A grass take-off in that heavy six cylinder aircraft with little pavement wheels was always going to be long. Add to that the sprinklers near half way causing ground softness and extra drag. So glad everyone was ok
@@thewhitefalcon8539 true on pavement where drag from the runway is minimal. Not true on grass with small wheels where you want to minimize the weight of the airplane (ie increase lift) as soon as possible on the roll because that full weight on grass is holding you back - big time!
I own a Lance I. This is a Lance II. Soft field, no flaps, T-tail (a very bad design on the Lance II) and a pilot that did not calculate the distance required for take off (having failed to do the first calculation, he would have failed to calculate weight & balance as well). This accident occurred before he even stuck the key in the ignition! I'm glad he was OK.
I agree. Any pilot with common sense taking off of a runway made of wet grass with a 20-foot obstacle at the end will use flaps set for short field takeoff setting. What is not known if he also employed soft fiend techniques combined with short fiend takeoff.
I saw episodes of air crash and I was amazed at the number of fatal accidents due to pilots forgetting to put the flaps in the take-off position this is the first thing that any pilot must do before any takeoff after start-up flaps flaps flaps
@@bigteam6919 Sprinklers would have undoubtedly made soft ground..but it looks like there's a couple times when the spray coming up from the tires..pops up...did hitting berms of water..large puddles..arrest speed? Including other factors..
Unfamiliar wet grass runways call for short field takeoffs every time. This plane was in a clean configuration as if it was on pavement. He was not set up for success.
@@kombolashasoft field and short are both 10 degrees of flaps, but soft is yoke back until you see the plane wheelie up, then release a little yoke and as the plane lifts off, push the nose down to gain speed before climbing out above the obstacle. Short field is a normal take-off with flaps, but much more ground roll, which isn't necessary on a wet runway like this. No reason not to do short field.
Those pesky elevation changes will jump right out when you least expect them … It’s almost like there should be some directory of airport facilities or something … if only that existed
@@steilkurbler4973When getting your ppl you practice soft field takeoffs and landings. You are supposed to deploy flaps and not be in a clean configuration. This pilot is at fault
@@FinnACurran That's right, but the wing generates lift no matter what the ground surface is. Soft fields just have much more drag to overcome to build up airspeed. IIRC the rule of thumb was around 40% than hard surface runways. You can still take off without flaps, it just takes way longer, which is a problem when space is limited.
Turbo P32R. They require a stage of flap for a normal take off. And the T-tail model has less control authority due to being positioned above the slipstream. Unfortunately, sluggish acceleration is sometimes difficult to detect. Pre-takeoff safety brief should cover this. Possibly used to flying off long, paved runways. Short, water logged grass strip had the odds stacked against him. It’s a terrible feeling when you know you’re running out of runway.
A few things wrong with this I believe. I haven’t read the AFM for this aircraft but most soft field/short field takeoffs require flaps as well as using as much possible usable runway. Then holding the breaks and using full throttle until manifold pressure and rpm are stabilized at full before starting takeoff. Plus grass adds to your total takeoff distance depending on what it says in the AFM.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 The premise is still sound... rev up, hold spot ... release for max distance. Also FLAPS ! (Engage flaps partway down the runway if you need to get speed early)
Better then him panicking and rotating then still not clearing the trees and stall spinning it into the terrain. So that was the better decision he made.
One hundred percent. A ground base, the board beats taking an emergency into the air below V1 rotation speed. As others have said, there's an error on display here by not having flaps deployed. But the judgment in aborting the take off was smart.
Wouldn't you walk the runway first? Like if I'm not sure my car will clear a bump, I go check it out, and thats driving 2 dimensionally - I'd probably be out there with yard stick and surveying tools if I had to lift a plane off a grass strip
I know that for larger aircraft that gave two or more engines, there is a speed called V1, meaning that you must either have made a “go” decision for the takeoff or already taking action to abort the takeoff. I think it’s different for the small lightweight aircraft that have only one engine. There must be a point to where once you meet certain criteria in terms of speed and distance, you must continue with the takeoff.
Part of flight planning is comprehensively studying the runway chart for elevation changes before takeoff. We've got a 10000 foot runway and it's got a few up and downs along the way. When it's very wet it affects the aircraft's takeoff and landing rollout. Yes, it's grooved, but that doesn't do much when we have relatively high volumes of rain coming down per second. The fastest jets can have the most aggravating time trying to smoothly decelerate.
A lot of unqualified arrogance in this comments section. Unless you know the exact model of aircraft that this is, have read the specific hanbook for it and know the soft field takeoff proceedure, you probably shouldn't be on your high horse about flaps and taking the pilot's licence away and such. Maybe start off by reading the NTSB report or something basic.
The pilot aborted early enough not to lose his life. We're all human. Even experienced 5,000 hour pilots are prone to make major mistakes. The pilot got the most important part right, and that involved deliberately crashing it. There's nothing 'instinctive' here - many pilots have died in similar circumstances, being mentally unprepared to call such a decision.
Trust your charts. By law every aircraft must have a POH, which will contain takeoff charts. The charts are heavily factored and include runway slope, wind, temperature, density altitude etc. If the chart says the aircraft will make it, THE AIRCRAFT WILL MAKE IT.
So many arm chair pilots in the comments. Smh. If you look carefully, the takeoff flaps IS lowered. One cannot use landing flaps for takeoff cuz it's only for landing
Soft field takeoff's usually require the use of flaps plus MINIMAL nose pressure, unless the POH states differently. When doing a soft field takeoff you lift off at rotation speed and hold ground effect until you can build up speed to hold Vy. If its s short soft field you use the Vx climb out speed and hold until clear of obstacle and decrease flaps incrementally holding a positive rate. I did not see any of this from this pilot, also looked like no pre-takeoff briefing, and the pilot should have calculated their takeoff performance prior to the flight.
The runway is a big problem too, alongside the plane’s gear of course. There should be an emergency stop net at the end to avoid this because it could’ve ended badly.
That big spray coming up about halfway through the takeoff run is proof that those sprinklers caused a flooded area. That is standing water which increases drag significantly. That could have made all the difference if it was dry.
Idk what the winds were, but the tree line at the side he left from were way shorter lol. Flaps obviously since it's a soft field. Idk what the POH says for his plane though...
See, he wasn't stubborn, nor arrogant, and didn't let his EGO get in the way and lived to see another day. This should be a training video for all future private plane pilots.
this is why v-takeoff speed exists .. following them is a must, when you pass v1 you are automatically committed to the take off .. you cannot abort the take off regardless of what happens
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 there’s no V1 on single engine airplane, if engine fails while the aircraft still on the ground, you hit the brakes, and hopes runway still available, when the engine fails just after airborne, you do forced landing procedure.
That runway needs to be redesigned
This looks like a very nice run way….
@@yamkaw346did you not watch the video
@@VTEC_RAT Sure did…. Looks like en extremely well maintained runway. I fly in and out of much worse on a daily basis.
The runway is totally fine. It was poor judgment from the pilot as to why they crashed.
This runway is fine. The pilot made an error
A grass take-off in that heavy six cylinder aircraft with little pavement wheels was always going to be long. Add to that the sprinklers near half way causing ground softness and extra drag. So glad everyone was ok
No flaps either. Should have been in short field configuration and he would have been airborne before the obstacle.
@Adub 1300 Agree. Also, it seems the pilot became fixated on the liftoff and appears not to have looked at performance versus remaining runway
70/50 rule. If you haven’t gained 70% of your take off speed in 50% of the runway abort.
@adub1300 I would put flaps down right before rotating. They just add Drag on the takeoff roll otherwise
Lol
There is a 70/50 rule If you are not at 70% of your lift off speed at 50% of the available runway shut it down and try again.
Standing water on the runway?
Try again…?,
Try flaps.. reduce weight, wait for cooler temps etc.
If you own 70% more than 50% of your IQ, don't fly a plane.
Flaps 10 deg in those conditions
That's only true 40% of the time. The other half depends on wind direction.
"he gon reck it" was the best part
Yep he wrecked it.
Flaps are critical for additional lift earlier in the take off roll- which is exactly what you need when grass is slowing your acceleration
Flaps are for bots
@@pantherplatform flaps are for clapping 👏
Technically you only need lift at the end of the takeoff
@@thewhitefalcon8539 true on pavement where drag from the runway is minimal. Not true on grass with small wheels where you want to minimize the weight of the airplane (ie increase lift) as soon as possible on the roll because that full weight on grass is holding you back - big time!
@@thewhitefalcon8539 you want to take off faster tho
I own a Lance I. This is a Lance II. Soft field, no flaps, T-tail (a very bad design on the Lance II) and a pilot that did not calculate the distance required for take off (having failed to do the first calculation, he would have failed to calculate weight & balance as well). This accident occurred before he even stuck the key in the ignition! I'm glad he was OK.
I was gonna say this. You don't just go and wait forever till the plane takes off. What if it doesn't? Silly.
@@bb-skyBecause of poor planning and a late decision.
No flap on grass???
I Said the same thing
My opinion too. No flaps caused the accident.
I agree. Any pilot with common sense taking off of a runway made of wet grass with a 20-foot obstacle at the end will use flaps set for short field takeoff setting.
What is not known if he also employed soft fiend techniques combined with short fiend takeoff.
Glad someone else caught that
I saw episodes of air crash and I was amazed at the number of fatal accidents due to pilots forgetting to put the flaps in the take-off position
this is the first thing that any pilot must do before any takeoff after start-up
flaps flaps flaps
Someone should tell him about flaps
I’m glad a lot of people saw that he wasn’t using any flaps especially on grass 😵💫
Beat me to it.
thot i wasn't seeing what seemed obvious...
Exactly, does the pilot have a license?
He must have skipped that class on Soft/Short Field techniques! Flaps anyone? Slight back pressure on the yoke anyone?
Flaps would have prevented this all day long.
Some people need to get to their destinations real fast!
Sorry, but you don't know that unless you have the performance charts, a/c weight, obstacle data, wind, and density altitude at that time.
@@tenpilotohe’s taking off on grass. He needs flaps.
10o all day. It was the first thing I looked for when replaying it.
@@tenpilotoyou can clearly see they had no flaps deployed for takeoff
Dude didn’t do his homework. It’s gonna be a very expensive lesson.
Why I’m pysical tonight
He probably didn’t practice soft-field take off with flaps, during his PPL days. 😎
Ppl bot
No flaps and partial throttle or a problem getting to full throttle…self inflicted
I was looking like he has no flaps set
I agree I noticed no flaps as well
OK yeah but...hidden obstacle?..was it the standing water?
@@bigteam6919 Sprinklers would have undoubtedly made soft ground..but it looks like there's a couple times when the spray coming up from the tires..pops up...did hitting berms of water..large puddles..arrest speed?
Including other factors..
Unfamiliar wet grass runways call for short field takeoffs every time. This plane was in a clean configuration as if it was on pavement. He was not set up for success.
You mean soft field takeoff
@@BigLucs soft and short are two different methods.
@@TB-um1xzto hell with getting stuck, I’d pick short field and get off well before the muddy mess those sprinklers are bound to make.
@@kombolasha I guess you don't know what a soft field takeoff is.
@@kombolashasoft field and short are both 10 degrees of flaps, but soft is yoke back until you see the plane wheelie up, then release a little yoke and as the plane lifts off, push the nose down to gain speed before climbing out above the obstacle. Short field is a normal take-off with flaps, but much more ground roll, which isn't necessary on a wet runway like this. No reason not to do short field.
Pilot forgot to plug his brain in the night before for a full charge.
probably got a good lay and was too busy remembering it instead of thinking about his plane.
Those pesky elevation changes will jump right out when you least expect them … It’s almost like there should be some directory of airport facilities or something … if only that existed
Hey that s a good idea! You should make a book of em all or somethin
@@rohanbaty3155 book? LOL, I’m 51, you must be older than that if you think “books” are still used. 🤣🤣
But it's downhill. That helps you, not hinders.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I just had to use a book full of chart supplements on my PPL checkride 😅😅😅
Short/soft field takeoff procedures really need increased emphasis in initial training nowadays.
It is people just forget about their importance and get complacent
His flaps were no set so he got no lift
Planes can take off without them, just takes longer. That's a problem when space is limited.
@@steilkurbler4973When getting your ppl you practice soft field takeoffs and landings. You are supposed to deploy flaps and not be in a clean configuration. This pilot is at fault
@@FinnACurran That's right, but the wing generates lift no matter what the ground surface is. Soft fields just have much more drag to overcome to build up airspeed. IIRC the rule of thumb was around 40% than hard surface runways. You can still take off without flaps, it just takes way longer, which is a problem when space is limited.
That’s not how aerodynamics work…
@@RandyMarsh-nu6lo extended flaps do generate more lift, but they also induce more drag.
I lived in a small neighborhood like this in North Pole AK. I very much liked NOT having to pay airport & ramp fees
Which was your favorite reindeer? 😂
His wallet had a “really bad day.”
T/O Flaps????
Turbo P32R. They require a stage of flap for a normal take off. And the T-tail model has less control authority due to being positioned above the slipstream. Unfortunately, sluggish acceleration is sometimes difficult to detect. Pre-takeoff safety brief should cover this. Possibly used to flying off long, paved runways. Short, water logged grass strip had the odds stacked against him. It’s a terrible feeling when you know you’re running out of runway.
In his defense.
If I was unsure whether I'd make it past the trees in the air, I'd rather hit them on the ground.
Absolutely. Aborting was a good decision. It was the only good decision, but the most important one.
@@ZC.Andrewwell is not that after a certain V speed you are obliged to rotate with some aircrafts ??
That was my airplane, it was my pride and joy, life long dream plane. My friend destroyed it and I lost $70,000 . Never under insure your plane
Oh man, I can feel the pain in your comment. Are you still friends?
Sorry to hear. Good lesson about insurance.
Sorry friend. Hope some things go your way.
Had your friend operated this aircraft from that field before?
A few things wrong with this I believe. I haven’t read the AFM for this aircraft but most soft field/short field takeoffs require flaps as well as using as much possible usable runway. Then holding the breaks and using full throttle until manifold pressure and rpm are stabilized at full before starting takeoff. Plus grass adds to your total takeoff distance depending on what it says in the AFM.
You can’t really hold the brakes on grass. It will drag the wheels.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 The premise is still sound... rev up, hold spot ... release for max distance. Also FLAPS ! (Engage flaps partway down the runway if you need to get speed early)
Better then him panicking and rotating then still not clearing the trees and stall spinning it into the terrain. So that was the better decision he made.
One hundred percent. A ground base, the board beats taking an emergency into the air below V1 rotation speed.
As others have said, there's an error on display here by not having flaps deployed. But the judgment in aborting the take off was smart.
Stupid is as Stupid does
That's a golf club . Not a runway.
As a pilot who knows a lot of drunken surgeons ....I know this .
First, don't try to take off in mid day. 2nd, do your performance take off calculations. Lesson learned
A proof that not all pilots has all what it takes to carry the responsibility of flying hundreds of passengers in an airliner
He should use flaps for take off
And that's why, you don't hire crop dusters from craigslist
Another reason why helicopters are superior
Wouldn't you walk the runway first? Like if I'm not sure my car will clear a bump, I go check it out, and thats driving 2 dimensionally - I'd probably be out there with yard stick and surveying tools if I had to lift a plane off a grass strip
taking off in wet runway will quickly dimish take off distance
I think you mean extend the takeoff distance. Lol. Having no flaps also does not help. Bad combo.
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Should’ve used 10 to 15° of flap
Looks more akin to a golf course than anything the FAA would designate a “runway”
"UNFORTUNATELY NOBODY WAS HURT" HELL NAH YOU'RE GOIN IN HELL
He said Fortunately
Yeah he modified the video
First rule as a pilot....FLY the plane.
When your drunk neighbor wants to show off his plane.
I know that for larger aircraft that gave two or more engines, there is a speed called V1, meaning that you must either have made a “go” decision for the takeoff or already taking action to abort the takeoff. I think it’s different for the small lightweight aircraft that have only one engine. There must be a point to where once you meet certain criteria in terms of speed and distance, you must continue with the takeoff.
I love how the people just calmly say “ he wrecked it” like it happens every day 😂
Since it isnt mentioned, the "obstacle halfway down the runway" was about 4 inches of water pooled across the runway that sapped his speed.
Part of flight planning is comprehensively studying the runway chart for elevation changes before takeoff. We've got a 10000 foot runway and it's got a few up and downs along the way. When it's very wet it affects the aircraft's takeoff and landing rollout. Yes, it's grooved, but that doesn't do much when we have relatively high volumes of rain coming down per second. The fastest jets can have the most aggravating time trying to smoothly decelerate.
Poor guy, that outta cost at least 50-60,000 dollars right there
Tower: clear for take off . Pilot: uhhh, we fucked up !
“He gon’ wreck it.”
“Yep he wrecked it.”
And who knows what the outside air temperature was that day.
Sadly I know someone who died in a plane crash 😢 R. I. P.
Yez😢
"Fortunately nobody was hurt"
The plane itself: WELL THANKS
“He’s gonnnnnna wreak it”😂😂😂😂
This is why you don't smoke a doobie before flying for a second tyme
At least it wasnt like the botswana crash where 3 people died after a plane crashed into a building
No flaps.
“He gonna wreck it”
why did i get reminded of ralph from that movie
“nobody was hurt” the pilot: am I a joke to you?
Taxi on grass, that’s like skydiving without a parachute
For a minute there I thought there was going to be a spinosaurus
Flaps!? And yes, I'm a pilot for both: helicopters and fixedwing... just makes sense!
A lot of unqualified arrogance in this comments section. Unless you know the exact model of aircraft that this is, have read the specific hanbook for it and know the soft field takeoff proceedure, you probably shouldn't be on your high horse about flaps and taking the pilot's licence away and such. Maybe start off by reading the NTSB report or something basic.
His private license should come under question and maybe taking away from him and not ever giving back to him
being too timid is a thing ya gotta be confident enough to hit full power and pull up❤
When in doubt, don't. Especially in flying❤
I like how they worded the video's script so when it loops, the dialog continues naturally :)
The pilot aborted early enough not to lose his life. We're all human. Even experienced 5,000 hour pilots are prone to make major mistakes. The pilot got the most important part right, and that involved deliberately crashing it. There's nothing 'instinctive' here - many pilots have died in similar circumstances, being mentally unprepared to call such a decision.
A little turtle wax ? You back in business boss ! 😂
Perfect loop 🔁
oh, smooth loop edit, bro
“Unfortunately” no one was hurt.”
This is a classic example of not having planned the takeoff, no matter how routine
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance
Trust your charts. By law every aircraft must have a POH, which will contain takeoff charts. The charts are heavily factored and include runway slope, wind, temperature, density altitude etc. If the chart says the aircraft will make it, THE AIRCRAFT WILL MAKE IT.
That was one hell of a snowball of errors. Glad everyone lived.
Should have been a short field takeoff, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't, as you can see the flaps are fully retracted
He gon wreck it
-Some random southern dude 2023
So many arm chair pilots in the comments. Smh. If you look carefully, the takeoff flaps IS lowered. One cannot use landing flaps for takeoff cuz it's only for landing
All the drugs on board was too much weight for that runway.
Clint Eastwood " dirty harry" said it beat best man got to know his limitations!!!😅 😂
The Southern accents stand out juxtaposed with the narrator's Canadian accent.
Soft field takeoff's usually require the use of flaps plus MINIMAL nose pressure, unless the POH states differently.
When doing a soft field takeoff you lift off at rotation speed and hold ground effect until you can build up speed to hold Vy. If its s short soft field you use the Vx climb out speed and hold until clear of obstacle and decrease flaps incrementally holding a positive rate.
I did not see any of this from this pilot, also looked like no pre-takeoff briefing, and the pilot should have calculated their takeoff performance prior to the flight.
Online pilot classes!!!!???....😂
The runway is a big problem too, alongside the plane’s gear of course.
There should be an emergency stop net at the end to avoid this because it could’ve ended badly.
thanks goodness for this narrator I wouldn’t know what was happening🙏
Glad they survived
NO pilot.....
Just as thick as two short wings...!!
bro crashed like my drone
Wrecked him?
Damn near killed him.
My mom worked at one of these neighborhoods in Florida. It was a really trippy set up to see in person
The Piper lance has a squirrelly elevator and is not forgiving with low speed and short runways.
When you can't tell if you're in a plane or a car. It do be like that sometimes.
Pablo's runway did about the same thing in Columbia. Aero Commander pilots had some serious vision problems (so I read)!
That big spray coming up about halfway through the takeoff run is proof that those sprinklers caused a flooded area. That is standing water which increases drag significantly. That could have made all the difference if it was dry.
I SEE NO FLAPS DOWN IN THIS,Pilot errors....!.!.!
To quote 74 Gear, "Even though they look like tin cans with a lawnmower motor, they can still take quite a beating and you still walk away."
This pilot was just a rich kid without experience
"Bro where your flaps at?"
Thats why you do performance calcs before takeoff if there is any doubt whatsoever
As other people mentioned, he should have flapped his wings like a bird. You can see as he's passing by, he is not flapping his wings
Idk what the winds were, but the tree line at the side he left from were way shorter lol. Flaps obviously since it's a soft field. Idk what the POH says for his plane though...
See, he wasn't stubborn, nor arrogant, and didn't let his EGO get in the way and lived to see another day. This should be a training video for all future private plane pilots.
this is why v-takeoff speed exists .. following them is a must, when you pass v1 you are automatically committed to the take off .. you cannot abort the take off regardless of what happens
Single engine airplane didn't had the V1 speed, that's only available at airplane with >1 engine
No v1 speed in a single engine. How would u continue after V1 when the engine quits? 🤪
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 there’s no V1 on single engine airplane, if engine fails while the aircraft still on the ground, you hit the brakes, and hopes runway still available, when the engine fails just after airborne, you do forced landing procedure.
@@faisalarh LOL, I basically said that. Not sure what u are trying to explain to me.
If you're unfamiliar with runway, how about taxing down the runway first. Assess requirements. Then attempt take off