How Powerful Is Gemstone Godzilla?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Haven't been able to record the scaling videos I've wanted, so have this instead.
I think it'd be nice to see #Heisei #Godzilla 's spiral successor fight but is he really #godzillajunior or is #gemstone #gvsg #godzillavsgiganrex #godzillavsmegalon someone else?
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Would've been out earlier today but Toho kept blocking it worldwide.
Ah well, better late than never right?
Statements are there for most Godzillas that their beams are made of light and radiation, but does this necessarily apply to gemstone?
@@jaydenaryan2425 Not inherently but there'd be more of a burden of proof to claim otherwise
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 But then again saying that it DOES apply to gemstone is a "arguing from ignorance" fallacy.
Just because there's no proof the claim is wrong doesn't mean it's true, in fact it seems rather inconclusive to state that it could apply to Gemstone.
Aren't we just supposed to base our claims from what is established?
ruclips.net/video/cGK-0cJ6Wrc/видео.htmlsi=9LwTtAxEKFy5KnxA
Enjoy debunking this.
Homie references Godzilla earth being 40,000 tons heavier and 200m taller but didn’t feel like doing the math to realize that means that at one third of the height, burning Godzilla was 2/3 the weight of Earth.
@@jaydenaryan2425it’s a safe assumption unless proven otherwise. It behaves like all other beams so unless stated otherwise, it’s safe to assume.
But you are technically correct that unless explicitly stated it can’t be known for sure.
Incredible as always my glorious king
Legendary: "Domain Expansion, primordial Hollow Earth"
"Nah I'd win"
Great video man, while I'm disappointed that Gemstone isn't Junior, he's still an awesome Godzilla !
It's not confirmed that he isn't jr
Didn’t they say in the beginning of the Godzilla vs Gigan Rex short that over those 25 years everyone forgot about the monsters? Because that actually fixes a lot of counterarguments against him being Junior. Like if everyone forgot about the monsters there were no need for the mechas or maser tanks or anything else so they we’re probably just left alone in disrepair if I had to guess. I would also say it would be expensive to maintain all of that equipment, but considering how many times Godzilla destroyed parts of Japan I’m pretty sure they just have infinite funds at this point. And yes Miki Saegusa’s actor did say the Heisei era was over, but even after the events of the original gojira his story still continued in the heisei and millennium era with the heisei era taking place 30 years after and in the millennium he became Kiryu so it’s not that far fetched to see a Godzilla from a previous era have their own story in a new era. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong though. Also if you see this comment, if Gemstone is Junior, where would his base and amped form scale to his father in your opinion? For me I think his base would scale to Godzilla in Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla and his amped form is equivalent to Burning Godzilla before meltdown
First of all 84 from 54 had a bigger time jump and they prepared for Godzilla just in case anyway. After a massively more powerful Godzilla existed for over a DECADE and left an even stronger successor you think they'd get rid of the defenses? The mechs? Masers at least?
But there were no statements the series were over after that first one. In fact it very clearly states another Godzilla can and will return unless we change. Very different from the saga being stated over.
If it is Junior, you're correct on the power gauge. He's stated to be at least as strong or stronger than his father.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812I never said that humanity got rid of any of their mechs or weapons, I just said that they were likely just left alone in the 25 year gap between GvD and Godzilla vs Gigan Rex and fell into disrepair, although I feel like if a third Gemstone film comes out we will hopefully see a return of the maser tanks or a mecha
Edit: do you hope Gemstone Godzilla will be confirmed to he Godzilla Junior?
@@IABtheUtahraptor Not in particular. I mean he's fighting Gigan and Megalon....kinda lame that the Heisei series built up how stupid powerful and influential Godzilla's existence is on the world...only for Gigan and Megalon to just drop by with Destoroyah levels of power
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812I suppose you’re right in that regard, but even then the battles they were in were amazing and honestly I liked them more than any monsterverse fight. Also one thing I’ve heard someone use to downplay Heisei is that the guidebooks for him are unreliable so the info we get from them to scale Heisei up is invalid because some of the behind the scenes info in them is wrong. Is this right or wrong?
Edit: also I’ve heard that the Showa scaling for Heisei isn’t reliable either so would that also be a right or wrong counterpoint to Heisei’s strength?
I do think the idea of gemstone just being another one-off timeline and not a continuation of some other timeline (especially heisei which has the most interesting unresolved plot point) so boring. Gemstone being Godzilla jr makes the shorts so much more interesting especially since Gemstone being a good guy Godzilla makes is really interesting if he's Godzilla Junior.
It would be amazing but as awesome as that would be, there's evidence against it and none for it
That, and we wouldn't say those short films with the Final Wars suit and Showa suits aren't Final Wars itself
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 honestly if it isn’t then it’s a wasted opportunity because you have everything your need to make him hit and they decide to throw everything in the bin in my opinion
Honestly if he was junior,there would be a missed opportunity to make a callback to the space pollution referenced in the end of '94,itd be a good homage and a nice way to confuse the fans who havent seen anything outside the reiwa era.
Anyway good stuff as per usual.
That is Godzilla Junior. It makes sense how 1995 is 25 years and he does look like his father as well.
Good breakdown, people really need to just drop the “he’s Godzilla jr” argument tho.
Imo honestly that is a wasted opportunity
I think he's just inspired
Yeah hes just a fan made
Imagine if we get to see Gemstone versions of Anguirus, Rodan, King Ghidorah, etc.
Perhaps this year we will
happy you made this as wanted to know his power scale in a deeper level and you earned a sub
Gemstone is surprisingly criminally underrated
What kinda upsets me is that they say it’s not canon and then make references to the heisei era which is annoying. Like I do want gemstone to be Godzilla jr but until that’s actually confirmed don’t mind this being a separate entity.
Where did you get that pic for Godzilla at 2:54 ? It’s not a figure is it? I’d like to find a copy of that one in high Rez
Is that a Yuji Sakai sculpt?
I've always thought it'd be cool if this was Godzilla Jr all grown up, always wanted a continuation of that, we need a new series with that.
It it's canon I want Toho to say it
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 I definitely don't thinks that's on there minds right now especially since they are shorts under their umbrella and not movies
I’m considering writing a fanfic that follows Jr after Vs Destoroyah, one idea I have is for the return of Biollante.
@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Yeah same
When someone uses the argument that G21 > G19 because G21 glowed more and the KoTM novel said Godzilla’s glow ties to his strength, what debunks are there for it?
Waiting for young godzilla junior powerscale
Tbh if toho confirms gemstone is junior i would definitely celebrate.
@_Ducky420 that doesnt change the fact its not junior
The radiation changes the entire LOOKS AND SKINS + BODY PARTS of godzilla
Why can it not add 2 SMALL FINGERS?
@_Ducky420 the starting scene of gvgrex was totally the scene of jr from gvgrex ending
Probably just a call back to the, heisei era.
Even tho I still think gemstone is junior, This is still a great video, also what do you think of FDA’s Godzilla earth vs burning godzilla video?
Was trash, was making my own before his dropped and sucked
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812would love to see your version of this debate
Where did you get the information that says a one shot is a ten times difference?
As an average from all the tiering system, but for Kaiju you could argue a higher increase
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 especially since "one shots"can mean anything from knocked out to obliterated off the face of the earth
I would never use Heisei feats when trying to scale him, but him being Jr is still my PERSONAL headcanon, even if it's not true
Fair
Would be cool
Fax. Do u agree with the fact that Gmk win against minus one?
Yes
I'd say at best he'd get to country, but with consistency he's around island level.
Finally someone knows that for now tjis goji is not Godzilla jr (at least for now)
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I consider what you say here to be pseudo correct
Because it's true there are a few contradictions but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not canon we literally have a modern Godzilla universe where half of the lore is rewritten in every film mission in the early era of Godzilla films half of the films have things that contradict one another with some sequels being as far removed from the movie that they are sequel to and as possible sometimes even with the Japanese versions so it doesn't necessarily mean it's not canon so much as certain aspects of the timeline or either forgotten or rewritten
And while it is true there is no statement saying this is Junior at the same time I think this is intentionally meant to be personally interpreted by the viewer meaning that it very well could be cannon
3:19
If he is a branch timeline version of the original heisei Godzilla that would also mean that he would have most of the same feats as the original likely speaking in fact it could very well make sense that this might be one of the three main timelines that was made by Godzilla versus Ghidorah that never got the same mechagodzilla super X3 mechagodzilla or anything like that that would actually do any real damage to the monsters while also explaining how Godzilla is still so powerful simply put in this timeline instead of using with Rodan he just continued absorbing energy at a slower Pace allowing his body to adapt to the nuclear energy
Keep in mind I do have to agree it's a lot more fun scaling him whenever he doesn't have the massive boost of power from being related to the heisei era
Not only is that not true but the Heisei era stayed pretty consistent its entire run, there are no notable contradictions aside from maybe the time paradox stuff which is explained in universe. For Gemstone to contradict so much while giving nothing forward as evidence means that all the winks don't amount to much. Godzilla Earth has Millennium era sounds, turns into a psuedo Burning form as well, same for Ultima. He sounds like early Heisei and Millennium put together, references Shin and attacked in 1954.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 I think you must have misread my comment
I didn't say that the time travel paradox wasn't explained in fact I referenced the fact that the explanation suggests that there are various heisei Godzilla timelines with there being a mane 3 which you also pseudo reference in your video
I was also pointing out that just because there's inconsistencies doesn't mean it's not connected but I was also not saying it was connected either I'm saying that regardless of your points it's still very possible
Also one point you even suggest that this is a potential split timeline from the heisei era which would suggest again that all of the base stuff that would apply to the regular heisei Godzilla would most likely apply to this Godzilla if there's simply the same Godzilla in a different timeline with different abilities do two things having played out differently
Plus it's not like I flat out said you were wrong I'm saying that I think what you're saying could be true but I don't consider it this full truth
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 also I was pointing out the fact that other film series in the Godzilla franchise have their own inconsistencies in spite
My first two examples were the monsterverse and the shower era both having great inconsistencies that rewrite the lore almost every couple of films or in the monster versus case they rewrite almost half of everything
Just because we have inconsistencies in those films which in some cases like the shower of would make some films almost completely unrelated to each other they're still Canon
This is on top of the fact that there are weird and dumb decisions in all of these movies all the time
And my reasoning for bringing up the heisei Ghidorah film is that there is a timeline that exists that never got Mecca Ghidorah meaning in one of the three main he say timelines created by that film we never get mechagodzilla in that timeline or any of the later weaponry that would be effective against the lighter stronger Kaiju
i agree with you people saying gemstone godzilla is heisei jr is stupid bc gemstone godzila dosent even look like jr and jr at end of godzilla vs destroyah was full grown and was like father he looked like his father but this gemstone godzilla doesn't lmao
While it is true about your argument with Gemstone not being a continuation of Heisei era, one thing i would like to say...about there not being ghe mazer tanks and everything. If Gemstone was supposed to be heisei sequel (just personal headcannon), it could be that 25 years of peace meant the government had no reason to continue funding G Force, and so the whole division was disbanded...
But Junior was saying was in 1999 when he last been seen
Great video
I didn't even know he existed
The scaling starts here 3:31
So I’m kinda confused here
If we do assume that his temperature is 100000 degress, base is country and amped is multi continental but what about without the 100000 degrees assumption?
City level amp, town level base
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 I see
Who wins between gigan Rex and megalon?
@@Foc_heisei Gigan Rex. He fought full power Godzilla without an amp and with the six core red beam he pressured full power Godzilla, who at 30% cut Megalon in half
Questions
1. Since MV Godzilla's atomic breath is stated to be the most powerful weapon in nature would he upscale every single storm and natural disaster in history and I've heard it extends to the whole known universe (Not completely sure if its true, I've only heard about it) so would he also upscale supernova's and Hypernova's?
2. How much weaker is 2021 Godzilla compared too 2019 and by what amount would he upscale 2021's feats, since in your Mv scaling video you stated in the description on how he was weakened in GVK, also why do you scale his hollow earth to multi-continental if it's stated to distort space-time and the hollow earth is stated to have a gravity comparable to a Blackhole? I'm not against your scaling at all I'm just curious on why you scaled it to that?
3. Who wins in a fight full power Final Wars Godzilla or Full power 2019 Godzilla and what are the key factors on why one of them wins?
4. What do you think of heisei Gamera?
(If any of my statements are wrong or not true please let me know)
I'm learning to become a proper scaler without being biased so I wanted your opinions on these topic, also do you have tips on how to scale things properly so I can understand better, Also love your video's.
1. The universe one is more iffy, Greg Keyes mentioned he thinks nature extends beyond Earth
2. Roughly half. Half is the most definitive concrete number we get, though varies between different points in the movie. And if it was truly as mighty as a stellar black hole, the planet would've been erased.
3. Currently I favor 2019. His power and durability are far higher. That is coupled with better stamina and better abilities like being able to stop regeneration and bypass physical defense. Final Wars is no slouch in raw force however, and has MUCH higher speed and is a vastly superior hand to hand fighter. You could argue he could use the same strategy Mechagodzilla did and widdle down that defense.
4. First movie was solid, though not as good as people usually say. I love Legion, the movie improves upon everything in the first. And I despise Gamera 3. It has the same points in GvK I don't like. On top of that it has an absolutely unlikeable antagonist the movie tries to make you feel sorry for and pulls a twist villain in Irys. Not fond of it much at all.
Thanks for for responding and bringing your good points.
Also if you could improve the third Gamera movie in your own way what would you change. And what did you think about the idea that Gamera barely cared about the humans and didn't care if any died only wanting to eliminate the Gyaos, when the gem shattered the connection between Gamera and Asagi?
@@dragonelius5402 I would make Irys and his familiar just absolutely evil and irredeemable. No blaming Gamera for obvious stuff either. "Oh Gamera blew up this district when these Gyaos were gonna eat everything, what an awful creature kill him!" That choice was AWFUL.
What do you think about magic domain godzilla?
Can't verifiably prove it exists-no game footage on RUclips
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 apperantly many ppl thinks he is outer and canon to the main monsterverse
@@VorXkEnNo he’s only 5D to Infinite 5D at best and is not canon, just an AU MV.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 I’m pretty sure Magic Domain Godzilla is a completely fanmade thing iirc, like that World Of Darkness(I think that was the name of it) Godzilla that popped up a bit ago.
SRW Godzilla still remains 1# Strongest crossover Godzilla imo
Did you make Godzilla’s dorsal plates go from blue to red in your Legendary Godzilla Vs Gemstone Godzilla battle video? If you did, can I use it?
Yes. If you wish.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 thanks, also great job on the video
cool video.
KoTM, what advantages in your opinion would Boros have over MV Godzilla? And what advantages do you think MV Godzilla has over Boros? Ik about AP, durability but I’d like to learn about other battle attributes in this situation
Pro Boros: Speed, regeneration, flight, safer planetary scaling
Pro Godzilla: Hacks, stamina, intelligence, higher end arguments for power and durability
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 alright
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 wdym by safer planetary scaling?
"The Heisei series has long been over."
Me: "Not to me."
What Is Your Least Favorite Incarnation Of Godzilla?
Shin
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Why Do You Not Like Shin Godzilla?
@@HypErSHIN29 I could rant for hours on this and don't feel like it right now.
Imma Just Be Commenting More Cuz THESE ARE AWESOME
Also Can U Help Me To Understand Scaling I Cant Rlly Understand It....
Okay. Sure. Whatcha need
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Hmm So I Understood The Tiering System But The Thing Is I Cant Understand Joules And Like Everything Else...I Rely On Statements But I Just Wanna Actually Like Calculate Like U Do Thats My Problem I Cant Rlly Understand It..
Gkotm is cooking
At lest the mics fixed
Ik this is irrelevant to the video, but I have 3 questions for u gkotm
1. About the scaling for the oxygen destroyer, is it every second, or the total time
2. Does g54 scale to the 1 minute and 40 seconds he was alive for
3. If he doesn’t, does he scale to the 1 minute before coming to the surface to scream in pain?
Which
No he died
Yeah sorta
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812the scalings for the oxygen destroyer which are in the extatons, are those for every second it lasts or the total time it lasts
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812so wait, he doesn’t scale to the amount of time he was alive for, gotcha
@@TheBird575 he said that he kinda scales to the oxygen destroyer he would scale to 1 minute.
@@Godzillaminusone70Ik, but I’m asking if he scales to the entire time he was alive(1 minute 40 seconds) and I’m asking him if the calc for the oxygen destroyer is for every second or the the total scaling of the oxygen destroyer from beginning of it to the end of it
I have a few that he might be Godzilla JR
Who would win, Space Godzilla or Monster Zero equalised stats?
SpaceGodzilla. Ghidorah's regeneration is really the only thing he can use here. And if Godzilla can overtax better regeneration, SpaceGodzilla most certainly can too. The fact he almost took Heisei out is insane in itself.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 and SG is very intelligent so he'll stop aiming for the heads and go for the chest since Ghidorahs couldn't regenerate other body parts because he seems like he can only regenerate his heads and wings. He can't pull a grand king Ghidorah.
@@uhh345 hello
👍
hey who wins shin or clover from Cloverfield?
Clover
Shin neg diff
Sorry for swearing but godzilla guy he banned me from his Chat bc i was right also hes so wrong.like he is so childish
Conclusion: Gemstone Fraudzilla
Well he did get the gojo treatment in slick’s Battle Royale
@@Foc_heiseihey he did really good but lost to a high tier so it’s not the worst.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls fair
hes average as far as godzillas go
He's very weak lol
> MV Goji Lmao
Stronger than MV
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812only true if u give gemstone some higher end assumptions
That is Godzilla Junior. It makes sense how 1995 is 25 years and he does look like his father as well.
Good video