It doesn't make sense for the GEB to be Lucifer, since Lucifer isn't strong enough to stalemate God. The GEB sounds more like God's mirror image in darkness. If God is the light that created the DCU, the GEB is the void that surrounds it.
I think he’s coming back in the new dc universe infinite run where ultimate darkseid talks about a great darkness that would be the evil of all evils and that everyone doesn’t know what’s as just unleashed. A threat like no other.
@@shardzfn7541 The Great Darkness is literally nonexistence itself so we're in for a treat. In my personal opinion this might be the crisis that'll be on the same level as Final Crisis.
There's a clever, meta element behind Alan Moore creating the "Great Evil Beast." The original Crisis on Infinite Earths was supposed to usher in an era of grittier, more realistic comic books for the DC universe. By having the darkness and the light join hands, Moore was signaling the end of the classic Silver/Bronze-age style superhero (Defined by simple, black-and-white morality), and the beginning of a new, (Theoretically) more complex, anti-hero driven time for comics. After the battle with the Beast, Swamp Thing and his friends even comment on how the universe itself seems to have changed. This gives a meta explanation for DC's tonal shift and all the dark stories that followed (The Killing Joke, Death of Superman, and basically the 90's in general). Funny enough, Moore didn't seem to be completely on board with this direction, but it's interesting he wrote something about it.
Pre Retcon Beyonder 💯 I know ! Hope he covers the other characters! He did miss a few things like the fact the original “GEB” Lucifer was scared of he had to link up with 3 hell lords just incase GEB slide thru lol
Yeesh, not only did the G.E.B beat the Spectre, but it also made him cry, and beg for his Daddy.... _That_ is some Beyond Omega Level power right there.
What I love the most about this story is how it was up to Swamp Thing to explain how he did to the Great beast, A lot of people see him just a monster BUT hes much more then that, Hes a powerful character on his own who should be respected.
@@ericjohnson-ds5ll look lucifer is a creation of the presence the great darkness was their before creation. It's in the dark multiverse now, the great evil beast is actually just a part/incarnation of that great darkness. Therfore lucifer ain't the great evil beast.
@@applejuice3500 no he isn't he is an entirely different entity who like the presence was born in the over void. There are beings like hakette, pralaya who have either portrayal or feats far surpassing that of presence. Not mention presence isn't omnipotent.
Also, since the Spectre operates using the power Presence gave him; wouldn't it be Presence's fault for not giving Spectre a temporary mega amp to stop the GEB? It's like getting mad at a screwdriver because you used to on a screw that was too big and now the screw is stripped, making you get out a different tool to fix the mess.
@@Gettin_chunky well, there's actually a Bible verse where leviathan (which is Satan) is broken into pieces and fed to angels and implies it was the same manna in Moses' Exodus.
The Great Evil Beast/Great Darkness is likely not Lucifer. The writer is clearly inserting his own headcanon. But there is an in-universe explanation as well: the Collective Unconsciousness/the Dreaming. I believe it was in the last run of Lucifer (not the most current) that revealed a version of him created by Humanity’s belief in the Devil, which he disdained as they thought of himself as a stereotypical red man with horns. Essentially in the DC universe if one collective belief is strong enough, the realm of the dreaming/the collective unconsciousness will manifest that idea in a metaphysical form. Warhammer 40k fans would understand this concept a lot more since that’s basically how the warp entities work in that universe as well. It’s likely that the black hand we saw behind Lucifer was a manifestation of what many magic users in the DC universe interpreted as an aspect of God’s “first enemy,” the rebellious son who was cast out of Heaven. Since they have never heard of the great evil beast/great darkness, they simply assumed an imagined it to be an aspect of Lucifer, thus making it manifest in the collective unconsciousness which in turn created this separate entity. However, the great darkness is still its own entity separate from Lucifer. It’s actually more likely that the Great Evil Beast is an avatar or lower dimensional emanation of Pralaya, the Goddess of Nothingness.
This why alot of continuity of this comics are so confusing, BS writers messing up and making a huge plothole. That writer doesn't know anything about the Vertigo comics I guess.
Additionally, if GEB is Cthulhu, it can't be Lucifer. Lucifer serves only himself, while Cthulhu is the high priest of Azathoth. These would appear to be mutually exclusive (though I suppose it's possible Lucifer could have appeared to be GEB as a deceit). Of course, there weren't any references to R'lyeh or the Great Old Ones, so it's just as probable that the Cthulhu reference was made more for flavor than as fact.
It's a retcon. New information from comics is supposed to override older one. That's how comics are. As long as someone doesn't change it , there is no denying it. Lmao this is the exact same situation as monitors, despite the fact that they have been retconned and aren't that powerful anymore , people are still arguing for them being the most powerful.
dio • No that’s not how it works. Just cuz a comic is newer doesn’t mean it can overtake numerous more consistent interpretations of something. For example, if Superman was knocked out by a grenade the next day, he won’t be “retconned” to wall level, we’ll use his other feats and determine that this is indeed an outlier/inconsistency, not a retcon. Same thing goes with this logic
@@75_86 except y'know the character we're talking about a character that hasn't appeared for and been used in years. Besides We're talking about GEB's actual identity and origin. N52 changed superman's origin a bit with Jor-El. Jason Todd's origin was changed after crisis on infinite earths. Beyonder's origin is getting retconned left and right. Also not the best example, the example you gave is an inconsistency, a low showing and a lowball. What you just Said is everything but a retcon. Also that's exactly how it's supposed to be. New information retcons older information, not the other way around. That's why Noone refers to Beyonder as the embodiment of an entire universe, it's been retconned , the Overvoid isn't an all encompassing void anymore , it's been retconned , the Nil monitors are now the splinters of Overmonitor , not how it was in Final crisis and has been retconned. You can't pick your own favourable canon
I grew up in California and what you said at 2:26 about San Miguel California and the haunted house it brought me back to my childhood. Not only is San Miguel suuuuuuper haunted but the fact that the writer threw that in there I thought was really cool
Here’s what I got from this comic/video. The great evil beast wanted to know what exactly it was, confused about its existence. Of course, it literally being the soul/body of evil, it did not act very nice. When it asked people what it was/asking them what evil was and what-not, they all responded to it as it being a bad and generally negative thing. The big difference of when swamp thing went in was that swamp thing knew the answer, just not a very common one, despite it being the true answer. Swamp thing responded to the great evil beast with a story or something he overheard or was talking about. And afterwards, swamp thing explained how “without evil, there is no good, and without good, there is no evil.” Thus, the great evil beast released swamp thing without a scratch and went to god and in a way, shook or held hand or something. What happened was that they decided not to fight. For whoever wins will still loose. Like swamp thing said, “without good there is no evil and without evil there is no good.” The 2 supreme beings shook hands, and like it was said afterwards, “nobody won, it was more like a tie,” like as if the conflict was completely ended……
She wasn't just a new Presence she taken THE PRESENCE place because The Presence stated he is leaving out of creation or going to another one. I'd forgot I have to go and read it again. 😁
Quantum Superman, really doesn’t have any feats besides, being captain Adam and Doctor Manhattan and taking Ultraman's heat vision. Not really any crazy feats about him. Comic explained should [Superman blue] better he's crazy in power and blue.
The Great Evil Beast and The Presence are more than likely two halves of the same whole. One represents all of the light in the multiverse, the other represents darkness. As long as their is an existence to be perceived, neither one can exist without the other
I mean I think it kinda makes sense for it to have been Lucifer at one point in his life. How much of his story has been reconciling his relationship with the old man? I think it's a cool enough concept but with Darkseid accepted as the multiversal embodiment of evil for DC's landscape, there's not point in bringing it back. Can' Lucifer himself at this point even be called totally evil?
It’s not about being evil, in the Watters run Lucifer is revealed to be something like The Endless (Devil of the Endless would be pretty fitting) in that he is an embodiment of a cosmic principle. He is the foil to God, so he represents chaos, freedom, adversity, etc. In that context it makes sense to see The Beast as just another aspect of Lucifer’s domain even if they are different individuals, maybe the same could be said for the First of the Fallen.
@Comics Explained Not that I hate jazz or anything I just found it an odd music for the end of a comic video that discuses "The Darkness". Good Shite Rob!
So, at some point around 11 or 12 I had read this comic. Not terribly long after I had my tonsils removed and was prescribed a pain med with Codeine in it. As it turns out, I had a bad hallucinogenic reaction to the codeine. I'm told that I was fully convinced that this storyline was coming to fruition in real life and that the Great Evil was outside our house. Apparently it was a fun couple of days for my folks and older brother.
" aphids eating leaves... bugs eating aphids... themselves finally devoured by the soil... feeding the foliage. Nature asks, where does the evil dwell? within this cycle... it told me... to look to the soil... The black rich soil... is rich in foul decay... yet glorious light... springs from it... But however dazzling... the flourishes of life... in the end... all decays... to the same black humus... Perhaps... Perhaps evil... is the humus... formed by the virtues of decay... and perhaps... ...perhaps it is from... that dark, sinister loam... that virtue grows strongest? "
I have plausible doubts that Lucifer which means "Lightbringer" would be the darkness. I could get on board with him being aspect of the GEB though. Hmm. Geb was the Egyptian earth god wasnt it?
as a character it is not intereseting in the sense that it is so abstract that writing with it involved will kind of lead to the end of all things (theres only one way those stories end). but as the hallmark of a finished storyline, it is interesting. The message was received
I wonder, Darkseid being a representation of evil, the same with Lucifer and The Great Evil Beast, and probably few other characters. Are they the same being or perhaps serve the same entity? The same goes for the reversed, Highfather and the Presence? That aside, it seems like confusing writing when including so many reprensentations, like comics really need a Kevin Feige.
You're asking a really facinating question! Personally I don't think they're the same, or even aspects of the same bring. Darkseid is the God of Tyranny, and that, to my knowledge, has never been a part of Lucifer's character. In additional, the whole New God's thing has always been more Sci-fi than Fantasy, though certainly they have a lot of symbolism.
I think it's more like split into levels. Lucifer is the concept itself , kind of like how Black racer is the embodiment of death for New gods but He is Below Death of the endless as She is Death herself. I don't really remember him being the god of Evil though
@@dio6856 I think this might be a reference to the Imaginary Axis video on Darkseid. Been a while since I watched it myself, but I recall that he makes a pretty convincing argument for Darkseid bring the God of Evil.
Cory Morgan The Imaginary Axis also said in his last livestream that the Great Evil Beast is supposed to represent the opposite of the Presence, that being the absence of god.
Infinite Frontier #6 Spoilers Ahead I had my suspicions that a few Omni Threats that have appeared in DC since The Great Darkness story back in the 80s were actually aspects of The Great Darkness itself. As of Infinite Frontier #6 two I suspected were confirmed to be so: Nekron and The Empty Hand from Multiversity. Two I didn't suspect that were also confirmed were this weird Lovecraftian Nyarlathotep-ish guy I never heard of called The Upside-Down Man, and Eclipso, which makes sense as he is the evil counterpart to The Spectre. Also Earth Omega was a piece of The Great Darkness as well. Infinite Frontier #6 was a complete mindblowing bombshell of a read, especially for those of us long awaiting the return of The Empty Hand and The Gentry. In one single comic the future of the DC Comics core spine story is looking like it's going to be a complete blast to keep up with. We'll get the next chapter of the DC spine story in November when Justice League Incarnate #1 hits.
Hey Rob, can you explain: 1)Trigon 2)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter) 3)The Mother of Existence 4)Kang the Conqueror 5)Mogo the Living Planet 6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov) 7)Bat-Mite 8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes) 9)Solomon Grundy 10)Etrigan 11)Hellboy 12)The Young Avengers 13)Judge Death 14)The Tick 15)The Mask 16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl 17)the Mandarin 18)Steel 19)The Eradicator 20)Cyborg Superman 21)Reptil 22)the Doom Patrol 23)The Key(DC) 24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) What If scenarios: Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube Darkseid invades Mega City One Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher and The Boys Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath Mangog battles Doomsday All Might becomes Captain Universe Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven Judge Death gets a Black Lantern ring Beyond Omega Level: Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Dr Doom) Chuck Norris
I don't think that The Great Evil Beast is Lucifer but more like the opposite of God and everything he stands for. It would make sense as when the hands clasp, they disappear, balancing each other out. Comic's have shown me that everyone has a equal, someone who can match them whether good or bad, a balance is always shown.
So the hand of light that grasped the darkness hand would more than likely be Michael. The story shows that they are two sides of the same coin. One needed by the other for creation itself.
Yeah I don't remember how old this video was but during the Prelude to final crisis it was shown that the great evil Beast is actually the other half of the source
This aged pretty well actually lol. Rob was spot on way back saying he didn't think it was Lucifer. As we know now the Great Darkness (The Great Evil Beast) is even beyond Lucifer being the representation and personification of all evil in the multiverse. Also when he was able to take the shape of Lucifer and demonstrate his power to John Constatine during the Dark Crisis event practically confirming Lucifer is an aspect/avatar of the Great Darkness itself.
I do know that Eric Karpe and SPN writers’ Amara/The Darkness character was based off of the Great Evil Beast that I’m glad this character existed and showed God has an Anti-God counterpart like Jesus and the Antichrist. I’m a sucker for beings of wielding dark powers so I liked it even though it doesn’t get any often appearances in comic. At least it helps pioneer context or concepts from it.
Thank you Rob that was great can you do one of the first of the fallen?he's basically the first devil in hell before Lucifer morningstar from what i read
"a villain known as nukeface"
Damn, that's even dumber than "taserface"
@TomeOfBattle Snowflame makes sense as to what the character is about.
I read this in Rocket’s voice lol
@TomeOfBattle is that the cocaine dude?
Nzosaba Matenge isnt that arm-fall-off man
@@benandrews7956 it is the cocaine dude
It doesn't make sense for the GEB to be Lucifer, since Lucifer isn't strong enough to stalemate God. The GEB sounds more like God's mirror image in darkness. If God is the light that created the DCU, the GEB is the void that surrounds it.
So like the over monitor or something?
pretty sure its just an embodiment for readers
Then the hand that we saw merging with TGEB was none other than Michaels hand
@@shadow15kryans23 The sword didn't kill presence. It wasn't him.
Yeah, I feel like the GEB is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent kinda like TOBA to TOAA
So what Rob's saying is that if The Great Evil Beast were to come back, things would get out of hand.
He kinda did come back in JLD 2018
I think he’s coming back in the new dc universe infinite run where ultimate darkseid talks about a great darkness that would be the evil of all evils and that everyone doesn’t know what’s as just unleashed. A threat like no other.
@@shardzfn7541 The Great Darkness is literally nonexistence itself so we're in for a treat. In my personal opinion this might be the crisis that'll be on the same level as Final Crisis.
I see what you did there
Well he’s back and has killed the justice League
"The Great Evil Beast" sounds like a Sufjan Stevens song.
Fo real
From the "Where the Mild thing are" album.
@@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers ohmygod 😂
Fun fact: great evil beast aka the great darkness is the main boss for the current dc run known as darkcrisis
There's a clever, meta element behind Alan Moore creating the "Great Evil Beast." The original Crisis on Infinite Earths was supposed to usher in an era of grittier, more realistic comic books for the DC universe. By having the darkness and the light join hands, Moore was signaling the end of the classic Silver/Bronze-age style superhero (Defined by simple, black-and-white morality), and the beginning of a new, (Theoretically) more complex, anti-hero driven time for comics. After the battle with the Beast, Swamp Thing and his friends even comment on how the universe itself seems to have changed. This gives a meta explanation for DC's tonal shift and all the dark stories that followed (The Killing Joke, Death of Superman, and basically the 90's in general).
Funny enough, Moore didn't seem to be completely on board with this direction, but it's interesting he wrote something about it.
Wow didn't think of that
Beyond omega level: The empty hand (DC)
Beyond omega level: Quantum Superman
Beyond omega level: God wave Wonder Woman (DC)
RIGHT, I'd would like to see that as well
@jab 1435 Congrats! You've been asking for this video for a long time.
Pre Retcon Beyonder 💯 I know !
Hope he covers the other characters!
He did miss a few things like the fact the original “GEB”
Lucifer was scared of he had to link up with 3 hell lords just incase GEB slide thru lol
@@jab-io2po Oh yeah, hell I'd forgot about to 🤣😄
@@jab-io2po Agreed. Pre retcon GEB was a freaking beast! Also I hope he does one on Empty Hand as well.
*FINALLY !* This is the one I wanted you to do ! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yeesh, not only did the G.E.B beat the Spectre, but it also made him cry, and beg for his Daddy.... _That_ is some Beyond Omega Level power right there.
With pure strength and a arm
This credit music is way too relaxing for what I just heard😂
What I love the most about this story is how it was up to Swamp Thing to explain how he did to the Great beast, A lot of people see him just a monster BUT hes much more then that, Hes a powerful character on his own who should be respected.
The great evil beast is the void that was there before Genesis.
Exactly great evil beast is not lucifer.
@@あずみ-x8f like he said depends on who you talk to 😞
@@ericjohnson-ds5ll look lucifer is a creation of the presence the great darkness was their before creation. It's in the dark multiverse now, the great evil beast is actually just a part/incarnation of that great darkness. Therfore lucifer ain't the great evil beast.
@0ddMonk3y go find out about the great subconscious/dreaming you'll learn more.
P.s check warhammer 40k
@@applejuice3500 no he isn't he is an entirely different entity who like the presence was born in the over void.
There are beings like hakette, pralaya who have either portrayal or feats far surpassing that of presence. Not mention presence isn't omnipotent.
7:14 : "The Spectre is punished by The Presence for failing."
I guess that shows that the defacto God of the DC universe isn't very benevolent. XD
Also, since the Spectre operates using the power Presence gave him; wouldn't it be Presence's fault for not giving Spectre a temporary mega amp to stop the GEB? It's like getting mad at a screwdriver because you used to on a screw that was too big and now the screw is stripped, making you get out a different tool to fix the mess.
@@ericm5315 well, the battle was mental, and moral, and he gave the Beast the concept of revenge.
@@SamGarcia correct
There is a story line where the presence eats angels so yeah not the God of the bible
@@Gettin_chunky well, there's actually a Bible verse where leviathan (which is Satan) is broken into pieces and fed to angels and implies it was the same manna in Moses' Exodus.
7:35 it all ends with the epic Predator handshake between Dutch and Dillon.
Last time I was this early, I didn’t know that robs meant was Random.Omnipotent.Being.
The Great Evil Beast/Great Darkness is likely not Lucifer. The writer is clearly inserting his own headcanon. But there is an in-universe explanation as well: the Collective Unconsciousness/the Dreaming. I believe it was in the last run of Lucifer (not the most current) that revealed a version of him created by Humanity’s belief in the Devil, which he disdained as they thought of himself as a stereotypical red man with horns. Essentially in the DC universe if one collective belief is strong enough, the realm of the dreaming/the collective unconsciousness will manifest that idea in a metaphysical form. Warhammer 40k fans would understand this concept a lot more since that’s basically how the warp entities work in that universe as well. It’s likely that the black hand we saw behind Lucifer was a manifestation of what many magic users in the DC universe interpreted as an aspect of God’s “first enemy,” the rebellious son who was cast out of Heaven. Since they have never heard of the great evil beast/great darkness, they simply assumed an imagined it to be an aspect of Lucifer, thus making it manifest in the collective unconsciousness which in turn created this separate entity. However, the great darkness is still its own entity separate from Lucifer. It’s actually more likely that the Great Evil Beast is an avatar or lower dimensional emanation of Pralaya, the Goddess of Nothingness.
This why alot of continuity of this comics are so confusing, BS writers messing up and making a huge plothole. That writer doesn't know anything about the Vertigo comics I guess.
Additionally, if GEB is Cthulhu, it can't be Lucifer. Lucifer serves only himself, while Cthulhu is the high priest of Azathoth. These would appear to be mutually exclusive (though I suppose it's possible Lucifer could have appeared to be GEB as a deceit). Of course, there weren't any references to R'lyeh or the Great Old Ones, so it's just as probable that the Cthulhu reference was made more for flavor than as fact.
It's a retcon. New information from comics is supposed to override older one. That's how comics are. As long as someone doesn't change it , there is no denying it.
Lmao this is the exact same situation as monitors, despite the fact that they have been retconned and aren't that powerful anymore , people are still arguing for them being the most powerful.
dio • No that’s not how it works. Just cuz a comic is newer doesn’t mean it can overtake numerous more consistent interpretations of something. For example, if Superman was knocked out by a grenade the next day, he won’t be “retconned” to wall level, we’ll use his other feats and determine that this is indeed an outlier/inconsistency, not a retcon. Same thing goes with this logic
@@75_86 except y'know the character we're talking about a character that hasn't appeared for and been used in years. Besides We're talking about GEB's actual identity and origin.
N52 changed superman's origin a bit with Jor-El. Jason Todd's origin was changed after crisis on infinite earths. Beyonder's origin is getting retconned left and right.
Also not the best example, the example you gave is an inconsistency, a low showing and a lowball. What you just Said is everything but a retcon.
Also that's exactly how it's supposed to be. New information retcons older information, not the other way around.
That's why Noone refers to Beyonder as the embodiment of an entire universe, it's been retconned , the Overvoid isn't an all encompassing void anymore , it's been retconned , the Nil monitors are now the splinters of Overmonitor , not how it was in Final crisis and has been retconned.
You can't pick your own favourable canon
I grew up in California and what you said at 2:26 about San Miguel California and the haunted house it brought me back to my childhood. Not only is San Miguel suuuuuuper haunted but the fact that the writer threw that in there I thought was really cool
Here’s what I got from this comic/video. The great evil beast wanted to know what exactly it was, confused about its existence. Of course, it literally being the soul/body of evil, it did not act very nice. When it asked people what it was/asking them what evil was and what-not, they all responded to it as it being a bad and generally negative thing. The big difference of when swamp thing went in was that swamp thing knew the answer, just not a very common one, despite it being the true answer. Swamp thing responded to the great evil beast with a story or something he overheard or was talking about. And afterwards, swamp thing explained how “without evil, there is no good, and without good, there is no evil.” Thus, the great evil beast released swamp thing without a scratch and went to god and in a way, shook or held hand or something. What happened was that they decided not to fight. For whoever wins will still loose. Like swamp thing said, “without good there is no evil and without evil there is no good.” The 2 supreme beings shook hands, and like it was said afterwards, “nobody won, it was more like a tie,” like as if the conflict was completely ended……
Great vid and I love this outro music also!🔥
The Great Evil [Beast] can NOT be Lucifer if the GEB is powerful enough to actually contest GOD.
That and the fact that Lucifer exist in the DC universe as a stand alone character
to be god’s wrath, the spectre sho is treated like a boy scout
Another great video brother keep up the great work 🙏🤙🏻
Character Explained/Beyond Omega Level: Elaine Belloc(the new Presence).
Is that a DC character?
She wasn't just a new Presence she taken THE PRESENCE place because The Presence stated he is leaving out of creation or going to another one. I'd forgot I have to go and read it again. 😁
@@Mr.Vinsmokd
Yes. She appears in the Lucifer comics.
Every time Rob says "Constantine" I get a little more excited. Where is our Beyond Omega Level: John Constantine?
I feel like everyone subscribed to this channel has requested for this video so this is God send, thanks rob
Oh FINALLY! Y'all in for a treat with this one
This was awesome Rob. Would you mind doing one on Quantum Superman in one of your future videos on Omega level characters?
Quantum Superman, really doesn’t have any feats besides, being captain Adam and Doctor Manhattan and taking Ultraman's heat vision. Not really any crazy feats about him. Comic explained should [Superman blue] better he's crazy in power and blue.
@@jonassiendervils2102 is that Theta State you're talking about?
The new Thanos with the new Infinity stone would bop him ruclips.net/video/V3kzvzuHtPU/видео.html
The Great Evil Beast and The Presence are more than likely two halves of the same whole. One represents all of the light in the multiverse, the other represents darkness. As long as their is an existence to be perceived, neither one can exist without the other
I mean I think it kinda makes sense for it to have been Lucifer at one point in his life. How much of his story has been reconciling his relationship with the old man? I think it's a cool enough concept but with Darkseid accepted as the multiversal embodiment of evil for DC's landscape, there's not point in bringing it back. Can' Lucifer himself at this point even be called totally evil?
It’s not about being evil, in the Watters run Lucifer is revealed to be something like The Endless (Devil of the Endless would be pretty fitting) in that he is an embodiment of a cosmic principle. He is the foil to God, so he represents chaos, freedom, adversity, etc. In that context it makes sense to see The Beast as just another aspect of Lucifer’s domain even if they are different individuals, maybe the same could be said for the First of the Fallen.
@Comics Explained Not that I hate jazz or anything I just found it an odd music for the end of a comic video that discuses "The Darkness". Good Shite Rob!
Glad a big comic RUclipsr did a video on the Great Evil Beast
Love your videos as always
I’d imagine that the great evil beast would pre-date Lucifer though.
So, at some point around 11 or 12 I had read this comic. Not terribly long after I had my tonsils removed and was prescribed a pain med with Codeine in it. As it turns out, I had a bad hallucinogenic reaction to the codeine. I'm told that I was fully convinced that this storyline was coming to fruition in real life and that the Great Evil was outside our house. Apparently it was a fun couple of days for my folks and older brother.
this was a truly interesting character i like how he used the heros to learn
Amazing, as always!
8:04 The hand of the Beast is Hank Macoy ! Look at Hanks blue hand!
" aphids eating leaves... bugs eating aphids... themselves finally devoured by the soil... feeding the foliage.
Nature asks, where does the evil dwell? within this cycle... it told me... to look to the soil...
The black rich soil... is rich in foul decay... yet glorious light... springs from it...
But however dazzling... the flourishes of life... in the end... all decays... to the same black humus...
Perhaps...
Perhaps evil... is the humus... formed by the virtues of decay... and perhaps...
...perhaps it is from... that dark, sinister loam... that virtue grows strongest? "
Thats pretty profound.
Come on Rob, please do a "FLEX Montello: explained"
Darkseid: That's my son!
Kalibak: *sad apokolips noises*
That music at the end though??? 🔥
🙌 rob ur awsome sause eh these explanations u do. Make dealing with Pandemic cabin fever, easier! Thks
The most kind of Evil Eyes(Jagan)!😫😫
Perhaps hear me out here. Maybe Lucifer is a aspect of the great evil beast
Lucifer real name in comics is Samael and he is the son of God
I have plausible doubts that Lucifer which means "Lightbringer" would be the darkness. I could get on board with him being aspect of the GEB though. Hmm. Geb was the Egyptian earth god wasnt it?
noone explains comics better than Rob...AND I MEAN NOONE 😁😁👍
I always like your videos before I even watch em. Ik there gonna be good
Characters explained- The dark judges- Judge Dredd.
Thanks again for annother badass video talk thru @Rob
Just awesome!!
as a character it is not intereseting in the sense that it is so abstract that writing with it involved will kind of lead to the end of all things (theres only one way those stories end). but as the hallmark of a finished storyline, it is interesting. The message was received
That Swamp Thing Comic sounds like a giant heaping ball of........ ............................FLAMEZZZZZ🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’d love to get more videos on characters like this
Beyond Omega Level: Phantom Stranger
Beyond Omega Level: Divinity from Valiant Comics
Character Explained/Beyond Omega Level: Resurrection Man
Aaron Wilder Jesus?
You been at this for a while
@@endlessvoid7952, what haha
@@claytonwilson4948, yep and I won't stop until he gets the spotlight he deserves haha :)
One day friend one day
Music budget is slamming
The connected tissue and ramifications of the latest Thor issue is quite epic. Maybe you should cover it.
Nice touch with the Artesia nod!
I wonder,
Darkseid being a representation of evil, the same with Lucifer and The Great Evil Beast, and probably few other characters.
Are they the same being or perhaps serve the same entity?
The same goes for the reversed, Highfather and the Presence?
That aside, it seems like confusing writing when including so many reprensentations, like comics really need a Kevin Feige.
You're asking a really facinating question! Personally I don't think they're the same, or even aspects of the same bring. Darkseid is the God of Tyranny, and that, to my knowledge, has never been a part of Lucifer's character. In additional, the whole New God's thing has always been more Sci-fi than Fantasy, though certainly they have a lot of symbolism.
I think it's more like split into levels. Lucifer is the concept itself , kind of like how Black racer is the embodiment of death for New gods but He is Below Death of the endless as She is Death herself.
I don't really remember him being the god of Evil though
@@dio6856 I think this might be a reference to the Imaginary Axis video on Darkseid. Been a while since I watched it myself, but I recall that he makes a pretty convincing argument for Darkseid bring the God of Evil.
Cory Morgan
The Imaginary Axis also said in his last livestream that the Great Evil Beast is supposed to represent the opposite of the Presence, that being the absence of god.
When I first heard "Great Evil Beast" for some reason that terrible cgi Satan from the spawn movie popped into my head.
I dont think it was Satan. If I remember right, it is Malbosia.
@@CNNBlackmailSupport yeah it wasn't satan, he is more powerful in the comics and far more dangerous.
Infinite Frontier #6 Spoilers Ahead
I had my suspicions that a few Omni Threats that have appeared in DC since The Great Darkness story back in the 80s were actually aspects of The Great Darkness itself. As of Infinite Frontier #6 two I suspected were confirmed to be so: Nekron and The Empty Hand from Multiversity. Two I didn't suspect that were also confirmed were this weird Lovecraftian Nyarlathotep-ish guy I never heard of called The Upside-Down Man, and Eclipso, which makes sense as he is the evil counterpart to The Spectre. Also Earth Omega was a piece of The Great Darkness as well. Infinite Frontier #6 was a complete mindblowing bombshell of a read, especially for those of us long awaiting the return of The Empty Hand and The Gentry.
In one single comic the future of the DC Comics core spine story is looking like it's going to be a complete blast to keep up with. We'll get the next chapter of the DC spine story in November when Justice League Incarnate #1 hits.
If you want to know more about Upside down man, which a relatively new character, read Justice League Dark.
The Upside-Down man is an aspect of the Great Darkness and his power also draws directly from The Source as well.
Beyond omega level: Eli Manning vs Patriots in Super bowl
You a fool🤣🤣🤣
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Hey Rob, can you explain:
1)Trigon
2)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter)
3)The Mother of Existence
4)Kang the Conqueror
5)Mogo the Living Planet
6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov)
7)Bat-Mite
8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes)
9)Solomon Grundy
10)Etrigan
11)Hellboy
12)The Young Avengers
13)Judge Death
14)The Tick
15)The Mask
16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl
17)the Mandarin
18)Steel
19)The Eradicator
20)Cyborg Superman
21)Reptil
22)the Doom Patrol
23)The Key(DC)
24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
What If scenarios:
Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube
Darkseid invades Mega City One
Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven
Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator
Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher and The Boys
Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath
Mangog battles Doomsday
All Might becomes Captain Universe
Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven
Judge Death gets a Black Lantern ring
Beyond Omega Level:
Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Dr Doom)
Chuck Norris
Will you ever be uploading these videos to a podcast? I love listening while im working but yt kills on battery
You know...now that you've done this one, I finally wanna ask: Beyond Omega Level: Dream or Death of the Endless
please rob!
I really think that the Great Evil Beast is different and far more powerful than Lucifer.
Lucifer is the type to not use his full strength... its not a wild theory....
Well shit. The recent Dark crisis issue showed Lucifer literally within the great darkness. That is part of continuity now. That happened.
I don't think that The Great Evil Beast is Lucifer but more like the opposite of God and everything he stands for. It would make sense as when the hands clasp, they disappear, balancing each other out.
Comic's have shown me that everyone has a equal, someone who can match them whether good or bad, a balance is always shown.
God has no opposite tho
I like the end song you used
if Lucifer was the king of hell at that point why would an army of demons team up with angels to defeat him ?
So the hand of light that grasped the darkness hand would more than likely be Michael. The story shows that they are two sides of the same coin. One needed by the other for creation itself.
Beyond Omega Level: David's Haller from Legion TV Series
Yeah I don't remember how old this video was but during the Prelude to final crisis it was shown that the great evil Beast is actually the other half of the source
One Below All vs Great Evil Beast!
This aged pretty well actually lol. Rob was spot on way back saying he didn't think it was Lucifer. As we know now the Great Darkness (The Great Evil Beast) is even beyond Lucifer being the representation and personification of all evil in the multiverse. Also when he was able to take the shape of Lucifer and demonstrate his power to John Constatine during the Dark Crisis event practically confirming Lucifer is an aspect/avatar of the Great Darkness itself.
This swamp thing run is awesome. I usually only read hellblazer stuff but my friend got me these Allen Moore books and there great
Savage dragon please do savage dragon. Great job Robie great job
If indeed The Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence in terms of power the it's not the same as Lucifer.
Finally someone makes a vid on this being
Tf, how have I not seen this?? It's been 10 months!
waited for this like forever!!
Beyond omega level: Johnny sins ****
You’re god damn right
"Johnny sins debuted in a 2008 story line called big butt party 12"
Man I’d kill for u to cover all of hellblazer
I do know that Eric Karpe and SPN writers’ Amara/The Darkness character was based off of the Great Evil Beast that I’m glad this character existed and showed God has an Anti-God counterpart like Jesus and the Antichrist.
I’m a sucker for beings of wielding dark powers so I liked it even though it doesn’t get any often appearances in comic. At least it helps pioneer context or concepts from it.
The rosewood thing blew my mind! I just got the Allan moore swamp thing recently
Thank you Rob that was great can you do one of the first of the fallen?he's basically the first devil in hell before Lucifer morningstar from what i read
I wish Rob knew a little more about DC
There's a ton he missed with this video
Im soo happy right now.
Duuude PLZZ do sandman! I love that comic. It would be amazing for you to do vids on it
Do one on griever at the end of all things
Rob...its time 4 an Etrigan video.....💂♂️
Can u do a video on “The Decreator”, the Doom Patrol Villain?
Please cover the Fable story
I was just about to comment this for omega level
Every video I'm gonna be here talking about DANNY THE STREET. Cover Danny
A random question just pop up in my mind:If Cable does the crucible,when he comes back wouldn't he lose the technorganic virus and be at full power?
finally you covering up this force
beyond omega level: pariah.
The darkness predates even the overvoid. I don't know how people think it's an Aspect of Lucifer.
Rob, if you haven't read the latest Thor, you have too. It's a great book, and what Thor sees is fantastic.
PLEASE do more Swamp Thing and Vertigo!