In the reggae world, we frequently have a spring tank on the mixing board. By hand, we strum or hit the springs to create a crashing sound. If you ever wondered what that sound was, there you go.
@@rainbowslushy223 If you want a visual demonstration, look up the reggae group "Mellow Mood." Paolo Baldini does that spring strum in a few of the DubFiles videos.
Glad you experimented with reverb out front. The modern default of "time-based effects go in the loop" has pushed a lot of vintage sounds by the wayside. Delay into the front end is a glorious sound.
Surf rock legend Dick Dale always ran his reverb in the front and his amps were cranked! The breakup and compression of the reverb-ed guitar signal is a fundamental part of surf rock, emphasizing the drip. Just watch out to keep the verb short, because OD and compression lengthen the tail!
Just about the same time that Fender added a reverb tank to it's amps, Ford Motor Company started offering reverb for car radios. At the time, if you wanted to listen to music on your car radio, you were stuck with a crappy AM radio played through a small cheap speaker in the dash. A Spring Reverb tank in your trunk improved the sound to bearable levels for younger drivers. PS. I had a car with an aftermarket tank, playing through an added rear speaker, in the 60's. At the time, I had reverb in my car, and only vibrato in my amp.
The secret to figuring out effects pedal placement can best be summed up with one quote from Josh from JHS Pedals: "Just try stuff." I know some guitarists whose tone I absolutely love, who put Reverb and Delay before their amps, and a lot of guitarists, who follow a more "conventional wisdom" kind of approach
With amps that don't have an effects loop it's the only way to go. It will usually only make a real difference if you drive the amp though. You can of course put a drive pedal behind the reverb if you want to be able to recreate this effect, but want to be able to control it and thus need to keep your amp on a clean setting.
@Johannes Christopher Stähle That's not true. There are indeed other options if your amplifier doesn't have an effects loop. You can use a Fryette Power Station for example. Not only does it give you an effects loop, you also get an attenuator and reactive load for recording.
And once you start thinking about reverb as an effect instead as simulating a physical space, that can open up all kinds of possibilities. Like running the 100% wet reverb in parallel through effects different than your dry signal chain.
That's originally how outboard reverb units were meant to be used, they were built for amps that didn't have reverb built in, and when they were first designed, amps didn't even have effects loops. So an old Traynor reverb unit works wonders going into the front of my '76 Hiwatt.
@@dionr1168 I run my mxr echoplex pedal in front of the amp just like Van Halen did like said above, you just need to keep the volume real low to keep it from being overpowering
Yeah!!! No friggin loop in older amps!! We walked 5 miles to school and we had no loops. I still don't have a loop now but I never use my old tube amp anymore anyway. Only really nice expensive amps made past like the mid to late 80s started having loops and if it was a combo, it had a tank. I think he knows better but what do I know, I'm too old to have grown up in a day where every amp has a loop. Also, thats alot of loops in that comment. Too many ...LOOP!!!!!
As a surf player, there's one important correction I'd like to make: It's _not_ easy to do this on modern DSPs. Until very very recently, every substitute for an outboard tube spring tank was a big compromise. Because reverb is a chaotic effect and fiendishly difficult digitally recreate convincingly. This last generation has things like the UA Golden Reverberator and the Source Audio True Spring (and it's daddy, the Ventris Reverb). These are a huge leap ahead of previous attempts to produce a convincing dripping reverb. But... The best way to do this is with reverb impulse responses. These can genuinely be indistinguishable from the real thing. But most guitar players haven't been asking for them. The Logidy Epsi did this a while back, but disappeared, and people have been heartbreakingly been using them as cab IR loaders (cab IRs last microseconds. Reverb IRs go on for many seconds at a time in some cases and normal cabl IR loaders will cut them off almost before they start). So people have been using reverb IRs to completely fool the brain for years in their DAWs. But only now with the Poly Effects Beebo (3sec verb IR support) and more fundamentally the MOD Devices Duo X and Dwarf (15sec reverbs) is this really a thing. I'm going to be selling my True Spring to get the Mod Dwarf, which is now the best reverb pedal in the world (it also does a vast amount of other stuff, so the decision is easy). Outboard tanks are great of course. But they're costly, fragile, high-maintenance, and often have to be isolated from stage vibration.
Reverb to distortion is great. It opens some new door when you think reverb as tail generator. This comes from a synth guy though, not sure how guitar will react.
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Thanks for the video, Colin! As another spring reverb lover I truly appreciate it. With all the digital stuff and simulation they don't get the deserved attention these times anymore...
@@growskullsure you would, that’s why there are other reverbs no shoegaze uses one. Just use it to build your texture. Nothing else sounds the same/has the character of a spring reverb. Do I would want it but I’m bad. I have several amps with a spring tank and regardless of genre unless I have to I leave it dimed. Blues? Dimed. Rock, hard rock, punk metal? Dimed. I can add other sounds/effects including other reverbs but I just leave the spring verb up until I actually can’t. But I like some atmosphere and swamp.
I’ve been using a spring reverb in hardcore and death metal bands for years and I love how it sounds, I’m definitely gonna try running it in front to see how it sounds though
This can be taken even further! A reverb (especially with pre-delay) just before some gentle overdrive becomes exceptionally colorful super quickly! Since drive/fuzz/distortion is a form of compression, this also creates a fun ducking effect.
Commenting to raise engagement in the eyes of the Whims of The RUclips Algorithm :) Seriously though, from the first line this is a great explanation of Reverb generally and Spring Reverb specifically Anyway, I'm glad I no longer have to run my reverb in the effects loop because it's been getting crowded since that's where you told me to put my Metalzone :)
I knew about (and do) run reverb before other effects in some of the configurations on my Plethora X5 - but I didn't know about the AnaSounds Element, so it was still worthwhile to watch this. Added to my wish list instead of a Surfybear.
Haha brilliant. The guy from Tame Impala does that a lot, and I must say the Blues Driver is indeed a really cool overdrive to put after a spring reverb. Great texture. About to board in a plane to Edinburgh. Perhaps I'll see you in a pub there and get you a pint for all the good videos.
You absolutely nailed the surf tone. That's awesome. Now I want to hear some metal riffs with that tone. Next, figure out the tone from "Spirit in the Sky". That has got to be the most metal tone ever recorded.
Jordon Bosstone for Greenbaum's Spirit In The Sky-- JHS makes a version of that fuzz circuit called the Plugin. I've been wanting one after hearing the demos. Haven't pulled the trigger yet.
I saw a guy make a reverb with a styrofoam cooler lid and some bolts. pretty trippy. my favorite home made reverb is always going to be the garden hose/garbage can, though.
One pedal with a three way switch to select Summer/Fall/Winter voicings. Winter would sound cold and in a small space. Like an ice cave. Summer would have to be Festival Reverb - huge and open. Fall would be dark & dank. Ominous & kinda scary.
I recently acquired a Spaceman Orion. Beautiful real spring reverb in pedal form. A bit pricey since they don’t make them anymore. Still a nice addition to my collection. There’s something about real springs that just can’t be emulated digitally. Some come close, but there ain’t nothing like the real thing.
The Fender Vibro King has the reverb (a three-knobber) as its' front end, ahead of the rest of the preamp. Interestingly, the Mix control allows panning from full reverb/wet to full dry.
Back when I had my Valvestate 8080 and Amstrad 4-track (both now "lang deed"), I used to feed everything through the amp. I don't think the Amstrang had a send/return for effects, but the Marshall worked like a preamp of sorts (on the vocal mic anyway). Loved putting my drum machine (actually a Yamaha keyboard) through it with plenty of reverbbbbbbbbbb at times. Sweet.
I run EVERYTHING in front of my amp! I have a massive pedal board in front of my amp and it has THREE different reverb pedals. A Oceans 11, a True Spring Reverb and a Kafka. While there is a bit of overlap, they all do something the other two cannot. This one ran long but is pretty detailed, just giving you, the reader, a heads up.😜 I have twelve pedals on a Gator Extra Large pedal board. My main effects are overdrive, reverb, and delay. I have three pedals of each effect as well as a tuner pedal, a chorus pedal and a small flanger. The signal path is Boss TU-3, then a Big Muff (AA), Oceans 11, True Spring, Kafka, Ibanez Echo Shifter, Daddy O (AA), Dan-Echo (AA), Dan-Echo (AA) (yes I have two Dan-Echos), Cool Cat (18 volt model), Stax Micro sized Flanger, and a Rat (AA). The (AA) designation means that they are Alchemy Audio modified pedals, usually with a chip selection modification switch and a Dead Bat option (Big Muff and Rat) which simulates a dying battery by draining the voltage through that one effect. The Kafka is hand made in Germany and has a very nice dark reverb. Think of a moody Chris Isaak or Wire on their 154 album. I love Dan Electro pedals going back to the 90s. I have two Dan-Echos going into each other because it is a Slap Back setting going into a Space Echo setting. Talk about Psychedelic Intergalactic Rockabilly!!! 😳😉😎👍✨ This board is my "One Board to Rule them All" project during the Pandemic back in 20-21. I wanted a one stop shop for the tones I like. I run this in front of an early Yamaha amp that is a solid state version of a Twin. I did upgrade the cheapo speakers (it was revived before I got it with cheapo 12s in it) to a cool set of Eminence speakers I bought used. That warmed the sound up significantly! The Ibanez Echo Shifter is to mess around and do the crazy UFO sounds. The one pedal that was a happy accident was the Stax Flanger as I originally bought it to loop through the Kafka but it did not sound great. But it sounds pretty darn good towards the end of the chain. The underside of the board is really cool. I bought a flat multi purpose power strip that has USB ports too. I directly routed the power cables and bundled them together under the board in a way where they are zip tied down to anchors. I have two Gator Power Bricks under the board with 13 available jacks. I also had to use a few wall warts too under the board as the milliamp draw on some of the pedals were too much for the Bricks to handle. I had the great idea to also run around the bottom of the board a LED television light strip so I could have a cool effect. I needed the USB port for that and the other cool feature is I can charge my phone off my pedal board too!😜 When I put this together it was not in one go. It took about 18 months to get it together as shipping was glacially slow. What I ended up with is quite an elevated board mixed with Boutique and near Boutique (Alchemy Audio modded) pedals as well as tried and true pedals. For the genres I cover, this does them all with the exception of the really out there Shoegaze stuff. I have a plan for that soon. I would say the two drawbacks of this project is that it weighs as much as a Twin sized amp does and is also as big as a Twin sized amp. The Stax Flanger is the only cheap micro sized pedal and it works and sounds great and everything I could want in a flanger as I barely use it. All these pedals are full sized which explains the weight and the size of the board. The price I paid was nuts (did not keep track of everything but exceeded $1600 and that was with some really low prices on the True Spring and Cool Cat) but looking at this board now, I am sure it would be more now with both shipping and individual pedal prices going up. So silver lining, I am glad I did it when I did. I feel the same way about my record collection I bought years ago at prices that now seems cheap or reasonable.😋 If you want a board and to do it right, get EXACTLY what you want. Take your time and buy quality components. Don't cheap out on the power supply or the cables. That said you do not have to buy things that are the most expensive either. At the end of the day you have a setup that does exactly what you want. I do have an older, smaller, pedal board that is mainly Dan Electro and DOD pedals. I also have other pedals that are not on any board. Buy what works for you and make sure you temper that desire for buying the newest or most boutique pedal. I will point out that if you are chasing the Tone Dragon of your heroes, they are probably just useing common effects like Boss, DOD, or Electro Harmonix pedals... not always but usually.😉👍✨
i have ana sounds with all three tank sizes. they all sound similar to me. event the stubby 6" tank has great decay. i also have tk imperial. ana sounds set up has more reverb imo than tk. i use ana sound reverb in the front always simply because my amps a are loopless! lol. sounds great to my ears. btw, you can get ana sounds direct from factory only(at least when i bought mine.) i was skeptical, they are from france, a few days shipping and it arrived, no issues.
Hey Colin I'm a pickup winder and after Glenn Fricker kicked the pickup winders proverbial hornets nest I'm working on an experiment to eduction people on pickups that would be much better suited to your platform. The question is how much do pickups effect tone so as a winder yourself you could wind two humbuckers with extremely different EQs ....a low output ceramic and a high output Alnico 3. I'd like to see how extreme can the EQ be and I think it will prove how much pickups effect tone....just an idea for you mate I offered to wind some for Glenn but his scepticism outweighs his curiosity 😂
Hi Colin. Could you perhaps engineer a series of random number generators that can select the following from your home collection: guitar, pedal, amp, musical style, and drink. There's some engineering stuff you could say about why things work/fail but also how something like Buckie has impedance characteristics that inhibit people from playing John Mayer slo-jams and is far better suited to Grindcore. An engineering schematic on the gear, but also one on the person playing and how they are compromising the playing by drinking too much.
I have a spring reverb in the reverb section of my Boss ME-80, so it comes before my pre amp, but I always use a falt EQ on my amp anyway bc I have thr EQ on my ME-80 which comes before the reverb anyway
I have an Anasounds Reverb with the short spring and the long one. I have always connected it last in in string of effects, ie, wah, overdrive/distortion then reverb in the traditional method. You are saying place in front rather than after? I will try this. Yours sounded really good. The Anasounds unit is a good reverb effects unit, the best one can get that is a separate add-on. The Danolectric Spring King is a good one too. I bought one for my daughter and it sounds good too, at 1/3 the price.
I put my delay in the effects loop for a long time. But I got tired of having to carry a bushel of chords for 1 amp when I started playing a stereo setup. Sounds great either way
... what reminds me of this non pedal size pedal with a full size spring tank inside for surf music guys ... forgot the name however, but it's just the size a a small pedal board.
"stuck in the logical mindest that reverb always comes last" The FX loop isn't the end either- besides all the studio people doing it with plugins in post after the mic, you can also put it post IR when running direct- makes everything sound less boxy.
I removed the spring tank from my fender champion amp and put it separately as it could get a kind of feedback from the speaker. Its cool to see someone making a spring tank but why so short?, springs are not expensive surely.
The only effects i use on my pedal steel besides a little overdrive every now and then is reverb and delay. I always run them through the front of an amp. My amp (peavey nashville 1000) has loops before and after the eq, and one in the power section. I never use them. Ive experimented a few times running my volume pedal throu a loop, and didnt like it.
I recently moved into a flat with wood floors and it changed everything about my sound, suddenly my reverb and delays seemed much less necessary than they were in my previous carpeted room.
There is nothing preventing plate being used in this way other than logistics and expense. Spring was the compact cheap solution which allowed guitarists to experiment with reverb placement. Plate is enormous, heavy, and expensive. They were the tool of studio engineers who the money and space for them, as such they were pretty much exclusively used as a post effect - capturing a sound and then running it through the plate. But if you wanted to run a plate into an amplifier, I'm sure it could be done.
In my opinion reverb being mixed too low and fear of too much reverb is one of the greatest things holding modern guitarists back. Producers and mixers are not afraid to just lather it on thick (trust me I'm a mix engineer) and guitarists shouldn't either. Amp manufacturers need to get with the program with their weak reverb mixes.
This legitimately makes me feel better about consciously doing "too much" reverb for aesthetic purposes, haha. I've even considered recording an old-school bathroom reverb (with speakers and a mic) to add another layer of it for certain parts
@@thatoneguybones8036 That's not at all why people do it. People do it because it adds a pad to the song, and smears things together. That's not making flub unnoticeable, it's making the song sound bigger. All things should serve the song, and often that does mean having a decent amount of reverb on electric guitars.
Sometimes you write the correct words in the script, rehearse the correct words, then run the line several times to get decent delivery and only the next day when you start editing do you realise you said a different, non existent word by mistake and it's not worth going back to fix it. At least I didn't say 'actually' three times a sentence like everyone else on the internet...
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In the reggae world, we frequently have a spring tank on the mixing board. By hand, we strum or hit the springs to create a crashing sound. If you ever wondered what that sound was, there you go.
So lush!
What?!? I knew surf guys did that but I didn’t know engineers used them like that so cool
@@rainbowslushy223 If you want a visual demonstration, look up the reggae group "Mellow Mood." Paolo Baldini does that spring strum in a few of the DubFiles videos.
Try connecting the imperials pan to the ana sounds.
What the heck do you know about spring rever....... Oh it's you drip master, my apologies
@@flargenz
Drrrrriiippp-uh…
The goat of drip has spoken :D
my tk imperial or ana sound does not drip? can they?
“Show me”
Glad you experimented with reverb out front. The modern default of "time-based effects go in the loop" has pushed a lot of vintage sounds by the wayside. Delay into the front end is a glorious sound.
Surf rock legend Dick Dale always ran his reverb in the front and his amps were cranked! The breakup and compression of the reverb-ed guitar signal is a fundamental part of surf rock, emphasizing the drip. Just watch out to keep the verb short, because OD and compression lengthen the tail!
Just about the same time that Fender added a reverb tank to it's amps, Ford Motor Company started offering reverb for car radios. At the time, if you wanted to listen to music on your car radio, you were stuck with a crappy AM radio played through a small cheap speaker in the dash. A Spring Reverb tank in your trunk improved the sound to bearable levels for younger drivers.
PS. I had a car with an aftermarket tank, playing through an added rear speaker, in the 60's. At the time, I had reverb in my car, and only vibrato in my amp.
The secret to figuring out effects pedal placement can best be summed up with one quote from Josh from JHS Pedals: "Just try stuff." I know some guitarists whose tone I absolutely love, who put Reverb and Delay before their amps, and a lot of guitarists, who follow a more "conventional wisdom" kind of approach
With amps that don't have an effects loop it's the only way to go. It will usually only make a real difference if you drive the amp though. You can of course put a drive pedal behind the reverb if you want to be able to recreate this effect, but want to be able to control it and thus need to keep your amp on a clean setting.
@Johannes Christopher Stähle That's not true. There are indeed other options if your amplifier doesn't have an effects loop. You can use a Fryette Power Station for example. Not only does it give you an effects loop, you also get an attenuator and reactive load for recording.
And once you start thinking about reverb as an effect instead as simulating a physical space, that can open up all kinds of possibilities. Like running the 100% wet reverb in parallel through effects different than your dry signal chain.
This is so much fun to do. I love pushing wet reverb in a harmonic tremolo (EQD Nightwire) or any modation. So much fun!
That's originally how outboard reverb units were meant to be used, they were built for amps that didn't have reverb built in, and when they were first designed, amps didn't even have effects loops. So an old Traynor reverb unit works wonders going into the front of my '76 Hiwatt.
Which reminds me, how did guitarists set their tape delay units without the benefit of an effects loop back in the day?
@@dionr1168 In front of the amp, how else? I don't follow.
@@dionr1168 If you're thinking delay doesn't sound good unless it's in the loop, go listen to the first Van Halen record.
@@dionr1168 I run my mxr echoplex pedal in front of the amp just like Van Halen did like said above, you just need to keep the volume real low to keep it from being overpowering
Yeah!!! No friggin loop in older amps!!
We walked 5 miles to school and we had no loops. I still don't have a loop now but I never use my old tube amp anymore anyway. Only really nice expensive amps made past like the mid to late 80s started having loops and if it was a combo, it had a tank. I think he knows better but what do I know, I'm too old to have grown up in a day where every amp has a loop.
Also, thats alot of loops in that comment. Too many ...LOOP!!!!!
As a surf player, there's one important correction I'd like to make: It's _not_ easy to do this on modern DSPs. Until very very recently, every substitute for an outboard tube spring tank was a big compromise. Because reverb is a chaotic effect and fiendishly difficult digitally recreate convincingly. This last generation has things like the UA Golden Reverberator and the Source Audio True Spring (and it's daddy, the Ventris Reverb). These are a huge leap ahead of previous attempts to produce a convincing dripping reverb. But...
The best way to do this is with reverb impulse responses. These can genuinely be indistinguishable from the real thing. But most guitar players haven't been asking for them. The Logidy Epsi did this a while back, but disappeared, and people have been heartbreakingly been using them as cab IR loaders (cab IRs last microseconds. Reverb IRs go on for many seconds at a time in some cases and normal cabl IR loaders will cut them off almost before they start).
So people have been using reverb IRs to completely fool the brain for years in their DAWs. But only now with the Poly Effects Beebo (3sec verb IR support) and more fundamentally the MOD Devices Duo X and Dwarf (15sec reverbs) is this really a thing.
I'm going to be selling my True Spring to get the Mod Dwarf, which is now the best reverb pedal in the world (it also does a vast amount of other stuff, so the decision is easy). Outboard tanks are great of course. But they're costly, fragile, high-maintenance, and often have to be isolated from stage vibration.
How does the mod dwarf compare to the anasounds
Do you know where can o find free spring reverb irs or good vst plugins?
Reverb to distortion is great. It opens some new door when you think reverb as tail generator. This comes from a synth guy though, not sure how guitar will react.
Here's a thing I recently figured out about Spring Reverb...
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Thanks for the video, Colin! As another spring reverb lover I truly appreciate it. With all the digital stuff and simulation they don't get the deserved attention these times anymore...
Colin: Logically, reverb should come last
Every shoegaze guitarist: lolwut?
The sound of reverb crisping up on a driven amp. :chef's kiss:
i don't think any shoegazer would be seen using any reverb as subtle as spring lol
@@growskullsure you would, that’s why there are other reverbs no shoegaze uses one. Just use it to build your texture. Nothing else sounds the same/has the character of a spring reverb. Do I would want it but I’m bad. I have several amps with a spring tank and regardless of genre unless I have to I leave it dimed. Blues? Dimed. Rock, hard rock, punk metal? Dimed. I can add other sounds/effects including other reverbs but I just leave the spring verb up until I actually can’t. But I like some atmosphere and swamp.
Do you also compulsively play Ritchie Blackmore riffs when holding a Strat? Because I feel like I could start a support group.
I’ve been using a spring reverb in hardcore and death metal bands for years and I love how it sounds, I’m definitely gonna try running it in front to see how it sounds though
Me too..i use it on orange crush 20rt,just below half,around 10 o'clock. What are your settings??
@@dr.0995 i also have the reverb set to 10 o’clock, I feel like it livens up the sound just enough without overdoing the reverb
@@skylerrizzi Yes. Perfect for live and recording, and better than hall reverb
This man needs to be protected at all costs 🎉
Protected? Do you know something we don't?
Run, Colin!
Danelectro once marketed a spring tank with a kick pad for impromptu accenting. I always wanted one for my rig 😭
This can be taken even further! A reverb (especially with pre-delay) just before some gentle overdrive becomes exceptionally colorful super quickly! Since drive/fuzz/distortion is a form of compression, this also creates a fun ducking effect.
I LOOOVEEE that you chose @MALINDA s Spanish Cathedral video as example ❤
Commenting to raise engagement in the eyes of the Whims of The RUclips Algorithm :)
Seriously though, from the first line this is a great explanation of Reverb generally and Spring Reverb specifically
Anyway, I'm glad I no longer have to run my reverb in the effects loop because it's been getting crowded since that's where you told me to put my Metalzone :)
I knew about (and do) run reverb before other effects in some of the configurations on my Plethora X5 - but I didn't know about the AnaSounds Element, so it was still worthwhile to watch this. Added to my wish list instead of a Surfybear.
Thank you for everything you do.
I love running delays and verbs into the front of the amp, even a dirty amp. It sounds just... chaotic and amazing, hahaha.
I just recently started putting saturation after plate/algorithmic reverbs in my digital sound design and I love it!
Haha brilliant. The guy from Tame Impala does that a lot, and I must say the Blues Driver is indeed a really cool overdrive to put after a spring reverb. Great texture. About to board in a plane to Edinburgh. Perhaps I'll see you in a pub there and get you a pint for all the good videos.
You absolutely nailed the surf tone. That's awesome. Now I want to hear some metal riffs with that tone.
Next, figure out the tone from "Spirit in the Sky". That has got to be the most metal tone ever recorded.
Jordon Bosstone for Greenbaum's Spirit In The Sky-- JHS makes a version of that fuzz circuit called the Plugin. I've been wanting one after hearing the demos. Haven't pulled the trigger yet.
It was Russell DaShiell playing a Stratocaster.
Nice bit of Purple in the demo, not a well known track to play. Awesome!
I saw a guy make a reverb with a styrofoam cooler lid and some bolts. pretty trippy.
my favorite home made reverb is always going to be the garden hose/garbage can, though.
Cool. I always wondered why I heard so little difference in the various settings of most amps reverbs, thanks Colin, good to know it isn't my ears.
But what about Summer, Winter and Fall reverb ???? 🤷♂️
😂
One pedal with a three way switch to select Summer/Fall/Winter voicings. Winter would sound cold and in a small space. Like an ice cave. Summer would have to be Festival Reverb - huge and open. Fall would be dark & dank. Ominous & kinda scary.
Glad to see you back. I was about to send out the St. Bernards, loaded with Ardbeg. Now I can drink it myself.
I recently acquired a Spaceman Orion. Beautiful real spring reverb in pedal form. A bit pricey since they don’t make them anymore. Still a nice addition to my collection. There’s something about real springs that just can’t be emulated digitally. Some come close, but there ain’t nothing like the real thing.
The Fender Vibro King has the reverb (a three-knobber) as its' front end, ahead of the rest of the preamp. Interestingly, the Mix control allows panning from full reverb/wet to full dry.
In addition to that the Element has a switch that will distort the reverb sound, which is really fun to use !
Back when I had my Valvestate 8080 and Amstrad 4-track (both now "lang deed"), I used to feed everything through the amp. I don't think the Amstrang had a send/return for effects, but the Marshall worked like a preamp of sorts (on the vocal mic anyway). Loved putting my drum machine (actually a Yamaha keyboard) through it with plenty of reverbbbbbbbbbb at times. Sweet.
Listen to Peter Green’s reverb on The Supernatural and I Loved Another Woman. Now that’s reverb!
The way i love to use my Fender Spring Reverb emulator pedal is to put it before the amp and it sound amazing and surfy! Love it
I run EVERYTHING in front of my amp! I have a massive pedal board in front of my amp and it has THREE different reverb pedals. A Oceans 11, a True Spring Reverb and a Kafka. While there is a bit of overlap, they all do something the other two cannot.
This one ran long but is pretty detailed, just giving you, the reader, a heads up.😜
I have twelve pedals on a Gator Extra Large pedal board. My main effects are overdrive, reverb, and delay. I have three pedals of each effect as well as a tuner pedal, a chorus pedal and a small flanger.
The signal path is Boss TU-3, then a Big Muff (AA), Oceans 11, True Spring, Kafka, Ibanez Echo Shifter, Daddy O (AA), Dan-Echo (AA), Dan-Echo (AA) (yes I have two Dan-Echos), Cool Cat (18 volt model), Stax Micro sized Flanger, and a Rat (AA).
The (AA) designation means that they are Alchemy Audio modified pedals, usually with a chip selection modification switch and a Dead Bat option (Big Muff and Rat) which simulates a dying battery by draining the voltage through that one effect. The Kafka is hand made in Germany and has a very nice dark reverb. Think of a moody Chris Isaak or Wire on their 154 album. I love Dan Electro pedals going back to the 90s. I have two Dan-Echos going into each other because it is a Slap Back setting going into a Space Echo setting. Talk about Psychedelic Intergalactic Rockabilly!!! 😳😉😎👍✨
This board is my "One Board to Rule them All" project during the Pandemic back in 20-21. I wanted a one stop shop for the tones I like. I run this in front of an early Yamaha amp that is a solid state version of a Twin. I did upgrade the cheapo speakers (it was revived before I got it with cheapo 12s in it) to a cool set of Eminence speakers I bought used. That warmed the sound up significantly! The Ibanez Echo Shifter is to mess around and do the crazy UFO sounds. The one pedal that was a happy accident was the Stax Flanger as I originally bought it to loop through the Kafka but it did not sound great. But it sounds pretty darn good towards the end of the chain.
The underside of the board is really cool. I bought a flat multi purpose power strip that has USB ports too. I directly routed the power cables and bundled them together under the board in a way where they are zip tied down to anchors. I have two Gator Power Bricks under the board with 13 available jacks. I also had to use a few wall warts too under the board as the milliamp draw on some of the pedals were too much for the Bricks to handle. I had the great idea to also run around the bottom of the board a LED television light strip so I could have a cool effect. I needed the USB port for that and the other cool feature is I can charge my phone off my pedal board too!😜
When I put this together it was not in one go. It took about 18 months to get it together as shipping was glacially slow. What I ended up with is quite an elevated board mixed with Boutique and near Boutique (Alchemy Audio modded) pedals as well as tried and true pedals. For the genres I cover, this does them all with the exception of the really out there Shoegaze stuff. I have a plan for that soon.
I would say the two drawbacks of this project is that it weighs as much as a Twin sized amp does and is also as big as a Twin sized amp. The Stax Flanger is the only cheap micro sized pedal and it works and sounds great and everything I could want in a flanger as I barely use it. All these pedals are full sized which explains the weight and the size of the board.
The price I paid was nuts (did not keep track of everything but exceeded $1600 and that was with some really low prices on the True Spring and Cool Cat) but looking at this board now, I am sure it would be more now with both shipping and individual pedal prices going up. So silver lining, I am glad I did it when I did. I feel the same way about my record collection I bought years ago at prices that now seems cheap or reasonable.😋
If you want a board and to do it right, get EXACTLY what you want. Take your time and buy quality components. Don't cheap out on the power supply or the cables. That said you do not have to buy things that are the most expensive either. At the end of the day you have a setup that does exactly what you want.
I do have an older, smaller, pedal board that is mainly Dan Electro and DOD pedals. I also have other pedals that are not on any board. Buy what works for you and make sure you temper that desire for buying the newest or most boutique pedal. I will point out that if you are chasing the Tone Dragon of your heroes, they are probably just useing common effects like Boss, DOD, or Electro Harmonix pedals... not always but usually.😉👍✨
The fact that someone years ago thought about running your guitar through a spring and boom spring reverb happens blows my mind.
Best metal/surf riff ever
Nice little DP reference
A great crashing spring effect, the song Magneto by The Messer Chups.
i have ana sounds with all three tank sizes. they all sound similar to me. event the stubby 6" tank has great decay. i also have tk imperial. ana sounds set up has more reverb imo than tk. i use ana sound reverb in the front always simply because my amps a are loopless! lol. sounds great to my ears. btw, you can get ana sounds direct from factory only(at least when i bought mine.) i was skeptical, they are from france, a few days shipping and it arrived, no issues.
Hey Colin I'm a pickup winder and after Glenn Fricker kicked the pickup winders proverbial hornets nest I'm working on an experiment to eduction people on pickups that would be much better suited to your platform. The question is how much do pickups effect tone so as a winder yourself you could wind two humbuckers with extremely different EQs ....a low output ceramic and a high output Alnico 3. I'd like to see how extreme can the EQ be and I think it will prove how much pickups effect tone....just an idea for you mate I offered to wind some for Glenn but his scepticism outweighs his curiosity 😂
Some tasty Deep Purple going on there!
I think Spring (an maybe Plate) Reverb and Spacial effects are the difference in goal when it comes to 'Verbs' (chamber, church, etc.)
Hi Colin. Could you perhaps engineer a series of random number generators that can select the following from your home collection: guitar, pedal, amp, musical style, and drink. There's some engineering stuff you could say about why things work/fail but also how something like Buckie has impedance characteristics that inhibit people from playing John Mayer slo-jams and is far better suited to Grindcore.
An engineering schematic on the gear, but also one on the person playing and how they are compromising the playing by drinking too much.
Nice strat. I got the same one, but in HSS.
I learned that you can hear it in the summer and fall.
I have a spring reverb in the reverb section of my Boss ME-80, so it comes before my pre amp, but I always use a falt EQ on my amp anyway bc I have thr EQ on my ME-80 which comes before the reverb anyway
I learned something new there 👍
Tank you
Killer video! That strat sound is missing something but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Now I know how to get that splashy sound in Johnny Cash's "Tennessee Flat-Top Box."
Shoegaze and blackgaze uses exclusively reverb in the front of amp and distortion. Creating extreme sound change on guitar.
I have an Anasounds Reverb with the short spring and the long one. I have always connected it last in in string of effects, ie, wah, overdrive/distortion then reverb in the traditional method. You are saying place in front rather than after? I will try this. Yours sounded really good. The Anasounds unit is a good reverb effects unit, the best one can get that is a separate add-on. The Danolectric Spring King is a good one too. I bought one for my daughter and it sounds good too, at 1/3 the price.
I put my delay in the effects loop for a long time. But I got tired of having to carry a bushel of chords for 1 amp when I started playing a stereo setup. Sounds great either way
... what reminds me of this non pedal size pedal with a full size spring tank inside for surf music guys ... forgot the name however, but it's just the size a a small pedal board.
Strange Kinda riff bro...I love it, I need it.
"stuck in the logical mindest that reverb always comes last"
The FX loop isn't the end either- besides all the studio people doing it with plugins in post after the mic, you can also put it post IR when running direct- makes everything sound less boxy.
Acoustic characteristic of a space can sometimes be nonlinear, so adding distortion after the reverb might make sense...?
Before or after? I say you should have run both!!!
I agree!!!
Here because of Glenn from Spectresoundstudios.
I removed the spring tank from my fender champion amp and put it separately as it could get a kind of feedback from the speaker. Its cool to see someone making a spring tank but why so short?, springs are not expensive surely.
I would love to hear you talk about fenders new pickups. the CuNiFe pickups
I believe Neil Young runs reverb into the front of his amp and he has one of the greatest electric guitar sounds going
The red Strat was completely appropriate, Hank.
Put a reverb pedal before a fuzz, instant shoegaze tone!
RIP CGS! Very SAD loss to the YT guitar scene! \m/
The only effects i use on my pedal steel besides a little overdrive every now and then is reverb and delay. I always run them through the front of an amp. My amp (peavey nashville 1000) has loops before and after the eq, and one in the power section. I never use them. Ive experimented a few times running my volume pedal throu a loop, and didnt like it.
Then get really wild and pump the reverb into delay into front of amp!
I recently moved into a flat with wood floors and it changed everything about my sound, suddenly my reverb and delays seemed much less necessary than they were in my previous carpeted room.
Can plate reverb be used in the same way? Very interesting stuff. 🎸
There is nothing preventing plate being used in this way other than logistics and expense.
Spring was the compact cheap solution which allowed guitarists to experiment with reverb placement.
Plate is enormous, heavy, and expensive. They were the tool of studio engineers who the money and space for them, as such they were pretty much exclusively used as a post effect - capturing a sound and then running it through the plate.
But if you wanted to run a plate into an amplifier, I'm sure it could be done.
@@ScienceofLoud I think Rob Scallon did that once! And then lamented that the plate wouldn't fit in his house if I recall, haha
I'm trying to get this tone on my strat for ages
Any advices to get this "nasty strat sound"?
In my opinion reverb being mixed too low and fear of too much reverb is one of the greatest things holding modern guitarists back. Producers and mixers are not afraid to just lather it on thick (trust me I'm a mix engineer) and guitarists shouldn't either. Amp manufacturers need to get with the program with their weak reverb mixes.
This legitimately makes me feel better about consciously doing "too much" reverb for aesthetic purposes, haha. I've even considered recording an old-school bathroom reverb (with speakers and a mic) to add another layer of it for certain parts
@@thatoneguybones8036 That's not at all why people do it. People do it because it adds a pad to the song, and smears things together. That's not making flub unnoticeable, it's making the song sound bigger. All things should serve the song, and often that does mean having a decent amount of reverb on electric guitars.
OK Colin, you just picked up a new subscriber,you have lots of info and you have a nice mom strat plus too ,yeah stock pu's had to go
I thought the point of the anasound reverb was that it was modular and you had different length spring tanks...
Now run it into a metalzone
That’s how EVERYONE used outboard reverb.
Spring reverb is my opp fr
Try Princeton Reverb at its minimum setting - and surf like there's no tomorrow ;)
just try stuff!
I'm not familiar with your channel, but I'll be soon 😉 What is this fantastic looking and sounding red Strat ?
Found. Player Plus Top.
You can find out a little more about that specific guitar in this video: ruclips.net/video/rbVnhdy4Jfo/видео.html
@@ScienceofLoud Thank you for your response! Cheers
This is how I use my vanAmps sole-mate
I have one of those. Had mine customized with a separate wet output. Don't think the company exists anymore.
It makes you wonder: who came up with the idea of using a spring for reverb (ditto for plate reverb)?
Colin : ... let me tell you what I found out about Spring Reverb from Surfy players.
Ryan enters the chat.
just can't beat a spring
if you slow the video to .75 speed at 4:20 you get longer reverb
Ahh behold the power of a …. Lil spring? Electricity does crazy things!
I’m also something that doesn’t occur naturally, Muhahaha
revelationary
Sometimes you write the correct words in the script, rehearse the correct words, then run the line several times to get decent delivery and only the next day when you start editing do you realise you said a different, non existent word by mistake and it's not worth going back to fix it.
At least I didn't say 'actually' three times a sentence like everyone else on the internet...
I think you should build a Fender Twin clone but instead of spring reverb, put a plate reverb in it. 😆
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3:30 now that’s what I call shoegaze.
run reverb into tremolo...
Jeez, Colin. That's a good "stinky cheese" face
Your amp only goes to 9? Mine goes to 10, so it's 1 louder. ;)
....shhhhhh, don't tell Colin Mr. Van Halen was running an Echoplex in front of a cranked Marshall, heads will explode otherwise.........
Now try it with a baritone and even more distortion. You might want to bring a 6 gun and martini just to be safe though
I put everything through the front of the amp lol.