History of the Forbidden Forest - Harry Potter Explained
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today we’re discussing the complete history of the Forbidden Forest, a common backdrop for important moments throughout the Harry Potter series for both Harry, his friends, AND his enemies.
As many of you will remember, the Forbidden Forest is first introduced in The Philosopher’s Stone as a scary, dark place where students are not allowed to enter, never mind roam about and explore. Of course, one very large caveat to this rule is if those same students ever find themselves in a bit of trouble. As much as it really makes absolutely NO sense what-so-ever, a punishment bestowed upon multiple students over the years, including Harry, Hermione Granger, Neville Longbottom and Draco Malfoy in the first installment of the series, is to send them INTO the Forbidden Forest. This form of “detention” is meant to help Hagrid with random duties required in the upkeep of the portion of the Forest that resides on school property. As this was the detention they were given for merely being out of bed after hours, makes one wonder what the punishment would’ve been for actually going into the Forest…more time spent IN THE FOREST? Like I said…it really doesn’t make any sense AT ALL.
Anyway, I’d like to start off today’s video with a brief summary of the Forbidden Forest as we know it through Harry Potter. Because, although there are many fantastical locations and magical places in which Harry and his friends visit throughout the novels and films alike, it may not be immediately apparent just how important the Forbidden Forest is to the series.
Now, it's a very typical trope for an enchanted forest - whether filled with “light” magic or “dark” - to represent a way to achieve transformation for those who enter it. What I mean is that magical forests are often used as a literary device to be a catalyst of change for any number of fictional characters. They enter the forest as one version of themselves, and emerge forever transformed.
All this to say that I do, indeed, believe that there are quite a few transformations that take place within the Forbidden Forest, many of which I will get into later in the video. BUT, in my opinion, it’s quite evident that the MAIN transformation that takes place in the series is at the very end of the seventh book (which, as many of you will know, is the eighth movie) and is directly related to the protagonist of the story: our dear boy, Harry.
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Which 'History Of' video do you want next? Ministry of Magic is currently in the works..
Comment down below!
Wait wait I thought the trauma of Harry seeing death for the first time was through Cedric's in goblet of fire,not Sirius in the Ministry of Magic(UK) ...
These unknown spells that were seen in the book(the spell used to turn a death eater head into a baby) Ron wanted to kill it,but Hermione stopped him..
What spell was the one that death eater use to hit Hermione in the chest,that made a heart before she said "Oh" ..than she got knock out
Why Rowling decided to omit Frienze scene in the book for Divination sub teacher? when Sybil was sacked at not meeting Umbridges standards...
And the book: made by Snape(authored Half blood prince)
Why Ministry change the course curriculum in the book,and omitted things? To allow students to fell Advance Potions..
What was the book that had a Screaming face coming out of it,in the Restriction section when Harry attempted to read?
History of why the cursed child is the worst thing to ever happen to mankind.
In the Forbidden Forest, Firenze doesn't say it's Voldemort. He suggests that is though, and as Harry is asking Firenze if he means Voldemort, he is interrupted by Hermione calling his name. And I believe the same happened in the movie. Firenze never says Voldemort name. Also, I want to know how the Centaurs knew that Voldemort still lived. In Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, chapter fifteen, The Forbidden Forest page 189 Firenze says to Harry "Can you think of nobody who has waited many years to return to power, who clung to life, awaiting their chance." (Forshadowing about Horcruxes) Showing that the Centaurs, or at let Firenze knew that Voldemort lived. Firenze even acknowledges that others believed Voldemort dead and says it Codswallop in his opinion. We don't really get confirmation that the cloaked figure is Voldemort until Harry is talking to Professor Quirrell/Voldemort.
@@jebvlogs4761 it was seeing Cedric's death. You are right. And it was Philosopher's Stone where the face comes out and screams.
History of prominent magical families would be sick
"One does not simply walk into the Forbidden Forest." - Boromir Potter
Who's Boromir Potter
@@leahluostarinen Your mother
@@leahluostarinen i hope that's a joke...
@@leahluostarinen he helped Harry and Ron destroy the one ring to rule them all. Don't even you watch movies?
@@leahluostarinen Boromir Potter is the son of Denethor Potter the Second and brother to Faramir Potter.
-Rowena Ravenclaw: "I have had a vision! We shall build our school here!"
-Godric Gryffindor: "Right next to the foreboding forest?"
-Helga Hufflepuff: "Ah, I think Godric has a point..."
-Godric and Salathzar together: "Perfect!"
-Salathzar: "It is a bounty of supernatural resources and an excellent place study dangerous beasts!" 😈
-Godric: "It will be the proving grounds of the brave and adventurous!" 😁
-Rowena: "It will be a puzzle and mystery for the cunning!" 🤔
-Helga: "It is going to be a graveyard for children..." 😑
Well works out in the end if you can't handle it don't go and if you're overconfident then you're a cautionary tale
@@magicpyroninja hard to just "not go" when the teacher takes you there for a lesson.
@@imneveruploadinghere7180 or for detention
@@imneveruploadinghere7180 I'd rather take unsavory teachers there. It's a shame she got better
Helga, always so dramatic..
With how many times they were there, this forest doesn't really feel that forbidden.
"The NEARLY Forbidden Forest." 😂💀
@@EL-ISS Nearly Forbidden? How can it be nearly forbidden?
@@rishavdutta6970 like this....
@@williamclay190 😨
@Rishav Dutta 🤣🤣🤣 good one you two
I still find it hilarious that the first time we saw the Forbidden Forest was when they were forced to go into it as punishment for sneaking around at night lmao
“How dare you children sneak out at night and put yourselves in danger! As punishment we will send you out at night and put you in danger!”
Like when you get caught smoking so you're parents make you smoke a whole carton
I'd argue that students are forbidden from entering the forest unsupervised but when accompanied by a staff member as punishment, it's supposed to show them why it's dangerous so they aren't tempted to go alone.
Nah its meant to scare them, kind of a "Dont misbehave, or youll go back in the forest again." and the supervision is just to stop them from dying lol
And thats why they sent Malfoy and Harry unsupervised to search for unicorn killing thing. Not counting Scooby that Hagrid lent them.
@@vladimirblagojevic5937just so's ya know he's a bloody coward
@@vladimirblagojevic5937Hey, it's Hagrid. He doesn't always make the right choice.
Hagrid is half giant. So I imagine the forest isn't so dangerous to him.
"Unicorn blood... ok, Harry and Draco, you go off that way, I'll go this way with Hermoine.
Ironically, Hermoine was probably the most capable to travel inside the forest next to Hagrid
I’m sure naming anything as ‘forbidden’ would be more than enough reason for Fred and George to become interested in it.
As a counterpoint, I think it makes perfect sense Hogwarts is next to the Dark Forest. Especially after the statute of secrecy, I'm sure magical "real estate" became scarce. To boot, as wild magical creatures needed to be hidden from muggles, I'm sure the forest became a dumping ground for all manner of beasts. It only makes sense to build a magical school next to a magical forest. It probably benefitted them as well as a buffer, and also a place to gather resources and knowledge.
Right. Also while the book never fully mentions the plant-life there I imagine that the forest is rich with different potion ingredients, Herbology resources, obviously care of magical creatures... creatures, and Defense Against the Dark Arts topics for reference. It has a whole lot to teach and reference about the magical world and while students are forbidden to enter due to safety concerns there's most likely a lot to be drawn from by teachers. Also to the point of Fred and George I'd hazard a guess that some of their prank/candy creations included ingredients from the forest which is why they had taken a keen interest in it!
The punishing students by sending them to the forest makes as much sense as suspending kids from school for skipping class
Harry 's first corporeal patronas was conjured at the quidditch match where Malfoy and company dressed as dementors to try and sabotage Harry.
The forest is a natural barrier against muggles. Makes sense to keep it around, at least in the past.
Wizards: "Muggles will never get through the forest!"
Muggles: "Burn it down."
Wizards: "Wait, what?"
@@midgetydeathhow does America still have wizards?
@@aerystargaryenii2565 If youre implying that America doesnt have a lot of forest, youre wrong.
@@Likexner no because Americans are nosey, intrusive and armed
I’m sure Fred and George were looking for magical ingredients.
Also, the edge of the wards extends to the forest. In a few of the shots of the edge it appears to be at the bottom of an open hill, making an invasion difficult. You also forget that the castle is ringed by the lake. It has pretty good defenses.
I bet the only four people that knew everything in the forest was the founders of Hogwarts
Yeah I agree. I bet Slytherin had a backup Basilisk in there 😅
Doubt the forest was as large in their time.
Some beasts in the forests are not natives so the life in the Forest now would easily be twice the size of the forest in their time
@@alexdredge655 I can honestly see Salazar sitting there like "You thought I only had one? Sike bitch it's double jeopardy time". Or something to that extent. I may be misquoting.
Quick correction: Book 3 - Harry casts his first corporeal Patronus on the Quidditch field while playing against Ravenclaw.
Lupin doesn't "accidentally" transform into a Werewolf, it was a full moon.
Fred & George were interested in the Forest because of the rare ingredients for their future business, Weazely's Wizarding Wheezes.
I think Lupin’s “accident” was allowing it to happen without drinking his wolfsbane potion to retain his sentience.
The forest is nightmare fuel , the spiders everywhere are just the one of many horrors that lurk beneath the woods . The ministry of magic even feared sending aurors their after unnerving reports of monstrous beings created by dark wizards . Who knows what else lurks within
A note to keep in mind. Is that in Medieval Europe (where many fantasy societies are based from) forests were forbidden. They were unmapped and hard to navigate. The Black Forest in Germany alone is the source of many fairytales for this very reason.
Edit: but it could be forbidden as in a sanctuary for rare magical creatures which would explain the use in Care for Magical Creature classes (playing into the grounds keepers caring for it as well).
Also. The most fearsome creature in the forest. A magically sentient car 🚗.
Not just any car, a Ford Anglia.
Just being a dark, unforgiving magical forest would make you not want to go inside it, let alone all the magical creatures and beasts that must have lurked in the darkness. Near the school or not I think I would have stayed away.🧙♂️
Dude I bought Hogwarts Legacy, I'm not a HP fan and I don't know shit about the Wizarding World lore.
But I absolutely loved the game, I got it 100% and did all the achievements, and when I was not playing I was watching your videos to learn more about the world of the game and the Wizarding World in general, your channel is a gold mine and allowed me to appreciate the game even more and to understand a lot of references.
I think what fascinated me the most was the history of Azkaban and Ekrizdis, and how Dementors were made.
Thank-you!
Watch the movies..
@@lambongini4841 And the books.
@@monkey39128yeah, watch the books!😊
I would argue that the transformation for Half-Blood Prince is the loss of Aragog. It was the conduit that allowed Harry to learn the secret memory Slughorn was hiding, which transformed their knowledge of the Horcruxes.
Wish we would get a prequel with Harry's parents so we can see the Marauders being formed then going into the woods so their friend is not alone as a werewolf all that stuff would be amazing
Yes!
16:11-16:19 Despite not playing Hogwarts Mystery, I was still familiar with Rowan due to a few gameplay videos. However, I didn’t know about this fact, and it was upsetting to learn.
Really enjoyed this one. Where do you get all this crazy extra info about the students? Fantastic
Always puzzled me how more kids didn't go to such a mysterios forbidden place. Given that wizards in general are not much concerned with safety due to magic protecting them from most of physical damage, deseases, non-magical and some magical accidents.
Because other magical beings know magic as well
@@shotty2164 , so? How are those 2 things even connected? Why would the fact that other creatures have magic stop some human teenager, wich are headless even amongst muggles, and even more so amongs wizards, from going there? Does the fact the the word "english" starts with "e" mean that Harry is a chosen one? Where is the connection?
One thing I've always poundered upon about Book 3.
Harry sees a future version of himself casting the Patronas charm. Given how we later find out this happens due to Harry and Hermione going back in time, Harry casting the charm himself.
I believe that Buckbeak was never truly killed the initial time we see Waldon swinging his axe (it's been my theory that Harry and Hermione have gone through this time line 2 times - first time to save Harry, Sirius and Buckbeak and then a second time to save Sirius and Buckbeak - if he did die the first time around)
It says that "Harry and Hermione hear a howl and see Hagrid stumbling out of his hut drunk with happiness".this is shortly after they save Buckbeak. Given how Harry, Ron and Hermione hear this same sound after they believe Buckbeak to be dead and before they end up in the Shrieking Shack.
Time is endless, every moment is constantly happening over and over, we just saw 2 loops
Don't forget the centaurs mentioned in the first book that Mars(God of war)was incredibly bright, hinting at the impending wizarding war.
Ruddy star gazers the lot of em!
Video idea for you to do:
What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?
The twins going back to the forest is something I want to see explored. Id always thought it would be interesting if Georgie finds the resurrection stone on accident and has a moment with Fred causing a whole sub plot of him not being able to get rid of it and Fred becoming unhappy until he has to.
This is an awesome and super unique video idea!!
Your videos are insanely addictive. I haven't gotten up in 3 hours. 0_0
Most awesome vid!!!!!
"In dying, Harry failed miserably" haha. Keep up the good work!
A new Wand Tree, I'm guessing an Elder tree, probably grew over and around- if not from- the Resurrection Stone.
I like this!
Book: "The Stone is lost in the mud of the Forbidden Forest forever"
New First Year: Detention in the Forest and spams Revelio..."hmm, er... What's this?... Hmm I wonder..."
Lol
I’m glad you mentioned how it doesn’t make sense that the punishment for Harry being late was to help Hagrid in the Forbidden Forest. It’s literally called the FORBIDDEN Forest, since it is meant to be extremely dangerous to students. And never mind that Harry was 11 at the time
It was basically attempted murder.
No no no! You forgot the car going feral! I think that was a very interesting transformation!
In Half-Blood Prince, Prof. Snape's confession to Harry happend near Hagrid's place. Probably symbolic as well, being that the scene happend near the edge of the forest.
We need a history of magical spell and magical types developments.
What I mean is , how did the magic spells taught and known and invented get more powerful , uncontrollable and well-known they are. And how have the wizarding world created new types of magic like astronomy and elemental , how did they discover them , how did they find out the words for spells while even knowing the correct pronunciation?
I hope u understand.
This video was great
With regards to Barty Crouch senior walking into the Hogwarts by walking through the forbidden forest, considering he was a wizard and was was walking throuhj the forest with the intent purpose of finding both the castle and Dumbledore, he woukd see the castle for what it is, and not the ruins a muggle would see if they survived the forest.
Hope they explore it more in the new series.
‘Never ever go into the forest’
Apart from if you’re late for class and get detention and get sent there in the middle of the night of course…
Fred and George's interest is the same as any daring young marauder...
Lady centaurs
I've read that Lady Centaurs are very sexually active, while the Lord Centaurs are not really concerned with keeping their species going. So maybe Fred and George met some Lady Centaurs.
An amazing video for all Potterheads!
"Hah hah spiders... Spiders... They want me to tap dance. I don't want to tap dance Harry."
Magical forests are also present in C.S. Lewis' writings as well as J.R.R. Tolkien's writings, and not to forget many ancient myths including Homer.
We need more. What lies beyond the forest and how far does it go in every direction?
Interesting topic
I think that this was a great place to protect the students from muggles. People would not venture from the muggle if there was a lot of death and disappearance associated with it.
The forest is a protection for the school. Muggles, or anyone else who shouldn't find the castle, probably get lost in there, or just stumble around in a circle until they're back where they came in at.
You should do a video on goblin magic and their magical abilities
“One does not simply follow the spiders.” Boromir Weasley
History of professor quirrell? Not sure if that’s been a subject yet
Make a video on the legendary cursed vaults
How powerful was Harry? Was he average or really powerful, or was he the beneficiary of being the focal pointe of the series.
Harry’s only power was he inherited part of Voldemort. He looks powerful against the dark lord because Voldemort was fighting part of himself. Also Harry had ALOT of help from Friends / the school and one of the most powerful wizards of all time, Professor Dumbledore
He couldn’t hold himself against regular death eaters in the Deathly Hallows so he’s not v that powerful compared to other wizards
Please do the black lake!
With a name like Forbidden Forest, how can you not want to investigate?
"forbidden forest, do not enter"
harry and his friends, "this sign won't stop me because i can't read"
In the first movie, it was Ron not that went into the forest, not Neville-if I remember correctly!
Book vs Movie liberties.
I would like to know since it said wormtail on the Marauder's map why didn't it say it was Barty crouch jr. Instead of Moody got any quick come back on that
I think that maybe Hogwarts' staff ran the rumor of imminent danger once in the forest, so students didn't leave the castle premises through it and there, they would then be in more danger.
I like how you mentioned the story of the mobile game hogwarts mystery lol. I’ve been playing it for over a year 😅
To be 100% honest with you, I always found this forest super soothing and cozy 🙏
He mentioned that the forbidden Forest had grown as well as the number of creatures in it
Maybe they turned it into some kind of natural preserve in the same way they did with the Black lake
I have three questions, so if Voldemort's power came from Harry they had the same power??? And if so Harry truly is a powerful wizard if neither Professor Mcgonagall nor Kingsley together could Does that mean Harry could beat them both??
And what if Harry received another Killing Curse? If he couldn't die while Voldemort lives, right?
"it doesn't make sense"
True, but maybe it's not supposed to make sense. The punishments seem to be chosen to teach that student a lesson they need to learn at that time, as well as keep them on their toes not knowing what kind of punishment they will get. If they know all they get is a minor punishment, a "slap on the wrist" like cleaning the trophy case or such, for breaking certain rules, then they might be more likely to break rules all the time.
When the kids were roaming outside unsupervised at night, though a small chance, they were taking risks. So being sent on a mission where they must knowingly face danger in the forest, even supervised by Hagrid (& secretly the centaurs), is supposed to make them realize that this isn't the same as even just wandering inside the school. They needed a reminder that bad things can happen even to creatures that lived there all the time.
When Harry gets the punishment to assist Lockhart, who needs help with his fan mail, it's because Dumbledore has told McGonagall that's what he wants. He wants Harry to spend even more time with him so that Harry can see up close how Lockhart has let his ego go out of control due to fame. Dumbledore knows that when not in front of a class that's half girls sighing over him, he will relax & be even more obnoxious. He wants Harry to be confident in what he's learned, but more importantly he wants to make sure Harry stays humble & pure of heart as much as he can. Dumbledore knows that taking down Voldemort is going to be a long, hard process & Harry will not just be in physical danger but in danger of losing faith & how important teamwork will always be because even Harry won't be able to do it alone. It takes many people to keep fighting the Death Eaters & Voldemort while Dumbledore ferrets out clues about the horcruxes & then the trio go hunting them. If not for all those people in & out of the Order of the Phoenix who stood up for what was right then Voldemort would've won before Harry could even begin his destined path to end Voldemort & stop the war.
I never thought of it like that before.
Imagine if the resurrection stone was or could somehow be incorporated into a wand
How are the MC and Sebastian able to use crucio on each other if you have to despise your target? I can see them wanting to inflict pain as that was the only way to survive but the hatred requisite was not meant. Is it just a plot hole? Would love a video on the slytherin lore in game
Spoilers kinda*
If you lead me into a room that is then sealed both ways, I don't care if you are the mother of my children even, I WILL DESPISE YOU TILL THE DAY I DIE.
So when you think about it, it becomes easy.
I think that you should add that you are talking about Legacy
I interpreted it as having to have a compelling reason to use Crucio, not necessarily despising the target. In this case, the reason would be to help his sister. Similar to how Barty Crouch Jr (disguised as Mad Eye) tortured the bug in class in the 4th book. He probably didn't despise the bug, but rather his reason was to eventually manipulate Harry into the graveyard to restore Voldemort's power.
The magical school like that it's expected that there's going to be some issues occasionally and just chalk it up to natural selection
There wasn't enough of Voldemort 's soul left inside him for the Dementor's Kiss to harm him.
I just thought of this what if the reason why Fred and George were so interested in the forbidden forest is maybe they saw voldemorts name on the map In the forest that's why they are so interested in it but they probably don't want to say anything to cause a scene for the school or issues for Dumbledore
voldemort name couldnt be in the map, the map uses a homunculus spell variation to track living human bodies, voldemort at the time didn't have a body yet.
I don’t think the map tracks the forest
I wonder how many of those students whom disappeared were taken but the Spiders because they were thinking they could get their venom, whether if was for potions or to sell on the black market. Or maybe some crazy cult.
From whence do you get the early history of the forest?
I still think Harry should have let everybody in the battle have a chance to get one last goodbye with their fallen loved ones before he tossed the stone out
Well, it used to be the "Welcoming Forest" but then Hagrid had to go and create a fucking massive Acromantula colony inside it.
That would be awesome
Very curious....
it makes sense that the founders, 3 of the four supporting the idea that Hogwarts would be a school filled with students from many walks of life, would want the school to not be dissconnected from the muggle/outside world.
The best transaction was the car. From old banger to force of nature!
I allways wonder about the history of the forest
1. The place was meant to deter students from being unruly. Hagrid wouldn't take them to the actually dangerous places, and he would protect them, but they would still feel fear just because of the atmosphere of the place and the darkness, that is the punishment. Hagrid took them to the area inhabited by Centaurs and Unicorns, so it was essentially just sightseeing filled with adrenaline.
2. The Forbidden forest is scary and hostile on purpose to deter people from entering. That protects them from what is inside and the creatures inside from people. Creating a barrier between the forest and the school would unwisely detach them from the surrounding world. Students should learn to coexist with the beings there, respect their territory.
History starts at 12:07
Hagrid: Let go in to the forbidden forest
Harry and his friend: Forbi-WHAT
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I'm almost there to learning the final curse I've been running through the entire map like it's nothing I'm playing on the hardest difficulty and it's really not that hard actually pretty easy the only difficult thing is like the two hits than death either way it's not that difficult
Nice alienator
This made me look up what happened to Umbridge.
I have an entirely different look in centaurs now lol they’re pretty evil
I'm gonna call it a case of "blue-orange" morality. They're not just humans with horse feet; they're a whole other species with different ways of seeing things.
4:12 Neville was in dention and not ron?
In the first few movies they call it the dark Forrest. I wonder when it changed
Filch did say they used to have torture chambers to punish the kids.
It makes sense to build next to the forest. The Forbidden Forest scared away the muggles.
In the goblet of fire, you said that thestrals were supposed to represent Sirius's death...which happens near the end of book 5? Its meant to showcase how much Cedric's death and seeing it has affected him. Same concept, just different people. Cause he blames himself for Cedric dying. He said they grab the cup together, he wouldnt be there, if not for harry it would never be a...transport item i forget what theyre called. Its at the start of book 5 where he CAN see them.
Knowing the twins personality they were interested because it was the "forbidden" forest lol
Lol they go there at least once per book! or except half blood prince. My memory's a little sketchy.
Do history of the chamber of secrets
I wonder if the events of the Harry Potter movies/books would be written down like the story of The Deathly Hallows. For future witches and wizards generations later as myth or legend so to speak
B-but what about the car that turned feral in the Forest? 🥺
He actually died talking to Dumbledore on the other side, but before entering the Forbidden Forest, to meet the dark lord (wizard) Voldemort. He hid the resurrection stone in his hand and hid it on the ground nearby. Therefore, he could choose to come back to life and finish with his friends in destroying the last Horocruxses.
What?
I have two questions, did the unicorn recover, or did he die? And, what does it say about Voldermort and his resilience, that he spent more than a decade attempting to get his body back? Harry was what, 14, when he finally achieved his goal? The prophecy actually was fulfilled, if you stop to think about it, that night in Godrich's Hollow in 1981