F*ck pink noise… start mixes like this!
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Hello, I'm Nicholas Di Lorenzo, Studio Owner, Mixing and Mastering engineer at Panorama Studios.
I'm an Italian-Australian born and raised in Melbourne. I've been a creative professional for 10 years managing some pretty awesome projects for artists, labels and producers all around the globe.
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My family,
Good food,
Great coffee.
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i feel like you didnt really fully explain what you were doing in the first 5 minutes. i felt like it was more you looking at your plugins rather than explaining to us exactly what the science is of what your attmepting to do here.
i totally agree. it felt like he was just talking to a peer and not explaining to someone who is new to this. and opening so many plugin windows without telling which plugin does what is a bit overwhelming
@@tribe60hz yeah just a little more moment to moment explaining in simple terms would be helpfull, that way all levels can understand. all the best my friend !
Perfect approach. I hate to be this guy to but do you guys see how much he feels his movements and tries to engage to song settings. Such a good helpful way of actually getting a great mix. You’re performing too. Not just the artist 🔥
Thanks man! I love the records I work on; part of mixing is pocketing YOURSELF as the engineer in the music.
Yeah but i mean knowledge is more important, some guy just leaked audio school bass tricks look up alexmadeit thank me later
Real talk 🤘🏼👨🏻🍳🌊
As I’ve said, before, I’m a country guy, and what you do makes more sense than anything I deal with,country or pop engineers, that I’ve listened to. Thanks.
My pleasure!
For guitars use 2 compressors, 1 for peaks and 1 for overall even-ing out. Eq before and after to taste, some guy just leaked all this audio school knowledge look up alexmadeit thank me later
I'm learning so much from this channel! Thank you.
You are so welcome!
Great video and tips, but I got lost during the vocal leveling section as there was no explanation of what you where looking for in insight. Are you trying to hit the same -34db fundamental level for the vocals as you did with the bass and kick?
Bro, straight up, you and 3 others I watch here are the best! I can tell you all love what you do because I pick up what's relayed INSTANTLY! I never have to ask a question. It's like boom ok I didn't know I needed to improve here, write it down now 😅📝
Amazing! Who are the 3 others!? I want to make sure I'm subbed.
Matthew Weiss, Marc Daniel Nelson, and Joe Carrell @@panorama_mastering. I learned about them in a Discord a few months ago. You guys are the best on YT, there's no other competition.
@@panorama_mastering Matthew Weiss, Marc Daniel Nelson, and Joe Carrell. I stumbled upon them mentioned in a discord chat few months ago. I’m a reborn newbie and have earlier credits too but it doesn’t mean I should stop learning. 🍻
All he showed is a clipper man theres obv more tools, some guy just leaked audio school bass tricks look up alexmadeit, thank me later
Excellent. Gonna try to mix this way next time
Thank you so much for this! This has helped me TREMENDOUSLY!!! Please keep up the good work!
No worries! My pleasure!
Hey man i got something else that’ll save you some time, this guy is leaking real audio school bass tricks look up alexmadeit thank me later
One of my fave channels. Great video brother!
Thanks mate!
Been mixing for quite some time myself - this is actually an approach I was not aware off - really well explained, thanks man!
my pleasure!
You doing an incredible work to teaching us thank u so much
My pleasure!
Yes! Thank you mate
Anytime!
Oooh! Sounds good and feels good as well!🔉🔉
Thanks mate!
Ripper mate! One of the best practicle demos unmasked, a great recording always helps. Cheers from over the deetch 🤠
Cheers!
Great channel, great info, and great accent! Thank you.
This is gold!
Thanks mate!
Thank you again for your words of wisdom.
You are so welcome
I have a funny approach. I mix mostly metal and rock.
I start with balancing the guitars with the overheads. Then Snare and Room und after that I readjusted my guitar cymbal balance. Now I bring the kick in and add the bass. Last but not least all the little things.
Vocals go in last. That’s my way 😂
I struggle with mixing metal.... LIKE REALLY REALLY STRUGGLE... if this works for you; THEN FUCK YES!
Solid!
I never really thought of mixing like that, i usually just try to balance all my sub groups with themselves, then with each other and go from there. SUBBED
Let me know how you go trying this;
You do such a great job
Thanks mate
Great video love this one
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
Clever! I like the song a lot
Thanks man, me too!
Great little tune
i like this settings on the SIR clipper as well. it's basically low-level compression, except you can limiter/clip instead of compress once you pass the threshold. so useful.
spot on!
Its 2 whole seperate things that the best engineers use together, if you want more comprehensive and direct tools and tricks look up alexmadeit, thank me later
Nice bit of late seventies/early eighties style boogie there.
Boogie woogie!
My brother, I know your grinding your ass off. The volume speaks for itself. I want to thank you though, this is great content right here
My pleasure!
Dam, what a funky af bassline!
Super funky
What an absolutely stellar video. You have made some great ones, but this is hall-of-fame material. It’s DAW agnostic and absolutely fundamental. Thank you.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Some guy just leaked real audio school bass tricks look up alexmadeit thank me later
Thank you for telling the truth about pink noise mixing
No sweat!
I use full digital ceiling to mix to. No processing on the master. Major elements wave peaks are at -6 to -7 with mix faders at zero. Works perfectly.
Yes mate!
Yeah but i mean knowledge is more important, these are just levels and clippers guys 😭 theres obv more tools, some guy just leaked audio school bass tricks look up alexmadeit thank me later
I've been waiting for a full mixing video from you! This is a great start to that!!!!
Could you maybe release a new template soon??
ALSO HELL YESSSS TO THE SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!!!
I will! SOON enough!
Pure gold, I've tested on my recently project. WOW, sub fit perfect.
Awesome, thank you!
@@panorama_mastering On headphones sound can be tricky with that technique but on speakers 🤝 magic happening 🔥
@@Madkayall he showed is clippers man theres this guy leaking real audio school bass tricks, look up alexmadeit thank me later
These tips reminds me of how I started rethinking my mixing process, after using Ayaic plugins. I now mix to noise ceilings and make eq adjustments based on the latter. At first, I thought that it was cheesy, but I also use plugins to adjust similar volume levels for instruments in my mix. Cool to see this done manually.
Banging! On the Kwaku tunes too!?
@@panorama_mastering , Yes. I started off rough, Dec 2022 using this technique. lol Recently, I've gotten much better and I'm beginning to memorize LUFS levels, but noise ceilings vary, based on instruments and overall song feel. I've learned that mixes and vocals typically follow the same -4.5 noise ceiling, which is darker than Pink Noise and this results to me getting much more consistencies in my mixes and more use of my analog hardware.
this is so funny.. I did this years ago just out of a feeling. Thank you for reminding me of it
No sweat!
I've always started with bass/drums and their balance, then bought in the vocals/lead instruments followed by main accompaniment instruments like keys/guitars etc, then mixed all the stuff like pads, vocal harmonies, etc. This may may vary with the addition of orchestral instruments or unusual arrangements, but this has always seemed like the commonsense approach to most mixes. Get a balance of these main components first and foremost, then bring in dynamics and eq etc. Not gonna say it's always easy. However, this approach saves a lot of confusion.
Good share!
Bravo for the title, made my day🤣 I haven't watched to the end yet, but what I have seen.... Hats off.
Is it possible to make content about high pass filter and phase? Suddenly everyone is saying it can't be used 🤣 what a heck?
YES! I have already! ~ ruclips.net/video/UAxkChjMIco/видео.html
"All those pink-noise are like flat-earthers" LOL
Pink noise is dated and is now only suitable for certain genres, like folk, country, rock, music with much high end detail and not much low end. Brown noise is good for more bass heavy stuff and classic style hip hop. What you need, is the in-between, which is -4.5 dB/octave. This is the modern general purpose go-to for most contemporary music. When I say "go-to", I mean you are also targeting this noise level more or less without even knowing it. It is contained inside iZotope's Tonal Balance Control curves, in all contemporary music presets.
Give it a try, as a test if you want. I can guarantee you will be surprised. But you don't just go hit numbers, unless you have to. But do it your own way, with the VCA faders, with the EQ, with harmonics, whatever you want, shape the mix to follow this noise level as close as possible, with the necessary cuts or low shelves at the highs and lows.
Or you can skip all the useless nonsense and just learn to mix with your ears 😊
@@TakeHit0Yeah, I was expecting that, so I already have my answer: I am not going to restrict myself because someone says so, I don't even care who. I will even use my dick if it helps 😄
Interesting take; the thing none of these profiles take into consideration is the unique structure of different sounds and how they sum/difference together based on their relative sound design and arrangement. which creates a MAJOR impact on the tone of a record;
@@panorama_masteringThey don't, but you don't have to be precise, just be inside the margin and then it's up to you and your taste. The overall profile of the song needs to match, not small parts of it, so we're going for the whole signature. This is exactly what the iZotope plugin is based on, they have analyzed millions of "hit" profiles and found the pattern. What I am adding to the mix is, try to hit the -4.5 dB/oct, not exactly, but averaging.
This is not the right way, or wrong way, it's a shortcut (to me at least) and shortcuts are good.
Awesome video! I've tried setting levels with pink noise but it never worked out for me, especially in regards to my low end. Can you also do a similar video on this but for Instrumental Tracks, without Vocals? Do you think it's a good idea to master instrumentals without vocals because I noticed the low end in my mix is usually loud and distorted? I also noticed the vocals were a bit high over the drums and bass I found that very interesting, I would also love to see a video on how to set vocals in a mix!
Dear cosmic lord, I have actually tried this now and something clicked in my head, something that was virgin for so many years. I feel like Adam after tasting the fruit of knowledge.
Happy to hear!
I love this tittle xD
me too!
First of all, I love your content. It’s gold!
Second, 7:11 the soft clip is on the master channel?
Softclip @0% means there’s mo transfer clip and just hard clipping
I always start with the vocals, if there are vocals. Nothing but the vocals and I don’t move on until I’ve done all my automation and editing. Definitely no low frequencies.
You ar the fkng GOAT Bro!!!!
Thanks m808
I think i heard of pink noise mixing years ago and was like that sounds stupid and heard some one demo it and was like no thanks 😂 it just seemed strange to mix just to have things audible and not for how it feels which is the thing that matters most imo
spot on!
Broo, thanks for your vids! Need such a tutorial about balancing hip-hop mixes with huge 808 rapping vocals and kicks, how to do such a hihats but not cuting ears) and how we reach with all that balance to -7lufs😊
Just got sent the stems for something like this last week!!! Post-release might if the client let's us use it; YOU'RE ON!
We need this one🤞@@panorama_mastering
Nice one. Any chance you could show somewhere in the future masterbus with Karzog Kclip3 or Flatline. Just wondering how you would apply the same chain of thought to an alternative clipper.
I can try!
Apart the insane kick/bass and the performance/groove and amazing vocals --- first thing I noticed is how the high frequencies in vocals are so clear yet no harshness, just sounds so open and in your face.
What's going on with that? If all my female vocals could be this way. What mic? Altho you can make any mic sound good, but mostly, what's, even if just a small tip: eq, did you boost highs and then add soothe or what happened, etc. Any advice... like a video just to get those vocals would be worth gold
I can take you through the vocal chain in another video! ~ ruclips.net/video/6y3mO4PN1YI/видео.htmlsi=-810nf89vTm5atRc
@@panorama_mastering Wow thanks!
Ah nice im from Melbourne too
Wominjeka!
@panorama_mastering deffs gonna play around with this, just now started getting back into Mixing after about a 5 year hiatus
I do agree with the kick bass and vocal being the foundation
Also will be useful to try and match the fundamentals rather than just pushing faders till I think it sounds right (alot of things including my shitty apartment room can effect that)
Earned a subscriber thank
Waiting for that marketing part 😅😁
haha yes! starting notes for it now!
Each guitar element grooved nicely when isolated with the drums, bass & vocals. But when all put together it eliminated the space, which is where the groove lives. In short, less guitars are more.
Best mixing/mastering tutorials on RUclips ! If you ever come up with a full course I’d definitely sign up. Would love to study your whole process
No sweat; currently planning a start-to-end mastering walkthrough/masterclass.
The mental image of a mixing engineer playing pink noise over the speakers with the band in studio looking confused... 🤣
If it was such a perfect method, you'd think the top guys would have started doing it by now.
It's awesome isn't it!
Nick, you are the most generous pro on youtube. However, please do not burnout for us.
Hi Thank you for all your great content boss. I have a question on levels. Are there any standard levels to use when mixing from scratch and is it best to use faders for depth and balance after gain or trim? Thank you
In the digital domain. Not necessarily, especially in 32 bit. However having a linked VCA makes it simple and essy to adjust overall mix channel gain going into mix bus.
Best to use faders after gain/trims
@@panorama_masteringThank you so much!!!!
@@panorama_masteringI started reading Bob Kats book and i been working with K-20 in my bed room lol im able to achieve loudness so easy its werid. Is the K system a good method for mixing levels? Thats what i been compiling in my head. i trim to k20 and then use faders is that a good idea?
awesome. question: how do you determine the fundamental of a moving, dynamic vocal? pick the loudest section of a verse maybe? chorus? lowest/most used pitch? Thanks in advance man - learning a lot
Lowest pitch that crosses with bass line
14:55 he reveals the secret to getting any guitar to be perfectly mixed
I just went into the edit and unmuted the mic;
I'm saying, "very soft monitoring right now"
... that is the secret!
Thanks for this! You didn't really explain how you set the vocal level or what you were looking for with Insight. Could you explain this a bit more? Cheers!
Getting the fundemental of the vocals to cross over with equal energy to the upper notes/harmonics of the bass line in the same register.
@@panorama_mastering Thanks!
Another great video! I never understood that whole mix to noise "YT" tip- maybe it can get you a balanced mix but now what? how do you take it to a "Polished" Finish. Getting a great balance is like the very bre minimum and if you cant do that using your ears and know how, then how would you take it to the next level. Also to point out that even if you are just starting out taking the easy way to get a balance without understanding why or how, puts you at a disadvantage in the long run. but just my 2cents.
Exactly! Good points!
When your finding the fundamentals of the bass, do you do repeat this with the every layer, for example if you have a top bass, mid bass, and sub bass? Or do you just before this on the bass bus?
I have yet to see someone do a good reverb tutorial how it all comes together. Can you please make a lenghthy video on reverb Thx
Go check out Matthew Weiss mixing with reverb course!
Great video. When you are setting the levels of the kick/bass/vocal at the start, is this done after you have already applied clip gain/volume automation to those elements to even them out? If you're working with live drums for example, the kick level will vary throughout the performance so I assume you would need to get the kick level consistent first and then go to the "main section"/chorus to set the levels of the kick/bass/vocal using the technique you show here. Also, if you are using other plugins on the mix bus (eg compressor, tape machine etc), I assume the clipper would have to go after all the those plugins and you would need to make sure that the signal leaving those plugins is still at about -6 when it hits the clipper, correct? Thanks!
Post all edits and cleaning up! Correct :)
RE: mix bus, nope clipper upfront :)
@@panorama_mastering thanks! The videos have been really helpful lately.
Have you ever seen the COS PRO EQ (Ceiling of Sound)? It uses noise profiles for eq and balancing it’s pretty amazing specifically for people learning to eq.
No i haven't, link me!
@@panorama_mastering ruclips.net/video/-X7ByyWsV40/видео.htmlsi=sbDn8dLIwzW-1xVB
@@panorama_mastering ruclips.net/video/YSg0-42Sto8/видео.htmlsi=RKy7xyqe-7YnF-Ic
@@panorama_masteringthe company is called AYAIC. You can use COS PRO in conjunction with Mix Monolith to gainstage and the EQ. The creator is a genius and for beginners this combo is killer.
I dunno if I'd recommend it for a beginner as it's pretty hard to wrap your head around, but it's pretty intriguing.
Sorry if this has been asked/answered before ... Is that automation on the send level to optionally duck the signal for your standard 4-on-the-floor groove?
As always, thanks for sharing!
Oh that's for a whacky reverb effect from the final mix; ignore that;
Yeah the vocal was high for my ears that bass guitar lick was stronger than the vocal probably should have showcased it more in the mix.
i would never put a clipper in the mixstage,if you set your levels higher by accident your signal will be distorted and chanse of loosing transients,my opinion ofcourse
That's why I DO put a clipper; so I can hear it crunch up; I've always got the VCA to control;
"Silly pink noise is for flat earthers." The moment you've got me.
truth is the truth
At the start you are leveling the vocals drums and bass by their fundamentals to a similar db?
correct!
Technically it would be the white noisers that are like flat earthers.... 🤣👍
fuck gain-staging, I'm gain-maxxing
Nice!
By any chance you will have a walk through about your mixing temp? How about mastering temp?
Nice to know you and Paul [Third] are still friends ;) =]
In all seriousness, I enjoy what you do/make/offer/provide. Keep up a good thing =]
YES! Of course, Paul is a champion!
Thanks, will do!
Mixing with pink noise is like going bowling with the side rails...
Good one!
Could we push into the Clipper with the Input of StandardClip instead of the VCA fader to achieve similar results?
Of course! But I prefer using the vca so if I ever want to take the clipper off, everything is gain staged into the channel
Im curious about a thing. Should l bounce to audio before mixing for clippers and limiters to work better? Cant seam to find anything about this:)
Signal is signal; the clippers and limiters will work all the same if the signal hitting it is the same; it's indiscriminate if the audio is bounced or not.
Ok, thank you. Appreciate it:)
I think the pink noise trick still has value as a sort of “last resort” if you really have no clue of where to begin or no reference point…but it’s not great
If you have no idea where to begin it means you're a beginner. So just fk the track up and learn from there. You can't expect good mixes as a beginner anyway.
How would you approach working with a 2 track?
No clue! It's been YEARS (Literally like 5 years) since a 2track and vocals has hit my desk.
When it does, I'll share it with y'all though!
Are the snare fundamental at the same level as kick, bass and vocal?
No, I'm pretty indiscriminate with where I set that;
When you bump up your instrument VCAs (eg vGTR), aren’t you also increasing the amount of PP you’re doing? Or are your parallel sends pre-fader? Also, it may not apply on this particular mix, but it appears almost every channel goes straight to your mixbus and not via sub groups (eg food groups like drum bus, bass bus etc). Is it your preference to mix that way?
I've tried the Pink noise for starters, then I heard about a 4.5db tilt, tried to figure out how to get it, then figured out that the yellow line in Pro-Q3 is a 4.5db tilt(I think, not sure) So just played whackamole against that line, seems to work...Is that correct?
Can I use any spectrum analyzer for this?
Yeap. I used to use insight before I got infrasonic. Actually I think TDR has a free version of their spectum analyzer too!
@@panorama_mastering awesome. Now this might sound dumb, and I'm not sure you mentioned this or not, but is this after mixing the 3 individual elements? Cause the vocal and bass definitely sounded mixed to me. Just wondering.
Does he have a clipper first in his chain?
Yes i do!
What about the Vocal Rider video ? 👀
Getting around to it! Too many to do !
@@panorama_mastering 🌷
You misters seem to talk about phase, findamentals, etc. Other books or videos I look at, they are so generalized, shallow in these topics. Seems like it's hardy dardy to learn something new. I wanna learn from the same sources please! 😂
Will have to expand more on the topic of phase in future videos!
I didn’t really understood, did you just matched fundamental of kick to fundamental in bass by volume?
Correct
@@panorama_mastering thank you
I have avoided of 20 something of your videos, you get too geeky too nerdy most times, but let me see this, interesting title
spoken like a man who has never met a flat earther. Smartest people here.
dont laugh at Flat Earth when never really researched it YOUR OWN SELF, Even NASA uses Flat Earth Model in practical use, you probably dont know that. Maybe NASA are dumn too. The gov lie in books and get you all drinking it.
RUclips has hidden all the real videos that shows the truth and show the ones that mock the Idea.
Their are long distance photography over 30 miles showing things that curvature of Earth should hav covered.
See I told you a practical thing like the taking of photos and what is found.
Not some scientific mathematical complex equation.
Water does not bend water does not curve, never gravity or nothing can cause water to curve its always level.
horizon always level no matter how many miles.
I just told you natural realities.
Even Pilots use a FLAT EARTH Non Rotating PLANE to fly Airplane flying over a PLANE;
They lied to us big time.
Dont worry this truth will come out mainstream media is hiding the real videos and revelation.
Their are video I will tell you about that you wont see but yet in RUclips.
So why if the Earth is square who does it hurt.
Flat Earth will exposed what they are hiding in Antarctica and many other things is why.
Even the UN logo is the Flat Earth in case you dont know.
The Earth in the air fkying spinning round its actually stable yes on the rground while other celestial bodies are in the sky.
You might know the lying mainstream says Earth is Spinning and Flying like right now at the speed of guess what 666 thoousand miles per hour, hmmmmm
is that not creepy 666 these are satan worshipper of the sun hence they tell you Earth moving around the sun at 666 K miles
and du m people cant know becauqe they government cant lie.
And of you really think when a boat that goes out of sight after moving away from you, disappeared because it has gone over the curve of water and water covering it from view
Shock you to wake up. bring out your camera or anything to zoom, you will see the same boat.
So if it has gone over a curved water the zooming with not reveal it as still on the surface.
simple practical things, no need to go and read in some books what you can perceive.
And I am not an expert at all is just research, I can imagine all my comment before me too mocking flat Earther because everybody does.
its all there that The Earth is not a ball round and spinning and also flying so fast 666 satanic number is where people should have to start to suspect.
Pictures of Earth were stitched together made in Photoshop not a full real photos.
look it up.
All the Earth photos are faked go see.
Even the guy copied certain clouds and over other areas to make a full round photos. and you dont know this.
Am not crazy am telling facts like actual facts everything I said. REALITY
7:11
don't listen to this vid part out of context plz.
Trying to record a beat!
What am I supposed to be looking at ?
im not sure either. what i got was drive the kick, bass, and lead vocal to -6db and put hard clipper on them. everything else is lower volume and audible in mono.
Agreed 👍🏼. But, pink noise method is for the mundane not the exception, let them be, you’re too young to be acting so old. Whyy you little!! 👴🏽
You could’ve did all this with the rant. Great video overall.
Hey Thanks man! Appreciate you watching.
Pink Noise, they're like flat Earthers. That was gold!😂😂😂
It's the only time you'll see me make a nasty comment!
If there's one tip I've taken away from these videos is that your ears need to be exactly vertically aligned with your nipples
One thing you can’t fix in this mix is the lead singer. It’s flat, soulless and out of groove too bad 👎🏼
Stay away from music production and mixing please.
Alright stevie wonder. Your attitude needs fixing more than anything
And what are you doing exactly?