Adapt Brand Controversy - Two More Former Riders Speak Out
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Following Levi van Rijn's accusations on Jump Street Podcast that Adapt Brand owner Pieter Wijnant physically threatened him when he quit, and Adapt's response to the claim on Brandon Drummond's channel, two former riders have come forward to support Levi, refute some of the claims made by Pieter and share their own experiences of what they believe was abusive and aggressive behaviour on behalf of the skate company owner. One former rider claims that other skaters have had issues with Pieter in the past. It also appears that Cavin Brinkman left the brand this year on bad terms and was subsequently uncredited for filming Adrian Deck's pro skate promo.
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Very well presented story. Thanks for the context! Yes, that letter Pieter wrote re Levi totally change my mind about staying quiet.
No wonder! Glad you came through and helped shed some more light into this as it is important that people with more reach share their experience so more people will know!
Thank you for having courage to speak up!
Thank you for your testimony and the way you spoke about everything. Huge respect for you ❤️
Likewise mate… I hadn’t ever said anything negative about them publicly and wasn’t planning on it. Until I saw the statement. There comes a point where you feel the need to speak up about it. Hopefully he learns his lesson
@Bill thanks for coming through and talking about you experience. It clearing had an effect on you. You are a skate legend.
Man, Bill seems shaken. Sucks he and the other guys had to go through this. Sucks that Pieter is a dick, hope he can change. The idea behind adapt is pretty cool. But im afraid he will just see the world against him and possibly victimize himself. Anyway, some people are criticizing the drama reports, but i think its a good thing. The industry is progressing. Riders have been treated badly for long enough. Calling it out and thus damaging a brands reputation sends a sign that you cant do shit like that anymore and just get away with it without consequence. Thanks for bringing out both of these statements for us to hear! I gave Pieter the benefit of the doubt before, but this is the nail in the coffin. Hopefully not just for me. Cheers!
IKR
Lmao he is not shaken by that rich asshole, look how ripped Bill is man, if anything hes more upset of the fact that he has to be a chatty patty about it but it has to be spoken about it since adapt is so expensive….
We should all want the community to grow, emotionally and physically. Violence is not acceptable. Threats are not acceptable. Can we forgive? Sure, but steps need to be taken to right the wrong actions. Whatever that takes, it's up to the parties involved, not the court of public opinion. We should completely rally around anyone who has been unjustly treated and support them. This stuff needs to come to light so the victims can heal, and possibly even the aggressor. I hope we can all be adults about this, and seeing the response, I'm pretty confident we can help each other move forward. Personally, I cannot continue to support Adapt after all of these testimonies. They will need to begin grand gestures towards those they've wronged for me to turn an eye to them again. I love this community, lets keep it alive and healthy for the next generations to enjoy
Wow. Bill’s testimony is seriously eye opening. I was saving up for a set of custom Brutales and now….I think I’ll stick with Powerslide products. They LOVE their skaters
It got nothing to do with the quality of their products.
Yea, as someone who skated them for several years. Save your cash and get something that works.. hopefully supporting better deals for riders in the process 👌
@@Beastys Being a small company that hand creates specialty equipment, their personality quite literally has an effect on the outcome of the product and the sponsorship opportunities. Trying to separate the 2 doesn't make sense, you are directly supporting this behavior by purchasing from Adapt. They should either treat their riders with respect or fuck off.
Powerslide boots are really good. It's hard for me to imagine something of a better quality. I have Adapt skates. Not even close.
Well done on the video. Really well put together.
Very eye-opening information.
Especially admire Stoppard’s section - very well articulated.
I agree, Stoppard remained professional while also bringing to light the issues. I’ve never owned adapt skates and at this point I will not
They're absolutely shocking to deal with as a customer aswell. I sent them my measurements and I usually skate a Size 9 in everything. I'd tried on a friends size 9 adapts they fit me perfectly, they said "no you get a size 8, trust us that's right" I told them they won't fit, they still made them and sent as a size 8, I sold them after 2/3 sessions.
how about downsizing Brandon Drummond from size 10 to 7?? lol. Dude had to buy xtra large peanut butter jars to try and expand the skate lmfao. "Trust us."
@@JustAnotherBlader didn't know about that one, yeah they hit me with the "trust us" too, was mostly Olga being pushy "we know how our skates fit" yeah but you don't know my feet regardless of measurements.
Also didn't they give bill stoppard his pro skate or sponsorship or whatever it was after a pair of his GTO's broke almost immediately.
There's also a youtube vid from a guy complaining about materials being crap on older ones that got flagged and taken down because Pieter can't take criticism either.
Even in other interviews I've seen of him, he definitely has the Dunning-Kruger effect, ego and mentality way beyond his ability.
@@JustAnotherBlader just send them back at that point. i mean its their fault
Sad to hear you had this experience. Just to play "the devil's advocate" here: I had a pretty good experience with them and was also really scared they were way too small but I had a pretty helpful conversation about it / made pictures etc. When I tried them for the first time, I thought they were too small because my toes were so close to the front. After some sessions (probably a bit more than 3 though), and later heat moulding, I completely got used to it though and now I'm very happy I chose that size (which is also the "correct" size given the length of my feet but I just wasn't used to it). So maybe they've had occasions in the past where people actually bought them too big and this is where they're coming from. Or at least I hope for them that's the case, in terms of doing business it wouldn't make sense at all to sell somebody the wrong size..
@@BigNoiseyBoi "There's also a youtube vid from a guy complaining about materials being crap on older ones that got flagged and taken down because Pieter can't take criticism either."
To be fair, this is stuff that could do a lot of damage to your company. Heavily depending on the whole story behind it (which I'm not aware of), but in certain cases I can understand such sentiments. So I'm always very conservative with my own judgments with these things, although I can definitely understand the decisions Bill Stoppard and other people involved took here and I hope the Adapt people will take it as a lesson.
I think levi distancing himself from a self proclaimed violent person is always the move
People forgot Mike Lilly was on adapt... then went back to cults. That is all I needed to see. For the price... I didn't see the purpose of adapt.
As the part of an active skate community of Brighton, I give solidarity to Bill and all the others who became the victims of a bully. I feel really sorry for you guys. I just wanted to say that, we are all with you. Please give it a second thought if you are using the brand.
Wow, support from Brighton! Your skate scene inspires me immensely; so hospitable and encouraging. Thank you!!
@@BillStoppard Bill your international bro if you ever wanna hit the skate park man I’ll throw flatspind all day on your channel switch flatspins even you got so many viewers 🙏we’re in the same city too I took a hiatus off skating when I have my kid and also when I am close family member had died . TMI…I went all in the couple weeks ago up in Zurich Ontario phenomenal skate park
Wow bill is shook by this I can totally understand the frustration when you have to bite your tongue to not lose your own personal morals to talk about someone who has none.
Good video. Cant wait till every story is out. Cause there are more people..
Great video, really good to hear the perspective from other team riders.
As we get older as an industry this seems to be such a massive issue. You hear stuff about all the brands and I commend the professionalism of some our greatest pros, am, and flow riders for dealing with this for so long. But being quiet doesn't help our industry. I can also get the argument of niche buisness vs the easy going culture we have. We gotta put our dollars behind the companies that do it right. I'd love for there to be a anonymous survey for sponsored pros/riders to rate the companies they ride for. I'd love to see who does it right, wrong, and in between. I would like to put my dollars behind those doing it right to create better standards in our industry. Just a thought.
That would be a very interesting survey indeed. It seems things are slowly changing for the better which is great. But still a long way to go. Hopefully people learn from past mistakes and make better moves in the future.
There aren't enough pro skaters for such a survey to be anonymous. I think pro skaters just need to come out and tell of their experiences, both positive and negative.
I personally know a few people who are sponsored by Powerslide,Rollerblade and K2, and they all have only good things to say about how they are treated. It really goes a long way.
Well said. Lets back the people who will help the longevity of the sport by being inclusive instead of backing the ones who will force people out due to hatred or threats.
Welp, adapt skates were on my wish list. Time to take them off.
Would like to add that Pieter is a Master. I’ve seen him at work, skated together and had some interesting conversations. He is a Genius when it comes to boot making. He made for me several boots and modifications that no brand and no one in the industry can provide.
That’s Part one.
Part two is, Bill is also a Master. I mean, show me one Skater out there that skate on these Adapt boots like that.
Bill & Adapt are a deadly weapon. I was very sad to find out they went apart. Two beautiful talents.
I truly appreciate this! Very nice that you can respect others for what they are. Thanks so much for your awesome support and passion for the community!
You’re more than welcome Bill. I wish you well. Take care.
pretty surprised about the negativity in the comments. Nothing wrong with hearing multiple sides of the story. If you don't want to hear it, don't watch.
Maybe it's just my triggered milennial ass but I will never buy a product from a company that I know treats their riders like shit.
You aren't triggered, you are applying your morals to a purchasing decision. We need more people like you. We should not support businesses that act like this. Full stop
I see a picture of Dan Collins so hoping we get to hear what he say's. I know when the "Levi" skate dropped it was after Dan left Adapt and he made some comments on the pictures along the lines of "come on you didn't even change the colour" which to me hints that the Levi boot was originally going to be a pro boot for Dan first and all they did was change the logo to one for Levi. Also interested to hear what Mr "Pinto Pony" Bill Stopaard has to say.
Kinda makes sense if they already bought the leather🤷♂️
when the happy go luck rec skater blows his top on you ... i hope he gets the help he needs
@@skatingwillem of course, if they already bought the material they should use it… the point was more that in his statement peitr made out like it was his plan all along to give the skate to Levi and a lot of time and planning went into it to help Levi out. Trying to paint himself as a saint instead of just owning up to his mistake.
Razors now adapt jeez
I've seen adat skate felt like they might be a good fit for considering the price of the skates are high I been saving to get them.. saving mentally like hmmm do I want to spend the money?! type of saving u feel me. But all this bad pr is insane. I dnt buy razors do to the fact that their royalties aren't that great for the skaters.
Probably, Pieter just wrote Levi: "break a leg!", which is a theatrical slang for "good luck!" showing how honoured he was to work with him and eventually part their ways.
No.
🤣
Hahahah!!
The hat it's a Graduation Hat!!!
We have case of one skater in the group who bought Adapt GTO, posted a video about the poor manufacturing and quality control on one pair of skates and Pieter Wijnant tried to bully, gaslight him and have him removing the video.
The video is still available. Keywords: "Garbage Adapt Brand GTO" and shows air pockets and no glue on some parts of the skates.
This man who bought thé GTO Made à mistake. It was not thé fault of Adapt. That's intox against Adapt. Lies
@@ladesneffous-vc2yx The skate was porly manufactured.
The store recognized the problem.
there is a video of the boots.
You know nothing and have no evidence.
@@CanadaBladers no it's wrong. Adapt didn't recognize this, it's à lie. Adapt makes à Very high quality skates and very serious manufacturéd. Say bad things about Adapt manufacture is totaly wrong.
@@ladesneffous-vc2yx The store the sold it recognized the problem
There are more skaters with similar problems.
However, one defective unit does not mean that all boots are bad.
Mistakes happen in every industry, most manufacturers do recalls.
Adapt of course, never recognizes any mistake.
Your future conjecture and poor elegance in addressing this matter further more will be ignored.
@@CanadaBladers the truth about this case is that the store in question put the boots in the oven at over 100°C to thermoform the liners. however, this is a handling error because you must not exceed 100°C for this operation. when you exceed 100°C the glue peels off, so the leather peels off the carbon boot, it is intended for dismantling and repairing or renovating the skates. then we put everything back together. So you can see that I know exactly what I'm talking about. you criticize Adapt, it's unjustified petty gossip.
Just seen the video today. This is text book narcissist behavior from the adapt owner. They “lure” you seemingly as a very nice person and as the relationship progresses their true self appears more and more. Looking at Bill S and the things he mentions really says it all.
No doubt a nice skate made with passion but thats about it.
Its been over a year and people still ignore the abuse and arrogance from Adapt, I don't understand. Is everyone just chosing to forget it? Why are people still supporting this brand. I have dealt with abuse for 4 years of my life, its a path I will never ever let myself get down again, and to think this shit is just being looked over. It ruined my life and my choices/actions. It makes me sick.
The end of Adapt era
Very good one. Thanks :)
Hes significantly smaller than levi too 😄
Note that the hat Levi stole is a hat that cost 13-40$ (depending on the details of the hat) that people buy to signify that they are done with college. It is not anything special in general.
Not quite college, more like high school or something in between.
But you're right, I probably wouldn't have cared too much if I'd lost mine. I know a bunch of people who lost theirs during the "student week".
Whenever you do any business with anyone, always save every conversation, every email, just about every exchange you ever have with your business partner. And as soon as there is a disagreement where you have a weird feeling about the business partner's intentions, get a lawyer involved. I can't even tell you how many narcissists and psychopaths are out there and some of you have never dealt with one before and let me tell you, once you had to deal with one you will feel like shit, like you are the bad one. It drains your energy and life out of you.
Scotland forever Bro. Thanks for what you do!
Whatever thoughts you might have Im not sure why people cant admit they are wrong and might be struggling and need help. Honestly an old school serious apologize might be a catalyst for change. Adapt skates seem really cool.
I thought Brandon Drummond had the exclusive rights to this story?
Haha, exclusive... Rights...
I think Brandon mostly had exclusive rights to the email response specifically. Not sure how the story could be contained to one channel. I know Tom Moyse has covered it too
I think it was kind of wierd for Pieter to offer exclusive rights to someone..? Like, this is rollerblading. This isn't some crazy global story that is breaking.
To clarify. Pieter said I had exclusive rights to his response on the Levi situation. Meaning, he isn't going to tell anyone else his side if they asked. Not that no one else can talk about it.
This should tell you a lot about Pietr’s opinion of himself
Excellent vid 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Really need another company to create custom sized skates like Adapt, I've been through most other brands trying to find something that fits my really wide feet but nothing worked. I hate that I've given them money, but love being able to skate comfortably. I wish I had other options, well apart from hockey skates but then I don't have access to all the frames available.
I have wide feet and the liner is definitely the most important factor. There are several skates I’ve tried that the stock liner was unbearable but the Intuition V2 made it feel like a different skate
Second this! The are the only company right now that offers a high performance boot with custom width.
Fuck liners. I want a boot made with an extra wide last.
A liner with a size up just ain't going to pass muster and give the performance im after with a eu9 size and 120mm wide hobbit feet.
My only option is surgery and a long recovery.
Stealing a hat is still a criminal offense... Signatures or no signatures. That is not a minor thing.
Dont worry about Adapt, be worry about you
The London terror attacks were in 2007. Dan Collins' welcome to Adapt was in 2014. Adapt were born in 2011. Seems a bit suss as that being the reason he passed out fully clothed on the couch...
Clearly some personal growth needed within this small business. Hopefully they can remedy their behaviours and improve the experience of working with them as an employee.
From a customer perspective I've been impressed with my interactions, alas, that is a different story.
My bad, I referenced the wrong attack. It was a long time ago and a hazy time for me In general. The attack was actually the Parsons Green tube explosion (very close to where I lived in SW London) in 2017.
@@danielrobinson2123 We all suffer from sesh dementia, my guy! I've likely thought I've been in the middle of a terror attack when in fact the Missus is trying to make me sleep on the couch
@@jonathanhughes5876 yea, I mean I remember it well enough… Wouldn’t change most of it as it brought me to where I am today which is a great place. A lot of lessons for sure but it was also a great, albeit reckless period of my life. I remember my sesh captain days fondly 👨✈️
Wasn't it the June knife attacks in borough market?
@@juancsmix that was also around the same time. A couple of months before I think tbh I Just remember people blowing up my phone checking in because something crazy was going on in london. Pretty sure it was the Parsons Green thing.
To be fair.. at 18 you can join the military…
I think Peter at the moment had a lot on his plate 🍽 what people got to understand it's hard to get on adapt brand they just don't take anyone like that. When u get sponsored, u suppose to respect and love what u rep not try to play with fier, plus it's a European person people like where I'm from don't respect stealing or fucken a round or playing games adapt is self made brand an those 2 people doing there best to keep people happy look whats happening in different brands it's way worse then that one thing I can say the owner got balls to let any one know what they feel it's there brand
Omg 🤯 i didn't know that!?
Now that everyone’s quite, no more replies, I can eventually say what I really have to say:
Bill is the KING.
The Master of his own style. Second to none.
I hope that somewhere along the way we all take part of, I’d be able to meet him once..
And I gotta love this video! Come on! 🤩
Getting all this audience for free, and they all going to read this comment! Come on! I feel I have to pay someone!
So that’s it. Bill is The King.
The end.
And Adapt kicks ass 🤩
High-school
So it didn't happen like the one guy says..(said the little spoiled bratt stole a hat of a girl)..then the other guy, (overaged to wear a cap), said, we where drinking, it all got a bit blurry, the spoiled bratt stole that hat from the girl, they drove off with the hat....so where was the first guys statement wrong?...Mr bratt stole a hat from a girl...facts...i can see why the adapt guy wanted to beat the crap out of spolied bratt ....i dont know him and i want to beat the crap out of him...
Sure.
Support THEM
Bill still on the adapt skates
He says he still loves the skates.
@@wheelsceneblading to be honest when the holy controversy came with the rider in the leg thing I was like well that’s kind of messed up but Heard his apology and I thought to myself maybe the Skates are that good?
"There was a bombing in London, I can't remember which one. 😳 "
That statement speaks volumes on how FUKng scary their immigration policies has made it to safely live for citizens...
I only see one conclusion to this drama and that is Pieter stopping skate manufacturing. Who wins? One less brand but atleast we got social justice.
Or hear me out adapt could not be dickheads
I actually think it’s likely that they’ll pull out of aggressive over this.
I hope not but it’s fine to share this stuff and let people decide who they want to be in business with.
Or they could just start treating people right.
if they do stop making aggressive skates that would be a shame. But realistically they try to make the Lamborghini of skates, and succeed to a point. Most people can’t afford them and they’re a pain to maintain and completely impractical for daily use. People would get by without them. That said, I don’t want to see that happen the point of all this is for Pietr to take some personal responsibility for treating people like shit. We all gotta learn a lesson sometimes, I certainly learned mine through this process. It’s actually a pretty easy fix for them if he would just swallow his ego for a second.
Adapt does make some great skates. I personally didn't like them but they're quality
And at the end all the fuss and commotion led to nothing but Ongats!!!
Keep supporting Adapt you bladers..
In your opinion, an opinion which is clearly not shared by others. Do you have any favourite skaters? If so, wouldn’t you want to know if they had been wronged by their sponsor so you could make a more informed decision on your next purchase?
@@wheelsceneblading It is strictly Business and running a Business is a constant challenge. What ever Pieter and his skaters are dealing with doing Business, is nobody else's Business.
Allegations were made against Pieter and put on this platform - Wrong place. Other than that, all of you participants do not have the right representing it to the public.
The end user’s decision on their next purchase should not be effected by those allegations made. The consequences of such actions can hurt Pieter & Olga’s Business - that is VERY Wrong.
Might as well tell you that I have 5 pairs of Adapt. I buy each year 2 new pairs just to keep supporting the brand. These skates are the best in my collection - and I’ll spare my time by not writing why.
@@Beastys do you think it was wrong for Pieter to send an email to Brandon for him to read out in a video?
My objective was 100% completed by Wheel Scene's upload. I'm confident that a skater or two might 'adjust their expectations' of adapt when dealing with them in the future. I would tell a good friend not to deal with them, the skating community is my best friend.
@@Beastysyes man.. entirely my opinion… Pieter is a thought leader … what he produce is amazing
So many judges around here…just sayin
So you are judging the judges basically? :)
Yea how dare people have an opinion
@@Golem1988 nah…just counting, I don’t have a dog in this fight.
@@JustAnotherBlader exactly! Especially when the TWO people who need to be talking aren’t even involved in this conversation but yeah, you go right ahead with your opinions. I’m good over here minding my own damn business.
@@Harleywayne Evil thrives when good people do nothing. If we let this slide, we are setting a precedent that this is ok. It should be discussed and trying to paint yourself on the high road by dismissing the whole situation is what gives these aggressors power. Saying you don't have a dog in this fight could've been better said by... not commenting. Stay out of it or condemn the wrongdoing. Simple as that
And after having made a point that Pieter may or may not have an outburst attitude..... What about it? The skates - as Bill says and admitted to- are incredible, one of a kind! Also considering he had a whole rack stacked up behind his back of adapt skates.
Do you all quit your jobs at the first sign of your boss being a prick??? No. I bet only a few do, perhaps. And more to the point do you have the balls to tell your boss he shouted at you? No... Maybe 30% people do.
I am not sure what point are you trying to make here... out of the bad attitude of a person??! How many people have a bad attitude and we don't go crying about it all the time, no?... Bad or not bad attitude, their product speaks for itself.
i used to really respect these podcasts, but having been involved and know exactly what went on, this is literally just gossip. sad way to get clout, especially having only one side of stories while making these. not jounalism... just gossip youtube videos.
Technically, it’s more than one side. Also, are you saying your account of events is more
valid than Dan and Bill’s?
So Pieters letter is forgoten in this argument? i see 4 sides of the story already, Levi,Pieter,Bill and Dan. So stop smoking so much ganja and admit your boss is an asshole
Then don’t subscribe. Simple.
@@wheelsceneblading Good response to "I used to really respect these podcasts (until people started exposing the truth about the company I ride for)." If this isn't what you believe is true, Russell, then go on one of said podcasts and tell your side of the story.
This is far from gossip. Journalism is simple - it is reporting on things that have happened or that are happening. What happened was...two more former Adapt riders spoke on their experience with the brand and the owner. That is being reported on here, in this video. That is journalism. If someone doesn't like it, then they only like journalism that supports their views. And that, as we know, is a huge problem with the world today (and probably always has been). Thanks for another great video, Dave.
One man’s ‘gossip’ is sometimes another man’s reality. I’m glad you had a different experience than me!
I have been an artist for 50 years, I received many great prizes at the beginning of my career. you skaters think you're artists because you're discussing royalties. I have nothing to say on this but I will share with you my experience on this subject. an artist does not exist without a production company, record company or prestigious concert hall.. alone, even extremely talented, he is nothing and the reverse is true, that is to say that a mediocre artist supported by cronyism or family ties, will be on the front of the stage and recognized. Why am I saying that? well, the skaters who criticize Adapt are only demonstrating for all to see, including their resumes, that they are disloyal and unreliable. they shoot themselves in the foot. do you think big brands will trust them now?
So a skater should remain loyal to a brand even if they disagree with how the brand is run or how they are treated. What you are describing is compliance. If, as an artist, you are wronged by a company that represents you, do you remain loyal to them and just accept behaviour you are not happy about? Your argument doesn’t make sense and sounds like capitalist propaganda.
@@wheelsceneblading , i'm just artist not producer. I don't make rules. You see, i have many friends who worked in symphonic orchestras who perfectly know it's better for their career to close their mouth, in thé thé opposite case, i don't make you à drawing.. In thé working world, it's thé same.
What just i say, it's not à good idea for Bill for instance, to appear like that, it's not serious, not professionnal, hé should delete and forget this.
Thèse Story is a bad joke. You call it capitalist propaganda, compliance, not me. À big part of thé working population don't have thé luxuary to speak like that.
In my way, it's à friendly advertising, don't search bad mind.
@@ladesneffous-vc2yx again, you are basically saying, if you are treated poorly in the workplace you should just keep quiet and accept it. That’s such a backward perspective.
@@wheelsceneblading i just discribe rules, i don't make it. Now, i'm retired ... Fortunatly... You say backward perspective, compliance, capitalisme.. It's not my arguments and my words, it's yours.
How do you think about thé DDP of Powerslide or Roces or Rollerblade Will react in front of Bill Stoppard when hé Will read his curriculum vitae ? How do you think hé Will project him in thé futur? In thé publicity world!!! Very bad idea...
When i was 20 yo, i used to work in à big TV channel, it was forbidden to criticate thé TV...
@@ladesneffous-vc2yx you didn’t answer any of my questions, you merely continued with your rant. Do you actually skate?
A word to the wise:
Instead of using social media as an innovation in communications, some use it as a gateway to judge others.
This case doesn’t belong on this platform. It is a private affair that one does not want to be made public. Apparently you all did.
It has consequences. Wrong conclusions can be drawn from something that is not explicitly stated.
I skate on different brands, Adapt as well. I will keep supporting Adapt as a client. Others should too.
So if there was any wrongdoing, you don’t think it should be made public knowledge so consumers can make an informed decision about which brands they want to support? As a consumer, I would like to know. Pieter’s had a chance to give his version of events, why shouldn’t these people be allowed to do the same?
People will draw their own conclusions anyway…. Videos like these just add relevant information and other views to help people make more informed decisions for themselves. Myself and bill are talking about our own personal experiences with adapt brand as riders. Why are you defending them so hard when you have no skin in the game? Nobody is telling you not to keep supporting them.
"There has been publicly corroborated stories about this owner and the way he treats his riders. Yeah he admitted to threatening to break a 17 year olds legs and threatened his career, but... I am ignoring that and you should too!" This is you lol
Thé common way to make intox is to using some true évents and transforming it as WE want..