearl is only 900 pounds. It's breaking it loose that's difficult.
I always thought they would be pretty good at using the wind and leaving etc as a way to help themselves with the action. To me it would seem in some instances that even dropping the anchor could be a very frustrating thing 🤔 I always wondered about what would happen having it get stuck or entangled in coral and also knowing where and when to use it even
A small point regarding Captain Phillips: according to interviews I've seen on RUclips with the actor who played Musa ("I'm the captain now'), the pirates who captured the ship were Somalis from Minneapolis. Other extras may have been Somalis living in Somalia, but not the ones who took the ship over. That's minor, though. Her comments are aweome and I agree that I'd like to hear her take on Our Flag Means Death.
I really want to hang out with Iszi and have a drink, she seems like she would be fun to be around. Love listening to her break down all the different scenes.
I loved this but I think it’s missing quite a few of the classics, especially Captain Blood, of course. The Sea Hawk could have been fun, Against all Flags. In short: Bring her back for part 2!
The 1950s version of Treasure Island is so good EVERY pirate now sounds like Long John Silver, even though technically Long John just sounds like the actor Robert Newton doing an impression of real sailors he knew.
I would love to see this done with shows like Black Sails, where they had more time to tell in depth stories about the day to day life... Or Peter Pan and Hook!
24:00 “there we have the most beautiful woman on the planet…who is also a pig” . From the mouth of the expert herself! It is a statement I find no fault in. The actress Miss Piggy is absolutely fabulous!
It was definitely fun to watch and I enjoyed her funny commentary a lot but I gotta question her knowledge of ships after saying that the HMS Victory was a similar sized ship compared to the Black Pearl :D
Bingo. I overall really enjoyed her commentary but saying the Black Pearl is similar in size to the HMS Victory is like saying Venus is roughly the same size as Jupiter. They're not even remotely in the same class or scale.
I mean, there is a reason to be concerned about Elizabeth dropping the medallion into the ocean despite the pirates being able to survive the depths of the ocean. There's many factors, such as ocean current, how far the medallion actually travels away from the ship, how deep the ocean at that point is, how will the pirates get back up to the ship, how far from land would they be. It would essentially require a bunch of men to search miles of ocean floor to find one medallion, figuring out the logistics of getting it back to the rest of the crew, and it would basically be a huge hassle. It's much simpler to keep it on the boat rather than in the ocean.
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Heres some other pirate movies that were overlooked.
AGAINST ALL FLAGS.
THE BLACK SWAN.
THE BUCCANEER.
CAPTAIN BLOOD.
CAPTAIN KIDD.
THE CRIMSON PIRATE.
CUTTHROAT ISLAND.
DAMN THE DEFIANT.
THE DEVIL-SHIP PIRATES.
HOOK.
THE ICE PIRATES.
THE ISLAND.
PAN.
PETER PAN.
THE SEA HAWK.
SERENITY.
THE SPOILERS.
SWASHBUCKLER.
TREASURE PLANET.
the black pearl's cannon deck is below the top which is why it doesn't look that packed on the top deck during the assault on Port Royale
I was surprised that the captain's quarters in the 1950s film were depicted as having potted flowers. But I suppose it was right for the character, that he would put aside water for plants that could be given to people.
I think she took the scene from muppet treasure island too literally. When their saying how they could have been this and that their just lying, trying to convince young jim hawkins that being a pirate is a great life when in reality they’re a bunch of cutthroats and scum bags, and most of them not that bright.
I'd love to hear what she has to say about the show Black Sails 😊
the reason Michael Caine and Tim Curry are so good in their respective Muppet movies is that Michael Caine treats the Muppets as fellow actors, and Tim Curry treats himself as a fellow Muppet
That’s the best thing I’ve ever read on the internet.
This is the most accurate thing I’ve read all day.
I should know this but what pirate movie was Caine in? I don’t have time to watch the whole video before work and I’m curious.
I get it now, Caine was also in a muppet movie
That's part of why those two are such amazing actors.
I love how this person is so sarcastically serious about judging the accuracy, historical and otherwise of a muppet movie.
Love iszi!! And that name! Reminded me of Izzy hands! Gotta love pirates 😍
to be fair the muppet christmas carol has some of the greatest historical costumes of all time.
I liked this presenter. A lot of expert reactions feel like the expert has a chip on their shoulder, and is just looking to dump on all your favorite things (often for superficial reasons). Iszi had a great balance of praise and critique, mixed with humor and education. Well done!
I dunno if it was this channel or another one, but one expert judging surviving while stranded at sea, they gave the always Sunny in Philadelphia clip a 10/10
I suppose if you're an expert on pirates then it pays to have an element of whimsy somewhere.
I would like to recommend Matt Easton and his RUclips channel Scholagladiatora, if you like experts analyzing popular media with a more positive outlook. He's an expert in historical fighting and weapons and has quite a few videos where he analyzes scenes from historical and fantasy films, and he does so with an eye for the cinematic aspects as well as his area of expertise.
@@NeroIML Thanks for the recommendation! I checked out a few of his things, and I like his style as well.
I don't really agree. Most of them take the commentating with stride. They frequently give higher scores just for how entertaining the movies were.
Maybe you're just bummed to hear that your favorite movies aren't exceptionally accurate.
Loved this expert. Not only did she critique the movies from a historical point of view but also from a cinematic point of view when it totally didn't make sense, but at the same time giving the movies enough leeway when it did make sense. She seems like a very fun person to be friends with and would love to hear her tell more stories about pirates.
^this^
Sure, she looks like the funny people that call you a national socialist for drinking milk :))
Intolerance and lactose intolerance are not the same thing.
@@Zerradable
“A movie without Miss Piggy isn’t a movie!” Love it!
I think they didn't want Elizabeth to drop the medallion because with it being dark they'd have a hard time finding it before the port mounted an organized response. They may have attacked with surprise, but the Fort still had large guns overlooking the harbor. And that's assuming the medallion wasn't lost in the mud or sand. Besides, seeing it after all that time, they really really wanted it as soon as possible.
From what I know from fishing, fish go after shiny things... Could have easily been swallowed by sealife and it's gone forever.
very good points!
Ive lost jewellry at the beach. 2 seconds in the water or sand and its gonzo mate.
Yes to all the things above.
The only thing that doesn't make sense is the "medallion calls" part. When Elizabeth falls into the water there's this weird shock wave which I always assumed was the reason why Barbossa knew where to look for the medallion and steered the Black Pearl into Port Royal. But if that was the case they could also track it if Elizabeth dropped it.
@@1412mariLU I think that is because for as long as Elizabeth had it, it had no contact with water, I don't know if it would be constantly pinging while submerged or not but it does feel like a bit of a bad design.
This lady is brilliant. More of her please
God no, unless she does some (or any in fact) research in to what she is commenting on before speaking.
@@skipenguinsnot just me that noticed that then
Lots of talking coming from the wrong end
@@skipenguins What did she get wrong?
@@skipenguins did you do that before making this comment or are you just daft?
More pirate movie commentary please. Black Sails, Captain Blood, Hook, Cutthroat Island, Legend of Blackbeard, The Buccaneer, Pirates of Penzance.
Absolutely Hook!
Blackbeard is highly exaggerated, whereas Black Bart Roberts is completely ignored, despite being the most successful Western Pirate.
And One Piece! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And the Monkey Island game series.
And “The Pirate Movie” and Roman Polanski’s “Pirates”.
I imagine the leg irons on his wrists were because they didn't readily have cuffs nearby. I recall the Commodore saying "Gillette, fetch some irons", so it stands to reason they grabbed just whatever was nearby, and (uncomfortably) at this time of history slave ships were fairly common, so you might find some leg irons near the docks...
Also, plot convenience.
Bloody Gillette! He never gets anything right.
I think it shows how stupid the soldiers were in the movie... seriously most of em were not smart
@@amandaritzau2602
In the day everyone went in for very harsh punishments for vanishingly small offences. The harsher and more unforgiving the leader the stupider the followers get from anxiety and fear.
I suppose they were leg-irons because otherwise Jack's stunt wouldn't have worked out
@@PortCharmersAs I said, plot convenience.
What a great presenter, this might be the best “academic reacts” video I’ve watched. Perfect balance of pointing out what’s wrong (and giving so many interesting facts) vs. Recognising when it’s best to just say “never mind”
This was just marvellous. Muppet Treasure Island might just be my favourite childhood movie, and I love how she approached it.
TBH it's one of the all time greatest videos of all time 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
More pirate content from Iszi please!! Would love yo hear what she thinks of Black Sails. It is also downright criminal that you did not include Suzy Izzards portrayal of Long John Silver as I personally believe it's the best one
Is Suzy Izzards related to Eddie Izzard?
@@marieroberts5664 Eddie changed name to Suzy
@@matthewfullerton1416 did not know that! Thanks for the info.
No. Pride month is over. Go back to your closets.
Yeah Black Sails!!!
Would love to see her rate scenes from "Black Sails"
Best EVER. But she'd have to devote two entire videos to it.
Maybe there will be a part two! Theyve done that before here.
Came here to write this, thank you
Agreed! I wholly support historical reactions to Black Sails.
I would also love this.
This is the first time I’ve become aware of Izsi Lawrence - I’m now off to investigate her podcasts and other output! She’s great! 👏
Need more videos on pirates! Especially exploring pirates around the middle East, Africa and India where my pirate ancestors were.
I LOVE this presenter. She is so funny and so brilliant, I would watch an entire series of her presenting documentaries about piracy!!! Love.
This is one of the cutest and most charming people I saw for a long time. The speech, the voice, the style, the knowledge... respect!
Long John Silver was the Quartermaster of Captain Flint, so not an officer per say, he looked after the crew, provisions and their pay. It also explains how he had the money for a tavern, and his contacts necessary to form his own crew. It also explains his leadership of the former men of Flint, he was the one who was the intermediary between the leadership and the ordinary sailors, and likely looked after them when needed. This position accorded him respect, but also fear as he could easily denied provisions or pay from those who displeased him, and it is made clear by Billy Bones that Silver was deeply feared by him and many others because of his ability to command the men and have them act on his whims. But he wouldn't have the notoriety to be wanted by the Admiralty for high crimes.
The quartermaster ranked higher than any other officer aboard the ship except the captain himself, and could veto the captain's decisions whenever the ship was not chasing a prize or engaged in battle.
@@EmperorSmith that might have been the case with a few pirate ships or small trading vessels, but definitely not for the navy of the period nor the large merchant ships. The Quartermaster would be among mid-level NCOs at the time, but still below Master at Arms, the Carpenter, the Rope Maker, Gunner, Surgeon, the Clerk, and Boatswain, and officers like the senior midshipmen, Master, and the lieutenants, and the Master and Commander.
Yeah, it was very disappointing to hear her call Long John Silver a captain. He nearly was, and for a good while practically was, but never quite really.
@@matthewgillies7509 But it doesn't matter how the Navy did it. It only matters how Flint's crew did it.
@@Rystefn Easy, they did it like every other ship, and the Quartermaster wasn't a high level officer. Sailors at this period were not known to be innovators, and were extremely traditional and superstitious. They would not have imposed a new or unfamiliar system, and would have adopted what was already normal and expected.
Elizabeth: [stabs Barbossa]
Expert: This is not accurate; if you stabbed a pirate they would probably die.
Peak comedy, I do not want to learn history from anyone else.
I don't know, I feel that Barbossa's reaction might have been accurate enough for a _cursed_ pirate.
But I've got to admit, there aren't a lot of historical sources on those.
@@Julia-lk8jnI mean that depends of if you count STDs as “curses”
She seems like she’d be a fun teacher to learn from, she looks like the cool art teacher stereotype, I love her.
I also appreciate the words about Elizabeth’s stays, they always include a scene with corsetry for drama when they weren’t nearly as bad as media makes them out to be.
It's an inaccurate & overdone cliche that needs to be dropped off a cliff, imo.
They're only uncomfortable if they're 'unseasoned' or too small, as far as I'm aware - I could buy Elizabeth being uncomfortable if her new dress (& new stays), having being made in London, rather than by a local seamstress- were a bit on the small side, but considering they're the foundation garments she would have been used to wearing all her life... it's a bit much to hear her complaining about them *all. the. time* .
And stays *aren't* corsets- the terms aren't interchangeable... Stays existed between the mid-15th & early 19th c - yanking on them to lace them up, the way they do in movies & TV shows would wreck them within a wear or two; *_corsets_* were only possible after the 2nd Industrial Revolution allowed the making of the finer steel components - before then, the only part of stays that would be metal, would _occasionally_ be lacing rings, that might have served to reinforce the lacing holes (but not all stays had them, & they are **not** the same as the later metal grommets)...
Thank you for the corset part. Corsets weren't a torture device, they were comfortable and women enjoyed wearing them, especially women who did manual labor (cleaning, cooking, washing, other house chores) because corset supports your back.
They were basically the equivalent of bras. Not necessarily comfortable, especially if not properly fitted, but better than having one's breasts bouncing around or drooping heavily. The "torture device" corsets weren't until the later Victorian era.
@@katherinegilks3880 and only for those who could afford to buy Paris gowns. Victorian corsets are quite comfy as well. unless you're an idiot who tight laces.
I have a nice one I wear when we go to Renaissance fairs and I find it very comfortable! The back support is honestly so amazing. We're walking around and sitting on uncomfortable seats all day and I'd be miserable without the support of the corset.
There always some one trying the extra tight makes you look thin / fashionable.
@@katherinegilks3880Exactly. Empress Elizabeth of Austria (famous for the really sanitized Romy Schneider films) wore ridiculously tight-fitting corsets because she was obsessed with maintaining her weight and beauty.
I love this explaination of pirates. I also love how passionate she is about her knowledge. I would like to see more from her if at all possible. Maybe have her review different depictions of real pirates such as blackbeard.
i want her to review our flag means death - its not trying to be that accurate but id love to know her opinions
Aye aye and hear hear!
Ironically enough the homosexuality of the pirates is one of the most accurate things on the show lol
@@americaroleplayer well obviously; but like the costuming only had a small budget so theyre not super accurate (nor were they trying to be with taika in full leather) or like the language they use etc but its so fun that pirates really were gay
@@charlotteslays Ya, obviously the real Blackbeard wasn't dating Stede, but I am curious if he knew Stede and Calico Jack. Was Fuckery a real thing? Ect.
@@americaroleplayer it's very unlikely that Blackbeard ever met Calico Jack, but it is rather well known that Stede (being a less than apt pirate in his own right) gave over his control of his ship to Blackbeard for a period of time sometime during 1717.
Love the way she explains the economic and social background to piracy in a relatable nuanced way.
I think the plot hole in Pirates about them walking along the bottom of the ocean isn’t really a hole grand scheme. It’s bloody dark underwater and it’s a kinda small thing to go looking for. So it would be a pain in the ass to go to get it
Such a fun and informative analysis of these films. Would love to see her review Our Flag Means Death!
You mentioned it was odd they were all wearing the wigs at the beginning. Well to be fair at this precise moment they were going to have a ceremony promoting him to commodore, so many it was part of the ceremony
I love everything about this. Iszi is so knowledgeable, and is also incredibly witty, entertaining, and enthusiastic. And that reaction to the entrance of Miss Piggy was just the icing on the cake. I will now go watch everything Iszi has ever commented on! Arrrghghg! (Also, I so wish she could have taken a gander at "Our Flag Means Death," especially as she mentions Stede by name!)
Tim Curry was brilliant a Silver.. 'when youre a professional pirate, you dont have to wear a suit'
The English town of Hartlepool is somewhat famous for hanging a monkey (that was washed up from a french ship) becuase they had never seen one before and thought it was a French spy. There is even a statue in the town of this.
She is clearly enjoying critiquing the movies, pointing out the accuracies/inaccuracies, and insisting that Miss Piggy is the key to making a movie.
Well done!
I adore how she treats Muppet Treasure Island (one of the greatest films of all time) with the same analytic view as the others-- much like how the person (@tadicuslegion78) below pointed out why Caine and Curry were so good. She didn't laugh it off and give it free passes just because it's a muppet movie, but pointed out actual pros and cons regarding accuracy--giving it equal standing. And just, mad respect to her. She was wicked funny and knows her shit. All the props.
The most accurate portrayal I’ve seen was Black Sails. The horror of cannon balls sending shrapnel everywhere, some of the pirates like Ned Low (based on a true pirate) are absolutely terrifying. These shows she has looked at are what I’d call “pirate lite”
A show that had every pirate possible except for the best and most successful one.
One of my favorite shows of all time, a true classic
@@WalesTheTrueBritons Being who?
@@HankyPanky44Captain Hook, of course! 😄
It's the best blend of history and myth
Her breakdown is so fascinating. I could watch videos like this for days. Just feature her on a monthly basis to talk about pirates!
OMG thank you for the comment about the corsets! As a fan of historical costumes and follower of that world on YT, I appreciate the comment.
As a wearer of stays (the proper 18th Century term), so did I.
I was giddy to when she said that. Found my people~ 😌
For POTC, regarding the necklace, it's not about them not being able to go on the sea bottom, it's about loosing what they came for ib the water currents, which would forfeit their only chance of lifting the curse (unless you count POTC 5, which makes the 10 years of looking for a pendant useless)
personally i don't really think that Pirates 5 is really seen as Canon because stranger things while flawed was a great ending to the story of jack sparrow and the pirates franchise.
I like this historian, like the points she picked up on, especially how she mentioned the Somali pirates done this out of necessity, we don't realize how lucky we are not having to put our lives on the line doing criminal acts just to make a living.
Robert Newton who played Long John Silver in the 1st Treasure Island movie was a classically trained actor and practically invented the ARR Jim Lad pirate character was damn near copied by a whole slew of other actors and in fact spent most of his subsequent career trying to live it down
He also was known for having more booze than blood in his body.
Aww I was going to say That!
Ikr! I was waiting for her to talk about his invention of pirate talk, but it didn't really come up. That's the only thing I dislike about these bite-size analyses... she probably was aware of that fact (and others) but didn't get space to talk about everything.
@@TheMadPoetHimself
He didn't invent it, so much as observe the history of where he grew up (a seafaring community) & make use of it...
@@OcarinaSapphr- True, but he invented the concept of it being an accent specifically used by pirates. (Although he wasn't far wrong, given that a lot of pirates were from west England. It's just that a lot of other people talked like that too).
The point about pirate captains being recognisable is very interesting. In the book at least Long John was Captain Flint's quartermaster and not a Captain at all until he declares himself Captain of the Hispaniola.
One of the reasons why they might've built the stockade on Treasure Island where they did, is because there's a good supply of clean water in that area. There's a small pool of it fed by a spring. So, they may have built it there for that reason alone.
They should have her do more of these too. I’d like to see what she’d think of ‘Black Sails’. Probably my favorite show of all time.
Do my eyes deceive me or is Muppet Treasure Island getting some recognition?! It's legit my favorite Muppets movie, SO good!
19:40 "They did like to kill whoever they liked to." - Iszi smiles full of joy. xD
@ 19:30 It is a fish nose, essentially: a ray, also known as a Sawfish, or as carpenter sharks. They have a long, narrow, flattened rostrum - a nose extension. They are endangered, because so many people thought that their nose made a great trophy.
I missed everything she said during the professional Pirate song because I was too busy singing along. Love that movie.
That's good, people who don't sing along should walk the plank.
My take on 'we really don't want her to drop the necklace even though we can totally go get it' is 1) movie, keeping surprises for the audience 2) FINDING the bloody thing would be a pain in the ass and require keeping the ship in that one spot for a long time. The coin is small, they don't exactly have flashlights so its going to be dark down there, and the coin isn't going to go straight down so the search area is bigger than preferred (and that's assuming they don't accidentally bury the thing with disturbed substrate during the search). Also, aren't they in the open ocean at this point? If you don't have a line that reaches the bottom getting the corpse that finally finds the necklace back out could be a problem.
In short, gasp because its right the fuck there and the alternative is a pain in the ass
Just imagine if the pirates did it differently:
Ragetti: Let it drop! We can just go in and find it!
(Elizabeth drops it in)
*8 hours later*
Pintel: Where in blazes is the bloody thing?!
Ragetti: I guess the current moves pretty swift down here.
Bosun: Navy ships approaching. We have to move.
Barbossa: (internally making a note to strap a cannon to Ragetti's bootstraps...)
but the medallions act like beacons to the pirates, calling out to them. So it wouldn’t be that hard for them to find
Absolutely delightful, but also quite informative. I will look for other things featuring Iszi Lawrence!
It's a joy to watch someone like Iszi love what they do and get excited about the details that are right but have fun with the wones that are inaccurate. That was a delightful damn half hour. Thank you ^_^
I loved pirate stories as a kid. Real or fantasy! I was obsessed with Pirates of the Caribbean at about age 8.
1:00 I always figured that since earlier in the movie, we see her father presenting her with "the latest fashion from London", there could be 2 things at play: one is that the corset and dress, came from London and the measurements are off (and no fitting took place after it was presented); and also perhaps the maids who put her in it don't like her that much, which is why it's over tightened.
Or they weren't familiar with that garment and didn't know how to tighten it properly without inadvertently tight lacing it. I think whale bone was popular at the time and rather bendy.
It probably took several months for the order to arrive to London and another to ship it back, plus the making. Chances are she'd grown out of it xD (or didn't grow into it they way they expected. how common was that, can anyone tell?)
It's also new. Natural materials take time to expand, and corsets are specifically designed to not do that. Them tearing it off like that though, is not accurate: but the fundamental issue is that the corset design is not period accurate. We earlier see Elizabeth holding on to her bedpost while a maid laces her up: but back lacing corsets wouldn't be in fashion for another century. Corsets at this time were always front lacing. They also had a rigid piece called a busk that you inserted in the front under the lacing. This is the part that a rescuer would remove to make it easier for Elizabeth to breathe deeply. Removing her entire corset like that would be grounds for Elizabeth to sue Norrington, in the real 18th Century. Being exposed in public like that would do considerable damage to her marriage prospects.
@@golwenlothlindel
Agree 💯%!
Also- they would be *_stays_* at this time, *not* a corset- so they'd be even _more_ comfortable (at least as comfortable as a new dress made of- I want to say- a lined & painted silk would be- I find it hard to believe the *_Governor_* would buy his daughter a _print_ dress) - & a new & slightly too small bodice would be uncomfortable, no matter what the age of the setting.
Stays & corsets are **not** interchangeable, no matter what media has to say on it.
Stays date from the mid-late 15th century, to the early-mid 19th - corsets date from the mid-19th century, when the later period of the Industrial Revolution made production of the fine steel components possible; before that point, the only metal components of a pair of stays _might_ have been metal lacing rings, that would have been stitched over & served to reinforce the lacing holes (but they weren't ubiquitous- most people just relied on the strength of their stitching... & people _not_ being absolute wallies & yanking on something they had no need to: why do people act like tight-lacing was not only occurring earlier than it did, historically- but that pretty much *everyone* from pre-teens to near-grandmas were getting in on it??
It was a limited fad for a handful of people; actresses, models, fashionistas, & socialites- & even then, not _all_ of them)
BTW- *love* the real legal aspect you added at the end!
Are you seriously suggesting that a Pirates of the Caribbean movie is employing several layers of subtext in regards to historical fashion rather than simply relying on lazy misconceptions and stereotypes?
This awesome lady has big Lindybeige energy: consummate expert, silly sense of humor, and lots of comments like "that's weird and wrong but never mind" I adore her
Let's be honest - she has way better hair than him.
@@PobortzaPlI will not stand for this Lindybeige slander😢
@@jackwish420 I was speaking about the colour.
Hair aside, she has a very wonderfully extremely dry sense of humour, coupled with a wealth of knowledge and a fun delivery. Shades of beige notwithstanding
@@cleverusername9369 Yup, that's true.
That's hilarious. I've seen POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl a dozen times over the years and it never once occurred to me that the undead pirates could have simply taken a dip and retrieved the medallion if Elizabeth had dropped it overboard. Especially since we see that the coins call out to them like homing beacons, so they wouldn't have had to search the whole ocean floor to find it. :)
but it may have just been the case of just the simple idea of loosing something they had been searching for and the simple fear of losing it again that made them jump.
the stream could carry it and they could never find it.
ocean current is a bitch, even for gold.
@@spaceshiplewisNot to mention mud and the possibility of the coin getting swallowed by a fish
that was awesome! PLEASE Do more with Izzy!
I've always been a sucker for pirate stuff. This was funny and informative!
Robert Newton was an entire generation’s idea of what a pirate was. Fun video!
"why isn't everything taut?" me to myself in the mirror, every day since turning ~35
As a kid from California born in 82' I cannot stress enough how many of us were OBSESSED with Pirates of the Caribbean and that first scene that really shows the true nature of the crew was a childhood wish fulfilled...then they made too many movies...and I don't wanna talk about it anymore..
"If you can't fit Miss Piggy into a movie, is it a movie?"
I submit to you -- No. No it isn't. 😂
If only Black Sails included Miss Piggy! It would then have been a movie. 😉
We need so many more videos with Iszi. She knows her stuff and is so delectably sassy!
@17:35 That's the bill (rostrum) of a Sawfish.. They mainly skim the bottom of the ocean eating crustaceans on the ocean floor or hiding in the sand (they use that "saw" to dig in the sand).. They will also swim higher up to eat fish (which use their "saw" as a weapon to kill/maim fish with)..
I could listen to Iszi talk literally forever
Shame you didn't pick the 1934 Treasure Island version - the fighting from Captain Smollett is LEGENDARY! The actor who portrayed him was a WWI vet, who went on to train recruits in combat, and you can really tell from the few swordfighting scenes he has that he knows what he's doing.
The final 4 minutes of this video are such a good primer on why people became pirates!
Interestingly there actually is an instance of a pirate who was a prize fighter when on land - when he was hanged in Nassau in 1718, he wore ribbons on his hat, sleeves and trousers to the execution to show off, as apparently this was a prize fighter custom when going into the ring.
Source: the voices in my head (but also probably the General History of the Pyrates, idk).
Love pirate history, it's so interesting. Would love to see a video on something like the myths and reality of pirates.
There is actually a really really good one I watch all the time just type in pirates and it will say tales of the high seas and highwaymen it's really really good and in depth probably one of the greatest vids I have ever found
I don’t know how you said “obviously pigs aren’t native to the Caribbean…” with a straight face while staring down a muppet 🤣
Right 🤣🤣🤣
First thing I thought when we swooped into Treasure Island was "wow, that set is gorgeous!"
Wasn't expecting to see Iszi on history hit but I'm here for it!
could not have picked a better presenter amazing
Bring her back! Loved every moment!
I love history. I want to be a history professor and I hope that I can captivate my students like this, with this level of excitement.
Absolutely fascinating. I always learn something from these videos, and I feel like I learned a lot more than I bargained for from Iszi Lawrence. Would love to see them review more pirate films and shows!
Iszi is hilarious and I learned a lot! Adding to the cries to have her back to review Black Sails.
Always a pleasure to listen to a genuine expert fond of their area of expertise
I really want a part two with this person, and I wanna know their thoughts on Our Flag Means Death
What a delight of a video! It is so great to see passionate people talk about what they know and like!
Im actually glad she pointed out the fact that in the first Pirates movie when Elizabeth is threatening that she will drop the gold it makes no sense for the pirates to be worried about it since they can just go and grab it xD
Perfect accent to talk about pirates, and the energy - just great =)
No, the Black Pearl depicted here is not equivalent to a British warship. It's equivalent to a Dutch pinnace (not to be confused with a small English pinnace). Having crewed aboard a Dutch pinnace, I have marched around a capstan, but we raised our anchors with the windlass, not the capstan. Took 8-12 men to raise, not 300. The anchor for a ship the size of the Black Pearl is only 900 pounds. It's breaking it loose that's difficult.
If it takes 8-12 men to raise your pinnace, then you’re not very gay. 🤡
If it takes 300 men? Not gay at all, I guess.
I always thought they would be pretty good at using the wind and leaving etc as a way to help themselves with the action. To me it would seem in some instances that even dropping the anchor could be a very frustrating thing 🤔 I always wondered about what would happen having it get stuck or entangled in coral and also knowing where and when to use it even
A small point regarding Captain Phillips: according to interviews I've seen on RUclips with the actor who played Musa ("I'm the captain now'), the pirates who captured the ship were Somalis from Minneapolis. Other extras may have been Somalis living in Somalia, but not the ones who took the ship over.
That's minor, though. Her comments are aweome and I agree that I'd like to hear her take on Our Flag Means Death.
Do Black Sails and Our Flag Means Death next!
Always fascinating how obvious a pirate Long John Silver was, is, but he's so charismatic he almost fooled everyone
If they ever do a second Pirate episode I hope they cover the 1990 version of Treasure Island starring Charlton Heston and Christian Bale.
I really want to hang out with Iszi and have a drink, she seems like she would be fun to be around. Love listening to her break down all the different scenes.
I loved this but I think it’s missing quite a few of the classics, especially Captain Blood, of course. The Sea Hawk could have been fun, Against all Flags. In short: Bring her back for part 2!
“Bring Her Back For part 2” is my favourite film. Who says sequels are never better than the original movie?
The 1950s version of Treasure Island is so good EVERY pirate now sounds like Long John Silver, even though technically Long John just sounds like the actor Robert Newton doing an impression of real sailors he knew.
I would love to see this done with shows like Black Sails, where they had more time to tell in depth stories about the day to day life... Or Peter Pan and Hook!
This was so fun to watch! I learned so much, and Iszi made it so interesting!
Thisis terrific! Love this woman and her respect for muppets :)
24:00 “there we have the most beautiful woman on the planet…who is also a pig” . From the mouth of the expert herself! It is a statement I find no fault in. The actress Miss Piggy is absolutely fabulous!
If only everyone could have the passion for their work that Iszi has...
Caesar and the pirates is one of my favourite "And then what happened" stories.
6:10 I appreciate that they felt the need to point out that undead pirates aren't accurate😂
This expert was a delight to listen to.
This expert is a delight!!
It's such a small thing, but I love her face after saying "... they didn't think Somalis didn't have ladders!"
It was definitely fun to watch and I enjoyed her funny commentary a lot but I gotta question her knowledge of ships after saying that the HMS Victory was a similar sized ship compared to the Black Pearl :D
Bingo. I overall really enjoyed her commentary but saying the Black Pearl is similar in size to the HMS Victory is like saying Venus is roughly the same size as Jupiter. They're not even remotely in the same class or scale.
Loooove her energy and sense of humour! If she ever comes back on History Hit please ask her to watch Our Flag Means Death!
I mean, there is a reason to be concerned about Elizabeth dropping the medallion into the ocean despite the pirates being able to survive the depths of the ocean. There's many factors, such as ocean current, how far the medallion actually travels away from the ship, how deep the ocean at that point is, how will the pirates get back up to the ship, how far from land would they be. It would essentially require a bunch of men to search miles of ocean floor to find one medallion, figuring out the logistics of getting it back to the rest of the crew, and it would basically be a huge hassle. It's much simpler to keep it on the boat rather than in the ocean.