What Makes Neck PICKUPS Different? | Too Afraid To Ask
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Just how different are neck and bridge position pickups? Is it only their placement under the string that produces divergent sounds, or do changes to the design and construction play a role?
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Just how different are neck and bridge position pickups? Is it only their placement under the string that produces divergent sounds, or do changes to the design and construction play a role?
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Came to learn about pickup trucks... still not left disappointed 👍
Peck-op trocks
Is it Toyota Truck Month again?
I didn't even know Colin had an acoustic guitar lol
I believe it’s calleds a Grandpa’s guitars.
@@johnmaynes7142 and grandpa is a badass🤘
The pickup slant especially the reverse (Jimi Hendrix style) slant is a subject that is not well covered on RUclips. I'll definitely be waiting for Colin's video on that!
It definitely changes the tone. My experience with P-bass pickups shows the traditional way gets a fat bottom & a cutting top, but some like Ibanez reverse them for a smooth top & a tight bottom.
@@mauricemusician7636 I always thought it would have been more sensible for strat bridge pickups to be reverse slanted to tame the ice pick sound of the high string and balance the bottom end of the low ones. I especially like the Ibanez Paul Gilbert models that have the reverse slant, but never got to play one. Let this become a large enough thread to get Colin's attention!!!
@@Fawkes1978 you have to remember when the strat was created. Back in the 50s, in order to get good, clear sound on recordings, instruments needed to be much brighter than they need to be today, and amplifiers weren't as loud, so they needed to be able to cut through the band more easily when playing live since they couldn't just turn up the volume. So to compensate for the smaller string size and therefore lower volume, Leo Fender also tilted the pickup at that angle to increase the brightness of the high strings and accentuate the lows on the bass strings. The angle came about in the first place because on the prototype for the Telecaster, he used a lap steel pickup which was way too wide, so to keep the pole pieces under the strings he needed to angle it. The first part of my comment is just how he came to the conclusion of which angle to pick.
I installed a bridge pickup like that some 30 years ago. It certainly adds more "meat" to the unwound strings, but at the cost of solid bottom. In the end, not my cup of tea. I switched it back, the way Leo intended it.
Me too
I like to open up another can of worms by changing the pole height on each pickup in addition to overall pickup height and resistance.
Not an answer but according to Dylan Talks Tone, Seth Lover and Gibson were “forced” to use adjustable screws as pickup poles on the humbucker because they assumed (I think is how it goes) people were used to the P-90s which had adjustable pieces.
You should be in charge of 5he BBC . There remit from day one was and is "inform, educate and entertain". You certainly always hit that with your videos. Well done . Keep on rocking !
I think the BBC lost and then forgot about the educate bit back in the early 1990s.
Holy shit, I've just realized that a guitar with an option to move the pickup up and down the body is actually a brilliant idea. Maybe not for anyone, but it might just hit the spot with those with a penchant for experiments.
I imagine it being good for studio use for the increased tonal options, less so fir live, but who knows^^
i recall one being produced somewhere back in the 80's or 90's. Can't remember by who though.
you could block it like a floyd rose but on both sides. i picture something reminescent of those hand/finger excersize thingys. the extra routing in the body might effect the tone,maybe for the better, but the wiring wouldnt like being moves around like that.
Verso Instruments makes guitars that do this. Matsumoku/Westone made a bass like this called “The Rail.” And I think I’ve seen other instruments out there with moveable pickups, but I don’t remember what makers they were from. I’ve never tried one, but they seem cool!
Schorr Guitars is another company doing moveable pickups.
I just sitted through the skillshare ad just because you took the time to make it easy for us to skip it
I have a TATA: Why do different cabs sound different even if they have the same speakers? Is it just the type of material they're built with, or something else?
A speaker's response is radically different in open air as opposed to in a sealed box. The internal air volume to driver size ratio will tune the resonant peak of the speaker.
There is a lot of complicated maths involved, but the short hand is the size of the box (volume, dimensions, placement of the speaker, presence of porting, and resonance of the materials constructing it) change how the speaker sounds.
Cool fact: Hondo guitars (mostly active in the 70s to mid 90s) mostly use one width all the way along. My Fame 760D with its standard hardware has 3 neck width pickups and my Deluxe series 767 has 2 Neck humbuckers by default. The string spacing has never been an issue and even modern guitars nowadays have massively imperfect string spacing and I have never seen it affect tone (literally anything with a slanted humbucker has misaligned poles)
I think another design component worth mentioning about pickups in general is their width and how that affects tone. A good example is the design the PRS ‘Narrowfield’ pickup. "The idea was this: take the unique tone of a well-made, great-sounding single coil and combine that with the positive characteristics of a humbucking pickup (full sound, no hum)." (From PRS Site)
I think pickup width (sensing a longer section of string) is part of what gives Filtertron pickups their distinctive tone.
Very good informative video. Thanks
Something I've always been curious about is triple coil pickups (Like you would find on an old Ibanez IC210). Why aren't they used very often and what benefits and drawbacks do they offer over more traditional pickups?
The middle coil is a dummy coil. A dummy coil is simply a coil without magnets. It meant to cancel hum and while a proper humbucker is better at hum canceling, a dummy coil gives a more authentic single coil sound.
It can only do this if it's wound opposite to a normal coil. So in the case of that Ibanez it means that the 'neck' coil + middle is hum canceling. But middle + bridge coil is not. Those two are wound in the same direction.
@@Waggel86 Are all pickups in the middle dummy pickups? Or do some produce sound? Sorry if this is a dumb question I’m a beginner
The three coil pickup could probably be assigned to the category of "Japanese weirdness" in that it didn't catch on and came from Japan! All credit to their ingenuity and willingness to try things but many didn't last for long. I've never seen an Ibanez triple coil pickup but I understand it had two coils with pole pieces and a middle coil without - a dummy coil. Various coil selections could be made. The front and middle coils and the back and middle coils would give two slightly differing hum cancelling sounds but would likely sound closer to single coils. I think the other options were series and parallel wiring of all three coils which would give a thick and a thin sound but would not be hum cancelling. For most people, that's the complete opposite of what we might want.
Dummy coils can be helpful in taming noisy Strat type guitars where the coil can be hidden in the control cavity and selected along side the three individual pickups. It does reduce noise but it also takes away the "snap" of the single coil pickups. I think most folk who like it also like noiseless single coils which are much easier to deal with and they are straight replacements.
@@sk00by37 no they are not dummy pickups. Yes the pickup sound
@@PeterWasted no the 50s les paul customs were 3 pickups far before Japan
The little progress bar beneath the ads that make them easy to skip is the main reason I don't skip them. That's a classy move!
The peckup comparison we wanted but don't deserve from CSGuitars
I had some follow-up questions for the valve amp video:
- If I have a multistage preamp, does the gain knob actually turn multiple potentiometers, one for each stage?
- What is a valve bias?
- How can a valve amplify in the negative portion of the wave if it only allows current to flow in one direction?
Well put and very informative. I did all of this research when I built my guitar. This would have been very helpful a few years ago. I've been following for quite a while now(around 5 years or so). Keep rocking brother.
love this series, keep em coming!
Another winner Colin! Amazing easy to understand.
A new video already? Dare I say your channel has become "High Output" ;)
Pretty awesome video! It makes total sense, and it does clear out the doubts I had. Great video, great content... you're awesome! \m/
The legendary emg 81/85 are drastically different in volume (well, mine are). The 85 in the bridge is massively loud. Ive come across a couple of comments somewhere else, saying that they dont even use an 81, just two 85s.
@@JYZProductions that's interesting. I always wanted to swap the two in my epiphone explorer, but I never got to it (let's be honest, I'm probably just lazy). But I'll have to fix a crackling pot and replace the toggle switch pretty soon, so I might do it then.
Isn't the 81 the one to be used at the brigde?
What a fantastic explanation delivered in a way that is easy to digest! You deserve far more likes for this video!!!
Nice video Colin! I knew something about the subject already but you dissipated my doubts nonetheless. 🧑🏻🎓
Really interesting video ! Thanks !
Thanks for the informative video, man! You rule. Also, I missed the video with the kilt guitar... gonna have to search for that one...
Very instructive. Thanks.
Good stuff. Thanks 👍
Would like to see something on magnetizing pickup poles. I wound my own pickups so videos like these are very helpful for me to experiment on. Good going!
TATA: 1. How tone capacitor works? How does it affect our tones?
2. How to set up floating bridge - PRS Fender etc.
More power man! love your vids!
Wow, E had no edea how much the peckop posession well enfluence the sound. great vedeo!
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An excellent video - thank you.
Colin, I must know, as a Scot, are you able to vocalize the words "Purple burglar alarm" out loud without messing up?
What if I want to have a (big) difference between pickups? I don't want them to be so "well" balanced that I get the same tone from each. I want some shrieking treble from the bridge and some heavy chug from the neck, with tone/volume controls, splitters and switches to get every tone in between? I have always been disappointed that a move from bridge to neck has so much of a volume drop.
i always wondered that. thanks!
Im predominantly a metal player, so i spend a good amount of time on my bridge pickup, however if i had to choose a favorite sounding position or pickup it would be neck position, preferably a tele style neck pickup.
And once again, Thank's Colin.
Nice one. I knew there were differences but I always thought it was "Because reasons".
I love this nerdy stuff, finding out this stuff on my own would be extraordinarily difficult
hearing your video really helped me understand a lot, now I can understand why telecaster original neck pickups are much smaller compared to other pickups, IT'S ALL ABOUT SPACING BABY!!
Would be pretty cool to see how much you can get out of one pickup. Series, parallel, north, south, out of phase (possible with itself?), saw something called a cocked wah mod can send a video I saw with that wiring.
My Jackson rr js32t has a 6kohm in the bridge and a 13kohm in the neck. Yes, I was surprised as well. These are the stock Jackson cvr2 pickups and at first I thought they made a mistake. I installed a master coil split on the guitar and there is a significant volume difference. But then I realized they probably did that so the solos on the neck stands out and you don't need a level boost, it's already built in. Well, it could just be a mistake but I like it now
My js32t kelly has a 16.5 in the bridge and a 9.4 in the neck 🤔 maybe someone at the jackson production line messed up
@@blamingfish432 so maybe the difference is because I have the old Indian made model. I think it was just for India. Doesn’t have a control plate in the front of the guitar. So maybe they used some wacky pickups. But they sound GOOD. I put mine in the periphery drop C with the low A. Killer sound. I do love the Jackson fingerboard though. Never found another guitar even an Ibanez that plays as well as that cheap Jackson.
That was a great explanation. Thank You! Question: Do you consider pick up variations "gross" or "fine" adjustments to tweak the "sound" of a specific guitar? For example, presuming the pickups seem relatively balanced, if I want my LP to sound more like a Strat, should I start with pickups, or signal chain? Thanks.
Terrified to ask about tonewood. So how about a video on it?
I second this.
Question, do you wind custom pickups or are the ones listed on the web page the only models? Asking for one of my many fender jazzmasters since their single coils are a bit special :)
Good and very succinct video
Peace and stay safe
Now i need to know why strat bridge pickups are angled and why I hate them but love a tele bridge pickup?
I'd be very interested to see you do a comparison of covered vs uncovered pups. My eyes love covered pickups, but conventional wisdom says uncovered all the way for modern, high gain sound. I'm curious how much difference it actually makes
Loudness and more bright uncovered
No damn difference
great vid
Colin, would love to see a video where you make bad pickups on purpose. How few windings can you do? How much is too much copper? P Bass pickups on a guitar? Love the videos, keep up the amazing work
As someone starting to build pickups, I do have a question. Which affects the sound greatest for this: the windings or the magnets? Do less windings and a stronger magnet make a pickups sound similar to one with a weaker magnet and more windings?
You have the best youtube show so when I say long time no see it means something . Love the Les Paul and P-90 Tele . Does it work well in a tele ? I often wonder how much different guitars sound with the exact same pick-ups I mean peck ups lol but another question I had is I see seymor duncan P90 is a double coil stacked and is that in anyway the same as a P90 at all ?
"Lez Paul" "peckup" heh
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Would that be neck posession, or bridge posession? Lol
I'd love to see a TATA on power conditioners; do you need one, what's it do, how does it differ from a power strip, etc.
Possible subject for a future TATA:
What humbucker pickups are best for "you"? Active or passive? High, medium, or low output? Compare them in a high gain, low gain, and clean situation.
I'm going to be building a project guitar soon, but I'm not sure what pickups I want, and don't have the resources to test them all out. Having all my questions answered in one video would save me a lot of trouble.
As an experiment today, I wound a P90 sized coil with, I think, A3 polepieces. I was curious about what difference it would make whether the coil was right up against the polepieces, or a shirt distance away. I guess this was prompted by the old Dynasonics, that also use Alnico polepieces, but leave some space between the coil and polepieces for the height-adjustment brackets. In my case, I wound somewhere around 7200 turns of #42 right on the polepieces, and then another 7200 or so turns on top of that, with a tap in the middle of the two. So, the one coil is "further away" from the polepieces than the other. Inner coil, because of the smaller circumference, measures around 6.9k, and the outer coil, because of the larger circumference, measures around 7.2k. Haven't installed it into anything yet, but I'm eager to hear if the specific coil-to-polepiece distance makes a difference.
Hi Colin. This all makes sense and is well explained - thanks! But I also see some manufacturers that state their pickups are suitable for both neck and bridge positions, and models like the DiMarzio AirNorton started life as a bridge pickup. How does that work?
Now obviously pickup height can be used to compensate for output if you were to switch positions and experiment with tones, and string spacing would be an issue, but is that something you've ever tried?
Can you do a tutorial on what strings do and how to put your fingers on them.
Hey, I’ve had a TATA for so long and it’s about frets. Can you talk about the different fret sizes? What qualities should I expect from each one when ordering a guitar?
Thanks!
How do you balance the pickups in a setup, like if I want to upgrade my pickups on a guitar and choose different pickups how do I make sure they will to together
Hi Colin, I have a tata, what’s better for distortion pedals? Low volume clean tone and high level distortion output, or high level clean tone and low level distortion output?
Hi! TATA: does it make sense to add a little mixer on a pedalboard to play with backing tracks from a smartphone? Maybe directly with an amp like the orange terror stamp directly on headphones?
I've wondered this for years. Thanks for the answer. Now I just have to figure out when it's appropriate to use a specific pickup. I know typically if I want a cleaner tone I'm supposed to use the neck and for a dirtier tone I use the bridge
Use the neck when you want more bass & less treble & the bridge vice versa. You can have a twangy clean tone & a smooth distorted tone.
Good rule of thumb is bridge pickup when playing lower on the neck and neck pickup when playing higher. Obviously not a hard and fast rule at all, and you can decide to ignore it for personal preference. Clarity on bridge, warmth on neck.
I believe at one time Jon Donais from Anthrax and Shadows Fall, put a EMG 85 in the bridge, and a 81 in the neck. I remember him saying something about better response. I don’t know.
What about changing the wire gauge. Both pickups, for the sake of argument, can have the same number of turns but different impedances. How would they be disposed for best effect?
it's like a bridge pickup sounds like a violin, and the neck pickup sounds like a viola
How does the winding of a hotrail pickup differ from a humbucker or singlecoil, bar the obvious? Are there any strange peculiarities that make them different, or are they just a scaled down humbucker? Most importantly, what type of tone would you get from one compared to a singlecoil or humbucker?
Hey Colin. I’d really like to know if this is doable: Can you hook up two multi-effects pedals in one signal chain? How is it going to sound? I’ve searched high and low on the internet but nada. I’m looking to partner my Vox StompLab IIG with a Zoom G1 Four for gain stacking, or use (let’s say) modulation/time-based effects on one and gain/filter on the other. I see myriads of possibilities, but information is a little scarce. Hope you could shed some light on this. Thanks, Colin, and keep up the great work! Here’s a beer! 🍺
Why "high output humbuckers" and how different are they from PAF style pickups?
Question for next TATA. What is the different between amp simulation and amp profile ?
An amp simulation is artificially created to be as possibly close to the real thing, it's simulating the amp, but it's not the original sound.
A profile is a specific setting captured straight from the amp itself through dsp technology, which will reproduce it almost 100% faithfully.
Eeeexcellent info! Taking this into my next custom build for sure. P.S. squad wad.
If be VERY interested in seeing comparisons of different bridge and neck pickups in the opposite spots
Why? All it would show is that the two positions would be less volume balanced.
The differences are to compensate for their intended position under the strings so the two units sound balanced - that's all.
Would it be possible to make a humbucking P90 with two coils?
How do you like the 500T pickups? I have them on an explorer and they're fun, but anything clean is impossible.
By the time I was 2 minutes in I was pondering... so just how bad would it sound if you swapped the bridge and neck pickups?
If you have a very muddy neck pickup, slap in a bridge model. There are a few videos around that show it. Great results.
Your gothic V look beautiful
The tonesnob: YEAH, BUT THE WOOD INDEED AFFECTS ELCTROMAGNETIC FIELD OF PICKUPS 👊😎
Nah the wood effects how the strings vibrate, strings still make sound when there’s not a cable connected
How are you liking the D Activators compared to the Gibson pickups?
TATA: what is the tonal difference using a strong magnet (alnico viii) with little coil compared to a weak magnet with big coil?
How to measure a coil resistance?
Cheers
I notice you didn't mention any difference between passive and active pickups in here. Does the same principle of the bridge being hotter than the neck still apply here, except with both pickups just being hotter overall due to their active nature?
The hotter concept is literally a physics issue, so no matter what, you'll always need the bridge to be hotter for a balanced set. That's why the EMG 85/81 and 85/60 combos are so common. Rather than just sticking an 85 in both positions, they put the lower output 81 or 60 in the neck to compensate. If you aren't going with EMGs, typically the pickups come in matched sets to accomplish the same thing, rather than just being individual pickups you buy.
what is a common setting for pickup height?
Oh god 90’s-00’s Classics are sooooo good. I am a dumbass for selling my goldtop
Any advice on pickup height?
So what makes a standard lambertone single coil pickup sound different than a standard single coil pickup? Wire thickness? Quality? Magnet quality??
But I see that vintage PAFs are much closer in resistance than modern humbuckers. Like the bridge is only a little hotter than the neck. Where as today the bridge can be twice as hot.
Will it be the end of the world if I wind my pickups the other way round? The neck pickup having more turns and DC resistance than the bridge pickup?
Good video Colin. Maybe somebody should make a guitar with a single pickup that can slide from the neck to the bridge position lol.
there's a bass that does this, The Rail. the entire electronics assembly is on a moving sled on two poles and can slide or be fixed in place. moving it while playing creates a phasery effect, as every time we pass by a node, that harmonic is effectively notch filtered out of the sound
@@famitory I used to own one of those! It's actually a great instrument.
There's an old Gibson bass with a sliding pickup, too.
when running an amp's effects loop, should I use instrument or speaker cables between the amp and my pedals?
Speaker cables are only for connecting an amplifier's speaker output to a speaker.
Anything carrying an instrument level signal (including an amplifier fx loop) uses an instrument cable.
The clues are in the names
@@ScienceofLoud thank you so much!
Colin, is that hard for you to explain the difference between tube, clipping diode and JFET distortion?
Throw MOSFETS in there as well, I'd be very curious to see and hear the differences between them along with Colin's handsome face
Why isn’t the middle pickup position more popular? It would make sense as a balanced position but most guitars only have bridge and neck.
Could you give explanations and examples of what the words used to describe guitar tones mean? Glassy, peircing, driving, bell like, bark, dark, scooped, dynamic, harmonic, musical, defined, detailed, nasal, honky, jangley, juice, deep, tight, bright, full, gritty, soft, hot, warm, balenced, thin, fat, flabby, to name just a few of the confusing words used to describe tone!
3:34 Wait. Why does Collin have a Grandpa guitar?
The example of where you strum on the string makes it easy to understand, but the explanation is a bit wrong. In the picking position you make a knot in that position on the vibration of the string and the main vibration there and its harmonics are not reproduced. The most exaggerated is when you pick exactly at the middle of the length (12th fret for a open string etc) , where the 2nd, 4th... etc harmonics are not reproduced, being the position with the most ''muted'' harmonics makes for the ''purer'' close to sine wave sound. Hitting the string close to the bridge in a small length ''kills'' only a very high order and pitched harmonic and its harmonics so overall you let more highs vibrate and it sounds brighter
Well my lp has 8.10k on the bridge and *16.2k on the neck*
Should I flip em? Neck on bridge and bridge on neck
Hi.. Just curious.. Did you swap them to see what happens ?
What if you put a bridge pickup in the neck, and vice versa?
Thanks Colin, this will help when someone asks me to give them a clear explanation.
personally i rarely use my neck humbucker on my lp unless a song requires it, the bridge humbucker is way better and goes with almost every song
I came ta lairn and I will be haird! TYVM!!!
Gotta ask...Burns Trisonics...how are those made? What makes them special?