Tom Scholz FIRED me after Boston's first 2 albums!
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- Опубликовано: 24 окт 2024
- Barry Goudreau was a guitarist in the band Boston during the meteoric early years of the band, playing on the groups first two multi-platinum selling albums which included the hit singles More Than A Feeling and Don't Look Back. But thanks to a misunderstanding, he was fired from the group by Tom Scholz. In this interview Barry talks about the circumstances which led up to him being forced to leave the band.
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For what it's worth, Barry, I bought your first album, as soon as it came out! Fantastic!
when I heard the intro to 'Dreams', w/that SG tone, I said, who is this? wasn't he in Boston? because aside from a couple monster tunes, I wasn't into them. but Barry, I salute you for 'Dreams', chord changes and all. when some guys leave a band, you can hear the influence they had on said band, because they were an important part of their sound. those guys understood the power of electric guitar, and used it to great effect.
I have barrys album also!
I also got Barry's first album Orion the hunter and I still listen to it at times over 40 years later.
The whole album is fantastic, it's been in my music rotation since it came out
Barry’s album is good, Orion was great please release digitally.
Boston's 1st LP was PURE joy to me as a teenager. Unforgettable, inimitable, classic.
Their debut was one of the most perfect albums ever made.
It was to me also and my Senior Year in High School ! 76/77
I wore out that 8-track.
@@slapjohnson2808 Priceless man! 8 track!😎
I was 11 y/o when the album came out. My older rocker sister was 16 and when I heard her playing it, I was in love with that music
Both his solo album and RTZ are excellent albums and criminally overlooked and just plain forgotten. The last time I threw on RTZ I was pleasantly surprised at how catchy and instantly loveable the songs were. Sad that Barry got caught in the middle and fired through no fault of his own. Thanks for the awesome music Barry!
No doubt, RTZ was an excellent band !
Id throw orion the hunter in there as well
Never underestimate a bands ability to F things up when things were going great.
Almost always the fault of the singer.
Who knows all the dirt that was happening behind the scenes? Sometimes a great musician isn't worth working with. Many musicians in the past were shit canned for questionable behavior. Look no further than "Dave Mustaine" He was a complete asshole when he was in Metallica. I can't blame "James or Lars" for booting his ass out back in the day. In fact "Dave" sure won't put up with anyone in his band acting like he did in Metallica. Only the band truly knows all the dirt.
It's a shame because that first "Boston" album is a true art of perfection. Every guitar solo on that album was melodic and heart felt. One of the greatest Rock Albums of all time..
Boston never really was a band, though. It was all Tom. The band was just for touring, mostly.
@@SealofPerfection yep.
...except it wasn't the singer in this case.
I bought Mr. Goudreau’s solo album back in the late 1980s, and consider myself extremely fortunate to have found it in a forgotten clearance bin in a mom-and-pop record shop.
I enjoy the fruits of the musical labors of Mr. Goudreau and Mr. Scholz, but I feel obligated to point out that I’ve learned more about their lives in the last two decades, and I’m pleased with what I’ve learned about Mr. Goudreau, and very disappointed with what I’ve learned about Mr. Scholz. Kudos to Mr. Goudreau for making better discernments and choices than Mr. Scholz. 👏🏻
Believe it or Not,, I purchased a shit load of my Album collection when CD's first Came out! Hey LP';s went from about $9 a hit to around $5
I taped it on cassette off the radio, good album. Put that Hammer Down Honey! Lol
Congrats on all your success Barry. I'll be checking out your solo stuff now.
I appreciate Barry not only because he is a great guitarist, his backing vocals were always on point. With Boston, he seemed to be kept in the background and performed like a true soldier! Much respect to you, Barry.
Boston was never the same after Barry left. For a guy who went to MIT Tom Schultz wasn't very smart to get rid of him
One of the best debut albums of all time.
Barry is one of the great guitarists of our time! I'm glad he saw success in his life.
he might have seen it at one time but can you believe the lead guitarist of one of the most iconic bands of all time living in what looks like a prefab house? Crazy man.
@@mikeydrookie351 I thought the same thing
@@mikeydrookie351 and Tom Scholtz today is worth 100 million
That first solo in Long Time is the greatest solo in rock history. I was 13. Brought it to a school party, played that song, and blew 40 kids away. All of them instant fans. That solo alone was like nothing we ever heard. To this day, there is no equal.
Wow! Great interview. Before our band got signed I was working as an engineer in a studio in Cincinnati and a radio station brought RTZ in to do a live set on air from our studio. Barry was much more quiet and Brad was the nicest singer I’ve ever met in the business. He told us not to say the B word around Barry. After they played their single they played my favorite Boston song ever Foreplay and Longtime. Totally awesome!
Sounds like a fantastic experience! Lucky you!
The Radio station???? Wasn't WKRP, (in Cincinnati)??
@@rickcole6990 WKRP was fictional but the station was WKRQ fm and their am station was WKRC lol
Yeah I know,,, I wanted to be just like Johnny Fever! Lol @@blessidunion
I saw RTZ back in the day in Grand Rapids Michigan. Freezing cold out. About 30 of us got in the the front glass enclosed foyer area. Both Brad and Barry walked out and said to us (something like) thanks guys for waiting on the cold we’re almost ready to open the doors. What? Really surprised. I got to talk to Brad years later. Such a nice guy. My fav singers of all time.
I wish I did !
RTZ was in GR? I am from there, what year? I don't remember.
@@veltonmeade1057 it would have e been 1991-92. Album came out in 1991. It was over the winter when I saw em.
Barry played many good things, but to me (and others) HIS MASTERPIECE is undoubtedly "Long Time"...still one of the single most DYNAMICALLY MONUMENTAL pieces of rock guitar work in rock history. I love the first two albums, but Barry Goudreux should know, when he left the band, so did I. I'm a purist, and the band dynamic changed when he left.
So, Barry played all the lead guitar on Long Time? I always knew he did a lot of the guitar work but wasn’t sure exactly what was his.
@@jamestcallahanphotographer Tom Scholz basically recorded the entire first album himself with the exceptions of : Sib Hashian on drums except "Rock & Roll Band", which was drummer Jim Masdea, Brad Delp of course recorded all vocal parts, Barry Goudreau played all lead guitar on "Foreplay/Long Time". Sholz played all other lead & rythm guitar, bass, and organ parts--except for the Brad Delp written song "Let Me Take You Home Tonight", which is the only track on the album that featured the whole group.
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Barry Goudreau was also the creative lightning rod for the song "Don't Look Back" as well. So it's easy to see the effect he had on the group.
Boston was never the same after Don't Look Back. Part of the issue was that Rock music changed a lot in the 9 years between Don't Look Back and Third Stage. In addition, the loss of Barry can be felt in Third Stage as Barry was the most talented guitar player in the band. I saw Boston when they were touring in 79 and they played a song during the concert that they said would be on a new album and the song was bland. Third Stage was uninspired. Tom Scholz reminds me of Bruce Hornsby. They both had years to accumulate material for their first album and those albums were phenomenal. Both second albums (where they were under record company contract and pressure to produce another album) we're still very good but not as good as the first albums and both third albums were meh. They both faded into obscurity after their third albums. I think both Tom Scholz and Bruce Hornsby ran out of ideas quickly; however, Bruce Hornsby seems likeable and Tom Scholz does not. He is quick to sue anybody that says anything unfavorable about him such as Brad Delp's former wife.
Pretty sure Tom played ALL instruments except drums(Sib Hashian)...but hey, I wasn't there!🤣
whoever played the second solo on Long Time (Barry or Tom) committed to tape one of the best guitar solos ever... not very technical, but it sounds amazing
Barry............great human. Tom...........great musician.
Barry is a great musician. Tom was hired by Brad and Barry to be in their band. As a keyboard player. Learned and copied Barry’s sound and style.
@@jmac9313 No question about Barry's ability, I meant more that Tom isn't a great human in some regards.
U forgot Brad...what a gr8 human being!
1. Why did Tom snuff Barry's solid material, especially since he was being pressured by the record company to deliver on a new album, which ironically many people not surprisingly mistook for a lost third Boston album?
2. Barry stopped short of saying what he would have done differently given more time to complete his album. That sounds like what Tom has said about Don't Look Back.
3. Tom seems like a typical boss that fires his employees without cause or explanation. "It's my way or the highway." Such a shame that he couldn't have been more of a team player back in 1980.
One word. Control.
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@@gordoh7634 Yep…control + ego
Tom Scholz has never been an easy man with which to get along. He is a genius-and not really a nefarious individual-but he can sure rub people the wrong way.
Tom's skills are impressive, but nobody is more impressed with him than he is. It's one of those unfortunate things about intelligent people who mistake their skills for 'being a genius who should be in charge of everything' like that idiot who created the Twitter Fiasco.
As a rock / metal singer (IMHO) there is Brad Delp - and then there's everybody else! RIP Brad Delp.
The tale of Boston is a tale of what might have been (after the first two albums).
great albums - Amanda - made me laugh out loud - the lamest song I've ever been excited about with the exception of "Jump" and ZZ Top's Eliminator songs
@@davidrice3337 Amen. Take the blow out of any of those songs and recite the lyrics.
You might want to set an alarm before if you got shit to do.
Tom Schulz was a narcissistic talent. Having said that he totally underestimated the frontman’s talent, Brad Delp. Tom was responsible for the success and the failure of Boston.
Huge respect for Barry! An amazing guitarist! Loved his solo album and work with Orion the Hunter and RTZ! 👊🇨🇦
I'm a huge Boston fan. I bought the re-issued version of Barry's solo album on the Rockcandy label. It sounds great!! I wish Tom and Barry could put their differences aside and record together. In my opinion, Tom pretty much ruined Boston. They had so much potential for true greatness!
Why do you feel Tom ruined Boston??
Because Barry's guitar drove the melodies and Mr. Lawsuit, Tom Scholz couldn't handle that.
I loved Orion The Hunter and RTZ. Thank you Barry for all the inspiration and musical excellence. Boston raised the bar to new heights.
So You Ran!
Interestingly I just interviewed Mike Derosier and we spoke briefly about Barry and Brad and his time in Orion the Hunter 👍
@@profsteel8217 I loved that song. I got to see them headline a free show in Rhode Island in 1984. That was a great band. Really the first big concert I ever saw.
Tom Schollz was a strange guy; really talented and innovative but weird. He basically stopped the band in its tracks after the second album and then waited until the late 80s to do the third album. VH1 was supposedly doing a Boston ‘Behind the Music’ and he got it shot down because the other members killed him in it by just telling the truth.
“Is” a strange guy.
I have to agree. It was all Tom's fuckery! @@steverogers2603
It's all about Tom . Is the way I see it
He fought with record labels among others. He wanted his music to be perfect. But while doing that he lost his band to either petty disputes or because he didn't think they could do what he wanted. Then he eventually lost his record deal but fought with them because he was never finished with the album and record companies want product not promises. Then he sort of lost himself. He couldn't finish anything, he kept tweaking and changing things. He couldn't find people to work with so that added more time and practice to everything. Then I think he didn't feel he could top the first, or second record for that matter, and he never really did. He made decent music after the second album but they generally went down each one. Its sad that first album is amazing. But that's a lifetime of music. Everything else has to be made up new and that can be hard. Especially for a perfectionist.
@@TheEWFX29 And as we all know; times change. By the time he did get around to new albums, we grew up and moved on and the younger folks didn't listen to his music. I even moved on and got into the alternative rock music in the 1990s and loved it.
Barry was in a project in the mid 80s, Orion The Hunter. A song from that album was, "So You Ran," which generated much airplay on MTV.
I have that one. Great album! His new stuff from Barry Goudreau's Engine Room is good too. Just straight ahead rock n roll.
It was the song "DREAMS" and Barry Goudreaus first solo album by his own name that got him in trouble . Packaged as "Almost Boston "
Brad sang (at least) the single, didn't he?
@John James That may have been Fran Cosmo who later replaced Delp on Bostons 1994 album "WALK ON".
@@waltersimmons946 I just Googled it: Fran Cosmo on lead vocals, Brad Delp on backing vocals. Interesting.
I used to really admire/ idolize Tom Sholz. MIT grad, BOSTON, The ROCKMAN! Too bad he couldn't just be "chill" when the record company was promoting Barry's record. I'm now glad that I never met him.
Typical engineer, high intelligence and zero social skills. Sheldon Cooper of rock n roll....
If you judge entertainers by their offstage personalities or their ability to interact with colleagues or fans on a personal level, you'll often be disappointed. I have met a handful of entertainers when I was working at a casino which hosted music acts and comedians. My experiences were generally good ones. Willie Nelson, Tom Jones , George Thorogood , Pat Benetar , Mark Farner are a few who stand out as particularly friendly and easy going. Usually if I had a feeling that the act was going to be a pain in the ass I'd send one of my coworkers to deal with them. I managed to avoid unpleasant self important entertainers that way
@@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 "Separate the artist from the art" as they say. I always thought that way about Prince. You make me think of the angle that one MIGHT just be encountering the famous person when they are having a bad day... or they just dealt with a person who harassed them during a meal, airplane flight, etc.
@@DonnyOsmosis I was friends with a guitar player named Lonnie Mack ( who died the same day as Prince )who knew Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Eric Clapton, Jim Morrison, Keith Richards, Stevie Ray Vaughan among others when he was touring/ recording and working in A&R for Electra Records. With the exception of Janis Joplin he described all of these people as shy and kinda awkward around fans. That could result in some interactions that left fans thinking the person was inconsiderate or egotistic. Of course being famous in the 60s and 70s was an entirely different thing than today .
@@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 I would say you are "spot on" sir.
Barry is my first guitar teacher. I learned to play that first album note for note, on a crappy CheckMate acoustic dime store guitar. Barry's sound, tone, phrasing, are the foundation of Boston. Tom was Barry's understudy as far as I'm concerned. 50 years later, listening to Barry Goudreau's Engine Room, it's all confirmed. The current version of Boston is nothing more than a tribute band, the voice of Brad Delp is gone, and Barry's guitar still sounds like 1978..... Rock on.
Even Barry admits that he didn't teach Tom guitar and that the Boston tone was Tom's.
Barry composed and performed the lead work for Foreplay/Long Time, Don't Look Back
Spot on. Tom finally gives him credit for Forplay/Longtime on the remastered debut album.
His guitar solo in Used To Bad News is great too.
Did he really ? …yes, that track was MAGNIFICENT.
All of these years, I thought Tom Sholz wrote and played those guitar parts! WOW.
@@SquirrelTheaterno he essentially copied Barry's licks after the demo tapes they recorded and emulated his playing style and sound...Tom was a keyboard player first.
I never knew any of the backstory. I saw Boston at MSG,Brad was still with us ( great frontman and audience engager by the way, a true loss),so I must have seen Barry too. I rediscovered him last week because they opened for the Hollywood Vampires at Bethel Woods. I read the bio and watched some videos beforehand and thoroughly enjoyed the whole band! The whole audience did. A hidden gem! Hope I get to see Barry and band again.
Boston was always a big influence for me growing up in those times. I still remember seeing Boston in Utica NY on a snowy Thanksgiving around 1979. It wasn't until I was on my second Army tour in Korea that Third Stage came out. In the 90's my brother was asked by former Orion the Hunter, Fran Cosmo, to do some work with Boston. My brother turned down the offer at the time. I was always wondering what became of Irion the Hunter and Berry Goudreau. I've heard that working with Tom Sholz was not easy.
Scholtz had problems keeping the band together, period. I think he was the actual problem. I was done with that Band when the best lead singer in the world left.
Tom was a perfectionist. It’s nearly impossible to be able to work with people like that. Barry’s solo album that included Dreams was vintage Boston.
Tom S. feels the same way that Ric Okasek felt about The Cars - when he said: "I am The Cars." Tom would say: "I am Boston" - both statement are false.
After "Don't Look Back" the material got progressivily weaker with each album. Had Scholz allowed Brad and Barry to be included in the songwriting, the following albums would have been great!
Boston's debut album has to be up there as the best Rock & Rock debut album of all time. Every song was excellent! That type of music will never come back. So sad. What they call Rock & Roll today is a joke compared to the 70s & 80s Rock.
48 laws of power. #1 …. Never outshine the master!!! Scholz basically shut this guys career down! This is how the industry works! The controller doesn’t want anyone besides them to flourish and get money! I’ve been in the industry I’ve seen it all! Aside from being a bodyguard for platinum hip hop artists I also have 3 albums I completed of my own material! Although I was never accepted by the industry I am proud of what I have done!
What band did you play in
There are some entertainers who wouldn't let their own ego get in the way of success. Pete Townsend didn't mind if Keith Moon stole the spotlight. Same way with Jimmy Page and his excellent drummer. Both guys knew they were the undisputed leader of the band but also realized it's in everyone's best interests to let their talented cohorts shine .
@@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 that’s not how the majority of the players in the industry see it! They see it as … for example that light and money that Barry was going to get would be money scholz wasn’t getting and he didn’t like it! I also fault the people at the record label allowing scholz to shut down Barry’s career!
@@micktoombs1313 I was a bodyguard for platinum selling rappers and I went on to make 3 albums of my own independently!
@@ceetruth7419 I believe you are right. The best artists are secure enough with their own talent that they are willing to share the spotlight. I had a little 3 piece blues rock band in college. Cream and ZZ Top were the template although I didn't have any illusions that any of us were on their level as far as talent. It was my band , I chose the members , wrote the original songs we performed and named the band. I convinced a kid with incredible chops to join and play guitar knowing full well that he would be the focal point onstage because he was exceptionally talented, good looking and extroverted. I was and still am a bassist and sometime vocalist but Phil Lynott I am NOT lol. I knew that the dudes were there to hear our whizkid play and the girls were there to look at him and that was alright with me. If we'd been able to make a million dollars and travel the world I'd have been happy to do it with him in the spotlight. I just wanted to play and hopefully get some of my songs heard
Tom’s been on a never ending power grab ego trip since the beginning…
Yep!
Tom seems to not like giving credit where it's due ,but whatever he says You will always be a standing member of Boston in my and a lot of other peoples books.Saw you with them in '78 you guys played both albums all the way threw.
it's a story as old as time, if something isn't broken - just go ahead and break it anyhow!
I never knew until recently when Barry stated it, that Brad actually quit Boston when Barry was fired. It seemed like he was a member all along at least until RTZ. I remember seeing promotional material with RTZ that stated Brad was the former lead singer of Boston, but it had never made sense to me not knowing he had quit Boston, because Boston was a going concern and Brad was still performing with the band up until RTZ, and then afterward as well.
Sounds like bullshit, because Boston was on hiatus anyway.
I think Scholz legally dissolved the group…otherwise he would not have won suit against CBS/Epic. It is true that Delp quit Boston after Third Stage to join RTZ. He only rejoined after RTZ was dropped by WB because it wasn’t doing as well as thought. He wanted to work with Barry, and intended RTZ to be permanent.
Man I LOVE that RTZ record. i still listen to it several times a year... and it travels with me. One of my All-Time faves. Incredible music. Barry is such an awesome guitarist. I'd rather hear him play than Tom S any day of the week.
Tom has his issues, but he was a very melodic player. No one sounds quite like him.
Barry was the backbone of Boston! His guitar was the actual Boston sound. When He was put Boston wasn't the sane, you could hear it.
No
Lol no
Is it just me overthinking, or does it sound like Scholz was somewhat of a " control- freak" who wasnt too pleased at sharing the " limelight?"
No ! It's not just you.
I agree. I've read so much today regarding the past history of Boston that I've lost all respect for Tom.
Don't forget Barry was also in Orion the Hunter with former Boston bass player Fran Sheehan.
Indeed! I've just interviewed former Heart drummer Mike Derosier who was the drummer in Orion the Hunter, I asked him about working with Barry and Brad. that interview will be available in a couple of weeks 👍
I have that album...somewhere.
Tom Sholtz is why Boston never made another hit record. He killed that band all on his own. GREED.
I don't even think it was greed. Tom is definitely on the spectrum. Just a different cat.
I just bought the album after seeing this interview.....to me, this is Boston III, great stuff!!
In the late 70's and late 80s I played in a band. The lead guitarist was related to Tom Scholtz. In the 80s i played on Boston GBX bass amp with the band. I heard all about the in fighting that was going on with the band. I knew when they broke up when they got back together when they broke up again. For such a good band it was full of turmoil all the time. DELP and SCHOLTZ always fought. It is a shame. One only wonders if all that fighting lead to his suicide.
His suicide was from shame of getting caught surreptitiously placed a peeping tom camera in a woman's bedroom. Scholtz shouldn't get any blame for Delp killing himself. That's always been a bum rap on him.
@@PalindromeDesign There are many straws that break a person down. Not sure any 1 person or event did it. For all we know it may have started before Boston. But a starting place and an ending place aren't well defined these days. In out society we believe any 5 second video. Instead of looking at and listening to the full story.
But you are indirectly tarnishing Scholtz again, when he was actually writing songs and working hospitably with Delp at the time of his suicide. Delp had obvious mental health issues or he wouldn't have installed the camera and then he wouldn't have committed suicide after being found out, because he most likely couldn't bear up under the shame. His note only referenced being a "lonely soul", but he reacted after the shame of being caught "peeping'. Nothing happened with Tom Scholtz to trigger that. Scholtz should not be held even partly responsible for this tragedy. Delp was just a seriously messed up guy. @@michaelbelshaysr4525
@@michaelbelshaysr4525 How about saying something meaningful about what you're responding to instead of coming up with a bunch of meaningless middle-school stuff about 'society'.
Of course it did! Imagine being the frontman for the biggest selling debut hard rock album of all time then having it go to hell
Actually met Barry with the other members of the (RTZ) band promoting their tour when their first album came out. Was at Tower Records in Cherry Hill, NJ and sadly very few people turned out. I purchased the album & had signed by the band. Shame how things turned out. Think if the would have held on to the 'Boston' name the material would have attracted a lot more attention. Glad Barry is still out there playing & wish him the best! PS - Should mention that Brad and all the members of the band were extremely gracious when we met them. Friend I was with spent considerable time taking to Brad about Boston (area) where he lived for a couple of years and couldn't have been nicer.
Barry's current band called Barry Goudreau's Engine Room is fantastic. I've seen them several times here in Boston and there's always a good crowd that really enjoys the show. You can look them up on RUclips. Was never a big Boston fan but since seeing his recent shows I've gotten more into them.
I started watching this until I realized it wasn't Scotty Kilmer.
I grew up in Warwick, Rhode Island. When I was in HS in the mid-80s there was a rumor that Barry Goudreau lived in a modest ranch house in one of the neighborhoods but we could never figure out which particular house. No idea if that is true or not since a lot of guys back then had long dark hair, but us teens thought it was kind of cool.
Nice to hear from Barry! Takes two guitars for dual harmony leads 🙂!
Elsewhere, Barry has been very careful about this, but he has very carefully implied without coming right out and saying it that he was Tom Scholz’s first guitar teacher, which may be a part of why the harmony leads were so tight.
Remember, Scholz began as a keyboard player - he has noted that the first thing he wrote that became a Boston record was “Foreplay / Long Time”, which is very organ-forward.
I think Tom is a genius, worthy of his ego, but it would have been nice if he could have been more of a team-player, especially with super-solid bandmates like Barry Goodreau 🙂.
I remember the controversy when Goudreau’s record came out, and it *is* true that the way it was sold / promoted amounted to saying “this is Boston in-exile”, so I can see Tom’s point, too, although I think he was, as usual, a bit more of a hard-ass than necessary.
He shouldn’t have been all legal teeth-and-claws, because he was getting the lion’s share of the money through songwriting and publishing rights (which is as it should be).
Tom's bad reputation is likely partly deserved, but much of it grew from constant assertions about what an ass he was. That continues today, just look at the comment section here. Repeated assertions carry a lot of weight (which is unfortunate) but those asserting the nonsense have more in common with a useful idiot than any reasonable person. The actual evidence of Tom being such an ass is FAR less than most would like to admit.
Barry is a nice guy, but his storytelling of the beef between them is woefully inadequate to provide any person a decent understanding of what really happened. All of his interviews are the same in this respect. His take on Tom's reaction to the promotion of Barry's first album was simply unreasonable. 40+ years later, he still tells the same story and does not offer any change of perspective, and therefore it appears he still believes the promotion was not a clever thing Sony did but was honestly about "the other guy" on Boston who played very little guitar on the recordings. Yeah, that is how to promote an album. Sure. Again, Barry was and is simply unreasonable in this regard.
I was in a Boston area group and the music scene at that time and our guitarist and drummer knew Barry and Fran, the bassist, well. From what I was told, Barry basically was very instrumental (no pun intended) in "showing Tom the ropes" as far as playing and getting the great guitar sounds that helped make their debut album such a smash hit.
Producer John Boylan said that Barry helped Tom in his quest to learn how to play electric guitar. Boylan knew both Tom and Barry.
It's common knowledge that Tom Scholz WAS Boston on the first album, as he had written AND recorded all the music before hiring the rest of the musicians in order to tour as Boston. Who knows what his thinking was in firing Barry? It's a shame that he did it this way, and also a shame about Brad (RIP). But now I am going to search for Barry's solo album as well as RTZ because I loved Boston when they first came out and have always thought they didn't get enough credit for shaking up the music industry with their unique and powerful music. I wish I had heard of Barry's other music before now😞
Barry's guitar work is awesome. I love his song, So You Ran; great rock song!
You are the best guitarists around Barry🙏
I loved Barry's first solo album. Living in Massachusetts the first Boston album they almost give you at birth. I was 9 when it came out in 1976 and it was amazing but being that age you really dont know all the players if any really. But as time went on I became a huge music fan and all our local stations always played Boston. Each song on that album was played in major rotation. I knew the whole album before I ever had it. But my favorite station was WCOZ in Boston and they did push Barry's first solo album. But the song they always played was Leaving Tonight. I loved that song and to this day I still love that song best from that album. I miss that old FM radio playing whatever whenever they want.
I had a roommate back in 2006 to 2007 who grew up in Boston and he told me that he saw "The Cars" in a bar before they became famous.
@@veltonmeade1057 Yes I knew a couple of people who went to college who saw the Cars in concert in clubs when they were in school. I had a couple of other friends who saw Aerosmith in smaller places mid 70s up here too. I'm just a little too young to have seen those early shows. But I got to see Orion the Hunter at a free show in Providence. I never got to see the Cars. They played Worcester for their last album but I didn't like that album and I heard that was a lousy show. I missed Boston on the sold out string of shows in Worcester because they were sold out and the only show a friend had tickets too I was seeing Roger Waters in Providence the same night. I didn't like the Waters show and should have seen Boston. But I had just seen Pink Floyd without Waters and it was the best show I ever saw and I thought Roger might be as good but instead a lot of his solo stuff and it wasn't that good. Live and learn.
Excellent interview and excellent guitarist!
His solo on Long time is killer.
Amazing channel, some of the best rock music interviews in recent history!
Thanks for the kind words, Eric! Glad you enjoy my interviews 👍🤘
Met him at a party outside of BOSTON in August 2008. Cool guy.
Excellent questions on these interviews with effective yet respectful phrasing thereof.
Thank you for the kind words @div-atl6414
@@VRPRocks Aye. Thanks for the morning of interviews.
Orion The Hunter and RTZ were both awesome releases and i still have them in my music collection.
Forgot about RTZ. Excellent band!
@@pnwsounder1420 for sure brother! GREAT album! "until your love comes back around" , "devil to pay" , Face The Music" just a classic kick ass album...
@Jerry C. RTZ actually had 3 albums. The second and third were Lost and Found. A producer in Germany bought the rights to publish. RTZ had recorded enough tracks during the initial recording session and then the label folded. After RTZ Delp and Goudreau recorded a self titled album which is excellent. Very different.
If someone asked me who the "other" guitarist in Boston was, I would've said, Barry Goudreau. I never knew he was fired.
Sholz is a quality technician. You were fortunate to work with him.
I Remember the First that I Heard,More Than a Feeling,on the Radio!February of 77!I wasn't even 11,just started playing guitar,bout a year,earlier!I was Hooked!My cousin,even asked me,when I got the 8Track tape,Is That My Boston Tape!Nope,bought,with my Birthday Money!Take care Barry!I saw You,with the Rest of the Band,in Summer of 79,at the 1st day of Rockin Roll,in NOLA!Never 4 Get That!
There is no official "band" Boston. It's Tom Scholz's project. He can, and does...have whoever he chooses in it at any given time.
Nah, Tom is a genius but Brad is a generational talent. Boston is NOT amazing without brad
@@billm7035 that's not what I said though.
Man, that guy was a great guitar player! he could play right up there with Tom make no mistake. I don't get why they would ruin such a great thing? They would've been 5 times as huge stars. He reminds me of Steve perry's look but playing guitar! and he sounded great!
Good job , Barry. You were in great band but kept your chin up and produced good stuff. Best wishes.
Bravo, Barry! For a concept that was primarily Tom, Brad and the label’s insistence on touring, it’s a miracle these guys made the “band thing” work at all! (IMHO)
The album with Orion called The Hunter is a masterpiece from Barry!
I can hear who did those solos when I watch Boston live 1978 in that stadium. When Barry did the 'Long Time' solo, it was obvious.
Don't feel bad, I only bought the first two Boston albums anyway. Still, as a career musician , it must be extra tough to loose one of the few bands that ever "make it"
I’ve seen Barry’s new band the “Engine Room” a number of times & hung out with everyone in the band. I like them better than Boston…no lie. The songs have a maturity that you don’t get from 20 year olds. Brian Maes’s vocals are more edgy and masculine than Boston…Tim Archibald is a rock star, and Tony DePeitro the perfect anchor. The “secret sauce”…the rich vocal harmonies by MaryBeth, Joanie & Terry. “Layin’ it down” & “Time” from the first album are 2 of my favorite songs of all time. This is a world class band. ✊🍷🎩🎩🎩
Yes, should’ve won some Grammy’s within the last 5 yrs! The funny thing is: just like Brad, Brian can sing practically anything!
Barry Goudreau was Brad Delp’s brother-in-law at the time. Brad got caught in the middle between Tom and Barry. Brad Delp was a great guy. This world didn’t even deserve his presence.
I found an article earlier today re: Brad's suicide...his fiance said that Tom was responsible for the death. The last weeks of Delp's life were indicative of how far his mental health had slipped. I really felt for the guy after reading he left so many suicide notes that there was no way he could be saved.
No big deal , Barry .. ! Boston SUCKED after the first two records !
Disagree. Third Stage was killer!
@@OttoByOgraffey So was Walk On. These people don't know music, just radio gaga.
I agree, 3rd stage had two good songs on it, everything else was mush, and whatever that fourth one was was just bad. I hate that, because I absolutely love the first two albums and still see Tom Scholz as a huge influence.
@@keithpowell5336 Anyone who thinks that Walk On was bad probably never even listened to it. Idiots.
I love that Orion The Hunter album. Have it on CD. Play it often. I wish they would have stayed together and done more. IMO, Orion The Hunter was a million times better than the Boston Third Stage album. After Don't Look Back, Boston got worse for me.
RTZ !! That was my special favorite band back in the 80's - my friends just thought they were OK, but I loved them. I still have the CD from that time with the cool cover art, and it will always have a special place for me.
Barry's solo stuff with Brad singing was basically as good as Boston. It's a shame Tom had to work like that, I would love to have heard more original Boston.
i totally agree Ed, Tom's a genious and that's a fact, BUT, not smart enough to hold on to the very talented musicians that fully contributed and helped along the way, Barry and Brad for sure!! and that's left Boston playing pretty much the very smaller venues here in the US, that said, if Brad was still with us and Barry was part of it and Tom had the sense to create with them Boston could be playing the biggest venues like all the other legacy bands these days, Sadly, Boston's best days are behind i believe, and as much as i cherish the first 3 boston albums it is what it is.
I totally disagree….the only Boston like songs are “dreams” and “rockin away”. Barry is a very technically inclined guitarist…majority of his solos lack any real feel to them. In Boston his playing fit great but there’s a huge distinction between Tom’s playing and Barry’s….not saying he’s a bad musician but leagues away from Boston
@@strattt10 I’m saying Tom’s better lol
@@strattt10 I think I was drunk or high cuz even I just said wtf was I talking about ☠️😂
@@joshgrant824 I just realized that, oops sorry! I deleted it! haha!
Those first two albums were probably the best back to back albums any band has put out not one bad song.
Their debit LP is perhaps the best and most perfect debut LP of all time..
Def Leppard.
Barry's first studio solo LP should have been used to replace the filler material from Boston's Third Stage LP which combined would have been a HUGE record. It's basically Boston without Tom, Barry thinks it was rushed but it still sounded killer. Tom really needed to say to Barry and Brad "hey guys great songs! let's wait and hit the studio in early 81 and make a killer 3rd record". But egos got in the way and the rest as they say is history.
I remember for years I was sure the song "Dreams" was the B side of some Boston single. It sounds more like them than a number of TS songs, which sound more like some cover band doing Boston-like material. Scholz didn't appreciate what he had in the original lineup, especially with Barry.
@@brianshaffneraclc Ya'll got it backwards, "basically Boston without Tom" was a hijacking that showed it was barry and them who didn't appreciate Tom. All they wanted was quick money. Buncha disloyal losers.
@@Derideo LMAO, the pathetic crybaby fanboy has entered the chat. Why don't you blubber about it some more?
You also have to make a living. Scholz got all the publishing and royalties. I’m not sure how the touring was split, but I’d imagine Scholz got more than the others. If he wanted to run things that way- fine. But those other guys weren’t making any money while Tom played basketball and fought lawsuits.
@@michaeldalton8374 I read an interview with Tom Scholz a while back and I believe he said the songwriting royalties on the first album were split three ways between him Delp, and Goudreau. He further stated only he and Delp were under contract with CBS and that the other three were essentially hired hands for Boston.
Saw RTZ in Houston at a nightclub, $5.00 to enter, deal of the decade, they were great. Afterward we went around back of the building where the tour bus was parked. We hung out a few minutes and Barry came off the bus reeking of weed, my friend told him "Barry you smell good" Barry just laughed.
😂 rock star behaviour right there!
Yes, obviously the first 2 Boston albums were the best and most successful. Everything that followed them were a disappointment. You are one of the greats! Thank you for being close to your fans, unlike Tom, who is not at all.
Brad's first solo record is really great and, to me, is the missing Boston Album between DLB and Third Stage.
I always thought Barry's album was very rushed almost like they were unfinished Boston demo songs or something. Worse yet both Boston (all albums) and Barry's first solo, RTZ and Orion the Hunter all seemed to use the same pool of musicians, so comparisons were always going to happen. I wouldn't my work always compared to something like Boston but when you use their singer and many other members it's going to be and that's a high bar to overcome. I always thought if Barry got away from the "Boston sound", he would have been better off. Maybe a bit of metal with a mix of blues, who knows....
I purchased B. Goudreau band album as soon as it hit stores, followed all you and Bradley muisl always,Delp &Goudreau songs I think Bradley was in distress somehow listen to them Barry your guitar skills in answering his vocals doesn't happen often,like the band Head East ,two lead vocalists tht sound almost identical miss what could of been great partnership one can only imagine. Thank you! The rhythm won't stop.
I remember the song, "So you ran" from Barry's band, Orion the Hunter. Loved that tune!
Barry G is an amazing guitarist
Oh trust me....even in local cover bands there are egos, opinions, betrayals etc.
I met Tom during his year hiatus from Boston in San Francisco. He was producing Sammy Hagar‘s record at Wally Heider’s Studios. As I recall, they were working in studio C.
Having spent my late teens/early 20s as a guitarist in various bands, it's common for this to happen. Van Halen took to firing founding members (Michael Anthony, David Lee Roth), Deep Purple lost Ritchie Blackmore, Beatles lost John Lennon, Cheap Trick lost their drummer, Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Yardbirds, on and on.
It was a good reason to find a totally different career. Ego and bad attitudes were not the only reason but the "limelight-seeking ego" curse seems to destroy any band that had a chance of really LONG TERM success.
Boston went away, for all effective purposes, after the 2nd album. Okay, one member may have some 'edge' over other members. Fine.
"I'm better at the things I feel are important so I can get rid of everyone else"
ALMOST ALWAYS KILLS THE BAND, that attitude. Almost always.
I'm not one to judge the internal struggles of bands. If you're not a musician that has lived the band life then you can't imagine the difficulty in just getting a band off the ground to begin with, let alone taking a band to national or international prominence
I heard one or two song from that album on radio at least once. There were people who would buy the record many interested.
Boston was not a band. Boston was Tom Schultz, and a collaboration of hired musicians.
thats 1000% correct.
Schulz is a prick…
I didn’t think Boston was a real band anyways. TS recorded all the instruments and BD, sang. A “ band” was only pieces together for touring.
Every person that comes out of nashville has the same band! Studio musicians. As well as most 60s,70s,80s groups.
Not true Barry did a lot of playing on the first album and second album. ForplayLongtime is Barry.
@@hbrookes Yep. Wrecking Crew, The Section, Stax Volt band, etc
Tom played all the instruments on the albums, the only thing he didn't do was the vocals. Tom got the record deal before he even had a band. the band was formed for the tour
Well, Sib Hashian did do all but one of the drum tracks on the first two albums, but you're basically correct...Tom did everything except vocals and drums.
To me it matters not who did what. To 7 year old me hearing this album in 1976 turned me on to rock n roll. It was the first album I ever bought. Still in 2023 my favorite album of all time. In my opinion their debut is the greatest album ever recorded. It is the only album that was played in its entirety every day on rock stations for over 40 years. Not Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or even the Beatles can make that claim. However, that album doomed them. It can’t be topped. It hasn’t been yet and it never will be topped. Just not possible.
Don't Look Back was better.
I agree. There’s two debut albums that are the best in Rock. Boston 1 and Van Halen 1!
Absolutely. You can also add The Cars debut to the list also.
"it matters not who did what"-- why would you admit to total ignorance like that and then expect people to take you seriously, especially when you're blurting out crap like "it is the only album that was played in its entirety every day on rock stations for 40 years"-- I mean, wtf are you thinking? What stations? Which ONE did that, if any? You're just a shameless fan making up total bullshit.
I think it's in the best interest of artist to do what they really want and not try and disguise things. I love Boston and Megadeth. However, those bands should have been called Scholz and Mustaine. There's no way those two would give up creative control. Be up front with the public and band members. Being a member of a "band" leads the members to believe they have some kind of say in it. That happens to lots of bands that are obviously controlled by one or two members. Eagles, Kiss are just a few examples. Now the Stones, that's a band.
I was just about to reply to your comment about the Eagles and their disgusting greed but you beat me to it...
Henry and Frey, such sad individuals.
Another great interview and Boston were in a league of their own.
Well, I bought Barry's Solo when it came out. Even re-bought it on vinyl just recently. Tom only wanted to work in spirts. He didn't understand you needed to tour and make albums or you faded away. The blame for Boston dying goes to Tom.
Wow, brings back great memories and great music. I remember going to watch Boston and Raleigh, North Carolina. They were the headliner. But the band that opened up the show. Was Van Halen. , And they had to take a whole lot of guts. But I remember when Boston finally came out. And they were not disappointing at all. They were very, very commendable.
On what they were doing. But I remember tommy show jumped off of the rider and feel Straight back on his back in the middle of a solo and I could tell it hurt. Because we were right by the stage, but he never missed a beat.
It's a shame what happened to this band and what it could have been.. But these words are very very talented people
Thank you Barry Goudreau for all your work to include Orion the Hunter and RTZ. I still listen to them regularly. But this is just another example of how the "master mind" and "wizard" of Boston, Tom Schultz, attempted to destroy the band. Despite the very low output, Tom Schultz was obviously working overtime to screw up everything and must have been a real egomaniac with no business sense to attempt to replace real talent with some chic and think nobody would notice. The band was Boston's mojo but Shultz must have been to dumb to realize it.
He signed my vinyl sleeve of Boston's debut LP!