Why Captain America Is The Worst Avenger - After Hours
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I just love how in Civil War they talk about the avengers causing so much damage in New York, but fail to mention how the government tried to Nuke the city
Oh I've always assumed, that because it is these five world leaders who gave order to do that and two guys adhering to them did that that they simply covered it up afterwards.
I mean yeah but which would you rather lose one city or lose a planet
Lenard Gaul That’s not what the argument is about, it’s about the damages. And the avengers caused less damage than that nuke would have.
@@shayla106 I'm not talking about the nuke I'm just giving the world leaders point of view
I always assumed that there was a cover up by the SHIELD. And everyone was led to believe that the nuclear bomb was meant for the portal in the first place.
And wasn't it a shadow council that made the call, not any particular elected government?
This would mean that even the president of U.S wouldn't be aware that the nuke was meant for the city.
Oh no I've fallen into the rabbit hole of After Hours again ...
Same
Oh yes
Happens at least once a year
There are worse holes to fall into
@@FrancisR420 PHRASING.
Captain America doesn't embody America... he's too fit.
Emily B who you calling fat?
supergluehotty The STAR SPANGLED BASTARD, of course.
Great hero, much love!
Hey oh!
Too fit isn't American? I'm pretty sure America pioneered bodybuilding and muscle sculpting, and being jacked for the sake of being jacked is a very American thing.
Well of course he's fit, you can't expect him to go around fighting Hydra if he weighs 300 lbs and eats nothing but Jelly Donuts everyday.
By far the greatest part of this episode was actually showing Michael chanting in the background, and the people he had riled up.
Anyone else have to rewatch the beginning because Swaim and the chant mob in the back was too God damned hilarious to not watch instead?
I was hoping they'd leave him out there for the whole episode..
YES
+RealCoolGuy or that they came in for the debate and he led them chanting back out after
yaaaassss
Yup
"Won't accept tech" except in AoU where he uses those magnetic gauntlets to make his shield not trash
Yes Magnets the most cutting edge of technologies.
So it took him four years to incorporate Magnets? Maybe by time Infinity War comes around he'll have a Zune.
Localised electromagnets used to secure a shield to his wrist. I know it's hardly the kind of future tech you see elsewhere, but it's not nothing
a zune!! LOL!!!! 😂
Pretty sure Tony stole his gauntlets one night and just installed that after pestering him for months about it
I love how they colour coded their outfits to be different avengers
Angus Ferrington
Who’s who?
Angus Ferrington
Who’s who?
Jon Maderos michael is hulk, katie is black widow, daniel is spider-man, soren is iron man??
Ahhh I just noticed this today.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤯🤯
5:31
I feel like you get moments like these scattered where Michael says something really punny and you can just see Katie off to the side trying really hard not to laugh
*Captain America has no superpowers*
Am I the only person who remembers that Captain America is a goddamn supersoldier with super healing and super strength, in addition to above average running speed and endurance?
Has the whole world gone crazy?
This is very poorly researched.
I think their point was supposed to be that compared to most of the Avengers, who use either inhuman powers or high tech gadgets, Cap is relatively unpowered. Of course that's *still* wrong, what with Black Widow and Hawkeye as core members of the team...
RogueShadows, that is one of the reasons why their argument makes no sense. Cap is more super powered than Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Falcon (also Iron Man and War Machine who need armor). It makes me wonder what their point is. Because they got a lot wrong in this video.
Poor bastard can't get drunk. His one weakness.
Isn't that basically steroids. His superpower is steroids
How would cap get loki and his army of thousands of aliens to go to a field when the aliens only purpose was to kill civilians? this video is trying too hard to make a point and failing because it doesn't use any of those situations in context.
Yeah, Cap didn't choose to fight Loki in the city. That's where Loki was. He needed the Stark building. So a huge section of this video is based on blaming Cap for something that he had absolutely no control over.
They refer to Crossbones and his group of ex-military mercs as "a couple of burglars driving around in a big truck" and then mock him for not being able to stop them even though he does in fact stop them.
Definitely rushed this video out to coincide with the civil war release.
It's like the completely ignored the fact that an unknown number of aliens are constantly emerging from a hole in the sky throughout the battle.
Cap did the smart, tactical thing and kept the horde of aliens from spreading too far out and contained them to a small radius.
Now you guys see how I felt during the 2 videos where they bashed Batman and Professor X. They stretched a few things for "comedy".
also, he wasnt the one that wanted to nuke every civilian in new york city to stop the alien evasion.
cap acting in foreign countries without the approval of the american people, basic knowledge of the geopolitical climate, or effective tactics is actually a great representation of the american military
in the avengers the government tried to nuke New York
Captain America is a superhuman; he can run at 50mph, ages slower the rate of a normal person, eidetic memory, superhuman strength and has he investigatory abilities beating out his contemporaries. He was right about Shield, the Accords and the WSC whom wanted to nuke NYC I add; as well as help deactivate/destroy Stark's murder-bots -- against which he was thoroughly opposed. Cap reacts to and attempts to amend the mistakes made by the people around him. His mistake is trusting people not to fuck up.
So true.
Isn't eidetic memory kind of debunked as being a myth?
Don't forget he "sees faster" :D
Eidetic memory is a myth in the real world so far as I know, but Marvel doesn't operate in the real world.
OriginalPiMan, Exactly. Marvel is scifi/fantasy. That's why brainwashing happens and Bucky could be programmed. That doesn't happen in the real world.
Wait, didn't Loki choose to go to New York or more accurately Stark Tower because of Tony's Arc Reactor and to satisfy his ego. Then didn't Cap order the police to make a perimeter to contain the disaster Zone and protect civilians.
plus isn't he considered an enhanced human. like all those scenes where he's stopping a helicopter, beating the crap out of highly trained Shield agents, then running as fast as a car, then probably super stamina(on your left), and throwing his motorcycle.
They get so many fucking facts wrong in this vid it's embarrassing.
This reminds me of their video about the types of tv shows made- where they said Fox should have canceled Heroes. They had too many mistakes in each sentence.
This is cracked we're talking about. Their pretty much a bootleg buzzfeed
Yes, they couldn't move the fight, like what the JL did with Doomsday (or what should have been done with Zod) because there was a giant portal above the city.
Leaving aside that the Avengers didn't cause New York, Shield did. They didn't open the portal there and could not move it. They "did" close it. Also they leave out the fact that Cap's leadership prevented Hydra weapon from changing the course of WW2! If he doesn't beat Hydra then the Nazi's win. He outmaneuvered Red Skull and beat him in mere months. His leadership allowed the Avenger to shut modern Hydra down world wide in under a year. Also Cap "did" study modern military tactics. Half the time Shield or his own team are working against him.
No, Daniel. I shan’t chant again’t. I feel like, when you represan’t American’t you really gotta be at a hundred percan’t.
In the comics Cap was a great tactician and leader due to his years fighting as Cap in the military before being frozen. In the movie he spent very little time serving as more than entertainment. He had the powers, strength, speed, shield etc. but not the experience that he has in the comics, but we were still expected to accept him as the same caliber of tactician and leader for no reason.
Why do the governments blame the hero's for the damage done to cities when its the villians who started creating the damage and they are just trying to stop them.
Also your forgetting that captain america started out as a promotional type thing to get people to support the war/soldiers.
Yes, exactly.
The governments have done far more damage than the Avengers ever could when they almost blew up New York with a NUKE missile, allowed HYDRA to take control of them for 70 years, and allowed Thunderbolt Ross to turn people into monsters such as the Hulk and Abomination. The governments are the ones who need to be put in check, not the Avengers.
Because of not-screenwriting 101.
Scott K Aliens invading isn't a good enough reason? When your fighting someone in your own city who is destroying utndonyou honestly think the fight is going to be easy and clean? No, there is going to be damage. What are they supposed to do? Just let the aliens take over the city and destroy it anyway?
Scott K Yes I agree with some things the government blamed them for. However they still blamed the damage from the first avengers on them even if it wasn't really anything they could do about it.
"Instead of lureing Loki into an empty field"
Wait, what ? When ? When would they have done that ?
Right. Loki opened the portal on stark tower. They didn't when get to the city till 5 minutes after it started.
Hello people from 3 years ago. I’m hear to tell you that their knowledge of Marvel, even now, sucks.
Because they didn’t make the choice of battleground- Loki did. Deliberately as a middle finger to Tony Stark. 🤦🏾♀️
@@OneWhoDreamsAwake Yes, but Loki was attacking what would become Avengers Tower because it was the heart of resistance. If all of the resistance (Avengers Tower) would have been consolidated in Antarctica, that's probably where Loki would have concentrated his attack first. But then would Tony have been willing to sacrifice himself to keep a nuke from detonating on barren land?
stakk4 no... that’s not at all the only reason why he went there. He went there to be able to use the Tesseract to bring the Chitauri to earth through a portal that would sustain itself indefinitely. And to flip off earth, the avengers, and tony. The tower was basically running on a super awesome battery that Loki wanted to use, so he went where the battery was.
Are you trying to to say that Tony Stark (before knowing about aliens) should have predicted someone misusing it (from space) and therefore not put the first example of a building using clean sustainable energy in Antartica? Because paranoia?
Every single notion you have is based on hindsight. That’s like saying, “how dare the US/NYC build the World Trade Center in the middle of an economic and cultural hub! They should have known better and put it in Antartica and therefore terrorists wouldn’t have attacked them!” Talk about victim blaming.
stakk4 additionally, the arc reactor technology used in the tower was a prototype that he plan to put in every one of his facilities in the future. If the film took place in a few years it would have actually had multiple places Loki could have done so....
But he still would’ve picked a densely populated area in order to cause the most damage. That’s how terrorist work. That’s how conquers work. Read history history book. Also, read ANYTHING about Loki and you’ll figure out he loves chaos and destruction. Obviously. Being the Norse god of it and so on.
Captain America is not a reflection of what America is, He is a representation of what it could be.
Lets get merch that says "Make Capt. America Great Again!"
He is America. Constantly getting involved with things that don't concern him under the guise of trying to "help". Bossing around people that are actually stronger than him to seem important. Taking advantage of peoples' kindness to... you get the point.
We've had more than 200 years to get it right and we keep f**king it up.
@@edwardmiddleton1690 thats true af man
Maybe in the 1940s, but not for the current era. He’s outdated like expired bread
I absolutely love all the crap Michael's doing in the background.
Captain America is Marvel's Superman, a man with an unshakable moral enter that always does the right thing and inspires others to be the best versions of themselves.
Nick Fury is the Batman of the Marvel universe, a manipulating spy who has no issue using others for the greater good, infinit resources at his fingertips, outsmarting the enemy and bending others to his will.
I would actually argue moon knight is marvels batman but that's just me.
No, Reed Richards is clearly Marvel's Batman. The fact that he has a super power is overshadowed by the fact that he's naturally the smartest man on the planet and can come up with an invention/plan to solve any problem. The only Marvel character that is _written_ anywhere near like Batman (totally infallible ordinary human brain) is Mr. Fantastic.
It is true that he has unshakable morals, but that doesn't mean that he always does the right thing, and in fact, his unshakable morals might cause him to do the wrong things because he is unwilling to change his point of view. I mean, think about it: he was the cause of the civil war, because he wasn't willing to be put in check, and decided that Bucky didn't deserve punishment, because he is his friend, and because Bucky didn't have control of his actions. But that isn't his decision to make! But because he has his "unbreakable morals" he doesn't care. He, as an individual, does not have the right to decide who/ how the government punishes people, especially terrorists/ assassins! But because he believes 'his' way is right, he fights the American government, and his own team, specifically, because he doesn't want his friend to get hurt! He even ropes people in to fight for him, not because they think he is right, but because they think that because he is "Captain America" therefore he can't have bad intentions and therefore can't be wrong.And because He cares more about Bucky than justice he does everything to keep him from that justice, he even kept the fact that Bucky killed Tony's parents from Tony! There is no reason for him to do that, except to protect Bucky. And even Bucky in the movie isn't sure that he deserves redemption, but Cap always puts Bucky first, even if that would mean losing! example: The winter soldier, instead of making sure that hydra is completely taken care of, Cap ends it with a fist fight between himself and Bucky, putting the possible outcome of the entire nation on whether or not Bucky (who is brainwashed!) chooses to be good. And think about it! If the other situations (with Black Widow, Nick Fury, and Falcon) didn't work out, and Captain America was needed to stop hydra, he wouldn't have. Because he cared more about Bucky than he did America! Because he chose trying to help Bucky over saving the country! CAPTAIN AMERICA IS A FRAUD!!! . . . He should be called Captain Bucky.......
***** Cute, person who feels the need dis someone, because their comment was longer than you wanted. Who needs to get a life again?
And you know what the difference is between simply "dissing" a character and a full argument that breaks them down? Intelligence.
***** hahaha! I like you! I'll take your advice under advisement. Love you (kisses!)
Wait, what could they have done differently in NYC? I keep missing that
They could of tried leading the invaders outside of the city to minimize civilian deaths.
Nothing. They claim that the Avengers lured Loki there, but it is explicitly pointed out in the movie that Loki uses Stark Tower's power plant to power the machine that opens the rift. Loki was going to bring his army in through New York regardless of where the Avengers were.
They couldn't have done much. Because of the portal the only way to reduce casualties was emergency evacuation and an effort to contain and shut down the portal. Which is exactly what they did. Cap also hands out some pretty solid tactics throughout that movie.
I don't see any way for them to lure the invading army away, since they were vastly outnumbered, and their enemies were trying to kill civilians. It's not like they were looking for the Avengers
Also remember why Loki was in New york in the first place...Stark's power generator thing that was opening up the Chiathari portal....the indestructible (and assumably) unmovable portal. What would convince Loki to leave that for a "cornfield" or whatever?
Blaming Cap for "not leading" the bad guys away is like blaming the US Navy for leading the japanese from Pearl Harbor
You guys forgot to mention that Cap became a superhero in the most American way possible: Steroids.
Just saw Sam becoming the new captian America in the Disney plus series ❤
Yep...
And it sucked,the MCU ended at Endgame. Everything since then has been meh.
@@thefacelessquestion3333 My comment is more toward the comments made around 2:20 in discussion of Sam becoming Captian America in the comics rather than a reflection of my opinions on the show.
That sucks it wasn't you're cup of tea and you feel very strongly about it, I'd love to gain more insight as to why you feel that way rather than a generalization.
I'm not one who shares the sentiment that an opinion on something (product or media) is either 100% a masterpiece or 100% dogshit. It's ok to think something is just meh 🤷♂️🤣. Falcon and the Winter soldier wasn't the best nor worst thing I've seen, to me it was just ok. I enjoyed my time with it, though I can say it has its problems. It's not a series I'm in a rush to rewatch any time soon. 😋
bruh. Cap didn't make the shield. Tony star's father did smh. this argument goes to shit once you realize they have no idea what they're talking bout
I agree.
True
Yeah. They fucked up actually on a lot of info in this vid. This so far is the only after hours vid that I think sucks.
they never said cap made the shield, they said he could have someone like tony make it into something more useful.
he can ask for more...he at any time could have asked for other stuff but he decides to stick with that physic bending shield that is somehow a frisbee, boomerang, magnetically attracted to him, unmaleable, unmeltable and so much more. I only added that to show that most things cap does with the shield are impossible even for imaginary metal especially since other vibranium items are somehow weaker
wait, that chain of realizing that Cap's tactics led to Civil War doesn't make any sense. They didn't lure Loki to new York, Loki was in New York to use Stark Tower. Cap's leadership contained the destruction to a few blocks of Manhattan, and he had no idea about the Ultron thing until after Tony made it.
in no way he is Marvel's version of batman
how does one come to that conclusion
They didn't
He *is* one of the few Marvel people that could beat Batman, tho. I can see where one could come to comparing the two fighting-wise.
Billionaire whose parents were murdered, inherited billions, uses it to make gadgets and fight bad guys? Super smart, in the comics he had a secret identity, adopts young proteges (Spiderman and Riri), has a British butler, a human who deals with a guy with super strength that supposedly embodies American Ideals, a figure out of mythology, a dude with a bow and arrow, and even a super speed dude for a while. Yeah, weird. How is he like Batman?
@@MorganMalfoy13 all the things you just stated are very vague outlines of many superhero characters. That outline could be Green Arrow or Black Panther etc etc The psychology of the batman character is completely different from the iron man character. Batman is an obsessed, extremely disciplined crime fighter...while tony is a alcoholic self absorbed tech billionaire. I always thought Tony Stark was more like what the average person would become if they inherited a fortune, happened to be a genius
.... They would become a genius billionare playboy philanthropist... while batman was the more extreme outcome. ( i probably did a really poor job explaining that)
Cap is marvel's version of Wonder Woman, the soldier/warrior from this world but from a different time. Iron Man is Batman, the human without powers but is a genius that uses his wealth and technology to fight. Thor is Superman, the alien with incredible powers
My favorite moment is when Michael goes into the background getting fellow patrons to chant USA and wave flags. Brilliant.
Captain America is not a normal human he has superpowers the only normal humans on the team are Hawkeye and black widow.
Black Widow is a super soldier/ mutate.
20th Century Fox's lawyers would disagree
+David Parker-Hunt Pretty sure she's a mutate anyways
And Falcon. And War Machine. And Ant-Man. And Iron Man.
+David Parker-Hunt Just to be clear Lennox wrote "mutate", not "mutant". According to Marvel comics the difference is that a mutant is either born with powers or born genetically destined to manifest powers (e.g., X-Men). A mutate is any character that is mutated through external/environmental influences to have powers (e.g., Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, most versions of the Hulk, etc.).
Cap could be considered a mutate if you say that the serum gave him powers, and similarly Widow in the comics was given some kind of serum to slow her aging. Widow in the movies could be argued as one depending on what exactly they did to her in that "Red Room".
Wrong: Captain America is not equivalent to Batman. Cap's an enhanced human. A super soldier. Through science, he is faster and stronger than Batman. He can beat Batman in straight hand to hand, BUT, in a fight using tools, the ninja Batman can kill Cap. Cap is a scientifically created super human.
Cap is at peak human in terms of strength and agility. So above Olympic level humans. Batman also has peak human strength. Don't know how or why he has peak human strength but he's up there with cap
willpower, that is why.
antsyokosuka12 No. Batman cannot keep a helicopter from taking off with his bare hands. Cap's a 'super' soldier. Not a 'peak human soldier. He is a scientifically created super human, created to be a soldier. He can run all the way around the capitol in less time it would take Batman to make a 40 yard dash. Winter Soldier.
+antsyokosuka12 yet he jumps form an airplain with out a parachute and survives with a scratch ..
capitan america aint human
I wouldn't say Batman is at "peak human strength" the way Cap is. Batman has trained with all of the best fighters of a variety of styles all over the world as well as with the smartest tacticians, techies, etc. He's basically just a guy who instead of going out and drinking/getting laid or (like in my case) staying home and playing video games during his teens and 20's, he went out learning and training day in and out for years and years.
In the real USA, it is possible to start spontaneous "USA! USA!" cheer mobs just as quickly as you see here.
This is even funnier than the background scene in the "After Hours" episode about what life is like in a musical comedy.
To be fair ... the movie Cap is WAY different from the comic book Cap.
The movie version is cap
@John Doe same
@John Doe Gasp! He is lovely, what are you talking about? (Except for the first Avengers movie, their fights are kinda annoying)
@Austin Martín Hernández yeah
@@talic-os5899 cap is cool
He is admittedly the least effective in terms of what you can bring to the battlefield in terms of power.
However, he is pretty much the reason our avengers exist today (twice) Captain America 1&2 so that actually makes him one of the most effective avengers on the team.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier really solidified that image and what he's capable of despite his lack in superpower effectiveness.
He could barely beat iron man and that's cuz iron man didn't jus pick him up in his suit and seperately him from his shield.. And drop him from the clouds
You can pull the "Well he could..." All day.. but it doesn't matter. What matters are the writers. Whatever they say is absolute. There is no room for reality in fantasy. That makes Cap one of the best. Because a guy with a pen says so... and I'll follow that logic.
that is not logic, that is tyranny.
Nah, Cap's just a dumb soldier. The Howling Commandos would've gone on fighting Hydra without him and it was Nick Fury (and Coulson) who truly built the Avengers team from scratch.
Cap owes everything to the German scientist who chose him for his Super Soldier program (and to Howard Stark for creating the Shield).
He is one of the best on the team. He could beat Iron Man by himself if need be. He could beat Batman. Even Batman himself said so. He is one of the best fighters in the team, and he is also the best leader and second smartest.
I don't care what you say, I will never stop loving Captain America.
I miss this series...how is there not a place for them these days.
PS: Tony Stark is Marvel's Batman, not Capitan America. He is filthy rich, parties all the time, and has a superhero alter ego. He also has tons of cool gadgets and he is a super-genius!
Tony didn't lure Loki to New York. Loki need the Stark Tower to run the device that he had Dr. Selvig build. Stark didn't know that when he had the tower built. Loki wasn't even a thing when he had the tower built. They could have gone to a field all they want that just would have meant standing in a field while the aliens trash New York.
well said
*standing ovation*
Yeah, I was ready to broaden my perspective when i saw the title of this video, but it feels like it was written by people who haven't seen the Marvel films since they came out, and thus only really remember Civil War. This point in particular made zero sense for all of these reasons. I also don't get how that would be uniquely Steve's fault even if it were somehow up to the Avengers, since you could more adequately blame Tony. Anyway even in Avengers' climax Steve's primary concern actually is saving civilians.
It's Monday Morning Quaterbacking. The strategies and tactics that seem obvious when the never before seen crisis is over and adrenaline has stopped pumping aren't in the moments when you have to choose or die.
It's like what the movie of Sully is showing how a pilot made a call that saved the life of everyone in his crew but a bunch of people want to second guess that even though it worked.
Hell no one's mentioning the absolute insanity of trusting the Nations of the World over the Avengers. IN the Marvel Universe the Avengers ended an alien invasion and saved a lot of lives.
Those Nations of the World that think they should tell the Avengers what and how to do their jobs tried to Nuke New York City without any communication with their troops on the ground. For all they knew the nuke would have done nothing but kill everyone. and leave the shielded portal maker still fucking open letting more aliens pour into New York in the after math condemning our world.
Now who has shite tactics?
ehh, i see some points, though a lot seem off base
1st, Cap was raised and trained in the 40's, with that shield by his side. It doesn't excuse him to not adapt,but it seems humanly forgivable for him not wanting to change after the shock of losing his ENTIRE world, because his tech-less way may be all that's left of it.
2nd, Loki just sort of showed up in New York with an entire army, righ?.)You can't just herd something like that out of the city.The avengers did the best they could.
3rd, An interview with the Russo brothers confirmed that Cap might wants to give up being cap. That's because he doesn't feel like he's representing the American way anymore, or at least doesn't feel like aligning with any government as the ones the works for now repeatedly breaks his trust. So up to now, donning the red white n' blue was just to show his love for the country and government, which he doesn't feel as strong anymore.If going against the majority to do what's right isn't what we feel America stands for, then I don't know what does.
First off the very idea that Cap is somehow against technology is ridiculous. Cap uses plenty of technology. He used the shield because he didn't want to use weapons that could be more easily lethal, like guns. Cap can do far more with that shield than most of the people he comes across can do with their higher tech stuff. Steve Rogers and his shield took down a fighter jet. Steve Rogers and his shield took out half a hijacked ship, Steve and his shield managed to finally disable Tony's Iron Man suit's arc reactor so he couldn't murder Bucky Barnes.
But as for other technology, he uses it all the time in ever film. Heck even in Avengers when he'd been only been out of the for a little over WEEK(yes he really got defrosted and basically thrown into a battle with aliens 70 years in the future) he was already using the tablet to read information about the situation. He uses all sorts of little gadgets, like the listening devise in Winter Soldier for example, like the various communications devices.
Huh. Good point
Exactly! He's using technology that most of us have our entire lifetimes to use and master and he's surrounded by super geniuses.
It also super bothers me that they never address the fact that the only support he gets mental health wise or like - you're seventy years in the future wise is from Sam.
I was going to make argument #2 too. The portal Loki opens opens up right above the city.. You can't lead that somewhere else.
yeah and they couldn't move the portal because it was planted there so they couldn't touch it without Loki's scepter
I like this video! I disagree with their opinion of the Batman comparison with Cap. Daniel is so right Batman and Tony Stark are the best comparison. Both use their brain, Bruce as a detective and Tony to build everything, it's kind of their superpower; they also both are able to bankroll their group; they come from tragic backgrounds. I'm sure there are more areas where they overlap. I love all the flaws they point out. It's like they are reading my brain! lol
“The Feds were after him!”
*Shows Steve attacked by Hydra Operatives*
Who were acting on orders from the Feds...who were also Hydra. Being Hydra doesn't mean you're not a Fed.
@@PaperbackWizard they're a rogue black ops branch. it doesn't count.
@@marcelo2169 The *Avengers* are a rogue black ops branch at this point; until Cap crashes a ship into a government building and goes *completely* rogue.
Some of the points in this video were flawed
I think a lot of point were flawed.
Your face is flawed.
All of the points are flawed.
But what else to you expect from regressive leftist idiots?
I always hate clicking on Cracked videos, because I never know when it's going to be funny, and when it's going to be regressive bullshit.
Finding fake flaws is what Cracked does best.
I think I'm the only one who was so distracted by Swaim's chants that I missed some of what they were saying...
me to could not stop laughing
lol you are so not the only one my eyes were on him the whole time
I love the action that happens on the other side of the windows. Remember the After Hours about musicals?
You had my thumbs up at "U-S-A! U-S-A!..."
And was that Cyanide and Happiness animation there in between? :D
Yeah sure, a guy that can stop a helicopter from taking off with his bare hands is 'powerless'. Never mind that fast he runs as fast as a car. Cap. Would crush literally bats one on one. Batman
sigh*
Batman beats Superman Superman>Capt
"Would crush literally bats one on one."
That is not what the word 'literally' means. You're saying Cap would crush Batman to death like a car compactor.
Because Superman has an extremely exploitable weakness , and Batman has the stupid hand waving ''plot magic'' bullshit where he has the perfect solution for every situation, and the ''OH batman knew you would do that all along so he wins.'' He may aswel have been a damn magician with the way writers make him so invincible.
Also, are you saying Bane is greater than Superman? Because he was able to break batman's back..
Bane's Enhanced strength is actually higher than Cap's, based on numbers we have, actually.
Bane's maximum healthy Venom injection gives him a 3-4 ton lift strength. While Cap's official lift strength according to Marvel caps out at 1,200 pounds, which is not even a ton. Naturally, this is comic books, so neither of these is consistant and they both often get higher than that (Especially in films). But Bane's enhanced strength is on a different scale than Cap's.
black panther is the real marvel batman.... besides daredevil..
besides moonknight
Except that Black Panther is, like, 10209238230498235340598 times cooler than Batman xD
fuck out of here, batman is the no.1 most popular superhero for reason, probably the most widely recognized now edging out superman,
That reason being: history , Batman has been the most marketed hero of all time, partially because producing a batman movie/Series had always been cheaper than any other given he's just a human. Also the fact that DC was swimming in money dedicating it to him while marvel just invested in other things and broke.
Batman is also outsold by spiderman when it comes to merch. Both heroes being the most invested in by their respective companies. That doesn't mean they are the best or the coolest, just goes to show their companies have put much more work strengthening their brands than any other hero and it paid off.
look dude Batman is in fact more popular
but in my opinion,Black Panther is pretty cool
MmmMmmmmmoooon Knight! :D
In defence of the list he was keeping in 'Cap 2', Steve seemed to be noting down what other people told him to look up. In other words, what other people deemed to be interesting and important. The fact that current politics wasn't on there is because NO ONE HE SPOKE TO found that an interesting or important topic. Says less about Cap and more about the people he spoke to. Also, there were different lists for different countries, so can it even be counted when we had different things in Australia?
I love Michael in the background
"No, Daniel, I shan't chant againt. I feel like when you represant Americant you gotta be at 100 perceant." Literally the best part of the whole video - serious rhyming props to Michael (or whoever wrote the script this time around).
I loved the Cyanide and Happiness animations in between.
This was great! I always enjoy these.
I’d like to see this revised post endgame
Vote the lesser evil, Vote Kang.
#ImWithHer
Why settle for the lesser evil? -Cthulhu 2016
"I voted for Kodos."
All hail Starscream!
Why vote for Cthulhu
Vote for Thanos (with Infinity Guantlet) or Galactus
both could kick Cthulhu's ass.
It all depends on the definition of "was", jerk!
Daredevil is Marvel's Batman
Dorkly did a whole video on that
Though, in a way, Batman is DC's Daredevil.
Frank Millar wrote Daredevil in the late 70s, & early 80s, after which he was hired by DC to (very specifically) do for Batman what he'd done for Daredevil. Almost all of the character traits that we now associate with Batman (sans the basic character set up) are re-workings of what Millar had already done over at Marvel.
Except that Daredevil is better.
+Denni Wintyr true, up until Frank Miller's epic run on the man without fear, Batman was a happy go lucky dude in a bat costume that instead of fighting dudes just used a bunch of plot gadgets.
Not entirely correct. Batman's personality and style was there early on. But the Silver Age of comics came around and ruined that. When Daredevil was created, Miller was basically doing what was being done with Batman at the time (Bronze age), but better. Miller basically got hired on to just do a better version of what was already being done, because he did basically just that with Daredevil.
In response to Daredevil directly, DC established Nightwing, having Robin basically give up all the tech and turn to escrima sticks.
Yes, Cap has no powers. Except enhanced strength, speed, and durability. That whole super soldier thing. No big.
Hezekiah Ramirez true, though since nearly very superhero character in their world does as well, it kinda negates the fact in a way.
@@TheBasketBaller00 Absolutely not. And Batman literally has ZERO powers. He's in great shape and well trained, but so is the Marine Corp.
@@hakaveli72 But we're discussing the MCU, not DC or even the Marvel Universe. There's a very narrow set of heroes to look at in MCU and if you were to create a video game stat sheet, Capt America's would be just more well-rounded in physical stats, but not insanely high. Black Panther has similar super strength, speed, and such, as does Bucky with just a metal arm. Peter Parker, etc., and Black Widow is just as an effective fighter (if not better in strategy). You see how I mean? Capt's abilities are less impactful compared to the 15 heroes we have in the MCU. Vs DC where TONS of heroes have no super powers, and Batman's ability sheet would include technology, reasoning, and strategy.
It's not anything against Capt, just that the directors'/movie writers' choices limited what he should really compared to the comics. They'd have to have made him have Superman level strength to make that feature truly stand out.
@@TheBasketBaller00 ahem black widow ahem
@@TheBasketBaller00 she has no special powers and if anything she has less physical abilities biologically anyway due to being a women so...
Thanks for the fun and interesting video, guys. As always, you guys' acting was on point and the writing was excellent ^.^
**whispers** Hail Hydra.
Also, what is up with the animation? Very....cyanide and happiness.
5:24
Oh wait. It's back.....
Michael was outside getting everyone worked up yelling USA! 😂😂😂
Tony Stark is the Marvel Batman. Money is his superpower. But he’s a better Batman because he’s actually a genius and made history.
Michael screaming in the background is exactly what I needed today
I think one scene sums up cap pretty well. In the first movie before he has powers and a grenade is thrown. He jumps on top while everyone else ducks for cover.
So he disregards safety protocol and does the one thing that will surefire get him killed.
@Tin Watchman Duck and cover, get behind something or into a ditch if possible.
Edit: and get as low as possible, keep your feet pointed towards the grenade if there's no cover so the shrapnel destroys your legs instead of your organs
That attitude in an actual battle situation, sure, he’d probably get respect for that action, there’s a story here and there of some soldiers that threw themselves on grenades in actual battle situations to save their mates and some lived (for better or worse) to talk about it.
But the difference is those were all battle situations... that scene was in a boot camp. Tommy Lee Jones comes off as a crazy old guy for trying to make a point in a situation where none of them should be proving that point because why the hell would you? They’re still at home, the enemy wasn’t right next door or anything! So Cap throwing himself on that grenade... that just kinda comes off as really stupid. Everyone cleared the area reasonably quick and he just dives right on it with a pointless point to prove.
Also shows how stupid he is. He could have kicked that thing across the yard instead of jumping on it.
He later tries to kill Tony Stark, after keeping the fact that Tony’s parents were murdered from his supposed friend, all to protect a man who needs immediate psychiatric help after decades of torture instead of being told to just shake it off and be Bucky again.
My main problem with Cap in Civial War his focus was on Bucky. And he seem to be his "only" friend. He didn't treat Tony as a friend. Which is kind of sad. Tony is holding it together best as he could and even BEG Cap to sign up of fearing he would lose his friend. What did cap do? blew him off and went to Bucky. I get behind Tony when he start to hate him seeing the real Cap. And even all of that, Tony was willing to fight alongside of Cap after the error that he had made. Then they threw in the killing the parents bit. Again Cap wasn't there, instead protected Bucky in the end, Cap went with Bucky and threw down the shield. Why not hand the shield? and say I'll contact you or even say Sorry? No he dropped the shield and left. wth. Tony isn't in the right Mind and is in the wrong here I get that but to do that to a best friend? That would only take 2 minutes to do. I know Cap later on contacted Tony but still that little bit rubbed me the wrong way. Cap acts like a friend if it suits him or else he would ignore them unless they are seen as a threat. He should know Tony enough to see that he is break down inside yet he did nothing. Why I don't like Cap in the movies.
Cap wasn't in the best mood either. Tony was being a dick, justifiably so but still a dick.
I ain't a bloody squid yeah but Tony has always been a dick and an asshole. But with Captains Character it just feel like it is off here. I get Bucky is his lost friend but he is losing others that he isn't seeing. in the comics he tries to reach out and it made Tony look more like a villain.
Well, you might see it as "focus on Bucky".. but that is sort of wrong. Something as big as an attack to the UN is related to him, so of course you start there. If Bucky wasn't it, he could know the reason why it happened. As a detective, that would be your first link! He had to prevent them from killing him, in order to get information. Unknown to them, it also attracted the real threat, allowing to get more information on his objective. Then, Team Stark didn't trust him.. it was written so that Cap and Bucky went to stop Zemo. In the end, you just can't let someone kill someone else simply because! It's dumb.
Also, Cap treated Tony as a friend until the end! HE was the reasonable one.
1) There was no resolution to the Zokovia accords because of Zemo and Bucky going mad again.. Things might have been different and he might have signed.. but priorities. 2) Also, Cap didn't kill him or let him kill someone needlessly.. don't your friends prevent you from doing something you might regret later? 3) Not telling him is reasonable, knowing how mad Stark is (Ultron?) and useless, as the parents are dead. 4) Not handing the shield or even saying sorry? Stark was pissed, and he wouldn't have listened anyway. Cap was tired.. and probably a bit mad, but he kept his mouth and emotions shut until later. Also, he probably knows that it's not about making himself look better, but making the situation better.
Tony tried to straight up murder the man he knew for certain wasn't actually responsible for his parents' deaths. If Cap can be a dick, Tony can be a psychopath.
To be fair, wanting to kill someone for killing your parents doesn't really fall into the realm of the term "Psychopath." Though I get what you're saying. Perhaps "Dangerously self-absorbed" may articulate it a tinge better.
"I shant chant againt. Feel like when you represent Americant, you really gotta be one hundred percent."
Also Michael shouting USA at the background and the other customers joining in was awesome.
1M subscribers? congratulations guys good job keep it up. love from Vancouver
You guys know they completely neutered the movie cap compared to the comic cap. The comic cap was against the patriot act, against prism, and the spy networks being used on the US, and he died fighting against it.
Did you guys plan your outfits to color coordinate with the avengers?
Yes, they explain it in the end plate.
of course they did
#noloveforhawkeye
I wish you guys did this bit more than once a month! I love after hours!!!
I love how they get Explosm to do animation
Riri is officially called Iron-Heart! But ironman all the same. I suppose they might have filmed this before Marvel chose the name.
And she really does look like Riri that's damn cool there.
ahh riri ...iron "man" for sjw "re-res"...
Yeah, Starline (Riri) said so in the comment above.
Apparently, liking a black superhero makes you an "Sjw" now? I guess if you want to officially proclaim that the anti-SJWs are actually all about white people. I mean...you all did already pretty much proclaim that with the alt right movement as it is, so...
nope...but liking a tokenism , thinly veiled attempt to pander like fake iron "man" does make one an idiotic millennial sjw f*cktard ....otoh ....the alt right can eat a box of sharpened dicks ....not a bigot , just a comics purist /shrug
heyyyy that's Starline Hodge from sourcefed!
Yeah!
Now if I remember correctly, it was Loki's decision to attack New York, not any member of the Avengers. From the viewpoint of somebody that was alive before the MCU, no one was calling Iron Man--or Captain America--Marvel's Batman before the Avengers movies. If we took an honest look at Iron Man, we'd probably admit that we liked it so much because it was good to see Robert Downey Junior getting work again.
“No DanieI, I shant chant agant, feel like when you represant Americant u really gotta be at 100 percant.”😂🤣 I would love to see the bloopers from that line😂
Do not compare cap to trump!
They did so because they got Cap wrong.
They only compared him to Trump in the aspect of starting world wars and getting a lot of people killed.
Well he certainly isn't Hillary. Neither of the candidates represent the values that cap stands for.
Silverizael Cap doesn't start wars. And as foolish as Trump is, I don't think he has started wars either. Doesn't matter because Cap has nothing in common with Trump.
Black Panther is the Batman of Marvel. Broody, rich, "only human" yet they're both masters of basically everything, use both gadgets and martial arts, etc etc. Also I'm Team Iron all the way but the Avengers did everything they could in NYC. What were they supposed to do? "Oh man, Loki is unleashing his army in the middle of a highly populated area. Well we should let the government nuke the place or whatever. Don't want to get blamed for making the situation worse". Yeah there was a lot of damage and casualties but for a conflict against a technologically advanced race coming out of a portal in one of the most populated places in the world, I have to say it was kept pretty contained.
Even if they had tried to lure Loki out of the city, that wouldn't have changed the location of the alien invasion, since Loki decided to stick to the Avengers, and especially Tony, by putting the Teseract, which opened the portal, on top of Tony's new tower in the middle of Manhattan. How could Steve probably have managed to avoid all of that?
Michael’s killing me with how he didn’t stop for a while
For the first time, totally disagreed with every point. still like the show, but this one was just wrong.
Yeah. They got about 90% of their facts dead wrong.
LOTR was about as accurate and well fact checked.
The whole argument is dumb because of how many basic facts they get wrong.
How exactly was Captain America supposed to "lure Loki out" when the entire reason Loki set up the portal in New York was to take advantage of the Arc Reactor Tony built into Stark Tower? They're accusing Cap of bad tactics but ignoring that Cap was reacting to Loki's actions and didn't have the options they are accusing him of not taking.
Cap's tactics were entirely appropriate for the situation: Contain the damage to the smallest area they could control, evacuate civilians, and maximize the effectiveness of his arsenal of tools.
Also, Nomad's costume was blue and yellow. Captain America dressed in the black outfit as The Captain when the US government claimed to have own the rights to the Captain America identity and tried to use that claim to bring Cap under government control.
Also, it was a pretty darn good plan considering Cap had only been thawed out, what, two weeks MCU time when Loki happened?
He was still getting around the idea of it not being the 1940s anymore, and yet he didn't flip out at Tony's suit (he was friends with Howard, after all) and helped fix the helicarrier (all jokes about "some form of electricity" aside) and didn't have much problem figuring out the most efficient ways to shield-bash tech-wielding aliens from another dimension. With his useless vibranium Frisbee that defies physics.
Despite still having trouble with that whole not-the-1940s-since-two-weeks-ago thing.
And by the time Winter Soldier rolled around, he's using touchscreen tablets, smartphones, HUDs, and sophisticated aircraft just fine. It's not that Cap isn't a tech guy. He's smart and adaptable and learns the tech just fine.
It's that he's reluctant allies with Tony Stark, who has an existential crisis every time someone brings attention to the fact that, genius or not, he can't stop bad things from happening and tries to do it anyway. Which inevitably makes all the things worse.
Cap's MCU job has become avoiding shady government oversight (SHIELD/HYDRA is only the tip of the iceberg there), cleaning up Tony Stark's messes, and trying desperately to hold onto the few people he can still call friends -- Bucky Barnes, Peggy Carter, Sam Wilson, Natasha Romanov, Wanda Maximoff, etc. -- because everything he had before is gone forever. Thus far, even through Civil War (because we all watched the codas, right?), he's doing a pretty darn good job.
Sorry. I gotta defend Cap. He's not my favorite, but he's always stood up for the little guy (including himself). Someone has to stand up for him at least once.
Seems like I'm having another bout revisiting these masterpiece "After Hours" skits. Absolute gems!
So much wrong with the argument that I'm not even upset about it. Like watching adorable kids argue about science while getting it all wrong.
So what you are saying is that Captain America is EXACTLY like America is, one that wants to do good but keep making worse villeins every time it tries.
If you think the people making decisions in the USA are trying to do good, you need another hefty dose of cynicism.
Her codename is Ironheart, not Ironman. Also, they didn't choose for the invasion to happen in New York. that just happened to be where Tony's arc reactor was. They did what they could to limit the death toll.
Cogline Erro still did a better job then Superman in man of steel
damn, i really miss these guys and after hours...
1:46 Michael in the background
The whole point of Batman is that he's not alone. He has friends who are better at certain aspects of his job then he is. He needs people to be a hero.
Lead the army to *where*, exactly? they were in the middle of Manhattan Island, with an *Open Portal*. leading the first wave away would've left the subsequent waves free to run around blowing stuff up elsewhere. Exactly the thing Cap was trying to prevent.
Cap's plan was to keep the fighting, and thus the collateral damage, confined to the area already hit in the initial invasion.
So Captain America causes high collateral damage, a negligent leader, doesn't get much done, only cares about his close buddies (as opposed to everyone else), high in patriotism but very glamorous and inspiring. He's the perfect representation of America.
Have you seen any of his movies? Or read any of his comics?
And for one thing he was an actual captain, he always laid out the planning, he knew numerous martial art styles, and taught all the newbies essential military skills, he made sure everyone on the team was always at their best, that’s what good leaders do. They see things from the inside and the out, whether you were a god of thunder or just a dude with some bow and arrow, or even some extras during World War II, your place in all this was crucial to maximizing everyone’s safety, and was integral for success. And even when times got tough, he still managed to make everyone feel like they were team, like they were a family. Cuz he knew that’s what made them strong, that’s what made them unstoppable. It’s what truly made this solider, super...
To be fair regarding the bit about finding Bucky; Thor and Hulk were on a totally different planet. Everyone pretty much agreed what solar system Bucky was in. A bit easier to narrow down.
*_USA! USA! USA! USA! (Gets a ton of Mexicans to join in)._*
Why do I keep going back to watch these? I always just get disappointed.
What haircut
Chris Hayes'. I'm not hating but there is a resemblance.
3:08 Just caught "Tone Lōki"
LOVE after hours SO much.
Huh. Normally I'm with these guys but this was... off. Maybe it's just because the MCU is my wheelhouse. Huh.
1- Steve didn't pick the venue of the fight in New York, Loki did. The fight was where the gate was. Steve's plan was to keep the fight centralized to minimize damage outside of the already effed neighborhood.
2- The list was explicitly pop culture stuff that he wrote down when people said; "Hey, check out the thing. He also talked about reading a lot on the Internet to catch up. He shows zero hesitation to learn new tech when he must, but keeps the shield because it works.
3- Did he ever abandon a mission to go after Bucky? Because I don't think he did.
4- Steve's strategy is always pretty spot on in the different situations he ends up in. His campaign against Hydra in WW2 was nearly flawless, his fight strategy in New York did exactly what it was supposed to do, when he realized his team was watching the wrong target he adapted and brought down Crossbones without much fuss save the bomb hit that killed Wakanda.
5- The Winter Soldier and Civil War are pretty much two whole movies of Steve questioning authority.
So this vid only really works if you don't know much about Rogers. Is that why other videos are funny? Because I don't get those properties? CURSES!
No, I think the other videos are good because they're thoughtful and informed.
Not sure why this one isn't.
I had to rewatch the start because I was so distracted by the background 😂
The whole reason they are wrong about the chitari invasion is explained in one line cap says "until we can close that portal our priority is containment."
Admittedly, a lot of the issues the Avengers face isn't exactly their fault. Even if they led the Chitauri out of New York, the portal was still open over Stark Tower, so New York would've actually been in more danger without Avengers protecting it. Additionally, the US military decided to launch a nuke at the city, hoping that everything would sort itself out, so the Avengers did actually save the world.
As for Ultron, Tony technically made him because of a vision that Scarlet Witch gave to him at the start of the movie. As for the Sokovia Accords and Civil War, Rogers can't be called a rebel when Tony broke the Accords when it benefited him. To quote HISHE, it should have really been called the Tony Stark Accords.
Jared Thompson No.. The fact that Tony just announced that he’s Ironman pretty much made him target for any villian attacks like what literally happened in his old house.. The fact that he made his new one in the middle of a crowded city is like literally asking for a 9/11 scenario..
Umm, the "Avengers" actually saved the world? No, I believe it was clearly TONY STARK who carried the nuke up into the wormhole, ending the Chitauri invasion as he single-handedly saved New York City and tens of millions of people, plus saved the world from the war that would inevitably follow the loss of its most important city. Give Tony credit where credit is due -- HE saved the day.
Mary P Black Widow actually closed the portal though
um actually the accords were never ratified cos of the un bombing so stark didn't break anything
US Military? The 'World Council ' launched the nuke.
and actually cap had nothing to do with Loki choosing stark tower. he needed a stable power source. and the only one that is off the grid and is large enough is the new arc reactor tony built. a lot of the things that happens is that Hawkeye knew that they could get shield to pull Tony away from his house for a couple of days on a wild goose Chase. those were tactics that the shield agents knew how to enforce as they are all spies. especially hawkeye since he's a highly ranked shield agent it's not at all difficult to see that once he got Barton he gained a near full proof way to get what he wanted. the real problem was since pepper wasn't at the tower she wouldn't have been there to call for help when random people were schlepping tech to the roof.
I love the Cyanide and Happiness animation.
Didn't I see a video like this from RUclips comidan Ryan Davis,this is going to be good.😂😂😂
I love how Swaim is hulking out in the background for the first two minutes of this video. This shoot must have been hilarious