F1 Austrian GP Analysis - Never Give Up VS Never Back Down
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The 2024 F1 Austrian Grand Prix certainly didn't hold back, especially towards the end with Lando Norris and Max Verstappen making contact while trying to secure the victory! But were the track limit rulings fair, or should more penalties have been issued? Bryn Lucas chats with Alex Kalinauckas and Filip Cleeren to discuss the McLaren x Red Bull controversy, Russell's ability to grab the win and more.
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The British Media will cry me a river for the next year or so...I like Lando, and yes Max could have done better...but there is a reason he is champ...and Max didnt lose he win...even with 10 second penalty, he finished 5th and is still leading the championship 😂😂
Before starting this video I will say, the British media are going a bit overboard. It's like they have been saving up all these video, clips and magazine articles for the first time Max has contact.
Have you guys cleared your "Max cheated Lewis" folder out now?
People can (and do) complain about british media all they want, but what they're saying is true, and pretty much anyone in F1 apart from Red Bull agrees
British takes on f1 are just so plainly boring and predictable.
We want exciting races
We want safe overtakes
We don’t want dangerous driving
We want closer battles
Could you be anymore plain than boiled peas?
And on Max, penalty was deserved. But you would have gone absolutely batshit crazy accusing Max of orchestrating Dresden 2.0 had he divebombed the way Lando did.
“Only one questionable move from Lando” my arse.
Nonsense.
Yo.. you either count Lando’s track limits or not. If you get lenient with that, then be lenient with “moving under braking” because it can be considered “hard racing.”
Either rules are rules, or they’re not.
They were both messy 🙄
The bromance is over 😂 can't wait for more battles between Max and Lando.
I keep hearing things like “Redbull cracking in the pits”… I find it wild to blame the team for a wheel not wanting to come off the car. If anything it was a fluke of luck at a bad moment.
Edit: Max hasn’t said anything since post race where he said he wanted to see it, he never said “I did nothing wrong”. You guys are assuming it. Pretending this is 2021 is absolutely laughable, the pearl clutching from the F1 (Brit) media over this is so pathetic. Max was in the wrong and it was entertaining as hell… but you whine when he wins and when he races too hard.
I cannot speak for "Brit Bias". All I can say is that we live in a society that thrives on negative polarisation. Make of that what you will but to me, everyone's opinion can then be construed as some sort of bias - objectivity is no longer considered relevant, all that is important is that the emitter is always right and everyone else is wrong.
Coming to the lap 64 incident, MV was "victim" of the very tactics he has used against his adversaries with impunity ever since he was admitted into F1. Not only, the FIA and F1 have even created "rules" specifically as a result of some of his actions which are considered reckless (though not necessarily dangerous) but certainly unnecessary. The problem here is the ENTITLEMENT he has developped over this time , and, of late, since he has largely been unchallenged ( having the best car mostly, but certainly also his undoubted skill), he bitches about not having some proper racing competition. When he has his wish granted, he resorts to his tried and tested tactics that rightfully got him the title CRASHSTAPPEN. We have more than enough evident to this effect, regardless who you support.
I am a Mclaren fan and have been so for more than 50 years. Mind, I am also of a generation that seems still capable of discernment - possessing the ability to put ones biases aside to be capable of objectivity. I was very critical of Sennas early antics, Michael Schumachers openly underhandedness and of course, LH's often questionable reactions and these are not exclusive, there are others over the years, James Hunt amongst them. I never lost the notion of fairplay and call out non respect for this even if it is "my team" being the culprit. This weekend, 3 of my favorite 5 drivers were deservedly on the podium. MV is not one of the the other 2 although I do recognise his talent.
Literally making a mountain out of a molehill. Almost every race you will have incidents between drivers. But such is the influence of max verstappen that media outlets and 'influencers' know that they have to milk it when something involves him.
You guys owe your entire relevance to that guy. Be grateful.
tell me you have no clue what you're talking about, without telling me
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@@simxcenter Clearly you don't
You complain when Max is 30 seconds ahead and walks the dog on the field. Then complain he's a dirty driver when it's a close fight.
Yall don't even go into the on track specifics nor about how Lando just threw long dive attempts about running into Max prior laps.
This analysis isn't an analysis it's just more media hate on Max 🙄
I hope we see this kind of hard racing the rest of the season. It made 2021 legendary and it is part of F1. Yesterday Lando learned what it takes to win against Max.
The moment drivers/teams are not stretching the rules anymore the sports dies.
Fia should have punished Lando’s track limits in real time and nothing would have happened. Max would know, let him go in turn 3 before DRS line and get DRS the next laps. The problem is also: Norris is not a great overtaker. Piastri could school him.
For me the new graveltraps were useless this weekend if they still are going to give track limit warnings at those corners.
Let them race! You complain because your guy /guys aren't winning, still hurting since Bahrain overtake?!
steering angle says he did not move so saying he did is not factual
It’s gone to the point, where it’s character assassination and seems overly personal. You guys cause the vitriol and toxicity in F1.
Sometimes i've get the feeling, that all these critics don't want to have any racing at all. This is not allowed , that is not allowed. Why are we watching "racing". I don't mind the dive bombing of norris nor the defence of max, because i like to see some racing. And not drivers who just are not allowed to do anything anymore and just have to let people pass by because of all these rules which make racing dull.
The track limits on norris was insane. But the penalty on max was correct.
And if the FIA reacted accordingly to Landos 4th track limit violation, which happened before the battle, in lap58!!, he already has his 5s pen and verstappen probably doesn't have to go that hard.
Listen to 10:44, do you agree with that?
If Max was penalized earlier in 2021, he wouldn't have done all the things in 2021. Monza2021, Brazil 2021, Saudi2021, AbuDhabi 2021.
or the Austria 2022, or with Lando in June 2024.
2018 Baku, moving in the breaking area led to a crash with Riccardo.
The conclusion is simple: Max must be penalized and reigned in when he transgresses the rules. Max is a dirty driver. We've been saying this for years.
What did Norris say about 2021? 😂😂😂😂. He didn't think Max was over the top against Lewis😂😂😂😂. Today he's feeling it😂😂😂😂😂😂. This is a lesson to all fans, just support the rules & truth regardless of who benefits. Otherwise you start to look like a hypocritical as Lando will be shown to look. Those video interviews will resurface where Lando didn't think Max was over the top.
When Lewis stood his ground in Silverstone, we saw where Max ended up. If everyone drives like Max, someone will get killed.
Doesn’t change the fact that Max shouldn’t have turned into Lando.
Max was already aware Lando would get a penalty anyway
Penalties are never given for exceeding track limits only once but multiple times. Drivers need to realise that their overtaking moves need to be completed within the bounds of circuit.
The more I listen to this the more laughable it becomes. Autosports big takeaway from the most excitement we’ve had in a few years is “the FIA need to make sure this never happens.” The FIA is always wrong, either too many rules or not enough 😂
Looking at the result sheet, the tale of the tape for Logan Sargeant is quite damning, lapped TWICE !!
Max was to blame for this contact with Norris, but in 2021 44 was the one bumping into Max. Like Saudi where 44 crashed into Max and we don't even talk about Silverstone 21...
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Lando made GIANT dive bombs. Even running Max.off the track at least once. Lando is just as to blame
Annnnd time to unsub. The bias is unreal.
bye
Fair analysis of a great bit of action from two drivers on the limit. I hope McLaren can get close enough to Red Bull at Silverstone for the battle to continue.
Why is nobody talking about the fact Norris had one good overtake that stuck and Verstappen accelerated around the corner off the track to retain the position. That should have been penalised before the contact even happened! It was more of a penalty than movement under braking.
Definitely no question marks over lando's racecraft. If anything, this weekend proved his potential
The coping and wining by these brit 'journalists' is off the charts. I love it.
People commenting with "Blinkers" on. What a pity...
So what about Lando dive bombing forcing max off the track. Sure Lando made the corner, but he had 2 tires off the track and damn near had to come to a full stop to make it. Where was max supposed to go? Had Max not gone off the track Lando would've T-boned him.
Track limits are track limits the same way lewis got a penalty for crossing the line it didn't give him a advantage if anything it slowed him down but rules are rules
So us don't move in braking zone, don't react 2nd if you're leading. Max moved when Lando was going down inside. He didn't need him off when he moved outside cos a 5 second penalty was coming.
The saddest thing was Horner snd co claiming its all lands fault. Who's got previous? They wrote the rule to stop Max. Moving in the braking zone is Max 101.
Bizarre to claim otherwise
MARK CAVENDISH 🎉, age is just a number. Yahoo.
I do not think Max should apologise for anything... Norris wants his WDC status, let him fight for it just like Max did to unseat Lewis
12:43 false. There are track limit penalties because running off the track here allows you to recover. If instead of white lines there were gravel traps, violating track limits means your car is beached. Those limit penalties are imposed so that there's an actual penalty.
track limits violations and time penalties apply in situations where a driver is gaining a lasting advantage. giving a driver a time penalty for simply going over the line, and then immediately handing the place back (thus losing the place gained and all time) is the dumbest thing i've ever heard 11:01
Yeah but it’s not the way the rules were laid out in Austria. Like Piastri’s ludicrous off track ruling, they chose to do it that way so complaining about it now is kind of moot
@@scottmeredith3359 you're right. i guess we should never question or comment on the actions of the fia. that's how we get accountability
But Norris got the penalty for repeatedly exceeding track limits, not for one incident alone.
Make a video on why Pato O'ward is the best Perez replacement.
Pros: They can most likely keep the Mexican Sponsorship.
He is obviously faster then Perez.
Has a Super Licence.
Cons: Has a McLaren contract.
Got a bit worried about Norris - he had the faster car at that moment of the race, there were 10 laps remaining, yet he couldnt complete the pass. If one had to expect VErstappen to cooperate, that is hard.
The more you watch it, the more you realize that Norris could have easily avoided contact.
On the point of going off track during hard battling another driver, it does need to be looked at, what's to stop drivers from running others off enough times to get them a penalty.
Max doesn’t feel like he does anything wrong, acts like a spoiled brat
I think many fans tend to forget that the best drivers in the world shouldnt touch cars. This isnt WEC. Touching = damage. Max is still best on grid, but he messed up. Thats it. Life will move on. Glad Lando undertands what kind of fight hes in now
I want to hear a clear definition of “moving under braking”. The term is so vague to me. What actually qualifies? Does it mean changing direction in the braking zone? Then that would mean there needs to be some level of steering input. Do we measure the steering input and say anything over a certain threshold proves guilt? Does it mean that you have to stay perfectly in line on the track like if you enter the braking zone with one car length on the left and to car lengths on the right then you have to maintain that margin till the end. So this would be to say you are not allowed to enter a braking zone at any angle?
Everyone seems to have vague explanations for this. They just say “moving” under braking. As long as there is such a vague grey area, we will continue to have the issues
You mean ‘braking’🤣
@@hectorshouse7348 omg lol oops yup. Fixed it
1 + 1 = 2 it’s as simple as that
1x1=2 according to Terrence Howard
Watch Antony Davison frane by frame breakdown. It make the moving in the braking zone. They show Max keeping race after punting LeClerc off.
Weird fanboys claim its brit thing.
*watch the footage*
Where was all this CHATTER when Madmax was driving like Idiot against SLH???
How close were you to committing sudoku when the sir lost the title in Abu Dhabi? Shoulda gone through with it tbh
Not sure what you are implying! But I was extremely HURT by what happen! If MADMAX had taken the lead of the race n kept it throughout or maybe SLH passing through pit strategy n MADMAX still was able to win! I would n still would be fine with it to a certain degree! But HOW the maFIA help him dethroned SLH was on your face shameful!!
@@southerncomfort1339 He didn't get help from the FIA, all they did was shaft a few of the backmarkers.
Where was all this chatter when torpedo ham dive bombed in miami this year? Or a few years ago in silverstone.
Keep coping and whining
Hello gentlemen, Happy to observe that Autosport has analysts that understand common sense, leading an objective analysis in consensus, which lacked to one of my favourite race analysts in the person of Peter Windsor, and saw F1 Liberty Media divided, although in fairness Will Buxton seemed more justly authoritative than in the past, and Jolyon Palmer's analysis was way less 'hypocritical' than that of Alex Brundle. Congratulations for your work in integrity! Considering that Max Verstappen has a huge past of this bullishness [2015-2021], the penalty feels a bit like a mere slap on the wrist... but with a poor 'bible' on the FIA side, and politics saturating the air...The FIA needs an authoritative chairman! Regards, Jean-Louis
Max is just proving he is one of the dirtiest drivers there is
He is complaining about dove bombs which he done to Lewis so many times and
Lando now understands what a dirty driver max is and might now understand what Lewis has had to put up with all then years
You're regarded as af
Moving under braking is against the rules, why don’t the punish it? It’s happened countless times, how many people have crashed into Max because of it?
Lewis
Ricciardo
Vettel
He didn't get punished because he didn't do it, the stewards did investigate it.
There are no two title contenders, Max is 70 points ahead. British enthousiasm for British succes hasn't any limit hasn't it?
@@thegotterdammerung
Two years ago when Max Verstappen had a 46 points deficit after three races towards Leclerc the championship was done according to the pundits. There were 19 races to go still....
81 points
@@thegotterdammerung
Pundits do swing opinions. It is unlikely for Max Verstappen to lose that amount of an advantage, whatever the math.
@@thegotterdammerung
So you think the current nr.2 will win all races and Verstappen will not finish higher than 2nd the rest of the season? Good hopium you're on. Pundits don't swing math but opinions. People with opinions interpret the rules. So pundits influence the penalties handed out.
@@thegotterdammerung
In 2021 he DNFd only once and the reason for that DNF we know all. Before the British GP that year some team principal stated "We only need one DNF to be close again. We all know what happened there and then.
Very glad for Nico 👍👏
As the FIA didn't react in 2021 Crashstappen is back ! Either his opponent gives up or they crash !
Another biased youtube channel!!!!!!
I stand with Max. Peter Windsor is right. Let them race.
Max vertrashen strikes again
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Weep.
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Weep.
If this is what Max will do, then he will get similar return from other teams. So earning points would be difficult. He needs to be punished with disqualification and grid penalty in subsequent races for such mentality.
Keep dreaming