@@Angry-Lynx Like a 2 lanes dirt road, with deep sand by places, lots of gravel, some rocks, big bumps, goats, sheep, horses, camels, bicycles, mopeds, walking people, trucks and so on, like in Morocco?
"Ever since I was a child, I dreamed of an AT XRV750. It was on my mind all these years. My friends would say it was just a piece of iron, that it was a very old motorcycle... Two years ago, I bought an AT from '93, as I turned 40, and it has been the best gift! Every day that I use it, the child inside me comes out! Thank you for your videos."
I have sold motorcycles for over 20 years and have tried to explain to buyers that horsepower is overrated in an adventure motorcycle. And you convey it so beautifully that everyone understands it. Class. Now we have to explain to the manufacturers why an adventure motorcycle doesn't need a TFT display for €1,500 and many other gimmicks
It might be overrated but your personal sweetspot really is individual. Adventure can be anything and heavily packed plus pillion with 60hp will get you around the world but you won't be overtaking cars on twisty roads. To me 75-95 hp is best. Enough for 2 on tarmac and not too big and heavy to have fun solo off-road.
Not often you have three stallions sitting there at once, so I did what I could in the timeframe. Glad I did it before giving the Beamer back. It really is a wild machine if you want it to be.
@@MotologyFilms would love your views on Aprilia's Capanord 1200 vs these 3 & the beemer1250.. for me.. the lightest 2cyl I can muster together.. love my tdm900 it's lighter than your xtr750.. love them too though.. old tech for old bums 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿💕nz
I always thought my F800GSA engine sounded broken, but after hearing that F900 up close like that, my engine doesn't sound so bad. Great video, thanks!
Now this is the bike comparison we’ve all been waiting for! So crazy how the old tech still stands the test of time. And it’s a testament to the riders skill as well. Like grand dad used to say. It’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Let’s keep this going!! Get your hands on a KTM 890, or a Kove 800 or any bike from 700-900 and post the numbers.
I have a standard T7, and I totally agree, it'll do pretty much everything, and it does it at a reasonable price, and it'll never break down, unlike an Orange bike. I'm always looking at other bikes, as the grass is always greener, but I know I'd regret it if I sold the T7.
@@jasonseigfried8941 Had to put 85 in when in the Pyrenees. I can confirm it works with no discernible difference in performance but you'll get a check engine light with the code o2 sensor 'stuck/lean'. Easily cleared with my £15 basic OBD2 reader. As said above amazing engine the CP2.
There are 2 content creators I genuinely look forward to watching… Itchy Boots and Adam Riemann. Why? No pretence, up front, interesting and excellent production value. [I will add in F9 for a fun twist on moto content]. Keep doing what you’re doing, when you want to do it Adam…. we’ll keep lapping it up. I truly hope you’re able to make a living from this channel. 👍🏼 Thanks mate!
the only thing i would like about Itchy's clips, would be if she'd insert cost details. I would like a little more transparency about the financial part of everything. The rest is evidently spot on. :)
She's HIGHLY editing herself.. keeps it simple and light with too much click bait. I too wish to see more real $. From what I have found, she's got loads of cash, and ALMOST 30k a month just from YT? Thats a rumor anyways.
You have single-handedly increased the prices of the XRV760Vs by at least 30%, I've been looking for one after watching your videos and they are honestly dangerously close low the milage 2017 Africa Twin 1000
Genuinely amazing how you've got the whole world cheering for that Africa Twin like it's the main hero from a novel.. For those who've seen the warhorse saga this machine has so much history and depth it's not even a review of these motorcycles.. We're just cheering for the Warhorse!!! Well done Adam.
@@nghonleong The overall best performer is the Tenere yes, the Warhorse is the Honda on the far left. If you haven't seen the Warhorse saga videos I suggest you check them out mate they are some of the best motorcycle cinematography RUclips has to offer
There is a recent video by an Aussie young guy of the T7. All he did was winge and bitch about the t7 as it had no rider aids! He didn't even know you to downshift correctly without a quicksilver doing the work!
Best most honest review ever. I bought a CRF300L to learn to ride on the dirt 3 years ago as my first bike north of 50 yrs old and one year later bought the T7. The T7 just keeps bringing smiles.
I test rode the 850gs thinking about buying an f900gs and hated the sound. I loved the sound of the Tuareg and bought one of those and hope it will last like the BMW might
Very well said Adam. Sadly many people are cheering on companies like KTM and BMW to push HP numbers higher and higher, whilst at the same time demanding lower weight, not very well realizing that it goes at the cost of reliability. For example, KTM pushed the 1290 super adventure R to make a whopping 160hp out of a 1300CC block, and the BMW 1300GS is having 145hp with the same displacement. This comes at the cost of respective compression ratios of 13.1:1 and 13.3:1. People don't realize how crazy high that is, that is more than an R1M superbike (13.0:1). Meanwhile the much more modest africa twin and T7 stay at respectable 10.1 and 11.5:1. And as you have shown, HP numbers mean nothing offroad. Although you do need 'enough', and weight does matter. So higher compression can lead to a smaller engine displacement for the same power, and thus less weight for the same power output. That can translate into an effective advantage offroad. Another thing about the compression ratios, it also limits the type of fuel you can put in! Putting dirty fuel into a high compression bike risks detonation. Generally you need higher octane fuels, as they are more stable (under the higher temps and pressures), so avoid pre-det. Not much of an adventure bike if you are limit to high quality, high octane fuel imho.
Did the IDBDR last year and two of the fuel stops didn’t have high octane fuel. I’m riding a t7 and was glad I did. Feel bad for all those high compression monsters when you are hundreds of miles from a fuel station that offers higher octane.
Yes spot on, low octane fuel in a high compression ratio engine makes them sound like a bucket of rusty bolts....even my WR250 did not like 91 octane as the check engine light would come on at highway speed. My mate has a 1290 and would destroy a rear tyre on a weekend ride..
Horses for courses. The Yam T7 is nowhere near powerful enough for me, as a mainly road rider. The KTM 890 serves as a great off-road, rough road and fast road bike. There's nothing else that comes close. I've covered 35k km in two years without a problem. I realise that this is no proof of reliability, but I'm prepared to take the risk, as I'm a true adventurer, so relish obstacles to overcome. My 2004 950 Adventure is a fine, exciting and reliable bike with over 225k kms on it. It has not been 100% reliable, but has never left me stranded.
@@dashuntas.m4045 It's allowed! We're all here at Reiman's page because he's the only person on the internet making sense when it comes to ADV-type bikes and riding. Also, if we could ride like him, we might pick up a T7 World Raid too, but not me brother!
I’m currently looking at twin cylinder adv bikes, & it’s a tough decision. Lots of pretty cool options. Appreciate how you present the info, this helps in a big way. Thanks! 🤘
So happy to hear someone talking sense. I used to own a xrv750 and now a T7+xl600v. Most adventure bikes are to big, flashy and fancy for adventuring. You dont need much besides reliability and your own skills.
Most large adventure bikes are driven 90% on the road. They rarely carry an expeditions quantity of gear and the local servo is only a few minutes away. These bikes are being dumped on the used market when their owners discover their inadequacies when taken on unmade toads and single lane tracks in remoter areas. A Durch 700T rider from the Netherlands nearly died last year trying to cross the Ann Beadell. He had plenty of fuel, but not enough water because the cooling system failed. Then he shredded his rear tyre and had no spare. He was quoted $12,000 for the retrieval. Were it not for an EPIRB and a generous effort from the local indigenous community, he was done for. 1. Fuel consumption. You need a 600km range and probably at least 94 RON grade fuel. These big bikes have the fuel consumption of a small car. 2. Carrying more fuel than your mate riding a 250, makes your adventure a big drama. 3. A big bike costs big money in maintenance. 4. A small bike can be picked up when you fall over. A big bike has to be unpacked to do so on your own. 5. A small bike can carry 70% of the gear of a big bike, and as Mongrel Dog will attest, your average speed is less than 80kph n the dirt. 6. A smaller bike with a third of the power will have less than half the tire wear of a big bike and get fewer punctures. So next time you plan an adventure bike purchase, consider all these factors.
You got to be so fricking consistent to have this kind of times on each pass. Meaning you are a pretty awesome rider and that validates your opinion even mire. Keep it up
You are so right. I sold my old xl700v TA and bought a new Norden last year. It was loads of fun, but after four months and 3.5k I sold it. It was quick and loads of fun, but I just didn't trust it to last. Like a lot of modern, high-compression, tech-heavy bikes It felt too highly strung, too complex, and I knew if it failed on me in the middle of the boonies i'd be screwed. I miss my TA. It wasn't powerful, or particularly good to look at, but it was simple, honest, I knew it very well, it took me everywhere, and in 5 years never once failed me - not even a flat tyre ! I miss that bike.
What a humble and honest video for someone capable of riding like you ride. Most videos are 100% marketing oriented and bias toward the sponsors. You might not have earn a new sponsorship today, but at least you got a new follower now. Not that you need more, but I’ll my appreciation for your work and your talent this way. Thank you for sharing this content with the riding community!!
The damn valves are so close to the pistons due to the sky high compression, they had to open the valve lash so much to prevent the crash LOL! Yep noisy little bastard isn’t it. Gotta love running on the edge of detonation all the time, and run high test gasoline to keep it somewhat happy. What was BMW thinking?
@@bwlyon Power at all costs to compensate for emissions choking the engine. Imagine if a manufacturer stayed middle of the road like the Yamaha or went backwards to the Honda to put out a long lasting bike. I think a long term weapon like that would sell like hotcakes.
I remember racing cars back in the 80's-90's 11:1 compression and we needed to get our fuel from the airport. The fuel of the day just didn't cut it. So much has changed that has allowed factory standard performance to come so far, computers, fuels, oils... Great visual tack dyno video, keep it up champ 👍
I have a few comments to make: 1. The horse sounds the best. 2. You're not limited by power but by the amount of grip, so the results of the test were predictable. It appears that the Beemer was at disadvantage since you turned off the TC, but the Yamaha was in off-road mode. I'd like to see a new round of tests with the same tires on each bike and with every bit of available tech enabled so the bike can perform at its best. If TC is available and programmed for off-road then it should be used. 3. More compression doesn't necessarily mean more wear. If one combustion even produces more power on the BMW than the other two engines, you'll need fewer revolutions of the engine to achieve the same result. At what rpm does each bike run at constant speed, 100km/h in top gear? Also the technology has improved a lot. We have better alloys, tighter tolerances between moving parts, cleaner combustion with less carbon deposits. So it's not only one factor that dictates the reliability. Personally, I'd be more worried about the electronics getting old, brittle soldering on components, components like capacitors drying up on time... and then the modules will be very expensive, or unobtanium because no longer produced. I think it's simplicity that keeps older bike on the road for longer, not greater reliability. Anyway, with things like LEZ and ULEZ zones (in the communist EU at least) where older vehicles are not permitted, many would be forced to rethink their bike ownership strategy.
@@Hammarlund_Moto Indeed. I listened again and Adam said ABS in off-road mode. I only heard off-road mode the first time and I didn't think about the T7 not being throttle by wire. That doesn't really change my initial comment though.
Your nostalgic love for the old warhorse really shows what it's all about. The specs really don't matter, it's all about picking the bike that puts the biggest smile on your face. That XRV750 is a beauty, so tempted now to buy a second hand, well loved AT.
I'm glad that I hane a XRV750 in my garage after seeing this. Got my XRV when i got my license when i was 25, it was my dreambike and still is. But unfortunately it need some work too get it back on the streets.
Yup, thats why i own a T7WR. Started with motocross/enduro racing 20+ years ago, went through my "sports bike" phase (early life crisis), went back to enduro bikes but this time around with license plates and long travel abilities (Transalp 650), and after riding, testing, owning, renting and even developing some motorcycles (ex-test driver and r&d engineer here), i went with the T7WR. 20+ years experience, 50+ bikes owned, probably more than 1k bikes ridden, and the T7 Is the most well rounded bike ive ever owned and ridden in my life (and thats coming from a huge honda fan). I love it, will hopefully never have to sell it and yes, if i had the money, i would buy a second one. Why? No reason whatsoever, just so much crazy stupid love for this bike that i would buy a second one for no better reason...cant recommend it enough. Thanks Yamaha for making the "new age" africa twin750/transalp that honda refuses to make. With me you just gained a new very loyal customer
Haha I’m afraid I skipped my sport bike phase and jumped right into dual sport/adv riding. I do like the neo-retro bikes for pavement riding but I’m looking to pick up a 600 SuperSport for some Track Indulgence
@@kajsjoqvist5274 i wouldnt say its necessarily better, but different. The key differences are that the WR has arguably better KYB suspension and more travel, steering stabilizer from Ohlins, a 23L tank that also sits quite a bit lower on the frame, better wider footpegs, more ground clearance and a seat that allows for better back-forth movement when offroading. Now, it also costs considerably more, its not a cheap bike. Personally i would say: go WR if you intend to keep the bike mainly stock and/or save your money and go for the regular version if you intend on modding the crap out of it. Because WR plus a lot of modding will get very expensive very quickly. But obviously if you have the cash for a heavily modded WR, then knock yourself out in pure happiness
I'm currently riding a Tracer (daliy & twisties), and a 990 adventure for my safaris. I've been looking at the T7, and your comment just cements the direction I've been looking in.😊 Ride swift. Ride safe.
I just bought a 750gs, which tought me 2 incredibly important lessons: 1.define what you will actually do with the bike instead of drooling over advertisments and reviews 2. don't dwell on spec sheets, test-ride the bikes that kinda look like a good fit and you'll know within a few minutes when you find the one that clicks.
3 years, 20,000 miles and next to zero maintenance on my 2008 klr650. She runs like a freakin champ, and I’m never sellin’er! Also, as a trained mechanic: I love that you mentioned Nikasil coatings.
I have an 2002 LC4, 2010 990SMR and recently bought a 2021 1290 SAS. I really thought the 1290 is broken because it sounds a bit like my lc4. Btw , neither of them have broken down, not even once 😂
The Honda XRV750 Africa Twin can still hold its own. Mine is 27 years old, I've owned it for the last 13 years and it has done 35,000 miles. It is still one of the best bikes I have ever ridden.
27 years and only 35k miles! 56k km. Just over 2000 km per annum. I've done over 225k kms on my KTM 950 Adventure in 20 years. It's so much fun I can't stay off it!
Just picked up a T7 after watching your videos and others like it and I couldn’t be more excited to go exploring the wooded areas around me. I just wish the World Raid version was sold in the US if for nothing else but the extended range from factory. Standard will undoubtedly be more than enough for me as it is though.
Did the whole IDBDR and never once had range anxiety on the t7. Only thing I’d get a WR version for is the bigger tank and suspension and that can be remedied with an acerbis tank and aftermarket suspension... both of which are superior in the aftermarket.
Why do watch Adam's videos? To be informed . Yes we get entertained as well. Love that. But this video goes all out on informing us. Truly appreciate these videos.
The best available all con do bike for a smaller rider is a different one… Just sold mine with 63000 km for a decent price, no issues at all, it was my second of that type, i got my third v strom 650 6 weeks ago and have done the ACT croatia with it alteady, best reliable bike for smaller riders!
the smile on your face Adam everytime you start the warhorse is just priceless and so enjoyable! So yeap! The 30y.o africa twin is the living proof of the obvious! Thanx for the video
I’ve got an 890r and have 2 sets of wheels. Motoz RalZ mounted on Exel rims and Avons mounted on the OEM rims. 2 bikes in one. Excellent dirt bike and excellent road bike which can stay with the sports tourers. What more can a person want
Right on! The marketing of ADV bike is so full of "more is better" and you have shown that's not the case. I'm amazed that the industry thinks we need/want over 100+ horsepower to ride off road. Well done Adam.
Yes but the entire point of "Adventure" is that they are used on the road too... Where the power is VERY important... There is a reason why bikes like the DesertX and 890 Adventure reduce power output to about 70hp in their basic off-road modes paired with a much gentler throttle response. I just don't see the downside of the BMW at all, why not have the more power if it doesn't make the bike heavier or harder to control...
I think the industry gives you more HP for those freeway/highway rides that we take on the way to the trails. A lot of people also use their adventure bikes as sport touring machines. The BMW 1250 GS is absolutely amazing for traveling long distances and is very capable off road. It's not meant to do very aggressive offroading but I would consider it a solid adventure bike. But if I'm going to be doing mainly trails, I'd take my T7 any day of the week. And if I have to pick only one bike, I'd pick the T7WR over anything else because it's the most well-rounded bike I know of.
@@ElectronNinja ???? whatever do you mean? Middleweights existed since the dawn of time, proved in this video... Large ADVs have also always been a thing, they're just better than ever. That 250kg GS is easier to throw into a bend than a 90s sport bike...
@@AntaresSQ01 In the US market we've been lucky to get something good now and then, unlike AU and EU which have always had tons of great options. Marketing has usually gone "if it's not a liter sportbike or a big cruiser, Americans don't want it" lol. For us westerners, usually it's been some kind of Africa Twin, the KLR, and then the BMW middleweight if you wanted something dirt oriented. Hell Yamaha teased us with the smaller Tenere for yeaaaaaaars before finally giving us one. Now the market has exploded!
Excellent summary of what outright HP equates to in the real world Adam...Stress, Stress and more Stress on every working part; From engine internals to final drive, everything is under more stress; The F900 sounds like it is one misfire away from destruction; The T7 sounds less stressed but I suspect that is only because of the balance shaft...neither of these two engines will like being fed any low octane fuel which is something any outback traveller might want to consider; Then we have the old Honda that still produces more outright HP than most will ever need or use off-road, it keeps up easily (on dirt) with the two highly strung thoroughbreds but sounds like an electrical armature motor...and it will live with low octane fuel without fuss; In many ways, so-called 'adventure' bikes have gone backwards; Taller; Heavier; Highly Strung; Complicated Electronics...and no way of knowing what needs to be fixed without specialist diagnostic tools should the bike break down in the middle of nowhere... or 5 k's from home; a cheap sensor or plug could cost many hundreds, if not thousands by the time the bike gets to a dealer; Give us back 'old school' bikes please Mr Motorcycle Manufacturer...you will sell them like bacon and egg sandwiches at smoko time.
Some considerations: 1) that beemer is a new bike and that engine already sounds like a sewing machine, TAC TAC TAC TAC 2) standard T 7 would be faster, its lighter , the suspension is pretty much the same. Also, you went wide on that one. 3) África Twin, amazing result.
The best part about these bike overviews, is just the simple, down to earth, no BS style of showing what the bikes are capable of, and highlighting to core reliabiltiy aspects of what you need to know for your choice of riding.
Hey Adam, I strongly agree with your opinion on the hole spec sheet battle topic. I'm really curious what you think about the old japanese single zylinders from the 80s and 90s like DRs XRs,KLRs and Ténéres? It also would be great to see you get down and dirty with one of these old Thumpers. Cheers and keep the great content coming.
Nice video, I love the way you slide. I would point out that a high compression ratio does not mean a bike is unreliable. The old BMW F800GS had a 12 to 1 compression ratio. Those engines could do massive distance as long as they had their regular servicing. Mine was well over 100,000 kms when I sold it. There is a guy on YT who got over 700, 000 kms on his. Compression Ratio is only a part of the reliability equation. Cylinder pressure wasnt mentioned. Valve timimg has a huge influence over cylinder pressure, and having fuel injection along with a computer means all that is managed so it can easilly run on pump gas. Honestly how many modern engines fail purely because of their compression ratio? To all those who are smiling because they have an old low compression bike, enjoy it, like I do with my old XR and TT, but dont kid yourself that low compression alone will make it live forever.
I really appreciate this video. We are all well aware there’s a lot of tech being put in new bike’s engines to make it “environmentally complient” and to make the markening numbers appealing to the “audience”, potential buyers who seek power, style to achieve adventure. The marketing works on showroom floor, but in the bush, not so much. Instead, manufaturers should pour some of the money to the suspension tech. There are the biggest differences. As a T7 rider I never missed more power and to he honest, probably never used the whole power it can deliver. Leave the power alone - suspension and weight. Make the bikes light again ❤
Middleweight should be centered around the middle; right between a regular 250 lb dirt bike, and the big 530lb BMW. That's 390 lb wet, or about 360 dry. I think the Kove 800x is actually the only 2 cyl bike that's a middleweight. My T7 is lovely, but somewhere around 450 lb ready to go. It's a heavyweight IMO. Manuel has a video where they say Pol's stripped down race bike is 178kg : 391 lb. And I think that's not fully fuelled, so I dunno if a T7 is ever going to get that light. But if Yamaha wants to make a T3 or T4... Well, I only need 40whp to get around.
@@colinbowman8816 interresting you mentioned Kove 800X as I had this bike on my proximity radar. It seems like the bike which would be missing. Looking forward on getting hands on it as soon as it arrives to Slovenia. Actually it might disrupt the market a bit. The same way T7 did. People accepted the high positioned weight of T7 as the market just didn’t have a comparable bike at the time. Some might argue that Kove 450 Rally covers the dualsport market. Just did a rally ride recently and guys riding it had good things to say. Middle adventure market will see some nice disruptions in the future.
@@the.pineapple I'll check one out as soon as i can too! Think it shares the KTM 790 engine, which hasn't been the most reliable thing... But maybe the cam wear issue will be fixed.
there's something about growing up and hearing ppl say " i actually don't need this or that" lol. From adrenaline to reliability and just cruising in life. I do miss your old 1190 vids
Adam, I love you! You’re so authentic and all you do is just pure life. When it comes to motorcycle content on YT, you’re definitely in a own world. Greetings from your biggest fan in Germany🍻 btw, what do you think of the Aprilia Tuareg 660? Could be a bike that suits you very well
The Warhorse is superior motorcycle in every possible way. Design, sound and soule. Mine has 30 years, starts on first try every time. Great motorcycle. Maybe, if I could afford more expensive one like the Tenere, I would speak differently, but right now, XTV750 is best I ever had.
Your laughter when it came to ride the warhorse talls how much you love that bike. Which I understand, I have a 1991 rd04 and absolutely adore that bike.
Yup, my T700 is fast on the dirt and is secure and satisfying over a 300km sprint. My 2012 WR250R is pretty much as fast on our eastern seaboard ranges here in Aus, is equally secure and unbelievably good to ride - arriving only minutes later after the same 300km.
I bought my KTM 890 ADV R, not for the power, but the weight and suspension. I've learned that's what makes an ADV bike fun for me. Honestly, after riding it for several years I've realized any ADV bike can be good as long as it's not grossly overweight. Buy something reasonably priced and throw all the money you can at suspension, and it will be awesome. Adam is spot on here.
Without a question brother, these are the best and most useful and informative videos within the space of all of this social media, and RUclips nonsense. Just wanted you to know how much value you were providing, as a T7 owner myself with over 25,000 miles in the bush on it, I couldn’t agree with you more looking forward to your next adventure.
I can't argue with you. Everything you've said, I agree with. But from my point of view, it's different. I chose the KTM 890AR because I'm mainly a road rider. When on the dirt, the 890 is as good as the T7 (maybe better for us with short legs), but I expect my bike to be a sports road bike as well. Get the 890 on to the twisty mountain roads (I'm in Europe, so we're talking the Alps, the Pyrenees and the Picos) and the 890 is simply unbeatable. The stonking mid-range and low CoG make it a winner. It's easier to ride than bigger bikes (KTM 1290 SAS for example) because they're more difficult to moderate. This means I only need one bike. Except for the reliability issues that come with all highly tuned engines (it doesn't matter who makes them: KTM, Honda, BMW, Aprilia etc.). I can handle the inconvenience of breakdowns. I have a 1988 Honda NX 650 Dominator as backup, which is similar in performance and durability to your horse.
It's awful! I NEED to know why the KTMs clatter like that...timing chain slap from the super aggressive cam profiles and spring pressures? Clutch plates rattling in the basket? Every KTM I've had sounds like it's about to fall apart, and the all make some scary looking shavings in the oil.none of them have stranded me...yet, but they don't leave me full off confidence, like the Japanese bikes do.
The more heat the engine generate because of the higher compression ratio, the bigger the tolerances needs to be to cater for the expansion of the metal. My 1290 generates a huge amount of piston slap early in the mornings when I start her up. By the time I hit the freeway the slap is almost gone.
For me this is another example of how 'it's not the bike, it's the rider,' and I did really appreciate the discussion on the end results of high horsepower and heat vs low hp and less heat! I never have liked the 'whirrr' sound in any motorcycle but it seems like it's here to stay in most 'modern' bikes! That beemer tho......they always sound like they are running on very low oil, ha! Cheers Adam!
La XRV 750 è sempre stata il mio sogno e qualche anno fa l'ho realizzato, moto semplicemente fantastica. Ho avuto anche 3 Transalp 600, con l'ultimo ho fatto 150k km e ancora gira perfettamente. Prova bellissima, grazie!
Yes, although I agree that horsepower is not so important in this specific situation, the tires can easily make for those differences. Moreover, driving 790 Adv R and 450 rally replica (probably one of the most powerful 450s) in the dunes I can tell you that sometimes I miss not having to shift down half way up a dune. The extra torque at low RPMs (which at my skill level is where I spend most of my life) makes life easier, and in general less fatiguing. Before the 790 I had the 800 GS and the jump in power and torque is so useful to fill in the gaps in technique for lofting the front wheel, or just making it up a steep hill in one gear higher and a less jumpy bike. I think the key message is that all of the can do it, find one that you like, and enjoy riding it.
Bought my 2017 Africa Twin new for USD $ 11,500. It’s been perfect: just add tires and gas. 94 horsepower and 505 pounds wet, it will run on regular gas and never gets hot. A more modern Warhorse. I like it so much that newer bikes don’t tempt me.
Another missing scenario here is also knowing your bike so well you really get the best out of them, I have a T7 Rally but really feel at home on my old TT600r, Great vids keep up the good work..
Great video, great conclusion. I've owned different bikes, including powerful ones like Triumph Tiger 800XCX with 95hp, however nowadays running my Africa Twin 1999 with 65hp I feel like Tom Cruise at Top Gun 2 when he goes to the old hangar and starts the engine of the Tomcat F14, old school never gets old. As there is no replacement for displacement, there is no replacement for the mighty queen XRV750 Africa Twin, what a bike.
Love the video , I have 1990 XRV750 DR04 and it is just a beast of a bike and we just clicled ,with few mods like 12V socket and couple touring accesorities it checks every box of a modern ADV BIKE but in realy mechanical and hands on package and in my point of view it is unbeatable for the price. And i am seeing myself riding it for years to come .
Boy I thought my air cooled Harley was noisy (it is a bit, lol) but that beemer was ridiculous. The exact same reason the Harley twins have held their popularity over the imports, torque. Load a bike with two people, loads of gear, and they still climb steep grades with power to spare, torque. Like Carrol Shelby always said, "horsepower sells cars, torque wins races". Great video.
Very good exercise. In fact I have tried something similar with a DR650 vs a Tiger 800 .Obviously no contest on tar, but over a short distance there isn't much in it . The DR also chugs up steep inclines better. the weight difference is obviously a major contributor.
What an awesome video. Very interesting results indeed. I had an F800GSA and now I have an XL700V Transalp with an aftermarket pipe and that V Twin motor sounds so good.
This channel has quickly become a favorite of mine. Adam knows what he talking about. I was on the fence between a new KLR650 and new T7 for almost a year. I have put in hours of research and pulled the trigger on a new T7. It doesn't mean its better then any other bike, but its what fit my needs the best. I have owned many bikes over the years with far to much horsepower, I also spent many years in the motocross scene. I am not pro at everything but also not a rookie in the motorcycle world. Adam does a great job of explaining differences between machines and why it may or may not be what you are looking for.
Never, EVER did I think I would choose a "Rhino". However, I am 3 years in with a BMW R1250 GSA and have ridden the Rallye versions at Off Road Skills courses and adventure rides, and I have to agree it can take you pretty well everywhere. There is no getting away from the weight of the Rhino, even with light luggage, but the bike is truly capable if you are up for the challenge. Great video Adam.
Same old argument, same old answers. I remember Tony Kirby putting that debate on the table in Sidetrack magazine. In the bush less is more when it comes to hp and weight. Suspension and tyres however, is another matter. Thanks for the reminder Adam, old school is cool.
Hey Adam. I'm only new here, but already I love your stuff mate. I've owned a 1250 GSA for the past 50,000kms and I agree, these are unique motorcycles from the perspective of doing everything, and they're an absolute blast to ride, especially off-road. I would like a lighter machine though, especially for sand and mud. I'm nearly 68 and only weigh 70kgs so find picking the 1250 challenging. I can do it, but it knocks me around and the risk of injury is always there. So I'm thinking of adding a stable mate to the Rhino. I was sold on a 2023 Norden 901 Explorer until I saw this video, now I'm not so sure. I'm not mechanical, so need reliability. The old Honda is appealing, but you obviously have mechanical knowledge and skills I can only dream of. For some reason I can't explain I just can't get enthused about the Yamaha, so I guess I'll keep searching for the right fit. Thanks for you insights.
Im in need of a adventure moto in this stage of my life , cause a low budget i cant afford to spend 10k to buy a newer used one , and started to look for africas , then while i looked about opinions and videos to consider about it , i found your channel , i feel blesed allready ,ride safe mate
How honest and how awesome. You've really cleared up a lot of issues..cheers and thanks, Simon (gs 1100 bmer- 440000 kms and still running sweet. No engine work. )
I’ve had an Africa twin for 7 years now. Been thinking really hard about selling it off and picking up a Desert X. After this maybe I’ll reconsider. Thanks for the great video.
Thank God for Adam, I'm fed up of people talking all day about hp of adv bikes. Yet not a lot of people can use more than 70 hp on the dirt.
True story.
go on some two lanes road and overtake someone and its completely different story ;
yes power matters
@@Angry-Lynxwhat’s a two lane road?
@@Angry-Lynx Like a 2 lanes dirt road, with deep sand by places, lots of gravel, some rocks, big bumps, goats, sheep, horses, camels, bicycles, mopeds, walking people, trucks and so on, like in Morocco?
@@Angry-Lynx could you explain a bit further? Two lane dirt road?
"Ever since I was a child, I dreamed of an AT XRV750. It was on my mind all these years. My friends would say it was just a piece of iron, that it was a very old motorcycle... Two years ago, I bought an AT from '93, as I turned 40, and it has been the best gift! Every day that I use it, the child inside me comes out! Thank you for your videos."
I have sold motorcycles for over 20 years and have tried to explain to buyers that horsepower is overrated in an adventure motorcycle. And you convey it so beautifully that everyone understands it. Class.
Now we have to explain to the manufacturers why an adventure motorcycle doesn't need a TFT display for €1,500 and many other gimmicks
It might be overrated but your personal sweetspot really is individual. Adventure can be anything and heavily packed plus pillion with 60hp will get you around the world but you won't be overtaking cars on twisty roads.
To me 75-95 hp is best. Enough for 2 on tarmac and not too big and heavy to have fun solo off-road.
For me the only problem there is the price, a TFT should only run about $400 tops.
Yamaha underdtood ADV bikes. Light, nonelectronics, enough HP.
a Tenere is not a light bike. its fucking heavy no matter how much heavier other bikes might be
WE ARE talking about this segment.😂 Its thé lightest ADV bike in thé twin engines market. Nothing else. Il note talking about mono cylindre.
Not everyone out there would make a video like this one, thanks man
Not often you have three stallions sitting there at once, so I did what I could in the timeframe. Glad I did it before giving the Beamer back. It really is a wild machine if you want it to be.
Yea most people know better, what waste of time.
@@rickbecker683 it's what ever bike gives you that smile.. after a 100ks off road or a 1000ks on road.. the tdm900 works for me for both
@@MotologyFilms would love your views on Aprilia's Capanord 1200 vs these 3 & the beemer1250.. for me.. the lightest 2cyl I can muster together.. love my tdm900 it's lighter than your xtr750.. love them too though.. old tech for old bums 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿💕nz
Permanently unimpressed by a lot of bs comes to mind.
Thanks for the comparison.
I always thought my F800GSA engine sounded broken, but after hearing that F900 up close like that, my engine doesn't sound so bad. Great video, thanks!
Now this is the bike comparison we’ve all been waiting for! So crazy how the old tech still stands the test of time. And it’s a testament to the riders skill as well. Like grand dad used to say. It’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Let’s keep this going!! Get your hands on a KTM 890, or a Kove 800 or any bike from 700-900 and post the numbers.
Take a 990 adv that was created for that job!
Was'nt it obvious for peoples with brains? He made a great job prooving it for the 257908521 time.
I have a standard T7, and I totally agree, it'll do pretty much everything, and it does it at a reasonable price, and it'll never break down, unlike an Orange bike. I'm always looking at other bikes, as the grass is always greener, but I know I'd regret it if I sold the T7.
yamaha cp2 is such a masterpiece of engine, i was about to get a tracer 7
Yep when your Orange Lemon has been in the shop 6 months you lose all support for the brand, never again
But can I run 85 octane in it like my klr650?
@@jasonseigfried8941 Had to put 85 in when in the Pyrenees. I can confirm it works with no discernible difference in performance but you'll get a check engine light with the code o2 sensor 'stuck/lean'. Easily cleared with my £15 basic OBD2 reader. As said above amazing engine the CP2.
There are 2 content creators I genuinely look forward to watching… Itchy Boots and Adam Riemann. Why? No pretence, up front, interesting and excellent production value. [I will add in F9 for a fun twist on moto content]. Keep doing what you’re doing, when you want to do it Adam…. we’ll keep lapping it up. I truly hope you’re able to make a living from this channel. 👍🏼 Thanks mate!
…and coincidentally in Itchy’s latest episode she jumps on a AT of similar vintage to Adam’s
i also following those two
the only thing i would like about Itchy's clips, would be if she'd insert cost details. I would like a little more transparency about the financial part of everything. The rest is evidently spot on. :)
She's HIGHLY editing herself.. keeps it simple and light with too much click bait. I too wish to see more real $. From what I have found, she's got loads of cash, and ALMOST 30k a month just from YT? Thats a rumor anyways.
You have single-handedly increased the prices of the XRV760Vs by at least 30%, I've been looking for one after watching your videos and they are honestly dangerously close low the milage 2017 Africa Twin 1000
🤣😂
Paul's probably right. Now we're looking at a 30% markup on any sorta horse.
Benchmarks have that problem...
At least 30% - 50%
Genuinely amazing how you've got the whole world cheering for that Africa Twin like it's the main hero from a novel..
For those who've seen the warhorse saga this machine has so much history and depth it's not even a review of these motorcycles..
We're just cheering for the Warhorse!!!
Well done Adam.
I was so proud of the Horse when I saw the times... she can still ride like the wind.
Africa Twin? It's Yamaha, not a Honda or am I missing something?
@@nghonleong The overall best performer is the Tenere yes, the Warhorse is the Honda on the far left. If you haven't seen the Warhorse saga videos I suggest you check them out mate they are some of the best motorcycle cinematography RUclips has to offer
Exactly this .....Ya don't need the latest spec bike , ya need the connection and the skills.
There is a recent video by an Aussie young guy of the T7. All he did was winge and bitch about the t7 as it had no rider aids! He didn't even know you to downshift correctly without a quicksilver doing the work!
Best most honest review ever. I bought a CRF300L to learn to ride on the dirt 3 years ago as my first bike north of 50 yrs old and one year later bought the T7. The T7 just keeps bringing smiles.
I'll keep my 300L at age 60. Nobody has ever said... I wish I had a big top heavier bike...
Hah, I'm currently awaiting my 390 Adventure. Want to (re)learn how to ride offroad for a while, before upgrading.. if I ever upgrade.
that cp2 engine is a gem
Are you saying that to be faster, I simply need to put Adam on my bike ?
😁
Bimmer sounds like a paint shaker
Ive a 750gs and it sounds similar. Disappointing sound to say the least
I test rode the 850gs thinking about buying an f900gs and hated the sound. I loved the sound of the Tuareg and bought one of those and hope it will last like the BMW might
Yes, power is no matter, sound is matter 😂 nice approach..
Thought the same! Sounds like my ol' KLR 650...can of marbles
it's made in China by zongshen which are normally ok.
Very well said Adam. Sadly many people are cheering on companies like KTM and BMW to push HP numbers higher and higher, whilst at the same time demanding lower weight, not very well realizing that it goes at the cost of reliability.
For example, KTM pushed the 1290 super adventure R to make a whopping 160hp out of a 1300CC block, and the BMW 1300GS is having 145hp with the same displacement. This comes at the cost of respective compression ratios of 13.1:1 and 13.3:1. People don't realize how crazy high that is, that is more than an R1M superbike (13.0:1).
Meanwhile the much more modest africa twin and T7 stay at respectable 10.1 and 11.5:1.
And as you have shown, HP numbers mean nothing offroad. Although you do need 'enough', and weight does matter. So higher compression can lead to a smaller engine displacement for the same power, and thus less weight for the same power output. That can translate into an effective advantage offroad.
Another thing about the compression ratios, it also limits the type of fuel you can put in! Putting dirty fuel into a high compression bike risks detonation. Generally you need higher octane fuels, as they are more stable (under the higher temps and pressures), so avoid pre-det. Not much of an adventure bike if you are limit to high quality, high octane fuel imho.
The 1290 in the Adventure is de-tuned and very reliable, same engine in the superduke is 185hp and even still it's bullet proof.
Did the IDBDR last year and two of the fuel stops didn’t have high octane fuel. I’m riding a t7 and was glad I did. Feel bad for all those high compression monsters when you are hundreds of miles from a fuel station that offers higher octane.
Yes spot on, low octane fuel in a high compression ratio engine makes them sound like a bucket of rusty bolts....even my WR250 did not like 91 octane as the check engine light would come on at highway speed. My mate has a 1290 and would destroy a rear tyre on a weekend ride..
Although the 890 has a knock sensor and retards the engine of it has to run on low octane fuel. The Beemer probably has the same capability.
Horses for courses. The Yam T7 is nowhere near powerful enough for me, as a mainly road rider. The KTM 890 serves as a great off-road, rough road and fast road bike. There's nothing else that comes close. I've covered 35k km in two years without a problem. I realise that this is no proof of reliability, but I'm prepared to take the risk, as I'm a true adventurer, so relish obstacles to overcome. My 2004 950 Adventure is a fine, exciting and reliable bike with over 225k kms on it. It has not been 100% reliable, but has never left me stranded.
You can pry my old XR650R out of my cold dead hands!
I second that.
Amen
I would love one
Same for me, but with my DR650
@@dashuntas.m4045 It's allowed! We're all here at Reiman's page because he's the only person on the internet making sense when it comes to ADV-type bikes and riding. Also, if we could ride like him, we might pick up a T7 World Raid too, but not me brother!
I’m currently looking at twin cylinder adv bikes, & it’s a tough decision. Lots of pretty cool options. Appreciate how you present the info, this helps in a big way. Thanks! 🤘
I loved my ktm 1090r
Thanks for the support champ.
So happy to hear someone talking sense. I used to own a xrv750 and now a T7+xl600v. Most adventure bikes are to big, flashy and fancy for adventuring. You dont need much besides reliability and your own skills.
I love the sound of the Honda, especially in idle speed
and a V TWIN !!!
V twin sound ❤ Because my Transalp 1987 sounds the same as Africa twin. ❤
Most large adventure bikes are driven 90% on the road. They rarely carry an expeditions quantity of gear and the local servo is only a few minutes away. These bikes are being dumped on the used market when their owners discover their inadequacies when taken on unmade toads and single lane tracks in remoter areas. A Durch 700T rider from the Netherlands nearly died last year trying to cross the Ann Beadell. He had plenty of fuel, but not enough water because the cooling system failed. Then he shredded his rear tyre and had no spare. He was quoted $12,000 for the retrieval. Were it not for an EPIRB and a generous effort from the local indigenous community, he was done for.
1. Fuel consumption. You need a 600km range and probably at least 94 RON grade fuel. These big bikes have the fuel consumption of a small car.
2. Carrying more fuel than your mate riding a 250, makes your adventure a big drama.
3. A big bike costs big money in maintenance.
4. A small bike can be picked up when you fall over. A big bike has to be unpacked to do so on your own.
5. A small bike can carry 70% of the gear of a big bike, and as Mongrel Dog will attest, your average speed is less than 80kph n the dirt.
6. A smaller bike with a third of the power will have less than half the tire wear of a big bike and get fewer punctures.
So next time you plan an adventure bike purchase, consider all these factors.
Well said mate. I got friends on bmw gs which only ridden on highways.. 😂
You got to be so fricking consistent to have this kind of times on each pass. Meaning you are a pretty awesome rider and that validates your opinion even mire. Keep it up
You are so right.
I sold my old xl700v TA and bought a new Norden last year. It was loads of fun, but after four months and 3.5k I sold it. It was quick and loads of fun, but I just didn't trust it to last. Like a lot of modern, high-compression, tech-heavy bikes It felt too highly strung, too complex, and I knew if it failed on me in the middle of the boonies i'd be screwed.
I miss my TA. It wasn't powerful, or particularly good to look at, but it was simple, honest, I knew it very well, it took me everywhere, and in 5 years never once failed me - not even a flat tyre !
I miss that bike.
Yes mate! Always a great day when you release a new video!
What a humble and honest video for someone capable of riding like you ride. Most videos are 100% marketing oriented and bias toward the sponsors. You might not have earn a new sponsorship today, but at least you got a new follower now. Not that you need more, but I’ll my appreciation for your work and your talent this way. Thank you for sharing this content with the riding community!!
Torque does all the work, horsepower takes all the credit 😅
There's only so much traction on the dirt, everything has limits
That’s a cool phrase 🤘
That would make a great sticker for a big bore twin
nope power do all work torq is 💩😎👌🏻
ya but its not a tractor trailer
The War Horse sounds sweet, the BMW sounds like gravel in there flying around. T7 is somewhere in between.
I have a BMW and it actually sounds more like someone has thrown some nuts and bolts into the crankshaft.
Well said, Adam. Your down-to-earth, no b.s. style works for me. You're the reluctant RUclipsr.
The GS sounds like someone is using it as a rock crusher. I'd be checking it every 5 minutes thinking I blew it up.
Lol, yeah, sounds like a tin full of hammers.
The damn valves are so close to the pistons due to the sky high compression, they had to open the valve lash so much to prevent the crash LOL! Yep noisy little bastard isn’t it. Gotta love running on the edge of detonation all the time, and run high test gasoline to keep it somewhat happy. What was BMW thinking?
@@bwlyon Power at all costs to compensate for emissions choking the engine. Imagine if a manufacturer stayed middle of the road like the Yamaha or went backwards to the Honda to put out a long lasting bike. I think a long term weapon like that would sell like hotcakes.
DR650. With a little sweetening, it meets my wimpy forest and back road riding perfectly.
@@tommeyer6033 Easy on the pocketbook too, compared to a Bimmer.
I remember racing cars back in the 80's-90's 11:1 compression and we needed to get our fuel from the airport.
The fuel of the day just didn't cut it.
So much has changed that has allowed factory standard performance to come so far, computers, fuels, oils...
Great visual tack dyno video, keep it up champ 👍
Thank you for this. I find myself getting lost in the spec sheets and never being able to make up my mind. This vid helps a lot.
Adam, I love your authenticity!!! Humanity needs more people like you!!!
I have a few comments to make:
1. The horse sounds the best.
2. You're not limited by power but by the amount of grip, so the results of the test were predictable. It appears that the Beemer was at disadvantage since you turned off the TC, but the Yamaha was in off-road mode. I'd like to see a new round of tests with the same tires on each bike and with every bit of available tech enabled so the bike can perform at its best. If TC is available and programmed for off-road then it should be used.
3. More compression doesn't necessarily mean more wear. If one combustion even produces more power on the BMW than the other two engines, you'll need fewer revolutions of the engine to achieve the same result. At what rpm does each bike run at constant speed, 100km/h in top gear? Also the technology has improved a lot. We have better alloys, tighter tolerances between moving parts, cleaner combustion with less carbon deposits. So it's not only one factor that dictates the reliability. Personally, I'd be more worried about the electronics getting old, brittle soldering on components, components like capacitors drying up on time... and then the modules will be very expensive, or unobtanium because no longer produced. I think it's simplicity that keeps older bike on the road for longer, not greater reliability. Anyway, with things like LEZ and ULEZ zones (in the communist EU at least) where older vehicles are not permitted, many would be forced to rethink their bike ownership strategy.
T7 doesnt have tc
the T7's Off Road mode is for its ABS.
@@Hammarlund_Moto Indeed. I listened again and Adam said ABS in off-road mode. I only heard off-road mode the first time and I didn't think about the T7 not being throttle by wire. That doesn't really change my initial comment though.
I lost interest at I have a few comments to make
@@ultimatepu5h It's okay, your interest is not really needed. I gain nothing from it.
Your nostalgic love for the old warhorse really shows what it's all about. The specs really don't matter, it's all about picking the bike that puts the biggest smile on your face. That XRV750 is a beauty, so tempted now to buy a second hand, well loved AT.
My old GS800 has done over 100000kms with no problems . 12.0 compression ratio
Those Loncin BMW 900 motors sound like there's a bag of bolts rattling around in the sump.
One reason I've never liked KTM's, sound like the factory forgot to tighten the big end bolts.
I'm glad that I hane a XRV750 in my garage after seeing this. Got my XRV when i got my license when i was 25, it was my dreambike and still is. But unfortunately it need some work too get it back on the streets.
Yup, thats why i own a T7WR. Started with motocross/enduro racing 20+ years ago, went through my "sports bike" phase (early life crisis), went back to enduro bikes but this time around with license plates and long travel abilities (Transalp 650), and after riding, testing, owning, renting and even developing some motorcycles (ex-test driver and r&d engineer here), i went with the T7WR. 20+ years experience, 50+ bikes owned, probably more than 1k bikes ridden, and the T7 Is the most well rounded bike ive ever owned and ridden in my life (and thats coming from a huge honda fan). I love it, will hopefully never have to sell it and yes, if i had the money, i would buy a second one. Why? No reason whatsoever, just so much crazy stupid love for this bike that i would buy a second one for no better reason...cant recommend it enough. Thanks Yamaha for making the "new age" africa twin750/transalp that honda refuses to make. With me you just gained a new very loyal customer
Haha I’m afraid I skipped my sport bike phase and jumped right into dual sport/adv riding. I do like the neo-retro bikes for pavement riding but I’m looking to pick up a 600 SuperSport for some Track Indulgence
@@dashuntas.m4045 for track riding i would say go for it, but for street riding i would say that you are not really missing on anything..
What makes the world raid better than the standard or rally version?
@@kajsjoqvist5274 i wouldnt say its necessarily better, but different. The key differences are that the WR has arguably better KYB suspension and more travel, steering stabilizer from Ohlins, a 23L tank that also sits quite a bit lower on the frame, better wider footpegs, more ground clearance and a seat that allows for better back-forth movement when offroading. Now, it also costs considerably more, its not a cheap bike. Personally i would say: go WR if you intend to keep the bike mainly stock and/or save your money and go for the regular version if you intend on modding the crap out of it. Because WR plus a lot of modding will get very expensive very quickly. But obviously if you have the cash for a heavily modded WR, then knock yourself out in pure happiness
I'm currently riding a Tracer (daliy & twisties), and a 990 adventure for my safaris.
I've been looking at the T7, and your comment just cements the direction I've been looking in.😊
Ride swift. Ride safe.
I just bought a 750gs, which tought me 2 incredibly important lessons: 1.define what you will actually do with the bike instead of drooling over advertisments and reviews 2. don't dwell on spec sheets, test-ride the bikes that kinda look like a good fit and you'll know within a few minutes when you find the one that clicks.
Best dang vid made about bikes going on in the dirt. Watching from Senegal 🇸🇳
3 years, 20,000 miles and next to zero maintenance on my 2008 klr650.
She runs like a freakin champ, and I’m never sellin’er!
Also, as a trained mechanic: I love that you mentioned Nikasil coatings.
Long live the KLR! on my second year with my 07, did 10k miles last year and plan on doing at least that this year
The BMW makes my LC4 sound like a purring kitten
Long live the LC4!
Yep, and that's not an easy task!
I have an 2002 LC4, 2010 990SMR and recently bought a 2021 1290 SAS. I really thought the 1290 is broken because it sounds a bit like my lc4. Btw , neither of them have broken down, not even once 😂
The Honda XRV750 Africa Twin can still hold its own. Mine is 27 years old, I've owned it for the last 13 years and it has done 35,000 miles. It is still one of the best bikes I have ever ridden.
27 years and only 35k miles! 56k km. Just over 2000 km per annum. I've done over 225k kms on my KTM 950 Adventure in 20 years. It's so much fun I can't stay off it!
Just picked up a T7 after watching your videos and others like it and I couldn’t be more excited to go exploring the wooded areas around me. I just wish the World Raid version was sold in the US if for nothing else but the extended range from factory. Standard will undoubtedly be more than enough for me as it is though.
Did the whole IDBDR and never once had range anxiety on the t7. Only thing I’d get a WR version for is the bigger tank and suspension and that can be remedied with an acerbis tank and aftermarket suspension... both of which are superior in the aftermarket.
enjoy mate
EXCELLENT content! Confined to bed fighting a sinus infection and stumbled onto the channel - made feeling crappy worth it!
Why do watch Adam's videos? To be informed . Yes we get entertained as well. Love that. But this video goes all out on informing us. Truly appreciate these videos.
The best available all con do bike for a smaller rider is a different one…
Just sold mine with 63000 km for a decent price, no issues at all, it was my second of that type, i got my third v strom 650 6 weeks ago and have done the ACT croatia with it alteady, best reliable bike for smaller riders!
the smile on your face Adam everytime you start the warhorse is just priceless and so enjoyable! So yeap! The 30y.o africa twin is the living proof of the obvious! Thanx for the video
I’ve got an 890r and have 2 sets of wheels. Motoz RalZ mounted on Exel rims and Avons mounted on the OEM rims. 2 bikes in one. Excellent dirt bike and excellent road bike which can stay with the sports tourers. What more can a person want
Yeah but how issues have you had with your bike?
@@habibi750 had a 790r 6000k’s and my 890r 11000k’s zero issues with both.
Right on! The marketing of ADV bike is so full of "more is better" and you have shown that's not the case. I'm amazed that the industry thinks we need/want over 100+ horsepower to ride off road. Well done Adam.
Yes but the entire point of "Adventure" is that they are used on the road too... Where the power is VERY important... There is a reason why bikes like the DesertX and 890 Adventure reduce power output to about 70hp in their basic off-road modes paired with a much gentler throttle response. I just don't see the downside of the BMW at all, why not have the more power if it doesn't make the bike heavier or harder to control...
I think the industry gives you more HP for those freeway/highway rides that we take on the way to the trails. A lot of people also use their adventure bikes as sport touring machines. The BMW 1250 GS is absolutely amazing for traveling long distances and is very capable off road. It's not meant to do very aggressive offroading but I would consider it a solid adventure bike. But if I'm going to be doing mainly trails, I'd take my T7 any day of the week. And if I have to pick only one bike, I'd pick the T7WR over anything else because it's the most well-rounded bike I know of.
"more is better" is how we ended up with 600lb land yachts in the US until the market came around to middleweights : (
@@ElectronNinja ???? whatever do you mean? Middleweights existed since the dawn of time, proved in this video... Large ADVs have also always been a thing, they're just better than ever. That 250kg GS is easier to throw into a bend than a 90s sport bike...
@@AntaresSQ01 In the US market we've been lucky to get something good now and then, unlike AU and EU which have always had tons of great options. Marketing has usually gone "if it's not a liter sportbike or a big cruiser, Americans don't want it" lol.
For us westerners, usually it's been some kind of Africa Twin, the KLR, and then the BMW middleweight if you wanted something dirt oriented. Hell Yamaha teased us with the smaller Tenere for yeaaaaaaars before finally giving us one. Now the market has exploded!
Another superb video Adam.. Love your thoughts on all of this stuff!!
Excellent summary of what outright HP equates to in the real world Adam...Stress, Stress and more Stress on every working part; From engine internals to final drive, everything is under more stress; The F900 sounds like it is one misfire away from destruction; The T7 sounds less stressed but I suspect that is only because of the balance shaft...neither of these two engines will like being fed any low octane fuel which is something any outback traveller might want to consider; Then we have the old Honda that still produces more outright HP than most will ever need or use off-road, it keeps up easily (on dirt) with the two highly strung thoroughbreds but sounds like an electrical armature motor...and it will live with low octane fuel without fuss;
In many ways, so-called 'adventure' bikes have gone backwards; Taller; Heavier; Highly Strung; Complicated Electronics...and no way of knowing what needs to be fixed without specialist diagnostic tools should the bike break down in the middle of nowhere... or 5 k's from home; a cheap sensor or plug could cost many hundreds, if not thousands by the time the bike gets to a dealer;
Give us back 'old school' bikes please Mr Motorcycle Manufacturer...you will sell them like bacon and egg sandwiches at smoko time.
Some considerations:
1) that beemer is a new bike and that engine already sounds like a sewing machine, TAC TAC TAC TAC
2) standard T 7 would be faster, its lighter , the suspension is pretty much the same. Also, you went wide on that one.
3) África Twin, amazing result.
The best part about these bike overviews, is just the simple, down to earth, no BS style of showing what the bikes are capable of, and highlighting to core reliabiltiy aspects of what you need to know for your choice of riding.
Hey Adam,
I strongly agree with your opinion on the hole spec sheet battle topic. I'm really curious what you think about the old japanese single zylinders from the 80s and 90s like DRs XRs,KLRs and Ténéres? It also would be great to see you get down and dirty with one of these old Thumpers.
Cheers and keep the great content coming.
Nice video, I love the way you slide. I would point out that a high compression ratio does not mean a bike is unreliable. The old BMW F800GS had a 12 to 1 compression ratio. Those engines could do massive distance as long as they had their regular servicing. Mine was well over 100,000 kms when I sold it. There is a guy on YT who got over 700, 000 kms on his. Compression Ratio is only a part of the reliability equation. Cylinder pressure wasnt mentioned. Valve timimg has a huge influence over cylinder pressure, and having fuel injection along with a computer means all that is managed so it can easilly run on pump gas. Honestly how many modern engines fail purely because of their compression ratio? To all those who are smiling because they have an old low compression bike, enjoy it, like I do with my old XR and TT, but dont kid yourself that low compression alone will make it live forever.
I really appreciate this video. We are all well aware there’s a lot of tech being put in new bike’s engines to make it “environmentally complient” and to make the markening numbers appealing to the “audience”, potential buyers who seek power, style to achieve adventure. The marketing works on showroom floor, but in the bush, not so much.
Instead, manufaturers should pour some of the money to the suspension tech. There are the biggest differences. As a T7 rider I never missed more power and to he honest, probably never used the whole power it can deliver. Leave the power alone - suspension and weight. Make the bikes light again ❤
Middleweight should be centered around the middle; right between a regular 250 lb dirt bike, and the big 530lb BMW. That's 390 lb wet, or about 360 dry. I think the Kove 800x is actually the only 2 cyl bike that's a middleweight. My T7 is lovely, but somewhere around 450 lb ready to go. It's a heavyweight IMO.
Manuel has a video where they say Pol's stripped down race bike is 178kg : 391 lb. And I think that's not fully fuelled, so I dunno if a T7 is ever going to get that light. But if Yamaha wants to make a T3 or T4... Well, I only need 40whp to get around.
@@colinbowman8816 interresting you mentioned Kove 800X as I had this bike on my proximity radar. It seems like the bike which would be missing. Looking forward on getting hands on it as soon as it arrives to Slovenia. Actually it might disrupt the market a bit. The same way T7 did. People accepted the high positioned weight of T7 as the market just didn’t have a comparable bike at the time. Some might argue that Kove 450 Rally covers the dualsport market. Just did a rally ride recently and guys riding it had good things to say. Middle adventure market will see some nice disruptions in the future.
@@the.pineapple I'll check one out as soon as i can too!
Think it shares the KTM 790 engine, which hasn't been the most reliable thing... But maybe the cam wear issue will be fixed.
@@colinbowman8816 yes, you are right. From reliable sources I hear they fixed the engine and should be good now.
there's something about growing up and hearing ppl say " i actually don't need this or that" lol. From adrenaline to reliability and just cruising in life. I do miss your old 1190 vids
Adam, I love you! You’re so authentic and all you do is just pure life. When it comes to motorcycle content on YT, you’re definitely in a own world.
Greetings from your biggest fan in Germany🍻 btw, what do you think of the Aprilia Tuareg 660? Could be a bike that suits you very well
The Warhorse is superior motorcycle in every possible way. Design, sound and soule. Mine has 30 years, starts on first try every time. Great motorcycle. Maybe, if I could afford more expensive one like the Tenere, I would speak differently, but right now, XTV750 is best I ever had.
Defo need to run that test again mate. I’ll be over with my Royal Enfield 411 rocking 24bhp, 32 torques…🤡
Ahh to watch Adam rocking a Royal Enfield on his tracks... that would be great!
It would fall to bits given the height of the jumps! 😅
Your laughter when it came to ride the warhorse talls how much you love that bike. Which I understand, I have a 1991 rd04 and absolutely adore that bike.
Saw the notification-> instantly started watching 🍿
Yup, my T700 is fast on the dirt and is secure and satisfying over a 300km sprint. My 2012 WR250R is pretty much as fast on our eastern seaboard ranges here in Aus, is equally secure and unbelievably good to ride - arriving only minutes later after the same 300km.
The Beamer has an unappealing engine sound.
yes the xlv was the best sounding by far. and still performs quite well
I bought my KTM 890 ADV R, not for the power, but the weight and suspension. I've learned that's what makes an ADV bike fun for me. Honestly, after riding it for several years I've realized any ADV bike can be good as long as it's not grossly overweight. Buy something reasonably priced and throw all the money you can at suspension, and it will be awesome. Adam is spot on here.
You LOOKED faster, more in control, and sounded faster, on the BMW…and your enthusiastic verbal reaction seemed to confirm it.
Without a question brother, these are the best and most useful and informative videos within the space of all of this social media, and RUclips nonsense. Just wanted you to know how much value you were providing, as a T7 owner myself with over 25,000 miles in the bush on it, I couldn’t agree with you more looking forward to your next adventure.
01:18 the rabbit out in the background just doing its thing not even aware it's a celebrity. lol
Good eyes!
Dude this is in austria they dont have rabbits there... its prolly a kangaroo
@@Ekmanjohnny That's in Australia, not Austria. But no worries, they're practically next to each other. Only 16500+ kms between their capital cities.
I think it's a chicken...
@@Ekmanjohnny What do you mean Austria does not have rabbits and it's a kangaroo??? Are you talking about Australia?
The Warhorse just sounds so sweet and full. The V Twin!
It seems that t7 is what africa should be today.
I can't argue with you. Everything you've said, I agree with.
But from my point of view, it's different. I chose the KTM 890AR because I'm mainly a road rider. When on the dirt, the 890 is as good as the T7 (maybe better for us with short legs), but I expect my bike to be a sports road bike as well. Get the 890 on to the twisty mountain roads (I'm in Europe, so we're talking the Alps, the Pyrenees and the Picos) and the 890 is simply unbeatable. The stonking mid-range and low CoG make it a winner. It's easier to ride than bigger bikes (KTM 1290 SAS for example) because they're more difficult to moderate. This means I only need one bike. Except for the reliability issues that come with all highly tuned engines (it doesn't matter who makes them: KTM, Honda, BMW, Aprilia etc.). I can handle the inconvenience of breakdowns. I have a 1988 Honda NX 650 Dominator as backup, which is similar in performance and durability to your horse.
Listen to the BMW you could almost believe that they are inspired by KTM. Sounds like doing the dishes in the washing machine.
It's awful! I NEED to know why the KTMs clatter like that...timing chain slap from the super aggressive cam profiles and spring pressures? Clutch plates rattling in the basket? Every KTM I've had sounds like it's about to fall apart, and the all make some scary looking shavings in the oil.none of them have stranded me...yet, but they don't leave me full off confidence, like the Japanese bikes do.
The more heat the engine generate because of the higher compression ratio, the bigger the tolerances needs to be to cater for the expansion of the metal. My 1290 generates a huge amount of piston slap early in the mornings when I start her up. By the time I hit the freeway the slap is almost gone.
For me this is another example of how 'it's not the bike, it's the rider,' and I did really appreciate the discussion on the end results of high horsepower and heat vs low hp and less heat! I never have liked the 'whirrr' sound in any motorcycle but it seems like it's here to stay in most 'modern' bikes! That beemer tho......they always sound like they are running on very low oil, ha! Cheers Adam!
Anyone plz educate me on this, why reimanm is starting in 2nd gear!? 😕
otherwise he gets too much wheelspin (so would be slower)! you don't have the same traction on gravel as on pavement
La XRV 750 è sempre stata il mio sogno e qualche anno fa l'ho realizzato, moto semplicemente fantastica.
Ho avuto anche 3 Transalp 600, con l'ultimo ho fatto 150k km e ancora gira perfettamente.
Prova bellissima, grazie!
BMWs engine sounds like a bag of rocks
Hands down top 5 motorcycle channel on YT. 10/10 as usual.
If there's anyone I would trust on this subject it's Adam. Very few people ride an ADV to the level that he does. When Adam talks, I listen.
Adam that Warhorse seems really dialed in and I love the way that Honda V-Twin purrs down low to a rumble when you twist the throttle.
Yes, although I agree that horsepower is not so important in this specific situation, the tires can easily make for those differences. Moreover, driving 790 Adv R and 450 rally replica (probably one of the most powerful 450s) in the dunes I can tell you that sometimes I miss not having to shift down half way up a dune. The extra torque at low RPMs (which at my skill level is where I spend most of my life) makes life easier, and in general less fatiguing. Before the 790 I had the 800 GS and the jump in power and torque is so useful to fill in the gaps in technique for lofting the front wheel, or just making it up a steep hill in one gear higher and a less jumpy bike. I think the key message is that all of the can do it, find one that you like, and enjoy riding it.
Bought my 2017 Africa Twin new for USD $ 11,500. It’s been perfect: just add tires and gas. 94 horsepower and 505 pounds wet, it will run on regular gas and never gets hot. A more modern Warhorse. I like it so much that newer bikes don’t tempt me.
Another missing scenario here is also knowing your bike so well you really get the best out of them, I have a T7 Rally but really feel at home on my old TT600r, Great vids keep up the good work..
Great video, great conclusion. I've owned different bikes, including powerful ones like Triumph Tiger 800XCX with 95hp, however nowadays running my Africa Twin 1999 with 65hp I feel like Tom Cruise at Top Gun 2 when he goes to the old hangar and starts the engine of the Tomcat F14, old school never gets old. As there is no replacement for displacement, there is no replacement for the mighty queen XRV750 Africa Twin, what a bike.
Love the video , I have 1990 XRV750 DR04 and it is just a beast of a bike and we just clicled ,with few mods like 12V socket and couple touring accesorities it checks every box of a modern ADV BIKE but in realy mechanical and hands on package and in my point of view it is unbeatable for the price. And i am seeing myself riding it for years to come .
Boy I thought my air cooled Harley was noisy (it is a bit, lol) but that beemer was ridiculous. The exact same reason the Harley twins have held their popularity over the imports, torque. Load a bike with two people, loads of gear, and they still climb steep grades with power to spare, torque.
Like Carrol Shelby always said, "horsepower sells cars, torque wins races".
Great video.
0.1 second difference with a top notch rider that can squeeze the max out of a powerful bikes. Great video
Very good exercise. In fact I have tried something similar with a DR650 vs a Tiger 800 .Obviously no contest on tar, but over a short distance there isn't much in it . The DR also chugs up steep inclines better. the weight difference is obviously a major contributor.
What an awesome video. Very interesting results indeed. I had an F800GSA and now I have an XL700V Transalp with an aftermarket pipe and that V Twin motor sounds so good.
This channel has quickly become a favorite of mine. Adam knows what he talking about. I was on the fence between a new KLR650 and new T7 for almost a year. I have put in hours of research and pulled the trigger on a new T7. It doesn't mean its better then any other bike, but its what fit my needs the best. I have owned many bikes over the years with far to much horsepower, I also spent many years in the motocross scene. I am not pro at everything but also not a rookie in the motorcycle world. Adam does a great job of explaining differences between machines and why it may or may not be what you are looking for.
Oh man, I remember that sound, my 750 AT. Loved that bike. Thanks for the memories.
Man.. I just love your philosophy with bikes and the content you put out there like this answers alot of unasked but should've been asked questions.
Amazing comparison! I’d love to see you give the Tuareg a proper thrashing and review!
RUclips for riders is a better place with your content. Love the war horse 😊
Never, EVER did I think I would choose a "Rhino". However, I am 3 years in with a BMW R1250 GSA and have ridden the Rallye versions at Off Road Skills courses and adventure rides, and I have to agree it can take you pretty well everywhere. There is no getting away from the weight of the Rhino, even with light luggage, but the bike is truly capable if you are up for the challenge. Great video Adam.
Same old argument, same old answers. I remember Tony Kirby putting that debate on the table in Sidetrack magazine.
In the bush less is more when it comes to hp and weight. Suspension and tyres however, is another matter.
Thanks for the reminder Adam, old school is cool.
Hey Adam. I'm only new here, but already I love your stuff mate. I've owned a 1250 GSA for the past 50,000kms and I agree, these are unique motorcycles from the perspective of doing everything, and they're an absolute blast to ride, especially off-road. I would like a lighter machine though, especially for sand and mud. I'm nearly 68 and only weigh 70kgs so find picking the 1250 challenging. I can do it, but it knocks me around and the risk of injury is always there. So I'm thinking of adding a stable mate to the Rhino. I was sold on a 2023 Norden 901 Explorer until I saw this video, now I'm not so sure. I'm not mechanical, so need reliability. The old Honda is appealing, but you obviously have mechanical knowledge and skills I can only dream of. For some reason I can't explain I just can't get enthused about the Yamaha, so I guess I'll keep searching for the right fit. Thanks for you insights.
Im in need of a adventure moto in this stage of my life , cause a low budget i cant afford to spend 10k to buy a newer used one , and started to look for africas , then while i looked about opinions and videos to consider about it , i found your channel , i feel blesed allready ,ride safe mate
I bought a 2024 xl 750 Transalp so excited to ride it. Being built for the next week 😊
How honest and how awesome. You've really cleared up a lot of issues..cheers and thanks, Simon (gs 1100 bmer- 440000 kms and still running sweet. No engine work. )
I’ve had an Africa twin for 7 years now. Been thinking really hard about selling it off and picking up a Desert X. After this maybe I’ll reconsider. Thanks for the great video.
Keep the Honda, but buy a modern bike as well. Both have their benefits.