Thank you, you explain this a hell of a lot better than Mr. Goya. While I love Reaper Mania he didn't explain this as well as you have. Just subscribed! Keep explaining things better than the next guy!
Just to add a few things that'll hopefully be helpful to people: You can send an instrument to a reverb bus and set the reverb to 100% wet (so it's extremely exaggerated) and adjust the amount of reverb you have by changing the volume of the bus full of reverb compared to the dry original instrument (I just realized I was describing parallel compression when Ricky said he wasn't gonna get into it. Whoops). THEN, once you get the reverb set to the desired level, you can throw both the instrument and the bus into a folder together and adjust the overall volume of the whole thing. Super cool stuff! Also, if you don't want to quite go as far as doing sidechain compression to duck the volume of an instrument out of the way of another, you can use a dynamic EQ and sidechain that. For instance, say you have a bass guitar part that covers the whole spectrum of bass but you have a kick drum that covers somewhere around the 80 hz frequency. You can sidechain the kick drum track to the bass guitar track in the same way Ricky described, but then use the dynamic EQ to ONLY duck the 80 hz frequency and the frequencies in close proximity. That way the bass guitar gets to keep pretty close to the same volume, but every time the kick drum hits it temporarily carves out just those frequencies. If you're creating LoFi music, you can also create a tape distortion affect by adding sidechain compression from the kick drum to ALL the instruments and cranking it up so they duck out of the way in a very unnatural way. It's not a natural sound, but it's the exact effect you're trying to go for with that genre of music.
This is fantastic. I've been trying to understand this and this video explains it all so simply. And I learned WAY more than just folders vs busses. Thank you!
Thanks for this fantastic video! I needed a good way to do the old school type of panning, where the instrument and the reverb for it are panned to opposite sides for a more spacious sound. The bus is definitely the way to do it - now I've got a dry guitar on the left and the 100% wet reverb on the right, and it sounds great.
Good explanation but I think there are three confusing things about the way Reaper does its thing compared with what else you read and hear about from other videos and I'm pretty sure this is what generally most people get confused about. Firstly, the way in which you refer to "folders" (where you're essentially allocating a fader to control that group) is generally referred to as a bus in most other programs / DAWS, if I'm not mistaken. Secondly, what you refer to as a bus in this video is what other programs refer to as an auxiliary or send / return track. Thirdly, it is confusing in Reaper when using folders as the routing shows the tracks within that folder as having an output to the Master track as well as the parent / folder track (inferring that two signals are sent to the master) which is incidentally what you're saying a bus does. I have a question though (and this confuses me the most) - How do you set the tracks up when you want to do parallel processing i.e. reverb or compression but keep it all in one group? Does the parallel track within the same group send to the Master in parallel and then also to the folder and thereby duplicating the signal to the master or do you have to keep the parallel track separate from the folder?
I keep the parallel track out of the folder because of you have processing on your parent folder track, your parallel track is now passing through that processing as well. So I keep aux/send/returns outside of the folder unless I want them to get that additional processing. I’m still confused as well. It’ll click for me eventually I hope haha
I know this is an old comment but perhaps I can help for someone that comes across this: What you want to do is put the dry instrument track and the wet reverb bus together in a folder. Then you can adjust the wet/dry tracks to their desired level but adjust the folder track for overall volume of both. Keep in mind as well that you can make folders within folders so you can essentially create as many groups as you want.
@@Spladoinkal Yeah, my comment was made before Reaper made quite a few adjustments. At the time they also weren't auto-disabling the master send when you had a folder track. Bus and Folder essentially serve the same function in Reaper.
Thanks Ricky. I couldn't get any sound out of my busses. watched loads of other vids.... I dunno, maybe I was being dumb but couldn't work it out. Then I watched your video. Presto. Clarity arrived. One box ticked and I can move on. Brilliant. Thanks again mate. Tickin' one more box now. The subscribed box. ;-)
Nice Video, Man. 3 years later, it doesn't matter, right? It still holds value. I was confused but now I see the light. Also, props to the NIN-style beats in the end. Cheers
Awesome, thank so much man. That was really helpful. I'm a teacher myself (like IRL, I stand in classrooms and try to educate children... though not at the moment...), and I know full well that many angles are essential for getting more people to understand a topic. You provide a different angle than other people - and may I add, you are very good at presenting information in a simple way, relatable way. Good show. So, if I understand correctly, a folder is like a predefined bus the Cockos have put into Reaper, which automatically disables Master Send and can't re-enable it. Otherwise, you can use them in much the same ways, and any trick you can do in a folder can be done in a bus too, but it may take a little more fiddling. I can imagine busses being really handy for having a single sample or midi run some of its signal through an effect and some of it at a louder volume without the effect, or with a different effect, or with an one effect on the primary track and bypassing it to the bus which processes it a different way and plays the two together and... yeah, there's a lot to experiment with here. Also, yeah, Kenny Gioa has been really helpful in getting me up to speed on some of the aspects of Reaper, Reaper Mania is a great channel.
Thanks for saying so, Charlie 💜 I don't know if you know this, but I also teach: guitar, keys and singing to primary school kids and I volunteer for a youth theatre group as their musical director :) Yeah, that's right. That's a good way to think about it, like a predefined bus that you can't change. Yeah, you've got it! It's almost like a little bit of light programming within Reaper. Keep in mind, you can put a track in a folder and still bus it out to a bus. So, the dry signal still goes through the folder :P It's endless! And I love the way he speaks, he's got me hooked haha.
@@RickySummer Oh cool! I did not know that, but it makes perfect sense. I can totally imagine it. I used to try teaching guitar, but I'm a much better ESL teacher than music teacher: I just understand the topic much better for one. Awesome, now it makes sense why I couldn't see the difference between them: they overlap in a lot of ways. 😁
Thanks Bro! From now on, all guitars and vocals in their own folders. Im sure pros use folders too perhaps but for us beginner intermediates it seems like folders are the way to start from and then busses as we get better. THanks again this wsd very helpful. Subbed.
Great video ❤ I have a question through: some folders routed to buses just make the buses not to sound anymore. It looks like no signal is allowed to be conveyed. Some other folders can be send without problems to buses and work perfectly. I can’t tell what might be different… any thoughts?
do you know how to use Vocal rider with Reaper? like how to get it to side chain properly to the mix.. i have it on a vocal track as the last plugin and then side chain a submix folder of my whole mix into the plugin? sorry, you may not know what i'm talking about lol. Maybe i already have it working, i can't tell if i'm doing it right in Reaper tho. the only videos that show how to sidechain it are using Pro Tools. Some people just throw it on their tracks as the first plugin too to sort of work like a dynamic compressor thingy, but it is really meant for this sidechain trick to set the vocals to fader ride automatically to the mix. It would be neat to see someone set it up in Reaper on a video.
is there a way to adjust the sensitivity for the send knobs on the mixer? feels like i have to physically move my hand way too much, compared to any other parameter in reaper
There's been some instances where I've set up a folder moved the selected channels to the folder but it behaved like a buss. Moving the fader or adding plugins to the folder track made no effect Why do u think this is happening?
So whats the diffefence now busses and folders? In other daw its just called group tracks How to make in a easy was a group track? Group my drum tracks to 1 track and add a buss compressor on it And the compressor reacts on all the drum tracks How to set this up in reaper?? Please help!?💪
Great video! I just dont get why on earth cant you have a drum folder and send from the snare into a verb without it being pre fader. its ridiculous. Logic does it... for me its just a big no no. Whats the point of having folders and everything being nice and tidy, plus saving screen real estate, and then you cant send anything post fader unless you do it from the folder master. Any ideas?
Thank you, you explain this a hell of a lot better than Mr. Goya. While I love Reaper Mania he didn't explain this as well as you have. Just subscribed! Keep explaining things better than the next guy!
Just to add a few things that'll hopefully be helpful to people: You can send an instrument to a reverb bus and set the reverb to 100% wet (so it's extremely exaggerated) and adjust the amount of reverb you have by changing the volume of the bus full of reverb compared to the dry original instrument (I just realized I was describing parallel compression when Ricky said he wasn't gonna get into it. Whoops). THEN, once you get the reverb set to the desired level, you can throw both the instrument and the bus into a folder together and adjust the overall volume of the whole thing. Super cool stuff!
Also, if you don't want to quite go as far as doing sidechain compression to duck the volume of an instrument out of the way of another, you can use a dynamic EQ and sidechain that. For instance, say you have a bass guitar part that covers the whole spectrum of bass but you have a kick drum that covers somewhere around the 80 hz frequency. You can sidechain the kick drum track to the bass guitar track in the same way Ricky described, but then use the dynamic EQ to ONLY duck the 80 hz frequency and the frequencies in close proximity. That way the bass guitar gets to keep pretty close to the same volume, but every time the kick drum hits it temporarily carves out just those frequencies.
If you're creating LoFi music, you can also create a tape distortion affect by adding sidechain compression from the kick drum to ALL the instruments and cranking it up so they duck out of the way in a very unnatural way. It's not a natural sound, but it's the exact effect you're trying to go for with that genre of music.
This is by far the best video on Buses vs Folders I have seen. I finally get it!! Thanks so much 🤩
This is fantastic. I've been trying to understand this and this video explains it all so simply. And I learned WAY more than just folders vs busses. Thank you!
Thanks for this fantastic video! I needed a good way to do the old school type of panning, where the instrument and the reverb for it are panned to opposite sides for a more spacious sound. The bus is definitely the way to do it - now I've got a dry guitar on the left and the 100% wet reverb on the right, and it sounds great.
Good explanation but I think there are three confusing things about the way Reaper does its thing compared with what else you read and hear about from other videos and I'm pretty sure this is what generally most people get confused about. Firstly, the way in which you refer to "folders" (where you're essentially allocating a fader to control that group) is generally referred to as a bus in most other programs / DAWS, if I'm not mistaken. Secondly, what you refer to as a bus in this video is what other programs refer to as an auxiliary or send / return track. Thirdly, it is confusing in Reaper when using folders as the routing shows the tracks within that folder as having an output to the Master track as well as the parent / folder track (inferring that two signals are sent to the master) which is incidentally what you're saying a bus does. I have a question though (and this confuses me the most) - How do you set the tracks up when you want to do parallel processing i.e. reverb or compression but keep it all in one group? Does the parallel track within the same group send to the Master in parallel and then also to the folder and thereby duplicating the signal to the master or do you have to keep the parallel track separate from the folder?
Right
I keep the parallel track out of the folder because of you have processing on your parent folder track, your parallel track is now passing through that processing as well. So I keep aux/send/returns outside of the folder unless I want them to get that additional processing. I’m still confused as well. It’ll click for me eventually I hope haha
I know this is an old comment but perhaps I can help for someone that comes across this: What you want to do is put the dry instrument track and the wet reverb bus together in a folder. Then you can adjust the wet/dry tracks to their desired level but adjust the folder track for overall volume of both. Keep in mind as well that you can make folders within folders so you can essentially create as many groups as you want.
@@Spladoinkal Yeah, my comment was made before Reaper made quite a few adjustments. At the time they also weren't auto-disabling the master send when you had a folder track. Bus and Folder essentially serve the same function in Reaper.
@@teatime6414 Oh I see. Interesting. Well, I'm glad you got it worked out either way!
Thanks Ricky. I couldn't get any sound out of my busses. watched loads of other vids.... I dunno, maybe I was being dumb but couldn't work it out. Then I watched your video. Presto. Clarity arrived. One box ticked and I can move on. Brilliant. Thanks again mate. Tickin' one more box now. The subscribed box. ;-)
Nice Video, Man. 3 years later, it doesn't matter, right? It still holds value. I was confused but now I see the light. Also, props to the NIN-style beats in the end. Cheers
Awesome, thank so much man. That was really helpful. I'm a teacher myself (like IRL, I stand in classrooms and try to educate children... though not at the moment...), and I know full well that many angles are essential for getting more people to understand a topic. You provide a different angle than other people - and may I add, you are very good at presenting information in a simple way, relatable way. Good show.
So, if I understand correctly, a folder is like a predefined bus the Cockos have put into Reaper, which automatically disables Master Send and can't re-enable it. Otherwise, you can use them in much the same ways, and any trick you can do in a folder can be done in a bus too, but it may take a little more fiddling. I can imagine busses being really handy for having a single sample or midi run some of its signal through an effect and some of it at a louder volume without the effect, or with a different effect, or with an one effect on the primary track and bypassing it to the bus which processes it a different way and plays the two together and... yeah, there's a lot to experiment with here.
Also, yeah, Kenny Gioa has been really helpful in getting me up to speed on some of the aspects of Reaper, Reaper Mania is a great channel.
Thanks for saying so, Charlie 💜 I don't know if you know this, but I also teach: guitar, keys and singing to primary school kids and I volunteer for a youth theatre group as their musical director :)
Yeah, that's right. That's a good way to think about it, like a predefined bus that you can't change.
Yeah, you've got it! It's almost like a little bit of light programming within Reaper. Keep in mind, you can put a track in a folder and still bus it out to a bus. So, the dry signal still goes through the folder :P It's endless!
And I love the way he speaks, he's got me hooked haha.
@@RickySummer Oh cool! I did not know that, but it makes perfect sense. I can totally imagine it.
I used to try teaching guitar, but I'm a much better ESL teacher than music teacher: I just understand the topic much better for one.
Awesome, now it makes sense why I couldn't see the difference between them: they overlap in a lot of ways. 😁
Thanks for getting me started using buses in Reaper!
MAN !
This is very well explained, I learned something very valuable just now. Thank you !
You covered the subtle nuances of reaper... That's what people want workflow tips hacks and exploits
Great overview mate, many thanks for taking the time
Nicely broken down, you did a good job of making this concept simple. Thank you.
Thanks Bro! From now on, all guitars and vocals in their own folders.
Im sure pros use folders too perhaps but for us beginner intermediates it seems like folders are the way to start from and then busses as we get better. THanks again this wsd very helpful. Subbed.
I subscribed,you made it fun and interesting and easy to understand.Your personality really shows with your videos well done.
Excellent video
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Great video ❤ I have a question through: some folders routed to buses just make the buses not to sound anymore. It looks like no signal is allowed to be conveyed. Some other folders can be send without problems to buses and work perfectly. I can’t tell what might be different… any thoughts?
Awesome. what are you using for the drums and synth?
Amazing video, bro! Thanks for sharing your knowledge #Peace
Ok folders are buses and buses are Sends👌 noted
do you know how to use Vocal rider with Reaper? like how to get it to side chain properly to the mix.. i have it on a vocal track as the last plugin and then side chain a submix folder of my whole mix into the plugin? sorry, you may not know what i'm talking about lol. Maybe i already have it working, i can't tell if i'm doing it right in Reaper tho. the only videos that show how to sidechain it are using Pro Tools. Some people just throw it on their tracks as the first plugin too to sort of work like a dynamic compressor thingy, but it is really meant for this sidechain trick to set the vocals to fader ride automatically to the mix. It would be neat to see someone set it up in Reaper on a video.
is there a way to adjust the sensitivity for the send knobs on the mixer? feels like i have to physically move my hand way too much, compared to any other parameter in reaper
There's been some instances where I've set up a folder moved the selected channels to the folder but it behaved like a buss. Moving the fader or adding plugins to the folder track made no effect
Why do u think this is happening?
great content
So whats the diffefence now busses and folders?
In other daw its just called group tracks
How to make in a easy was a group track?
Group my drum tracks to 1 track and add a buss compressor on it
And the compressor reacts on all the drum tracks
How to set this up in reaper??
Please help!?💪
Much appreciated
Great video!
I just dont get why on earth cant you have a drum folder and send from the snare into a verb without it being pre fader. its ridiculous. Logic does it... for me its just a big no no. Whats the point of having folders and everything being nice and tidy, plus saving screen real estate, and then you cant send anything post fader unless you do it from the folder master.
Any ideas?
Yeah ! Repaer lacks some basic routing functions. It doesn't work for me.
Kenny gioia really be talking like that though
Reaper let's save presets in his own system....