bro, you're going places on youtube, this is some of the best mastering advice/techniques i've found is on your channel. As a mix/mastering engineer I'm always trying to learn new stuff everyday. You are golden!!!!!
The amount of knowledge that i have now thanks to your videos is out of this world. Love the way you teach and the things you teach. Those are the real important concepts that every one of us must know ! thanks, thanks and many thanks.
Dude your videos are INSANE! Ridiculous value from knowledge and perspective to the plugins you use! I'd really want to see a master from start to finish. Keep up the good work mate!
great channel! Very nice content, this is absolutely a gem on youtube. Definetely one of the best mixing/mastering channels on youtube here.... by far!!
Well said ! Have you tried these new filters from Tokyo Dawn ? Especially the Infrasonic can do wonders on the low end. Sometimes better then low-cut on ProQ.
Regarding compression - one thing to look out for is the input gain into the compressor. I had that experience where I was listening to some test masters of my own work and I noticed this weird pumping. Turns out that my mixdown was hotter than I thought. I just turned it down by about 3dB and the compressor was reacting in a much more pleasing and musical way than before. Regarding sibilance - the other problem would be in giving a vocalist a lisp. That said, I get it =]
On the flip side of what you are saying about saturation in a large amount making the low end get lost. I often give the advice to people who mix too dark, that if they add subtle saturation to a bunch of stuff in stages across the individual channels, the groups and the mix bus, they can subtly brighten up their mixes without touching an EQ (ofc they would still want to EQ as well, but just the fact that you can get extra brightness without using one is my point ;)).
If I have anything that bothers me when I listen to new mixes/masters, it's bad compression (which I get because mixing wise I think compression was the last process I really understood, years after EQ, levels, panning, saturation, reverb/FX, and everything else). But now that I *get* it and I know what I like, when I hear compression that doesn't fit with a song, or its overdone, or its underdone (I listen to a lot of Jazz and I think there's some styles that honestly could use some compression, especially when I'm trying to listen in my car) it just makes me a little sad.
Fair point, I know tons of EDM producers that have very little on their master bus and their stuff sounds excellent (maybe just a soft clipper) that being said there is managing your true peak which I think is technically possible through bus limiting but is a tremendous headache compared to throwing on a pro-L and just clicking one button, another would be dithering which is literally impossible to do on anything but your final bounce or master.
Not much theoretically it’s just another channel of audio. You can do everything on a mix bus you could do in mastering. Probably one thing you could do in mixing you couldn’t do in mastering is elect a particular signal to sidechain your processors on the mix bus!
Interesting that you mention hearing pumping on the radio - that could be the stations broadcast compressor? I remember hearing How Soon Is Now by the Smiths on the radio in the UK - it has this huge stereo tremolo on the intro guitar which just collapsed into a total mess in the broadcast :)
@panorama_mastering - not sure I want to dis anyone online, but as one example, I was just listening to the most recent (2023) album (and probably their 5th or 6th album; ) of an established Americana act, and I find the lyrics unintelligible on my Sony loungeroom hi fi.....but I can make out every word on my poxy old (mono)Samsung A22...I reckon it also sounds better (clearer midrange) on my Sony Bluetooth speaker. ..I'm a big fan of this particular act, too....Ironically, I love their lyrics!🤣
Step 1. Hire a mastering engineer instead of trying to do it yourself. There is a reason the best hire other ears to make the final tweaks. Step 2. Give a lot of consideration to step 1.
I've noticed there seems to be alot of issues with stereo imaging, alot of the times I notice songs that are either far too narrow or far too wide but it's artificially wide where theres a hole in the centre, granted this is more found in lesser known records but I find this alot in the more rap, hip hop styles.
Stereo widener abuse. People don’t know when to stop or not to use them at all. They can be addictive because they make such a big change as well as make things sound less muddy sometimes…but as you said you get a big gaping home in the middle with the sides coming out 3D. Can work for some material
@@Limit5482 yeah but especially in headphones it’s really jarring, in speakers it just sounds un nerving, not a useless thing but when done unintentionally can ruin a record.
Yeap! Funilly a lot of new music I discover in the car, so I don’t have a huge luxury of good stereo imaging because I am localised to the right of the stereo field. But I hear this mainly so coming through on the mixing end moreso than mastering
@@panorama_mastering yeah, all of the latest really well known stuff rarely suffers from this issue but I see it in productions that may not have the budget for top teir quality control or maybe even self produced, it's unfortunate becuase the music would be great if it wasn't for that. also off topic but would you be able to go into more detail on the kelvin tone shaper and its applications, you've done videos for pretty much all of the tone projects stuff it's just I'd love to get more to grips with it myself and I think it could be useful for others too, especialy when you've spoken in the past about using saturation more as a tone control rather than just colour.
Great video - keep it coming! I might havbe missed it but I've been experimenting with clipping a lot and I honestly feel that any decent clipper will do - do you agree?
Hey! Loving your videos, I was wondering if you had any tips for this weird issue I've been having. I was mixing my track and I noticed that the drop of my reference, even when gain matched to be the same amount of lufs as the drop of my mix, sounded noticeably louder despite being the same short term LUFS. Do you have any recommended videos of yours that cover this and if not would you be open to making a video or two on this subject? I've seen videos on perceived loudness on RUclips but often times it'll just be some tips and tricks that usually increase the LUFS by a noticeable amount. The song I was referencing was the supersonic remix by noisia and skrillex.
Almost spat my coffee laughing at the opening line. "Your mastering sucks" 🤣 Hey! How did you know (nah jks i'm alright) You're dropping gems in this vid mate. One of your best. Would love to hear you go super in-depth into what specifically you're listening for with the delta signal. That's one area of things i'm yet to wrap my brain around fully. Unfortunately for my wallet, your bit on Michelangelo made me wanna buy it. Big wow moment. Zero mud, all body solidity. Fffffffuuuuuuu- Do you have any plugin suggestions for alternatives for Michelangelo that can have a similar function of solidifying the low-mids? Literally doing a master this arvo that could use it
I often notice problems with audio, cuts pops etc, and changes in vocal microphones. Always annoys me - mainly a mix/production issue rather than mastering. Here’s one I often hear in RUclips videos, the use of stereo mics when doing voice overs - just sounds dog.
Not specifically master related but mostly mix related. I hate these days when a mix sounds overly soothed. Prime example is Sabrina Carpenters Espresso. If you push soothe too hard all your high mids loose all their charecter and worst case the mix sounds like a bad quality mp3 because you loose so much Information from the extreme filtering. I feel like mixes have become a lot more mid-foreward these days because of the way we can control them now. But most of the time they just start sounding dull but harsh at the same time.
Definitely! More to come; I have a bunch of really cool context-rich videos in the works; with clearance from the artists; just waiting on the artists to release before I can publish !
Edgy distortion on kick and bass drives me crazy. I know it's for translation on phone speakers, but it is so overdone and irritating that it urges the skip button.
How much for you to review my master?
For a listen and email back with notes? $0 ~ in gratis!
bro, you're going places on youtube, this is some of the best mastering advice/techniques i've found is on your channel. As a mix/mastering engineer I'm always trying to learn new stuff everyday. You are golden!!!!!
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
The amount of knowledge that i have now thanks to your videos is out of this world. Love the way you teach and the things you teach. Those are the real important concepts that every one of us must know ! thanks, thanks and many thanks.
Wow, thank you! My pleasure!
Dude your videos are INSANE! Ridiculous value from knowledge and perspective to the plugins you use! I'd really want to see a master from start to finish. Keep up the good work mate!
Will do an updated walkthrough in the near future!
Loving your air drumming. The music literally moves you.
Best comment ever! Most people shit on my air drumming!
What you did at 11:20 is magical! Fire 🔥
Thanks mate!
Fab. Your candour is so refreshing. Great stuff.
Glad you enjoy it! Thank you!
Invaluable content here man. I have this master I’m working on that is lacking that certain density in the upper midrange- this is helpful
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching as always!
great channel! Very nice content, this is absolutely a gem on youtube. Definetely one of the best mixing/mastering channels on youtube here.... by far!!
Damn loved your attitude at 8:40 hahaha :D
haha had to be said!
Well said ! Have you tried these new filters from Tokyo Dawn ? Especially the Infrasonic can do wonders on the low end. Sometimes better then low-cut on ProQ.
I must try this infrasonic!!
great stuff in here!
Appreciate it!
Regarding compression - one thing to look out for is the input gain into the compressor. I had that experience where I was listening to some test masters of my own work and I noticed this weird pumping. Turns out that my mixdown was hotter than I thought. I just turned it down by about 3dB and the compressor was reacting in a much more pleasing and musical way than before.
Regarding sibilance - the other problem would be in giving a vocalist a lisp. That said, I get it =]
Gain in/out :) Very important!
On the flip side of what you are saying about saturation in a large amount making the low end get lost. I often give the advice to people who mix too dark, that if they add subtle saturation to a bunch of stuff in stages across the individual channels, the groups and the mix bus, they can subtly brighten up their mixes without touching an EQ (ofc they would still want to EQ as well, but just the fact that you can get extra brightness without using one is my point ;)).
Very good point!
Top stuff man.
Thanks bud!
is there any alternative to the ozone plugin you used for the sibilance?
Soothe! or a good ol'school deesser
theres something about the way he speaks
is the Kotelnikov actually your go-to mastering compressor or do you use it as a free alternative for your videos?
No my go-to for most things!
@@panorama_mastering thx i will have to give it a try now :)
what was the song he used for this tutorial ay? its fire
Song @DugongJr Coupe De Grace ft IJALE
Label: @majesticcasual
Hi there, just found my way here from Recording Studio Loser, he said you were amazing! Subbed! ;D
Thanks for the sub! He’s a real legend
If I have anything that bothers me when I listen to new mixes/masters, it's bad compression (which I get because mixing wise I think compression was the last process I really understood, years after EQ, levels, panning, saturation, reverb/FX, and everything else). But now that I *get* it and I know what I like, when I hear compression that doesn't fit with a song, or its overdone, or its underdone (I listen to a lot of Jazz and I think there's some styles that honestly could use some compression, especially when I'm trying to listen in my car) it just makes me a little sad.
I comepletely understand. Good observTion
Thanks, best/Mathias
Cheers!
Why reach for crest or knee vs attack time? Actual question I’m still figuring out usage
Att/release was in a pocket just needed to recine it!
Refine**
@@panorama_mastering I gotta play with that more
What can you do in mastering that you can't do in mixing, for example on your mix master bus?
Fair point, I know tons of EDM producers that have very little on their master bus and their stuff sounds excellent (maybe just a soft clipper) that being said there is managing your true peak which I think is technically possible through bus limiting but is a tremendous headache compared to throwing on a pro-L and just clicking one button, another would be dithering which is literally impossible to do on anything but your final bounce or master.
CPU intensive plugins like Gullfoss master if your computer is already stressed out in the mixing project ^^
Not much theoretically it’s just another channel of audio. You can do everything on a mix bus you could do in mastering.
Probably one thing you could do in mixing you couldn’t do in mastering is elect a particular signal to sidechain your processors on the mix bus!
what software do you use to stream your DAW audio and your Mic audio at the same time?
Respect.
Dude how come your using kotelnikov compressor , surely you can use better than some freebe like that - like a weiss one or something
How is that better the kotelnikov?
@@panorama_mastering IT COSTS MORE !
Interesting that you mention hearing pumping on the radio - that could be the stations broadcast compressor? I remember hearing How Soon Is Now by the Smiths on the radio in the UK - it has this huge stereo tremolo on the intro guitar which just collapsed into a total mess in the broadcast :)
Possibly, but i hear it on the same strongs when streaming too
Sudden groove enhancer ❤
boom boom boom!
I think a fat, short, choppy snare would be better suited for this track than a clap
Im starting to hear more and more tracks that sound their BEST on a phone speaker and go muddy AF on full range gear....
Interesting observation! Any tracks in particular you can point to?
@panorama_mastering - not sure I want to dis anyone online, but as one example, I was just listening to the most recent (2023) album (and probably their 5th or 6th album; ) of an established Americana act, and I find the lyrics unintelligible on my Sony loungeroom hi fi.....but I can make out every word on my poxy old (mono)Samsung A22...I reckon it also sounds better (clearer midrange) on my Sony Bluetooth speaker. ..I'm a big fan of this particular act, too....Ironically, I love their lyrics!🤣
Step 1. Hire a mastering engineer instead of trying to do it yourself. There is a reason the best hire other ears to make the final tweaks.
Step 2. Give a lot of consideration to step 1.
Fair enough. But sometimes the best just do it themselves too!!
I've noticed there seems to be alot of issues with stereo imaging, alot of the times I notice songs that are either far too narrow or far too wide but it's artificially wide where theres a hole in the centre, granted this is more found in lesser known records but I find this alot in the more rap, hip hop styles.
Stereo widener abuse. People don’t know when to stop or not to use them at all. They can be addictive because they make such a big change as well as make things sound less muddy sometimes…but as you said you get a big gaping home in the middle with the sides coming out 3D. Can work for some material
@@Limit5482 yeah but especially in headphones it’s really jarring, in speakers it just sounds un nerving, not a useless thing but when done unintentionally can ruin a record.
Yeap! Funilly a lot of new music I discover in the car, so I don’t have a huge luxury of good stereo imaging because I am localised to the right of the stereo field.
But I hear this mainly so coming through on the mixing end moreso than mastering
@@panorama_mastering yeah, all of the latest really well known stuff rarely suffers from this issue but I see it in productions that may not have the budget for top teir quality control or maybe even self produced, it's unfortunate becuase the music would be great if it wasn't for that.
also off topic but would you be able to go into more detail on the kelvin tone shaper and its applications, you've done videos for pretty much all of the tone projects stuff it's just I'd love to get more to grips with it myself and I think it could be useful for others too, especialy when you've spoken in the past about using saturation more as a tone control rather than just colour.
Really Appreciate
Great video - keep it coming! I might havbe missed it but I've been experimenting with clipping a lot and I honestly feel that any decent clipper will do - do you agree?
Agree! I just use standard clip out of familiarity.
Hey! Loving your videos, I was wondering if you had any tips for this weird issue I've been having. I was mixing my track and I noticed that the drop of my reference, even when gain matched to be the same amount of lufs as the drop of my mix, sounded noticeably louder despite being the same short term LUFS. Do you have any recommended videos of yours that cover this and if not would you be open to making a video or two on this subject? I've seen videos on perceived loudness on RUclips but often times it'll just be some tips and tricks that usually increase the LUFS by a noticeable amount. The song I was referencing was the supersonic remix by noisia and skrillex.
Send me snippets to nicholas@panoramamastering.com.au I’d love to take a listen
@@panorama_mastering Thank you a bunch for the offer! I just sent an email with the subject "Perceived Loudness RUclips Comment Followup".
Almost spat my coffee laughing at the opening line. "Your mastering sucks" 🤣 Hey! How did you know
(nah jks i'm alright)
You're dropping gems in this vid mate. One of your best.
Would love to hear you go super in-depth into what specifically you're listening for with the delta signal. That's one area of things i'm yet to wrap my brain around fully.
Unfortunately for my wallet, your bit on Michelangelo made me wanna buy it. Big wow moment. Zero mud, all body solidity. Fffffffuuuuuuu-
Do you have any plugin suggestions for alternatives for Michelangelo that can have a similar function of solidifying the low-mids? Literally doing a master this arvo that could use it
No alternates I am aware of. I am sure there are tools out there that can similarly process trans/sustain with harmonics… just nothing comes to mjnd
I often notice problems with audio, cuts pops etc, and changes in vocal microphones. Always annoys me - mainly a mix/production issue rather than mastering.
Here’s one I often hear in RUclips videos, the use of stereo mics when doing voice overs - just sounds dog.
Bang on!
Not specifically master related but mostly mix related. I hate these days when a mix sounds overly soothed. Prime example is Sabrina Carpenters Espresso. If you push soothe too hard all your high mids loose all their charecter and worst case the mix sounds like a bad quality mp3 because you loose so much Information from the extreme filtering. I feel like mixes have become a lot more mid-foreward these days because of the way we can control them now. But most of the time they just start sounding dull but harsh at the same time.
the low mids part 😂😂😂
It had to be said!
good stuff! I would love to hear more on how you decide what to do. Why is processing the low end not better than doing any of this and in what case
Definitely! More to come; I have a bunch of really cool context-rich videos in the works; with clearance from the artists; just waiting on the artists to release before I can publish !
Too much compression from a lot of track theses days just jerks the song. I hear it from local artists in my country.
Edgy distortion on kick and bass drives me crazy. I know it's for translation on phone speakers, but it is so overdone and irritating that it urges the skip button.
Yeap! It's an odd one; because sometimes especially with trap/hip-hop it's DESIRED!
Tell your video editor to stop using Adobe Podcast Enhance to your audio. It sounds so robotic.
what do you mean
Difficult mix there. Balance is strange beneath the vocal. Synths and drums poking in and out in strange places. No way to fix that without stems.
I actually love the balance of this mix! It’s quirks make it works!