The Tragedy of Star Wars: The Old Republic (Death of an MMO | SWTOR)
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Star Wars: The Old Republic, or SWTOR for short, was the biggest budget video game of its day. With a production cost that soared into the hundreds of millions, this new MMORPG was meant to change everything in the online game universe, dethroning the King of MMOs, World of Warcraft, once and for all. However, rather than releasing to a massive success, this game quickly sunk and burned, despite all the years that went into its development. Why though?
In this video, we are taking a trip to a galaxy far far away to learn what happened to SWTOR and why the game ultimately failed to meet player's expectations. We will cover not only the game's history, but it's difficult launch and slow decline over the years as well. Join us into this journey as we explore the death of another MMORPG - Star Wars: The Old Republic from Bioware.
CHAPTERS
0:00 The Next Big MMO
1:12 The Early Days of SWTOR
6:06 Bioware's Biggest Mistake
12:59 Development Struggles Behind the Scenes
17:09 SWTOR's Launch and First Impressions
21:56 Everything Goes Wrong
25:54 The Slow Decline of SWTOR
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Not only is this a short-sighted video using mostly only western viewpoints...its also not researched well at all.
It completely ignored that LucasArts already wanted another MMORPG because Star Wars GALAXIES was dying. It only made SENSE to make another MMO based on a successful RPG series. Also, WoW was not the only god damn MMORPG making massive amounts of money. By 2010 NDoors games was the biggest gaming company on the planet, and all from the massive amount of income they were making on their MMOs the previous 8 years...for fucks sake, we have cash shops in our games because THEY made so god damn much off of them before even EQ2 and Lotro put theirs in back in what was it 2006-2007?
The gaming industry knew what you clearly did not and EA was looking with yearning eyes at trying to figure out how to do it when SWTOR was being greenlit but HAD NOT DONE IT YET. That came years LATER and thus even your rant about EA was wrong which doubly pisses me off because I HATE seeming like I am defending that shit company.
Next, the idea that "Fans were not happy" because they wanted another Kotor...those were the majority of SWTORs early players and they LOVED IT. SWTOR was the second most successful western MMORPG within its first year because fans wanted what was basically KOTOR online. The damn game sold over 2 million copies before going F2P at a time when the only other MMO with over 1 million players in the WEST was WoW...A game that have over 12 million active players in 2011 and you taking a couple of random posts from forums means nothing, you can find a couple people giving opinions about ANYTHING and its clear those posters only have a few comments and are not actual members of the community.
For fucks sake, Knights of THE OLD REPUBLIC...Star Wars THE OLD REPUBLIC...you think fans did not think they were getting a KOTOR sequel?!? Jesus, talk about trying to re-write history. I cant even begin to tap on the nonsense that follows after this about the writer acting as if the most loved thing about this game from the community was the core class STORIES...
Your video, came off like trash and not even remotely well researched. Almost a "I need a rage video" let me toss one together. Sad.
Before level 80 its still one of the greatest MMOs there is considering most people want to compare fantasy with sci-fi and it's apples and oranges
Personally I just started playing this game a few months ago & I am enjoying the hell out of the origin stories of each character.
They really are the best part. I could play those over and over again if I didn't have to pay sub to not deal with the shitty restrictions.
If the best thing you can say about what's supposed to be a sprawling universe for people to live a digital life in is it makes a good book then it's failed as a game.
You won't once you realize that they should have all been one story and that there's several things that couldn't happen in one of them if something does or does not happen in another one. The plots are all twisted up too. Like some of the motivations of the MC are wrong for their class and some of the really important crew mates actually need to be swapped around. Originally SWTOR was supposed to be KOTOR 3 and you can really tell that when you compare all of the Force user stories to Revan's entire story.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. you are the only person who cares about those things trust me
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. you are trash
I loved this game between 2013-2015, best mmo experience I've ever had.
Combat balance. So simple reason. I remember soloing heroics was an art, and difficult. Now your companion can solo, and you just stand and watch, and clap.
Eh I loved marvel heroes better
@@CashmoneyM that game was so bad
Yes, stuff like that is what made me quit the game. I used to love trying to solo the heroics
I would say it’s almost better than KOTOR
Nah I just resubbed, quit playing battle royals to come back and play this gem. I love the RPG and story’s man. I’ll always come back to this game
It's not dead but I will always be playing this game. Everyone should play this MMO. It has around 200,000-300,000 players so I wouldn't call it dead or dying.
I've been subbed to SWTOR since the big lull in Legion before Suramar came out. I jump in every month or so and for every expac. It's still fun to play, still has content updates, they changed the classes to hybrids, and now moved to a caretaker studio who will give it more love. It's actually a good time to jump in!
Thank yall for saying that I was thinking they shut down or something
@@contentcrusader1776 Same lol, I was like what? I played it this morning.
Yeah, SWTOR is not dead. I can't count how many times I read or heard this or that MMO is dead. WoW is dead, LotRO is dead, SWTOR is dead, ESO is dead and so on. Yes, I will admit, all of those games nowadays don't have as many subscribers as they had. But there are still many people playing and hopefully enjoying those games.
there is 2 versions of dead, 1. lack of content in updates and 2. lack of players he is talking about the first one.
Man, SWTOR was the game that got me truly hooked on MMO's, still have fond nostalgic memories of this game. Still login and play for awhile when I'm craving a good story in an MMO, but I never find myself playing for too long before moving on to something else.
BioWare didn’t develop KOTOR2. That was Obsidian.
As a single player game, its actually ok...i love playing as my sith alts and the story for each was pretty good and the eternal throne was AMAZING! ive got some fond memories of playing it and i jump in every now and again to have a look!
It's okay as a single player game... and could be miles better were it actually built to be one.
@@immortalfrieza Its honestly felt more and more like a single player game, you can do dungeons etc on your own, hardcore zones are now soloable so you dont really have any reason to talk to other people that much!
@@voidfoxx5921 Maybe it's going down that road now, but the game still wasn't designed to be one, it was designed to be an MMO and thus the MMO conventions are everywhere.
@@immortalfrieza yeah at the start you need to group up more but they changed you companion to now be a basically immortal healer or tank which takes away some of the mmo part of things. Its still a solid single player experience but it could have been like that to start with
@@voidfoxx5921 Right. Now they're trying to make it more singleplayer friendly... but it's still built on the foundation of an MMO. There's a lot that would've been vastly different had the game been made to be a singleplayer game, even if the storytelling was exactly the same.
With videos like these, it will hardly encourage people to go play it.
Who wants to play a dead game? Few years ago it was hellavalot of fun.
Yeah, kind of bull. The game is making a ton of money for EA and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It has a pretty good-sized community still, it's just more niche is all. They're still rolling out content that's actually pretty solid.
Videos like this try to trick people into thinking it's dead just because it's not pulling mainstream MMO numbers.
it is not dead and its still going strong
I just started playing this the other day and there’s still brand new players like me joining everyday
For me SWTOR started to go down after they destroyed the Eternal Fleet after spending all that time trying to get it they just remove it utterly in a half baked story and we ending up right back were we started with the Empire vs Republuc like nothing changed at all
Why does bro keep saying "KOTAR" 😭
This is one of my pet peeves as well. Everyone and their mother says KOTOR, with a clear O sounds. Yet, there are always people who don't adhere to the common conventions.
Both eternal empire expansions have one of the best stories told in Star Wars history, i'll never forget how good it was.
That’s no lie, and should be made into a movie
Still playing it , i still see alot of people in game, more than other games mmos . They just changed whos taking over the game, theres still updates for it coming in . So i dont think it will "die" i more than a few years.
I met my best guild family I've ever had through that game and I still play with those people too, it was a great game for 3 years but it killed itself. But I'm glad I did play just because of those friends I've made
far longer than 3 years.
Love your Videos
And you was talking about so much thinks I was thinking about too the last times.
Thank you
This was certainly a fun experience when I use to play it. Literally went through all class stories in base game and how they all relate to each other in some small way but sometimes in a big way as well. I did became a bit disappointed that they streamlined the Main storyline to be more based on which Side you are on rather than making each class have their own unique story. However, it is understandable since it can be difficult to make the story unique all the time for every single class and have to account for almost every single detail the players made in past events for their Main storyline. The Agent storyline will always be my favorite out of the 8 class storylines due to how unique the experience is to a point every action can end up preventing from accessing the Double Agent ending if you made the wrong choices at a specific moment. It is a shame they never really follow up on the Double Agent ending much since they only created small scenes for the Agent that ended up with the Double Agent ending.
Only part I never experienced was the Raids because I did not have much time to dedicate to a actual Raid team schedule so I missed out on a big chunk of the story for SWTOR that can only be seen through playing the raids and unique small dialogue changes to our character's main storyline based on if our character did the raid storyline or not.
I just got into it, and im having fun, plenty of people still running around and doing activities. Although im not the biggest star wars fan, just an mmo fan, i feel the gameplay, story, and option for grouping with others refreshing compared to many other games out atm.
Nix - I'm a new viewer. Youre great at content creation. Glad I found this channel!
I’m enjoying you game retrospective videos Nixxiom. You make them really interesting because you have a deep knowledge of and respect for lore. I played SWTOR from release for 4 years. I loved it but they just didn’t have enough end game content. The raids were really interesting, there just weren’t many of them. Also, they started releasing raids on normal which we would play for months. Then they would release a hard mode version of the exact same raid. This got to be really tedious and I eventually lost interest.
Hello to any of my Stoic guildies out there! Stoic is still my favorite guild ever. Donuts!!!
Death of an MMO seems a bit over the top I think its still an amazing game, and last time I was playing it had quite a few players and guilds and groups, I hope your wrong! Though another well made video again!
It gets clicks. People love dramas
Its a death MMO for veteran players of the game. If u log in the game right now, what u will see most are new players that just started playing the game, which is why is not totally dead, cus new players keep coming and going. But most of the veteran players already stopped playing and paying for subscription.
That's incorrrect. I'm a SWTOR founder and still play it to this day. @@SkylerStarkweather
@@jojodelivery5916 Well, I said most of the veteran players, not all of them. I still play from time to time as well, but I don't pay subscription since last year. And I really don't spend a lot of time in this game anymore, so it's pretty dead to me.
Were you a sweaty tryhard pvper and thats why the game is "dead"
This game hooks you hard, but finishes like a single player game. Once your done, your done. You can come back every few months and catch up. Not like on wow where if you are behind you are BEHIND. So it has its positives and negatives. Its all about the story and role play. Classes feel fun. However, there is just not THAT much at all. Thats a good problem to have but they just dont have the man power to keep pushing out big expacs and keep it fresh.
Yeah. ME and everyone I know.. We play the game like a single player RPG where you can meet your friends between dialogues.
@@Kira110lol Yeah thats basically how I enjoy it as well, Its space barbies at times. I love making looks and enjoying the story, meeting some interesting people. But the game should have been marketed and developed as a Multiplayer online Rpg the game just cant handle anything Massive without lag and problems.
@@shawnbanks222i think that's just an issue on your end brother. Never had any lag or issues like that
The reason why it finishes like a single player game......is because literally everyone mentioned it felt like a single player game. This is why everything starting with Knights of the Eternal Empire started to flatout BE single player story.
The game is an unofficial Kotor 3.
For YEARS the pvp in this game was really really good, open world pvp on pvp servers were lit, pvp arenas and battle grounds was amazing. but they ended up abandoning every aspect of the game except for the story and even then it takes years to get 5 minutes of story added lol
I loved this game for so long, truly sad to see the emense potential it had end in this way. 😭
I still play KOTOR and KOTOR 2 about once a year. I still love both games, even 20 years later.
Really well made retrospective, Nixxiom. Your content just gets better and better, bro, well done.
great job on on the vid💯💯
I remember playing this game before all the bullshit updates, that made the game super easy to play and destroyed hybrid classes.
Even the world pvp was alive at that time. It was the best time for me, hunting players in the contested worlds and playing pvp in huttball. The best days of MMO for me since Star Wars Galaxies.
I also remember those golden days.. Well summed up ^^ 😮💨 Lil above i made a semi similar comment to @scottboyer8450 📜
I remember that time. Open World PvP was awesome. So many ppl enjoyed. Times when there were daily big clashes on Tatooine.
@@leonardomuniz8253 BR né? Eu lembro de como eu parava as missões no meio só para sair procurando player inimigo no mapa kkkkkk eu sabia aonde tinham missões da República e ficava esperando os desavisados chegarem kkkkk mas não só fazia isso com o povo de mesmo lvl que eu pra ser divertido. Era foda cara, além de huttball pqp, dava pra jogar aquilo o dia inteiro que cada partida era diferente uma da outra. Saudades de jogar com meu sniper e meu operativo. Já fui um dos melhores operativos do servidor na época.
@@vutsxx Sim kkk bons tempos. Todo dia era dia de pvp. Fazia o mesmo. Tinha tbm as rotas de baú, antes da economia estourar, 💵 era só rodar e sair matando 😂 O legal era logar na outra facção tbm e ver os alertas na outra facção e dava pra instigar a guerra. Joguei mais com Mara e Jug.
@@leonardomuniz8253 era foda mesmo kkkkk eu pegava bem com Sniper, Operador e o Inquisidor Sorcerer. Jugg infelizmente nao upei na época do Smash OP que dava crit em todo mundo depois de saltar kkkkk pqp, era lindo. 6k era um dano absurdo, 9k então pqp. Lembro que meu maior dano tinha sido com o Sniper, usando Ambush, critei em 15k na época. Arrancava metade da vida pra mais essa porcaria kkkk era foda
hey at 9:22 WHAT is that footage? where is that from???
love that you took a screenshot of the dutch fifa lootboxes :)
Excellent video 👍
You have to make more videos like this. 10/10!!!!!
Great video dude!
Im still gonna play it because i love it. The games fun to play.
Game is still here and people can play it right now and have one of the best star wars experiences available, and the majority of the story content is free and not money-gated.
Thats not enough to keep veterans like me around. They changed alot of things thus rendering the game dead.
Bad choices killed this game.
uh this game is very much alive with a steady fan base never died still goin strong XD
SWG: Nobody can top the epic fail that was the NGE!
SWTOR: Hold my lightsaber!
True that.. :( We still need SWG2.. Then Swtor the Horrid low bootmapped character models via poor old Alpha Hero Engine to be Dumped into ditch 🤞 Kindly: Swtoer since it's beta days to four and half first years forward. Then couldn't stand the 'Keeping Up With The Valkorions' bullcrap so took a few years break. Once back from break, i was able to stay for two months until noticed that uhh still same ol clunky animations.. 👾
Also flat character visuals even when settings cranked to max with good Rig & so on.. Still even today watered down player companions that are like terminators & not to forget all of em terrain stuck glitches.. 😮💨 [Even created my profile to Swtor's website year plus before beta days arrived. So much excitement down to drain in less than five years after launch. Le Sigh] ☹
I remember how my friend started playing SWTOR right after release, and I was in his home for a visit, for a weekend, when I watched him finish installing the game, and create his character - Inquisitor - , and I was honestly stunned by all the dialogues, cutscenes, voice acting... I was a WoW player and I expected something like a WoW in space
Story is the best content of SWTOR, and the main reason why I play it. I treat it more like classic singleplayer Bioware RPG, with MMO aspects. I do group content quite rarely with my guild, only story or vet Ops every once in a while, but most of the time I just make a new alt, and play with outfits and colors (Space Barbie :D ). Honestly I never had so much fun in any other game, just by playing with fashion, outfits, colors... I also like to do "cosplays" like for example something from 40K, and then play Random Warzones with my costumes
i still sub and havent cut it off since 2012. I love SWTOR. I hope we get new content at this new studio.
lol
lmao even
After watching Madseason’s video on Star Wars galaxies, this video is just as good and very much appreciated about the other Star Wars game. I never played it but I sure learned a lot, thanks Nixxiom. EA is really unfortunate. I wonder how you feel about Activision acquiring Blizzard and the difference. I know Vivendi owned but I don’t think Vivendi directly influences blizzard but I could be wrong.
i started at launch and had been there till shadow of Revan boy let me tell you the raids where glorious if you wanted a challenge boy you got it. Heroic was Hard and Nightmare deserved the name. i had so soooo much fun raiding with my guild my friends we were barely a full raid groupe, at our hight we had a cassual raid groupe aswell still we where major players seconde to best guild on the server well conected doing world events with several other guilds. boy those where the days never again have i had so much fun with such a greate comunity in an mmo but with shadow of revan it went downhill you could have called it an exodus people where leaving in droves servers where merged more then once and swtor had changed i returned several times playing for a month or 2 catching up on the story but 4 month ago was the last time for me....the game has become a raped beaten bastardisation of what it once was there is close to nothing remaining it is forever twisted beyond recognition and i can no longer feel the bond we once shared its a god damn tragedy.
sorry englisch is not my main language
This has always been a pretty solid i really need to go back and try the newer expansions
SWTOR was my first ever physical collector's edition I ever bought. My friends and I were obsessed with it, did the Betas and all. My MMO addiction was real to it too, had a blast with it, despite running it on a potato PC. Still the best narratives in MMOs (with choices, I'd say FFXIV is #1 for linear main story).
As you said, many really did feel a bit torn between whether SWTOR was an RPG and MMO and it was missing a bunch of QoL things that competitors like WoW had - even simple things like chat boxes. I think they definitely fucked up with the engine choice and being too similar to WoW. If they had tried to separate themselves a bit more in the gameplay aspects from WoW, it might've garnered a better and more profitable nice. Perhaps in another universe, a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...
Completely forgot about Hamburger Helper lol, thnx for the memory
Makes me sad, this was my favorite MMO, played it every day until it went F2P, that was the day the game died, I have tried going back multiple times throughout the year but it is just a dead, milked husk of what it once was. Damn you EA.
Still playing…. Might give szn of discovery a try. But i will always be on swtor
"'If you break from theme, you're trying to hard'' This is my spirit animal.
Can you try "Echoes of angmar" its classic lotro private server and do commentary on that?
I remember being excited for a star wars mmo on release and only playing for a month before returning to other mmos because end game, wish the Free to play model had been better TT
honestly a while back i fell deep into it and got sucked back into the world and the community was still amazing compared to other niche/mmos aswell as consistent and all over the place making it still a very social game even the low level population was better and more full than i expected and the patch/intro to next expansion sort of thing that aws coming around ended up being pretty cool to expanding into the madalorian side of the world which most star wars people are crazy for
Hey its been like 12 and a half years and its still going. I remember people predicting its end like 6 months after it launched.
@Nixxiom thank you for all the hard work on this and some insight I never knew. I hope you do this for all the mmo's you enjoyed back in the day. Again thanks for the content
i still like playing it to this day
Been playing this game since 2013. Co Run the third largest guild on SS and still love this game.
Hiya 🎉🎉
Your guild leader hates you. I heard it
The crazy guild leader that won't let people eat?
#freedomforzel
#feedblue she needs to eat.
The 8 unique Class stories are awesome.. what came after is crap because no matter what your Class is you're playing the same story on each character which can get very tedious
It's odd hearing Nixxiom pronounce Kotor as Kotar.
This is why I hate mass consolidation. It's all about RoI. They also chose the Hero Engine. I never understood why. I had hopes for this game and had fun leveling for the first half but you could tell quality started falling off. My friends then hit end game and quit so I left as well.
I got the collector's edition of this game; just threw out the giant box recently. My brother has the statue somewhere.
From the weekend open beta before launch all the way to through Shadow of Revan this MMO gave me the happiest days of my life.
just started playing the game! Honestly, kinda feels like the game won't die but most likely wont be getting bigger than maybe at max 25k-30k people on at once... usually seen pop (steam only, didnt know that most players use the official launcher) was 3k-12k. Story mode was amazing and the end game content and cosmetics are all just so cool. Glad i found this game but wish i found it a lot sooner!
I've been on and off WOW for much longer, but SWTOR was the longest consistent game i've ever played, absolutely loved it until it began falling apart
2:38 you have no idea how much this theme excites me..
this game was thriving until EA made the worst decision and fired a bunch of people this isn't the first time they did that. they did it with battlefront 2 the game was doing very good and they pulled the plug. its almost like they don't like star wars games.
yea its sad, like the eternal empire storyline was really the last big content we got. Which is sad I think.
Os caras reclamando de pouca gente online e eu so queria legendas em pt-br pra deixar ele perfeito. Esse é de longe o melhor jogo de rpg q eu ja joguei..
PFFT! I have been playing since 2012 and have never stopped playing. I play through the heart ache, and I won't quit anytime soon.
I was there 3000 years ago, on Ilum, combating win trading.
I love SWTOR. I love KotOR 1 and also KotOR 2. I was addicted to WoW back in the Burning Crusade & WotLK days. I managed to quit WoW cold turkey when I passed my boards and got my license, which was right around the time SWTOR first came out. I purposely didn't play it until a few years ago because I knew I would get sucked in and it would be worse, since I love Star Wars lore so much.
Now, maybe it had a lot more problems in the first years after release, but I didn't have any technical problems, other than my laptop overheating because it wasn't really made for games. On your point about them not being able to decide if it's an MMO or an single player RPG, I disagree and it's actually one of the things I like most about it. It's the story I care about, and I wasn't really interested in PvP war games, getting involved in guilds, or spending hours waiting for some large group of people to do an operation. I never did a raid in WoW. I did play a little in the wargames, just to see them and get the lore of them, but i didn't want to spend a bunch of time grinding to get better equipment I didn't need to play the actual story.
For me, SWTOR was an interesting third option, not a normal MMO and not a normal RPG, sort of in the middle, but also sort of it's own interesting thing. It was more like 8 individual single player RPGs, 8 distinct KotOR sequels, with some MMO stuff as connective tissue. I played all 8 class stories like it was my full-time job for months during lockdown and I really liked all of them. In WoW, it got boring because you had very few class specific quests, it was mostly all the same quests for every class, but with SWTOR, you can play all 8 all the way through without a lot of overlap. Sure, I liked some class stories more than others and parts of some more than parts of others, but I thought they did interesting things in storytelling for all of them, making them distinct story genres that made it worth playing them all. I played them all through the main story to Illum. From there, I only continued with the PCs I wanted to play the most in the expansions. I think I ran the Hutt one with my Smuggler and Bounty Hunter and Shadows of Revan with a Jedi and a Sith.
After that it gets a bit murky. I still didn't finish all the Valkorian Alliance stuff or anything after, but overall, if I compare it to KotOR and WoW, I think it does an interesting job of threading that needle. It is 8 KotOR sequels and you can level up adequately only taking the more general planet quest lines that actually makes narrative sense for your character. I think I only fully did all the general planetary quest lines with a few characters, 1 or 2 on light and dark. WoW is maybe 50/50 single player fun / MMO stuff and I like that SWTOR is more like 60/40 or 70/30. All the MMO stuff is there. You can do guilds dungeons runs and PvP games and all that stuff, it's there, but I like that you can skip a lot of it without it impacting the narrative of your character. With the Flashpoints it's easy enough to do a run through with a random group, although it was often too much of a speed run to really take your time exploring them. The Operations I never did, I do with I had done each one once, just to see the story aspect, but It was always too time consuming to even get into a group to then wait hours until you actually play through it. So, I just read what happened when I got there.
yeah the fact that it felt to much like a single player game was my main gripe about it for the year i played.
I remember when SWTOR went live. It was a beautiful game, but I still had issues with the mechanics and how railroaded I felt going through the maps. Before I played TOR, I played SWG (Star Wars Galaxies) which is a very different game from TOR. For one, SWG was a sand park video game meaning they gave you an entire galaxy and told you to do whatever you wanted. When the NGE launched, it simplified things, but it was still more open-ended than TOR. You could choose to be a neutral spacer making his way through the galaxy, a freedom fighter in the rebel alliance, or a member of the galaxy-spanning Galactic Empire. The classes felt iconic and each one had mechanics and missions that were very thematic and immersive into the star wars universe. Granted there were also a lot of bugs with the game, but it was a game built actual gamers and many of which were star wars fans. There even was a member of the team that just did random events and roleplayed as NPCs (even iconic ones) through the game. Sometimes he'd even interact with impressive guilds and their cities as Leia, Han Solo, or Darth Vader and more. The game as a whole felt very much alive and like I could travel beyond the beaten road and experience something amazing. There were plenty of easter eggs and little nods to the movies and novels too. like finding debris of the death star on Yavin 4. Also I have never seen a star wars space simulator come close to SWG's space mechanics and how vast it was.
They put you inside a ship that you could customize and build (though paint textures were lacking from Imperial ships which made sense and I loved 'em for it) and let you cruise through the galaxy, jumping to lightspeed and everything else. SOE did a pretty darn good job with it and lived up to their claim. Experience the greatest star wars saga ever told. Yours. But sadly Lucas Arts didn't want a competing star wars MMO, so the day before TOR went live, SWG was shut down. Can't say it put TOR in a favorable light for me, but I still tried my best to make the most of it. Sadly compared to the choices and mechanics of SWG, it was lacking sadly. But both games are good in their own right. It's just a matter of choice/taste, I suppose. I love RPG's that let you build and flesh out a character. No focus on good or evil, just you the character and whether you want to be good, evil or even more rare...completely neutral!! Seriously I hate that TOR's factions are so divided and isolated with no choice for simply being neutral. But I won't beat a dead horse. SWG was far from perfect too after all. Also I gotta say the music was top notch and hearing a TIE fighter screech overhead sold me from day 1.
Though I did go back to TOR years later and was able to enjoy it for what it was. I loved the class storylines and playing as a trooper on the republic side and being a sith warrior on the Empire. Though I gotta say that the Imperial Agent and bounty hunter stories are my favorite. I loved Kotor and revisiting many of the planets and seeing what's become of the towns and cities felt good. I loved exploring the Tatooine and Hoth maps for how expansive they were, but was rather disappointed that there really wasn't much to them aside from NPCs. I also hate how much of the game is blocked behind isntance barriers with no option to pass through an uninstanced version. Still Tatooine and Hoth are massive maps and reminded me a little of the maps from SWG if only a little. I will say that TOR is a wonderful RPG in its own right, just not a MMORPG. The stories are cool, I just wish they did more and delved more into the nuance of the little details like being able to travel off the beaten path and maybe even swim. It was always a dream to visit Coruscant in a game (aside from Bounty Hunter) and I enjoyed the city. I just wish there was more of it. But that can be said about all the maps. I love game worlds that feel lived in, like i'm part of something alive. It can be difficult I understand, but I was spoiled.
Edit: Also SWG had non human races like Wookiees, Ithorians, Trandoshan, Mon Calamari, Bothans, Rodians and Sullustans
Look, I lived and breathed SWG as a kid. I mastered every single profession, including Jedi, twice, both pre and post-village, and even created a lot of automated mods for doctor bots and missions grinding, ect. I lived in that game.
It was aging, hard. The NGE killed it for me, but let's be honest, the game is a relic. It did not age well. Just to check out SWGEMU if you think otherwise. It's hard to play that game now with the context of modern gaming in mind.
I legit still enjoy SWTOR to this day, but I'll admit that I usually only come back every year for a month or two before ditching. The worlds in general, even on release, felt oddly stagnant. Breathtaking, but not really alive.
IMO: The only real mistake SWTOR did was in costing too much. They spent more than most movies did back then on the game, way more than most MMO's, and then ended up in a situation where players got hooked for the thrilling and personal story to end up at endgame with non-personal filler content. The first three chapters felt like a hero's rise story. It was your origin to power. We all expected the next chapters then to pick up with us moving forward with that, using our position and power for grand war and epic tales. We did not get that.
They tried to bring that back with Knights but they did it by chucking out most of the established characters, with some massive plot changes, and then kind of making the entire story be about someone else's family drama while we just kind of muddle along.
In essence, they had a masterful story that we fell in love with on launch. The initial dev team stepped up. Then they left, and the B team could not keep it up.
I have been in love with this game for years and tbh i haven't had any complaints. I made a friend of mine who hasn't played any sw games before (other than bf2) play it and he instantly loved everything about it. I really can't see this mmo dying, it might have less players than what it used to but it's far from dying.
I agree. I am a founder, and still play, It has great storytelling and as I play it single rpg style I find lots to do and places to go. I do think starting classes stories need to be revamped but that is a minor thing. I hope it keeps going strong.
It will be shutting down at the end of the year or sometime into the next. There's no longer the resources or interest in supporting it unfortunately. Don't blame the devs though, they tried.
Your video did not mention the recent acquisition of this game by Broadsword rather than Bioware. They still are under EA tho. And there is a brand new server for APAC just added. I've played this game since 2013. Started as FTP, became a subscriber shortly thereafter, took a break from 2015 to 2016 for personal reasons, and have been playing ever since.
Meanwhile the game still has packed starter planets, packed player hubs, and there are comments on every SWTOR video from people that just started playing and love it.
I’m really it hung for some Star Wars content maybe I should check it out.
Since it was announced I was very eager to play it, I pre-purchased it and joined a guild months before the launch day! The same day it went on sale I run to bought it and installed it. I remember that my first hours with my Jedi Knight were very exciting.
To this day I still play it, but I know that sooner or later the game will be dead and forgotten. Pity.
I kind of doubt it to be honest. People said it was dead way back when I quit it (which was pretty much within 6 months or so of launch) and somehow it still persists. I think because it had such a big initial investment and is tied to the Star Wars IP and the BioWare KOTOR games, it has somehow survived an extra ten years I didn't expect it to, and will probably survive another 10 more.
Hutta and every starter planet is always a moshpit of new faces, always feels fresh coming back!!
Yeah because there's nothing to do at level cap so people reroll dozens of alts. That doesn't mean the game is healthy.
is it dead? I played it like last year on and off but i dont really keep up with it.
"Player choices dramatically changed the story" in KotfE? What?
I played Everquest for years. Next, I moved on to WOW through the launch of the pandas. I played SWTOR from the launch. SWTOR is my absolute favorite of the three, with Everquest a close second. It is an amazing game. If they had waited 6 months and launched with all of the features it was supposed to have, it would have been much more successful. They weren't ready at launch, but wanted to adhere to their announced date.
I learned English through this game, it was the first MMO that I really played and loved, it's really sad to see how it is now.
That's pretty amazing, kudos to you.
I recall a launch where the servers were completely overwhelmed. They severely over compensated by opening up way too many additional servers. Combined with the decline in subscribers and the explosion of server space and transfers, the original servers became a ghost town, and group content became all but impossible.
Brother saying the game is dead. Finally got around to trying it a few weeks ago. Been having a great time. Subbed and even got a few cartel things. 😂
Wasn't galaxies made before swtor? So it wasn't the first sw mmo
So incredible many words so incredible little said
Cope, you're favourite game is in the gutter.
I would say it's a death of an RPG with some elements of multiplayer, I'm sure they could release this game as a singleplayer thing 100%
Oh man, loved SWTOR for its story and universe, but it's the game that made me realise that I hate MMOs
I loved SWTOR and played for years. On release it was incredible, the casualization stuff you talked about is what killed the game imo
Yeah, that was what done it. So sad, i loved this game
I really miss this game, but I only really enjoyed it with friends.
n an earnings call to investors in October 2019, Electronic Arts announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic was closing in on a billion dollars in lifetime revenue, making it a financial success based on the reported $200 million development budget.
I forgot about MASSIVE FPS droops. To this day...
Its definitely not dead....this is a hard video to watch Nixxiom.
The cautionary tale of Bioware. After their early successes, they always grasped for something popular they were not good at, and they always failed.
You say the game not being able to focus on either being RPG or MMO was a mistake, but at the same time, this led to the game being supported and getting ajor story-focused updates even 10 years after release. Its a very unique situation, in amount of content this game is bigger than Kotor 1 and 2 and bigger than Kotor 3 could ever hope to be, and it keeps growing. Mistakes have been made along the way, maybe even still being made, quality between stories varies greatly. But at the same time, this is the last supported piece of Star Wars EU content remaining, and it would have never gotten this far if it wasn't an MMO. No other game will give you the same experience. And I would say going F2P was one of the best decisions the game has made, it brought a lot new players and the game actually started making money again and made quite a lot according to the official reports by EA. And an MMO being able to make money just on cosmetics and remaining subscriptions is a very good thing for said MMO (because if its not making money, it gets closed). It could've been much worse - could've easily gone pay-to-win, knowing EA. Also, the old bugs did get fixed. There was a period where the game functioned quite well. Then they added many new bugs with 4.0 and onward because the dev team changed so much they had no idea how the old systems were made and kept breaking them, sometimes permanently.
And you know, while I do miss the old difficulty, and I think some decisions in that regard were not implemented perfectly, most of the quality of life changes were kind of necessary. Companion roles - in the old times content was difficult enough so that some classes could only survive with healer companion on higher levels, especially if you played casually and didnt have the best gear. This basically forced you to play with the same companion all the time, which negatively affected the story and experience. Now you can pick whichever companion you want for the story and play in whichever style you want. I wish they kept some individuality of companion combat abilities but what can you do. Flashpoints having solo mode - no group plays flashpoints for the story. If you play flashpoint in a group, 99% of the time people will tell you to skip all the cinematics, and if you don't skip them they will kick you. Separation of story and group content was a very good thing. Faster leveling allows you to focus on the content you want instead of having to grind every single fetch quest on every single character - considering how this game actively encourages running alts to see all the different stories, this was a good change, though with somewhat clunky execution.
The game's future is very uncertain right now, but whatever happens, I'm glad this game existed and I'm glad I got to experience this journey all the way through.
I have no issues with the graphics. For me it's all about the story which--along with the dialogue--is excellent, as is the camera direction during cut scenes, and the voice acting which I found to be good to great. The excellent music also plays a role adding to the mood. The Cartel market is what it is. It's not necessary to completing the game.
I remember I was hyped for years for this game. I bought the collectors edition and had my entire wow guild move over to it for launch. The game was fun for the first few days as we all leveled. But by the end of the first week when we were at max level we saw there was little there. The first raid was a buggy mess. PVP was a mess. The game engine was clearly not designed to be an mmo. So by march we were all finished and we've been back in wow ever since.
The game is still as popular as ever, not falling off mane it’s still here better than ever still getting updated
Starwars galaxies is my biggest sorrow, the day they shit it down was the worst in my gaming history
This was my world of warcraft back in 2012. I had never played any mmo before it, and while my weekly raiding times are behind me, I can't seem to find another mmo to call home. These last few years have been really sad as I have had to watch as Bioware just slowly kills this game. To put the blame solely or even a majority of it on EA, would be scapegoating just because "EA bad". Now the game is going to Broadsword which has two mmos under their belt, both of which are in life support mode. I would like to have hope, but there is none to be had here.
Do you think we will ever get another Star Wars mmo style game?
i really liked the game to be honest
and to add to Nixxiom the litle endgame that was there was bugged like hell
i remember tons of Soa shenanigans like despawning or somehow despawning and respawning on the original floor in the lift just hanging there in the sky totally unreachable
i had a shitload of fun doing Hutball tho
There are still people who swear the best is yet to come and the game will get better mostly newish players but as someone who was there at launch to Shadow of Revan...........history says otherwise