No. There ISN'T a Problem With Godzilla
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Another day, another shoddy, uninformed ill-researched video essay. This time it's a video by Nerdstalgic: "Is There a Problem With Godzilla?". It sucks. Here's why.
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I used to run in a lot of cinema circles where we'd talk heavily about movies. Not just arthouse films or indie films, mcu and star wars and horror films would come up all the time.
This nerdstalgic guy sounds like what we used to call a "told-to" film fan. It means he was told to watch the films he loves and recites what he read about those movies. He never made his own opinions on the films he watched and fell into the same hole of "themes and subtext matter more than the film" mentality.
The worst is that these people make the worst takes when it comes to "low class" entertainment. These 'anti-showa' videos remind me of that so much.
If it wasn't for the showa era, we would have half the things from japan we love.
Ok
That nerdstalgic guy was right all along about low class entertainment
I get getting weirded out or not really liking showa, but showa is still entertaining
The person behind Nerdstalgic sold off his channel to a media company and it's just a low effort content farm now. I think all he does is read the scripts.
Edit: I don't think he even does the reading anymore, there's a new voice reading out the scripts. I think the original person behind the channel is long gone.
This guy is on point. Why can't people praise Minus One without shiting on the MV and literally any Godzilla Movie since 1954. 😂
They can’t, ppl forget Godzilla is famous because of his era of monster stomping and not because of Gojira.
It’s worse than fans saying Space Godzilla is his strongest opponent lmao
@@The_Cholosseumwell who is his strongest opponent? Is it Ghidorah, is it Destoroyah or is it someone else?
@@acousticks526well his strongest is Destroyah or Keizer I believe.
But the one that has done the most damage to him is probably Mechagodzilla.
@@The_Cholosseumspacegoji is one of the strongest opponents, key word one of
@@train_go_boom2065 he isn’t
Destroyah is
Destroyah can take hits from his red thermal atomic breath while most monsters actually get beat up when Godzilla brings that out. That happened in Space Godzilla (if you ever decide to pay attention)
But if we want to include the Netflix anime, that ghidorah is the strongest opponent. But Mecha, muto prime, and Destroyah counter Godzilla whereas Space Godzilla does not. Take down his tower and he isn’t a problem at all.
I hate how people use Godzilla Minus One as a weapon against the Monsterverse. These are two completely different universe's. If it wasn't for Godzilla 2014, we would have never gotten Shin Godzilla (2016) and Godzilla Minus One (2023) because the Monsterverse revived the Godzilla ip/character. And if it wasn't for Godzilla 1954, we would have never gotten the Monsterverse, so what I'm trying to say is people need to respect the Toho movies and the Monsterverse the Monsterverse has opened up Godzilla to such a broader audience so this is why I show so much respect to the Monsterverse and the Toho movies.
^THIS. Toho has got to be happy as hell to have top-notch Godzilla projects being made on both sides of the Pacific! And we should be happy about that too!
@TWDub I find it odd how you say you're not trying to "shit on the parade," yet you're being so overly argumentative and personal about absolutely nothing. They made a simple statement, an opinion, and you go on to write a bunch of malarkey to be some sort of contrarian. You can say you're not trying to do something, but your actions imply something entirely different.
@TWDub bro is just yapping to yap
@TWDub With all due respect, this is such an excessive response. The lad above clearly didn't state something that should provoke this rant, even it the rant itself makes decent points.
@TWDubruclips.net/video/Tg8Q-MhStpY/видео.htmlsi=Lr7mHLuby-y3mzXv
I love the godzilla community man. When pretentious video essayists try to critique (specifically the monsterverse movies) we all collectively go "there's merit dude, you don't gotta be so deep about it". We don't say "godzilla is perfect and always has been", we understand our big G is flawed and we love him anyway!
We all settle our infighting and arguments to defend our beloved kaiju franchise. I love this community.
@@mrgodzillaraptors8632 amen
Preach!
We unite
That’s why I love this community
@mrgodzillaraptors8632 I'm sure the 'infighting' consists of us arguing which big monster is going to be in the next movie
*_"Batman's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but is certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots as the tortured avenger, crying out for mommy and daddy."_** ~ Bat Mite, Batman: The Brave and The Bold.*
Change up a few words and it applies to Godzilla as well.
Exactly. And it also applies to the James Bond films as well.
Now you gave me a funny way to bring back Godzooky, make him a 4th dimensional imp, especially in a DC cross over.
@@StuartLegomanLittledewit
God BaTB was so good
Because why demand more
Most of the essays are like, "I watched two movies and like them best, so all the others Suck doo doo"
Don’t forget the misinformation
Most of them 100% haven't watched the 1954 film, they just say 1954 and minus one are the only good ones because no one talks shit about 1954 so it MUST be objectively good.
Guarantee they didn't watch it, they just skimmed through it and parroted what everyone is saying lmao
Clearly people like that can't understand different tones of different times
Dr skipper be like :
problems with godzilla:
1. need more gigan
2. nothing
I’d say number two is need more Destoroyah, but other than that, nothing
gigan chad supremacy
also needs more megalon
Need More titanosaur
Needs more Battra
"In quick succession" yeah because three films separated by two years is quick succession lol
I remember after watching Godzilla 2014, wanting a sequel right away and right away turned into 5 years.
To be fair that is pretty fast for a film series of this budget and scope, to get the CGI, effects and the monsters to look that amazing in such time is nothing to scoff at
Not defending the clown obviously but simply being devils advocate
@@gfilmer7150fr. I remember on the DVD special features they teased Ghidorah and Mothra and I was so excited for the sequel, but the wait for them to actually make the second Godzilla film was brutal. At least we had skull island in between the time so it wasnt a complete dead zone
@@21Handguns But still, I didn’t want to see Kong, I wanted THAT specific Godzilla. I was really picky back then.
@@gfilmer7150 nah I was the same way lol. Not the biggest Kong fan either but at least we got the sequel eventually and it was very good (at least for the fans anyway) and now we are getting sequels very frequently now
These video essayists understand next to nothing about Godzilla 🤦♂️
But they understand about properly professional filmmaking than all the toxic AF Godzilla fanboys combined together.
@@davidostapenko2578Knowing professional film making isn't as impressive as you think . Also Godzilla fans are toxic because they point out the mistakes these video essayists make ? Knowing professional film making isn't an excuse to the misinformation they spread .
@@davidostapenko2578 knowing about film making doesn't mean you know how what is a good movie. just ask Zack Snyder and his " Rebel moon " movies
@@davidostapenko2578
Not going to repeat what the other two have said but I’ll say this. Exactly what “professional filmmaking” do these analysts actually have? Where do they get it from? Is their “professionalism” based on 3 years in film school where they only teach you pretentious theories or have they actually been on set before and been to a production? If it’s the former, then that’s not professionalism. By that logic, I can read books on how to be a policeman and claim that I am a police officer despite not actually experiencing it.
Whenever anyone says they are a “passionate film connoisseur/ film expert/ knowledgeable in filmmaking” I roll my eyes because their claims are simply baseless and disingenuous for professionals.
@@davidostapenko2578this is like saying you would rather want to listen to a fake doctor than to a med student.
Oh the Monsterverse has a loooooong way to go before it reaches Transformers levels of bad.
It never will reach those levels as long as it stays true to the source material unlike transformers
@@Kaiju-bm4ts Thankfully it seems we wont get a Godzilla(1998) case any time soon xD
@@draconinja2728 If it does come close to godzilla 1998 then it better be like godzilla the series
@@draconinja2728 Toho won't let it.
@@draconinja2728 honestly i wish they add zilla back to the monsterverse but as separate specie. liek imagine gman beating zilla butt
Nerdstalgic is a content farm.
Agreed
It used to be owned by someone who cared about art and film making but looks like he sold the channel
I know right? All he does is complain and complain.
And I'm the type of guy that Nerdstalgic claims to be appealing to, and yet I'm straight up repelled by his vids. I don't even watch the stuff, whenever I see a thumbnail I'll immediately hit the "I don't want to see this" button.
The problem is that guys like Nerdstalgic is that they're just running off of "anti-wokeness." But they really just appeal to a certain group of far right nutcases who spend half of their time complaining about women and the other half complaining about Jews.
Step 1: find hot mainstream topic
Step 2: say negative things about hot mainstream topic
Step 3: '''''profit'''''
Thank you, media haters, for realizing Big G is mainstream again. But no, Guinness World Record holder franchise Godzilla was never a problem in all his 70 years.
They turned Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR, Indiana Jones, Marvel, DC, & countless other legendary franchises into toxic dumpster fires, but this is Godzilla! The very definition of culture meeting history. Haters will always hate & Godzilla will always reign. 👍
The fact that he is the most versatile character ever lived. He can be a hero, a villain, anything can work. That is why he is the longest franchise ever lived.
@@nicolestimothy9921Yeah! He can be an allegory for the dangers of nuclear power, a force of nature that exists to maintain balance on the planet we call home, a Hero who inspires others to be strong, a villainous force of destruction, a being from another dimension that, like the Icon of Sin, gets stronger the longer it stays in our dimension, ETC. It’s one of the reasons I love Godzilla.
@@elvenbuttress thats the reason I love Godzilla more and more. The fact Godzilla just won the Oscars had boost his popularity back to the world. What a time to be alive!!!
"was never a problem in his 70 years" really? you can't think of a single issue godzilla and toho might have encountered? an issue that would lead to a decade long hiatus from the series that was originally planned as an *end* to the series?
@nicolestimothy9921 what version fits the icon of sin description?
I do not get their point of "Godzilla movies can't be taken seriously because outrageous events happen within them." Especially since they're also trying to talk up Minus One in the same breath.
They do realize that Minus One... also features a several story tall bulletproof lizard firing atomic lasers to destroy buildings? It's almost as if... suspension of disbelief is a thing that allows people to bridge the gap between being entertained by fantastical ideas and still learning grounded morales/lessons from them.
☝️YES! This is the point I was dying to make! THANK YOU!
I totally agree, Godzilla is an inherently outrageous entity.
I like Minus One more than the Monsterverse movies but at worst the Monsterverse is dumb fun.
@@joshuafischer684yes
@@joshuafischer684 In my opinion Godzilla x Kong is the peak of the monsterverse because it shamelessly focuses on the fun aspect while still delivering an emotionally investing and completely unrealistic story
Jesus Christ… have people just FORGOTTEN its okay to have fun????
Why are you complaining mate just let folks have their opinions and move on
I like to have fun with good movies.
@@kwayneboy1524I have an opinion shut the fuck up
I watch big monster destroy city
Me like
Jesus christ...have people just FORGOTTEN its ok to criticise media??
"legendary has no faith in its audience"
is that why they catered to the memes about godzilla and kong running and made the poster of the movie based on that scene?
I hate these kind of RUclipsrs. "Your movie has fantastic elements? Sorry, can't take you seriously. Your show has wacky ideas? Sorry, you are just attempting to make money and can't have any important ideas." Has the samenvibes as "fantasy isn't literature" and "animation is only for children"
Ah yes, Fritz the Cat is my favorite kid-friendly animated movie
I see the monsterverse films as upgraded showa films let them cook I like the serious godzilla but I also like the dumb,goffy one too.
Honestly, I find the monsterverse to be a mixture between the Heisei and Showa films. Which is great because those are my favorite eras.
They won't be Showa until the movies bomb both critically and financially to the point that they have to retire the character. Then it'll feel like Showa!
@@TheHorns1996 isn’t that just every Tokusatsu series tho? They end when they start making less money
@@mrgodzillaraptors8632 Well, they should avoid making the MV like the Showa Era so it can keep making more money
@@mrgodzillaraptors8632 nah it wont be a true love letter to the showa era until godzilla dropkicks shimo while he and kong double tag teams ghidorah
Nerdstalgic is a massive hypocrite and walking contradiction that clearly disregard the entire franchise as a whole, it's like they only saw 1954 and MINUS ONE and call it a day, it's such a shallow way of thinking as if GODZILLA can only go in one direction.
i mean SHOWA, HEISEI and MILLENNIUM where fun and campy but there's plenty of GODZILLA films that actually have meaning and thought put in to them
godzilla vs hedorah
GMK
GODZILLA'S revenge
godzilla vs BIOLANTE
godzilla vs king ghidorah
godzilla vs Destoroyah
i unsubscribe to that Nerdstalgic a long time ago for being a TREND CHASING CHANNEL.
Biolante needs to be brought into the legendaryverse. The first time around was ahead its time with Bio's practical affects and looks. Can only imagine what can be done today.
The only bad thing minus one did was bring in people who act like they now everything about godzilla
the only bad thing the monsterverse did was bring in a bunch of media-illiterate children who act like critiquing a movie means you hate it and who think they know everything about kaiju movies in general
@@ghost-iv8gt ironic coming from you
@@ghost-iv8gtMe reading your replies in other comments.
@@ghost-iv8gtirony
@@ghost-iv8gtdude you have no room to talk we've all seen your other comments
Are all Godzilla movies deep, dark and serious metamorphical dramas? No. Is it a problem, that many of them are dumb fun with just subtle subtextes? Nope, fun action movies are good too.
The worst thing about Godzilla Minus One...is the endless wannabe movie essay writers coming out of the woodworks trying to capitalize on the hype all trying to make views/subs/money. Dr. Skipper is the worst case because even when he acknowledges his screw ups, he still keeps that video up so he can keep making ad revenue.
Ever since Minus One came out we’ve had a slew of so called “experts” about Godzilla when in actuality they’ve either never seen more than a handful of movies or just straight up don’t like the franchise.
Yes, Minus One is a good movie. It doesn’t make the Monsterverse bad movies though. Godzilla has either been serious or goofy before, it’s just how the franchise has been.
Yeah, they only care because critics and the Oscars told them to. You could remove Godzilla from the movie entirely and that would be just fine by them. It's the elevated horror situation again, they want to take the franchise and conform it to their standards to make it "respectable".
People don't take into account the target audience especially in the first era. Post 1954 the movies got more family friendly and aimed at kids. The next era and millennia were more serious and were tantamount to a Marvel movie. Intense action but very little to give kids nightmares.
Then came Shin and Minus One. These are the studio going back their '54 roots. While '54 is oh so tame by future movie standards it was not a goofy family friendly movie either. These three are the movies that drive hard the point of man's sins(nuclear weoapons and pollution plus inept government for Shin) coming back to bite them hard.
I'm getting really sick of people trying to drag everything into their Star Wars/Marvel culture war, Puss in Boots: The Last Wish got the exact same treatment by video essayists as Godzilla Minus One last year. The fact all of these people barely do any research or none at all shows how much they see Godzilla and kaiju movies as being beneath them despite these same people misunderstanding them completely. The argument that the MV is soulless and only a money-grab is also ironic when many of these topical video essays are released to ride waves of clout and ad-revenue.
You know not everyone on RUclips has ads right
@@Izywik92 You know that people will seek clout regardless right? 99% of video essays are monetized anyway.
@@reiangossling6395 99%?! You really love to exaggerate, 50% seems like a fair number. Also for “clout” dude at least come up with a better and more original excuse, I know you’re trying very hard to protect you’re favorite franchise but c’mon man. I loved the MonsterVerse when it first started with 2014 and Kong Skull Island because they saved the Godzilla brand after the disaster that was 1998, the MonsterVerse used to have heart and thought put into it, I thought Godzilla was back to being good and the best he’s been since 1995, but then KOTM messed it up and here we are. The MonsterVerse is not all bad, it’s the recent entries that let me down.
@@Izywik92 Nah, KOTM was a great film. You're just pretentious.
@@ElvenRaptor Great film? yet had mixed reviews (rightfully) and was a box office disappointment
1998 was actually a really good box office success. The only "American" Godzilla film that didnt do that well was KOTM 2019 and it still didnt flop, it broke even and a little bit extra. Did better than Marvel films in recent years. Clearly people like it or at least enjoy it.
Actually it was a flop. And the reason it flopped was because of bad reviews (rightfully) and the release date
@Izywik92 that not how flops work lol if a movie made money in a profitable way it is not a flop.
@@Izywik92 I don't think you understand what a flop is lmao
@@cookiesnugglez7318 look it up
@@cookiesnugglez7318 what makes you think that?
The most serious and beloved Star Wars movie,The Empire Strikes Back, features a magical Buddhist muppet that talks backwards, a disco guy with a cape, a giant sock puppet in an asteroid, gurgling sheep dinosaurs and cheap-looking yetis, robots bickering with each other, a romance with 1st grade level dialogue, and our whiny protagonist losing a glowstick fight over a random bottomless pit. If you can't handle high concepts and weirdness in a sci-fi/fantasy film, that genre is not for you.
>Deeply compelling
>Ford Brody and his wife
Pick one
I don't feel that being overly reductionist about stuff is really contributing to the conversation.
@@joshuafischer684 The original video was ridiculously overly reductionist
@@joshuafischer684No he’s right. These video essayist care to much realism.
Nerdstalgic and other Minus One glazers reaction when minus one director confirms that all minus one sequels will be VS movies be like:
Wait, there is actually gonna be sequels?
@@celestialmailbox3622they hinted they be willing to continue Minus One instead of just redoing another one
@JohnWilliams-wl9px That honestly just made my day. Thanks for the info.
Ooh? Minus One Sequels will be VS movies? I would LOVE to see the Minus One counterparts of classical monsters.
Godzilla is such a complex character with so many iterations, saying all his movies except the first and minus one suck means you don’t understand Godzilla whatsoever. Godzilla can mean anything and be anything, that’s why he is still around.
Also fun fact, the director of minus one says he likes the monsterverse. End of discussion.
@TWDub Godzilla is at his best when he is portrayed as a malevolent, yet tragic monster who acts the way he does because he is legitimately hurt and lonely because of the bomb. He can have his moments where he saves the day, and he can have his moments where he is the bad guy. Both are acceptable, as long as that extra heartbreak is there.
@TWDub I see your point. I was just saying that this whole idea of “everything but the original is bad because it’s serious and the rest aren’t” is a pretty bad way at looking at a 70 year old franchise with about 40 films and a couple shows
Also the thing about the minus one director liking the monsterverse, you are completely correct, I don’t know what I was thinking when I said that
@@TheHorns1996that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. However I respectfully disagree, as I prefer Godzilla films where he’s fighting other monsters in an attempt to protect the balance of nature.
@@elvenbuttress The only movies where he's explicitly fighting to protect nature are in the Legendary movies, that's funny.
@@strateks9611I mean there is also the movie where he fights hedora, might be a technicality though but hedora was essentially a giant pollution blob
The Empire New proves that there's no problem with Godzilla, matter of fact:
Godzilla works everywhere
At least it ain’t doktor skipper.
I know, right? it was so annoying and such an attack on the community when a stranger on the internet said "hey man I prefer the more serious godzilla movies" yeah so glad we collectively got together to bully him
@ghost-iv8gt I wouldn’t say bully. We just called him out.
@@ghost-iv8gt He put a shit video on the internet, people called it shit. Criticism is not bullying. Some people probably took it too far I'll give you that.
@@Billybobjoe what was so shit about it? he doesn't like the same movie you do? grow up
@@ghost-iv8gtMany claims made in Dr. Skippers video were just outright wrong.
Like saying the original 1954 Godzilla‘s Copyright has lapsed. Or saying things about minus one, while showing scenes of Shin Godzilla, which is a film of which the existence is never aknowledged in the Video.
All of those things, show, that Dr Skipper never did even any basic research on godzilla and has no idea, what he is talking about.
This better blow up. It is criminally underrated
For real though, Emma Russell is a great character once one comprehends that she's a *villain* created by rationalizing her trauma through the lens of her training as a scientist AND that the movie tells the audience that she's come to the *wrong* conclusion AND that she realizes her mistakes and *personally sacrifices* in order to solve the problem she enabled.
With that rant over, I now commend you on your excellent rebuttal of Nerdstalgic!
Her redemption didn’t mean anything lmao
@@Izywik92 Why not?
@@nonamecommenter3005 logic: “I have caused millions of lives to be lost so in order to redeem myself I have to kms”
Plus, her plan was so unbelievably stupid that I didn’t even take her seriously at all 😂
@@Izywik92 So by "her redemption" you mean her corrective action? *I* didn't say the word *"redemption",* you did. I didn't say she undid the damage she caused, either.
My point is that Emma acknowledged her fault in causing an *ongoing* disaster and made the ultimate sacrifice to *end* it. You said it "didn't mean anything." Of course it did. Heading into the middle of the battle of Boston, repairing the Orca, and drawing Ghidorah's attention away from Godzilla, meant the difference between THE END OF THE WORLD and the ending we got. And her decision to stay behind in the city with the device instead of leaving in the osprey meant ensuring her own death so that everyone else aboard the craft could escape with their lives instead of risking them all at once.
Now you don't have to find her initial plan sensical, but my point was that there was a certain logic to it from the perspective of a scientist that studies the Titans, warped though it may be. Remember; Emma said her plan resulted from her trying to find meaning in the loss of her child's death and the conclusion she came to was that it was the collateral damage of a necessary process. She argues that if the Titans aren't allowed to roam free, that the planet will never regenerate fast enough to outpace the damage humanity is doing to it (humanity's own environment) and thus, *all life on earth,* which includes *every human,* will cease to exist. If you are detached enough to weigh outcomes by the overall numbers of lives lost (and she was), than anything less than ALL OF THEM is the clear choice.
A flaw in her plan, as pointed out by the major scientific players on the Argo, is that it has too many unknowns. Though once again, Emma doesn't believe there's enough *time* left to risk her worst case scenario from playing out before a better solution can be discovered, let alone implemented. Her logic is at least as sound as that of the MCU's Thanos, so if her plan is bad, then so is his, but the point in either case isn't that their plans are *good,* it's that they don't feel contrived within the narrative while driving conflict.
@@nonamecommenter3005 by teaming up with eco-terrorists who knew EXACTLY who Ghidorah was and capable of without getting suspicious and put her daughter in danger, sorry but that’s just stupid. On top of that, Michael Dougherty said he agreed with her!! How do you make someone worse than hitler and agree with her?! Even the actor who played Ren said in an interview that he thought Michael was insane for thinking that
Problem with Godzilla
1. WHERE THE FUCK IS MY BOY ANGUIRUS!?
2. Nothing.
he was in a cameo in king of the monsters (he was the skeleton that was in the underwater city before it was destroyed)
all these "critiques" of godzilla we've been seeing recently ALWAYS seem to forget about shin godzilla. praising minus one as a "RETURN TO FORM!!1!" when they literally produced one of the best godzilla films in 2016.
Everyone when 2014 came out: not enough godzilla!
People now: it’s just a cgi fest with too much monster!
Can’t win
most MV haters simply hate it because its CGI or because its not Japanese, they just come up with the biggest excuses to hate them
Toho Godzilla and MV Godzilla are both Godzilla, and I'm a man who enjoys himself some Godzilla.
You know ever since the recognition of Godzilla minus one and how great it was of a movie I feel like people try to put down the monster verse because he’s not up to par standers of being serious, but yet those people forget that Godzilla shouldn’t be tied down to one thing we have our serious Godzilla, we have our Godzilla, who is action pack, and we have other variants of Godzilla somebody else said it better than I did but at the end of the day it’s Godzilla and comparing minus one to GXK really it’s just headache because these are two different continuities with the same IP. Think someone else said without monster versus Godzilla. There wouldn’t be minus one because Godzilla IP was gonna be retired but since 2014 came out, it pushed Toho forward to continue Godzilla now we got shin Godzilla Godzilla earth, and Godzilla singular point. I won’t get into specifics about those animes, but anyhow and including - one, 2014, Godzilla gave new life, the IP and a franchise bringing something new anyhow, that’s all I have to say about Godzilla and for you MQC I’m gonna leave you with this MQC You ascend alongside with the light of the sun to guide you to your ambitions don’t let the chains of the night bind you down no matter what persevere to your goals. Have a nice day. Stay safe and enjoy life.
People allow indie shows, the mcu, star wars, and dc to be serious and comcial all the time
But when it's godzilla that does oh no no no we cant have godzilla do dropkicks and fight other kaiju, he gotta destory another city for the 70th time
can't believe media literacy is DEAD
Uhm ackshually, Gobzilda is a methawhore for slug addition and if you disagree with my oponion on this work of art you have no media literacy.
People are trying to put godzilla into this 'high-art' concept just because minus one, won an Oscar. They dont realize that only happened because Hollywood is absolute trash. I love godzilla, but to hear people talk about it like its been a long time coming is honestly embarrassing. Keep my godzilla out of your odorless fart filled rooms.
Especially consider Ishirō Honda himself made some of the goofy entries they're crapping on.
I felt so ungodly offended by Nerdstalgic's video in every way possible
Hot take. Gatekeeping a fandom can be a good thing, if we call out pretentious “purists” that only hopped on because it was fashionable. Godzilla doesn’t need any fake fans
Hard agree, we need to keep the posers out!
This is what gatekeeping is all about. Most people just mistake it for elitism.
Its Ironic. Both sides that are calling for gatekeeping are the very ones that need to be gatekept OUT.
You have the wokies who want to change everything like its the ship of thesius and not even have the balls to do something INTERESTING or good with those changes.
Then you have the dumbasses who want it to either be pure escapism or power fantasies (so Anime Fans if I wanted to piss off an entire community).
Nerdstalgic is just as much in need to be kept OUT of fandoms as left leaning hacks like Jim Sterling. Neither of them are good for the long term health of a fandom. And you wanna know why? Because both are hellbent on making it about the Culture War. Once something gets dragged into the Culture War by either political side, its gonna be fucked. Disney irreprably fucked Star Wars by calling all critics of the Sequel Trilogy Far-Right bigots.... which only enabled and platformed the REAL Far-Right bigots as they were looking for an audience, and those that Disney pissed off became that audience.
Agree, but some people think "Gatekeeping" shoukd just be keeping out people in general sadly
I am a simple man. I saw Minus One, Minus One had a good story, while still giving me Godzilla. Monsterverse gave me Godzilla, which while having a lower quality story, still gave me big lizard blowing stuff up. I like both, one for story, the other for uproarious fun.
>thinks pink spined godzilla and robot glove kong are absurd and therefore bad
>also thinks a dinosaur mutated by an h-bomb that regenerates like fucking wolverine is deep
both concepts are equally as insane but apparently one is better than the other
That's a really bad argument, unless you believe the latest Legendary movie is as profound as Minus One you're just avoiding the point TRYING to be made (cuz it's still a bad point to make).
What movie with a dinosaur that regenerates comes from?
Also the family drama wasn’t just drama. It literally ties in into the titans! The drama makes since became Emma and mark literally worked for monarch but her obsession with the titans and controlling them is what caused her to cause the drama of the family. Also just in general, SHE LITERALLY WAS TRYING TO DEFEND WIPING OUT MOST OF HUMANITY BECAUSE THE TITANS NEED TO REDO THE EARTH.
You can like Minus one, and you can like the Monster Verse, you can do both.
The sheer irony of Nerdstalgic’s claim that the Legendary Monsterverse movies are just cash grabs and nefarious money making schemes with no thought or care put into them, meanwhile Nerdstalgic makes a quick, thoughtless review to capitalise on the current trend and hype of GXK New Empire just so he can submit to YT’s corporate algorithm and ad revenue. Film criticism is dead.
I guess not everyone is as deeply invested as we are, fans of godzilla franchise, therefore making them glossed over the finer details of the franchise.
I am not a godzilla connoisseur by any means, the only movies i have watched are the monsterverse movies, minus one, 1998, and the millenium era movies, but i still love the godzilla franchise. I love it for what it is, great monster designs and fun action. I feel like you don't need to be so invested in a franchise to like movies that came out of it.
On the other hand, if you want to make an analysis on a franchise, then you have to get deeper, you have to invest, you have to research. Without it, then it just gonna end up baseless and even insulting to the fans.
I'd like to point out that Nerdstalgic (and many other channels like him) made their careers by pretty much milking the MCU, so any criticism towards the Monsterverse's pacing, over the top concepts or value it's completely hypocrite from their part and should not be taken into account.
Is bro actually yapping? The monsterverse is doing just fine, and I would say much better than the other cinematic universe also made now.
*ANY GODZILLA IS VALID.*
Amen brother
98 zilla is fine if he isn't called godzilla but something else
Yet another person who saw Minus One and thought they knew everything............
AND I THOUGHT THE WORST GODZILLA COMPLAINTS WERE THAT THE GODZILLA MOVIES WHERE JUST POORLY WRITTEN MOVIES WITH GUYS IN RUBBER SUITS
The problem with Godzeller is for as good as they are; they never explained why he had the hots for that one girl the time he fought a lobster in brown ketchup and why he thinks he’s got a chance with her. Is there in lore reason for why? Is he stupid?
Because that movie was originally meant to be a King Kong movie, but because Toho let the rights expire, they inserted Godzilla into Kong's role.
@@MrAwsomeness360 No Toho's rights didnt expire in 1966, in fact they literally made a King Kong movie the next year. The reason Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster is a Godzilla movie instead of a Kong movie is because it was supposed to tie into the Rankin Bass TV show. But Rankin Bass didn't like the script. They swapped Kong with Godzilla then made King Kong Escapes in 1967.
Because she was played by Kumi Mizuno, 'nuff said. Can hardly blame the lad for being horny on main.
r/suddenlyarkham
@@MrAwsomeness360 okay but now i wanna see Godzilla climb the empire state building
I go to a Godzilla movie to see Godzilla. The one thing the Monsterverse does better than Minus One is that it focuses on Godzilla. When he's not on screen, every character in the movie is still talking about him, to some extent. His presence is felt throughout.
The MV KoTM despite having a terrible antagonist was extremely enjoyable. The amount of nods and references to older Godzilla films are plentiful, they even used the OG goji theme and his OG roar. They did an excellent job modernizing all the monsters from the toho films. Rodans awakening to when the alpha call was made was absolutely peak kaiju cinema. To say that movie was just a cash grab is an olympic stretch, there was so much soul in there. I also enjoyed Skull Island and GvK they were both good films. Minus one was a blessing and a curse lol
What i love about Legendary Godzilla, is that it requires TOHO's approval
Why does every one of these pretentious anti-Godzilla essays seem to think that Godzilla is only relevant in Japan and the US? Do they think Europe, India and Africa don’t get any cultural impact on films? Do they think those countries don’t exist? Such blind, bias patriotism. Godzilla has had much of an impact on the world.
Recently I've seen more people hating on May. And I think Emma was fine. It shows how dangerous grief can be when you're not thinking straight, and also gives her a worthy sacrifice.
I love how people compare the different Godzilla interpretations like they're competing against one another when in actuality, they offer different interpretations for different people to enjoy
I'm tired of people saying the Showa Era is trash just because of the atmosphere of it! UHGGHGHGH!!!!
many Showa films are pretty bad (but in a good way)
@@tarzantabi7845ON GOD
It doesnt matter what the opinion of the video in question is. GxK is laughing all the way to the bank. Audiences love the MV the way it is. It doesnt need to be deeper.
My man's just doesn't like giant monsters bashing it out. Every single movie doesn't need to be a serious parallel of real life problems.
My first Godzilla was the 1998 adaptation when i was a kid, and I absolutely loved it. When the 2014 adaptation came around, it confused me a bit simply because I wasn't aware of the original movie and its sequels, and so I started doing research and my love for Big G and the franchise as a whole was forever solidified.
No matter what take of Big G we get, I'm always gonna be there because the world of the Godzilla mythos is sooo massive and amazing.
Glad to see that the 1998 film started you on the path to being a fan of the Big G. It isn't a perfect film, but both it and the animated series that was the sequel to the film introduced new fans to Godzilla--like you.
The more Godzilla fans we have, the better!
Yeah that was my kick start introduce to Godzilla. Whem 2014 came in, I started to learn about Godzilla and look up the old ones and I respect it all even the OG "54 grandpa Goji and few bit with 1998 Zilla.
The real problem with Godzilla is the fanbase
(In which I’m talking about the toxic fans)
Fr, no one hates a franchise/movie more than its own fanbase
Where?
@@edorasmarauder5761 look harder
Man. These people think that Godzilla should be this a metaphor for nuclear war and only that. They don’t have the same attachment to Godzilla as we do. They just wants clicks and clicks on their videos. I love Godzilla as a guardian of planet earth and it’s inhabitants. And you love for that or the others. I don’t know what to say anymore but keep moving forward man. Go strong.
This is a stupid dichotomy. It isn't serious vs action, even comoared to the sillier showa movies monsterverse sucks ass. Shit fight choreography, shit creature design, shit characters, shit humor, ect.
@@hyperboliccancers3269 Prove it.
Uhhhh wrong channel to add.
@@ElvenRaptorYOU prove it doesn’t.
My problem with godzilla is he hasnt properly met gamera
preview.redd.it/gamera-vs-godzilla-for-godzilla-battleline-v0-juf3t20ymmlb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d331287a4b61442e098bf73894dbf37f74110da2
Sadly if they made a vs movie with a real winner one would lose too much money
Well, that's not gonna happen. The studio that created Gamera once asked Toho if they could do a collaboration once, and Toho said no. This was years ago though, so I don't know if sentiments have changed.
I have faith in Toho and Legendary to bring entertaining monster movies to the silver screen then into my collection.
Problems with Godzilla
-need more MG screen time
-need more gigan
-need gamera in Monsterverse.
-Thats it, cheers and have fun.
Also quick fact, pink is a clever color for a form with higher radiation, as purple and pink reach the highest of the visble light energy scale, and as purple is Shin's color pink was a good way to show Godzilla's growth in power while give him his own identity.
I don’t really have much hope for Gamera showing up in the Monsterverse.
@@edorasmarauder5761 Yeah I'm not expecting it, but is would be awesome if it did happen.
Dude… not the fandom to piss off with inaccuracies & biases
STRONGEST GROUPS to not mess with
Godzilla
Lord of the Rings
warhammer 40k
And commentary channels with egos and boring ass voices try going against the godzilla fanbase yet get torn apart
People outside the franchise forcing their way in just to tell us as fans that everything we have enjoyed so far is wrong, awfull and childish, just to tell us that their vision of the franchise is better and that things should be as they want in order to improve a franchise and a character they don't know anything about in the first place. The same problem that happened with Star Wars back in 2013 tbh, but Lucky for us all of this pretentious critiques live only on the depths of RUclips and don't own the IP.
When making an argument, you need to make 1. A Clear Point, 2. Provide Evidence, 3. Explain and build upon the evidence, and 4. Connect back to your point (resolution). It's known as the PEExR writing system, and I think these mindless video essay creators could use it.
What’s especially hilarious is that Nerdstaligic claimed that GxK was just a dumb action flick before it was released, because we have gotten much more, including Adam Wingard’s approach to it. Wingard stated that Skar King represents the worst aspects of mankind (and we can infer Skar King’s treatment of Shimo represent animal abuse and exploitation of nature), whereas Kong represents mankind’s best aspects. Godzilla once more represents nature.
Godzilla minus one is just as dark as the original 54 gojira yet cranked up to 100
I'd say the 1954 film is still darker because Minus One while still a dark film does have its moments of brevity and it's actually much more uplifting than people give credit for.
I think the reason Minus One has so many rabid fans is because it stands head and shoulders above nearly every movie that came out in 2023. Bigger than the Monsterverse, 2023 was not a great year for film. Yes, Oppenheimer was incredible, but the rest of the film landscape was mostly mediocre. And then Minus One shows up being as good as it is almost unannounced.
And don't forget that there are a lot of people who dislike modern Hollywood trends. Regardless of the way you might feel about it, there are people who see things they dislike in Hollywood and this movie is absolutely devoid of those things.
nah I disagree, Minus one is dark but it has a pretty uplifting ending, compared to 1954 where the ending is pretty dam sad (because Japan is now forced to survive in a ocean that is now a radioactive wasteland, which means that their main source of income is now gone)
Keep gatekeeping, godzilla community. Stand firm.
you can't just have a dumb fun movie, everything needs to be a Shakespear experience
The Reveiw's Complain About The Monsterverse But... The Creator Likes The Monsterverse Which Led Him Into Making Minus One I'm Pretty Sure So...
Source: op's ass
@@hyperboliccancers3269 ""The Hollywood interpretation of Godzilla is a very interesting use of the IP. It can endure and survive many different interpretations. To me, it's a more fun version of what Godzilla can be - the classic Toho version did explore something like that at one point in its history. Within that genre, I think they do a good job of [balancing] what the humans do, versus what the kaiju are doing." -Takashi Yamazaki
This quote is readily available and has been floating around the web for a while now.
@@ElvenRaptor What part of that "led him to make minus one"? Yes it's known he likes monsterverse, guess what? That doesn't mean monster verse is good lol. Even assuming minus one is a masterpiece (it isn't lmao) the fundamental argument is profoundly stupid and would only appeal to the most basal of simpletons. Just because someone is able to produce good art doesn't mean they have good taste, and this isn't even the case here and on top of that there's a clear career incentive to make positive remarks about people you'd potentially want to work with in the future. It's all just sooo dumb.
@@hyperboliccancers3269 And what makes you the one who gets to decide what is and isn't good art, exactly?
@@ElvenRaptor Because I'm right. And that is no argument of authority but verifiably evident. .
I like how the director of Minus one also calls Godzilla 98 a Godzilla. And not the brain dead take of zilla or gino
zilla is a cool design, just not for godzilla, he is a lot better when viewed as his own thing.
Yeah I hate the "Transformers" comparison with the MonsterVerse because the MonsterVerse for their faults have heart and passion behind them despite not as ambitious as "Godzilla Minus One" and the monsters are either the main character of the film or have enough presence within the story in ways the Transformers always felt shafted in their own films.
AVGN perfectly described Godzilla franchise in one way:
“Monsters beating the hell out of each other and blowing the fuck out of everything in sight.”
Whether it’s Toho, Tristar, or Legendary, Godzilla never changes. He will always be the King of the Monsters. Toho created the monster and brought about different messages, Tristar revamped the franchise with their film and animated series; which in my book is a true tribute to Godzilla, and Legendary turned Godzilla into a defender of earth who helps keep the balance and kill bad Kaiju. No matter which version we get, it’s all the same. Godzilla smashing shit up, killing monsters, and sending a message to us as an audience. Godzilla to me is the unstoppable immortal franchise.
What really annoys me is how those same “fans” really love to ignore what really made the MonsterVerse truly special…it’s very unlikely rise to this level.
Pre-2014, NOBODY would have ever guessed a Godzilla led film series would become possibly the second most successful shared universe behind the MCU. Considering how the DCEU was expected to compete with Marvel but fizzled out fast. So many failed shared universes over a decade….yet the MonsterVerse is still standing.
It makes me sad how almost nobody ever brings this up. Instead it’s the same old “these are just DUMB movies” or “Minus One is the only good G film.”
As a Godzilla fan for over 36 years, I’ll will be forever grateful for to Legendary for the MonsterVerse.
I’m thankful for Minus One as well.
Finally. This video needs more views
So many of these essays come off like their creators just found out about Godzilla yesterday, and are trying to pretend they always liked the films, acting like they know more about them than they really do.
This has been my problem with Minus One ever since it came out. yeah, it's a good Godzilla movie, but the best one that has ever been made? very debatable, especially since it has so many similarities with Shin Godzilla. if anything, Toho has made the same movie twice in the past decade. heck, I saw so many comments of people saying they're tired of always seeing Godzilla fight another monster, but when the sequel to Minus One was announced saying that Godzilla would be fighting another monster in this film, those same people were jumping for joy. they can't decide which side of the fence they are on.
MV Godzilla is trying new things and clever ideas. The Hollow Earth, the nuclear tests in the pacific were actually attempts at killing monsters, the war between Kongs and Godzillas, famous monsters from ancient mythos were real like Ghidora being the Hydra and the new monster Scylla, giving all the monsters their own unique personalities like having Rodan his own version of StarScream, and of course... Doug. saying the MV has always been trash is ignoring all of this.
I'm not going to fully defend MV. I can't recall a single human character by name. it doesn't have the best writing when it comes to human characters. but the MV is bad as a whole and always has been? that is far from true.
I love how some people seem to think that a good Godzilla film must have a strong message and use that to claim monsterverse is bad. They never actually explain why a Gozilla movie can't be a goofy fun fest, the character has done that for decades and it clearly works. Arguably Godzilla's greatest strength is how versitile a character he is, hero or villian, goofy or serious, action, drama, horror and whatever else he's done it all.
Honestly i just see the monsterverse as a win-win for both Godzilla fans
Toho gets to keep making their godzilla films (hopefully there's gonna be another era of films like heisei or showa and not just many one off godzilla films)
while America gets to keep their version of godzilla which i love because they're making Kaiju movies fun and it's exciting to see what toho monster gets adapted next or what new ones arrive for kong!
it's like the MCU but it's kinda consistent?? I wanna say? it's the only Cinematic Universe untainted by like 'oooh multiverse!!' which don't get me wrong, IS cool if done right like Spiderverse/No way home
There is no problems, its just opinions
Welcome to another episode of Actual Godzilla fans completely debunking Normies garbage takes
Good video dawg 👍
I don’t get it why Nerdstalgic has such a weird memory of the 2014 Godzilla movie. EVERYONE was making fun of it because Godzilla was chonky and he’s only in 15 minutes of the film. I know cuz I was in high school and how disappointed we all were. Find any review from 10 years ago taking about it and the consequences was the movie kept cock-blocking the audience. Of course Legendary changed direction. We asked for less humans and more monster.
Plus, now we get thoughtful science fiction Japanese film and very VERY fun science fiction action films. That’s a 200% increase of the thing I like and I get to enjoy both. Gatekeeping showa era fans and monster verse newcomers like this is bs.
It’s like when the dark knight trilogy had a stranglehold on Batman and decided he needed to miserable for 20 years.
Also, pink Godzilla is awesome, you know they’re fake fans because they wouldn’t criticize pink if they actual saw Shin Godzilla, ya know, the film that brought Godzilla back to it’s serious roots of horror. Also I thought we were decades past the “pink is gay” era of humanity.
Most of the godzilla movies have lessons to learn or mesaages to share. For example in Tokyo s.o.s its message was to not mess with the dead. At 15:44 what is nerd talking about....People dont care much about the humans they are more of a side story and they did try to make characters to relate and no one talks about them afterall most of us just want to see the king of monsters do what he does best...being the King of monsters
I appreciate someone defending the MV cos it gets a lot of slack from minus one fan boys. (Haven't watched the movie myself)
These are the same people who used to be hardcore defenders of infinity war and endgame and talked about how it was so much better than Star Wars, but the MOMENT Martin Scorsese said that they weren't real cinema and RLM said that they were right and only manchildren were upset at him, they INSTANTLY turned on the MCU and said it was all bottom of the bin (I mean to be fair, the new wave 4 movies do seem pretty bad outside of the handful of good ones, but still).
Also, saying that the creators don't care about or listen to the audience is bull crap. Godzilla 2014 was lighting wise way too dark a film, it also had a combined total of 10 ish minutes of Godzilla screentime, since then, fans have rightfully complained about this issues and since then, directors like Adam Wingard have intentionally tried to fix. Every movie since 2014 has been steadily improving, from the lighting all the way to the monster scenes.
In the grand scheme of things, there is nothing truly wrong with the monster verse, so stop acting like there is. Just enjoy the films like how they're supposed to be, and all will be good once again
For the Monsterverse films, there are a lot of takes you can make with it. That they're more "braindead" than god tier written films, that they're just "popcorn flicks," that they don't have as powerful of a message as X Y and Z, etc. You know, _completely subjective takes._
But when you say that the Monsterverse is "a series of films that everyone is collectively shocked is still going," you've made an objectively incorrect take. That's a "I wasn't on the internet at all between the first Godzilla vs Kong trailers being released and several months after the movies were released" level take. I really liked the movies, but I barely watched _any_ videos about them on RUclips. Yet I still got _bombarded_ by videos about them up until now (which is how I'm here). If you watch any video involving a modicum of hyping up any character, you will see footage from the Monsterverse pretty often. You watch any video of any paleo media, and you'll see Monsterverse footage sprinkled in every now and then. You watch any video discussing any action game, and you'll come across Monsterverse footage more often than you'd think. I'm genuinely curious about who's shocked the Monsterverse is still going. That's like being shocked the MCU was still going post-Civil War.
I'm not to into the Godzilla films, but I feel like part of the franchises charm is how it mixes "serious" and "silly" elements.
Nice video: is our lovable lizard always have perfect masterpiece? Pfft no. Do I still love him and think he one of the greatest movie icon of all time and all his movies are great? Hell yeah! 😆
This was a pretty good response to that vid man, and I nearly agreed with everything you said.
The only things I don't agree with you on is what you said about Emma Russell, and the Jurassic World Movies/Mario Movie not having good stories.
I actually liked how Emma was portrayed for the most part. I think her character deserves more credit tbh. However, it's no secret that she's widely hated by fans and casuals alike. That's why I criticised Nerdstalgics for showing her as a good example of a human character.
As for Jurassic world, and the Mario movie... Yep they suck lmao. Well, imo at least. I get why people enjoy em, but they're not for me.
@@maximumqualitycontent3921 It's nice to hear you say that about Emma, since I feel she gets WAY to much hate for. (Which I don't fully understand why people still hate on her even now, since she died in the end anyways... So... 🤷🏻♂ )
I do have something to say about what you said about the JW Movies & Mario Movie. Because when it comes to the JW Movies, they actually do a pretty good job at furthering on the lore and world of the JP Franchise. Especially since Dominion. (See FilmSpeak's vid on Dominion for a good example.)
And as for the Mario Movie, I'll admit that the story was very simple, Mario has kinda always been very simple when it comes to storytelling in general, outside of the RPG's. So I wasn't expecting it to be THAT DEEP in terms of storytelling. Plus, a simple story isn't automatically a bad, and as a general fan of Mario, I enjoyed it a lot.
But at the end of the day, this is all just my opinion.
I love the monster verse Godzilla but I also enjoy the old style Godzilla that terrorizes Japan
So we should just stop comparing these two and just enjoy them for what they are
Maybe young Americans weren't very familiar but I grew up with the Japanese films on TV all the time. We use the name all the time to mean a big thing. There a stupid reality show called Bride-zilla. The Monster-verse is fun if not deep. Minus One & Shin Godzilla were much more thoughtful for kaiju films. We can have & enjoy both.
monsterverse: Literally the reason godzilla is still a relevant IP.
Random godzilla fans or people outside the fandom: the monsterverse sucks
The fact ita called "The Monsterverse" where monsters like Godzilla, Kong, Mechagodzilla and many are the characters. What these "fans" expect? Like the MCU or deep message?