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Rich Eisen on Buccaneers’ Chances to Upset the Lions in Their Divisional Round Matchup
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2024
- Rich Eisen and the guys break down the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ chances to upset the Detroit Lions in their divisional round matchup.
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I think us Bucs fans have all pretty much accepted the "we're just happy to be here" mentality. Few of us walked into this season expecting to make the playoffs and potentially have our QB of the future land in our laps the year we lose Brady. Let's ride this pony as long as possible and get ready to do it again next season. I'm just happy to be here.
Last week I said, "if we beat Philly in Super Wild Card Weekend, the season was a success." We're playing with house money. Fire them cannons for as long as they'll fire baby!
nope bucs will win ,cambell will cry sneeze and golfball will wipes his nose
@@mabalicksbyyuo-sr7xk Baker be the one who will do the crying...bank it
@mabalicksbyyuo-sr7xk how you gonna have an edit and still got mistakes in your words lol scrub life
The only reason I thought we'd make it to the playoffs is because our division is crap. But I knew we'd have a decent year because we have Baker and Mike Evans together.
As a Lions fan, I'm just happy that we're talking about other team's chances against us in the divisional round of the playoffs.
I am just hoping for a good game that comes down to the last to score. GO BUCS!
@user-tn8uu2cu8g go buy a dog, keep it as a pet, and don't eat it.
If I was a bucs fan I’d be so proud. Good for baker, good for them. Hope baker stays there for the rest of his career, build a team around him and build some consistency
Spot on
They literally bought their way to success 🤡
We are definitely proud!
Lions cannot take the Bucs lightly. The Bucs are a division champs as well as the Lions. Lions need to bring the same intense focus against the Bucs as they did for the Rams. I also believe Ford Field is going be rocking again. Go Lions One Pride.
They did not see the Dan Campbell interview
They’re only division champs because they were mid enough to clear the Falcons and Saints
@@rabidsquirrel19 I want to see you go out there and play then
@@tonyaingram8507 Come on my friend. No one in this thread could play in the NFL, including you. This doesn't mean we can't use logic. The Bucs were only division champs because they were in the worst division in the NFC.
This does not mean they can't win tomorrow. They can. I don't think they will, but it's possible.
"Division champs" means nothing in the current system. When you can have a home playoff game with a losing record, something needs to change. Yes, TB didn't have a losing record this year, but it's happened and it will happen again.
"The deodorant of winning covered all that crap up." One of the best lines ever!
Baltimore took my Lions behind a wood shed but I don't think they would play like that this time around . If we get a chance to play them again
THATS FUNNY
How would they stop it? That wasn't a scheme deficiency, it was a talent one. Baltimore simply have a better squad across the board.
yes, you are correct. They stop it by playing the healthy players that were on IR when the Lions played the Ravens earlier@@mytwosense9135
@@mytwosense9135lol 😅 gonna ignore that we were missing o line starters huh....okay bud
@@mytwosense9135 If they play to their ability and mistake free it could be done
BAKER showed he can play at a high-level in the NFL and most importantly he showed he could lead a team
ALLAH don’t know what it is. Is it a Disney character?
I like my Lions chances better this week than last week.
@user-tn8uu2cu8g Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14: 6.
Don’t be mad if we end up winning in that case.
@@bucs2081bucs suck away and are going to a team with just 2 losses at home bud yall ain't winning
@@bucs2081 I won't. I thought Baker was a great QB @ OU & got a raw deal in Cleveland. He almost got us in the playoffs last year when he was with the Rams. They were big underdogs & took Seattle to OT.
Texans beating the Ravens wouldn’t exactly be surprising. Baltimore likes to wet the bed in the playoffs in recent years.
LJ has more MVPs than PO wins. He is really a great regular season player.
The Ravens have won one playoff game since 2014.
We Lions fans are a tad bit spoiled now. We’re done waiting decades between play-off wins. Go Lions!!!
yep spoken like a true loser thank yoooou!
Us Bucs fans are the losingist team in sports, but somehow lions have it worse lol.. I like the lions though.
Meow.
Meow? 😂😂😂😂 no Rawrs only MEOWS. 😂😂😂😂 GO BUCS
@@BrooksDunnfacts bro. Our team is dangerous they better not take us lightly like buddy said.
Yes Bowles blitzes but his defensive game planning adjustments is underrated. He will not attack Goff like he did Hurts. I expect a lot of looks to bait Goff. LB Kj Britt should have a big game!
He'd better have a different scheme because you can't leave the middle of the field wide open against Detroit with St. Brown and LaPorta.
@@joechriste7052 I agree but I’m sure they will have answer for it this time.
The Lions have a better OL than the Bucs and the game will depend on whether the Bucs OL can protect Baker.
Let’s go Bucs!!
it will be very difficult because we have 3 big guys that now can get to him Houston hutch and alim
Has anyone noticed what Kancey was doing to, perhaps, the best O-lineman in the NFL?
He's a beast
I watched a tape analysis of him earlier today. He had a great game and disrupted a lot of what Philly was trying to do. I'm excited to see him develop over the next few years.
Excuse me sir or ma’am, but have you seen what the Lions did to Aaron Donald?
@brokentubing if you double kancey like y'all did Aaron Donald then Vita Vea definitely gonna eat.
@@robertanderson8819 Like you did in the first game? The Eagles quit. Bowles made it personal in week 6 because he thought that the Buccaneers were better
The Buccaneers absolutely have a chance. If they win, people shouldn't be too surprised. Same thing if they lose but cover the spread. It should be a good game.
Covering the spread does not matter in sports.
Any NFL team can beat any other on any given day. That can happen. I certainly wouldn't bet against the Lion's, right now, in Ford Field.
they have the same chance as a snowball in hades
@@mistamuthafuka it's fair to say there are two different kinds of fans: those who enjoy close games, and those who don't.
@@mythrapi73snowballs chance against a greek God?
Couldn't be happier for the Bucs and Mayfield. From what we thought this season would look like to now playing in the divisional round, its more than we could've ever hoped for. I hope we win the game, but something just feels like the stars are lining up for Detroit. Hoping for great game either way! Go Bucs!!
They have a really good defense and an explosive offense, there’s always a decent chance with that combo
No way will Dan Campbell allow complacency. Lions are locked in, healthy and peaking at just the right moment. 3 more to go; one at a time. Bucs up first.
And the Packers-49ers game is on Saturday. Can you imagine the feeling in Ford Field if the Packers win and the Lions know they can HOST the NFC Championship? Against their decades-long bullies?
Tampa had better pray the 49ers win.
That would be AMAZING.
All Buc's fans are hoping for is that they are in it til the end. If they can have at least a shot to win.... can't ask or expect much more.
As a Bucs fan, I expect us to win this game. It’s not week six anymore. We are totally different team. We are way better than we were when we played the lions last time and to be honest, we beat ourselves in that game.
Sorry bowclip. That’s a delusional take. While it was week 6 it was still a blowout and the Lions didn’t even have their running backs and were banged up with a litany of injuries.
The Lions team is also much different. Much healthier. More in rhythm. With additions of Gibbs and Montgomery and a healthy online, explosive offense, a defense that can pick off Baker as well as get home to him with the added addition of coming to Detroit at Ford Field in hostile territory with crowd noise that will be so deafening it will be difficult not prevent a lot of offensive penalties and burned time outs which will happen all.. game.. long.
Yet you somehow think the bucs have a better chance to win. Yeah. Good luck.
@@mysterybox9250Tampa is also at full strength.
@@bowclipscarter634lions aren't that same team either we were dealing with injuries to should be a good one
@@jaybrick8973 y’all were better at the beginning yall fell off mid way look at the stats bro ur peak was when you played us lmao
If there’s one team im okay having this dream playoff run end against it’s Detroit
It'll be a good game. Any given Sunday, gotta respect the Bucs for climbing back from a low to be in the divisional round. They went from being the nfc laughing stock to sending the nfc east packing
I'm happy the Lions made the playoffs, but...did you see how the Bucs D handled the Philly O. I hope they bring that same energy.
2 of the most complete teams in the NFL..best game this year
When a team doesn't have anything to lose, watch out.
Lol 😂 I think the Lions know that attitude to well to let it catch them lacking but well see. Any given Sunday
Anything can happen, but I highly doubt the Lions come out as flat as Eagles did. That, plus the game is at home. Season and NFC Championship game on the line, Dan Campbell is gonna have a good game plan for Baker. I expect them to win. Lions -2.5
Value your opinion but they will meow by the end of the game. WE WILL BAKE YOU SOME MEOW MIX FOR THE SHORT RIDE HOME. 😂😂😂😂😂 GO BUCS
My fear as a Lions fan (and it's a small fear but there nonetheless), is that we lay a turkey egg like we did on turkey day. I doubt Dan will allow that to happen a second time but the fear is still there.
They definitely won't be flat. But they may get scared - so much expectation and pressure to make the conference game. Still, after beating the Rams, who are frankly a better team than the Bucs, they ought to have some belief in themselves. One test they never faced in that game, however, was going behind. That may happen against the Bucs, and they need to be ready to deal with it, stay calm, and play their game.
@@Paldasan The Lions played their 3rd game in 11 days on Thanksgiving, they were tired.
Remember the Bucs beat Packers that everybody is raving about a month or so ago...
Lions were missing Gibbs, Branch, Jackson, Paschal, and Gardner Johnson in week 6, who will all be playing Sunday. I don't see how the Lions lose this.
You have a point but the bucs were also not as good in the first half of the season. Look when it comes to the playoffs, grab the regular season and throw it in the trash. Playoffs is completely different, everyone is in a different mindset. Look at the eagles They whooped the bucs at the beginning of the season but got whooped in the playoffs
Anybody can win on any day, but I agree I don't see the Buc's beating the Lions. I won't forget the Dallas / Detroit game though as there can be other influences on the outcome.
Thanksgiving anything can happen
The eagles were 1-5 in their last 6 games in the regular season. The Bucs put the smack down on them but the eagles imploded down the stretch. We shall see. I’m not writing off the Bucs but I expect the lions to win.
@@eugeneabreut960I know you said forget about the regular season now that it's playoffs but saying that the bucs beat the Eagles and not looking at the fact the eagles were in free fall is a little disingenuous
Good luck playing the Detroit Lions at Ford Field, 137 db last Sunday night, the second loudest crowd event in world history.
If we have the lead in the third quarter than we might break it again
Didn't seem to help them on Thanksgiving.
We will see how well GB does at Ford Field for our third matchup this year. @@christopherweise438
@@christopherweise438 well we gave up turnovers and it wasn't loud. Only one game was in regular season and it was the Seahawks
@@christopherweise438😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 GO BUCS HAHAHAHA
I think most anyone would agree that Lions should win. That also doesn’t mean they can be complacent either. If they both play a good game though, I think the Lions win comfortably, they are just that talented.
this won't be like the Pack coming to big D and surprising them. Lions gonna be out for blood and put the Bucs in their place.
The fact that Baker friggin Mayfield could face Jordan Love or Brock Purdy in the NFC championship game is why I love pro football
Right!? Tell me a Green Bay/Tampa Bay NFC Title game wouldn't be the most epic thing, perhaps EVER!? It'll be DET/SF...but I'd LMFO if it were the other.
As A Buccaneers fan, Yes Rich we already knew this. We have a better shot then what people are giving us credit for though, 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
I like this comment section. Keep doubting.
@@quintinfink12 Huge Bucs fan up in Vancouver Canada here. We match up well with Detroit. I like our chances. If the defence pressures Goff he doesn't handle pressure well at all. If they play like they did versus the Eagles then the sky's the limit cause they dominated in all phases of the game. GO BUCS!!!!
@@anthonys3631 The Lions are not the Eagles.
to end the season y'all blew it against the Saints at home where you'd win the division. You had to go to the Panthers in a must win game and barely squeaked by them. you blew out an Eagles team that most college teams woulda beat. The Bucs are who we thought they were..they'll get destroyed in Detroit..bank it
@@jcx5659 when you have Mike Evans and Chris Godwin 2 pro bowl receivers anything is possible. I remain optomistic they can win the game.
Never overlook the team that’s having a ball, glad to be there and has nothing to lose.
Thats the lions
@@Detroit-gx5nd they actually have/had expectations upon them. *No one* saw the Bucs in the playoffs, and the media is really chapped Baker got them there.
Baker makes TB fans forget Tom and this statement alone would be unfathomable when the season started.
They have a chance but outside of Tampa fans
WHO DOESN’T WANT TO SEE THE LIONS IN THE NFC TITLE GAME
Aaron Glenn will have our defense ready for the Bucs offense. One Pride
You called it exactly Rich we tried blitzing every 3rd down couldn’t get home
I can’t wait to go to Detroit and listen to Gene Deckerhoff on the Bucs Radio!! I hope to hear “TOUCHDOWN TAMPA BAY” at least Twice!!
As long as we hear "Touchdown, Detroit Lions!" even more.
These NFC QBs are wild.
Bucc’s have a chance if they can stop the run and pressure Goff. His weak spot is when he’s pressured. That being said I wholeheartedly agree the Lions are a way better team than Philly and will have a much better plan to stop them. While I’m rooting for the Bucc’s to win I have to give the edge to Detroit for being a more balanced team. I expect a close game coming down to the last possession.
Pretty much the same roster that won the Super Bowl. Won’t doubt them at all
Minus the 🐐 like how you left that out 😂😂😂but good try.
Why do people keep saying it's the same team as the SB?!? Look at the rosters, Bucs have a lot of starters they've drafted in the past two years.
Teams are close enough that turnovers will be the key.
Lions won by two scores while missing half their starters. This game wont be close spread is already 7
I just wish the Bucs would wear their creamsicle unis with ol Bucco Bruce on their helmets.
It will come down to how many pics Goff throws, how many pick 6's he throws, and how many fumbles he hands over. It will come down to turnovers.
When you’re not favored, just play well. That’s all you can do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Many in the National media want to talk about the defensive back field for Detroit and how bad they are and how many yards they have given up to star receivers and QBs......but they won all three of the last games where that happened (Dallas was a win that did not count). Bend don't break D is risky but has worked. Will it continue? Let's see.....GO LIONS!!!
Nobody wants to give the Lions any respect amongst the sports news elite.
Just like the Boston celtics everyone saying warriors will win 😂😂😂 they suck celtics are ur 2024 nba champs
Both times the Bucs won the SB they were underdogs the whole time as well
Think this is another great opportunity for the Bucs. At the end of the day this might their best chance yet.
"Are you giving them a chance?" How many football games do you have to watch to realize that's a ridiculous question? I mean, we just saw a 7th seed beat the 2nd seed? As a 49ers fan, I remember 1987 very well. This is a one-game playoff. This isn't the NBA.
2 teams from each conference came off a bye up until about 3 years ago
I’m a Bucs fan and I couldn’t believe how the Eagles had no blitz busters. Their receivers didn’t even look back to the QB much less adjust their routes. Looked like they were just going through the motions. Crazy.
Philly didn't want none of that. We were too fast, physical, and determined, and the Eagles didn't really care to even be there.
I think bucs fans are just happy to have a franchise qb to build around. I can’t think of any in their history of ever having one. They just have to pay Baker for his worth.
The Bucs-Lions game this week is the game to watch. I think it will be closer than a lot of people think. Either team can win. I am a Lions fan but I would not be surprised if the Bucs steal this one.
Don't ever under estimate Todd bowls defense. We have ELITE Players on the defensive side of the ball and our offense has looked great as of late. WE WILL SHOCK THE WORLD AND TURN LIONS TO KITTENS. NO PUN INTENDED. GO BUCS! DONT COUNT US OUT JUST YET.
As a lions fan I think this is going to be a tough game. We can run but TB is really good at stopping the run. Baker is playing well and they have Evans and Godwin and our secondary is ROUGH. The lions will likely be successful stopping the bucs run game. I think it comes down to a bit of home field advantage and if Goff and the offense can handle the pressure and win in the air. We are NOT sleeping on the bucs...could go either way
Coach said it himself, 13 13 13 13 , yeah go ahead and focus on 13, u think they aint got 4 other weapons? lol Bake gonna have a field day
Well I agree about the blitz because I watched those Minnesota games. Literally the most blitzing team right now and the Lions definitely had answers.
Bold of you to assume the bucs will use the same strategy against a completely different team lol
88 million in dead cap 1st year oc mostly young players on defense and a new QB first year of a rebuild. All this is extra if we win great if not oh well still a great season. Go Bucs Fire the cannons 🏴☠️
Exactly. Unlike some teams (New Orleans) who are ALWAYS in cap hell, we were able to be successful in the midst of it and getting CLER of it, at the end of the year. It's been a helluva season for us Buc fans. Couldn't have gone much better. GO BUCS!
Tbh this Tampa bay defense is the same Tampa Bay defense that won a Super Bowl so I’m not too sure it’s going to be a easy win for either team
Somehow network tv doesnt need giant microphones in front of the face.
During the regular season game, Bucs WR's were open downfield all day, but Mayfield overthrew them time and time again.
Pressure is all on the Lions. They may have the better weapons on paper, but psychology is a BIG part of the postseason, and the Lions had better be ready to cope with going behind at some point in the game, and not buckling.
They've had comebacks wins throughout Campbell's tenure. If the Bucs take a lead, the Lions won't panic.
Lions fan. We still have too many weaknesses to take any team lightly. Might have handled them early in the season, but .. 1. both teams are playing completely different ball than then... with different players healthy.. 2. Even back then.. Baker did a good job of getting rid of the ball before getting sacked, and our secondary got lucky but was (and is) suspect.. more than a couple times Evans or one of his cohorts was free alone beyond his defender, only to drop the ball or have it go just out of reach.. That said, if Lions can hold on to the ball, and play complimentary football, with the crowd behind them.. i like our chances this weekend.
Didn't you have a video just like this a week ago about the Rams? Hey, maybe you'll get lucky this week.
Lions were missing half the team against the Bucs earlier this year.
Bucs fan here but man do I feel for Lions fans. At least we have 2 Super Bowl wins in 2 appearances in this century. May the best team win. Go Bucs!!!
In Detroit this week and the Lions fans I talked to are already talking past the Bucs game. They are saying “When we play Green Bay”
Nope, that's not what Detroit fans are saying.
Happy for the Bucs though. They’re exceeding expectations
This isnt complicated.
Detroit fans are acting like they already won and Bucs have no shot.
Im not seeing many Bucs fans saying we will win. Most of us know this will be hard. But we are also playing with house money. We were supposed to win 3 games. All I'll say is keep acting like it will be easy. Were okay with yall thinking that. Maybe you'll win and be right. Detroit is damn good. But remember, you're Detroit. You know what its like to be doubted.
No Detroit fans are saying this is going to be easy. Either way it doesn’t matter, the fans aren’t the ones playing. You best believe DC will have those boys locked in.
Way to set up a win win for yourselfbut don't forget, ITS ALWAYS BEEN DETROIT vs EVERYBODY. Stll doubted, still underdog mentality.
Don't get it twisted I'm stoked for baker and the bucs as well as some of these other slept on teams playing good ball at the right time!
Detroit is NOT acting like they have this won. Fan Campbell will them focused on this game.
I'm a Lions fan. I haven't said that at all. Show your source where everybody is saying it.
No, you are wrong.
I'm a Buccaneers fan since 1982 & the strike they had & losing Doug Williams to the then Washington Redskins but I like Jared Goff & Baker Mayfleild & it's a shame that one of these two great teams that one of them has to lose! I'll route for Lions even if my Buccs lose because of Jared Goffs redemption arc! & their origins being a former Southern Ohio man but both Baker Mayfleild & Jared Goff it would be awesome too see either one of them go all of the way! I'm very happy for the Lions fans that they actually have a great team their now & a promising future & I really don't want too see the 49ers make it especially lol but I don't have anything against the Packers but I'd prefer to see either my Buccs or the Lions snatch the NFC championship game win & be Superbowl bound lol
Maybe that's what they where all along. How bout dem cowboys 😂😂😂
Green Bay throttled Detroit on Thanksgiving, Tampa beat Green Bay in Lambeau a few weeks ago. Look now...
Lions and Bucs. We will see who get a better start into the game.
This aged well.
The referees have to leave this game alone or give equal officiating which they did not provide with the rams vs lions that favored the lions or Dallas vs lions that favored Dallas
Refs messed up a 4th and 5 making the lions punt instead of a lions first down. That's a turnover! Much bigger and more important than a missed PI call. Lions got screwed
Really!? Already getting your built-in excuse ready!? Wow. The self-loathing in Detroit is REAL! LOL!
Can somebody please explain what he was warning Bucs fans about?
That the lions are a way better team then the eagles and if you blitz like you were doing every play you will lose lions will cook you on screens
Easy. Get the officials instructions from the head office.
The Dangerous One is gonna wake up and chose VIOLENCE in Detroit💀💯
James Houston?
BUCCANEERS 🏴☠️ SUPERBOWL… WE SWITCHED UP DA WHOLE DEFENSE,WE A NEW TEAM & OFFENSE HITTING 27-17 BUCCANEERS “W!N”🤣
8 starters out and Monty got injured 13 snaps in. This Lions team is different too bud. I'm glad yall rinsed the Eagles but the Eagles were definitely the weakest playoff team going in. Imo
@JaredBruski we just gonna pretend the Steelers don't exist?
@@danielzimmerman5837 you know I was thinking about them when i submitted but honestly I stand by it. The Steelers at least looked like they were in it. The Eagles at no point in the game looked like they'd get a single flash in the pan to get them back in that game.
Let's go Bucs ...... Watch the upset
🤣🤣🤣
@@powerstrokedude993 He's right ,all the pressure is on the lions.
@@Terry-oj2bi No pressure. Let’s play some football.
@@Terry-oj2biNot nearly the pressure of the last game against the Rams. This is all gravy going forward!
🔮gO🏈🔮HONOLULU🔮🏉🔮BLUE!!!!!!!🔮🏈🔮
The NFL wants the Buffalo Bills and the 49ers to be the faces of the NFL. I guarantee calls will go their ways in both games this weekend. I’m talking about those times teams complete a play to get a 1st down on 3rd down. Look at every single game when these teams play. There is NO way these calls only occur on these plays. This is what wins and loses games. Not a 5 yard penalty on 1st or 2nd down.
Campbells gotta keep Detroit from complacency, Bucs are still a good team.
Stay loud Detroit!
Lions fan here, I think it will be a similar game to the Rams AKA a great offensive shootout.
I think it's similar to the first meeting. Despite the Bucs pass defense, they give up very few points. One of the better scoring defenses in the league. Something like 24-17 Detroit. An offensive "shootout" would be very un-like a Tampa game. They gave up 39 to HOU but the next most was 27 and they average about 19 ppg against. This doesn't "sound" like an offensive fiesta in the making.
I dont think it will be an absolute shootout. But I think it’s going to be great boxing match.
Bucs love to blitz they blitz Hurts almost 70% snaps
Goff is the best QB in the NFL vs Blitz especially when Detroit has all 5 starting olineman
People always say if you pressure Goff he's not the same QB yet who is?
Getting the pressure on Goff is hard part
"Every team this weekend has a chance"...except the Texans.
Buccaneers definitely have a better chance against Lions than 49ers.
Bake n shake baby
Bucs are legit. There’s no such thing as a guaranteed win in the nfl, no matter what matchup it is. Go lions. Bucs are great - lions fan
The eagles 🦅 checked out 7 weeks ago Michigan would have beat them they quit
What I said. They fell of a cliff and stayed down lol
3 years after Brady battled Rodgers in the nfc championship game. Theres a chance it will be the same two teams with Mayfield and Love at qb. Who would have predicted that.
C'mon Rich. We get they are more talented. Baker is the wildcard, he plays well we keep it close. I like his chances in a game winning drive. Receivers gonna destroy that secondary
Anybody can beat anybody
GO!!BUCCS!!
Last week every game had the first one to score won the game....
Houston’s the 4 seed not the 7.
It’s going to be a close game. Both physical teams. I think the Bucs will kick a game winning FG in the final 30 seconds.
The Bucs best chance is the Lions getting caught up in the moment and choke.
The Bucks will be blown out by 14
Milwaukee?
That's what we lost by in the first game so...
I could see the Bucs winning because the Lions Lion like old days.
The lions need to just watch film on Baker.
Goff knows what it’ll take to win.
Buccaneers, like the Cowboys, will come in thinking they have it in the bag….(it’s just Detroit).
Goff wants it bad!! He’s taken notes of his mistakes and figured out to make executive decisions.
LMFAO! Is that what you think or are you trying to talk yourself into believing that! Our Bucs have been mediocre ALL YEAR. At NO POINT has anyone thought they've had it "in the bag". Y'all are a HUGE favorite. And you should be. It's just be a shame if you somehow CHOKED at home. As a huge favorite. That'd be just terrible...