We take the issue of counterfeit and knock-off parts very seriously and were unaware of your example until seeing this video. We put any inventory of the product detailed in your video on hold and have made it unsellable. We will review with Speedmaster and take the necessary actions based on those conversations. Thank you for making us aware.
Let's use any revenue owed from this counterfeit product and any other products they have on summit to make this guy whole again. And then going forward what can we do to get the real product listed on summit. This can't be the only bs product this seller has... summit should come forward now and come clean about all dealings with this seller and what possible fakes may be out there
To quote Home Alone, "You're what the French call, 'les incompetents'" Hand a part to a work drone in front of a computer. Here, copy this. "Okay, boss." (Indifferently copies the entire thing and yawns.)
Hey Brent, too true. Can just imagine someone selling a fake PFI tune that blows engines. If only there was more integrity and kindness in the world like you have, we'd all be better off. We just gotta keep taking the high roads and calling out the wrongs we see.
I feel your pain. I built a complete capacitor tester for a large corporation and it ran perfectly for years. I got a call 8 years later that they got it back from their china plant and it didn't work any-more. I scheduled a service call and when I saw the machine, it was obviously not ours. The Chinese copied (at our customer's blessing, no doubt) an entire tester with PLC, control panel, power factor inductors, custom enclosures, thermal chamber. To top it off, they put a copy of our corporate sticker on it. Of course, it never ran, and could not be made to. I walked out.
Was refreshing to hear an adult express the truth in a fair and intelligent way. I hope this resolves in your favor. I see summit has responded as well. Let's all get the word out and bump this up.
I'm not a Ford guy, but I hate it when a real designer gets ripped off. It's hard enough to build a good quality product and keep the lights on for a small shop, but doing it while someone else is ripping off your work? That's maddening. I'm sharing this with my friends who are Ford guys. You rock.
This kind of dishonorable crap makes my blood boil. They do it because we let them and don't hold them accountable. I wish our legislative branch would do something useful, but alas, there is so much money, power and leverage involved.
This man is very smart and articulate.He is 100 percent on point.I would be incredibly pissed if someone copied my product and then had the balls to put my name on it.I think he should pursue this legally.
Jay, as a Ford Torino enthusiast who administers an online Torino community, I will be sure to spread this information. This angers me so I can only imagine how upset you must be! I have bought parts from your for my C6 and your parts and customer service are top notch. I proudly support small businesses that help us niche market guys who want to drive something that is not ordinary. The car community needs people like you and I am happy to pay a bit more and wait a bit longer to get quality parts like yours. Many of us are tight for money and looking for a good deal, but I will never buy anything from Speedmaster and do my part to support small talented vendors like you.
He built a transmission for me, he knows transmissions. He is top shelf. Only get what he makes, you will not be disappointed. Keep letting people know, and contact Summit. If they do not support your case, let us know. I can buy parts elsewhere! P.S. My c6 trans is the best.
No way in hell would I buy anything from Speedmaster. I've bought various items from you including a C6 valve body. I'm thankful you make parts for us and hope you make them pay.
Summit has known of what Speed master does. The response is only this big because of how monumentally bad it is. Check out Uncle Tony's Garage. He did a video that explains it all for what it is.
Had an experience with a set of speedmaster rod’s recently. As soon as I picked them up I knew something was up with this company. Very poor quality and tolerances where all over the place. Yet they play up a facade that they make some of the best parts in the business. The biggest punch in the balls is that they charge almost the same price as the high quality, precision, and made in the USA parts. Never again. I hope this information continues to spread.
Speedmaster parts aren’t nearly the price of big name parts. I’m not sure where you got that from. And why would you knowingly buy internal engine parts from them lmao that’s on you.
Clearly none of you have had to recently build an engine when the entire industry had supply issues. At the time they seemed like a reasonable alternative, also price difference was only about $20 less per rod then their higher quality equivalent. That’s pretty damn close in price if you ask me for how much worse their products are. Also actual information about speedmaster parts has been quite sparse until recently. I don’t know why I even try to explain this, clearly you all think you’re all so cleaver behind that keyboard.
Sean I appreciate you sharing your lousy experience with Speedmaster rods. We have gotten so accustomed to speed vendors having components in stock or special orders only taking a couple of weeks to be delivered. Unfortunately the COVID shutdown took a huge toll on our performance industry and especially the smaller companies that didn’t have the resources to survive without daily business. Overall the recovery has been slow but steady. The more common parts are sometimes taking a couple of weeks to get and custom orders are experiencing six months or more delay times. Naturally as a result the price of performance is higher than ever before and making budget builds nearly impossible. Since you had no prior knowledge of Speedmasters reputation for shitty quality and their rods cost $20 less each with a shorter wait time than the better known name brands, that’s a $160 savings for a set of eight and more than enough reason to buy them. Especially considering how the fool in the White House and his democrat cronies have ruined the American economy. We all learn from our mistakes. I almost made the Speedmaster mistake many years ago when they were called Procomp Electronics. I’ve been seriously into Ford 351 Cleveland engines for 40 years. Decades ago when Procomp made 351C heads available in aluminum alloy at a dirt cheap price, I almost became a victim of their inferior product. Fortunately for me the word about their bad machining quality spread pretty fast and the cost of a machine shop to make them race worthy was enough to change anybody’s mind. I’m just glad I found out before wasting any money. Some builders claim to have success after extensive machining but why bother ? Alloy Cleveland heads are available now from legitimate sources that are remarkable right out of the box 🏁.
Capitalism is about making $ as easy as possible. Companies like them will occasionally get sued, but only sometimes and only after they've made millions on the product. Add in Companies like summit or Amazon that have many 100s of sellers on their platform and now you have multiple entities involved in the theft, making it take even more work and time to receive justice.
The first thing that should be done is for SUMMIT to cease any more sales of products from this company in China. If SUMMIT refuses to remove this from their sales then perhaps a boycott of Summit products is in order.
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 I believe that, but I believe SEMA and PRI can help the process quite a bit by putting pressure on their members that sell the counterfeit parts by these companies. I think if the evidence is shown and you continue to support it they (SEMA and PRI) could go as far as not allowing them to be involved in their services, up to and including displaying at or attending their shows. If you take away the larger players in moving these parts in our industry it should have a big impact on this issue.
That's definitely pretty ballsy. I loved my broader performance. C4 trans break worked great. When anybody asks what trans break, they should get for a c4 I always recommend your valve body
Jay, Ed from Spak's Automotive. I loved all you products that I bought over the years. Never had an issue period!!! I have preached to my customers about knock off parts from major retailers. I won't install their crap. I have always bought direct to build my units. Thanks for what you do. Push the issue. This is Theft. Good luck
Many years ago when I was custom making and selling parts, I had an order come in that was paid for from what appeared to be a US customer but the shipping address was to a company in china. I knew they were looking to copy my parts, so I went to my reject trash bins, and found the worst part with the most defects and sent it to them so they could copy that one.
I’ve seen first hand the quality of speedmaster products. One of my customers had a pair of their 35mm axles for his 9” spooled rear which was fitted in a 3500lb sedan, 600hp big block, nothing fancy just a good solid car. Two burnouts and passes down the 1/4 then reversing out of his pit bay, the left axle bent between the flange and bearing. We have never seen anything like it in 30 plus years of racing…. Oh and speedmaster is the current name for ProComp if anyone is old enough to remember them.
Made the mistake of “saving money” with an SBC hei distributor and mini starter from them. Out of the box the distributor didn’t work properly and starter failed within a month.
I used to work there a year ago. They take broken parts off the shelves and ship them to costumers 🤷🏻♀️ don’t buy from Speedmaster all their parts come from China
Sue the shit out of them Jay, and let summit know and send them along with speedmaster, a certified Cease and Desist letter, notifying them about the counterfeit part with your name on it. Stopping a Chinese company like this is near impossible, Devilbiss has had the same issue. But going after the resellers might be your best option. I've told people for year's, don't buy speedmaster trash. So sorry you have to deal with this now, best of luck Sir.
@@mikepatrona472dude, settle the fuck down, they have good customer service snd they sell HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of different parts. There is literally no functional possible they could have known it eas counterfit without buying the real thing snd conpsring it, which ZERO COMPANY xould EVER afford to do, especially frkm a labor standpoint. If youre this paranoid, buy your own CNC
I will no longer buy anything from speedbastard79 aka greedmaster79 aka speedmaster79. Im glad you made this video, hope it makes the rounds. I've always wondered what the story was behind that company and this video definitely confirmed my suspicions. I know the feeling i get when someone goes to great lengths to copy something i did and i cant imagine how mad I would be if they even put my name on it! I hope justice is served and youre compensated for your hard work.
I'm adding @summitracing to that list as well as I have zero faith that they didn't know about this. If they didn't then that's doubly as bad. I'd rather believe they knew and ignored it than believe they are completely incompetent and have zero care. You are as good as your friends(business partners) and in this case they got caught and that tells me everything I need to know about them.
@@ricrok1978 I think Summit Racing made the right move for the hand they were dealt. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but at the end of the day Speedmaster79 was the problem. Summit did the right thing and set the trend for the other distributors to follow.
I was in the same boat as you over her in Australia, as the owner of a marine part component manufacturer, the foundry's I used where using my patterns for making my parts for my competitors then just copied my patterns once I realized. I simply just gave up sold out. Speedmaster79 formally Speedmaster formally Procomp is the lowest of the low. Well known for selling cheap copies Chinese rubbis products responsible for many an expensive failure.
I’m 44 years old and it saddens me when I think about all of the things that are/will be going away because Real craftsmen are retiring. The newer generations are not interested in learning from the “Old Timers”. Once they are gone they’re gone. No matter how much schooling you take you cannot learn certain tricks of the trade without that long line of passed down heritage.
@@Mike44460I’m 33 and very angry. decisions made 40 years ago to buy into the Chicago Boys economic model destroyed not only American manufacturing, but fair wage growth for workers. We need to cut off all trade with China as a start since they can’t play fair, and bring back some 1950’s era policies to re-establish local manufacturing. Additive manufacturing aka 3d printing is the future and could reinvigorate this country. Certain people like the 0.01% won’t be happy, but they are part of the problem in this country by destroying local manufacturing.
"Made in USA" still means something. Great approach & attitude! Gonna forward this to Alex (Alejandro Flores), a tuner with Lund Performance. He hates this stuff & has a pretty big reach.
This has been a problem for some time especially with Summit racing they sell products without checking the validity of the products they sell as with Speedmaster products even Comp cams who seem to have quality control issues but in reality have just went the route of selling crap to the public for profit selling junk made overseas to the public is basically stealing in my book. If you redesign your products put made in the good ole USA stamp logo on them with a serial number etched to identify a forged copy. Keep fighting these for profit companies that don’t stand behind what they sell because they know they’re ripping people off.
There are so many counterfeit products these days, some are even in packaging nearly exactly like the real deal item...and this happens in all sort of industries. Telling real from counterfeit can be very difficult, at least with this situation they are putting the fake in a different box. Hopefully Summit will pull the item from their site.
they say they have - they say they will have words with speedmaster. i bet those words are: we are sending them you back, we can't sell them until you mill off the guy's name.
I've had similar things happen to me over the years. As a naval architect selling my small boat design plans to home builders, I've had my plans pirated on several occasions, reprinted and sold with my name and logo. Then, people that bought the knock-offs would contact me with questions and requests for tech support when they would run into a snag while building their boat. Really pissed me off but I couldn't do anything about it - the thieves were in third world countries. I feel your pain, brother! I'm retired now but this sort of thing still burns my bacon!
That really sucks Jay. Speedmaster and ProComp are nothing but junk. Sadly some of the great companies have been ripped or decided to send their manufacturing offshore. I wish you the best and hope somehow you get these thieves to cease and desist.
In the past I've bought products from Pro-comp/Speedmaster/Speedmaster 79 (all the same company), and they have never failed to be junk. cheap copy and junk. Anyone that buys anything from these guys is asking for trouble. My last purchase was some valve covers. You think what could go wrong with valve covers? I had to get them welded up becuase the sealing flange left gaps. NEVER EVER regardless of how cheap they are , NEVER buy ANYTHING from these guys.
We'll see what happens with the RTR distributor kit I got from them. I bought it back in 2019 and still haven't put the car together yet, so if it's fucked so am I lol.
@@cjolney I would imagine that the ready to run distributor you bought looks very similar to the RTR from MSD. That’s one of the misleading tactics Speedmaster/Procomp Electronics uses to trick customers into thinking the junk copies are from a reputable manufacturer and then rebranded with the Speedmaster name. The lower price of the junk item is the sweet deal that we all are looking for. Depending upon the intended use of your vehicle, an ignition system failure will surely fuck up your day. A lost round of eliminations could be costly but being stranded in your daily driver always seems to happen at the worst possible time and place. When you finish your build the junk distributor might work just fine but for how long ? The reliability of a “real” name brand like MSD, Mallory or Accel is worth the extra cost and considering all of the negative reviews by pissed off buyers of Speedmaster components, the extra cost also buys reliable performance too. Hope to hear how your build turns out 🏁
Jay I can’t thank you enough for TELLING IT LIKE IT IS in your own to the point manner and EXPOSING THE BLATANT FRAUD being perpetrated on unsuspecting buyers. By doing this video and hopefully more, you’re increasing public awareness of a global problem that impacts the United States the most because Americans are the largest consumers of aftermarket performance products. I first became aware of the Speedmaster brand and their American importers / distributors many years ago when they started selling alloy Ford Cleveland cylinder heads at surprisingly low prices. Before buying this unknown product I researched the complaints from pissed off buyers. Problems like excessive casting flash, major machining errors with valve seats, valve angles, port locations and huge variations in chamber volume. The additional costs for a machine shop to correct the poor quality issues is enough reason to avoid Speedmaster heads. As for Summit Racing, I’ve been a satisfied customer for a long time. However, finding out that they are selling Broader branded products, or inferior Chinese copies using the Broader brand name without having a legal contract to do so, or allegedly any other major name brands without first verifying their source is legitimate, is reason enough to be concerned. Summit has always been my preferred parts vendor and I hope they will investigate this serious issue and take appropriate action against Speedmaster and their fraudulent practices. Jay I think using serial numbers and/or date codes would help expose fraud and give customers some additional confidence that they are purchasing genuine Broader Performance components. I’m currently looking for a solid C4 and converter for my well prepared Cleveland and I like the idea of purchasing directly from Broader 🏁
So sorry to see this. It continues every day in our industry. The only thing that can slow it down is videos like this, and showing buyers that there are differences even though they look the same. Knowing the people behind the product is important to me, I wish more people felt that way.
speedmaster aka procomp aka DSM aka CVF. Are all one in the same. Companies like Summit or Aeroflow, better known as Aerofail here in Australia, that sell their own brand name parts are no better. It's all cheap, Chinese made, copied junk. The way they get around copyright is by changing dimensions or bolt hole separation etc. They stay in business because there's always going to be people looking for cheap parts. Just remember, the poor man pays twice.
There are several well known companies here in the States that have a reputation for making good quality components. Many of them buy their raw materials from China and manufacture them using CNC machines to precision tolerances. The metals produced by the Chinese foundries certainly don’t know what country they’re from. But the key is the specifications or quality of the metallurgy and various alloys made by the foundries has to meet the requirements of the U.S. company’s that ordered them. A good example would be Scat rotating assemblies. All products have a limited lifespan regardless of who makes them. But Scat has a good overall reputation for products that survive in extreme engine builds. If I understand correctly, they order quality blanks from Chinese foundries and do their precision machining on the finished product at their facility here in the States. There are several American companies that do the same thing with excellent results because they closely monitor the metallurgy process. With that being said, it’s also a good idea to verify if the expensive performance component you’re thinking about buying was also machined in China. That’s the one to avoid because Chinese machine shops have a shitty reputation for quality control 🤷♂️ 🇺🇸 🏁.
Summit makes money off these counterfeiters, too. They'll do some sort of wack-a-mole, maybe pull this one thing now that light is shined on it, and continue to sell a multitude of other Speedbastard low-quality, stolen crap made by people who are paid barely enough to survive.
If summit really was an respectable american company, they would never had started selling parts from an company anyone in the industry knows makes chinese copy cat products of questionable quality.
@@coolhanddruidYou're not wrong, but most people don't care where something is made and who got abused to manufacture it. It feels like a lost cause. I've gotten so cynical.
Back when I worked for a major performance manufacturer in New England, I designed several new products that sold well, even to this day, and that was over 20 years ago. Summit waited to see how well the parts sold then decided to copy them and sell them under their house brand! And for less money!
I got the 4r70w Transmission package from Jay years ago. Still behind my 351. Jay was helpful and worked with me when I had questions. I support Jay and have recommend his products to everyone I could. Thank you Jay for the work you do.
I feel for you mate. Have you thought of putting a serial number on your products to track them? Keep fighting the good fight against the big companies 👍🇦🇺
i was thinking the same thing. serial number and 2factor authenticated from buyer and maker/seller to confirm authenticity of part before any warranty/issue claim processing.
It's been going on for years, everyone buying knock offs for 3% cheaper and then they wonder why companies are going away and they end up with shit parts.
Hey man, I don’t know you or your company from Adam but I am with you and I am glad to see Summit has stepped up already in the comments. I hope the best for you and your company! And if I am ever in the market for a trans-brake, I will definitely remember your company!
I retired before most of this happened but in the field I specialized in it started fairly strong. When you can buy equipment for a third of what we sold it for it hurts & it'll play hell will your reputation. The only thing I think will work is to put the word out their product is a knock-off. Summit is, as far as I know, is a reputable business but they may not know what they selling.
A high output 180 amp alternator (their cheap sticker said it was) ,was ordered and it tested 119 amps cold. There are companies in the USA that do that.
Usually, that's peak output at 2000 rpm unless that's the idle ouput pay attention to the difference when looking for a high output alternator. I suggest using JS, Brand-X, Mechman. All viable options for high ouput alts.🤙
I listened to your video to the end . Thank you for your time and posting . We have to deal with counter-fit issues and conflict every time we order anything on line these days . Hope you find the proper advice on dealing with corporate greed and can make it right for your company.
Thank you for making everyone aware. Keep fighting the good fight. You have certainly enlighted me. Most certainly will change my purchasing habits from the "big corp sellers"
In the import community, we have a notorious company who does the same crap called Private Label Manufacturing. Thank you for speaking up against these kinds of companies. They are a plague to the car communities we love.
You are so correct. The small companies and enthusiasts will be put out of business. You as the guy that put all of the effort and knowledge into developing the part should reap the award as it’s your idea. That intellectual property is yours not some Chinese cheaters. And shame on summit purchasing department for not catching these knock offs and actually using your name.
China doesn't give a F@#$. They make American flags. It's to late since they pretty much manufacturer everything. Jan 1st 1994 Free trade agreement signed.
Well said, very well said. They pretty much tied small business ownees hands. I've been through a similar situation, family owned a company since the early 1980s.. our product and patent were copied and used by a competitor. Long story short after a several year Court battle. We won 1 million in damages, and ceased their production of our product .. here's the kicker, it cost us 1,130,000 in attorney fees to fight the battle. So in the end it cost us $130,000 to keep someone else from ripping us off
Sadly the world is full of folks who will steal the best of the hard-working folks. Your video gets to the heart of the matter. Those who steal and act as agents should be taken to court to stop the theft and recover their losses. I will share your video with our congressional reps and the US Trade Commission. Hoping for the best outcome for you.
I work in a different area of the Automotive Industry we reproduce a ton of F-Body parts and have been fighting this for a little while now. I feel your pain! Discussing with some other industry people, we have determined China is using an AI based program that monitors online sales/traffic to determin what to produce. Then they copy that and distribute it through our stateside ports under various different company names. It's all over eBay at the moment. The worst part is the customer is unaware and is just looking at price and shipping time.
Anyone selling anything similar to yours with your business name on it is guilty of selling counterfeit goods. The laws are fairly cut and dry in the US. Large corporate resellers know exactly what’s happening and are using loopholes to get away with stealing from small businesses like yours. Great video showcasing a terrible and even dangerous situation in multiple industries.
It's been a couple decades since I rebuilt a C4, but I could see right off the bat how well machined your valve body is. They could have easily copied the basic design as a casting with their own name on it, or one of any of the other valve bodies that others have made in the past, and gotten away with it. THIS is beyond idiocy.
We did our own inspection of inventory and discovered additional valve bodies with the Broader Performance logo. Rather than return the valve bodies to Speedmaster, we are destroying them at our facility to prevent any possibility of them entering the supply chain through a marketplace or another distributor. We have dropped the entire Speedmaster line and will not be selling its products.
This seems to be happening more and more. I bought some parts for a wheeler I was working on and they were knock offs,then didn't want the crap back when I said I was going to ship them back.
I’ve never seen a trans brake and I freakin love this guy! I don’t even wrench on cars either. This video should be used for anything Designed, Sold and Made In America. Thank you Jay and Broader Performance!
@@BroaderPerformance yeah cheers I will still make my product to help boxer engines hold there HG stronger....just sucks how even if we copy right our product China comes along and takes it for a run for its money
Our shop buys most of our performance parts from summit not anymore. Years ago I saw a mouse trap on youtube that a young kid built in his garage that works great, uses a 5 gallon pail so in a storage building it doesn't have to be reset. Immediately after he released it, China was selling a copy. I went out of my way to buy his. I am sorry to hear this. When a customer knowingly brings china junk and asks me to make it work right, I tell them they are to stupid to operate that piece of equipment there going to get hurt. I will write a letter to summit after 25 years of buying from them. I thought more of them. If people only knew what is going on out there.
You have a damages claim against Summit and this 79 people. You need to contact an attorney and take action. Great video. Really great video. Much respect to you.
A simple cease and desist letter to Summit and who ever else sells it, won't cost you much of anything. The sooner you put them on notice, the better. It was most likely Summit Racing that had it made in China. Just like the giant Marine store, West Marine. They basically had chinese copies made of just about everything they sell, from clothing to pumps. Anything with a West Marine brand. They even copied Sperry Top Sider shoes. Engrave something that's highly offensive to Chinese people and their government. Also, engrave a large "Version 2" on it.
If this were my product, I would sue the hell out of Speedmaster. Not only did they copy your product, they damaged your brand by selling an inferior product under your brand name. They didn't "accidentally" machine your brand name onto their product. It was intentional.
Hi Summit. Thanks for responding to this so quickly. Sounds like you’ve got a buyer sourcing questionable products. The big question is whether or not this is part of your business model.
This is not our business model in any way. We were unaware that Speedmaster was engaging in such practices. We have removed the product in question here and are working on appropriate action in regards to the rest of the line.
Watched whole vid blood boiling, same happened to me here in Australia, i designed a braking product for our early Falcons, sell the small time, start putting them out on ebay and bingo a mob of copying a$$holes in Castlemaine suddenly have the same product at a cheaper price! Coincidence they say🤦♂️
Great video, this kind of thing goes on in many industries, and we support China by buying all their cheap junk and crap. If Americans just cared more about supporting American companies, they’d pay attention more where they spend their money. This guy is an example of the American dream, and this story is an example of how we’ve allowed our enemies to steal from us, and yet we keep supporting them. Intellectual property is valuable, and guys like this deserve to have their hard work and designs protected. Politicians are too worried about making enemies and getting elected instead of enforcing laws and tariffs on countries like China, and stopping them from shipping counterfeit junk across our borders. Americans used to have more pride, instead of staring at their cell phones all day. I commend this business owner for making this video and calling out the thieves and those that support them
Great Video Jay, you are so right this is egregious. The world is crazy, I like your train of thought, your innovation is very much appreciated. Thank you for helping us understand what is really happening!
Everyone says "sue them, sue them" what you don't realize these are huge companies with deep pockets that could tie you up for years and years with expensive litigation! I've had an American company do the same to me. Their response "what are you going to do about it". Pretty much helpless. Only avenue is what Jay is doing here, expose them for what they are.
The big corporations and wall street/bankers are even worse than the China rip off manufacturers. US corps silence and censor innovators. The rigged system ensures big capitalism always wins
The guy who invent the color screen for computers did have an insurance to cover all copy bastards.... he really did sue many and got the really big ones to pay. Now you can not get insurance to save your rights.... strange or a good plan for the big dudes who are copy-basters.
I used to work for a USA based aftermarket suspension company. It is unreal how quickly everything is cloned, copied changed etc. IMO the online retailers know what is going on, but as long as they get paid they don't care. But I'm surprised by Summit, I would expect anything there would be for real. That's shocking to me that they are no better than Amazon or eBay.
I mean, Summit might very well be more honorable than eBay and Amazon. The bar is set pretty low relative to those latter two. eBay facilitates selling of shoplifted goods all day long, every day. Amazon has so many counterfeits that it's hard to know what's legitimate anymore. I ordered what I thought was 3M body panel double sided tape, received it, it looked completely legit in every way, but failed miserably in its application. I bought the same stuff from a brick and mortar store and it was like night and day. The crooks set up 20 seller accounts with names made from mashing the keyboard, and they sell the brand name at half price. It's very predictable and identifiable, and a huge company like Amazon could definitely write algorithms to detect it. If they cared.
I hope this sorts out in your favor. Your hard work and dedication are something that should be rewarded not diminished. Props for bringing this to the public's attention. Keep going. You are in the right.
I don't even own any Ford automobiles, but this pisses me off to no end. If it wasn't for mega warehouses like Summit, businesses like "Speedbastard79" wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Jay Thank You For Being an American! I heard about this last night on UTG, Hat Tip to Tony. How you describe Broader Performance reminded me of how William Hewlett or David Packard would describe Hewlett Packard, that is an American story! And Yes, We Do Need To Be Reminded. Jay, Please Do Not Stop Being Jay.
Thanks from England for making this video. As for Summit, I have had my doubts about them for some time as simply not being as good as some people believe they are. And, start using serial numbers and keep a basic record of the serial numbers.
We take the issue of counterfeit and knock-off parts very seriously and were unaware of your example until seeing this video. We put any inventory of the product detailed in your video on hold and have made it unsellable. We will review with Speedmaster and take the necessary actions based on those conversations. Thank you for making us aware.
Thank you for sharing this information and replying to his video.
Fwew, I was going to say mean things on Twitter.
Let's use any revenue owed from this counterfeit product and any other products they have on summit to make this guy whole again. And then going forward what can we do to get the real product listed on summit. This can't be the only bs product this seller has... summit should come forward now and come clean about all dealings with this seller and what possible fakes may be out there
I don't believe you.
Are you going to contact customers that previously bought them from you and refund them?
They put your name on the knock off is just wild… Definitely Sharing this.
To quote Home Alone, "You're what the French call, 'les incompetents'"
Hand a part to a work drone in front of a computer. Here, copy this. "Okay, boss." (Indifferently copies the entire thing and yawns.)
They Bought 1, sent it to China, who reproduced Everything, including the logo, poorly
yeah, then they get the customer support for free. LOL. Unbeleivable.
Hey Brent, too true. Can just imagine someone selling a fake PFI tune that blows engines. If only there was more integrity and kindness in the world like you have, we'd all be better off. We just gotta keep taking the high roads and calling out the wrongs we see.
Good to see you here bud! 💪
I feel your pain.
I built a complete capacitor tester for a large corporation and it ran perfectly for years.
I got a call 8 years later that they got it back from their china plant and it didn't work any-more.
I scheduled a service call and when I saw the machine, it was obviously not ours.
The Chinese copied (at our customer's blessing, no doubt) an entire tester with PLC, control panel, power factor inductors, custom enclosures, thermal chamber. To top it off, they put a copy of our corporate sticker on it.
Of course, it never ran, and could not be made to.
I walked out.
Was refreshing to hear an adult express the truth in a fair and intelligent way. I hope this resolves in your favor. I see summit has responded as well. Let's all get the word out and bump this up.
I'm not a Ford guy, but I hate it when a real designer gets ripped off. It's hard enough to build a good quality product and keep the lights on for a small shop, but doing it while someone else is ripping off your work? That's maddening. I'm sharing this with my friends who are Ford guys. You rock.
I have no words. Sad isn't accurate, angry is a euphemism, disappointed is too weak.
This kind of dishonorable crap makes my blood boil. They do it because we let them and don't hold them accountable. I wish our legislative branch would do something useful, but alas, there is so much money, power and leverage involved.
so brave 😔
@lifeishard1211
Maybe you could find the word to explain what you are talking about?
@@Dwigt_Rortugal ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It's called fair trade with china,,,,,,,fuk the Dems.........................
I will gladly support the small American innovator business man like you.....
sounds good until you see the pricetag
This man is very smart and articulate.He is 100 percent on point.I would be incredibly pissed if someone copied my product and then had the balls to put my name on it.I think he should pursue this legally.
If this makes the rounds he won't have too summit sucks has for a long time
Jay, as a Ford Torino enthusiast who administers an online Torino community, I will be sure to spread this information. This angers me so I can only imagine how upset you must be! I have bought parts from your for my C6 and your parts and customer service are top notch. I proudly support small businesses that help us niche market guys who want to drive something that is not ordinary. The car community needs people like you and I am happy to pay a bit more and wait a bit longer to get quality parts like yours. Many of us are tight for money and looking for a good deal, but I will never buy anything from Speedmaster and do my part to support small talented vendors like you.
Vince, you post this up on GranTorinoSport yet??
Elite's included in the Torino club?
Thank you for your business and your support
@@BAMAJiPS Yes, Elites are included. I can't post the link, but search for Torino Forum on google and you will find us.
He built a transmission for me, he knows transmissions. He is top shelf. Only get what he makes, you will not be disappointed. Keep letting people know, and contact Summit. If they do not support your case, let us know. I can buy parts elsewhere! P.S. My c6 trans is the best.
Thank you for your business and support
Uncle Tony just did a video on this,
He's on your side. Thank you for
standing up for AMERICA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Who? Meh losers use emojis. Nobody takes you cereal.
No way in hell would I buy anything from Speedmaster.
I've bought various items from you including a C6 valve body.
I'm thankful you make parts for us and hope you make them pay.
Thank you for your business and support.
Summit has known of what Speed master does. The response is only this big because of how monumentally bad it is. Check out Uncle Tony's Garage. He did a video that explains it all for what it is.
SpeedBastard would be a sweet band name.
@OtherDalfite do you know what video?
@@macattack1392 his most recent one. You'll know right away if it's the right one. It's like 20+ minutes long
I bought one for my C6, and I love it!! Not from Summit, but from you directly. This is why we can’t have nice things…🤔🤦
Thank you for your business and your support.
I wish I needed something these guys make. This is an actual grownup. How refreshing.
I went to his website to buy a tshirt or some merch but theyre strictly business. Only car parts.
Had an experience with a set of speedmaster rod’s recently. As soon as I picked them up I knew something was up with this company. Very poor quality and tolerances where all over the place. Yet they play up a facade that they make some of the best parts in the business. The biggest punch in the balls is that they charge almost the same price as the high quality, precision, and made in the USA parts. Never again. I hope this information continues to spread.
LOL no they don't...Its cheap junk. You wanted cheap junk and you GOT IT
Speedmaster parts aren’t nearly the price of big name parts. I’m not sure where you got that from. And why would you knowingly buy internal engine parts from them lmao that’s on you.
Clearly none of you have had to recently build an engine when the entire industry had supply issues. At the time they seemed like a reasonable alternative, also price difference was only about $20 less per rod then their higher quality equivalent. That’s pretty damn close in price if you ask me for how much worse their products are. Also actual information about speedmaster parts has been quite sparse until recently. I don’t know why I even try to explain this, clearly you all think you’re all so cleaver behind that keyboard.
Sean I appreciate you sharing your lousy experience with Speedmaster rods. We have gotten so accustomed to speed vendors having components in stock or special orders only taking a couple of weeks to be delivered. Unfortunately the COVID shutdown took a huge toll on our performance industry and especially the smaller companies that didn’t have the resources to survive without daily business.
Overall the recovery has been slow but steady. The more common parts are sometimes taking a couple of weeks to get and custom orders are experiencing six months or more delay times.
Naturally as a result the price of performance is higher than ever before and making budget builds nearly impossible. Since you had no prior knowledge of Speedmasters reputation for shitty quality and their rods cost $20 less each with a shorter wait time than the better known name brands, that’s a $160 savings for a set of eight and more than enough reason to buy them. Especially considering how the fool in the White House and his democrat cronies have ruined the American economy.
We all learn from our mistakes. I almost made the Speedmaster mistake many years ago when they were called Procomp Electronics. I’ve been seriously into Ford 351 Cleveland engines for 40 years. Decades ago when Procomp made 351C heads available in aluminum alloy at a dirt cheap price, I almost became a victim of their inferior product. Fortunately for me the word about their bad machining quality spread pretty fast and the cost of a machine shop to make them race worthy was enough to change anybody’s mind. I’m just glad I found out before wasting any money. Some builders claim to have success after extensive machining but why bother ? Alloy Cleveland heads are available now from legitimate sources that are remarkable right out of the box 🏁.
Unreal mate, the Audacity of those scumbags to use your name..... Good on you for calling them out.
I cannot believe the audacity of that company, makes me sick. Thanks for the heads up Jay
Capitalism is about making $ as easy as possible. Companies like them will occasionally get sued, but only sometimes and only after they've made millions on the product. Add in Companies like summit or Amazon that have many 100s of sellers on their platform and now you have multiple entities involved in the theft, making it take even more work and time to receive justice.
The first thing that should be done is for SUMMIT to cease any more sales of products from this company in China.
If SUMMIT refuses to remove this from their sales then perhaps a boycott of Summit products is in order.
I started that years ago, I buy nothing from that arrogant company
Speedmaster is located in Rialto California
@@ryan8456 I mean Summit
I will be watching an I got lots of friends
Summit posted above. They put these products on hold and made them unsellable.
I believe SEMA and PRI offers legal counsel to their members to fight counterfeiting and the associated filing processes.
not going to get far with China
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 I believe that, but I believe SEMA and PRI can help the process quite a bit by putting pressure on their members that sell the counterfeit parts by these companies. I think if the evidence is shown and you continue to support it they (SEMA and PRI) could go as far as not allowing them to be involved in their services, up to and including displaying at or attending their shows. If you take away the larger players in moving these parts in our industry it should have a big impact on this issue.
You will get far with the FBI and FTC
Customs and Border Protection too. Whoever has this inventory will have their inventory seized and destroyed.
Sema and PRI also allow these bozos to have booths
This should be national news..........This video needs to go viral........
People like you think everything should be national news....
I'm surprised that Summit doesn't check on things like that. Looks bad on Summit also.
I do believe a chinese company bought out Summit.
lol, suprized? the greed has no limit.
Summit doesnt give a shit as long as they get their cut.
Speedmaster has been at it for A LONG TIME.... Summit knows exactly what Speedmaster does.... they don't need to check, they already know.
Summit/Jegs, the Amazon of performance parts.
That's definitely pretty ballsy. I loved my broader performance. C4 trans break worked great. When anybody asks what trans break, they should get for a c4 I always recommend your valve body
We appreciate the business and the word of mouth.
All transmissions break 😂
Jay, Ed from Spak's Automotive. I loved all you products that I bought over the years. Never had an issue period!!! I have preached to my customers about knock off parts from major retailers. I won't install their crap. I have always bought direct to build my units. Thanks for what you do. Push the issue. This is Theft. Good luck
We appreciate your business and support
Many years ago when I was custom making and selling parts, I had an order come in that was paid for from what appeared to be a US customer but the shipping address was to a company in china. I knew they were looking to copy my parts, so I went to my reject trash bins, and found the worst part with the most defects and sent it to them so they could copy that one.
Lol fantastic
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Wise man you are.............................screw the enemy...................
lol brilliant!
But will they put your name on it?
Did you ever get a complaint?
I’ve seen first hand the quality of speedmaster products. One of my customers had a pair of their 35mm axles for his 9” spooled rear which was fitted in a 3500lb sedan, 600hp big block, nothing fancy just a good solid car. Two burnouts and passes down the 1/4 then reversing out of his pit bay, the left axle bent between the flange and bearing. We have never seen anything like it in 30 plus years of racing….
Oh and speedmaster is the current name for ProComp if anyone is old enough to remember them.
Thanks for sharing
Speedmaster was Pro Comp. Bad news and sell junk. Nothing is new. Simply do not purchase their stuff.
Made the mistake of “saving money” with an SBC hei distributor and mini starter from them. Out of the box the distributor didn’t work properly and starter failed within a month.
I used to work there a year ago. They take broken parts off the shelves and ship them to costumers 🤷🏻♀️ don’t buy from Speedmaster all their parts come from China
Sue the shit out of them Jay, and let summit know and send them along with speedmaster, a certified Cease and Desist letter, notifying them about the counterfeit part with your name on it. Stopping a Chinese company like this is near impossible, Devilbiss has had the same issue. But going after the resellers might be your best option.
I've told people for year's, don't buy speedmaster trash. So sorry you have to deal with this now, best of luck Sir.
The strongest way would be to enjoin Summit Racing in the same lawsuit.
Makes summit look like shit. So much for the America company pretending with all the Cletus McFarland sponsorship
People just gotta stop buying from American companies that sell Chinese made products. Just takes a little research.
I will personnaly submit $ to a Law suit donation fund if Jay decides to go forward with one.
@@mikepatrona472dude, settle the fuck down, they have good customer service snd they sell HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of different parts. There is literally no functional possible they could have known it eas counterfit without buying the real thing snd conpsring it, which ZERO COMPANY xould EVER afford to do, especially frkm a labor standpoint. If youre this paranoid, buy your own CNC
I will no longer buy anything from speedbastard79 aka greedmaster79 aka speedmaster79. Im glad you made this video, hope it makes the rounds. I've always wondered what the story was behind that company and this video definitely confirmed my suspicions. I know the feeling i get when someone goes to great lengths to copy something i did and i cant imagine how mad I would be if they even put my name on it! I hope justice is served and youre compensated for your hard work.
Go Speedbastard! Go Speedbastard go! 🎵
I'm adding @summitracing to that list as well as I have zero faith that they didn't know about this. If they didn't then that's doubly as bad. I'd rather believe they knew and ignored it than believe they are completely incompetent and have zero care. You are as good as your friends(business partners) and in this case they got caught and that tells me everything I need to know about them.
@@ricrok1978 I think Summit Racing made the right move for the hand they were dealt. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but at the end of the day Speedmaster79 was the problem. Summit did the right thing and set the trend for the other distributors to follow.
I was in the same boat as you over her in Australia, as the owner of a marine part component manufacturer, the foundry's I used where using my patterns for making my parts for my competitors then just copied my patterns once I realized. I simply just gave up sold out. Speedmaster79 formally Speedmaster formally Procomp is the lowest of the low. Well known for selling cheap copies Chinese rubbis products responsible for many an expensive failure.
I’m 44 years old and it saddens me when I think about all of the things that are/will be going away because Real craftsmen are retiring. The newer generations are not interested in learning from the “Old Timers”. Once they are gone they’re gone. No matter how much schooling you take you cannot learn certain tricks of the trade without that long line of passed down heritage.
I agree this is a sad reality.
44? I'm 75, do you know how many really really good products I've seen disappear, plenty because of greed.
@@Mike44460I’m 33 and very angry. decisions made 40 years ago to buy into the Chicago Boys economic model destroyed not only American manufacturing, but fair wage growth for workers. We need to cut off all trade with China as a start since they can’t play fair, and bring back some 1950’s era policies to re-establish local manufacturing. Additive manufacturing aka 3d printing is the future and could reinvigorate this country. Certain people like the 0.01% won’t be happy, but they are part of the problem in this country by destroying local manufacturing.
"Made in USA" still means something. Great approach & attitude! Gonna forward this to Alex (Alejandro Flores), a tuner with Lund Performance. He hates this stuff & has a pretty big reach.
Sure does mean something, a higher price tag with profits over 100% and same low quality
This has been a problem for some time especially with Summit racing they sell products without checking the validity of the products they sell as with Speedmaster products even Comp cams who seem to have quality control issues but in reality have just went the route of selling crap to the public for profit selling junk made overseas to the public is basically stealing in my book. If you redesign your products put made in the good ole USA stamp logo on them with a serial number etched to identify a forged copy. Keep fighting these for profit companies that don’t stand behind what they sell because they know they’re ripping people off.
There are so many counterfeit products these days, some are even in packaging nearly exactly like the real deal item...and this happens in all sort of industries. Telling real from counterfeit can be very difficult, at least with this situation they are putting the fake in a different box. Hopefully Summit will pull the item from their site.
they say they have - they say they will have words with speedmaster.
i bet those words are: we are sending them you back, we can't sell them until you mill off the guy's name.
They have pulled it. But Im hoping they will pull the vendor. We all know Im not alone.
I've had similar things happen to me over the years. As a naval architect selling my small boat design plans to home builders, I've had my plans pirated on several occasions, reprinted and sold with my name and logo. Then, people that bought the knock-offs would contact me with questions and requests for tech support when they would run into a snag while building their boat. Really pissed me off but I couldn't do anything about it - the thieves were in third world countries. I feel your pain, brother! I'm retired now but this sort of thing still burns my bacon!
''We're here to help, They're here to steal''..............brutal honesty.
That really sucks Jay. Speedmaster and ProComp are nothing but junk. Sadly some of the great companies have been ripped or decided to send their manufacturing offshore. I wish you the best and hope somehow you get these thieves to cease and desist.
In the past I've bought products from Pro-comp/Speedmaster/Speedmaster 79 (all the same company), and they have never failed to be junk. cheap copy and junk. Anyone that buys anything from these guys is asking for trouble.
My last purchase was some valve covers. You think what could go wrong with valve covers? I had to get them welded up becuase the sealing flange left gaps. NEVER EVER regardless of how cheap they are , NEVER buy ANYTHING from these guys.
No kidding? They always seemed shady and cheap to me, but on the other hand I've had the same set of procomp tires on my truck for a decade now
We'll see what happens with the RTR distributor kit I got from them. I bought it back in 2019 and still haven't put the car together yet, so if it's fucked so am I lol.
@@keilveil9153 they may have even been better back then, I’m sure they have gotten 1000% worse like everything else in the past 4 years….
Come on. At least make the mating surface flat, otherwise what's the point of having a cover. "We recommend generous use of high-temp RTV." 😅
@@cjolney I would imagine that the ready to run distributor you bought looks very similar to the RTR from MSD. That’s one of the misleading tactics Speedmaster/Procomp Electronics uses to trick customers into thinking the junk copies are from a reputable manufacturer and then rebranded with the Speedmaster name. The lower price of the junk item is the sweet deal that we all are looking for.
Depending upon the intended use of your vehicle, an ignition system failure will surely fuck up your day. A lost round of eliminations could be costly but being stranded in your daily driver always seems to happen at the worst possible time and place.
When you finish your build the junk distributor might work just fine but for how long ? The reliability of a “real” name brand like MSD, Mallory or Accel is worth the extra cost and considering all of the negative reviews by pissed off buyers of Speedmaster components, the extra cost also buys reliable performance too. Hope to hear how your build turns out 🏁
The ford market is pretty much none existing. Glad you actually are knowledgeable on ford trans.
Jay I can’t thank you enough for TELLING IT LIKE IT IS in your own to the point manner and EXPOSING THE BLATANT FRAUD being perpetrated on unsuspecting buyers. By doing this video and hopefully more, you’re increasing public awareness of a global problem that impacts the United States the most because Americans are the largest consumers of aftermarket performance products.
I first became aware of the Speedmaster brand and their American importers / distributors many years ago when they started selling alloy Ford Cleveland cylinder heads at surprisingly low prices. Before buying this unknown product I researched the complaints from pissed off buyers. Problems like excessive casting flash, major machining errors with valve seats, valve angles, port locations and huge variations in chamber volume. The additional costs for a machine shop to correct the poor quality issues is enough reason to avoid Speedmaster heads.
As for Summit Racing, I’ve been a satisfied customer for a long time. However, finding out that they are selling Broader branded products, or inferior Chinese copies using the Broader brand name without having a legal contract to do so, or allegedly any other major name brands without first verifying their source is legitimate, is reason enough to be concerned.
Summit has always been my preferred parts vendor and I hope they will investigate this serious issue and take appropriate action against Speedmaster and their fraudulent practices.
Jay I think using serial numbers and/or date codes would help expose fraud and give customers some additional confidence that they are purchasing genuine Broader Performance components. I’m currently looking for a solid C4 and converter for my well prepared Cleveland and I like the idea of purchasing directly from Broader 🏁
Good points. I will be addressing some of these things in the next update.
So sorry to see this. It continues every day in our industry. The only thing that can slow it down is videos like this, and showing buyers that there are differences even though they look the same.
Knowing the people behind the product is important to me, I wish more people felt that way.
speedmaster aka procomp aka DSM aka CVF. Are all one in the same. Companies like Summit or Aeroflow, better known as Aerofail here in Australia, that sell their own brand name parts are no better. It's all cheap, Chinese made, copied junk. The way they get around copyright is by changing dimensions or bolt hole separation etc. They stay in business because there's always going to be people looking for cheap parts. Just remember, the poor man pays twice.
CVF? Their website says, "Machined in USA." Are they lying?
@@dahut3614 getting blanks from china, then putting some finishing touches on them in house, is still Chinese made.
There are several well known companies here in the States that have a reputation for making good quality components. Many of them buy their raw materials from China and manufacture them using CNC machines to precision tolerances. The metals produced by the Chinese foundries certainly don’t know what country they’re from. But the key is the specifications or quality of the metallurgy and various alloys made by the foundries has to meet the requirements of the U.S. company’s that ordered them.
A good example would be Scat rotating assemblies. All products have a limited lifespan regardless of who makes them. But Scat has a good overall reputation for products that survive in extreme engine builds. If I understand correctly, they order quality blanks from Chinese foundries and do their precision machining on the finished product at their facility here in the States.
There are several American companies that do the same thing with excellent results because they closely monitor the metallurgy process.
With that being said, it’s also a good idea to verify if the expensive performance component you’re thinking about buying was also machined in China. That’s the one to avoid because Chinese machine shops have a shitty reputation for quality control 🤷♂️ 🇺🇸 🏁.
If Summit had balls they would drop the Sleezemaster line all together
Summit makes money off these counterfeiters, too. They'll do some sort of wack-a-mole, maybe pull this one thing now that light is shined on it, and continue to sell a multitude of other Speedbastard low-quality, stolen crap made by people who are paid barely enough to survive.
1 hour after this they confirmed they have
If summit really was an respectable american company, they would never had started selling parts from an company anyone in the industry knows makes chinese copy cat products of questionable quality.
Ya but who owned Summit? Do some checking!
@@onehot57exactly 👍
Value means nothing to most American consumers.
Cheap is always cheap.
Value last!
It be by the products or customer service.
Greed drives most american companies, they are the one who have these cheap products made for huge markup.
There is a difference between cheap, and thinking you have gold just because its US made.
@@coolhanddruidYou're not wrong, but most people don't care where something is made and who got abused to manufacture it. It feels like a lost cause. I've gotten so cynical.
Back when I worked for a major performance manufacturer in New England, I designed several new products that sold well, even to this day, and that was over 20 years ago.
Summit waited to see how well the parts sold then decided to copy them and sell them under their house brand! And for less money!
I got the 4r70w Transmission package from Jay years ago. Still behind my 351. Jay was helpful and worked with me when I had questions. I support Jay and have recommend his products to everyone I could. Thank you Jay for the work you do.
Thank you for your business and your support.
I feel for you mate.
Have you thought of putting a serial number on your products to track them?
Keep fighting the good fight against the big companies 👍🇦🇺
i was thinking the same thing. serial number and 2factor authenticated from buyer and maker/seller to confirm authenticity of part before any warranty/issue claim processing.
It's been going on for years, everyone buying knock offs for 3% cheaper and then they wonder why companies are going away and they end up with shit parts.
your are right but its more like 80% off lol
Yeah nobody buys knockoffs to save a mere 3%
Thanks for putting a face on this issue. Well spoken and great presentation.
Its happening more and more in the automotive industry, glad you were able to catch this.
Hey man, I don’t know you or your company from Adam but I am with you and I am glad to see Summit has stepped up already in the comments.
I hope the best for you and your company! And if I am ever in the market for a trans-brake, I will definitely remember your company!
I retired before most of this happened but in the field I specialized in it started fairly strong. When you can buy equipment for a third of what we sold it for it hurts & it'll play hell will your reputation. The only thing I think will work is to put the word out their product is a knock-off. Summit is, as far as I know, is a reputable business but they may not know what they selling.
A high output 180 amp alternator (their cheap sticker said it was) ,was ordered and it tested 119 amps cold. There are companies in the USA that do that.
Usually, that's peak output at 2000 rpm unless that's the idle ouput pay attention to the difference when looking for a high output alternator. I suggest using JS, Brand-X, Mechman. All viable options for high ouput alts.🤙
I listened to your video to the end . Thank you for your time and posting . We have to deal with counter-fit issues and conflict every time we order anything on line these days . Hope you find the proper advice on dealing with corporate greed and can make it right for your company.
Thank you for making everyone aware. Keep fighting the good fight. You have certainly enlighted me. Most certainly will change my purchasing habits from the "big corp sellers"
In the import community, we have a notorious company who does the same crap called Private Label Manufacturing. Thank you for speaking up against these kinds of companies. They are a plague to the car communities we love.
You are so correct. The small companies and enthusiasts will be put out of business. You as the guy that put all of the effort and knowledge into developing the part should reap the award as it’s your idea. That intellectual property is yours not some Chinese cheaters. And shame on summit purchasing department for not catching these knock offs and actually using your name.
Engrave the American flag on your next run. Keep your head up and keep making quality parts.
they'll just copy that. China don't give a shit and especially the CCP don't give a shit.
Add "China Sucks" no way they'll engrave that!
China doesn't give a F@#$. They make American flags. It's to late since they pretty much manufacturer everything. Jan 1st 1994 Free trade agreement signed.
Good idea.
freaking great idea better to be Pro Active than to be Re-Active and negative and do Nothing!
Just found you and your getting my money ; thanks from old New Orleans 😎
Well said, very well said. They pretty much tied small business ownees hands. I've been through a similar situation, family owned a company since the early 1980s.. our product and patent were copied and used by a competitor. Long story short after a several year Court battle. We won 1 million in damages, and ceased their production of our product .. here's the kicker, it cost us 1,130,000 in attorney fees to fight the battle. So in the end it cost us $130,000 to keep someone else from ripping us off
That is what is seriously wrong with the justice system.
Sadly the world is full of folks who will steal the best of the hard-working folks. Your video gets to the heart of the matter. Those who steal and act as agents should be taken to court to stop the theft and recover their losses. I will share your video with our congressional reps and the US Trade Commission. Hoping for the best outcome for you.
Sorry to hear that, your right and fight ,one foot forward. Thank you for the information and take care.
That sucks, I'm not a Ford guy but I wish you luck in your fight.
I'm sorry for your pain, the same thing happened with a product we designed. Summit has a lot to answer for as well.
I work in a different area of the Automotive Industry we reproduce a ton of F-Body parts and have been fighting this for a little while now. I feel your pain! Discussing with some other industry people, we have determined China is using an AI based program that monitors online sales/traffic to determin what to produce. Then they copy that and distribute it through our stateside ports under various different company names. It's all over eBay at the moment.
The worst part is the customer is unaware and is just looking at price and shipping time.
Anyone selling anything similar to yours with your business name on it is guilty of selling counterfeit goods. The laws are fairly cut and dry in the US. Large corporate resellers know exactly what’s happening and are using loopholes to get away with stealing from small businesses like yours. Great video showcasing a terrible and even dangerous situation in multiple industries.
It's been a couple decades since I rebuilt a C4, but I could see right off the bat how well machined your valve body is. They could have easily copied the basic design as a casting with their own name on it, or one of any of the other valve bodies that others have made in the past, and gotten away with it. THIS is beyond idiocy.
Summit now shows it in black with the Speedmaster name on it. Still extremely shady business
They are also on eBay with the exact same design but without the Broader Performance name on them.
The photos never show our name. They hide it inside the box. This is really what I just recently learned.
We did our own inspection of inventory and discovered additional valve bodies with the Broader Performance logo. Rather than return the valve bodies to Speedmaster, we are destroying them at our facility to prevent any possibility of them entering the supply chain through a marketplace or another distributor. We have dropped the entire Speedmaster line and will not be selling its products.
@@SummitRacing This is absolutely the best response by any company on this issue ever! Bravo!
@@SummitRacing good deal. Glad to see you guys stepped up and did something about it.
This seems to be happening more and more. I bought some parts for a wheeler I was working on and they were knock offs,then didn't want the crap back when I said I was going to ship them back.
Me too. Had an O2 sensor replaced but it was bad out of the box. NAPA affiliated shop.
I’ve never seen a trans brake and I freakin love this guy! I don’t even wrench on cars either. This video should be used for anything Designed, Sold and Made In America. Thank you Jay and Broader Performance!
Good on Summit for stepping up and dont apologize! Im glad you posted this!
Thanks for this video. I "had" Speedmaster on my short list for SBC Cylinder Heads.
That shit pisses me off
Bad.....I'm about to make a car product myself...makes me worried
Dont get discouraged. We need people like you with innovation.
@@BroaderPerformance yeah cheers I will still make my product to help boxer engines hold there HG stronger....just sucks how even if we copy right our product China comes along and takes it for a run for its money
@@jmoore9806 If you buy some Chine inner engine parts...... why bother doing your engine in the first palace!!
Our shop buys most of our performance parts from summit not anymore. Years ago I saw a mouse trap on youtube that a young kid built in his garage that works great, uses a 5 gallon pail so in a storage building it doesn't have to be reset. Immediately after he released it, China was selling a copy. I went out of my way to buy his. I am sorry to hear this. When a customer knowingly brings china junk and asks me to make it work right, I tell them they are to stupid to operate that piece of equipment there going to get hurt. I will write a letter to summit after 25 years of buying from them. I thought more of them. If people only knew what is going on out there.
You have a damages claim against Summit and this 79 people. You need to contact an attorney and take action. Great video. Really great video. Much respect to you.
All too true, man. Keeping small businesses alive is the crisis of our century.
I hope you keep on doing your thing and producing top-tier products. ❤
And this is why I dealt directly through you!
Thank you for your business and your support.
A simple cease and desist letter to Summit and who ever else sells it, won't cost you much of anything. The sooner you put them on notice, the better. It was most likely Summit Racing that had it made in China. Just like the giant Marine store, West Marine. They basically had chinese copies made of just about everything they sell, from clothing to pumps. Anything with a West Marine brand. They even copied Sperry Top Sider shoes.
Engrave something that's highly offensive to Chinese people and their government. Also, engrave a large "Version 2" on it.
If this were my product, I would sue the hell out of Speedmaster. Not only did they copy your product, they damaged your brand by selling an inferior product under your brand name. They didn't "accidentally" machine your brand name onto their product. It was intentional.
You can't sue a company overseas.
I love the way you explained what’s going on. Respect
this guy keeps it real about owning a small shop!!!! support small business
When someone buys a unit from you, give them a personal serial number, then stamp that number onto the part. Then ship it out.
Sue the shit out of them Jay!
sue who ? their in China they couldn't careless stealing intellectual property is protected by the Chinese government
You can sue someone but they can decide not to pay you
It just feeds the corrupt attorneys
The company making the knockoff would be hard to get anything out of but Summit should be easier to get something out of.
They are in China.
I have always advised my customers to not buy products from that company. I will never let any of those products in the shop again.
Not sure how I got to the Jay vs big auto counterfeiting cartel part of youtube but I'm with Jay.
Had my C4 built by you a couple of years ago. I love it. I beat the hell out of it whenever I get the chance. Keep on Keeping on Jay
Thank you for your business and support
Hi Summit. Thanks for responding to this so quickly. Sounds like you’ve got a buyer sourcing questionable products. The big question is whether or not this is part of your business model.
This is not our business model in any way. We were unaware that Speedmaster was engaging in such practices. We have removed the product in question here and are working on appropriate action in regards to the rest of the line.
@@SummitRacing Thank you. The Summit catalogues are like Christmas wish books in our home. Long may they reign.
Sorry Sir, Really sucks when sombody steals your work.
Watched whole vid blood boiling, same happened to me here in Australia, i designed a braking product for our early Falcons, sell the small time, start putting them out on ebay and bingo a mob of copying
a$$holes in Castlemaine suddenly have the same product at a cheaper price! Coincidence they say🤦♂️
Didn't know that shop rolled Like that. Good to know. I'm sorry that happened to you!
@@justinfargas2367 unfortunately its happened to many people who come up with new properly functioning ideas/products.
Supercharger company just copied an aussie's crank support too.
Wow that realy sux the Aussie market Is so small there is no way it can work here
I really hate it when innovative guys like yourself get screwed. This means you will probably stop inventing.
Great video, this kind of thing goes on in many industries, and we support China by buying all their cheap junk and crap. If Americans just cared more about supporting American companies, they’d pay attention more where they spend their money. This guy is an example of the American dream, and this story is an example of how we’ve allowed our enemies to steal from us, and yet we keep supporting them. Intellectual property is valuable, and guys like this deserve to have their hard work and designs protected. Politicians are too worried about making enemies and getting elected instead of enforcing laws and tariffs on countries like China, and stopping them from shipping counterfeit junk across our borders. Americans used to have more pride, instead of staring at their cell phones all day. I commend this business owner for making this video and calling out the thieves and those that support them
Great Video Jay, you are so right this is egregious. The world is crazy, I like your train of thought, your innovation is very much appreciated. Thank you for helping us understand what is really happening!
Everyone says "sue them, sue them" what you don't realize these are huge companies with deep pockets that could tie you up for years and years with expensive litigation! I've had an American company do the same to me. Their response "what are you going to do about it". Pretty much helpless. Only avenue is what Jay is doing here, expose them for what they are.
The big corporations and wall street/bankers are even worse than the China rip off manufacturers. US corps silence and censor innovators. The rigged system ensures big capitalism always wins
We can all win collectively. The movement has begun.
The guy who invent the color screen for computers did have an insurance to cover all copy bastards.... he really did sue many and got the really big ones to pay. Now you can not get insurance to save your rights.... strange or a good plan for the big dudes who are copy-basters.
Thats their problem. Many lawyers would take this for a portion of winnings.
I used to work for a USA based aftermarket suspension company. It is unreal how quickly everything is cloned, copied changed etc. IMO the online retailers know what is going on, but as long as they get paid they don't care. But I'm surprised by Summit, I would expect anything there would be for real. That's shocking to me that they are no better than Amazon or eBay.
I mean, Summit might very well be more honorable than eBay and Amazon. The bar is set pretty low relative to those latter two. eBay facilitates selling of shoplifted goods all day long, every day. Amazon has so many counterfeits that it's hard to know what's legitimate anymore. I ordered what I thought was 3M body panel double sided tape, received it, it looked completely legit in every way, but failed miserably in its application. I bought the same stuff from a brick and mortar store and it was like night and day. The crooks set up 20 seller accounts with names made from mashing the keyboard, and they sell the brand name at half price. It's very predictable and identifiable, and a huge company like Amazon could definitely write algorithms to detect it. If they cared.
very motivating to hear this, thank you and good luck!
I hope this sorts out in your favor. Your hard work and dedication are something that should be rewarded not diminished. Props for bringing this to the public's attention. Keep going. You are in the right.
I have never and will never buy any speedmaster products. Thank you for reminding me why not to buy the chinese crap.
That’s unbelievable
I don't even own any Ford automobiles, but this pisses me off to no end. If it wasn't for mega warehouses like Summit, businesses like "Speedbastard79" wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Jay Thank You For Being an American!
I heard about this last night on UTG, Hat Tip to Tony. How you describe Broader Performance reminded me of how William Hewlett or David Packard would describe Hewlett Packard, that is an American story! And Yes, We Do Need To Be Reminded.
Jay, Please Do Not Stop Being Jay.
Thanks from England for making this video. As for Summit, I have had my doubts about them for some time as simply not being as good as some people believe they are. And, start using serial numbers and keep a basic record of the serial numbers.
I don’t blame you for being upset 😎 those bastards will just buy a new one from you to get the new version. Very frustrating 😤