We're also overlooking WHY the F did his mom inherit the kingdom? The first movie made it pretty darn clear that you had to fight to become the Wakanda ruler. Shit they even did it twice. Yet when he dies all the other men who have tried to claim the throne before just said NAhhhh she'll do fine.
I'm sorry. Wasn't the entire point of the first Black Panther movie that T'Challa comes to realize that Killmonger was right about Wakanda's isolation and hoarding of vibranium was doing more harm to the world than good? T'Challa learns that, despite that extreme measures taken, Killmonger just wanted to have Wakanada see the error of their ways and he honors that by opening Wakanda to the world. And this movie begins with them just backtracking all of that.
@@bobvog7123 I doubt it, Just an honest opinion I think Chad/ Black Panther made a big impression in Civil War, guy who people barely knew(aside those who read the comics), turns out to be super hero, beats the hell out of Bucky cause he believed he killed his dad e.t.c, overall he was a very interesting character that I feel people wanted to see more of.
@@yellowballoon4143no, it shows how that decision has backfired . France literally sent mercenaries to steal Wakanda. The movie shows the effects of that decision right there. You guys just want to find something to criticize
@@souventudubannedthey haven’t closed off. The movie literally showed how other countries were plotting on Wakanda for vibranium. Do you guys understand movies at all? It displays effects of T’Challa’s decisions
Their reason for doing that is so that they're in the middle of nowhere where nobody gets hurt.... but Wakanda would have been the best and easiest choice... since the Atlantians were the ones coming to them
Has anyone else noticed that whenever a new female character is shoehorned into a story, the writers put a lampshade over it by having another established character say "I like her." They use this exact same ploy every. Single. Time.
Nope, they use that for male and female character as lazy way to introduce character. You only notice with female character shows your true personality and intention
You remember when Tony stark needed basically millions of dollars worth of tech from his own super advanced weapon provided by terrorist and then also raw material and a forge, and equipement plus months "just" to make his first iron man suit, which is now seen as a bunch of scraps/would be treated as a mini boss or strong fodder enemie in any other show? Thats taking into account Tony being born rich af, his dad being howard stark and having years worth of experience and knowledge, plus the practice (which would have only been doable because of his budget)... But now, a random student can just make sci fi tech from microwaves. Yes, because as we all know, if you rearenge a toaster in the right way, it'll become a quantum computer.
Is it really that strange? Technology advances. What was revolutionary fifteen years ago (in the MCU) has become commonplace now. Once Tony Stark did the hard part of inventing the suit, anyone like Whiplash or Riri can come along and copy their designs.
Not to mention that she can make quantum computers function at room temperature and without expensive helium to cool it. It's not like you can buy tonnes of the stuff and not get noticed a little.
"It's okay when we do it." "The situation is nuanced and complex when we make mistakes." "There's historical reasoning that pardons our bad actions." - wakanda
The irony of having an advanced civilisation long before Western Civilisation could understand how trains work, yet somehow still finding a reason to have gripes against ‘colonisers’ Kinda makes you wonder how or moreover WHY they just let slavery happen.. under their watch.. with like ridiculous leaps and bounds in technology.. and conservation.. and economy.. oof
A smart recast would have worked wonders here. Omari Hardwick (Power), Jonathan Majors...even Michael B. Jordan (with crafty writing) would have worked. Hell, if push came to shove, even Bucky the winter soldier could have jumped into the suit. Shuri as BP was boring. She IS snarky enough, but she just doesn't have the screen presence, acting chops or...and I'll say it: the sex appeal to take on such a role.
@@former_dmcrt8614 I honestly think that Bucky would have been the most interesting if done right, it could have been his path to redemption, he could have done the king's duel in shuri/her mom's place and won. And out of gratitude they slowly accept him as a member of their family, maybe he would be obsessed with protecting the royal family as a form of guilt.
Just watched the film. The main problem I just cannot get over is that the wakandans, the most intelligent & advanced humans on earth, bring weapons designed for ground battles to a naval fight. They had the technology and resources to build the most lethal anti-under water weapons like torpedoes & depth charges but no, for the sake of plot convenience (or stupid script writing) you never see them upgrading their weapons to address their battle needs. SMH.
Or the beg of the movie where they call the western world selfish and entitled, call the USA colonizers the entire movie when they are hidden in the middle of Africa. Their own people are riddled with diseases and hunger all around them and they do nothing but have the audacity to call the rest of the world selfish cba these woke people are so dumb
@Bananamelon X9000 Didn't they have like a week to prepare, for an enemy they knew almost nothing about, while efforts were being afforded to refuge and rebuilding their recently attacked home...? They did pretty well all things considered. Although the sea attack was desperate and a bit ill conceived at the time.
@@MrIllustrative yeah but they had also already been attacked and lost leader after leader, if these mfers just pay attention they wouldnt be as stupid.
I've had enough of seeing a hero ran through with a spear or sword only to see them fighting minutes later. It's like the writers don't understand that THE SPINE exists.
i just had my appendix removed last week so am recovering from keyhole surgery. I couldn't sit up for 3 days and it's still sore to move. I cant imagine what a spear through the gut would be like but I certainly wouldnt be up and fighting half hour later lmao
Well, looks like the spine (and brain) aren't vital organs for most of today's moviemakers...They might just want to design characters in their own image ?
@@leojohn1615 Switzerland, Taiwan and Hong Kong (not technically a country but still acts like one) are all powerful countries with just one major city
Another thing that is repeated, not just in Marvel movies, but all television and movies over the past couple of years, is “I got this!”, “You got this!”, and “We got this!”. For real. You’re going to hear it all the time now. I have 3 daughters and I’ve even heard it in kid shows. It proves how bad written dialogue has become. Whenever I hear it now, I immediately stop watching the movie or tv show. It really shows the level of creativity these people have.
One of the issues that I have with the MCU is the following: If everyone can become a hulk (smart hulk) with a blood transfusion from Bruce Banner, everyone can pilot an iron man suit, everyone can become black Panter with some herbs etc. etc., why not just creating few tens of thousands of super-hulk soldiers with an iron man suit and the agility of black Panter? Just in case another intergalactic threat comes along.
That's another way Marvel betrayed their creations, a lot of Iron an or Hulk was around the idea they knew what people would do if they had their powers or tech, and therefore refused there would be another Hulk or Iron Man (it was the whole concept of "Armor Wars").
W hulk at least it needed to be a special genetic link for she hulk to get powers. And it now occurs to me how mind boggling stupid Tony was for just casually annihilating dozens of suits in Iron man 3 instead of keeping them saved just in case Thanos comes.
Don’t forget everyone can have the powers of Thor if he so chooses. That might’ve been convenient during Infinity War during the battle of Wakanda I think.
I mean, in the comics there are hundreds of superhumans so mcu eventually doing the same shouldn't be surprising. What did you expect from company that makes up stories about superheroes since 1940's. There is no more originality, copy pasted heroes, fuckton of poor versions of each character, fuckton of ridiculous alternative realities and dimensions. It's all pure stinky chaos now.
Oh your bullshiting yourself the MCU never had that, the point was to profit of movies to continue writing them, really it’s a superhero franchise even in comics theres seldom meaningful stories you’ll find when it comes to this genre. Don’t be blinded by nostalgia superhero movies were never good lmao
It was never good lol overhyped super hero dribble the best was iron man 1 and than only the first half as the bad guy was terrible and I lost interest as soon as he escaped the middle east
M'Baku should be the next Black Panther. Imagine how BEASTLY a suit would look on him, how much power it would project. He arm-wrestled Shuri without consuming the flower.
It would make sense, M'Baku was the natural next leader figure in Wakanda after T'Chala but they're clearly after an agenda and not filming for the happiness of the audience
One huge thing that's becoming blatantly obvious with these franchise films/TV shows is that the people who write and produce them don't have much real-world experience of a lot of the things they're putting in their product. Soooo many flaws & inconsistencies.
that's exactly what I say in my upcoming She Hulk roast. Millennial feminists who dont know what real struggle and oppression is trying to write workplace conflict from inside a Hollywood bubble. The result is as expected: cringe and a total failure.
@@SarcasticPlotRecaps I wouldn't even go as far as feminists, in particular. Just people in general. Theres no struggle, no adversity in these peoples lives! They've spent forever in the education/college/University bubble & haven't lived or worked.
If the king is dead, according to the first film, there must be a competition to establish the new king. Or can anyone challenge the queen in combat and win the title of ruler of Wakanda? I'm really confused right now.
The film shows that with the chaos of losing T’Challa, the tribes turned to the Queen for stability After the finale, they did go for the trial by combat, but Shuri never had interest and just let M’Baku get it. She’s still Black Panther, which was a separate role, as seen in Civil War when an elderly T’Chaka was still alive.
I'm gonna say it. John Walker did NOTHING wrong by killing that dude in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They magically forgot that every single one of their heroes has killed before since villains are expendable in these films unless they're Loki. They could have gotten around the death of the line of kings so easily in this film just by making Nakia pregnant at the start of the film. It easily could have been handwaved that she married T'Challa. Hell, they handwave everything else. We lose T'Challa but there is still hope for the future in his son. Maybe instead of pointlessly dying for Riri, his mother would have died to save Nakia and the baby. Why can't this just be a story of a family dealing with the loss of their brother, son, and husband? Oh right. PRODUCT!!! We don't even need RiRi Williams in the MCU since they gave Tony a daughter. Just jump ahead a bit and let her take the reins. Or just have Pepper standing in for him for a while, carrying on his legacy. God, there are so many places they could go and they always choose the shitty one.
Outside of, uh, the reply above, aging the daughter up would require a lot of antics. They're trying to move on with a group of high school age kids essentially taking the reins of the MCU. America, Kamala, Shuri, Peter, uh whatever Ant-Man's kid is named probably(i didn't watch the newest movie i'll be honest). Groot, I guess? The only two answers are: A) Age *everyone* up. Admittedly, this would be pretty cool. Spiderman would be older and more seasoned, while Iron Man's daughter would be young and inexperienced. It'd be an interesting role reversal to see Peter Parker try and mentor his own mentor's child, while all of the new generation of Marvel heroes tries to reckon with their predecessors' ideologies and their own. That would mean recasting literally everyone except Groot though, and I doubt Marvel wants to do that and lose. B) Age *her* specifically. They probably could find some weird science nonsense reason to do it, but it'd be hard to get people on board. That being said, they've likely done more absurd things that we have just sat and accepted. I guess they could also have her get a suit at age 12, but I don't know how well that'd work out. You're right about Pepper though. I don't know why we're getting Riri, or why an Iron-Man stand-in is even necessary
Bro he literally executed an unarmed and beaten man in the middle of a foreign country while working for the US government while juiced up on super roids just because he was upset that the guy killed his buddy. Not even mentioning the fact that the guy he killed wasn't even the right person. What world do you live in where law enforcement and military personal are allowed to revenge kill and execute defenseless criminals. Absolutely unhinged.
@@nighthawk2548 I mean I don't live in the Marvel universe and we are talking about fiction here. The MCU set the precident that heroes are killers. They cant turn around and condemn the actions of one while the others were seen as justified.
MCU really did shit the bed when it decided “Oh yeah, it’s all a multiverse now”, meaning they could do whatever they want. I forget who said it, but there was a person who said that creativity thrives in restriction, and becomes stifled when you are given everything. MCU has gone too wide and despite every movie being so fantastical, it feels so shallow.
In my version of it, the snap killed ALL the superheroes. Every single one of them. Thanos won and there's no one left to stop him while he sits back and drinks alien tequilas on the beach.
Losing Chadwick was such a terrible loss. He was such a light of talent. And knowing how hard he worked on the first Black Panther despite probably being in so much pain due to his illness.
Dude carried the first movie so fucking hard. Even with these morons that made Wakanda so americanized in the first movie, Chadwick fucking carried and made it fire. it sucks how they fucked up black panther so much man. if the same writers behind the first Iron Man were in charge of black panther, it would been 10x better.
@@honkhonk8009 He was so talented. Knowing how hard he worked on this film despite being so sick and likely in so much pain made me respect him so much more.
I respect the sentiment. I also don't know you personally obviously but I hope you can hold that outlook to everyday people you encounter daily. There are people who are going though pain (whatever kind that may be) and are carrying on and are not making millions of dollars or praised worldwide.
@@witchplease9695 Man what. His character was the best. Okoye and Shuri were carried by the actors. But the characters themselves were corny. Their characters were too "American". Chadwick was the only one that actually acted what you would expect a Wakandan to act like.
Namor’s name is now short for “El Niño sin Amor,” or “The Child Without Love.” This is because a Spanish enemy called him that. Imagine an alternate timeline where the Spaniard called him “Hijo de Puta” instead.
3:03 Just noticed something. Here, she cuts the bottom bit off of the soldier's magazine. The soldier then fires at least three more shots from his magazine, attempting to hit her. Disregarding all of the EXTENSIVE other problems with this fight--the bottom of the magazine is where the spring is attached. The follower is pushed upwards by that spring. The follower is pushed, by the spring, into the cartridges in the magazine, feeding them upwards into the firing chamber. With that spring attachment gone, or even with the spring damaged in any way, that magazine would have IMMEDIATELY stopped working, the cartridges probably would have all fallen out of the bottom, and no more rounds would have been chambered, meaning he would have been able to fire one more shot, if that. But nope. Glorious. Phenomenal review as always, ya big lush XD
Namor is a character from the comics, and in the comics is considered a power. He basically fought the Hulk and the Fantastic 4 to a draw. Originally he was a hero, teaming up with Captain America to fight the Nazis, but then became a villain as he threatened the surface world partly because of what we do to them, but then later was a hero who sometimes joined the Defenders. At his worst, he planned to conquer the surface world, don't think he ever considered extermination. Making him Hispanic is supposed to be a metaphor for the USA.
Just a small point. He's not Hispanic. He's an actual native Central American (Mayan to be exact if that's correct), so I'm not sure if you can take that as a metaphor for the US.
when critical drinker talked about the first bit of the movie, i thought "yo that sounds like good writing" but then he proceeded with the rest of the story and i was like "okay there it is"
@@TheFlash-wq3cn disagree wholeheartedly it was a good film. Did feel like 2hrs and 40mins though that's the only negative I have with it... Critical drinker is a grifter who knows his target audience of ethnocentric white right wing people.
Namor impaling her with her spear was barely a flesh wound Drinker! It must be a Disney idea that strong black women are immortal as they did the exact same thing in Kenobi.
Tony got stabbed too, and he survived. Also, she got stabbed in the guts, and people are comparing it killmonger when he got stabbed in the chest and actually wanted to die, so no.
@@CalvinKalisto Tony got stabbed but he acted fast to stop the bleeding. And was out of the fight for a little while due to being stranded on Titan. He had time to heal. Now I don't know if Shuri went on to be "kickass" after being impaled. Because I'm not watching a movie profiting of a character/actors death. Most likely acted like it was nothing but a scratch. Could have left the impaling out of the fight scenes but they wanted the "idea that strong black women are immortal as they did the exact same thing in Kenobi."
@@CalvinKalisto if you rewatch when tony gets stabbed he gets it right on the edge of the stomach like right by his side so it wouldn’t be fatal and would hit no vital organs. Suri gets stabbed right in the middle of her stomach. she should be dead
My main gripe was that they manufactured a new country Wakanda could go to war with, so they wouldn't disrupt the world order set up in the universe. I found that I didn't know who to root for, as there was actually no real conflict. It felt like someone starting a mass fight by accidentally walking into the person in front of them.
"We like you." "we don't like you" "lets be friends' "we don't trust you" "we should work together" It's Disney Junior logic. At least one of the countries surely could come up with a plan with regards to security that doesn't involve murdering or not murdering a teenage girl. Personally I wanted the water folk to f sh@t up in Wakanda for their selfishness. Not sure that's what the writers were after.
It was a bastardized quest depicting cultural violence due to blatant ignorance demonstrating gang land behavior with a resolve you can find in a Bill Gluckman campaign commercial ❤
Yea, the people were completely innocent fighting for their leaders, they made us feel things for these water people gave us no reason to hate them then boom we suppose to be happy they die ,also Wakanda is stupid they could have gone to talk to ocean man,clearly he didn't want to kill them, they could have made a plan and no one said ag aren't we gonna vote we just gonna follow a young girl who is grieving into this mess ,no one eles gonna give counsel, also county getting attacked they protect and GET THE LEADERS/RULERS TO SAFTY, f*ck this standing by the window no guards, not one guard? No one? Like come this way Queen and girl that we getting attacked for, lol l said to my husband yeah they had to make her live or else they did all that for nothing Queen dead for nothing since this girl died neway, also SENDING HER INTO BATTLE, she has never fought before, like my man just needed to kill her like he wanted too , and the war over basically but neway.....movies gotta movie l guess
Namore explains what he was doing at the end of the movie. This guy is terrible at informing his audience because he just wants cheap laughs. If you find this guy funny that's what you'll get I guess, but don't expect to be informed afterwards.
Killmonger was in a condition to be healed from that injury. He chose to just die. Also why wouldn't the suit be upgraded beyond what the previous could do. We saw in the first movie that Shuri makes the suits stronger when she makes new ones, why wouldn't she include healing?
she got stabbed though the stomach, broke off the spear, fought a super-humanly strong dude, then rode on the OUTSIDE of a plane that had already crashed landed, all while her entrails were a pulverized mess.
Lol not to mention they are designed to have a oxygen and power cord attached to them to make them work. The only technically advanced think they have is the underwater sun so how did he keep her alive in it
Everyone: "I`ve been looking forward to this." Wokanda: "Our Powers have doubled since the last time we met, Drinker." Drinker: "Good, twice the pride, double the fall." Edit: Thanks to everyone that liked and pointed out my mistake while still being nice.
@@Kauhl2912 Yeah, no. The movie was terrible, yet could've been so much better if it didn't have *THE MESSAGE* shoved down our throats every 10 minutes. The Marvel writers managed to bury this movie's potential deeper than Chadwick Boseman.
we have movies like this is because Marvel was in a lose lose situation with backlash both ways if they replace Tchalla with critics missing Chadwick Boseman as the Black Panther with the replacement not measuring up to the standard of Chadwick not to mention some may feel it is disrespectful to replace Chadwick as Black Panther. The critics would've went hard on the critiques had they not replace Chadwick Boseman with another male actor especially if the alternative is Shuri as Black Panther. She cant fight for one thing nor can she hold her own in unarmed combat or ritual combat against any male or female in the MCU. She by far is top 2 weakest fighting females in the MCU and that's who became Black Panther, LMFAOahahahahahah.......
As someone who's worked in the filmmaking industry for too many years, in VFX/Post, it's always amazing to me that anything cohesive from Marvel even makes it to final edit. All of these big budget high profile FX heavy movies are written by one committee, designed by a 2nd committee, produced by a 3rd committee, directed by a 4th committee, edited by a 5th committee, then distributed/marketed by yet another committee. Each of whom have their own separate agendas and ideas, and barely communicate with each other. Not to mention the multiple teams of lawyers, 200 layers of approval on every little thing, then some clueless studio head randomly coming in at the last minute to play "Director" and demand changes!
Exactly, there is no cohesion between the artistry/VFX department. AT ALL. There are like 5 different studios working on one movie, all held down by legalities and union contracts.
@@tonydak8573 There are no unions in VFX, we are an industry of scabs. That's why all the VFX artists get their credit (when we get one) in that big slab of stacked credits at the very end of the movie under "Digital Artists". While the 3rd Assistant Driver of the catering truck get's their own credit line over the team that actually made Thanos walk, talk, and breath! Onscreen credits are very political. What you're referring to, is that there's usually one main big studio who wins the VFX bid on the show, who then sub out different parts to other smaller VFX studios - with varying quality. The head/lead VFX Supervisors are supposed to be QC on the whole show, but sometimes you simply run out of time. 75% of the VFX work gets done in the last 25% of time left before the delivery deadline. That's usually down to those committees I was referring to making more work for us than they aught to, generally d*cking around, being indecisive, and burning the budget and schedule.
What also bothers me is that ocean men gave his most emotional valuable possession, his mothers bracelet, to Shuri. Why would you gave something like that away to an outsider, who you later declare your enemy? I predicted right away that his bracelet would be the key ingredient to make the magical herb.
True, plot convince l guess, that didn't make sense to me, felt so personal myb he thought it would get her on his side but damn ocean man holding a L for that one
It's explained by Namore why he did what he did. I hate how little CD misinforms his audience, find him funny if you want but he does do a disservice to the audience.
Man, this film misses Chadwick Boseman soooo bad. None of the cast can hope to hold a candle to him, and this is reinforced by Michael B Jordan's cameo. The dude steals the whole film in that scene cos he has more charisma in his little finger than the rest of the characters.
Aside from the T'Challa scenes, that was the only part in the film that actually blew me away. I was so bored at that point and totally expected Shuri's mother to tell her she's done so beautifully and sending her on her marry way to defeat Namor, and then the shot went on a bit long and I thought I'll be T'Chaka maybe. But then I was hit with THAT. Michael B. Jordan. The scene stayed completely true to his character, and it doesn't try to paint him as redeemed or misunderstood. It perfectly expresses Shuri's struggle with tradition VS science as well as her struggle between T'Challa's peace and Killmonger's rage without sounding like cheap exposition to the audience. It represented the devil on Shuri's shoulder. And then it's all finally resolved when Shuri sees her mother in the spirit realm at the end. If every scene was like this one, it would get the Drinker's Recommendation
What do you expect from these companies? They sit with their ass on the back of the audience, and the way they hook you is with visual and emotional manipulation, which, by the way, is the drug used by the ordinary people after exhausting work weeks.
Women are the worst with this. Literally what my wife does. I cringe every time she turns on the TV. She knows everything is shit but she watches it anyway for her daily dose of soap opera drama.
@Dootie There is a tremendous loss of quality comparing modern movies to movies 10 years ago. It's like all the good writers retired and now we have a bunch of people that can't come up with good stories anymore.
My main problem with namor was that they never said he was objectively wrong. Like they tried to show him as a bit sympathetic instead of ya know a guy planning to commit unprovoked genocide.
They are Leftists, even while hilariously and beyond ironically showing exactly how immoral and twisted and vile they are in there own movies, as far as they are concerned they actually believe they are showing how good and moral they are in movies and how they are"fighting injustice" and etc, to them the only group of people who are even capable of being objectively wrong period be it in the crap subversive movies they make or real life is Whites/European/ people/nations/culture/ and history period thats it.
Besides everything you said, the end-fight between Namor and Shuri gave me “Marta Effect” vibes, also how Shuri let’s almost everyone in her army die because she is taking her time to kill Namor and it’s completely ignored as Shuri and Namor come back on her aircraft and everyone smiles and leaves, like wtf? It was a cheap outcome with terrible casualties and they just brush it off like her attitude as a leader and protector didn’t even matter at all… And one point out of all that I agree with you Drinker, is that Shuri doesn’t fit the role of black Panther because of her goofy character, I literally can’t picture or take her serious at any scene because she just doesn’t look serious, she looks goofy, fragile, like she is waiting to tell a joke
Everything you just mentioned is exactly why she allowed M'baku to challenge for the throne since he has better judgement. She went to Haiti to giving wakanda further problems.
It's also weird how Wakanda was perfectly capable of fending off an extremely advanced space-faring civilization in Endgame, and then Namor is able to walk in and out of the city completely undetected TWICE.
I wish it was explained further. But i guess the dome around the city doesn't run as deep as the bottom of the sea coz water still has to flow in and out
they had help from the avengers and none of them had vibranium or were able to get into their cities completely undetected (or had mind control powers)
Imagine being the "strongest" nation on the planet and yet you choose who controls your entire country without question based on who can beat who in an ankles deep of water 💀
@@Haramu-Fal0 Mate, the point is that trial by combat is a stupid, primitive way to select your head of state. The person who fights the best is not necessarily the most competent person to run the country.
@@tayetrotman but it was the same during the Roman times. Or do you think you can't be good in combat and equally good at management and decision making
@@tayetrotman be careful. That colonizer ignorance is showing. In what society has the selection for monarchy ever been perfect bruv? Name a monarchy, government, parliament, or dictatorship and I'll prove to you that all have been fallible even since biblical times. Wakanda's way of selecting their King is a tradition. If the King isn't a great leader, well that's why Elders sit on his council and he has advisor's as well.
Lol don’t you remember when Riri said that she built her first machine at the ripe old age of 3 after her step father gave her tools and let her figure it out 😂😂😂😂😂
@@cameronbevan748 I think Endgame was leaking what was going to happen after it. Namely the female cast gathering together out of nowhere. I didn’t mind that scene that much but oh man look where we’re at right now…
Namor, which is a backward spelling of Roman, looked much different in the comics. Widow's peak hair and almost a sort of East Asian face. And yes, winged feet.
@@hez859 Yes. This is what people wanted. I didn't care to see Namor but a lot of people did, and kept bringing up his name. I even got chastised when I asked about the obsession people had with Namor.
You know what bugged me? They mentioned that Riri built the vibranium detector because a teacher told her she couldn't, and I kept wondering, how would they even get on that subject? It felt so random, and almost like they should be searching for the teacher who planted the idea in the first place (the US Gov't, perhaps?). And the rain to bring Wakanda back to their promise of help with resources. Maybe that shouldn't been Ross's job, rather than just a colonizers joke.
My husband said how she could build a detector If she never had seen the stuff before l mean let's make a metal detector when we never seen a metal and dnt know much about it ,also SHE HANDED THAT SHIT IN? Ag l thought she suppose to be smary
So basically, Wakanda Forever basically undid all of the character development T’challa went through in the first one. I thought the whole first movie was about T’challa realizing that Wakanda needed to share their resources and stop taking a backseat in history. Wakanda forever completely undid that within the first twenty minutes.
Because T'Challa is dead. This is the M-SHE-U now. Grrrrl POWA and all that estrogen bullshit. Gotta stick it to those icky toxic white males that Wakanda is THE strongest nation on earth.
It’s probably that the writers of Forever had become more racially radicalized since BP came out. Now, finding common ground, understanding, and partnership with the “colonizer” races is out of the question. Maintaining ethnic homogeny and dominance is a higher virtue now apparently.
I find it ridiculous that they call all the white characters "colonizers" in the film when wakanda was never colonized and wakanda never gave a damn that others African countries on its border were colonized , I mean, they could have helped them and stopped everything whenever they wanted.
@@Bananaman-hk6qw not even. Somebody has the writers add key words to the dialogue to draw and/or keep viewers, rather than give enough thought to do the topic justice.
I’d say even the fight scene from the bridge was needlessly long and strenuous for no damn reason whatsoever other than it just adding more time to the movie. It didn’t keep me engaged, it was just dreadful.
He actually liked some of the movies of this year. Like Top Gun Maverick, Prey, The Northman, All quiet on the western front & Everything everywhere all at once
@@Locadel2003 he also liked no way home & the northman so that’s why I call him the non-critical thinker nowadays, he let his channel vastly decrease in quality from the older days.
Plenty of good movies are still being made, it's just that you're only watching major studio commercial crap. Do you even have any idea how many movies are made in a year? Dig a little deeper and you'll find plenty of good stuff.
Namor actually think like 4D chess. He may realize the difference between technology gap between human and talokan, so he gamble but the results is win-win solution . talokan lose like he said became stronger through aliance because they can trade and share technology. if talokan win they Will gain technology and information
So Namor's origin went from the classic "Sailor banged a mermaid" to "Vibranium did it". 10/10 thoughtful writing. Someone mentioned that Namor's weakness of being too dry is actually cannon. They made sure that little nugget was still cannon, but retconned the origin of an entire race.
@@shreddingupontheshore Lol Disney lobbied aggressively in favor of teaching children under 9 years old to inject exogenous sex hormones into themselves in anticipation of mutilating their own genitals. Interspecies erotica is like traditional conservatism to them.
It really didn't if you bothered to pay attention. Oddly enough I'd wager your issue has less to do with how Namor got his powers to 'who' Namor is in the MCU.
I feel the problem with Riri wasn't the fact that she was important, it's the fact that the movie didn't try and make her important. It introduced her and we had the police chase sequence and then the movie just moved away from her completely and she was never focused on. She felt like she was barely in the movie and it's because they put so little time and effort into making her important that her initial importance felt so shallow as the story moved forward.
Its really sad how we when from "Holy crap ____ is out in theaters tomorrow!" to "oh great another marvel movie. Whatever." in just a few years time. We used to be excited to see our favorite comic book hero's come to life on the big screen but now we watch in horror or indifference to what they do to them now.
I don't know man, by the time The MCU had become a cinema juggernaut, the comics were already repulsively woke. I remember thinking, with every new release "will this be the one that catches up with the comics' politics?"
She was there. Namor was saying something along the lines of "Mourn now, because we will come back" while shuri was screaming, crying, and attempting to run towards her dying mother while Dora Milaje was holding her back.
@@jonathanalonso6492 That was after, she wasn't actually there when she drowned, I know for a fact she was inside the ship then made her way to her, by then she was already unconscious.
I completely laughed out loud, exactly like a crazy person ( due to the fact that I was alone, at the time ), when you said, "Lock him in a room, with some heaters, to dry him out". Priceless, brother!
I just watched this movie after the Disney plus release and I feel like Riri could have been removed from the movie and it wouldn't change a single thing. She's shown to be really intelligent but doesn't even do anything to show it
the first part of the movie, T'challa's funeral, felt heart filled and like they were trying to honor not only him but his now passed actor. then they immediately shit of everything he sought out to do.which was sharing what Wakanda had and building foreign relationships.
They were stricken with grief and the movie points out at the beginning why they are distrustful of other nations when they were going to help them out which is literally after the funeral. Plus part of Shuri's arc with dealing with grief also related to how she felt about the world which is noted when she talks to her mother before meeting Namor, and the conversation she has with Killmonger also highlights this.
@@EricHernandez-vx8cv Isn't the distrust of outsiders thing just a bit of a pointless retread of one of the main through lines of the first movie? That's how it sounds to me at least
If it doesnt have to be Roasts-of-Hollywood, try "Some More News". Guy can genuinly be funny while talking about Problems, local or global, and People, local or global. If it has to be Movie-themed, he only has his Popcorn-Movie where he explores much of what C-Drinker talked about before.
The drying up the bad guy to weaken him part wasn't bad as an idea. The problem is that the power levels fluctuate too much even during the same movie, so for no reason at all he couldn't just punch through the ship to free himself when earlier he was shown throwing and cutting planes in half.
That's what I was thinking - and he eventually sort of did exactly that. I would think sucking out all air from that chamber would work better and dry him out even faster, but I'm not a genius prodigy engineer, so what do I know. What bothered me is... weren't all those Wakandan toys made of vibranium? How could Namor slice through them just like that in the final battle or before that during the attack on Wakanda? Even if his spear was vibranium too - does vibranium cut vibranium?
@@Peterski vibranium can cut vibranium. Also Namor in general in the ultimate universe (Which is what the MCU is based on) is one of the strongest characters there. So he'd have little trouble doing that. The issue is that Namor has varying levels of power in the movie that sort of downplay him. Only reason why he lost at all was because he's the villain and he had to lose, but if he wasn't? Probably could have been different if they let him use 100% of his powers. Fun fact though, there is only one other metal on earth that can cut vibranium and that's adamantium, the same metal found in Wolverine's claws.
@@digitalduken9973 wouldn’t this make Namor stronger than Thanos then? Thanos had to attack Cap’s shield maybe over 5 times just to cut off about half. Meanwhile Namor was just cutting through several aircrafts made of the same stuff as the shield. It just doesn’t sit right with me that Namor could potentially beat Thanos (no stones) in a one on one fight.
He put his spear through the ship severely damaging it, and was in fact punching the ship, Shuri had to come in and try and stop him from destroying it.
maybe he was 'snapped' out too. and/or his people. Maybe they were so isolated that they didn't know what was going on. Maybe they all got snapped away... that is a over-simplified statement... think about it better next time
@@diomedes7971 she kind of proved that when she commented on Vision's design. Oh, and Stark was a little busy fighting Thanos on Titan during the battle of wakanda. What's your point here?
@@diomedes7971 it's fine, Shuri couldn't make the herb which was basically a naturally occurring Super Soldier Serum making Abraham Erskine the smartest man in the MCU.
@@diomedes7971 Few issues with your statement. Shuri is about 20 in Black Panther 2. Also, she did prove her smart against Bruce Banner in The Infinity War and she has the advantage of reverse-engineering of everything Tony Stark has done.
Great review. I thought this movie was awful. So many plot holes. Why would Namor need the help of Wakanda to fight the US who has no Vibranium, then get into a war with Wakanda??? It would have been great to see the Winter Soldier in this movie instead of the 19 year old scientist/student whose existence completely disrespects Tony Stark
Yes I agree that Namor should have had a better storyline because the one that they wrote doesn’t make sense at all. If that was the case they should have put another villain in because Namor has so much potential.
My biggest confusion with his plan was simply why. Like, they clearly were able to easily protect their home. Why go to war with the "surface world" when NONE of the people down there (Except Namor himself) could even breathe above water?
@lulu Namor is a dick in the comics who is always on the brink of war with the surface world. He is like anti-hero Dr. Doom. They attacked Wakanda because they confirmed the existence of vibraium in great quantities. Because they could not steal from Wakanda they searched for other sources and the only other source is Talokan. Their main protection is being unknown. The underlying story was how vengeance causes destructive descions. Namor and Shuri mirrored that and why her letting him live was her letting go of vengeance.
"it's okay when we do it" perfectly summarizes the writers' and their target audience (i.e. the twitter mob) thought process, if it can even be called that.
Let's face it that is nowhere near just a twitter thing. Conservatives and conservative christians have shown zero problem stripping freedoms like choice away, have committed terrorist bombings, their leaders take advantage of their follower base, etc. Theyve also loooooong been free speech killers in the name of "morals". Idk why people started to forget this and ignore this when we have decades of comedians and shows pushing the boundaries against those people and their insane control/hypocrisy/etc. "When we do it" is the justification for more than just twitter groups
Y’all really don’t understand why everyone can’t have vibraunium huh. This movie wasn’t even woke no cringy ass “imawoman so I’m better” or other shit thy try to force like past marvel movies and shows
@@jdv7359 I agree with you that it didn’t have as much up front woman>man moments but when it comes to the “woke” parts of this movie it mainly falls on the randomly placed bits of critical race theory that added nothing to the plot.
they didn't explicitly say they would share vibranium. They said that it was time to look after one another then it cuts to a guy asking what they have to offer. While it may have been assumed it was vibranium, once nations tried attacking outpost to obtain it themselves especially after the death of their king all bets were off which is why she marches the mercenaries in to prove a point. wakanda has several outreach programs and was essential to the battle during infinity war so it's not like they have not been helping this whole time.
The only reason they chose shuri is because she’s the black panther in the comics; however, her character traits are also completely different in the comics. For one, the intelligence that shuri is known for is supposed to be t challa’s (although he is much more logical and serious with it). Building on that, her comic form is much more of a warrior trying to be the black panther and lives in his shadow
At least you care about some black people in a damn comic. Aint no one even comment on this thread cause this is a channel that spreads h a t e f u l speech and this channel is also an Echochamber.
@@justlivin2499 did you not read the OP about how the movie version of shuri is nothing like the comics and that it doesn't make as much sense in the MCU? The same applies for Killmonger but 10fold because he's a nationalist imperialistic homicidal lunatic.
Regardless of what ppl may think about this movie, if it was good or bad. The performances are extremely personal and moving all around, but Angela Bassett delivers a powerhouse performance. This movie wasn’t even acting, it was pure emotion from the cast mourning of Chadwick in the movie and in real life. The emotions, the pain and tears within Actors and characters have been shown to be beautiful. This movie did the best way of respectfully honoring Chadwick. And this movie delivered. Such a Beautiful, fantastic, emotional, heartfelt film and tribute film to the late Chadwick Boseman. I will forever cherish this movie and the work these people have done. Thank you to the cast, developers, director, and especially, Chadwick Boseman. May you rest in peace, Black Panther.
'Needed to be fully rewritten' was mentioned several times, and this is my favorite critique. It explains why the movie has pacing problems and is longer than expected, it's honest without being overly mean, and gives a suggestion to make the movie better. That's a good review!
You forgot to mention a key part at the end: Fishman smugly tells his mopey lackey that Wakanda will someday come begging them for help. A sentiment echoed at the very beginning when lady panther and Namor first meet to discuss terms of a truce or partnership. Meaning he came to the same conclusion they'd talked briefly about before wasting everyone's time for nearly 3 hours. "Hey remember at the beginning when I proposed we form an alliance so nobody would fuck with us and you said NO? Neither does anyone else watching or even writing this movie, apparently." When that scene happened near the end, I genuinely blurted out WHAT during the movie. It's like the writers had completely forgotten to tone they'd set with that first conversation near the beginning of the movie when they wrote this final scene near the end.
But didn't he say that if Wakanda said no to the alliance, they would be the first to be attacked. So, why would they join. Also, Shuri wasn't in charge, it was the queen that was in charge and she seemed more willing to talk, but it never seem like Wakanda was ever going to join.
Well Timm.. clearly Namor's intention at the beginning of the film is to go on the offensive and attack the surface world, he gave Wakanda an ultimatum and seeked them out as an ally in their quest.. That's a bit different then the Wakanda being attacked and blamed by the rest of the world (who are still don't know about Namor's people existence). Since they failed defeating Wakanda head on, they can leverage and execute their original plan if the rest of the world is dumb enough to attack Wakanda. Can't you see the difference?
This is really funny. Your comments about how Riri is regarded in the movies is the ONE time Marvel actually follows the comics. Riri is the most overhyped "hero" Marvel comics ever produced. Everything about her screams "Villain," but they continue to tell her and everyone else how wonderful and special she is.
@@maisey-2000 She demands that her teacher tell her she cant be a hero...so that she can be motivated by ego to prove the teacher wrong. But the teacher is like, :"Why would I do that to you?" Riri keeps pushing until the teacher says, "You wont be tony stark." to placate the girl even though the teacher clearly doesnt mean it as a bad thing since stark is about the highest bar possible. The movie references this but in a way that way less combative and way less insanely narcissistic. Ii didnt mind the way they did the character here. If she was like this in the comics she might have been muych more well received
I just watched this movie and came straight here, knowing you'd done this video. I had high hopes at the start, but if anything, this movie highlights how little Marvel cares about the relationships between characters. Riri's introduction scene reminded me so much of Tony Stark showing up at Peter Parker's house in Civil War, even down to "I can't go to Germany, I have... homework" and "I can't go to Wakanda, I've got class in fifteen minutes", but there was none of the connection that Tony and Peter had. I thought they'd develop her relationships with Okoye and Shuri throughout the movie, but I don't think she had a single scene with Okoye after the car chase, and she just felt like a spare part in all of her scenes with Shuri. Then there's Shuri and Namor, where there were all the parts and the chemistry for a story about two people who feel deeply connected to one another and make unlikely allies, but are ultimately doomed to never trust each other's motivations enough for an actual friendship (or more) to develop, but they cut it down to the bare essentials... in a three hour movie. And don't get me started on the actions scenes, that had me going "ohhhh this is gonna be good" and then "... oh, that's it?", or the excessive slow motion.
Also I wholeheartedly appreciate your admiration of Angela Basset’s figure, I swear she’s actually her Marie Laveaux character from AHS coven - she DOES NOT age
I think a recast of T'challa was needed, I felt Namor was fine, and even Menacing at times, but it clashed with the scenes where you thought for a second that maybe he was going to try and court Shuri, only for him to 180 at the end of it. I think, a Recast could of been done, and you use Namor to kill T'challa, where he dies after stopping Namor, and doing something that makes Namor see the error of his ways. Then In the next movie, if you are going to use Shuri, then you go about making her the Panther then. I think the character that dies in this movie, also could of survived it and then you move her death to next movie. The movie drags on, but when it gets going it hits in rapid succession with things not giving you time to really take them in. Like he said 3 movies cut into one film. I disagree with his take on the comedy, i think it landed for the most part, and that wasn't just every 5 minutes to the point that the movie was a parody. unlike some other shows and movies done by the MCU. I think Ironheart has the chance to be a good character, but little time is spent building her up. Instead you get the John Wick Build up where everyone around her talks her up, but with little time on her you don't get to know her, and because all of this happens like drinker said she is just the plot point. we are suppose to believe that the Atlanteans are just as strong and as advanced as Wakada, but little is done to prove this.
The second movie shouldn't have been made. There's no place for it, and it shows. Chadwick WAS BP. Trying to replace him just simply won't work, especially with this woke garbage.
No, we don't. We need honest reviewers that aren't making their minds up before they sit down in the theater. This 'review' is utterly BS to the point I'm wondering if he actually saw the right movie or got black out drunk and made it up in his head. This was one of the better Marvel movies and it had an impossible task that it did in a fantastic way. You... people need to get your heads out of your ass and stop hating on everything Marvel just because its the cool thing to do right now.
You know, I used to think that Shuri becoming Black Panther would be cool to see simply because she’s so not suited for the role so she’d need a huge character arch. The trouble is, the writers aren’t good enough to pull it off.
Shuri should have had a Tony and Peter vibe with Riri. Maybe, Shuri is now working in one of their outreach centers and can't bring herself to go back to Wakanda and Riri is her annoying but brilliant assistant. She has to be the T'Challa to a new Shuri. This way, you can also develop Riri as a character. The pieces are all right there. The writers are just not smart enough to put them together.
the writing for her was all over the place. she said she wanted to "burn the world" after t'challa died from natural illness that wasn't anyone's fault. and she fucking jeopardized her entire nation to protect riri who she barely knows. and what was the result? she lost her mother. yeah she fucking deserved that. there's plenty of idealistic children who thinks they can "save everyone" in films but when someone that naive is part of royalty or in a position of power they become RESPONSIBLE for other people's lives and they have to go through a hard wake-up call on how cruel reality is. but we NEVER see her regret her actions or blame herself, instead she does a complete 180 and risk even more lives to get revenge. wtf
and EVEN more unforgivable was how the QUEEN of wakanda who has decades of experience as a ruler risked going to war with namor by demanding he hand over riri who she never even MET before. that simply isnt realistic. no president or government or king in the real world would EVER risk going to war and putting their people's lives at risk for a stranger they never met
@@williamwoolf8072 thank you!!!!!! Yes!!!!! I mean what about the people that got killed or hurt ect when the water people attacked coz of this one girl who means literally nothing to them, and then to disrupt their lifes(l mean to protect them sure but still) all for what l would be mad af ,that ruler dnt care about her people ,the difference Shuri would let her people die and risk them to save a stranger, whereas Nomari would do anything to keep his people safe, l think ld want a ruler would was MY side no offense ,also why not let the Americans take her, she is their citizen shuri could have gone with her myb l dunno ,they did nothing to make us want to care if this girl lived or died,l might have felt something for her if they actually killed(pretend, like they think she dead but surprise she still alive) her l know that's cold but damn they lost their queen poor leadership and that ape man is the biggest looser ,going to war and keeping the people safe when he gets no say in the decision making
I guess they brought her M.I.T twin in to replace her as the "wakanda science," while Skinny Shuri fights. 10x stronger she would still be 2nd place to a trans woman in a powerlifting competition. Hell, yeah, trans women rock!
Gotta agree with Angela Basset being the best part of this train wreck. 64? I see her in so many things and had no idea she was that old. Damn she looks good for that. She should definitely be the next true Black Panther. You have to admit, that would bring serious crowds
Seeing how T'Chala's ex was the one to push him into opening up Wakanda you would think that SHE is best suited to carrying on his legacy. As well as being the head warrior for another tribe (shown in the first movie, during the king-making ceremony), so it's not like she would be chosen haphazardly. Instead they shoe-horn in the genius kid sister with zero combat experience who already has an important, non-combatant role based on the previous movies. This could have been a good movie, but I imagine whoever is in charge decided to rush it out the gate half-cocked.
You don’t understand. They have to paint all blacks people as big brained scientists so they had to force her in so they can have a big brain black to force down the throat in the name of diversity.
Why would u ever think nakia would be queen? She and Tchalla weren't even married, she has no claim to the throne. And its not lie she would want it anyways. Shuri had battle training from a young age, she just fathered be a scientist.
tbh i was expecting nakia to be the new black panther, even if she isnt in line for the throne. i thought the black panther coukdve been reinvented into a protector alongside the leaders of wakanda. didnt really like how shuri was fprced into the role only cause she is the sole surviving member of the royal family.
I GOTTA admit that seeing Suri defeat Namor as she was a rookie BP with NO ACTUAL combat experience like her brother who fought Killmonger!both Captain America and Bucky lol and in Infinity War plus Endgame. VS Namor who can hold his own against the HULK, was like seeing a FIRST YEAR female martial arti student defeat BRUCE LEE in a one on one fight. Made no fucking sense! NEXT RiRi Williams/ Iron Heart will defeat Rodey/ War Machine in a battle. Just because it has to be that way. BS!!
Except, she used her intelligence not brute force. She had already weaken him and then she burnt him further weaken him. It wasn't about skill or strength.
@@timmyturtles9670 uh black panther powers comes from the plant U know the plant that Mister Manykill destroyed? The same plant that was needed to cure tchalla? The extinct plant? Without that u wont get the superhuman speed strength durability and all that stuff
![Blox Fruits Dragon Rework Update [Full Stream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EqDAp8udhm0/mqdefault.jpg)
We're also overlooking WHY the F did his mom inherit the kingdom? The first movie made it pretty darn clear that you had to fight to become the Wakanda ruler. Shit they even did it twice. Yet when he dies all the other men who have tried to claim the throne before just said NAhhhh she'll do fine.
Yeah I am not picturing her succeeding in an open challenge from M'Baku 😆 😅 😂
😂 shit she had a better shot then Shuri, shes 64??? I look like shit
"We don't do that anymore".
So all I have to do is beat up an old lady to become king? "Be back in 5 minutes"-any person in wakanda with ambition.
@@Nurgles_Rot_ well she kicked M'Baku pretty good right
I'm sorry. Wasn't the entire point of the first Black Panther movie that T'Challa comes to realize that Killmonger was right about Wakanda's isolation and hoarding of vibranium was doing more harm to the world than good? T'Challa learns that, despite that extreme measures taken, Killmonger just wanted to have Wakanada see the error of their ways and he honors that by opening Wakanda to the world. And this movie begins with them just backtracking all of that.
Wasn't the whole point of the first movie that audiences will buy any schlock movie that is heavily promoted?
@@souventudubanned Doesn’t that just prove how pointless this sequel is?
@@bobvog7123 I doubt it, Just an honest opinion I think Chad/ Black Panther made a big impression in Civil War, guy who people barely knew(aside those who read the comics), turns out to be super hero, beats the hell out of Bucky cause he believed he killed his dad e.t.c, overall he was a very interesting character that I feel people wanted to see more of.
@@yellowballoon4143no, it shows how that decision has backfired . France literally sent mercenaries to steal Wakanda. The movie shows the effects of that decision right there. You guys just want to find something to criticize
@@souventudubannedthey haven’t closed off. The movie literally showed how other countries were plotting on Wakanda for vibranium. Do you guys understand movies at all? It displays effects of T’Challa’s decisions
Their plan of fighting people who live in the ocean and thrive in the ocean…. In the middle of the ocean had to have been the worse battle plan ever 😂
Africans aren't known for military tactics or strategy as the last couple centuries of history have shown.
Their reason for doing that is so that they're in the middle of nowhere where nobody gets hurt.... but Wakanda would have been the best and easiest choice... since the Atlantians were the ones coming to them
@@declanhugors AIR BATTLE.
As bad as Namor's plan to fight a war on land....with people who can't survive on land without a mask.
Did they at least use depth charges or any other ASW weapons?
What bothers me the most is Riri essentially built a nuke for class and didn’t expect anything to happen. It’s wild
Has anyone else noticed that whenever a new female character is shoehorned into a story, the writers put a lampshade over it by having another established character say "I like her." They use this exact same ploy every. Single. Time.
And every single time...we don't like her
I was thinking that too. They tried it with Captain Marvel and that, well, didn't pan out...
Pathetic huh?
@@leedobson that is bc men will criticize female characters traits even though they do not mind it on men
Nope, they use that for male and female character as lazy way to introduce character. You only notice with female character shows your true personality and intention
You remember when Tony stark needed basically millions of dollars worth of tech from his own super advanced weapon provided by terrorist and then also raw material and a forge, and equipement plus months "just" to make his first iron man suit, which is now seen as a bunch of scraps/would be treated as a mini boss or strong fodder enemie in any other show?
Thats taking into account Tony being born rich af, his dad being howard stark and having years worth of experience and knowledge, plus the practice (which would have only been doable because of his budget)...
But now, a random student can just make sci fi tech from microwaves.
Yes, because as we all know, if you rearenge a toaster in the right way, it'll become a quantum computer.
You're taking the films too seriously NGL , marvel films dont make any sense at all .
@FoundationSS of Musickkk Bro this isn’t 4chan.
Is it really that strange? Technology advances. What was revolutionary fifteen years ago (in the MCU) has become commonplace now. Once Tony Stark did the hard part of inventing the suit, anyone like Whiplash or Riri can come along and copy their designs.
Not to mention that she can make quantum computers function at room temperature and without expensive helium to cool it. It's not like you can buy tonnes of the stuff and not get noticed a little.
Or a time machine. Everyone knows mad scientists can make microwave time machines.
"It's okay when we do it."
"The situation is nuanced and complex when we make mistakes."
"There's historical reasoning that pardons our bad actions."
- wakanda
Trashkanda
“I’m Homelander and I can do whatever the fuck I want.”
Heard that all the time when people lose the argument to "those" people.
You got it damn right Joseph.
The irony of having an advanced civilisation long before Western Civilisation could understand how trains work, yet somehow still finding a reason to have gripes against ‘colonisers’
Kinda makes you wonder how or moreover WHY they just let slavery happen.. under their watch.. with like ridiculous leaps and bounds in technology.. and conservation.. and economy.. oof
This movie desperately needed Chadwick Boseman. It felt so directionless and dragged on forever. Rest easy Chadwick, we miss you
A smart recast would have worked wonders here. Omari Hardwick (Power), Jonathan Majors...even Michael B. Jordan (with crafty writing) would have worked. Hell, if push came to shove, even Bucky the winter soldier could have jumped into the suit. Shuri as BP was boring. She IS snarky enough, but she just doesn't have the screen presence, acting chops or...and I'll say it: the sex appeal to take on such a role.
@@former_dmcrt8614fr tho she looks like an alien
@@former_dmcrt8614 I honestly think that Bucky would have been the most interesting if done right, it could have been his path to redemption, he could have done the king's duel in shuri/her mom's place and won. And out of gratitude they slowly accept him as a member of their family, maybe he would be obsessed with protecting the royal family as a form of guilt.
"The Drinker has jurisdiction wherever the Drinker finds himself to be" just has to become another classic line you use every few videos or so
BELIVE THAT
my favourite part was when the main character said "it's Wakanden time" ?
And he finds himself in different places a lot, when waking up after binge drinking whisky for movie reviews
get off ur knees
The of his voice when he said this was top tier that it probably gives Bruce Willis a run for his money.
Just watched the film. The main problem I just cannot get over is that the wakandans, the most intelligent & advanced humans on earth, bring weapons designed for ground battles to a naval fight. They had the technology and resources to build the most lethal anti-under water weapons like torpedoes & depth charges but no, for the sake of plot convenience (or stupid script writing) you never see them upgrading their weapons to address their battle needs. SMH.
Or the beg of the movie where they call the western world selfish and entitled, call the USA colonizers the entire movie when they are hidden in the middle of Africa. Their own people are riddled with diseases and hunger all around them and they do nothing but have the audacity to call the rest of the world selfish cba these woke people are so dumb
They think we're dumb, that's why they do, and say whatever they want instead of writing a believable story. Smh too
@Bananamelon X9000 Didn't they have like a week to prepare, for an enemy they knew almost nothing about, while efforts were being afforded to refuge and rebuilding their recently attacked home...?
They did pretty well all things considered. Although the sea attack was desperate and a bit ill conceived at the time.
@@MrIllustrative yeah but they had also already been attacked and lost leader after leader, if these mfers just pay attention they wouldnt be as stupid.
Why? Never heard of Mongolian Navy ordering some frigate before?
Probably thats what they thought
I've had enough of seeing a hero ran through with a spear or sword only to see them fighting minutes later. It's like the writers don't understand that THE SPINE exists.
Or spleens or livers 😅
i just had my appendix removed last week so am recovering from keyhole surgery. I couldn't sit up for 3 days and it's still sore to move. I cant imagine what a spear through the gut would be like but I certainly wouldnt be up and fighting half hour later lmao
*cough* reeeeeeeeva *cough*
Well, looks like the spine (and brain) aren't vital organs for most of today's moviemakers...They might just want to design characters in their own image ?
@@herheartbeats5727 sick burn
The amount of times wakanda actively partakes in acts of war against other countries is honestly impressive
Wakanda ... America Jr.
@@dashx1103 you got that bang on
Because it's a powerful nation and that's what powerful nations do
@@genekendrick679 a powerful nation that can muster all of 100 soldiers and the vast manufacturing and resource pool of 1 smallish city.
@@leojohn1615 Switzerland, Taiwan and Hong Kong (not technically a country but still acts like one) are all powerful countries with just one major city
Okoye: "I like her!"
Thor: "I like this one."
Without these queues, I wouldn't be able to figure out that we are supposed to like these characters.
They are part of the family now
Another thing that is repeated, not just in Marvel movies, but all television and movies over the past couple of years, is “I got this!”, “You got this!”, and “We got this!”.
For real. You’re going to hear it all the time now. I have 3 daughters and I’ve even heard it in kid shows. It proves how bad written dialogue has become. Whenever I hear it now, I immediately stop watching the movie or tv show. It really shows the level of creativity these people have.
Definitely the Marvel line of all time.
*'cues'
@@babajeezus Good catch~ I "new" something was off.
One of the issues that I have with the MCU is the following:
If everyone can become a hulk (smart hulk) with a blood transfusion from Bruce Banner, everyone can pilot an iron man suit, everyone can become black Panter with some herbs etc. etc., why not just creating few tens of thousands of super-hulk soldiers with an iron man suit and the agility of black Panter? Just in case another intergalactic threat comes along.
That's another way Marvel betrayed their creations, a lot of Iron an or Hulk was around the idea they knew what people would do if they had their powers or tech, and therefore refused there would be another Hulk or Iron Man (it was the whole concept of "Armor Wars").
“And when everyone’s super… no-one will be.”
W hulk at least it needed to be a special genetic link for she hulk to get powers.
And it now occurs to me how mind boggling stupid Tony was for just casually annihilating dozens of suits in Iron man 3 instead of keeping them saved just in case Thanos comes.
Don’t forget everyone can have the powers of Thor if he so chooses. That might’ve been convenient during Infinity War during the battle of Wakanda I think.
I mean, in the comics there are hundreds of superhumans so mcu eventually doing the same shouldn't be surprising. What did you expect from company that makes up stories about superheroes since 1940's. There is no more originality, copy pasted heroes, fuckton of poor versions of each character, fuckton of ridiculous alternative realities and dimensions. It's all pure stinky chaos now.
I miss the days when the MCU had a clear central narrative, good writing and a sense of direction
Oh your bullshiting yourself the MCU never had that, the point was to profit of movies to continue writing them, really it’s a superhero franchise even in comics theres seldom meaningful stories you’ll find when it comes to this genre. Don’t be blinded by nostalgia superhero movies were never good lmao
Yup. The MCU ended for me after Spiderman No Way Home (skip Shang Chi). Nothing after that is worth watching. It was a fantastic run, truly unmatched.
@@SolarisKane Wakanda Forever was good, the plot may be a little confusing, but the movie is one of the best in phase 4, not that its difficult lol.
It was never good lol overhyped super hero dribble the best was iron man 1 and than only the first half as the bad guy was terrible and I lost interest as soon as he escaped the middle east
@@Dorkeydaze Iron Man 1 > Infinity War or Civil War is ludicrous
M'Baku should be the next Black Panther. Imagine how BEASTLY a suit would look on him, how much power it would project. He arm-wrestled Shuri without consuming the flower.
Was thinking the same thing, he would be awesome.
Never gonna happen in the M-she-U
you seriously think we would get that?
Well it's a *man* and it's not "*inclusive*" enough
It would make sense, M'Baku was the natural next leader figure in Wakanda after T'Chala but they're clearly after an agenda and not filming for the happiness of the audience
One huge thing that's becoming blatantly obvious with these franchise films/TV shows is that the people who write and produce them don't have much real-world experience of a lot of the things they're putting in their product. Soooo many flaws & inconsistencies.
that's exactly what I say in my upcoming She Hulk roast. Millennial feminists who dont know what real struggle and oppression is trying to write workplace conflict from inside a Hollywood bubble. The result is as expected: cringe and a total failure.
@@SarcasticPlotRecaps I wouldn't even go as far as feminists, in particular. Just people in general. Theres no struggle, no adversity in these peoples lives! They've spent forever in the education/college/University bubble & haven't lived or worked.
@@davidc1721 true, but i was just using She Hulk as a reference given I am working on the video now. But you're right.
its crazy how drinker fans imply there exists a group of people with less life experience than they
@@shum8104 well, there is!
If the king is dead, according to the first film, there must be a competition to establish the new king.
Or can anyone challenge the queen in combat and win the title of ruler of Wakanda?
I'm really confused right now.
and doesn't that technically make Shuri the new queen??
@@EclipseHedgehog no, it's implied that M'baku becomes king by the end of the movie, while Shuri moved hati.
The film shows that with the chaos of losing T’Challa, the tribes turned to the Queen for stability
After the finale, they did go for the trial by combat, but Shuri never had interest and just let M’Baku get it. She’s still Black Panther, which was a separate role, as seen in Civil War when an elderly T’Chaka was still alive.
@@EclipseHedgehog if you watched the movie you would know she abandons her duty as Queen and gives it to M’Baku
Don't ask questions, just consume the next product!
At this point I don't think Disney marvel can withstand too many more "cultural events".
@BIack Panther 🅥 sorry- no.
@BIack Panther 🅥 cringe bot
@BIack Panther 🅥 WTF ?
I've been over it. Disney can shove their diversity agenda up so high that it hits the nasal cavity.
The whole Wakanda idea & franchise was just an attempt to provoke wh°te people with _"arrogant bl°ck people"_ we all know it. 😏
I'm gonna say it. John Walker did NOTHING wrong by killing that dude in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They magically forgot that every single one of their heroes has killed before since villains are expendable in these films unless they're Loki.
They could have gotten around the death of the line of kings so easily in this film just by making Nakia pregnant at the start of the film. It easily could have been handwaved that she married T'Challa. Hell, they handwave everything else. We lose T'Challa but there is still hope for the future in his son. Maybe instead of pointlessly dying for Riri, his mother would have died to save Nakia and the baby. Why can't this just be a story of a family dealing with the loss of their brother, son, and husband? Oh right. PRODUCT!!!
We don't even need RiRi Williams in the MCU since they gave Tony a daughter. Just jump ahead a bit and let her take the reins. Or just have Pepper standing in for him for a while, carrying on his legacy. God, there are so many places they could go and they always choose the shitty one.
Tony's daughter is the wrong color. Not diverse enough.
Outside of, uh, the reply above, aging the daughter up would require a lot of antics. They're trying to move on with a group of high school age kids essentially taking the reins of the MCU. America, Kamala, Shuri, Peter, uh whatever Ant-Man's kid is named probably(i didn't watch the newest movie i'll be honest). Groot, I guess? The only two answers are:
A) Age *everyone* up. Admittedly, this would be pretty cool. Spiderman would be older and more seasoned, while Iron Man's daughter would be young and inexperienced. It'd be an interesting role reversal to see Peter Parker try and mentor his own mentor's child, while all of the new generation of Marvel heroes tries to reckon with their predecessors' ideologies and their own. That would mean recasting literally everyone except Groot though, and I doubt Marvel wants to do that and lose.
B) Age *her* specifically. They probably could find some weird science nonsense reason to do it, but it'd be hard to get people on board. That being said, they've likely done more absurd things that we have just sat and accepted.
I guess they could also have her get a suit at age 12, but I don't know how well that'd work out.
You're right about Pepper though. I don't know why we're getting Riri, or why an Iron-Man stand-in is even necessary
Bro he literally executed an unarmed and beaten man in the middle of a foreign country while working for the US government while juiced up on super roids just because he was upset that the guy killed his buddy. Not even mentioning the fact that the guy he killed wasn't even the right person. What world do you live in where law enforcement and military personal are allowed to revenge kill and execute defenseless criminals. Absolutely unhinged.
@@nighthawk2548 I mean I don't live in the Marvel universe and we are talking about fiction here. The MCU set the precident that heroes are killers. They cant turn around and condemn the actions of one while the others were seen as justified.
@@nighthawk2548😂😂
This happens in real life, and done by the very US troop
I love that the MCU is now a multiverse, because in my universe, the MCU ended with a snap.
MCU really did shit the bed when it decided “Oh yeah, it’s all a multiverse now”, meaning they could do whatever they want.
I forget who said it, but there was a person who said that creativity thrives in restriction, and becomes stifled when you are given everything. MCU has gone too wide and despite every movie being so fantastical, it feels so shallow.
@@d00gz_ wait hold on a second, if it’s a multiverse, than should the name be the marvel cinematic multiverse?
Touche
In my version of it, the snap killed ALL the superheroes. Every single one of them. Thanos won and there's no one left to stop him while he sits back and drinks alien tequilas on the beach.
Oh it ended with the snap no doubt about that
Losing Chadwick was such a terrible loss.
He was such a light of talent. And knowing how hard he worked on the first Black Panther despite probably being in so much pain due to his illness.
Dude carried the first movie so fucking hard.
Even with these morons that made Wakanda so americanized in the first movie, Chadwick fucking carried and made it fire.
it sucks how they fucked up black panther so much man.
if the same writers behind the first Iron Man were in charge of black panther, it would been 10x better.
@@honkhonk8009 He was so talented. Knowing how hard he worked on this film despite being so sick and likely in so much pain made me respect him so much more.
I respect the sentiment.
I also don't know you personally obviously but I hope you can hold that outlook to everyday people you encounter daily.
There are people who are going though pain (whatever kind that may be) and are carrying on and are not making millions of dollars or praised worldwide.
I like Chadwick but his character sucked. Okoye, Shuri, and even the queen are more interesting.
@@witchplease9695 Man what. His character was the best.
Okoye and Shuri were carried by the actors. But the characters themselves were corny.
Their characters were too "American". Chadwick was the only one that actually acted what you would expect a Wakandan to act like.
Marvel: "Don't ask questions, just consume product."
Right. Why? How did you THINK mass media entertainment works?
@@pete7164 when did movies become that again
Good little consoomers...
"And get excited for next product"
Almost every marvel film is terrible.
Marvel really didn't waste any time capitalising on Chadwicks death, even if it meant a rushed poorly written and directed movie.
Namor’s name is now short for “El Niño sin Amor,” or “The Child Without Love.”
This is because a Spanish enemy called him that. Imagine an alternate timeline where the Spaniard called him “Hijo de Puta” instead.
😂
"My enemies call me Deputa. It means 'of puta.'"
😂
"But my enemies call me Joputa."
Elaborate please..
Omg the "She makes a garden rake look morbidly obese" line killed me
😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹I died too
O
M
G
XD
When Ironheart was flying in her suit in this movie I couldn’t stop dying laughing of how bad her suit is lmao it looks like a Power Ranger.
What an insult to the Power Rangers.
@@Adamatronamus unfortunately. But it does.
@BIack Panther 🅥 E
They tried to differentiate it from the iron man suit as much as they could but they made it very gimmicky
And now hold on now that's an insult to power rangers don't drag power rangers into this
3:03 Just noticed something.
Here, she cuts the bottom bit off of the soldier's magazine. The soldier then fires at least three more shots from his magazine, attempting to hit her. Disregarding all of the EXTENSIVE other problems with this fight--the bottom of the magazine is where the spring is attached. The follower is pushed upwards by that spring. The follower is pushed, by the spring, into the cartridges in the magazine, feeding them upwards into the firing chamber.
With that spring attachment gone, or even with the spring damaged in any way, that magazine would have IMMEDIATELY stopped working, the cartridges probably would have all fallen out of the bottom, and no more rounds would have been chambered, meaning he would have been able to fire one more shot, if that. But nope.
Glorious.
Phenomenal review as always, ya big lush XD
Damn I didn't notice that
It’s a magic spring powered by diversity
Namor is a character from the comics, and in the comics is considered a power. He basically fought the Hulk and the Fantastic 4 to a draw. Originally he was a hero, teaming up with Captain America to fight the Nazis, but then became a villain as he threatened the surface world partly because of what we do to them, but then later was a hero who sometimes joined the Defenders. At his worst, he planned to conquer the surface world, don't think he ever considered extermination. Making him Hispanic is supposed to be a metaphor for the USA.
Checks out
Now this is a backstory that actually relates to the rest and makes sense.
Just a small point. He's not Hispanic. He's an actual native Central American (Mayan to be exact if that's correct), so I'm not sure if you can take that as a metaphor for the US.
wait that's amazing
So I guess the movie did a shit job then?
@@munkleson8882 that's hispanic that mayans are long gone
when critical drinker talked about the first bit of the movie, i thought "yo that sounds like good writing" but then he proceeded with the rest of the story and i was like "okay there it is"
XD
Don’t blindly trust him. He is funny, but he makes money off of bashing films. It’s good go watch it for yourself
@@09bonita09 its more than good, it was excellent, the pacing, the acting, the wiriting, the score, i actually think its better than the first one
@@09bonita09 Nah, except for his review for Moon Knight, every other review has been pretty darn accurate, including this one
@@TheFlash-wq3cn disagree wholeheartedly it was a good film. Did feel like 2hrs and 40mins though that's the only negative I have with it... Critical drinker is a grifter who knows his target audience of ethnocentric white right wing people.
Namor impaling her with her spear was barely a flesh wound Drinker! It must be a Disney idea that strong black women are immortal
as they did the exact same thing in Kenobi.
Tony got stabbed too, and he survived. Also, she got stabbed in the guts, and people are comparing it killmonger when he got stabbed in the chest and actually wanted to die, so no.
@@CalvinKalisto nah fr his was worse to shuris explanation made more sense then Tony’s
@@CalvinKalisto Tony put some Icy Hot on that wound and kept rollin.
@@CalvinKalisto Tony got stabbed but he acted fast to stop the bleeding. And was out of the fight for a little while due to being stranded on Titan. He had time to heal. Now I don't know if Shuri went on to be "kickass" after being impaled. Because I'm not watching a movie profiting of a character/actors death. Most likely acted like it was nothing but a scratch. Could have left the impaling out of the fight scenes but they wanted the "idea that strong black women are immortal
as they did the exact same thing in Kenobi."
@@CalvinKalisto if you rewatch when tony gets stabbed he gets it right on the edge of the stomach like right by his side so it wouldn’t be fatal and would hit no vital organs. Suri gets stabbed right in the middle of her stomach. she should be dead
My main gripe was that they manufactured a new country Wakanda could go to war with, so they wouldn't disrupt the world order set up in the universe. I found that I didn't know who to root for, as there was actually no real conflict. It felt like someone starting a mass fight by accidentally walking into the person in front of them.
"We like you." "we don't like you" "lets be friends' "we don't trust you" "we should work together" It's Disney Junior logic. At least one of the countries surely could come up with a plan with regards to security that doesn't involve murdering or not murdering a teenage girl. Personally I wanted the water folk to f sh@t up in Wakanda for their selfishness. Not sure that's what the writers were after.
It was a bastardized quest depicting cultural violence due to blatant ignorance demonstrating gang land behavior with a resolve you can find in a Bill Gluckman campaign commercial ❤
Yea, the people were completely innocent fighting for their leaders, they made us feel things for these water people gave us no reason to hate them then boom we suppose to be happy they die ,also Wakanda is stupid they could have gone to talk to ocean man,clearly he didn't want to kill them, they could have made a plan and no one said ag aren't we gonna vote we just gonna follow a young girl who is grieving into this mess ,no one eles gonna give counsel, also county getting attacked they protect and GET THE LEADERS/RULERS TO SAFTY, f*ck this standing by the window no guards, not one guard? No one? Like come this way Queen and girl that we getting attacked for, lol l said to my husband yeah they had to make her live or else they did all that for nothing Queen dead for nothing since this girl died neway, also SENDING HER INTO BATTLE, she has never fought before, like my man just needed to kill her like he wanted too , and the war over basically but neway.....movies gotta movie l guess
Namore explains what he was doing at the end of the movie.
This guy is terrible at informing his audience because he just wants cheap laughs.
If you find this guy funny that's what you'll get I guess, but don't expect to be informed afterwards.
Massive brawls because someone accidentally walked into another person? Like in a club?
I especially loved how Shuri survived a worse injury than what killed Killmonger 🤣
He got stabbed in the Lungs/Heart. Sheri got stabbed in the guts, easier to survive then the chest.
Killmonger was in a condition to be healed from that injury. He chose to just die. Also why wouldn't the suit be upgraded beyond what the previous could do. We saw in the first movie that Shuri makes the suits stronger when she makes new ones, why wouldn't she include healing?
Plot armor
It just wasn't a worse injury though...
she got stabbed though the stomach, broke off the spear, fought a super-humanly strong dude, then rode on the OUTSIDE of a plane that had already crashed landed, all while her entrails were a pulverized mess.
Namor casually giving Shuri a water suit of someone he probably killed painfully and removed their body from was pretty morbidly funny
Lmfao, now that you mentioned it, I didn't click it till it was mentioned xD
Lol not to mention they are designed to have a oxygen and power cord attached to them to make them work. The only technically advanced think they have is the underwater sun so how did he keep her alive in it
MORBIUS!!???!?! 🤯🤯😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
Its even more funny when he said "we have a couple"
I was thinking as well where did they get that suit because it doesn’t follow the design aesthetic of everything else in Talokan
Everyone: "I`ve been looking forward to this."
Wokanda: "Our Powers have doubled since the last time we met, Drinker."
Drinker: "Good, twice the pride, double the fall."
Edit: Thanks to everyone that liked and pointed out my mistake while still being nice.
Ice cold line
Revenge Of The Sith>Current Disney/MCU.
@@chasehedges6775 stfu, star wars is trash
Its twice the pride ,double the fall. Dummy
@Jason Bourne who was talkin bout balck panther???
“It’s okay when we do it”
Oh how fiction became reality.
"I'm not entirely convinced this movie isn't just some elaborate troll."
Oh Drinker, you just summed up all of "phase 4" in the MCU.
Except for the one movie not made by Disney.
@@matane2465 You mean the joint production No Way Home?
@@Thomasmemoryscentral yeah, the only good entry in phase 4.
True dat.
I mean, She Hulk was literally an elaborate troll, and very proud of it
When writers and directors are hired based on their social media viewpoints rather than their actual talent, is why we have movies like this.
A good movie? Maybe they should hire more people like that🤷🏽probably think black Adam was better
Is Wakanda based on a real African city? Usually cities I've seen in Africa are dirty and primitive.
@@Chief_kemosabe Black Adam was not better. That movie had more social messaging than this one did lol and it’s story wasn’t good whereas this one was
@@Kauhl2912 Yeah, no. The movie was terrible, yet could've been so much better if it didn't have *THE MESSAGE* shoved down our throats every 10 minutes. The Marvel writers managed to bury this movie's potential deeper than Chadwick Boseman.
we have movies like this is because Marvel was in a lose lose situation with backlash both ways if they replace Tchalla with critics missing Chadwick Boseman as the Black Panther with the replacement not measuring up to the standard of Chadwick not to mention some may feel it is disrespectful to replace Chadwick as Black Panther. The critics would've went hard on the critiques had they not replace Chadwick Boseman with another male actor especially if the alternative is Shuri as Black Panther. She cant fight for one thing nor can she hold her own in unarmed combat or ritual combat against any male or female in the MCU. She by far is top 2 weakest fighting females in the MCU and that's who became Black Panther, LMFAOahahahahahah.......
As someone who's worked in the filmmaking industry for too many years, in VFX/Post, it's always amazing to me that anything cohesive from Marvel even makes it to final edit. All of these big budget high profile FX heavy movies are written by one committee, designed by a 2nd committee, produced by a 3rd committee, directed by a 4th committee, edited by a 5th committee, then distributed/marketed by yet another committee. Each of whom have their own separate agendas and ideas, and barely communicate with each other. Not to mention the multiple teams of lawyers, 200 layers of approval on every little thing, then some clueless studio head randomly coming in at the last minute to play "Director" and demand changes!
Exactly, there is no cohesion between the artistry/VFX department. AT ALL. There are like 5 different studios working on one movie, all held down by legalities and union contracts.
@@tonydak8573 There are no unions in VFX, we are an industry of scabs. That's why all the VFX artists get their credit (when we get one) in that big slab of stacked credits at the very end of the movie under "Digital Artists". While the 3rd Assistant Driver of the catering truck get's their own credit line over the team that actually made Thanos walk, talk, and breath! Onscreen credits are very political.
What you're referring to, is that there's usually one main big studio who wins the VFX bid on the show, who then sub out different parts to other smaller VFX studios - with varying quality. The head/lead VFX Supervisors are supposed to be QC on the whole show, but sometimes you simply run out of time. 75% of the VFX work gets done in the last 25% of time left before the delivery deadline.
That's usually down to those committees I was referring to making more work for us than they aught to, generally d*cking around, being indecisive, and burning the budget and schedule.
@@uneasyr1der Sounds about right.
I wonder if the guys @Corridor Crew are reading this? ;)
@@jedironin380 They already know. 😅
What also bothers me is that ocean men gave his most emotional valuable possession, his mothers bracelet, to Shuri. Why would you gave something like that away to an outsider, who you later declare your enemy? I predicted right away that his bracelet would be the key ingredient to make the magical herb.
True, plot convince l guess, that didn't make sense to me, felt so personal myb he thought it would get her on his side but damn ocean man holding a L for that one
It's explained by Namore why he did what he did.
I hate how little CD misinforms his audience, find him funny if you want but he does do a disservice to the audience.
Man, this film misses Chadwick Boseman soooo bad. None of the cast can hope to hold a candle to him, and this is reinforced by Michael B Jordan's cameo. The dude steals the whole film in that scene cos he has more charisma in his little finger than the rest of the characters.
Tbh I don't like the movie, but Angela Bassett actually did fantastic here imo
Aside from the T'Challa scenes, that was the only part in the film that actually blew me away. I was so bored at that point and totally expected Shuri's mother to tell her she's done so beautifully and sending her on her marry way to defeat Namor, and then the shot went on a bit long and I thought I'll be T'Chaka maybe. But then I was hit with THAT. Michael B. Jordan. The scene stayed completely true to his character, and it doesn't try to paint him as redeemed or misunderstood. It perfectly expresses Shuri's struggle with tradition VS science as well as her struggle between T'Challa's peace and Killmonger's rage without sounding like cheap exposition to the audience. It represented the devil on Shuri's shoulder. And then it's all finally resolved when Shuri sees her mother in the spirit realm at the end. If every scene was like this one, it would get the Drinker's Recommendation
They all killed their performances, honestly lol
Respectfully - T’Challa post Civil War was bland and boring - and Michael B Jordan just plays the same character as his others.
@@MustardGuy161 In bad films the problem isnt usually the actors
"Don't think about it, just consume the product."
This perfectly zooms up the way movies have been feeling like these last couple years.
What do you expect from these companies? They sit with their ass on the back of the audience, and the way they hook you is with visual and emotional manipulation, which, by the way, is the drug used by the ordinary people after exhausting work weeks.
Women are the worst with this. Literally what my wife does. I cringe every time she turns on the TV. She knows everything is shit but she watches it anyway for her daily dose of soap opera drama.
C A P I T A L I S M
Wow that’s so deep man congratulations
@Dootie There is a tremendous loss of quality comparing modern movies to movies 10 years ago. It's like all the good writers retired and now we have a bunch of people that can't come up with good stories anymore.
My main problem with namor was that they never said he was objectively wrong. Like they tried to show him as a bit sympathetic instead of ya know a guy planning to commit unprovoked genocide.
Yet which human group are all these global threat monsters compared to to excuse them from taking blame?
So, Killmonger 2.0
They are Leftists, even while hilariously and beyond ironically showing exactly how immoral and twisted and vile they are in there own movies, as far as they are concerned they actually believe they are showing how good and moral they are in movies and how they are"fighting injustice" and etc, to them the only group of people who are even capable of being objectively wrong period be it in the crap subversive movies they make or real life is Whites/European/ people/nations/culture/ and history period thats it.
@@ulaznar killmonger was at least understandable this guy was just they MIGHT do something so i better kill them all
You mean Ah-Ku-Ku-Khan?
Besides everything you said, the end-fight between Namor and Shuri gave me “Marta Effect” vibes, also how Shuri let’s almost everyone in her army die because she is taking her time to kill Namor and it’s completely ignored as Shuri and Namor come back on her aircraft and everyone smiles and leaves, like wtf? It was a cheap outcome with terrible casualties and they just brush it off like her attitude as a leader and protector didn’t even matter at all… And one point out of all that I agree with you Drinker, is that Shuri doesn’t fit the role of black Panther because of her goofy character, I literally can’t picture or take her serious at any scene because she just doesn’t look serious, she looks goofy, fragile, like she is waiting to tell a joke
Everything you just mentioned is exactly why she allowed M'baku to challenge for the throne since he has better judgement. She went to Haiti to giving wakanda further problems.
It's also weird how Wakanda was perfectly capable of fending off an extremely advanced space-faring civilization in Endgame, and then Namor is able to walk in and out of the city completely undetected TWICE.
I wish it was explained further. But i guess the dome around the city doesn't run as deep as the bottom of the sea coz water still has to flow in and out
Did that space team have vibranium???
they had help from the avengers and none of them had vibranium or were able to get into their cities completely undetected (or had mind control powers)
Wait did you forget wankanda had the help of the avengers ? Wtf shows you just a hater
@@jasn6972 exactly he left that part out
You know the Drinker is a man of culture when even he admires how in shape Angela Bassett is for her age.
She is in better shape than ocean man
facts she aging like wine out here👀
Probably the ONLY reason to see this movie, if you ask me. 🤷🏾♂️
Her face is horrifying.
Look at twenty 2022 photos of Bassett. Her expression won't vary by a millimeter.
Imagine being the "strongest" nation on the planet and yet you choose who controls your entire country without question based on who can beat who in an ankles deep of water 💀
And if that's their custom as to who can effectively be the strongest protector of their nation; why is that a problem for you? Can you do it?
It's where we are heading.
@@Haramu-Fal0 Mate, the point is that trial by combat is a stupid, primitive way to select your head of state.
The person who fights the best is not necessarily the most competent person to run the country.
@@tayetrotman but it was the same during the Roman times. Or do you think you can't be good in combat and equally good at management and decision making
@@tayetrotman be careful. That colonizer ignorance is showing. In what society has the selection for monarchy ever been perfect bruv? Name a monarchy, government, parliament, or dictatorship and I'll prove to you that all have been fallible even since biblical times. Wakanda's way of selecting their King is a tradition. If the King isn't a great leader, well that's why Elders sit on his council and he has advisor's as well.
Lol don’t you remember when Riri said that she built her first machine at the ripe old age of 3 after her step father gave her tools and let her figure it out 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol we do remember! my husband was ript ,a toddler just casually making machinery lol
Makes about as much sense as an even younger Rocket Raccoon troubleshooting the High Evolutionary’s High Evolutionizing Machine by glancing at it.
@@robertgaudet7407that makes far more sense though
@@traceynelson2170 Did you have a stroke writing this comment?
I was perplexed by that part. No way, you let kids near dangerous objects like that.
"It's a mess"
Perfectly sums up the MCU after Endgame.
Endgame and post endgame
@@AscendingAdventures actually no Endgame was great
@@cameronbevan748 no it wasn not lol the whole MCU is a dumbster fire, cant wait for them to fuck up blade
@@cameronbevan748 I think Endgame was leaking what was going to happen after it. Namely the female cast gathering together out of nowhere. I didn’t mind that scene that much but oh man look where we’re at right now…
And before. That franchise stinks since the beginning, with some exceptions that were not that great anyway.
You gotta admit, a villain with little wings on his ankles is pretty damn terrifying!!
@Fallen Soul Doesn't Namor have wings on his ankles in the comics?
LOL I get you, but he has ankle wings in the comics, what did you want them to do?
Namor, which is a backward spelling of Roman, looked much different in the comics. Widow's peak hair and almost a sort of East Asian face. And yes, winged feet.
@@hez859 Yes. This is what people wanted. I didn't care to see Namor but a lot of people did, and kept bringing up his name. I even got chastised when I asked about the obsession people had with Namor.
Yeah the only thing they keep of the original Namor...was that!
You know what bugged me? They mentioned that Riri built the vibranium detector because a teacher told her she couldn't, and I kept wondering, how would they even get on that subject? It felt so random, and almost like they should be searching for the teacher who planted the idea in the first place (the US Gov't, perhaps?). And the rain to bring Wakanda back to their promise of help with resources. Maybe that shouldn't been Ross's job, rather than just a colonizers joke.
My husband said how she could build a detector If she never had seen the stuff before l mean let's make a metal detector when we never seen a metal and dnt know much about it ,also SHE HANDED THAT SHIT IN? Ag l thought she suppose to be smary
So basically, Wakanda Forever basically undid all of the character development T’challa went through in the first one. I thought the whole first movie was about T’challa realizing that Wakanda needed to share their resources and stop taking a backseat in history. Wakanda forever completely undid that within the first twenty minutes.
Because T'Challa is dead. This is the M-SHE-U now. Grrrrl POWA and all that estrogen bullshit. Gotta stick it to those icky toxic white males that Wakanda is THE strongest nation on earth.
Well Wakandans are nationalists and hate globalism. Its the most conservative film they have
T'Challa being gone leads to that. That's how shit often works. Without the visionary behind things pushing stuff, others aren't as invested.
@@PrimeofPerfection True... but the new black panther was literally the science ambassador at the LA embassy/outreach centre
It’s probably that the writers of Forever had become more racially radicalized since BP came out. Now, finding common ground, understanding, and partnership with the “colonizer” races is out of the question.
Maintaining ethnic homogeny and dominance is a higher virtue now apparently.
I find it ridiculous that they call all the white characters "colonizers" in the film when wakanda was never colonized and wakanda never gave a damn that others African countries on its border were colonized , I mean, they could have helped them and stopped everything whenever they wanted.
Right? That always pissed me off
because its woke
@@Bananaman-hk6qw not even. Somebody has the writers add key words to the dialogue to draw and/or keep viewers, rather than give enough thought to do the topic justice.
So the Wakandans are incredibly selfish. I'm not sure what message this film is sending out.
This pissed me off so much cause why didn’t they help there whole country at least?
"My enemies call me Namor." Well you've been hidden for hundreds of years, no one knew you existed, so what enemies do you have?
The Spanish Priest called him that, who was his enemy, and Namor probably introduced himself with that name to his enemies before he killed them.
Global warming?
His biggest enemy is obviously the US dumping plastic in his kingdom.
It’s like y’all didn’t even watch the movie 🤦♂️
@@pixel3042 well, given that something like 70% of plastic in the ocean comes from India and China…
2 great takeaways from this film
1- the fight scene on the bridge
2- Angela basset carried the film while she was in it (no reason for her to die off)
Sorry that I don't want to spend 3 hours of my life for seeing 2 scenes.
The duel between Okoye and Attuma was so awesome I had to replay it a couple of times!
I’d say even the fight scene from the bridge was needlessly long and strenuous for no damn reason whatsoever other than it just adding more time to the movie. It didn’t keep me engaged, it was just dreadful.
*"WAKANDA, It's OK When We Do It."*
- Based Critical Drinker
That needs to be made into a poster with Shuri on it giving a thumbs up and winking. Like an old military "Enlist Now" style poster.
@@jimthar17 That'd be hilarious, but would be shot down in almost every corner of the Internet.
It’s always great when the Critical Drinker uploads his videos about the messy MCU!
M SHE U *
can he make a good video then, because he has no media analysis and you can tell he only likes shitty movies like pulp fiction and indiana jones
The MCU needs to die already.
I used to watch The Critical Drinker so I could avoid bad movies. Now I watch it just for fun because there's no such thing like a good movie anymore.
He actually liked some of the movies of this year. Like Top Gun Maverick, Prey, The Northman, All quiet on the western front & Everything everywhere all at once
@@Locadel2003 he also liked no way home & the northman so that’s why I call him the non-critical thinker nowadays, he let his channel vastly decrease in quality from the older days.
You need to watch more movies outside of marvel and dc dude
@@mopnem "He liked these things I didn't like which is why waaah waaah" shut up
Plenty of good movies are still being made, it's just that you're only watching major studio commercial crap. Do you even have any idea how many movies are made in a year? Dig a little deeper and you'll find plenty of good stuff.
I'm completely sick of tiny little girls fighting massive men and winning.
Namor’s plan makes Bane and Talia’s torturous plot look genius by comparison
Namor actually think like 4D chess. He may realize the difference between technology gap between human and talokan, so he gamble but the results is win-win solution . talokan lose like he said became stronger through aliance because they can trade and share technology. if talokan win they Will gain technology and information
The Jewish Hollywood... Push Gay Black Women.... Oh, yeah Im Black
and is this "namor's plan" with us in this room right now?
And where t f was ocean man when Thanos came?
@@brontosa5351 He said "fuck the surface world," remember?
One of the biggest gripe I had with the movie is why the heck wasn't Bucky present for Tchalla's funeral? Bucky owes him his life
Bucky is a straight white male.
@@waltercomunello121 wow I didn't know that I always thought he was a gay rattlesnake
yeah no avengers showed up, even though they all did for Tony's funeral
Cuz he's white
because their contracts expired
Angela Bassett would've been perfect to play Storm once upon a time.
In the 80s, she would have killed it as Storm with the white mohawk.
@@Paulafan5 I agree.
Oh heck yes
Yes.
I think she still could.
Shuri felt so right as the genius, smarta55, naughty sister. But as a main character and as Black Panther feels so forced and awkward.
So Namor's origin went from the classic "Sailor banged a mermaid" to "Vibranium did it". 10/10 thoughtful writing. Someone mentioned that Namor's weakness of being too dry is actually cannon. They made sure that little nugget was still cannon, but retconned the origin of an entire race.
They changed his origin to, his tribe consumes the same plant that the Wakandans used, but this time they turn into fish people
Interspecies erotica is not something Mickey Mouse Inc. approves of.
Canon*
@@shreddingupontheshore Lol Disney lobbied aggressively in favor of teaching children under 9 years old to inject exogenous sex hormones into themselves in anticipation of mutilating their own genitals. Interspecies erotica is like traditional conservatism to them.
It really didn't if you bothered to pay attention. Oddly enough I'd wager your issue has less to do with how Namor got his powers to 'who' Namor is in the MCU.
I feel the problem with Riri wasn't the fact that she was important, it's the fact that the movie didn't try and make her important. It introduced her and we had the police chase sequence and then the movie just moved away from her completely and she was never focused on. She felt like she was barely in the movie and it's because they put so little time and effort into making her important that her initial importance felt so shallow as the story moved forward.
She was totally wasted in this movie, they should have given her her own show in Disney+ instead, and developed her properly.
This is actually accurate to her comic book character, she isn't very important there either.
Coulda sworn it was a BLACK PANTHER movie
@@kamcobbe she is getting her own Disney+ show next year. They add her in this movie as an excuse to set her up for her own Disney+ show
The thing is, it's basically Marvel's lame excuse to set her up for a Disney+ show. I personally blame Marvel over the writer of this movie
Its really sad how we when from "Holy crap ____ is out in theaters tomorrow!" to "oh great another marvel movie. Whatever." in just a few years time.
We used to be excited to see our favorite comic book hero's come to life on the big screen but now we watch in horror or indifference to what they do to them now.
Yeah I’m done with this stuff lol.
Same goes for all franchises. Don't watch the news about Raiders 5 - it's depressing.
Great Reset in action baby
@@organikness Can't tell you how refreshing it is to find people who get it.
I don't know man, by the time The MCU had become a cinema juggernaut, the comics were already repulsively woke. I remember thinking, with every new release "will this be the one that catches up with the comics' politics?"
"The pacing makes an Arctic glacier look like an F1 car."
lol. That one caught me off guard
DM ME 🎁🎁👆...
The CGI Ironheart suit was ABYSMAL not to mention all of the other film-making issues throughout the entire movie
I enjoyed this movie but damn that suit was so bad I almost died laughing at it
When shuri said " He drowned my mother right before my eyes" I was really confused because she wasn't actually there.
That makes sense, a trama of seeing your mother's dead body can make you say things that didn't happen exactly like that.
She was there. Namor was saying something along the lines of "Mourn now, because we will come back" while shuri was screaming, crying, and attempting to run towards her dying mother while Dora Milaje was holding her back.
From my knowledge she was in the ship and saw him throw the bombs at the window. Then she went in the building the other way.
@@jonathanalonso6492 That was after, she wasn't actually there when she drowned, I know for a fact she was inside the ship then made her way to her, by then she was already unconscious.
@@jonathanalonso6492 shh, don’t let facts get in the way of these people emotions lol
I completely laughed out loud, exactly like a crazy person ( due to the fact that I was alone, at the time ), when you said, "Lock him in a room, with some heaters, to dry him out". Priceless, brother!
"I have a plan for killing the sea man, we dehydrate him."
I was thinking "taking the cure" but, yeah. They couldn't set the sharks with lazers on their heads on him.
You do realise you can make fun of every single plan of the heroes that way?
I just watched this movie after the Disney plus release and I feel like Riri could have been removed from the movie and it wouldn't change a single thing. She's shown to be really intelligent but doesn't even do anything to show it
Thank you !!!!! Someone finally said it. She was an unnecessary character to have in this movie
The most expected honest review
Yep.
Yes
I can’t wait to see what honest trailer from screen junkies says about this movie when it’s time😬
@@silashurd3597
It took them ages to do the first one, for some reason. Have a feeling this one will take half the time... 😂
@@nicholastotoro7721 likely. And also after seeing their HT for She-Hulk, yeah, I bet I know what they’re gonna say
the first part of the movie, T'challa's funeral, felt heart filled and like they were trying to honor not only him but his now passed actor. then they immediately shit of everything he sought out to do.which was sharing what Wakanda had and building foreign relationships.
Yeah, no better way to honor your son/king than to go against his wishes and cut ties with the rest of the world.
They were stricken with grief and the movie points out at the beginning why they are distrustful of other nations when they were going to help them out which is literally after the funeral. Plus part of Shuri's arc with dealing with grief also related to how she felt about the world which is noted when she talks to her mother before meeting Namor, and the conversation she has with Killmonger also highlights this.
@@EricHernandez-vx8cv Isn't the distrust of outsiders thing just a bit of a pointless retread of one of the main through lines of the first movie? That's how it sounds to me at least
@@EricHernandez-vx8cv Congrats! You just perfectly exemplified why having an explanation for something doesn’t make it automatically good.
@@EricHernandez-vx8cv That literally contradicts the first movie…in ALL its entirety.
You can tell how genuinely disappointed instead of just angry the drinker is with a movie with how he says "go away now" at the end.
If it doesnt have to be Roasts-of-Hollywood,
try "Some More News". Guy can genuinly be funny while talking about Problems, local or global, and People, local or global. If it has to be Movie-themed, he only has his Popcorn-Movie where he explores much of what C-Drinker talked about before.
Well, since he didn't like the first one, I think he wasn't expecting much from this film.
This movie was crap. Not much else to say
Black panther 2… “bilbo baggins was out jogging in the woods when shiri & okoyas mosquito drone attacks him”
The drying up the bad guy to weaken him part wasn't bad as an idea. The problem is that the power levels fluctuate too much even during the same movie, so for no reason at all he couldn't just punch through the ship to free himself when earlier he was shown throwing and cutting planes in half.
That's what I was thinking - and he eventually sort of did exactly that. I would think sucking out all air from that chamber would work better and dry him out even faster, but I'm not a genius prodigy engineer, so what do I know.
What bothered me is... weren't all those Wakandan toys made of vibranium? How could Namor slice through them just like that in the final battle or before that during the attack on Wakanda? Even if his spear was vibranium too - does vibranium cut vibranium?
@@Peterski vibranium can cut vibranium. Also Namor in general in the ultimate universe (Which is what the MCU is based on) is one of the strongest characters there. So he'd have little trouble doing that. The issue is that Namor has varying levels of power in the movie that sort of downplay him. Only reason why he lost at all was because he's the villain and he had to lose, but if he wasn't? Probably could have been different if they let him use 100% of his powers. Fun fact though, there is only one other metal on earth that can cut vibranium and that's adamantium, the same metal found in Wolverine's claws.
to be fair power levels fluctuate depending on what the script needs on every MCU movie.
@@digitalduken9973 wouldn’t this make Namor stronger than Thanos then? Thanos had to attack Cap’s shield maybe over 5 times just to cut off about half. Meanwhile Namor was just cutting through several aircrafts made of the same stuff as the shield. It just doesn’t sit right with me that Namor could potentially beat Thanos (no stones) in a one on one fight.
He put his spear through the ship severely damaging it, and was in fact punching the ship, Shuri had to come in and try and stop him from destroying it.
The "badguy" from this movie was totally chill when Thanos killed half of his people
maybe he was 'snapped' out too. and/or his people. Maybe they were so isolated that they didn't know what was going on. Maybe they all got snapped away... that is a over-simplified statement... think about it better next time
@@mozartman87 heck, the only reason wakanda was involved was because captain America brought vision there
@@diomedes7971 she kind of proved that when she commented on Vision's design. Oh, and Stark was a little busy fighting Thanos on Titan during the battle of wakanda. What's your point here?
@@diomedes7971 it's fine, Shuri couldn't make the herb which was basically a naturally occurring Super Soldier Serum making Abraham Erskine the smartest man in the MCU.
@@diomedes7971 Few issues with your statement. Shuri is about 20 in Black Panther 2. Also, she did prove her smart against Bruce Banner in The Infinity War and she has the advantage of reverse-engineering of everything Tony Stark has done.
Great review. I thought this movie was awful. So many plot holes. Why would Namor need the help of Wakanda to fight the US who has no Vibranium, then get into a war with Wakanda??? It would have been great to see the Winter Soldier in this movie instead of the 19 year old scientist/student whose existence completely disrespects Tony Stark
Yes I agree that Namor should have had a better storyline because the one that they wrote doesn’t make sense at all. If that was the case they should have put another villain in because Namor has so much potential.
I prefer Atlantis to marvels namor
My biggest confusion with his plan was simply why. Like, they clearly were able to easily protect their home. Why go to war with the "surface world" when NONE of the people down there (Except Namor himself) could even breathe above water?
@lulu Namor is a dick in the comics who is always on the brink of war with the surface world. He is like anti-hero Dr. Doom. They attacked Wakanda because they confirmed the existence of vibraium in great quantities. Because they could not steal from Wakanda they searched for other sources and the only other source is Talokan. Their main protection is being unknown. The underlying story was how vengeance causes destructive descions. Namor and Shuri mirrored that and why her letting him live was her letting go of vengeance.
Typical Disney writing.
I nearly pissed myself laughing when I saw the main villain flying with those tiny sparrow sized wings on his ankles... WTF!!!
Have you read the comics?
@@ShxdowBoy_X clearly no
It's Namor, a**hole
@@TheRaccman Who gives a shit..
@@ShxdowBoy_X No.. I'm an adult.
"it's okay when we do it" perfectly summarizes the writers' and their target audience (i.e. the twitter mob) thought process, if it can even be called that.
Let's face it that is nowhere near just a twitter thing. Conservatives and conservative christians have shown zero problem stripping freedoms like choice away, have committed terrorist bombings, their leaders take advantage of their follower base, etc. Theyve also loooooong been free speech killers in the name of "morals". Idk why people started to forget this and ignore this when we have decades of comedians and shows pushing the boundaries against those people and their insane control/hypocrisy/etc. "When we do it" is the justification for more than just twitter groups
Y’all really don’t understand why everyone can’t have vibraunium huh. This movie wasn’t even woke no cringy ass “imawoman so I’m better” or other shit thy try to force like past marvel movies and shows
@@jdv7359 I agree with you that it didn’t have as much up front woman>man moments but when it comes to the “woke” parts of this movie it mainly falls on the randomly placed bits of critical race theory that added nothing to the plot.
I thought it was really strange that Wakanda failed to honor T’Challa’s promise to the world to share Vibranium. 😂
If they shared vibranium there would be no need to try to get unobtanium and that would remove the purpose behind Avatar II.
@@jonmcdaniel8492 Ha! Good one.
they didn't explicitly say they would share vibranium. They said that it was time to look after one another then it cuts to a guy asking what they have to offer. While it may have been assumed it was vibranium, once nations tried attacking outpost to obtain it themselves especially after the death of their king all bets were off which is why she marches the mercenaries in to prove a point. wakanda has several outreach programs and was essential to the battle during infinity war so it's not like they have not been helping this whole time.
@@isiahblaise5245 they fought in infinity war bc of personal connections and that they were going to be affected.
They did not promise that. They vowed to help blacks people around the world
The only reason they chose shuri is because she’s the black panther in the comics; however, her character traits are also completely different in the comics. For one, the intelligence that shuri is known for is supposed to be t challa’s (although he is much more logical and serious with it). Building on that, her comic form is much more of a warrior trying to be the black panther and lives in his shadow
At least you care about some black people in a damn comic. Aint no one even comment on this thread cause this is a channel that spreads h a t e f u l speech and this channel is also an Echochamber.
They should have resurrected Killmonger and had him become black Panther, he was also Black Panther in the comics AND joined the Avengers at one point
@@justlivin2499 no just no
@@justlivin2499 Considering one of Killmongers things is the altar of resurrection, I see that having potential.
@@justlivin2499 did you not read the OP about how the movie version of shuri is nothing like the comics and that it doesn't make as much sense in the MCU? The same applies for Killmonger but 10fold because he's a nationalist imperialistic homicidal lunatic.
The MCU pretty much died with Tony Stark.
You know a movie is bad when you can't even finish listening to The Drinker tear it to pieces. It's like "Stop, stop! She's already dead!!!"
"Simpsons" reference?!
@@owenogletree6374 They put that reference on Solar Opposite
I too had to quit watching early. No offense to Critical Drinker, but life is too short for this crap.
These reviews ripping a new one are more entertaining than the 99% of what hollywood produces these days.
@@CommanderTato facts last good movie I saw that didn't have woke narrative shoved down ur throat was Top Gun 2
When Namor said “Wakanda forever, more like Wakanda Bore-ever” I failed to choke back my tears. Such an emotional moment
bore ragnorak????
😂😂😂
@@The_Basement_Dwellers1 All hail dear leader Jim
@@whisperoftheworm6479 Ah, I see you're a person of fine tastes. Just be sure to stay away from basements and pufferfish.
That already sounds more entertaining than this slog of a movie.
I don’t get how there was anyone that DIDN’T think it would be a mess
Those who read the comics and understand it's about the character NOT THE ACTOR
Disney used to make entertainment for toddlers, now it is the toddler and we expect a mess!
Thanks for increasing the profits!
Unfortunately, anyone that would even try to question is destroyed!
Cosmonaut Variety Hour apparently. He gave it an 8/10.
Regardless of what ppl may think about this movie, if it was good or bad. The performances are extremely personal and moving all around, but Angela Bassett delivers a powerhouse performance. This movie wasn’t even acting, it was pure emotion from the cast mourning of Chadwick in the movie and in real life. The emotions, the pain and tears within Actors and characters have been shown to be beautiful. This movie did the best way of respectfully honoring Chadwick. And this movie delivered. Such a Beautiful, fantastic, emotional, heartfelt film and tribute film to the late Chadwick Boseman. I will forever cherish this movie and the work these people have done. Thank you to the cast, developers, director, and especially, Chadwick Boseman. May you rest in peace, Black Panther.
'Needed to be fully rewritten' was mentioned several times, and this is my favorite critique. It explains why the movie has pacing problems and is longer than expected, it's honest without being overly mean, and gives a suggestion to make the movie better. That's a good review!
You forgot to mention a key part at the end: Fishman smugly tells his mopey lackey that Wakanda will someday come begging them for help. A sentiment echoed at the very beginning when lady panther and Namor first meet to discuss terms of a truce or partnership. Meaning he came to the same conclusion they'd talked briefly about before wasting everyone's time for nearly 3 hours. "Hey remember at the beginning when I proposed we form an alliance so nobody would fuck with us and you said NO? Neither does anyone else watching or even writing this movie, apparently."
When that scene happened near the end, I genuinely blurted out WHAT during the movie. It's like the writers had completely forgotten to tone they'd set with that first conversation near the beginning of the movie when they wrote this final scene near the end.
The CHARACTER T'Challa wanted it a different way. He's gone and now his nation is going a different way.
But didn't he say that if Wakanda said no to the alliance, they would be the first to be attacked. So, why would they join. Also, Shuri wasn't in charge, it was the queen that was in charge and she seemed more willing to talk, but it never seem like Wakanda was ever going to join.
This man just called Mabel Cardena's Namora a "mopey lackey" ....your whole argument is invalid lmao
Well Timm.. clearly Namor's intention at the beginning of the film is to go on the offensive and attack the surface world, he gave Wakanda an ultimatum and seeked them out as an ally in their quest.. That's a bit different then the Wakanda being attacked and blamed by the rest of the world (who are still don't know about Namor's people existence). Since they failed defeating Wakanda head on, they can leverage and execute their original plan if the rest of the world is dumb enough to attack Wakanda. Can't you see the difference?
@@adrianpheiffer9960 he can theyre just trying to find criticisms lol. or theyre just a bit dumb. or a bit of both lol
This is really funny. Your comments about how Riri is regarded in the movies is the ONE time Marvel actually follows the comics. Riri is the most overhyped "hero" Marvel comics ever produced. Everything about her screams "Villain," but they continue to tell her and everyone else how wonderful and special she is.
Doesn't she become Iron heart out of spite in the comics?
I have no idea what her origin story is. I'll look into that.
@@stevenscott2718 forced spite, might I add
@@primedarkking10 What happened?
@@maisey-2000 She demands that her teacher tell her she cant be a hero...so that she can be motivated by ego to prove the teacher wrong. But the teacher is like, :"Why would I do that to you?"
Riri keeps pushing until the teacher says, "You wont be tony stark." to placate the girl even though the teacher clearly doesnt mean it as a bad thing since stark is about the highest bar possible. The movie references this but in a way that way less combative and way less insanely narcissistic. Ii didnt mind the way they did the character here. If she was like this in the comics she might have been muych more well received
I just watched this movie and came straight here, knowing you'd done this video. I had high hopes at the start, but if anything, this movie highlights how little Marvel cares about the relationships between characters. Riri's introduction scene reminded me so much of Tony Stark showing up at Peter Parker's house in Civil War, even down to "I can't go to Germany, I have... homework" and "I can't go to Wakanda, I've got class in fifteen minutes", but there was none of the connection that Tony and Peter had. I thought they'd develop her relationships with Okoye and Shuri throughout the movie, but I don't think she had a single scene with Okoye after the car chase, and she just felt like a spare part in all of her scenes with Shuri. Then there's Shuri and Namor, where there were all the parts and the chemistry for a story about two people who feel deeply connected to one another and make unlikely allies, but are ultimately doomed to never trust each other's motivations enough for an actual friendship (or more) to develop, but they cut it down to the bare essentials... in a three hour movie. And don't get me started on the actions scenes, that had me going "ohhhh this is gonna be good" and then "... oh, that's it?", or the excessive slow motion.
Also I wholeheartedly appreciate your admiration of Angela Basset’s figure, I swear she’s actually her Marie Laveaux character from AHS coven - she DOES NOT age
I just checked ain't no way she's 64 lmao
There is a saying in my community that black doesnt crack… and that white people age like spoiled milk haha
Hot as hell for 64. Fine for any age really.
And Angela Bassett was born the same day as the '80's singer Madonna!
However, I think Angela aged better, imo.
@@literallyvergil1686 Angela Bassett was born August 16, 1958.
You perfectly summarized every single gripe I've had with Black Panther in one video. Thank you.
the first one was just passable. I dont get why people regard it as one of the best superhero movies of all time. Its barely watchable.
Lmfao we both know why and we both know who says it’s so “praised”
I think a recast of T'challa was needed, I felt Namor was fine, and even Menacing at times, but it clashed with the scenes where you thought for a second that maybe he was going to try and court Shuri, only for him to 180 at the end of it. I think, a Recast could of been done, and you use Namor to kill T'challa, where he dies after stopping Namor, and doing something that makes Namor see the error of his ways. Then In the next movie, if you are going to use Shuri, then you go about making her the Panther then. I think the character that dies in this movie, also could of survived it and then you move her death to next movie.
The movie drags on, but when it gets going it hits in rapid succession with things not giving you time to really take them in. Like he said 3 movies cut into one film.
I disagree with his take on the comedy, i think it landed for the most part, and that wasn't just every 5 minutes to the point that the movie was a parody. unlike some other shows and movies done by the MCU.
I think Ironheart has the chance to be a good character, but little time is spent building her up. Instead you get the John Wick Build up where everyone around her talks her up, but with little time on her you don't get to know her, and because all of this happens like drinker said she is just the plot point.
we are suppose to believe that the Atlanteans are just as strong and as advanced as Wakada, but little is done to prove this.
Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman, the franchise will never ever be the same without you. That's all I have to say about this movie.
yes he was the greatest ever so articulate so humble so mentor so intelligent so beautiful so talented
It's about the character NOT THE ACTOR
The second movie shouldn't have been made. There's no place for it, and it shows. Chadwick WAS BP. Trying to replace him just simply won't work, especially with this woke garbage.
@@PodreyJenkin138 he was the best ever i heard on TV so i believe it
@@joewilliekingdom cmon, he was really well cast, not irreplaceable though
We need more people like drinker A guy who’s just brutally honest wow that’s a lot of likes
too many would get "hurt" :)
brutally biased is what you meant. With the right opinion being brutally honest will still get you clicks.
No, we don't. We need honest reviewers that aren't making their minds up before they sit down in the theater. This 'review' is utterly BS to the point I'm wondering if he actually saw the right movie or got black out drunk and made it up in his head. This was one of the better Marvel movies and it had an impossible task that it did in a fantastic way. You... people need to get your heads out of your ass and stop hating on everything Marvel just because its the cool thing to do right now.
need him to become a george lucas i hollywood
Don’t pedestalize a reviewer just enjoy the products. If you overly praise every action, you’re showing that you’ve learned nothing from MCU hype.
You know, I used to think that Shuri becoming Black Panther would be cool to see simply because she’s so not suited for the role so she’d need a huge character arch. The trouble is, the writers aren’t good enough to pull it off.
Shuri should have had a Tony and Peter vibe with Riri. Maybe, Shuri is now working in one of their outreach centers and can't bring herself to go back to Wakanda and Riri is her annoying but brilliant assistant. She has to be the T'Challa to a new Shuri. This way, you can also develop Riri as a character.
The pieces are all right there. The writers are just not smart enough to put them together.
the writing for her was all over the place. she said she wanted to "burn the world" after t'challa died from natural illness that wasn't anyone's fault. and she fucking jeopardized her entire nation to protect riri who she barely knows. and what was the result? she lost her mother. yeah she fucking deserved that. there's plenty of idealistic children who thinks they can "save everyone" in films but when someone that naive is part of royalty or in a position of power they become RESPONSIBLE for other people's lives and they have to go through a hard wake-up call on how cruel reality is. but we NEVER see her regret her actions or blame herself, instead she does a complete 180 and risk even more lives to get revenge. wtf
and EVEN more unforgivable was how the QUEEN of wakanda who has decades of experience as a ruler risked going to war with namor by demanding he hand over riri who she never even MET before. that simply isnt realistic. no president or government or king in the real world would EVER risk going to war and putting their people's lives at risk for a stranger they never met
@@williamwoolf8072 thank you!!!!!! Yes!!!!! I mean what about the people that got killed or hurt ect when the water people attacked coz of this one girl who means literally nothing to them, and then to disrupt their lifes(l mean to protect them sure but still) all for what l would be mad af ,that ruler dnt care about her people ,the difference Shuri would let her people die and risk them to save a stranger, whereas Nomari would do anything to keep his people safe, l think ld want a ruler would was MY side no offense ,also why not let the Americans take her, she is their citizen shuri could have gone with her myb l dunno ,they did nothing to make us want to care if this girl lived or died,l might have felt something for her if they actually killed(pretend, like they think she dead but surprise she still alive) her l know that's cold but damn they lost their queen poor leadership and that ape man is the biggest looser ,going to war and keeping the people safe when he gets no say in the decision making
I guess they brought her M.I.T twin in to replace her as the "wakanda science," while Skinny Shuri fights. 10x stronger she would still be 2nd place to a trans woman in a powerlifting competition. Hell, yeah, trans women rock!
Gotta agree with Angela Basset being the best part of this train wreck. 64? I see her in so many things and had no idea she was that old. Damn she looks good for that. She should definitely be the next true Black Panther. You have to admit, that would bring serious crowds
Seeing how T'Chala's ex was the one to push him into opening up Wakanda you would think that SHE is best suited to carrying on his legacy. As well as being the head warrior for another tribe (shown in the first movie, during the king-making ceremony), so it's not like she would be chosen haphazardly.
Instead they shoe-horn in the genius kid sister with zero combat experience who already has an important, non-combatant role based on the previous movies.
This could have been a good movie, but I imagine whoever is in charge decided to rush it out the gate half-cocked.
Agreed
You don’t understand. They have to paint all blacks people as big brained scientists so they had to force her in so they can have a big brain black to force down the throat in the name of diversity.
She's literally next in line for the throne though? It's how monarchies work
Why would u ever think nakia would be queen? She and Tchalla weren't even married, she has no claim to the throne. And its not lie she would want it anyways. Shuri had battle training from a young age, she just fathered be a scientist.
tbh i was expecting nakia to be the new black panther, even if she isnt in line for the throne. i thought the black panther coukdve been reinvented into a protector alongside the leaders of wakanda. didnt really like how shuri was fprced into the role only cause she is the sole surviving member of the royal family.
I GOTTA admit that seeing Suri defeat Namor as she was a rookie BP with NO ACTUAL combat experience like her brother who fought Killmonger!both Captain America and Bucky lol and in Infinity War plus Endgame. VS Namor who can hold his own against the HULK, was like seeing a FIRST YEAR female martial arti student defeat BRUCE LEE in a one on one fight. Made no fucking sense! NEXT RiRi Williams/ Iron Heart will defeat Rodey/ War Machine in a battle. Just because it has to be that way. BS!!
Except, she used her intelligence not brute force. She had already weaken him and then she burnt him further weaken him. It wasn't about skill or strength.
@@CalvinKalisto we get it, you loved the movie and you’re determined to defend it from all criticism even if it’s valid
Did you forget she was granted the black panther power ? Lmao what do you expect bro its a superhero movie the hero is coming out on top always
@@gaijinhakase1575 except it isn't valid. Namor was weakened to all shit. She knew she couldn't win conventionally
@@timmyturtles9670 uh black panther powers comes from the plant
U know the plant that Mister Manykill destroyed?
The same plant that was needed to cure tchalla?
The extinct plant?
Without that u wont get the superhuman speed strength durability and all that stuff