We should also remember Denise Crosby, who played Lt. Tasha Yar on Star Trek - The Next Generation. She is Bing Crosby's granddaughter. He never acknowledged her.
Why should we watch anything else since you couldn't even get how many sons Bing had correctly. He HAD FOUR SONS. The daughter you name was his daughter from his second wife, Kathryn. His sons were Gary, Lindsey, Phillip and Dennis. I hope all your shows don't have such massive mistakes.
I briefly met Gary at an art center in Petoskey, MI, when he gave a talk about his book. Afterwards I introduced myself and he said h.e was working on opening a clinic for recovering alcoholics and he was doing some counseling. I told him he would really do well at that. He said,"From your mouth to God's ear." His mother was a severe alcoholic and spent most of the time in bed and he had to go see her every day after school. He never knew if she would kiss his cheek or slap him across the face, depending on her level of intoxication. 😢
@@barry1122 people like you are so strange, you just jump in with negative comments. Many people just have good experiences to share. Have you none? I will venture to say that you don't read books or do any research. I was in my 40's when he came here to Macuen Art Center. I was teaching then as I have a Master's Degree in Education. I am 73 now and retired, not 100 quite yet. Gary died in 1995. Do the math, although your comment tells me you may need some help with that.
Dixie was a rising star and Bing was jealous and controlling and possibly destroyed her career and life. Check out how his estate was arranged so that only one son lived long enough to benefit. Loved his performances but !!!!!!!.
This bio fails to mention that all the boys spent most of their time with their mother, Dixie who was an alcoholic. The problem was that both parents failed them, and alcoholism runs in families.
You're right. Psychological problems to include alcoholism is passed on to generation to generation and with all that it brings. If one of the parents or even worse both, have a substance abuse or alcohol problem, the family will be dysfunctional. A friend of mine, of Irish background, told me that he did not want to pass on the "family tradition" to his children. He had drank before he got serious with a woman and for the most part he stopped drinking. Eventually he got married, had children and did not drink. There was a critical point in his life where he had been drinking in secrecy, however he kept his children from finding out that he was doing that. His grown children as adults did not use drugs or drink. Years later he had told them about his relapse he had had with alcohol and asked them about it and they told him they had no idea about his drinking episode, that it was going on.
Sorry for all you went through. I was born in 1960, my parents had 7 kids, I was #5 and keeping us kids under control was not an easy task. I give my parents credit, they did the best they could.
I was born the same year. Parents had 8 kids, and I was #4. We did not get much. My dad drank, and did not use his head much. Sometimes he crossed the line at discipline. Like I said earlier, the drinking did not help. He did not put much into the family, but everyone except the youngest, and the one who married a female crook succeeded. My mom did not fight to protect us against my dad's drinking. But she fought tooth & nail for the youngest who was the only drug addict in the family. He did not go through half of what his older siblings went through, yet he quit school, and got in serious trouble which landed him in prison. He had a 2nd chance at life, and blew that as well. Robbing everyone from his family to his best friends. He is gone now, dead from a polluted body of 35 years to drugs. Parents can only do so much, but the kids have no choice but to make it on their own. Maybe what Crosby demonstrated was called tough love. My family got it, and both parents did not show emotional love to the kids. We knew in their own way they loved their kids, but they never rewarded us for the positive things we did. They only(mostly my dad) punished us for doing the bad things. That is a very confusing upbringing. I remember an old Gomer Pyle episode where the mess Sergeant Hacker saying his old Sergeant said you got out of the pot what you put into it. That was my dad spot on. We all succeeded without his input. He wanted an officer in the family, but again, what did he put into his family? Today, my dad would be in jail for what he pulled in the early 70s. Today's world is worse than what it was when we were young, or is it? I don't see the same world that I knew as a kid, but then there may be someone who thinks the complete opposite. Strange, but Crosby's kids were around my parents age. They could have married my mom, and she was a wee bit younger than his kids. There is a reason I did not bring kids into the world. And my upbringing was a big part of it. I knew a handful of girls who felt the same way. I respected their choice, and could not understand the ones who could not respect my choice.
@@sandrastephenson9467 I agree with you. We had a great up bringing, we were taken care of wonderfully and spent alot of time outside, playing or "finding something to do". I miss my parents alot to. bless you 🙏🙏🙏
I don't believe Gary's story. I think it was based on jealousy because he didn't achieve the success his father had. I know from personal experience that alcoholics are liars who can't accept the truth about themselves and project the blame for their faults onto others. There is a saying " How do you know if an alcoholic is lying? Answer their lips are moving."
I recall watching a TV interview with Katherine Crosby, Bing's second wife, in the early '80's on the Merv Griffin show I think it was. As Katherine related how Bing demanded absolute perfection and quiet from his boys when he was home, she let it drop that she would do anything to ensure that peace for him. Merv nonchalantly asked "anything?" to which she replied, "yes," and went on to say something like, "even if it meant killing them." It was so shocking that the audience erupted in horror and anger, and I recall the TV screen going blank for a split second before Merv reappeared saying "we're going to cut for a commercial" or something, which the show did. When the commercials ended and Merv reappeared, Katherine Crosby was no longer there and the show commenced as if she never had been. I've never forgotten this, especially when the youngest son's book came out about his father's abuse. I have no reason to disbelieve him. You can look this up, hopefully it hasn't been removed from the archives.
Maybe I'm too cynical but I can't believe Katherine Crosby would not have a problem murdering Bings kids just so they wouldn't bother their dad. And admit it on television? No, that never happened. She would have to be a complete Whack-A-Doodle and her husband too.
@@kevinmcconnell3641 everyone has abandoned God is some ways, 1 way or another, Each will receive his rewards, Bing ignored God and his 3 sons had to pay for that neglect.
I knew about Bing’s abuse yeas ago. My deceased mother loved Bing so much. When I told her about his abuse and alcoholism, she didn’t want to know. But she eventually accepted it and was really saddened by it.
In Bing's time Hollywood strove to give its stars complete character makeovers that often were nothing like the actual person(Jon Crawford comes to mind). People fell in love with their personas, while their true characters were often well hidden. Sorry your mother was saddened by this. It's disappointing to learn the truth about our idols, but they're human. Lots of people loved the Crooner and still love his voice.
What alcoholism, he had that well and truly behind him very early into his first marriage because of Dixie's intervention. As for Gary's book he was reinterviewed in 9 hrs of taped conversations in which he was challenged regarding stories from his book with research by the interviewer. I can't remember writing that as I had been drinking at the time was his response. VERIFIED when the researcher contacted the books co-author. The book was pieced together maybe read how. Gary spoke to his stepsister regarding the book in which he told her it wasnt really the way it went down and why it had been written$$$$ Sad that two books, one completely debunked and the other pieced together but not really written by the son damaged Bing's reputation. Maybe read the newer info regarding Bing done by a brilliant writer who has spent decades researching, interviewing..including Phil and Gary..and who was given unprecedented access to Bing's correspondence etc. He does not sugarcoat Bing at all but gives a fair and balanced assessment. Bing was a good man.
I remember those OJ commercials. When Andy Williams helped his ex wife after she was charged with murder, Katherine Crosby said Bing would never have done that. Bing Crosby was a horrible father
as i mentioned above BEFORE reading your post, I knew Bing had a shadow issue, and failed to deal w it, Passed it on to his 3 sons, They failed to deal with the shadow. I put some of the blame of California culture and Hollywood. Not all, but enough, California is Go At Your Own Risk
I was born in 1954. I never knew anything about his abusive parenting. I am so sorry to learn about his sons upbringing. He brought joy to so many people except to his own family. Very sad.
Gary admitted to his own family that he knew that the claims he made in his book that tarnished his father’s reputation were either grossly exaggerated or just made up. Do your own research on the matter.
It is really a sobering thing, to realize that whatever flaws your parents had, did affect you in some way. And most parents do their best...not so much, from what i see nowadays! Anyway, I am old now, and still have my mother around...she is 96, still fairly lucid, but her body is failing, of course. She was the dominant one in our family. I have a rather split personality--my father was very outgoing, loved talking to people--and I do too...yet, I also have a part of me that is cautious and reserved. My mother was like that, and still is! Not a bad combo, really! I thanked my dad many times, as he drifted into slow senility, for doing his best as a parent...and I still tell my mom the same thing...I was lucky to have decent parents.
@@curbozerboomer1773 Glad to hear, good parents are a blessing I wish everyone could have I was very fortunate, and thankful for my early childhood, wish it could've lasted longer but mum died very young, 39. Fortunately dad kept us all together. Now I miss him terribly as he did the best he could, raising 3 children, running the house and working full time. Wonderful man. I wish I'd thanked him over and over, we always think we have time, until suddenly, it's gone.
I never saw why Bing Crosby was as famous as he was . . . True he was blessed with a wonderful voice but other than that i never knew why he was so famous.
People became famous because the gatekeepers of the entertainment business chose them to be famous. There are many more talented people who never were presented to the public.
Bing ALWAYS spoke openly of his discipline and had people writing to him for parental advice. He never hid anything and was known for being very honest and straightforward.
I was born in the mid 50's, and I knew nothing of these things. This is early 2024 as I comment. I'm sad to hear of all this, and the sadness that cloaked this family. It proves that things aren't what they always seem. Prayers for all who suffer. I had a narcissistic mother. She blamed many things on my dad, and me only to find out after I was grown. They are smart like a fox. Sadly she passed of Alzheimer's in 2015 unable to hide as she always had. Jekyll, and hide personality. Family had no idea. She had a sad phony existence. Psychiatrists say one or both parents cause this by the sick way they treat their child or children. She was very cruel to me, but treated my brother as if she put him on a pedestal, and could do no wrong. He was a wonderful, kind, incredible person who couldn't do enough for others. He did nothing to cause this, but as an adult said he carried a lot of guilt for the way she treated me, and our dad. Dad had been a WWII POW. We can only move forward, and bless others for the way we wished we'd been treated. God Bless!!
May I suggest you read the newer books regarding Bing....meticulously researched over decades with interviews with approx 250 people who knew Bing including Phillip and Gary his two sons. It's also worth looking up the talks this gentlemen does on Bing and the interesting account of Gary's book...which as it turns out he didn't even really write. These things are balanced, fair...definitely no sugar coating of Bing's flaws, but do lay to rest many of the horrible mistruths regarding Bing since his passing.
I once heard he got married a second time, had more children, and doted on them, spent a lot of time with them and never ab*sed them. If this is true, it must have compounded his sons' feelings towards him.
Though they were his children, he was more in the stage of being a grandfather than young father. Many grandparents dote on young children. Glad that was his relationship with his second set of children. But Katherine made statements that made you wonder if he really did treat the second set well.
Not sure if it's true or not ?, I read somewhere that Bing Crosby was a hard man to live with and he verbally abused his wife and children, and I heard that many many years ago !!!
Gary's book has been refuted by his brother, Phillip and other members of the family. Most accounts of Bing are that he was a good man but absent from the boys early lives because he was away filming. Phillip has stated that since Bing was away most of the time, his wife Dixie was the disciplinarian. Dixie was known to have a drinking problem.
@@mrgoodbar1975 I believe the book. Crosby was cold, judgmental, a hypocrite who cheated on his wife constantly and showed at his home long enough to be nasty to his kids of which 2 committed suicide.
its all true. Bing was a real mess! In a biograph of Bob Hope, Hope said in all the years he and bing did movie and business together, never once did Bing invite him and delores over to his house for dinner! Bing was an extreme oddball!
Bing had His own Demons. He didn't need to invite the Old Infidel Bob Hope for Dinner. His exploitation of the MK Ultra Victim Katherine O'Brien and others is documented and disturbing. Hollyweird Reel Life.
I remember seeing Gary a lot in shows. He stood out. But to try and be successful in a career just because your Father was and to be better. Is rare. Few have done it. Sad.
In an interview, one of the sons described Bing beating them with a studded belt until they bled. It was eerie when the son stated that Bing would do this without displaying any emotion. He would then go back to reading the paper or whatever he had been doing before the beating, all with NO emotion. the son was asked if he would consider meeting his new half-siblings. NO! He stated that doing so would mean that what had happened was all right and it wasn't.
Did you read that Bing acknowledged that occasionally he used the belt and only for the most serious indiscretions. He noted that belt was used maybe 4-5 times during the boys upbringing...one time when the boys took Dixie's pet canary and plucked it clean whilst it was still alive. It died and Dixie was very very upset. Bing who loved animals...smacked the boys on the behind. GARY who was the only one out of 7 siblings to supposedly write a negative view of his childhood did spend time with Bing's second wife....who wrote about some of her experiences with the first four sons in her books...and Mary, Bing's daughter, talked to Gary.
A grade school teacher was his niece. Bing and his brother (her father) got into an argument in their 20's and Bing refused to speak to her father again for the rest of his life. This speaks volumes.
To lose one son to suicide is bad enough but to lose two raises some questions. BC was certainly not the easy going personality he played in public. He was abusive mentally, physically and verbally toward his sons and certainly had the means to be more financially supportive. He had to know his limitations as a parent but chose to have six children anyway. It's too bad he wasn't made to suffer as he made his sons suffer.
There were two parents! There's more to the story for goodness sake or everyone who has been abused would suicide. There was also counseling back then. We aren't talking about Neanderthal days! How do you know Bing didn't suffer? Back then people in general didn't share their troubles
I didn’t know Bing Crosby was a tyrant, but kind of shocked me because every time I seen i him on TV was so mellow and so nice goes to show you you never know what goes on behind closed doors
Children are drawn to the people who are the hardest on them this I learned from counseling. The sad thing is they don't realize the trauma they've been through till they hit rock bottom such as drugs or alcohol. And if it hurts you bad enough you suppress it you don't want to remember it you just want to remember the good times. So my thought is when the son made that statement he had suppressed the bad things so much that all he could remember were the good things. Now the years passed he started remembering The human mind is a complicated organ no to work the same way. That has been proven on the battlefields of war some minds can handle it, and some mind's can't.
Yes, I did know about the alleged abuse by Gary Crosby. It seemed to me that it was explained that Bing Crosby was a perfectionist and ruled with an iron fist, which might’ve been too much for these boys to handle emotionally. I think alcoholism was involved as well. so sad because you see these stars and you think that the way they are in public is what they are behind closed doors, but that is far from the truth often times. Very sad situations and it goes to show money & Fame cannot buy you happiness.
Of course if all of Bings behavior back in that era would have been kept a secret because of the money flowing to all of the enablers that was benefiting and the power that Crosby had. I never really read up on his family life; I knew he was Gary dad from seeing Gary on a 'Perry Mason" episode and seeing him on 'Adam-12" series. I really like Bing Cosby christmas music, that was the Crosby that I was familiar with. Thanks for sharing.
I'm struggling to understand how Bing could have had two second sons. True, Dixie had twins, but we all know twins come out of the chute one at a time.
The video is confusing because there is a lot of misinformation. Not a very researched piece of work. The 4 sons were Gary, Philip, Dennis with Lindsey, born in 1938, being the youngest. The video incorrectly identified him as not only the second son, but also born in 1934. The Mary Francis mentioned in the video is a half sister, who gained fame for shooting J. R. Ewing.
Sometimex we only see what people want us to see not what really goes on be hided closed doors. Reality is often ugly and dirty, sadly. may every one in this video rest in peace.
May i suggest you read the newer books mericulously researched over decades with interviews with many who knew Bing and including Gary and Phillip two of his sons from the first marriage. Then listen to the talks the writer did regarding Bing, Bings sons book and clearing up a lot of the horrendous and damaging mistruths about Bing. Doesnt sugarcoat Bing but does dispel a lot of the BS written about him.
Dixie, Bings first wife, suffered from extreme shyness and somewhat low confidence. She apparently did not enjoy performing...Bing tried to encourage her to record with him etc. which she did do, but he acknowledged it was a huge effort to get her to do so. They had what was called a Chowder Club with friends where they would do skits and perform but only with friends..Dixie was the star of the family when she married and people tried to steer her away from marrying Bing saying she would end up supporting him. Early into the marriage Dixie left and gave Bing an ultimatum to quit drinking etc. He did and was highly successful in controlling this with only the very occasional lapse. He became something of a tea tottaller. He could sit with and nurse one drink only after that....very disciplined which his son also noted. I dont think Bing made Dixie give up anything ... rather she did not enjoy the Hollywood phoniness and was content to stay on the sidelines whilst Bings career soared into the stratosphere.
Thank you, for this presentation. I was happy to have heard this because that final statement by Lindsay made me think differently. I had been judging Bing Crosby pretty harshly but Lindsey shows there is another side to the story. Back in the day it was acceptable to take your kids to the woodshed. I don't agree, I think it was horrible, but people thought differently back then. "Spare the rod, spoil the child". Also the drinking in the family had to have played a big part. I also wonder if those boys esteem was really harmed by trying and failing to make it in show business.
I read about his horrible child abuse from an article about his children from a later marriage. He was much older when they were born, but his rage apparently hadn't abated.
Disgusting and untrue. his second family had three children who adored him and spoke about how great he was. Maybe look up American Masters to hear what they say or read the youngest son's book. The first four sons.. only one had negativity, the other three sons defended Bing...Crosby Family Blasts Book. As for this so called rage..do people even read what the kids said...Gary who wrote that infamous book, even acknowledged that Bing never raised his voice or lost his temper.
I’m not condoning it but many men in my family drank hard, used the belt and thought a hard hand was the only way to bring up a child. I find it rare that a man of that time would even dare admit to regretting that behavior. It was expected you put up with it, as they did from their fathers before.
Wow. I never knew about this. I send great compassion for this family -- and those of us who relate to the abuse. You never really know what someone is going through-- or HAS gone through. Let us love ourselves a little better after hearing about this. We have all suffered in some way, have deep compassion for yourself, it will extend out to other too.❤️God bless you 😢
I was born in 1951 and I got the belt a lot. There was a lot of gas lighting and there were set ups from my siblings to push my buttons. My brothers had a long look back when I restrained myself from ever speaking to my family members for 20 or 30 years. When mom died they all really wanted me to come around. There was quite a bit of contrite behavior then by them. Corporal punishment from an early age is a bit like the ancient Spartan Agoge when from the age of 7 the kids are taught some very hard lessons and tortured to toughen them up for training. I'm like that now. One of the brothers who set me up is in prison for fraud and really eating crow a lot. It's amazing how getting your ass kicked early on causes you to watch out for possible disciplinary actions and more beatings. We were preacher's kids. Back then kids roamed the streets with pellet guns and trashcan lid shields and had battles. I made a shank Bowie knife age 5 1/2 with a piece of spring steel and a file. I became the most dangerous kid around but just kept to myself + out of trouble. These skills played out very well all my life. I'm 72 and tough as nails.
I never got the belt, but I did get a good whack on the arse now and then when I pushed my old man too far. I certainly wouldn't call it abuse, I call it discipline. Didn't mess me up in the head, and all the mistakes I've made in my life have been my own fault. Can't blame my Dad for any of them. From what I've seen, the kids nowadays could do with a bit of discipline. A smack on the arse is not physical abuse. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed of course.
My mother beat me with a belt many times. This was common at one time. It was never right. In retrospect I can say she was mentally ill. But this still does not excuse her abuse. My father did nothing and a brother was abusive too. I learned to hate my mother and brother.
Not surprising for the time. Unwed mothers were also sent away until after their baby was born and put up for adoption. Bing’s kids are the same age as my parents, born in the 30’s.
If you do a little research you will find that this was quite common in Hollywood back in the day. The advertising propaganda only showed perfect lives of actors to keep the envy of common people going so they would buy the tickets and tune into the Tv shows.
You are not interpreting Gary’s seemingly contradictory statements about his upbringing correctly. It is very, very common for childhood abuse victims to not recognize their own experiences for what they are until well into adulthood. If there is another factor to blame like excessive drinking, it can take even longer. Bing recognized his failings even before his own kids seem to see it. What was Bing’s childhood like. The takeaway here should be about breaking cycles of abuse and mistreatment.
The opening lists 4 children, but only the 3 boys were discussed as being abused. What about the daughter? What about how common alcoholism was common back then, and his wife was an alcoholic, and the children spent more of their time with her? Bing was very busy with his career but still included his sons in many of his programs. Here I go again: what about the daughter?. Why did this site have to include for each son that their careers never matched their fathers? Did they admire and love him more than they feared him? Did any of the boys have children, and how did they do? Alcoholism can run in families, and we know more now than we did back then. What is it with this generation that we have to tear apart past successful people? Wonder what the future will think of us!
Why no mention of Dennis Crosby's twin brother, Phillip? What, he didn't have any salacious things happen in his life worth mentioning? As for Gary, he never made superstar like his father, but he was a pretty successful actor appearing in many movies and tv shows, including a semi regular role for 7 yrs on Adam 12. And you mentioned their sister, Mary Frances. She was their half sister from Bing's second marriage to former actress Kathryn Grant. She also had 2 brothers, Harry Lillis III, and Nathaniel. And Lindsay Crosby was born in 1938, not 1934. He was the youngest of Bings sons from Dixie Lee.
Not surprised, it’s called narcissism. Presenting one face to the public but another (the truth) to the family. You’d be surprised how many people live that life!!!
Are family was close to Bing my grandfather became friends during WW2 and the friendship grew and Bing would go have supper at chateau Champlain in Montreal when he would travel to Quebec Canada (Montreal)
Seems many "successful" people are anything but when it comes to parenting. Providing wants and material posessions is great, as is having a nice house. However, if that's as good as it gets, the kids are essentially raising themselves, with notable scrutiny from the folks who can't be botherd with parenting. Kids want a role model and a hero, if the parent isn't such, they've failed. I imagine having the world view a situation completly out of context adds to the negative impact. Seems Hollywood is awesome at creating misery while presenting something very different.
Always a challenge looking back at parenting from years gone by. There was a different set of norms whether they were right or wrong. Most children in that time period could expect spankings by a belt-and fathers were often more concerned about careers-it was a societal expectation. Not saying this was good or should be glossed over, but it was a reality of the time.
It was not uncommon for children back then to get spanked with a belt. Most parents strapped their kids (myself included) with a belt or a shoe. In school you could get the strap from the principal if you disrupted the teacher and were sent to the principal's office. If the belt had cracks in it it really stung. In my family, the belt hung on a nail in the doorway. If the belt was not on the nail, all the kids hid cuz someone was going to get it. 😮
Bing Crosby was a judgmental hypocrite. Stating about his 2nd sets of kids, “I would disown my kids if they live outside of the sanction of marriage!” Yet, it was okay for Bing to boink Grace Kelly? 😏
This video was not edited very well. It states that Lindsay was born January 1934 as the second son of Bing and Dixie. It then states that Dennis was born to Bing and Dixie July 1934 as the second son. ???? Who was the second son and how can they be born in the 1930s 6 months apart? Also Gary the first son was born June 1933?? The suicidal deaths of Lindsay and Dennis were 2 years apart but it is stated one was 51 the other 56. Birth dates must be wrong. It wasn't caught.
I saw a documentary. He told his first wife that her job was to raise HIS kids so he could have an acting career and that should be enough for her!! She wasn't allowed to work. Bing would not allow it. Gary explained how every night he had to get weighed and if he didn't pass the weight then his father would spank him with a belt on his bare butt this was every night according to what was written in the book. Bing abused his other sons too, according to Gary. But I don't remember which one said that there was no abuse. One of them said so. He also said that Gary just wanted attention and that the book was full of lies. When his first wife died he got remarried again and said that fatherhood looked different to him now and he wanted a new family so he had three more kids Harry Jr ,Mary Frances and Nathaniel. Harry was on Friday the 13th and Mary was on the show Dallas. Denise Crosby from Star Trek the Next Generation her father was Dennis.
Phillip refuted Gary's book. Mary has stated that Gary told her the publisher wanted to make the book more sensationalized to sell more copies and the book that was released was not the book he wanted to write.
Bings first wife, Dixie Lee was an actress in her own right, but when the kids came she became a stay at home mom. She died young, at 43, from Ovarian Cancer.
@@jameshorton7496 you obviously have never seen the documentary Bing told her he didn't want her going back to work because her job was to raise HIS kids so he can have a life.
I remember the interview he did with Barbara Walters I think right towards the end of his life. He admitted some pretty horrifying things in terms of his personal beliefs, which were guided by a strong Catholic faith.
No't sure what to believe about the accusations, given that one of the surviving sons essentially called them lies by his dead brother who wrote the book. He said the author brother was a spoiled brat with a bad attitude who was always blaming someone else for his problems. I guess its possible the truth lay somewhere in the middle. Maybe Bing was an unusally strict father but not as viciously abusive as was written.
Violence against children was very common back then by the parents. Often physical violence as discipline has gone back generations . Today parents are taking away the kids video games , toys , and privileges. Also Father Knows best never hit the kids TV show and Leave it to Beaver and Gidget. Maybe producers wanted to teach good parenting. Grounding is a very good disciplinary action towards kids. ❤
Remember those three sons were born by their first mother, then few years later their mother passed away, so later on Bing was re- married again, with his new wife, they have one daughter and I think two sons.
I got the belt a few times growing up - did me a world of good. Looking at society's current state of rot, it becomes apparent this useful tool of discipline should never have been retired.
Was Bing hard on his sons? Probably as he was born and raised in a different time when children were "seen and not heard". Did he go overboard in the punishment and discipline? Yes, but not as Gery wrote of. Every childhood leaves scars and some amount of pain. What my parents did to their children would make what Bing did look like a picnic. In the end, as much as I feel sorry for what happened to his sons, ultimately, THEY made the choice to do what they did. There comes a certain time in your life when you have to accept responsibility for YOUR actions and get help for your past. If Gary's last name was anything but Crosby he would've moved out at 18 and lived his life.
@@colleen4everEasy.. Gary was reinterviewed in 9 hrs of taped interviews in which he was asked about certain stories in his book vs research. He couldn't remember writing certain things because he had been drinking heavily. Verified by the co-author when contacted. The book was pieced together. Also sad is that Gary spoke with his stepsister and told her why the book was written and that it wasn't really how it went down. Funny also that I read an interview with Gary regarding his own parenting which he acknowledged he came to see the need for rules and boundaries and that he spanked on occasion. The only thing he did differently was that he listened to his sons side of things more.. but he did seem to incorporate some of his parents things. His son adored him.
He had four sons from his first marriage: Gary ,the twins Phillip and Dennis, and Lindsey, he abused all of them. His oldest son Gary wrote a book and explained everything. He got married again he had his son Harry Jr his daughter Mary Frances and Nathaniel. Mary was in the show Dallas.
These were horrible parents and traumatized their kids. They never got over it. Alcoholism like their parents, ending their lives, no real careers having to go into entertainment instead of university degrees to establish other careers. I hope Bing was still alive when the abuse was outed.
You mean the book which contained stories Gary couldnt remember writing because he was drinking heavily throughout this period. Verified by the coauthor when asked. The book was pieced together. Sad that Gary did that for apparently the $$$
I loved Bing! He has a great , smooth voice. Franky and Dino are great as well. I wonder why some kids need to be famous because their parent is? You might not have the talent your dad or mom have. If you don’t have their acting or sinning voice. You don’t have to be as good as them. Usually most people who have a famous parent. You can have a carrier as a singer or actor , when your dad has, but most won’t have the same fame.
I think that in order to understand it, you do have to waIk in their moccasins. Your view of it is extremeIy myopic. Many of them do have the same talent, and growing ups with fame, chaos, and abuse is something the average person can't possibly know.
@@Sukijopa that may be true. There are a good amount of people who are famous . They can get their talent. They go through the same thing their mom and dad do. They may not have the talent their parents do, and people ed pe t you to ,also . You have to live in their parents shadow. My favorite band is the Beatles. I’m old. 😝. Their kids all grew up bring famous musicians. Except Shawn. But Johns kid Julian. George’s son and Paul’s daughter,, and Ringos son and daughter all had their parents. They had good lives. Except Johns because of his young when he was taken by a crazy man. I was an adolescent when John was taken. My friend came out of his house and told us John was gone. We all cried . He was a great man. He had his flaws. But he wanted peace.
@@maestromike91971 Are those typos? A Iot is hard to comprehend in there. BeatIes is my favorite band, too. Heather, Mary, SteIIa, and Lee are not musicians, Sean is a famous musician. AII of Bing's and Dixie's sons couId sing and harmonize very weII, Their taIent was showcased on TV a few times. But the point is that Bing was very harsh and crueI to his first set of kids. Second wife Katherine, from what I've heard, didn't aIIow that with her kids, and by that time Bing was oIder and therefore probabIy melowed out a bit, too.
@@Sukijopa I don’t think Sean is a famous musician. Julian was horrible long time. He looks a lot like his dad, and sounded like it was well.. Paul’s kids were famous for other things. Such as Fashion I am family is authors. George’s son is a really good musician as well. I think Ringo has died and I don’t know if he has a son. George’s son looks a lot like him sounds like him as well. I have two bad John one was taken away from us way too young! And George was taking a little young little Paul his story making music was really incredible considering his age Ringo I think also plays at times. John and George were fighting for a while. Then John and Paul were . Ringo was trying to be the peace maker from what I can tell? He was on Paul’s and George’s music videos. He is now doing a Peace and Love tour. Paul is trying to sing about peace as well. I pray the. are both around for a while.
@@maestromike91971 Wow, you are way OFF, and it doesn't Iook Iike English is your first Ianguage.. First you say Ringo "has died", and then say he's doing the Peace and Love tour. You aIso say you don't know if he has a son. He has two sons, both drummers. . Sean is the most famous musician of the BeatIes kids, even more famous than Dani Harrison. Anyway, this particuIar video is about BING Crosby, so it's best if the comments stay on that topic.
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I was wondering the same thing.
Yes I have heard of her but learned more of her by watching that piece you showed it was very interesting. Thank you for showing it
What is wrong with whippings with belts slot of people have been whipped with belts and switches!
We should also remember Denise Crosby, who played Lt. Tasha Yar on Star Trek - The Next Generation. She is Bing Crosby's granddaughter. He never acknowledged her.
Why should we watch anything else since you couldn't even get how many sons Bing had correctly. He HAD FOUR SONS. The daughter you name was his daughter from his second wife, Kathryn. His sons were Gary, Lindsey, Phillip and Dennis. I hope all your shows don't have such massive mistakes.
I briefly met Gary at an art center in Petoskey, MI, when he gave a talk about his book. Afterwards I introduced myself and he said h.e was working on opening a clinic for recovering alcoholics and he was doing some counseling. I told him he would really do well at that. He said,"From your mouth to God's ear." His mother was a severe alcoholic and spent most of the time in bed and he had to go see her every day after school. He never knew if she would kiss his cheek or slap him across the face, depending on her level of intoxication. 😢
Thankfully Gary seemed to go on to have a successful acting career despite all that. Love him on Adam-12
😂BS.. you'd be about 100 now
@@barry1122 people like you are so strange, you just jump in with negative comments. Many people just have good experiences to share. Have you none? I will venture to say that you don't read books or do any research.
I was in my 40's when he came here to Macuen Art Center. I was teaching then as I have a Master's Degree in Education. I am 73 now and retired, not 100 quite yet. Gary died in 1995. Do the math, although your comment tells me you may need some help with that.
@@maryannswanson3832Barry is a Troll 😮 Beware, Trolls love to ruffle afew feathers online !!! 😂. I believe you 100 % !!!.
Dixie was a rising star and Bing was jealous and controlling and possibly destroyed her career and life. Check out how his estate was arranged so that only one son lived long enough to benefit. Loved his performances but !!!!!!!.
This bio fails to mention that all the boys spent most of their time with their mother, Dixie who was an alcoholic. The problem was that both parents failed them, and alcoholism runs in families.
I'm glad Gary seemed to rise above that and go on to have a successful acting career. I love Adam-12.
Those boys didn't stand a chance of not becoming alcoholics with both parents being drunks. It is mostly genetic.
You're right. Psychological problems to include alcoholism is passed on to generation to generation and with all that it brings.
If one of the parents or even worse both, have a substance abuse or alcohol problem, the family will be dysfunctional.
A friend of mine, of Irish background, told me that he did not want to pass on the "family tradition" to his children. He had drank before he got serious with a woman and for the most part he stopped drinking. Eventually he got married, had children and did not drink.
There was a critical point in his life where he had been drinking in secrecy, however he kept his children from finding out that he was doing that.
His grown children as adults did not use drugs or drink. Years later he had told them about his relapse he had had with alcohol and asked them about it
and they told him they had no idea about his drinking episode, that it was going on.
Sorry for all you went through. I was born in 1960, my parents had 7 kids, I was #5 and keeping us kids under control was not an easy task. I give my parents credit, they did the best they could.
I was born the same year. Parents had 8 kids, and I was #4.
We did not get much. My dad drank, and did not use his head
much. Sometimes he crossed the line at discipline. Like I said
earlier, the drinking did not help. He did not put much into the
family, but everyone except the youngest, and the one who
married a female crook succeeded. My mom did not fight to
protect us against my dad's drinking. But she fought tooth & nail
for the youngest who was the only drug addict in the family. He did
not go through half of what his older siblings went through, yet he
quit school, and got in serious trouble which landed him in prison.
He had a 2nd chance at life, and blew that as well. Robbing everyone
from his family to his best friends. He is gone now, dead from a
polluted body of 35 years to drugs. Parents can only do so much, but
the kids have no choice but to make it on their own. Maybe what Crosby
demonstrated was called tough love. My family got it, and both parents
did not show emotional love to the kids. We knew in their own way they
loved their kids, but they never rewarded us for the positive things we did.
They only(mostly my dad) punished us for doing the bad things. That is a
very confusing upbringing. I remember an old Gomer Pyle episode where
the mess Sergeant Hacker saying his old Sergeant said you got out of the
pot what you put into it. That was my dad spot on. We all succeeded without
his input. He wanted an officer in the family, but again, what did he put into his
family? Today, my dad would be in jail for what he pulled in the early 70s. Today's
world is worse than what it was when we were young, or is it? I don't see the same
world that I knew as a kid, but then there may be someone who thinks the complete
opposite. Strange, but Crosby's kids were around my parents age. They could have
married my mom, and she was a wee bit younger than his kids. There is a reason I
did not bring kids into the world. And my upbringing was a big part of it. I knew a
handful of girls who felt the same way. I respected their choice, and could not
understand the ones who could not respect my choice.
I'm # 5 of 7 also. I consider myself blessed to have had my parents. Were they perfect no no one is. I was blessed wish they were still here.
@@sandrastephenson9467 I agree with you. We had a great up bringing, we were taken care of wonderfully and spent alot of time outside, playing or "finding something to do". I miss my parents alot to. bless you 🙏🙏🙏
I don't believe Gary's story. I think it was based on jealousy because he didn't achieve the success his father had. I know from personal experience that alcoholics are liars who can't accept the truth about themselves and project the blame for their faults onto others. There is a saying " How do you know if an alcoholic is lying? Answer their lips are moving."
I recall watching a TV interview with Katherine Crosby, Bing's second wife, in the early '80's on the Merv Griffin show I think it was. As Katherine related how Bing demanded absolute perfection and quiet from his boys when he was home, she let it drop that she would do anything to ensure that peace for him. Merv nonchalantly asked "anything?" to which she replied, "yes," and went on to say something like, "even if it meant killing them." It was so shocking that the audience erupted in horror and anger, and I recall the TV screen going blank for a split second before Merv reappeared saying "we're going to cut for a commercial" or something, which the show did. When the commercials ended and Merv reappeared, Katherine Crosby was no longer there and the show commenced as if she never had been. I've never forgotten this, especially when the youngest son's book came out about his father's abuse. I have no reason to disbelieve him. You can look this up, hopefully it hasn't been removed from the archives.
Ever heard of mk ultra mind control?
Links please
Maybe I'm too cynical but I can't believe Katherine Crosby would not have a problem murdering Bings kids just so they wouldn't bother their dad. And admit it on television?
No, that never happened. She would have to be a complete Whack-A-Doodle and her husband too.
Sounds like he may have abused the second set of children directly or indirectly.
I don't recall this and can't find it.
What does a man gain with all the riches of this world if he loses his soul and the love of his family . ☹️
Do not judge until you’ve walked in another man’s moccasins!
@@kevinmcconnell3641 everyone has abandoned God is some ways, 1 way or another, Each will receive his rewards, Bing ignored God and his 3 sons had to pay for that neglect.
The answer is ":IT'S all vanity!"
Bing Crosby was popular and went to his head.Three sons commit suicide? Something wrong.
That's religious not necessary faith in Jesus
I knew about Bing’s abuse yeas ago. My deceased mother loved Bing so much. When I told her about his abuse and alcoholism, she didn’t want to know. But she eventually accepted it and was really saddened by it.
Best to enjoy their talent. No one is perfect, alcoholism is usually a family thing.
In Bing's time Hollywood strove to give its stars complete character makeovers that often were nothing like the actual person(Jon Crawford comes to mind). People fell in love with their personas, while their true characters were often well hidden. Sorry your mother was saddened by this. It's disappointing to learn the truth about our idols, but they're human. Lots of people loved the Crooner and still love his voice.
What alcoholism, he had that well and truly behind him very early into his first marriage because of Dixie's intervention. As for Gary's book he was reinterviewed in 9 hrs of taped conversations in which he was challenged regarding stories from his book with research by the interviewer. I can't remember writing that as I had been drinking at the time was his response. VERIFIED when the researcher contacted the books co-author. The book was pieced together maybe read how. Gary spoke to his stepsister regarding the book in which he told her it wasnt really the way it went down and why it had been written$$$$ Sad that two books, one completely debunked and the other pieced together but not really written by the son damaged Bing's reputation. Maybe read the newer info regarding Bing done by a brilliant writer who has spent decades researching, interviewing..including Phil and Gary..and who was given unprecedented access to Bing's correspondence etc. He does not sugarcoat Bing at all but gives a fair and balanced assessment. Bing was a good man.
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I was in AA with Gary, Bing was a monster and an abusive drunk. At that time Bing was doing OJ commercials with his new family that looked all rosy!
So much for anonymity
I remember those OJ commercials. When Andy Williams helped his ex wife after she was charged with murder, Katherine Crosby said Bing would never have done that. Bing Crosby was a horrible father
as i mentioned above BEFORE reading your post, I knew Bing had a shadow issue, and failed to deal w it, Passed it on to his 3 sons, They failed to deal with the shadow. I put some of the blame of California culture and Hollywood. Not all, but enough, California is Go At Your Own Risk
I can’t imagine how difficult the journey has been for you……continued success
I call BS..
I was born in 1954. I never knew anything about his abusive parenting. I am so sorry to learn about his sons upbringing. He brought joy to so many people except to his own family. Very sad.
Gary admitted to his own family that he knew that the claims he made in his book that tarnished his father’s reputation were either grossly exaggerated or just made up. Do your own research on the matter.
Sadly, most of us are not so blessed to have good sensible parents who love us and care for us.
So very true.
Seems more rare to have decent parents. Not just now but always. Something that should be so basic is so rare. Sad.
It is really a sobering thing, to realize that whatever flaws your parents had, did affect you in some way. And most parents do their best...not so much, from what i see nowadays! Anyway, I am old now, and still have my mother around...she is 96, still fairly lucid, but her body is failing, of course. She was the dominant one in our family. I have a rather split personality--my father was very outgoing, loved talking to people--and I do too...yet, I also have a part of me that is cautious and reserved. My mother was like that, and still is! Not a bad combo, really! I thanked my dad many times, as he drifted into slow senility, for doing his best as a parent...and I still tell my mom the same thing...I was lucky to have decent parents.
@@curbozerboomer1773 Glad to hear, good parents are a blessing I wish everyone could have
I was very fortunate, and thankful for my early childhood, wish it could've lasted longer but mum died very young, 39. Fortunately dad kept us all together. Now I miss him terribly as he did the best he could, raising 3 children, running the house and working full time. Wonderful man. I wish I'd thanked him over and over, we always think we have time, until suddenly, it's gone.
I never saw why Bing Crosby was as famous as he was . . . True he was blessed with a wonderful voice but other than that i never knew why he was so famous.
How about acting oscars? How about raising the funds for a major racetrack and agricultural expo area?
🤔 why is *any* famous singer as famous as they are… because their music is popular and it makes them famous, of course
It's WHEN he became famous
Like Elvis & the Beatles
The technology added to it
People became famous because the gatekeepers of the entertainment business chose them to be famous. There are many more talented people who never were presented to the public.
Agree. Not handsome at all. Hollywood is known for sustance abuse.
Bing ALWAYS spoke openly of his discipline and had people writing to him for parental advice. He never hid anything and was known for being very honest and straightforward.
I was born in the mid 50's, and I knew nothing of these things. This is early 2024 as I comment. I'm sad to hear of all this, and the sadness that cloaked this family. It proves that things aren't what they always seem. Prayers for all who suffer. I had a narcissistic mother. She blamed many things on my dad, and me only to find out after I was grown. They are smart like a fox. Sadly she passed of Alzheimer's in 2015 unable to hide as she always had. Jekyll, and hide personality. Family had no idea. She had a sad phony existence. Psychiatrists say one or both parents cause this by the sick way they treat their child or children. She was very cruel to me, but treated my brother as if she put him on a pedestal, and could do no wrong. He was a wonderful, kind, incredible person who couldn't do enough for others. He did nothing to cause this, but as an adult said he carried a lot of guilt for the way she treated me, and our dad. Dad had been a WWII POW. We can only move forward, and bless others for the way we wished we'd been treated. God Bless!!
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"We can only move forward, and bless others for the way we wished we'd been treated. God Bless!!
What a wonderfully merciful comment!
May I suggest you read the newer books regarding Bing....meticulously researched over decades with interviews with approx 250 people who knew Bing including Phillip and Gary his two sons. It's also worth looking up the talks this gentlemen does on Bing and the interesting account of Gary's book...which as it turns out he didn't even really write. These things are balanced, fair...definitely no sugar coating of Bing's flaws, but do lay to rest many of the horrible mistruths regarding Bing since his passing.
I once heard he got married a second time, had more children, and doted on them, spent a lot of time with them and never ab*sed them. If this is true, it must have compounded his sons' feelings towards him.
Crosby sure did. Comparing Crosby and his 'first' family, with his second, is like night and day!
Thank you so much for sharing this info. What is your favorite song of Bing?
Mary Frances Crosby was actually his daughter with his second wife, Kathryn Grant.
Though they were his children, he was more in the stage of being a grandfather than young father. Many grandparents dote on young children. Glad that was his relationship with his second set of children. But Katherine made statements that made you wonder if he really did treat the second set well.
Not sure if it's true or not ?, I read somewhere that Bing Crosby was a hard man to live with and he verbally abused his wife and children, and I heard that many many years ago !!!
His son, Gary Crosby, who was an actor and singer wrote a book about their childhood. It wasn’t pretty.
Yes, I read that too.
Gary's book has been refuted by his brother, Phillip and other members of the family. Most accounts of Bing are that he was a good man but absent from the boys early lives because he was away filming. Phillip has stated that since Bing was away most of the time, his wife Dixie was the disciplinarian. Dixie was known to have a drinking problem.
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@@mrgoodbar1975 I believe the book. Crosby was cold, judgmental, a hypocrite who cheated on his wife constantly and showed at his home long enough to be nasty to his kids of which 2 committed suicide.
its all true. Bing was a real mess! In a biograph of Bob Hope, Hope said in all the years he and bing did movie and business together, never once did Bing invite him and delores over to his house for dinner! Bing was an extreme oddball!
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Bing was an Irish man, and Bob Hope was English; enough said.
But they spent a lot of time together at golf clubs so they didnt need any more socializing.
Hope has a past too I've heard?
Bing had His own Demons. He didn't need to invite the Old Infidel Bob Hope for Dinner. His exploitation of the MK Ultra Victim Katherine O'Brien and others is documented and disturbing. Hollyweird Reel Life.
I remember seeing Gary a lot in shows. He stood out. But to try and be successful in a career just because your Father was and to be better. Is rare. Few have done it. Sad.
He was good on Adam -12
In an interview, one of the sons described Bing beating them with a studded belt until they bled. It was eerie when the son stated that Bing would do this without displaying any emotion. He would then go back to reading the paper or whatever he had been doing before the beating, all with NO emotion. the son was asked if he would consider meeting his new half-siblings. NO! He stated that doing so would mean that what had happened was all right and it wasn't.
Did you read that Bing acknowledged that occasionally he used the belt and only for the most serious indiscretions. He noted that belt was used maybe 4-5 times during the boys upbringing...one time when the boys took Dixie's pet canary and plucked it clean whilst it was still alive. It died and Dixie was very very upset. Bing who loved animals...smacked the boys on the behind. GARY who was the only one out of 7 siblings to supposedly write a negative view of his childhood did spend time with Bing's second wife....who wrote about some of her experiences with the first four sons in her books...and Mary, Bing's daughter, talked to Gary.
Had heard that Bing beat his sons savagely.
I heard that too, and I haven't been able to stomach hearing White Christmas ever since.
Not true...he spanked on the hand or backside. Which in that era was done by many families.
I read a book & he was a monster…………cruel, nasty, & a horrid father
I was jealous of these rich kids as we rarely had enough to eat. Now I see that it wasn't what I thought.
A grade school teacher was his niece. Bing and his brother (her father) got into an argument in their 20's and Bing refused to speak to her father again for the rest of his life. This speaks volumes.
Wasn't aware of Bing's sons suicide (2 of his sons), that had to be an indescribable pain for Bing.
🙏 RIP CROSBY SONS 🙏
🙏 RIP BING CROSBY 🙏
Bung Crosby died in 1977
To lose one son to suicide is bad enough but to lose two raises some questions. BC was certainly not the easy going personality he played in public. He was abusive mentally, physically and verbally toward his sons and certainly had the means to be more financially supportive. He had to know his limitations as a parent but chose to have six children anyway. It's too bad he wasn't made to suffer as he made his sons suffer.
There were two parents! There's more to the story for goodness sake or everyone who has been abused would suicide. There was also counseling back then. We aren't talking about Neanderthal days! How do you know Bing didn't suffer? Back then people in general didn't share their troubles
I didn’t know Bing Crosby was a tyrant, but kind of shocked me because every time I seen i him on TV was so mellow and so nice goes to show you you never know what goes on behind closed doors
Children are drawn to the people who are the hardest on them this I learned from counseling. The sad thing is they don't realize the trauma they've been through till they hit rock bottom such as drugs or alcohol. And if it hurts you bad enough you suppress it you don't want to remember it you just want to remember the good times. So my thought is when the son made that statement he had suppressed the bad things so much that all he could remember were the good things. Now the years passed he started remembering The human mind is a complicated organ no to work the same way. That has been proven on the battlefields of war some minds can handle it, and some mind's can't.
Yes, I did know about the alleged abuse by Gary Crosby. It seemed to me that it was explained that Bing Crosby was a perfectionist and ruled with an iron fist, which might’ve been too much for these boys to handle emotionally. I think alcoholism was involved as well. so sad because you see these stars and you think that the way they are in public is what they are behind closed doors, but that is far from the truth often times. Very sad situations and it goes to show money & Fame cannot buy you happiness.
you have to be close to your family to love them deeply.
Of course if all of Bings behavior back in that era would have been kept a secret because of the money flowing to all of the enablers that was benefiting and the power that Crosby had. I never really read up on his family life; I knew he was Gary dad from seeing Gary on a 'Perry Mason" episode and seeing him on 'Adam-12" series. I really like Bing Cosby christmas music, that was the Crosby that I was familiar with. Thanks for sharing.
I'm struggling to understand how Bing could have had two second sons. True, Dixie had twins, but we all know twins come out of the chute one at a time.
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The video is confusing because there is a lot of misinformation. Not a very researched piece of work. The 4 sons were Gary, Philip, Dennis with Lindsey, born in 1938, being the youngest. The video incorrectly identified him as not only the second son, but also born in 1934. The Mary Francis mentioned in the video is a half sister, who gained fame for shooting J. R. Ewing.
Sometimex we only see what people want us to see not what really goes on be hided closed doors. Reality is often ugly and dirty, sadly. may every one in this video rest in peace.
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May i suggest you read the newer books mericulously researched over decades with interviews with many who knew Bing and including Gary and Phillip two of his sons from the first marriage. Then listen to the talks the writer did regarding Bing, Bings sons book and clearing up a lot of the horrendous and damaging mistruths about Bing. Doesnt sugarcoat Bing but does dispel a lot of the BS written about him.
Dixie, Bings first wife, suffered from extreme shyness and somewhat low confidence. She apparently did not enjoy performing...Bing tried to encourage her to record with him etc. which she did do, but he acknowledged it was a huge effort to get her to do so. They had what was called a Chowder Club with friends where they would do skits and perform but only with friends..Dixie was the star of the family when she married and people tried to steer her away from marrying Bing saying she would end up supporting him. Early into the marriage Dixie left and gave Bing an ultimatum to quit drinking etc. He did and was highly successful in controlling this with only the very occasional lapse. He became something of a tea tottaller. He could sit with and nurse one drink only after that....very disciplined which his son also noted. I dont think Bing made Dixie give up anything ... rather she did not enjoy the Hollywood phoniness and was content to stay on the sidelines whilst Bings career soared into the stratosphere.
Thank you, for this presentation. I was happy to have heard this because that final statement by Lindsay made me think differently. I had been judging Bing Crosby pretty harshly but Lindsey shows there is another side to the story. Back in the day it was acceptable to take your kids to the woodshed. I don't agree, I think it was horrible, but people thought differently back then. "Spare the rod, spoil the child". Also the drinking in the family had to have played a big part. I also wonder if those boys esteem was really harmed by trying and failing to make it in show business.
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I read about his horrible child abuse from an article about his children from a later marriage. He was much older when they were born, but his rage apparently hadn't abated.
Disgusting and untrue. his second family had three children who adored him and spoke about how great he was. Maybe look up American Masters to hear what they say or read the youngest son's book. The first four sons.. only one had negativity, the other three sons defended Bing...Crosby Family Blasts Book. As for this so called rage..do people even read what the kids said...Gary who wrote that infamous book, even acknowledged that Bing never raised his voice or lost his temper.
Despite growing up in the shadow of their legendary father, they faced personal struggles and challenges that ultimately led to their untimely deaths.
I’m not condoning it but many men in my family drank hard, used the belt and thought a hard hand was the only way to bring up a child. I find it rare that a man of that time would even dare admit to regretting that behavior. It was expected you put up with it, as they did from their fathers before.
Yep, and listening to the other children,Bing was a strict and not very communicative but not a abusive father just like my Dad and Grandpa
I believe the Bing, and his sons. I'm sure it was hard to have a father, like him. Bing knew it, too.😢
Wow. I never knew about this. I send great compassion for this family -- and those of us who relate to the abuse. You never really know what someone is going through-- or HAS gone through. Let us love ourselves a little better after hearing about this. We have all suffered in some way, have deep compassion for yourself, it will extend out to other too.❤️God bless you 😢
That was a different time. Being whipped with a belt was common practice...personal experience.
I was born in 1951 and I got the belt a lot. There was a lot of gas lighting and there were set ups from my siblings to push my buttons. My brothers had a long look back when I restrained myself from ever speaking to my family members for 20 or 30 years. When mom died they all really wanted me to come around. There was quite a bit of contrite behavior then by them. Corporal punishment from an early age is a bit like the ancient Spartan Agoge when from the age of 7 the kids are taught some very hard lessons and tortured to toughen them up for training. I'm like that now. One of the brothers who set me up is in prison for fraud and really eating crow a lot. It's amazing how getting your ass kicked early on causes you to watch out for possible disciplinary actions and more beatings. We were preacher's kids. Back then kids roamed the streets with pellet guns and trashcan lid shields and had battles. I made a shank Bowie knife age 5 1/2 with a piece of spring steel and a file. I became the most dangerous kid around but just kept to myself + out of trouble. These skills played out very well all my life. I'm 72 and tough as nails.
Doesn't make it right, and some parents take it to a whoIe new IeveI
I never got the belt, but I did get a good whack on the arse now and then when I pushed my old man too far. I certainly wouldn't call it abuse, I call it discipline. Didn't mess me up in the head, and all the mistakes I've made in my life have been my own fault. Can't blame my Dad for any of them. From what I've seen, the kids nowadays could do with a bit of discipline. A smack on the arse is not physical abuse. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed of course.
My mother beat me with a belt many times. This was common at one time. It was never right. In retrospect I can say she was mentally ill. But this still does not excuse her abuse. My father did nothing and a brother was abusive too. I learned to hate my mother and brother.
@@garysmith8276 Agreed, a smack on the arse is one thing and a belt is another. As I say there is a line, a belt probably crosses that line.
The problem with what you hear about an actor is, it probably came from the studio PR department.
He once said that if his daughter moved in with her boyfriend, he would disown her.
Not surprising for the time. Unwed mothers were also sent away until after their baby was born and put up for adoption. Bing’s kids are the same age as my parents, born in the 30’s.
Is that wrong?
Bing did not leave his money to his sons
Drug addiction will hurt all humans .God bless the People of plant earth
If you do a little research you will find that this was quite common in Hollywood back in the day. The advertising propaganda only showed perfect lives of actors to keep the envy of common people going so they would buy the tickets and tune into the Tv shows.
Microsoft liked Bing so much they named a search engine after him
I remember going my way with Bing Crosby favorite movie
You are not interpreting Gary’s seemingly contradictory statements about his upbringing correctly. It is very, very common for childhood abuse victims to not recognize their own experiences for what they are until well into adulthood. If there is another factor to blame like excessive drinking, it can take even longer. Bing recognized his failings even before his own kids seem to see it. What was Bing’s childhood like. The takeaway here should be about breaking cycles of abuse and mistreatment.
The opening lists 4 children, but only the 3 boys were discussed as being abused. What about the daughter? What about how common alcoholism was common back then, and his wife was an alcoholic, and the children spent more of their time with her? Bing was very busy with his career but still included his sons in many of his programs. Here I go again: what about the daughter?. Why did this site have to include for each son that their careers never matched their fathers? Did they admire and love him more than they feared him? Did any of the boys have children, and how did they do? Alcoholism can run in families, and we know more now than we did back then. What is it with this generation that we have to tear apart past successful people? Wonder what the future will think of us!
So sad...Hollywood stardom can be fleeting, at best. Bing was at the - apex. It had to be daunting to follow in his successful footsteps!
Something is not clear, how could he have a son born in January 1934, and then one born July 1934 ( both by the same wife, Dixie Lee) ?? 🤔🤔
I think this whole channel is done by bot.
And according to this idiotic narrative, two of his sons were born second.
There was twin boys
I heard July 1933 for Gary.
Google said Lindsey was Jan. 5th 1938
The way Gary Crosby talked about his father after Bing died his dad was horrific
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The truth is the truth no matter when
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@@davestephen8679 Amen
His second wife made some statements that left you thinking Bing wasn’t a sweet smooth talker like he portrayed as a performer.
Sad story. Nobody parents perfectly. We do our best. RIP Bing and sons (and daughter).
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I’d read that Bing would beat his kids until he drew the first drop of blood. An awfully severe man, if true.😢
Why no mention of Dennis Crosby's twin brother, Phillip? What, he didn't have any salacious things happen in his life worth mentioning? As for Gary, he never made superstar like his father, but he was a pretty successful actor appearing in many movies and tv shows, including a semi regular role for 7 yrs on Adam 12. And you mentioned their sister, Mary Frances. She was their half sister from Bing's second marriage to former actress Kathryn Grant. She also had 2 brothers, Harry Lillis III, and Nathaniel. And Lindsay Crosby was born in 1938, not 1934. He was the youngest of Bings sons from Dixie Lee.
Agree with you
Dennis & Gary look like twins..may tbey R.I P.🙏🙏🙏
Not surprised, it’s called narcissism. Presenting one face to the public but another (the truth) to the family. You’d be surprised how many people live that life!!!
Are family was close to Bing my grandfather became friends during WW2 and the friendship grew and Bing would go have supper at chateau Champlain in Montreal when he would travel to Quebec Canada (Montreal)
That’s ten minutes that I will never get back………
Hahaha
Seems many "successful" people are anything but when it comes to parenting. Providing wants and material posessions is great, as is having a nice house. However, if that's as good as it gets, the kids are essentially raising themselves, with notable scrutiny from the folks who can't be botherd with parenting. Kids want a role model and a hero, if the parent isn't such, they've failed. I imagine having the world view a situation completly out of context adds to the negative impact. Seems Hollywood is awesome at creating misery while presenting something very different.
I had heard of the abuse, but just hearsay no one has ever really shown it happened.
Wow the crooner is mut perfect no one ever is, not all that glitters is gold. Honor thy father and thy mother the sons did.
NO excuse to abuse your kids!!
Always a challenge looking back at parenting from years gone by. There was a different set of norms whether they were right or wrong. Most children in that time period could expect spankings by a belt-and fathers were often more concerned about careers-it was a societal expectation. Not saying this was good or should be glossed over, but it was a reality of the time.
I never knew any of this... I adored Bing Crosby. What A Shame
It was not uncommon for children back then to get spanked with a belt. Most parents strapped their kids (myself included) with a belt or a shoe. In school you could get the strap from the principal if you disrupted the teacher and were sent to the principal's office. If the belt had cracks in it it really stung. In my family, the belt hung on a nail in the doorway. If the belt was not on the nail, all the kids hid cuz someone was going to get it. 😮
Bing Crosby was a judgmental hypocrite. Stating about his 2nd sets of kids, “I would disown my kids if they live outside of the sanction of marriage!” Yet, it was okay for Bing to boink Grace Kelly? 😏
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Well your being very judgmental ,who are we to judge, we only know what we read about
I remember he said he would disown Mary Crosby if she ever lived with a man without being married. I thought that was very harsh and cruel
@@65wisemanI hope that’s not why she killed herself. He was not worth it
Yeah I remember an interview about Crosby, what a hypocrite!!!
This video was not edited very well. It states that Lindsay was born January 1934 as the second son of Bing and Dixie. It then states that Dennis was born to Bing and Dixie July 1934 as the second son. ???? Who was the second son and how can they be born in the 1930s 6 months apart? Also Gary the first son was born June 1933?? The suicidal deaths of Lindsay and Dennis were 2 years apart but it is stated one was 51 the other 56. Birth dates must be wrong. It wasn't caught.
This is sad ! 😢
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I saw a documentary. He told his first wife that her job was to raise HIS kids so he could have an acting career and that should be enough for her!! She wasn't allowed to work. Bing would not allow it.
Gary explained how every night he had to get weighed and if he didn't pass the weight then his father would spank him with a belt on his bare butt this was every night according to what was written in the book.
Bing abused his other sons too, according to Gary. But I don't remember which one said that there was no abuse. One of them said so. He also said that Gary just wanted attention and that the book was full of lies.
When his first wife died he got remarried again and said that fatherhood looked different to him now and he wanted a new family so he had three more kids Harry Jr ,Mary Frances and Nathaniel.
Harry was on Friday the 13th and Mary was on the show Dallas.
Denise Crosby from Star Trek the Next Generation her father was Dennis.
Phillip refuted Gary's book. Mary has stated that Gary told her the publisher wanted to make the book more sensationalized to sell more copies and the book that was released was not the book he wanted to write.
@@mrgoodbar1975 Gary admitted he was abused.
But anyway everybody is long dead so that's that.
Bings first wife, Dixie Lee was an actress in her own right, but when the kids came she became a stay at home mom. She died young, at 43, from Ovarian Cancer.
@@jameshorton7496 you obviously have never seen the documentary Bing told her he didn't want her going back to work because her job was to raise HIS kids so he can have a life.
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It would have been a real curse to be a son of Bing Crosby, for sure!
I wonder how Lindsey feels now after his father’s death when he didn’t receive any inheritance from him. What a damn shame Bing Crosby was.
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Lindsay Crosby was not the 2nd born (1938). The twins, Dennis and PhiIIip were born second (1934) after Gary (1933).
I remember the interview he did with Barbara Walters I think right towards the end of his life. He admitted some pretty horrifying things in terms of his personal beliefs, which were guided by a strong Catholic faith.
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What 'confession' do you allude to it the heading please?
No't sure what to believe about the accusations, given that one of the surviving sons essentially called them lies by his dead brother who wrote the book. He said the author brother was a spoiled brat with a bad attitude who was always blaming someone else for his problems. I guess its possible the truth lay somewhere in the middle. Maybe Bing was an unusally strict father but not as viciously abusive as was written.
Violence against children was very common back then by the parents. Often physical violence as discipline has gone back generations . Today parents are taking away the kids video games , toys , and privileges. Also Father Knows best never hit the kids TV show and Leave it to Beaver and Gidget. Maybe producers wanted to teach good parenting. Grounding is a very good disciplinary action towards kids. ❤
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Remember those three sons were born by their first mother, then few years later their mother passed away, so later on Bing was re- married again, with his new wife, they have one daughter and I think two sons.
I ve heard that Bing Crosby was very strict with the kids. And that's why his son s never had a good relationship with Bing at all. Pam Johnson
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I got the belt a few times growing up - did me a world of good. Looking at society's current state of rot, it becomes apparent this useful tool of discipline should never have been retired.
His daughter Mary was adorable in Dallas.
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Was Bing hard on his sons? Probably as he was born and raised in a different time when children were "seen and not heard". Did he go overboard in the punishment and discipline? Yes, but not as Gery wrote of. Every childhood leaves scars and some amount of pain. What my parents did to their children would make what Bing did look like a picnic. In the end, as much as I feel sorry for what happened to his sons, ultimately, THEY made the choice to do what they did. There comes a certain time in your life when you have to accept responsibility for YOUR actions and get help for your past. If Gary's last name was anything but Crosby he would've moved out at 18 and lived his life.
How do you know? YOU weren;t there and Gary was!!
@@colleen4everEasy.. Gary was reinterviewed in 9 hrs of taped interviews in which he was asked about certain stories in his book vs research. He couldn't remember writing certain things because he had been drinking heavily. Verified by the co-author when contacted. The book was pieced together. Also sad is that Gary spoke with his stepsister and told her why the book was written and that it wasn't really how it went down. Funny also that I read an interview with Gary regarding his own parenting which he acknowledged he came to see the need for rules and boundaries and that he spanked on occasion. The only thing he did differently was that he listened to his sons side of things more.. but he did seem to incorporate some of his parents things. His son adored him.
Only son I knew of is Harry Crosby, 'cause he is in one of my fav movies, Friday the 13th (1980).
He had four sons from his first marriage: Gary ,the twins Phillip and Dennis, and Lindsey, he abused all of them. His oldest son Gary wrote a book and explained everything. He got married again he had his son Harry Jr his daughter Mary Frances and Nathaniel. Mary was in the show Dallas.
@@castielmaverickwentworth82074 , yeah, she shot JR.
Fun stuff, thanks for sharing! Were you a fan of Bob?
liked Gary's role in Adam12
Big time success can cost a person a lot.
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Mary Crosby was an actress who was famous as the one "who shot JR" on Dallas. Her mother was Katherine not Dixie.
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Bing was before my time .
One while watching White Christmas on TV, the reason hearing Bing sing the song leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Anyone but Bing..
I'm sure it's no picnic growing up with a parent who is a Hollywood star. Alcoholism runs in families.
These were horrible parents and traumatized their kids. They never got over it. Alcoholism like their parents, ending their lives, no real careers having to go into entertainment instead of university degrees to establish other careers. I hope Bing was still alive when the abuse was outed.
You mean the book which contained stories Gary couldnt remember writing because he was drinking heavily throughout this period. Verified by the coauthor when asked. The book was pieced together. Sad that Gary did that for apparently the $$$
Bing was kind and inquiring in person, according to my friend that drank with him once. Only a monster in private, apparently . Poor kids.
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What happened to Phillip?
Phillip Crosby died of a heart attack in 2004 at age 69.
I loved Bing! He has a great , smooth voice. Franky and Dino are great as well. I wonder why some kids need to be famous because their parent is? You might not have the talent your dad or mom have. If you don’t have their acting or sinning voice. You don’t have to be as good as them. Usually most people who have a famous parent. You can have a carrier as a singer or actor , when your dad has, but most won’t have the same fame.
I think that in order to understand it, you do have to waIk in their moccasins. Your view of it is extremeIy myopic. Many of them do have the same talent, and growing ups with fame, chaos, and abuse is something the average person can't possibly know.
@@Sukijopa that may be true. There are a good amount of people who are famous . They can get their talent. They go through the same thing their mom and dad do. They may not have the talent their parents do, and people ed pe t you to ,also . You have to live in their parents shadow. My favorite band is the Beatles. I’m old. 😝. Their kids all grew up bring famous musicians. Except Shawn. But Johns kid Julian. George’s son and Paul’s daughter,, and Ringos son and daughter all had their parents. They had good lives. Except Johns because of his young when he was taken by a crazy man. I was an adolescent when John was taken. My friend came out of his house and told us John was gone. We all cried . He was a great man. He had his flaws. But he wanted peace.
@@maestromike91971 Are those typos? A Iot is hard to comprehend in there. BeatIes is my favorite band, too. Heather, Mary, SteIIa, and Lee are not musicians, Sean is a famous musician. AII of Bing's and Dixie's sons couId sing and harmonize very weII, Their taIent was showcased on TV a few times. But the point is that Bing was very harsh and crueI to his first set of kids. Second wife Katherine, from what I've heard, didn't aIIow that with her kids, and by that time Bing was oIder and therefore probabIy melowed out a bit, too.
@@Sukijopa I don’t think Sean is a famous musician. Julian was horrible long time. He looks a lot like his dad, and sounded like it was well.. Paul’s kids were famous for other things. Such as Fashion I am family is authors. George’s son is a really good musician as well. I think Ringo has died and I don’t know if he has a son. George’s son looks a lot like him sounds like him as well. I have two bad John one was taken away from us way too young! And George was taking a little young little Paul his story making music was really incredible considering his age Ringo I think also plays at times. John and George were fighting for a while. Then John and Paul were . Ringo was trying to be the peace maker from what I can tell? He was on Paul’s and George’s music videos. He is now doing a Peace and Love tour. Paul is trying to sing about peace as well. I pray the. are both around for a while.
@@maestromike91971 Wow, you are way OFF, and it doesn't Iook Iike English is your first Ianguage.. First you say Ringo "has died", and then say he's doing the Peace and Love tour. You aIso say you don't know if he has a son. He has two sons, both drummers. . Sean is the most famous musician of the BeatIes kids, even more famous than Dani Harrison. Anyway, this particuIar video is about BING Crosby, so it's best if the comments stay on that topic.
Success in the world doesn't compensate for failure in the home.
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Bing Crosby's 3 sons born within 13 months? Same mother. June -1933, Jan-1934, July-1934? 13 months, fact check please.
What really was BING CRSBY'S CONFESSION about?
Failed at parenting.
What about BIG DADDY-OH "Bing Crosby utterly failed at "PAIR"RENTING at Hotels, Motels, and Guest Houses while traveling abroad?@@Mayorof37115
Such a shame
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Some of this Info. is off. How could they have 2 sons born 6 mos. apart? & the math of their birth-death age doesn't add up.
@@marym.338Bing Crosby had a total of 7 children. 4 sons from his first marriage and 2 sons and one daughter from the second marriage.
I forgot he was in that police show. Adam 12 I believe was the name of the show 😊 Gary I mean.
I've heard that Bing was an extremely mean father. To his oldest sons
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Bing Crosby sounds like a real nice guy what a real ass
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