I am one of those people this is targeted to! I am not crazy about 3D games and have no interest in the Xbox and PS4. Sure I have the old systems still, but I am excited that new and old games will come out.
Its fun coming back to this time when it was just about the idea of what the Amico is and as someone with a 5 year old I doubt he'd even touch this. We play Mario Kart 8 together which is very accessible to young children and now the new Kirby Forgotten Lands game and he loves it, all family friendly too
You guys should do a rise and fall of the amico documentary, or just do a giant cut of the podcast documenting every mention of the Amico so we have an easy access timeline to watch this thing fall apart
I have plenty of Intellivision consoles. I don’t need a port on the Amico to play my carts. I would lose out on the ability to plug in my multi-cart from LTO though!! I heard the extra expense doesn’t make sense for us 100 players who would want the cartridge port :) I do have every title ever made ... but again... I have an original console to play those games :)
Hoo boy what a saga this has been, it's 2021 and it still hasn't been released, a ton of the points Tommy announced was walked back and almost nothing they said was true lol
Honestly, Intellivision is making an astronomical mistake with the idea of them even thinking of releasing a console in a market saturated with them already,let alone only releasing games catered to kids completely. There are all kinds of folks out there that play games, and perhaps want different things in them, so theoretically a T-rated RPG with graphics similar to the original Intellivision wouldn't make it. They are reminding me too much of the Atari VCS, and the Coleco Chameleon in the aspect they are trying to market a "new" retro console when that has not really worked well at all, especially in the case of the Coleco Chameleon, when it turned out to be a SNES with circuit boards of a capture card slapped on top of a picture taken of the supposed "console" from a transparent plastic shell to cover up the fact that it was indeed a SNES console that was being used, instead of the supposed Coleco Chameleon. Only difference here is that the Amico is not crowd-funded, but still is such a horrible idea that I'm surprised that they are even wasting their time at all with another new "retro" console, when this idea has never worked, and probably never will.
I was at the public unveiling at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo, and spoke at length with Bill Fisher, VP of Technology, and one of the original "Blue Sky Rangers"-- the team of game designers and programmers of the original Intellivision. ALL of the Blue Sky Rangers are involved in the development of this new console and of the games. Also, they didn't mention it publicly but this project has a real financial plan and is backed by venture capital-- it is fully funded and is NOT being crowdsourced. This makes it distinctly different from the other retro consoles that have appeared recently. With regard to the redesign of the games, Bill told me that they're making a real effort to not lose any of the "magic" of the old great Intellivision games, and that it's crucial to them that games have the same style and feel of play. For example, Astrosmash was a great game (basically, a frantic version of Space Invaders with Asteroids instead of aliens). With new tech, they can have a huge number of smoothly animated, flicker-free asteroids coming at you (anyone who played console games during the NES era became quickly familiar with flickering sprites when too many appeared on-screen simultaneously. This will be a non-issue with a modern 2D graphic chipset. You can have a beautifully animated parallax scrolling ground, simulating 3D but remaining fully 2D, and a photorealistic starfield as the background. Additionally they're adding things that never appeared in the original Astrosmash, like "rubberized" asteroids that make your missiles bounce and jelly-like asteroids that split apart into globs. There's nothing inherently "childish" about these concepts; it's just a fun blast-em-up game that's accessible to anyone. I think people forget that in the late 1970s early 1980s, EVERY game was inherently E10+ or younger (even though there was no ESRB at the time, because there was no need for one). A game rated E10+ doesn't necessary need to be a juvenile, Sesame Street title, and I think the media (including Pat) doesn't do a very good job of clarifying this. An E-rated game doesn't immediately mean a game isn't fun, just as an M-rated doesn't automatically mean a game IS fun. Having a E10+ ratings means "for ages 10 and up" but somehow, I think people inherently forget about the "and up" part and dismiss it as being for kids. In that way, the ESRB ratings do a disservice to games like this that are not childish, and are fun for everyone (like Burgertime, for example). Now, about the controllers. I think some subtlety was lost in the review here. This is NOT a disc controller-- it's a Wii-style motion controller with a modern D-pad SHAPED like a disc, meant to evoke the look of the original controller but without the poor functionality that original gold disc had. This means that you'll be able to use the controller in any number of configurations. You will NOT be locked into the vertical orientation like with the original Intellivision. I fully understand your hesitation at using the little side buttons as a primary firing button, but 1) you'll in theory be able to play Astrosmash, for example, with the controller in a horizontal position so you can use it as a more comfortable bumper button or 2) perhaps a virtual button on the touch screen will allow for a more traditional positioning thumb-activated fire button. In any case, the controllers have huge potential for innovation since motion controls weren't a part of 1970s/80s gaming and can bring some really fresh mechanics to reimagined classic games. Lastly, as for the intended audience, I think you're right that they're aiming for a divergent set of demographics. "Old people", like me, who were kids when they played Intellivision are interested, and many of us have kids now and would like to introduce them to "safe" video gaming, like the NES provided. So there is crossover here. Additionally, they're trying to hook in the large demographic of "non-gamers"-- essentially the people who bought a Wii to play Tennis and Bowling, and then never bought anything else. Tallarico is trying to emulate what it was like to play games in the early 80s-- fun, accessible games that anyone could play, but with modern tweaks.
I think there is a mistake aiming this at families. I understand why, I just don't think it's the best idea. I have young kids, and they really are not going to care. They are into tablet, Switch and a few PS4 games that I let them play. Why would I drop over $150 on this when I could just buy them games for the platforms they already enjoy? I hope it works out for the company, as the idea isn't to bad.
This is for parents who are afraid of modern consoles I guess. Not saying I agree, but given his blurb here they are aiming at people who are literally afraid of modern consoles.
@@SamuraiMotoko I really does make a good point. Now that Nintendo has made the leap to allow these type of adult games onto their systems there is a glut in the market for a console that I can simply plop my seven-year-old in front of and not worry about him being traumatized. I'm almost 40 now (38) and looking back on it the NES was like that to my parents. I'm interested to see where this goes.
@@Chrispypullen Nintendo has always had all sorts of games. Sure it was a bit more family focused than it's competitors in the past, and still is, but it's always had all sorts of games.
I think that's just a problem with older parents. Younger, tech savvy parents could easily enable parental block. People who grew up with video games could easily tell how violent a game is based on it's ESRB rating. In fact, I'm sure the Switch asks if you want to enable parental block on setup. The example he gave is pretty flimsy. Why would there be blood on the screen? Did she also buy Doom or Wolfenstein 2, two very clearly violent games for her kid? Does the kid have her credit card info? There are so many barriers that prevent kids from playing stuff like that. The parent is just being careless. I don't think the "careless parent" market is a big enough one to make a whole console for.
@@no_nameyouknow sure that all sorts of games but when the NES came out you didn't have to worry about things like Mortal Kombat or Grand Theft Auto being on the screen. It's completely different.
Do you think it's the KIDS who make money at work and go to the store to purchase consoles? Because I guarantee it's not. It's their overprotective, tech illiterate parents who don't want to worry that little Jimmy might accidentally see a male presenting nipple on his Nintendo Playstation 360.
To continue the conversation that kids are more inclined to play video games today, I got a perfect example of that I experienced firsthand. Last year, a friend of ours was over and her 6 year old daughter was dying to play Mario Odyssey. This girl had never touched a Switch before that day, and she blew by the first few worlds in almost no time. By comparison, I remember struggling in Mario 64 when I was 10 in Jolly Roger Bay. It's a different era now.
The fact people say Pat and Ian were negative from the start and were hoping the Amico was going to fail is utter trash and wrong. It is quite disturbing at how much Tommy Tallarico was able to brainwash people to get on one side or the other is pretty crazy. I cannot believe a bunch of youtubers went to bat for Tommy to try and get people to either invest into the Amico business or that a viable product was going to be released in the near future is just sad. This video was nothing but discussing and asking legitimate questions about a new video game console and whether there was a market for something of this nature. Pat and Ian even go on to complement the people behind the Amico business that if things went right they might be able to pull off and produce a good product. I think what really went wrong here is starting a business from the ground up is incredibly difficult and Tommy 100% is to blame as he was not a capable CEO to properly allocate funds in a proper way to get a business up and running. It seems Tommy was more interested in creating the facade that everything was great from the start and that he wanted the look and prestige of running a fortune 500 company from the start rather than just getting product units out the door first and building up from there. Tommy misused funds because instead of building a company by going from A to B to C he wanted to go from A to Z in one fell swoop. I kind of feel bad for all the people who either invested money or bought into the Amico from the crowed funding.
So let me get this right, Intellivision is banking on nostalgia for the name. If you were 12 and buying an intellivision back in 79, that makes you 51 years old now. If you are 51, you aren't buying games for your under 10 year old kid. If you had kids, they are probably pushing 30s now. Might have kids of their own. Intellivision missed the marketing by an entire generation.
If this system only played all of the games released on the old intellivision i would still buy it. i really love the disc controller it is basically just a big thumbstick. They could always just make a different controller and sell it separately if they wanted
Switch and DS fill the niche already. Who is this marketed for? We have the ESRB, CERO, and PEGI rating boards for a reason. This is a stupid idea that is going to fail. The console crash in the 80s showed it, the micro android based console crashed recently. Kids have smart phones and tablets already. Go back to composing music, Tommy.
All the questions addressed here; why keep 2D, why E and E10 only, Nintendo being a family console also, cell phone games, etc; Tommy Tallarico addressed all this stuff at the PRGE panel specifically and compared how those issues apply to the Intellivison. Hoping the panel video hits youtube soon. Don't know if I am sold on the system, but I definitely get where he is going with this.
Not just messenger, but messengers. A lot of people with experience in the video game industry behind this. So to answer your question if it was a chinese company, I wouldn't believe anything until I see it. But let's flip that around. If Nintendo was announcing the same thing/video/pitch, how would you react? We already know that answer. The Wii sold super well to people who were not gamers, like my grandmother. But since there is no crowd funding behind this, I can at least take them more seriously as something which isn't a cash grab. I get the vision they are going for, and hope it succeeds because of that. But if it is a failure, oh well. None of us put money behind it, so not much of a loss from that perspective.
You guys missed the entire point. Maybe should have watched the keynote. This isn't about games for kids, it's about making things simple for mom and dad and grandparents....it's a family console.
I think the controller looks great.. not 100% crazy about the touch screen, but it does make sense as it can change as per game just like the old slips.
I completely agree with you because i also think the controller looks great and i also like the fact that it's going to be something different and with old slips too in my opinion.
The primary focus should be having quality games that are interesting and appeal to the modern gamer. Tommy talks about parents buying a console and then not having to worry about what games are suitable for their kids; However, if the parents are (theoretically) going to also want to have their hands on the console's game controller, then why wouldn't there just be an easy way to change content settings? I know it's probably not a feasible idea, but I think it would be a cool idea to have two SKUs- one standard Amico allowing games of all ESRB ratings, and the Amico Family which automatically blocks games with a more mature rating from surfacing/showing on the store and does not allow such games to execute on the console. ...I know this probably goes against the simplicity Tommy wants for the consumer (to not have to have two SKUs to choose from). I'm probably making too big of a deal about this. It's not much harder to make a fun game without blood, excessive violence, suggestive themes, or strong language. Isn't any betting/gambling games rated T for Teen?- which would include many Intellivision titles- Las Vegas Roulette. Horse Racing. Las Vegas Poker & Blackjack. Las Vegas Craps. Royal Dealer.
Drink a Beer and Play a Game Exactly, kids these days don’t really give a shit about retro games. If it aint got Fortnite, Roblox, or Minecraft then it’ll bust
@iVirtualPlays it's hard for consoles to distinguish themselves now in days as consoles are mainly just glorified computers in today's world. Most games that run on ps or xbox also can run on computers which is why most third parties spread their games on both consoles ( it's all about maximizing profit) which is why the " only on intellivision" in s a concerning argument. Its sadly a double edged sword and can just as much hurt their chances at procuring developers for the console as well as draw in consumers if they can truly make some unique games ( also pirate and bootleggers who will obviously steal the character designs to make shady mobile games...its sad the world we live in now:( ).
I'm mostly worried by kids going like "Why should I own an Amico, when I can own what everybody else does?" In a world where Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are running the industry, the power of brand identity and peer pressure leaves little to no room for newcomers. I really want to believe in a children's system, like the Sega Pico. I am not a fan of AAA games, so I am looking forward to this.
I know it's out of your wheelhouse, but I think it's worth mentioning that things like Leapfrog exist and have been apparently successful for years. There are also a lot of parents out there spending hundreds on iPads and stuff for toddler friendly games. I don't know if this will be successful or not, but at the very least, if they are aiming for part of that market, I don't think it's too crazy to think this has a chance at being a financially viable venture. I may be way off, but to me it seems like they are trying to bridge that gap between Leapfrog and 'real' consoles. The Intellivision branding is a little odd, but if it sells even a few more units, why not?
Forkenstein your comment supports exactly their point on the target market. Both your examples are portable devices with inexpensive software. Not to mention and ipad has way more utility and a giant eco system oh and produced by a billion dollar company. It's like they keep saying, they are trying to create a solution where there isnt a problem. If they had released this before Nintendo started releasing their minis it may have had a chance but there is 0 market for this now. It's DOA!
Replacing the keypad with the touchscreen, in my opinion, makes those controllers more accessible for a newcomer who might be a kid growing up with smartphones. A lot of us older folks criticize the keypad and how clunky the controller was in general but now it's design updated for the modern day actually makes it appear relevant. To the kids, the touchscreen is the center focus and they'll just adapt to the physical buttons and disk around it as gameplay asks. But this all depends in the first place on the adult responsible for their gaming consumption wanting to introduce this new machine to them. That's me giving them the benefit of the doubt. Frankly, this whole thing smacks of a passion project for Tommy Tallarico, his love of the Intellivision is well known.
After recently watching hours of coverage on this thing. Seeing these two MFs look into their crystal ball and be spot on is absolutely hilarious. Good on you guys for taking a stance and sticking to it.
Anyone that already has one of the main consoles just won't look at this. Unless of course you're a collector of anything and everything retro. Outside of that market though I can't really see this being much of a success.
Excited about the new Intellivision. For the price, it’s a no-brainer for me to push my gaming from the early 80’s to modern-day. The revised titles will be incredibly awesome to play !!! And yes, I still love the Intellivision Running Man :) Ps) we need the Intellivision controller - otherwise why call it Intellivision? I hear they’re coming out with alternative controllers for those who hate it... but if you hate the Intellivision then this console is not for you... just like the X Box and PlayStation are not for me :) Take care guys!!
If the Intellivision is so irrelevant, then why is Pat getting so upset over the branding? Let's just wait and see what it does. It already sounds better than any of the Flashback or @games cash-grabs littering the stores.
Now that Nintendo has made the leap to allow these type of adult games onto their systems there is a glut in the market for a console that I can simply plop my seven-year-old in front of and not worry about him being traumatized. I'm almost 40 now (38) and looking back on it the NES was like that to my parents. I'm interested to see where this goes.
Its branded Intellevision for hardware brand recognition and legacy, its filled with old Intellevision games, and the controller adds uniqueness which you guys are complaining this console doesn't have.
I think the difference between this and an ipad is most games they say family oriented which also means multiplayer so a game a parent can play with thier kids.
Failure in every sense of the word. I asked for a 2600 for Christmas and thanks to my awesome parents (sigh) I got the Intellivision. The game console I learned to love to play by myself because every fucking friend came over all excited, used the controller, then never wanted to touch it again. The controller was a significant reason for Intellivision's DOWNFALL. That they are HIGHLIGHTING that is batshit crazy. But regardless of the controller, even if they put out a regular gamepad style one, this console has no market. Everything they want to do is done better by Nintendo, a smartphone, or tablet. Shit, if SEGA couldn't hang with the big three, sure as shit this....thing isn't either.
I like the idea of the Amico but I doubt it will sell well outside the US. Well in the UK we love our dirt cheap games but offensive games and violence and not bothering with caring about age ratings is kind of the UK bread and butter. So maybe it will do well in other countries Europe.
I think the AD&D can happen by removing the D&D label. They did it on the flashback disc for PC... The game was created way before it was labelled a D&D game in the first place ;) ... just call it cloudy mountain.
I don't think Nintendo is making the concessions to the hardcore market close to as much as third parties are, in fact I'm pretty sure Nintendo spends a noticeable amount more funding more "hardcore" focused games than family friendly, not out of an interest for family friendly games but just due to the fact that they inherently cost more to develop. I think third parties are just failing to support the system as well as Nintendo expected, and that is most certainly on Nintendo (poor communication on the handheld nature of the system to publishers like Capcom, not waiting long enough to get the more powerful X2 in the system), but when you look on what is not Nintendo on the system, third party games most certainly lean to hardcore on Switch far more than the family market. With that said, Nintendo themselves are still making plenty of family friendly games on the system, and that is what is still driving a large part of the sales momentum for the hardware right now, so I would certainly agree that they are filling the niche perfectly well at this time, but I'd never argue that as developers that is their focus more or less than any other niche.
I just wish these people throwing money at retro gaming would throw it towards something consumers are actually demanding. They could make a mint selling replacement SNES shells, a Game Gear clone, or an adapter for using a Zapper with a Famicom.
Out of all the companies that have tried to resurrect brand names such as Kaliko and Atari, intellivision seems to be the only one who's got their act together. But time will tell
Affordability is key. Technology is supposed to make these consoles and titles easier and cheaper to attain. Like a print of the Mona Lisa is supposed to be cheaper than the original. Exaggerated example for sure, but applicable.
I hope they go back to the drawing board on those controllers. Unless they have some revolutionary tech that's super precise up their sleeve, the touch screen is going to be especially awful if game play depends heavily on it.
these guys only saw the trailer and didnt do their homework the head of intellivision did an hour plus interview explaining all this. this is the wii 2 for parents
Good point about kids having tablets and phones. Agree on the controller design too...it’s just not ideal. However, a comment about 2D vs 3D games. My 6 year old plays games on his Fire tablet, and most of the games he plays are 2D. They are not traditional console genres mind you, but the fact that they are not in 3D doesn’t seem to matter to children. There are countless flash type games on phones that kids eat up.
If when I was five in 95 sneaking down at 7am to boot up DOS to play Mech Warrior on, then kids today are sneaking sessions of Dark Souls no problem, not to mention what most kids I know play is Roblox, and that shit is basically coding 101 for kids, rest my case. Also I’ll say it, I don’t like Nintendo, never have, as a kid thought Mario was lame as shit, but you guys ain’t being fanboys; you’re being right.
I don't see the controllers being that big of a problem, I mean they look kinda like a smart phone and have touch screens, and most kids are probably really used to the touch screen controls from playing with smart phones anyway, and who knows they could end up releasing a separate Amico pro or something another controller, similar to what Nintendo did with the Switch pro controller.
Mmmm no, however the controllers and the console itself from an aesthetic standpoint interest me. (yes it looks cool IMO). It'll be interesting to see how this goes and what changes along the way. It'll need to have some really nice 2D graphics, not just the Intellivision level of graphics. I'm curious how they can incorporate the system hardware (wireless charging, touch pad, gyroscope accelerometers, force feedback etc... at the price point .. $180?
19:20 okay, so that's what they meant by "Equal opportunity gaming" or whatever it was in the trailer. No offense, I know the guy's a legend in the gaming realm, but this is so silly.
I think there is a possibility this could succeed based on those working on it. Never will match current console success obviously, but I could see it being about as popular as the current Mini-Systems if they market it right. I think it all sounds pretty good based on what I saw, I just hope they consider having some way to do physical copies of some of these games. That would be a huge draw for the retro-gamers (probably the most who will be interested in this) and collectors, plus you then have the possibility of companies like Limited Run doing releases of these titles which would in-turn provide even more awareness of the platform in the first place to other markets. This is a hell a lot more appealing then the Atari-whatever that is coming out.
What the hell is Tellarico talking about? Kids figure out today's games in two seconds. If anything it's way easier to get into modern games with all the tutorials and hand holding they do. So the "complexity" that he talks about isn't an issue. Also, I don't get who the fuck this is marketed to. Kids don't care about Intellivision, grandparents do. But I can't see Intellivision fans buying this for 170$ that's a ludicrous price. Id be surprised if 1000 people wanted one. Also it seems like the Amico team hasn't done a Google search in awhile because there are literally MILLIONS of kid friendly games on Apple, Google, Steam and the various consoles online stores. MILLIONS. These games cost from 2-10$ usually. That doesn't when include the various web based games that kids play. So it seems like their market research team isnt doing their due diligence. The controller looks horrible. Old school gamers want tactile buttons not touch screen shit not to mention that the circle dpad has always been shit. They should have made a SNES/Genesis type controller to use. And that doesn't even go into the way the mockup of the system looks. It's horrible and looks like hospital equipment. Why wouldn't they go for a more Intellivision look? It's like they use the name for recognition yet do nothing else to harken back to the consoles Heyday other than the horrible controller design.
I like COMPETITION...I like MULTIPLE consoles on the market...I like EXCLUSIVES to consoles...I like ARCADE games of SKILL to get HIGH scores/walk away/walk back for a BETTER score. SO...I hope it makes it to market BUT I PROBABLY won't buy it...will be playing my 2019 Atari VCS & HOPEFULLY Sega will bring out a new console by 2020 as well. Good Luck Intellivision.
You mean another console that has options out there already headed by someone who doesn't know the market? Man I'm glad this is the only time this happened
I had an intellivision when I was a kid. My favorite game was the one where you drop flower pots on bugs or whatever was crawling up the wall. It was so long ago I can't remember the name of the game.. I did not like the controllers though.
Do you think the Intellivision Amico will find its market, and do you agree that the Intellivision branding does more harm than good?
its very interesting time will tell if it sells
I actually think it looks kind of charming and at a $150ish price point I'd actually be intrested. I do think the marketing is dumb as hell though.
I am one of those people this is targeted to! I am not crazy about 3D games and have no interest in the Xbox and PS4. Sure I have the old systems still, but I am excited that new and old games will come out.
The console looks like a to go box you get in a restaurant
James Dinser it looks like one? I think it IS one
Pat and Ian realizing from the start that this was a DOA product for a market that doesn’t exist.
Oh, come on now. The Amico wasn’t dead on arrival.
You’d have to actually arrive. It was dead before it reached the start. LOL
@@Jfam11638 good one🤣🤣🤣
Hehe, interesting to come back to the early discussions about the Amico, knowing what we know now.
It is, isn't it?
IMO they were completely fair. Probably more than they should have been, if anything.
I’m on a total Amico kick right now. Pat and Ian have been right about pretty much everything.
@@worldsheaviestjamband93
Yeah, they were spot on with a lot!
Its fun coming back to this time when it was just about the idea of what the Amico is and as someone with a 5 year old I doubt he'd even touch this. We play Mario Kart 8 together which is very accessible to young children and now the new Kirby Forgotten Lands game and he loves it, all family friendly too
You guys should do a rise and fall of the amico documentary, or just do a giant cut of the podcast documenting every mention of the Amico so we have an easy access timeline to watch this thing fall apart
It never even got to rise hahaha.
Not buying it unless they put a cartridge port on the side and release a wood grain edition.
Omg thatd be so neat..a wireless cartridge port!
Well we are halfway there now. They announced a special edition Woodgrain version of the Amico today.
I have plenty of Intellivision consoles. I don’t need a port on the Amico to play my carts.
I would lose out on the ability to plug in my multi-cart from LTO though!!
I heard the extra expense doesn’t make sense for us 100 players who would want the cartridge port :)
I do have every title ever made ... but again... I have an original console to play those games :)
@@televisionplayer3990 not everyone fucking has an intellivision
Looks like some sort of Vick's Vapo-Rub humidifier from the late 00's.
Hoo boy what a saga this has been, it's 2021 and it still hasn't been released, a ton of the points Tommy announced was walked back and almost nothing they said was true lol
Honestly, Intellivision is making an astronomical mistake with the idea of them even thinking of releasing a console in a market saturated with them already,let alone only releasing games catered to kids completely. There are all kinds of folks out there that play games, and perhaps want different things in them, so theoretically a T-rated RPG with graphics similar to the original Intellivision wouldn't make it.
They are reminding me too much of the Atari VCS, and the Coleco Chameleon in the aspect they are trying to market a "new" retro console when that has not really worked well at all, especially in the case of the Coleco Chameleon, when it turned out to be a SNES with circuit boards of a capture card slapped on top of a picture taken of the supposed "console" from a transparent plastic shell to cover up the fact that it was indeed a SNES console that was being used, instead of the supposed Coleco Chameleon. Only difference here is that the Amico is not crowd-funded, but still is such a horrible idea that I'm surprised that they are even wasting their time at all with another new "retro" console, when this idea has never worked, and probably never will.
I was at the public unveiling at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo, and spoke at length with Bill Fisher, VP of Technology, and one of the original "Blue Sky Rangers"-- the team of game designers and programmers of the original Intellivision. ALL of the Blue Sky Rangers are involved in the development of this new console and of the games. Also, they didn't mention it publicly but this project has a real financial plan and is backed by venture capital-- it is fully funded and is NOT being crowdsourced. This makes it distinctly different from the other retro consoles that have appeared recently.
With regard to the redesign of the games, Bill told me that they're making a real effort to not lose any of the "magic" of the old great Intellivision games, and that it's crucial to them that games have the same style and feel of play. For example, Astrosmash was a great game (basically, a frantic version of Space Invaders with Asteroids instead of aliens). With new tech, they can have a huge number of smoothly animated, flicker-free asteroids coming at you (anyone who played console games during the NES era became quickly familiar with flickering sprites when too many appeared on-screen simultaneously. This will be a non-issue with a modern 2D graphic chipset. You can have a beautifully animated parallax scrolling ground, simulating 3D but remaining fully 2D, and a photorealistic starfield as the background. Additionally they're adding things that never appeared in the original Astrosmash, like "rubberized" asteroids that make your missiles bounce and jelly-like asteroids that split apart into globs.
There's nothing inherently "childish" about these concepts; it's just a fun blast-em-up game that's accessible to anyone. I think people forget that in the late 1970s early 1980s, EVERY game was inherently E10+ or younger (even though there was no ESRB at the time, because there was no need for one). A game rated E10+ doesn't necessary need to be a juvenile, Sesame Street title, and I think the media (including Pat) doesn't do a very good job of clarifying this. An E-rated game doesn't immediately mean a game isn't fun, just as an M-rated doesn't automatically mean a game IS fun. Having a E10+ ratings means "for ages 10 and up" but somehow, I think people inherently forget about the "and up" part and dismiss it as being for kids. In that way, the ESRB ratings do a disservice to games like this that are not childish, and are fun for everyone (like Burgertime, for example).
Now, about the controllers. I think some subtlety was lost in the review here. This is NOT a disc controller-- it's a Wii-style motion controller with a modern D-pad SHAPED like a disc, meant to evoke the look of the original controller but without the poor functionality that original gold disc had. This means that you'll be able to use the controller in any number of configurations. You will NOT be locked into the vertical orientation like with the original Intellivision. I fully understand your hesitation at using the little side buttons as a primary firing button, but 1) you'll in theory be able to play Astrosmash, for example, with the controller in a horizontal position so you can use it as a more comfortable bumper button or 2) perhaps a virtual button on the touch screen will allow for a more traditional positioning thumb-activated fire button. In any case, the controllers have huge potential for innovation since motion controls weren't a part of 1970s/80s gaming and can bring some really fresh mechanics to reimagined classic games.
Lastly, as for the intended audience, I think you're right that they're aiming for a divergent set of demographics. "Old people", like me, who were kids when they played Intellivision are interested, and many of us have kids now and would like to introduce them to "safe" video gaming, like the NES provided. So there is crossover here. Additionally, they're trying to hook in the large demographic of "non-gamers"-- essentially the people who bought a Wii to play Tennis and Bowling, and then never bought anything else. Tallarico is trying to emulate what it was like to play games in the early 80s-- fun, accessible games that anyone could play, but with modern tweaks.
This comment aged like milk.
@@PatTheNESpunk Please explain.
@@ZagnutBar 🤡
I think there is a mistake aiming this at families. I understand why, I just don't think it's the best idea. I have young kids, and they really are not going to care. They are into tablet, Switch and a few PS4 games that I let them play. Why would I drop over $150 on this when I could just buy them games for the platforms they already enjoy? I hope it works out for the company, as the idea isn't to bad.
This is for parents who are afraid of modern consoles I guess. Not saying I agree, but given his blurb here they are aiming at people who are literally afraid of modern consoles.
@Lassi Kinnunen it's a Wii
Not a PlayStation
It's a failure then.
It's a good idea to put these together to show you guys were fair from the start
Why can't they just do a parental block on the console instead of restricting developers?
@@SamuraiMotoko Thanks for the clarification! cheers!
@@SamuraiMotoko I really does make a good point. Now that Nintendo has made the leap to allow these type of adult games onto their systems there is a glut in the market for a console that I can simply plop my seven-year-old in front of and not worry about him being traumatized. I'm almost 40 now (38) and looking back on it the NES was like that to my parents. I'm interested to see where this goes.
@@Chrispypullen Nintendo has always had all sorts of games. Sure it was a bit more family focused than it's competitors in the past, and still is, but it's always had all sorts of games.
I think that's just a problem with older parents. Younger, tech savvy parents could easily enable parental block. People who grew up with video games could easily tell how violent a game is based on it's ESRB rating. In fact, I'm sure the Switch asks if you want to enable parental block on setup.
The example he gave is pretty flimsy. Why would there be blood on the screen? Did she also buy Doom or Wolfenstein 2, two very clearly violent games for her kid? Does the kid have her credit card info? There are so many barriers that prevent kids from playing stuff like that. The parent is just being careless. I don't think the "careless parent" market is a big enough one to make a whole console for.
@@no_nameyouknow sure that all sorts of games but when the NES came out you didn't have to worry about things like Mortal Kombat or Grand Theft Auto being on the screen. It's completely different.
Intellivision Amico, a console marketed towards kids...
Kids: What the hell is a Intellivision?...
No, a console marketed towards overly protective mothers. What kid wants a console with none of the "cool" games on it?
Do you think it's the KIDS who make money at work and go to the store to purchase consoles? Because I guarantee it's not. It's their overprotective, tech illiterate parents who don't want to worry that little Jimmy might accidentally see a male presenting nipple on his Nintendo Playstation 360.
I see a lot of disappointed kids in the future of this console.
it's 2022 going back to this video, sigh, it was simple times
To continue the conversation that kids are more inclined to play video games today, I got a perfect example of that I experienced firsthand. Last year, a friend of ours was over and her 6 year old daughter was dying to play Mario Odyssey. This girl had never touched a Switch before that day, and she blew by the first few worlds in almost no time. By comparison, I remember struggling in Mario 64 when I was 10 in Jolly Roger Bay. It's a different era now.
lol
These videos aged like fine wine. RTU is in trouble with his. Maybe in the long run he can redeem himself.
Pat - please bring back the Duke Togo mural!
I was about to say it wouldn't have been so bad if they had stuck with the $149 price tag, then I remembered they can't even make the damn thing.
That thing looks like a sandwich maker with two iPods on top of it.
what the fuck is a sandwich maker
@@siskavard a fucking panini press, you dumb shit
@@Rountree1985 is it called a sandwich maker or a fucking panini press you god damned fucking waste of human flesh
@@siskavard a woman
@@siskavard you're one pathetic clown
This is another one of those consoles that I can't see selling a single unit beyond initial crowdfunding.
except this one is not going to be crowdfunded.
@@BriansManCave hahahahahahha
The fact people say Pat and Ian were negative from the start and were hoping the Amico was going to fail is utter trash and wrong. It is quite disturbing at how much Tommy Tallarico was able to brainwash people to get on one side or the other is pretty crazy. I cannot believe a bunch of youtubers went to bat for Tommy to try and get people to either invest into the Amico business or that a viable product was going to be released in the near future is just sad.
This video was nothing but discussing and asking legitimate questions about a new video game console and whether there was a market for something of this nature. Pat and Ian even go on to complement the people behind the Amico business that if things went right they might be able to pull off and produce a good product. I think what really went wrong here is starting a business from the ground up is incredibly difficult and Tommy 100% is to blame as he was not a capable CEO to properly allocate funds in a proper way to get a business up and running.
It seems Tommy was more interested in creating the facade that everything was great from the start and that he wanted the look and prestige of running a fortune 500 company from the start rather than just getting product units out the door first and building up from there. Tommy misused funds because instead of building a company by going from A to B to C he wanted to go from A to Z in one fell swoop. I kind of feel bad for all the people who either invested money or bought into the Amico from the crowed funding.
It’s pretty drastic how calm Ian was back then talking about the Amico compared to full-blown shouting at the top his voice in 23/24. Funny :)
It's an absolutely insane plan.
Going back to this video in 2021 is hilarious
I love watching this in Feb 2022
$149-$179? LOL, the price doubled in 3 years.
So let me get this right, Intellivision is banking on nostalgia for the name. If you were 12 and buying an intellivision back in 79, that makes you 51 years old now. If you are 51, you aren't buying games for your under 10 year old kid. If you had kids, they are probably pushing 30s now. Might have kids of their own. Intellivision missed the marketing by an entire generation.
Another failed console announced under a relic name
Just gonna step back in to the past for a bit and laugh.
If this system only played all of the games released on the old intellivision i would still buy it. i really love the disc controller it is basically just a big thumbstick. They could always just make a different controller and sell it separately if they wanted
Multiple delays and multiple fundraising websites and it still hasn’t been released.
I would hazard that the gambling games on the original Intellivision probably would have been rated 'T' due to the nature of the games.
Switch and DS fill the niche already. Who is this marketed for? We have the ESRB, CERO, and PEGI rating boards for a reason. This is a stupid idea that is going to fail. The console crash in the 80s showed it, the micro android based console crashed recently. Kids have smart phones and tablets already. Go back to composing music, Tommy.
Amazing how this has aged.
All the questions addressed here; why keep 2D, why E and E10 only, Nintendo being a family console also, cell phone games, etc; Tommy Tallarico addressed all this stuff at the PRGE panel specifically and compared how those issues apply to the Intellivison. Hoping the panel video hits youtube soon. Don't know if I am sold on the system, but I definitely get where he is going with this.
Not just messenger, but messengers. A lot of people with experience in the video game industry behind this. So to answer your question if it was a chinese company, I wouldn't believe anything until I see it. But let's flip that around. If Nintendo was announcing the same thing/video/pitch, how would you react? We already know that answer. The Wii sold super well to people who were not gamers, like my grandmother.
But since there is no crowd funding behind this, I can at least take them more seriously as something which isn't a cash grab. I get the vision they are going for, and hope it succeeds because of that. But if it is a failure, oh well. None of us put money behind it, so not much of a loss from that perspective.
You guys missed the entire point. Maybe should have watched the keynote. This isn't about games for kids, it's about making things simple for mom and dad and grandparents....it's a family console.
It's OS is Vaporware 3.0 and constructed of 100% Unobtainium. Just as well. It's probably the least anticipated "Game Console" EVER!!
I think the controller looks great.. not 100% crazy about the touch screen, but it does make sense as it can change as per game just like the old slips.
I completely agree with you because i also think the controller looks great and i also like the fact that it's going to be something different and with old slips too in my opinion.
The primary focus should be having quality games that are interesting and appeal to the modern gamer.
Tommy talks about parents buying a console and then not having to worry about what games are suitable for their kids; However, if the parents are (theoretically) going to also want to have their hands on the console's game controller, then why wouldn't there just be an easy way to change content settings?
I know it's probably not a feasible idea, but I think it would be a cool idea to have two SKUs- one standard Amico allowing games of all ESRB ratings, and the Amico Family which automatically blocks games with a more mature rating from surfacing/showing on the store and does not allow such games to execute on the console.
...I know this probably goes against the simplicity Tommy wants for the consumer (to not have to have two SKUs to choose from).
I'm probably making too big of a deal about this. It's not much harder to make a fun game without blood, excessive violence, suggestive themes, or strong language. Isn't any betting/gambling games rated T for Teen?- which would include many Intellivision titles- Las Vegas Roulette. Horse Racing. Las Vegas Poker & Blackjack. Las Vegas Craps. Royal Dealer.
Wasn't Ian talking about bondage majong on Nintendo last week?
A man of culture I guess
The start of a disaster of an era.
whos here in 2021!!!!
This is intelligent television.
yes it is!!
Nope
If it doesn't have Fortnite or Minecraft no kid will care. It's a nice idea in theory but there's no chance this is successful
Drink a Beer and Play a Game Exactly, kids these days don’t really give a shit about retro games. If it aint got Fortnite, Roblox, or Minecraft then it’ll bust
My niece loves Spyro and Mario.
that is of course if those games still are around in 2020 ;-)
@@BriansManCave you shouldn't underestimate Retro, this is still talked about isn't it?
@iVirtualPlays it's hard for consoles to distinguish themselves now in days as consoles are mainly just glorified computers in today's world. Most games that run on ps or xbox also can run on computers which is why most third parties spread their games on both consoles ( it's all about maximizing profit) which is why the " only on intellivision" in s a concerning argument. Its sadly a double edged sword and can just as much hurt their chances at procuring developers for the console as well as draw in consumers if they can truly make some unique games ( also pirate and bootleggers who will obviously steal the character designs to make shady mobile games...its sad the world we live in now:( ).
I'm mostly worried by kids going like "Why should I own an Amico, when I can own what everybody else does?" In a world where Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are running the industry, the power of brand identity and peer pressure leaves little to no room for newcomers. I really want to believe in a children's system, like the Sega Pico. I am not a fan of AAA games, so I am looking forward to this.
I know it's out of your wheelhouse, but I think it's worth mentioning that things like Leapfrog exist and have been apparently successful for years. There are also a lot of parents out there spending hundreds on iPads and stuff for toddler friendly games. I don't know if this will be successful or not, but at the very least, if they are aiming for part of that market, I don't think it's too crazy to think this has a chance at being a financially viable venture. I may be way off, but to me it seems like they are trying to bridge that gap between Leapfrog and 'real' consoles. The Intellivision branding is a little odd, but if it sells even a few more units, why not?
Really good point re: Leapfrog/V-tech. Borrowing this for a video response. I'll screenshot you :-)
Forkenstein your comment supports exactly their point on the target market. Both your examples are portable devices with inexpensive software. Not to mention and ipad has way more utility and a giant eco system oh and produced by a billion dollar company. It's like they keep saying, they are trying to create a solution where there isnt a problem. If they had released this before Nintendo started releasing their minis it may have had a chance but there is 0 market for this now. It's DOA!
Did you guys see the interview that Tommy Talarico did with Rerez? I think he answered most of the frequenly asked questions imao
iMagic made the best 2600 games. Cosmic Ark was my favorite game when I was a kid, that starfield effect was super cool.
I'm just waiting for an Emerson Arcadia 2001 revision.
I say give this console a chance this console looks like it could be a lot of fun we need to bring back things from my past for children:-)
A new tempest and new r-type has perked my ears for this console. I still play tempest 2000 on my jaguar. The soundtrack is so good
And 3 years later......still not out....lmao! What a flop!
Replacing the keypad with the touchscreen, in my opinion, makes those controllers more accessible for a newcomer who might be a kid growing up with smartphones. A lot of us older folks criticize the keypad and how clunky the controller was in general but now it's design updated for the modern day actually makes it appear relevant. To the kids, the touchscreen is the center focus and they'll just adapt to the physical buttons and disk around it as gameplay asks. But this all depends in the first place on the adult responsible for their gaming consumption wanting to introduce this new machine to them. That's me giving them the benefit of the doubt. Frankly, this whole thing smacks of a passion project for Tommy Tallarico, his love of the Intellivision is well known.
The new Coleco Camellion looks nice.
Tommy didn't actually focus on the violence aspect of other consoles but more so how complicated they are to play for non hardcore gamers
After recently watching hours of coverage on this thing. Seeing these two MFs look into their crystal ball and be spot on is absolutely hilarious. Good on you guys for taking a stance and sticking to it.
Anyone that already has one of the main consoles just won't look at this. Unless of course you're a collector of anything and everything retro. Outside of that market though I can't really see this being much of a success.
Excited about the new Intellivision. For the price, it’s a no-brainer for me to push my gaming from the early 80’s to modern-day.
The revised titles will be incredibly awesome to play !!!
And yes, I still love the Intellivision Running Man :)
Ps) we need the Intellivision controller - otherwise why call it Intellivision?
I hear they’re coming out with alternative controllers for those who hate it... but if you hate the Intellivision then this console is not for you... just like the X Box and PlayStation are not for me :)
Take care guys!!
Hahahahahahha
Im from the future from 2023. They ended up being right
If the Intellivision is so irrelevant, then why is Pat getting so upset over the branding? Let's just wait and see what it does. It already sounds better than any of the Flashback or @games cash-grabs littering the stores.
Now that Nintendo has made the leap to allow these type of adult games onto their systems there is a glut in the market for a console that I can simply plop my seven-year-old in front of and not worry about him being traumatized. I'm almost 40 now (38) and looking back on it the NES was like that to my parents. I'm interested to see where this goes.
You act as if the M rated games come with the system. They ve always allowed that kind of stuff, just not in the NA until MK2 which was like 93
Its branded Intellevision for hardware brand recognition and legacy, its filled with
old Intellevision games, and the controller adds uniqueness which you guys are complaining this console doesn't have.
The John Lennon and Billy Jo Armstrong of the gaming world!
Damn, you nailed it.
"Kids wont be able to walk into Toys R Us and buy GTA 5, they wont have cash"
They wont have Toys R Freaking Us either :'(
This looks promising actually
They are trying to put Vtech out of business.
I think the difference between this and an ipad is most games they say family oriented which also means multiplayer so a game a parent can play with thier kids.
Keep in mind, it is a bluetooth system. Maybe there will be a way to hook up a bluetooth gamepad...hopefully.
Failure in every sense of the word. I asked for a 2600 for Christmas and thanks to my awesome parents (sigh) I got the Intellivision. The game console I learned to love to play by myself because every fucking friend came over all excited, used the controller, then never wanted to touch it again. The controller was a significant reason for Intellivision's DOWNFALL. That they are HIGHLIGHTING that is batshit crazy. But regardless of the controller, even if they put out a regular gamepad style one, this console has no market. Everything they want to do is done better by Nintendo, a smartphone, or tablet. Shit, if SEGA couldn't hang with the big three, sure as shit this....thing isn't either.
I like the idea of the Amico but I doubt it will sell well outside the US. Well in the UK we love our dirt cheap games but offensive games and violence and not bothering with caring about age ratings is kind of the UK bread and butter. So maybe it will do well in other countries Europe.
Curious to see a new version of Miner 2049er (which I still play on my Atari 800XL) on this thingamajobber.
same here... also the Burger Time game which is great on the original Intellivision.
Those are 2 great games, but sadly licenses will be involved, so I'd bet there's almost zero chance of it happening.
I think the AD&D can happen by removing the D&D label. They did it on the flashback disc for PC... The game was created way before it was labelled a D&D game in the first place ;) ... just call it cloudy mountain.
That would be cool! 👍🏻
I don't think Nintendo is making the concessions to the hardcore market close to as much as third parties are, in fact I'm pretty sure Nintendo spends a noticeable amount more funding more "hardcore" focused games than family friendly, not out of an interest for family friendly games but just due to the fact that they inherently cost more to develop. I think third parties are just failing to support the system as well as Nintendo expected, and that is most certainly on Nintendo (poor communication on the handheld nature of the system to publishers like Capcom, not waiting long enough to get the more powerful X2 in the system), but when you look on what is not Nintendo on the system, third party games most certainly lean to hardcore on Switch far more than the family market. With that said, Nintendo themselves are still making plenty of family friendly games on the system, and that is what is still driving a large part of the sales momentum for the hardware right now, so I would certainly agree that they are filling the niche perfectly well at this time, but I'd never argue that as developers that is their focus more or less than any other niche.
sounds like an overpriced Vtech lol!!!
Wouldn't that be something...
I'll wait for the mini version.
I've been waiting for the Official Retro Console Revivals Podcast to cover this
It has old iPods for controllers.
“Don’t get s-s-snappy…”
Please make the games always include both the updated version, and a classic version 😀
I just wish these people throwing money at retro gaming would throw it towards something consumers are actually demanding. They could make a mint selling replacement SNES shells, a Game Gear clone, or an adapter for using a Zapper with a Famicom.
Out of all the companies that have tried to resurrect brand names such as Kaliko and Atari, intellivision seems to be the only one who's got their act together. But time will tell
Affordability is key. Technology is supposed to make these consoles and titles easier and cheaper to attain. Like a print of the Mona Lisa is supposed to be cheaper than the original. Exaggerated example for sure, but applicable.
My son has been raised with video games and he definitely thinks that the Amico looks dumb.
I hope they go back to the drawing board on those controllers. Unless they have some revolutionary tech that's super precise up their sleeve, the touch screen is going to be especially awful if game play depends heavily on it.
I don't think it's gonna work without being Mobile. AleinWare is coming out with a Portable PC and that's all 2d games on the move.
these guys only saw the trailer
and didnt do their homework
the head of intellivision did an hour plus interview explaining all this. this is the wii 2 for parents
Thanks for the info. Did you get yours yet?
Idiot
This post aged like milk, also the Wii 2 for parents was the Switch.
Good point about kids having tablets and phones. Agree on the controller design too...it’s just not ideal. However, a comment about 2D vs 3D games. My 6 year old plays games on his Fire tablet, and most of the games he plays are 2D. They are not traditional console genres mind you, but the fact that they are not in 3D doesn’t seem to matter to children. There are countless flash type games on phones that kids eat up.
If when I was five in 95 sneaking down at 7am to boot up DOS to play Mech Warrior on, then kids today are sneaking sessions of Dark Souls no problem, not to mention what most kids I know play is Roblox, and that shit is basically coding 101 for kids, rest my case.
Also I’ll say it, I don’t like Nintendo, never have, as a kid thought Mario was lame as shit, but you guys ain’t being fanboys; you’re being right.
I don't see the controllers being that big of a problem, I mean they look kinda like a smart phone and have touch screens, and most kids are probably really used to the touch screen controls from playing with smart phones anyway, and who knows they could end up releasing a separate Amico pro or something another controller, similar to what Nintendo did with the Switch pro controller.
Mmmm no, however the controllers and the console itself from an aesthetic standpoint interest me. (yes it looks cool IMO). It'll be interesting to see how this goes and what changes along the way. It'll need to have some really nice 2D graphics, not just the Intellivision level of graphics. I'm curious how they can incorporate the system hardware (wireless charging, touch pad, gyroscope accelerometers, force feedback etc... at the price point .. $180?
19:20 okay, so that's what they meant by "Equal opportunity gaming" or whatever it was in the trailer. No offense, I know the guy's a legend in the gaming realm, but this is so silly.
If it comes to market at all, I'll be shocked. Two years is plenty of time for somebody to see reason and stop throwing good money after bad.
I don't care for this. I don't want it. I want that 1-Up mushroom!
I think there is a possibility this could succeed based on those working on it. Never will match current console success obviously, but I could see it being about as popular as the current Mini-Systems if they market it right. I think it all sounds pretty good based on what I saw, I just hope they consider having some way to do physical copies of some of these games. That would be a huge draw for the retro-gamers (probably the most who will be interested in this) and collectors, plus you then have the possibility of companies like Limited Run doing releases of these titles which would in-turn provide even more awareness of the platform in the first place to other markets. This is a hell a lot more appealing then the Atari-whatever that is coming out.
What the hell is Tellarico talking about? Kids figure out today's games in two seconds. If anything it's way easier to get into modern games with all the tutorials and hand holding they do. So the "complexity" that he talks about isn't an issue. Also, I don't get who the fuck this is marketed to. Kids don't care about Intellivision, grandparents do. But I can't see Intellivision fans buying this for 170$ that's a ludicrous price. Id be surprised if 1000 people wanted one. Also it seems like the Amico team hasn't done a Google search in awhile because there are literally MILLIONS of kid friendly games on Apple, Google, Steam and the various consoles online stores. MILLIONS. These games cost from 2-10$ usually. That doesn't when include the various web based games that kids play. So it seems like their market research team isnt doing their due diligence. The controller looks horrible. Old school gamers want tactile buttons not touch screen shit not to mention that the circle dpad has always been shit. They should have made a SNES/Genesis type controller to use. And that doesn't even go into the way the mockup of the system looks. It's horrible and looks like hospital equipment. Why wouldn't they go for a more Intellivision look? It's like they use the name for recognition yet do nothing else to harken back to the consoles Heyday other than the horrible controller design.
I feel like the edutainment area of gaming is severly lacking in this time
I like COMPETITION...I like MULTIPLE consoles on the market...I like EXCLUSIVES to consoles...I like ARCADE games of SKILL to get HIGH scores/walk away/walk back for a BETTER score. SO...I hope it makes it to market BUT I PROBABLY won't buy it...will be playing my 2019 Atari VCS & HOPEFULLY Sega will bring out a new console by 2020 as well. Good Luck Intellivision.
They can never say you weren't open minded about the amico.
@@ezg2000 …I just stumbled upon this…😄😄😄
@@F1JV Funny how they want to classify you as a jealous hater loser. But forgot that you were a supporter. I wonder who turned you into a hater? 🤣🤣🎮🎮
2.5 years later and still nothing!
3 years after that and they still haven’t fully admitted reality.
You mean another console that has options out there already headed by someone who doesn't know the market? Man I'm glad this is the only time this happened
I had an intellivision when I was a kid. My favorite game was the one where you drop flower pots on bugs or whatever was crawling up the wall. It was so long ago I can't remember the name of the game.. I did not like the controllers though.