Helldivers 2 Has A NEW Mech...And It's Controversial! DARK FLUID Major Order!
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- We've now got the Exo-49 Emancipator Mech...and it's either sh*t, or great! Let's find out...
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I love the new mech. Last night I felt the game became too easy on helldive. My rando team both on bugs and bots repeatedly wouldn’t board the ship because we were having too much fun! We were clearing bile titans so fast! I love firing at them with AC rifles
I’m going to recommend a video everyone should watch it’s called “pity for the guardsmen” watch the whole thing reason why is because at a certain point it talks about having disposable equipment you’ll know when you hear it but that’s what helldivers are you are cheap I can replace you and so is your equipment. But the main thing is like buzz said you can’t aim down far why because I’ve seen time and time again that helldivers are stupid they will shoot a rocket when their is a foot between them and a enemy the devs are trying to stop you from killing your self plus you have a stomp is it the best no but is it better than blowing up yes also the heavier bugs have weak spots the devs said that the back of a charger is weak that orange belly of theirs you have explosive rounds with the auto cannon I think they also said that while the bile is spitting you can shoot it’s mouth and their bright belly but I think there’s a bug so it doesn’t do the full damage while shooting it’s belly and also can you imagine having the mech after a 2 minute cool down with 200 rounds (it has 120 right now) over powered they want you to have fun but not completely break the game the best idea is keep it the same but add a strat that brings down a ammo box that you or another player can grab and reload the mech I have it all planned out how it would work but this comment is really long with no punctuation.
The new Exo suit ISN'T dog shit, you just have to know where to aim for kill shots, and in some cases know that it ISN'T the END ALL gear that people want it to be. You still need the support of your team meates to either EXPOSE armor with their load out to work in tangent WITH the suit like everything else in the game. A great many people, too many in fact don't realize this. HellDivers2 is a TEAM based game, NOT A SOLO ONE, nor a SOLO ONE WEAPON win scenario. I know it's said a lot, but it's literally a SKILL ISSUE! And the people that are crying about it are just a pointless noise distraction from things that ACTUALLY need to be addressed in the game.
You can use both mechs at once on pc do this, 500kg, orbital railcannon, orbital lazer, mech, then replace the orbital railcannon with the other mech, then you can change the orbital lazer and the 500kg to whatever you want.
Friendly reminder the emancipator mech in helldivers 1 had:
- 250 shots per arm with 500 total
- Could fire stratagems, even while moving
- Trampled all small enemies for an instant kill with zero self damage
- Had sufficient resistance to tank several minutes of fighting on frontline
- Moved significantly faster
- Had more damage per shot and aoe than this suit
- Had heavy armor
- And you could stack mech stratagems so you could use it the entire match
i cry, i remember taking four mechs in HD1 and slapped serius ass
I bet you some guy named Alexus wasn't involved in the first game.
Helldivers 1 seems to have been balanced around being fun though. Helldivers 2 is le epic gamerz only, h*ckin dark souls 100 difficulterinos
@@TheEthizle That may work for some people but I'd rather a game be fun than have it ruin the fun just to be challenging
in HD1 helldivers are an actual elite fighting force while HD2 helldivers are nothing more than cannon fodder
makes sense why EVEN WITH the technology gained from illuminate they are still weaker than HD1 divers
The problem with taking the new mech against the bots is that every time I've tried it, within 15 seconds of calling it in, one or both arms have been blown off by the stiff breeze caused by bot projectiles passing within a mile of it.
Really? On a lot of 9 missions I’ve used it to tank drop ships of devastators and mow through them, it’s a better bot mech imo but you also have to use it strategically for bots, rail cannons and tanks will fuck you up the most.
The hitboxes are too janky. Mechs need serious buffs. They need to be slightly op they're endgame stratagems
@@dalej4241 A single errant rocket is enough to blow a limb off. And much like the HRE, bots rockets are neither "single" nor "errant."
first time i used it, i got shot through the mountain by the command bunker's turrets. second spawn was at extract, and the bots were down hill. Mech can't aim down. awful first impression
second time I used it, it was alright
@@effive7817 Best use I found for it was cross-country travel when it was time to book it for extraction. The mech walks at the same speed a Helldiver sprints. And I guess it's okay as something to blast with while waiting on extraction, until shit starts to get too close, then you gotta hop out and be useful with orbitals and Eagles.
Bro the dark fluid had me thinking we were fighting for dark elixer 😭🙏
The illuminate coming sir the dark fluid one of there's I've played hd1 this was in it It belong to them we just took it and trying to use it for our self but yea there coming.
Barbarian King stratagem when
Helldivers 2 is definitely going through some growing pains. Let's hope they grow out of their awkward stage.
Might help if gamers had patience, held their judgement and hate.
Try support and constructive criticism and/or critiques, instead of just 💩'ing on everything on the Internet..
@@GamerSingularity we told the devs in CLEAR and respectful terms that their balancing decisions were quite frankly mad and unwarranted. the answer was the devs and CM yelling "git gud scrubs" just to reverse their own terrible decisions later down the line. when this is their answer to legitimate criticism they dont deserve the curtesy of respectful criticism anymore.
they had the chance to listen and chose insults and toxicity instead and that is what they now reap!
@@KT-pv3kl You sound vindictive and vengeful.
Where is all that salt in your life coming from, truly?
Either way, sounds like it's time for you to make your own game and show them how it's done..
@@GamerSingularity
Nice flawed argument. Now tell him: "Get good," "You just want an easy game," "The game is perfectly fine," and I'll get a Bingo since you're already complaining about people complaining.
@@castlesbard1547 Why would I do that when I've already said my piece?
The game is far from perfect and need a lot of work but I'm patient and will support AH until something better comes along.
If the game gives you so much grief and make you so salty, why not just go play something else?
Support or walk away.
Be a part of the solution instead of adding to the problems.
OR
Go make your own game and show them how it's done.
Best of luck to you with the bingo thing.
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When do we get our playerbase back
When devs will deliver true weaponry.
When:
Sony white lists the currently blocked countries (some are waiting for that to show they actually learned)
Undo the nerfs
Get more content that isn’t locked behind MOs
New planets to fight on
And MOs that build up momentum
I'm waiting for June 6 to see if Sony will pull a fast one on people again
We will when the balance team decides to give a major buff to fun
When Sony stops acting like a crybaby because they couldn’t get MORE money. So never.
The AA Effect needs to be changed instead of taking away a slot it needs to be either
1. All Airstrike Strats are disabled, but you can use everything else.
OR
2. Airstrike Strats have a 50% chance to fail with a radio call stating "AA too thick, aborting run." If you kill the AA guns on the map, the chance goes away.
AA should just be more AA side objectives on Map. It doesn't remove a slot, but just means more AA emplacements for you to destroy.
I don't agree with the first one. The second one? Yes. Maybe instead of being completely removed upon disabling enemy AA, make it so there's still a small chance your Airstrike strats are off target. Like maybe 10% due to the pilot being too scared or something. Have something there regardless, but also it can add some immersion to the game.
im fine with the harsh AA and jamming restrictions. this wouldnt be such a big deal if our primary and secondary weapons were viable options to deal with those objectives even in hairy situations.
the real problem arises when we have jammers , AA , gunships and observer towers all forming a perfect storm of FUBAR and you are shooting BBs at 10+ hulks and multiple striders on top of trying to dismantle the objectives with nothing more than a few grenades and an autocannon.
Autocannon Stratagem Damage 300/260. Autocannon Sentry 300/300. Exosuit 49 ..... 300/60. How much ? 60 per armored enemy? Wow. Butchered. Nerfed.
Strat damage 260 for both, but agreed that the 60 damage is really low.
Yeah they need to fix/buff that armor damage and give it more ammo.
Autocannon Support weapon: ten shots before requiring a stationary reload. 60 shots total.
Auto Cannon sentry, completely stationary. No manual aim so it will blow its load on scavengers, or non-weak spots.
36 shots total.
Emancipator mech, 150 shots, Mobile, no reload, protects against a fair amount of damage.
If you just look at the damage number, you're an idiot, period.
Thats the only downside of the suit. It sucks against titans
This is whining. A weapon shouldn't be perfect in every situation. The new mech is fantastic against bots, and crushes anything that isn't a tank. It can easily wipe 5 or more bot patrols. It is less useful against bugs. If it could 2 hit everything in the game, it would be overpowered.
As it is, It's useful, and balanced. Which is more than I can say about many stratagems and weapons.
Why do devs take so long to react and correct problems like ALEXUS? It's like devs always get these toxic designers' backs for wayyyyy too long before cutting them loose, and it makes no sense. The entire community can hate an individual designer who repeatedly trolls the community and repeatedly hurts the game with questionable-- often seemingly malicious-- balance/gameplay changes-- but development leadership seems always pussified about putting them in their place or better yet-- promoting them to customer.
Alexus already has a well-known INFAMOUS reputation for antagonizing communities verbally and with his awful balancing mentality of "nerf EVERYTHING that works" devving for both Hello Neighbor 2 AND now Helldivers 2-- so who tf is protecting this guy?
He sucks. Kick that jerk to the curb.
The Emancipator is too situational for a stratagem with only 2 uses per mission.
I agree
Yeah both mechs are unfortunately only good for eradication missions and possibly defense missions.
@@MMBN4bluemoon You, sir, are completely incorrect. New mech is fantastic on high level bot missions
the main problem is the few situations where the mech is actually usable are also situations where other stratagems outperform it. in every situation where the mech shines a regular autocannon does just as good if not better.
@KT-pv3kl Not true at all. I play AC all the time and have hundreds of hours of game time logged. It is nothing like the mech AC, which is capable of laying down a massive amount of firepower in a very short space of time with serious aoe causing damage in a wide area. They're are plenty of situations where the AC is not going to perform as well as that mech and claiming otherwise it's just not true.
This is all just white noise really until we get our weapons back to pre-nerf status.
Plus just as important, reset the spawns for x1-3 dives...
True that, yo! im solo and while I love this game but the spawn and difficulty is ridiculous. that's saying something considering im a Fromsoft/Souls player primarily. I know they're different types of games but the point is im not new to BS difficulty. ive done a LV1 run in Sekiro, Elden Ring and Bloodborne... anyone who knows... knows. so when I say the difficulty for this game is miserable and unfun as a solo player its not that i want an easy time.
Agreed
@@forestchurchill7348 Played Dark Souls 2 so much so I know the borderline Masochistic experience it is but I still love the hell out of the game. But all the stuff tossed on us in HD2 has really killed my drive to play unless its with my friends.
quick to take and slow to give back. how can you acknowledge you messed up and refuse to put it back but sit there and keep saying yeah we are going to do it. i'm so close to quitting for good.
The patrol spawn is being reverted next major patch, which is probably soon.
Weapons are probably being buffed, but I wouldn't count on that being in the next patch.
But I think solo helldive is easy enough as is.
Seriously, the main difficulty in helldive is the idiot allies that don't know what the hell they're doing.
Solo is easier than with randoms.
My biggest problem with the game right now is that it feels more like a job I clock into rather than a game I play to have fun. The mechs suck now, all the guns aren't fun to shoot, they get the job done sure but in a way that leaves you unsatisfied.
That’s literally the exact opposite of how I play the game. It literally just feels like fun, with absolutely zero amount of work being put in.
All kinds of different weapons to use, game play styles, different maps, etc..
I recommend therapy. I have everything maxed out, over 650 hours played and max medals and samples. The games isn't hard and I am currently playing Spacebourne 2 most of the time. Like I said. Seek therapy, you are doing this to yourself
@@joheric8886 No where did I say it was hard, I said the fun isn't there anymore. You must agree as you said you are playing a different game right now as well. If anyone needs therapy it's you with this deranged comment.
@@doglog5748 I'm glad you are happy with less. We should all be so lucky.
@@dotmadhackyou’re such a whiner
I'd rather both mechs were OP but only one use per mission and while they lasted made you a demi-god of democracy. Have it for that one push in a mission.
Hell they could have a 5th stratagem slot for "limited" stratagems and then have them be REALLY strong. Have the orbital laser there, mechs, maybe even a super strong sentry and could even have a really strong eagle strike there as well, make strafing run good and have them do many more passes and better aimed hits but as the others, mission limited uses.
So the devs themselves said that primaries should be used to kill chaff, and strategems used to kill armored/heavy targets. So why the fuck would i waste a strategem slot on something that doesnt kill armored targets effectively? I can already kill chaff, and the patriot kills both chaff AND armored targets better then the emancipator, so what the fuck is the point of this thing? Its like the devs arent on the same page as to what this things niche is even supposed to be.
The point is "more toys" and "variety". We're scheduled to get more new toys every month. Those toys will likely not be op either, but good feedback (not all the screeching people have been doing) to command will probably get improvements to those weapons.
I fkn hate how entitled this community is now. Just pretend you're a helldiver, and just like irl weapons aren't perfect when they're released. It'll make you a lot happier if you just role play from that perspective.
@@onerimeuse Trueee
@@onerimeuse Good point. EVEN in hd1 we got like so much crappy weapons stuff etc. we still had one primary for chaff one support weapon for big stuff and rest were just "utilities". Even though we got like i dunno 20 ish primary most of the people we're using ar-20 "justice" with 30 rnd mag and medium pen on direct hit and with penetrator rounds which penetrates and deals damage on other targets if they're back 2 back. cause it was versatile.
@@onerimeuse To late. low drama people are gone at the first sight of PS drama. Now its just cry babies who suck and cant improve so they want stronger weapons. Eventualy they will have their way because they are the only ones still playing and the game will become P2W with all war bonds having better equipment. Then the players who don't want P2W will leave. Its the beginning of the end.
@@ricestrike7937 I hope you're wrong. I like this game a lot. I have faith thst the devs had a plan. But the reddit going from in universe memes to weapon spreadsheets really makes me think you're ahead of the curve.
We're not supposed to have perfect weapons. This new war wasn't even a war until a week or two ago. Our species has been at peace for a hundred years. Were an expeditionary force adapting to a new conflict, with enemies that are supposed to grow and learn and evolve as we adapt to their threat capabilities. That's what they meant by best live service game ever.
But nah, a bunch of people can't live without very clear updates. Can't live without a patch not telling them about a new enemy. We started with discovery through exploration and real time information sharing. Now we have crybaby cod players who are sad they can't solo helldive with their primary weapon. Just a bunch of automotons themselves.
I feel like Im in the Majority when I say, we're tired of being underwhelmed or nerfed over n over again! I, like so many were hyped for the Duel Auto cannon Mech! then we dropped, I called down and...Meh, its like a reg auto cannon build minus the maneuverability for more armor...and the Auto Cannon Turret (That I've protested from day ONE that our personal Auto cannon should be JUST as powerful! as its the SAME rounds being fired!) is once again MORE powerful than the Duel Auto Canon Mech! The mech is a Walking Gun Platform!!! why does it only take 3 turret rounds to bring down a Hulk, but 4 for the Mech?!? I feel like the "balance" team is just going to hear this, and they'll go "Welp, guess we need to Nerf the Auto Cannon Turret" because thats their Go TO FOR Fukin Everything it seems! Just let us have a lil power fantasy as we face the endless hoards of enemies on Helldiver! Next to Sony, the "Balance" team is the biggest culprits of sucking the fun otta the room and killing hype!
it's not a regular autocannon mech. the mechs autocannons do LESS DAMAGE than a hand-held autocannon. it's literally trash.
@@patrickhamos2987 that’s what I’m arguing, that’s it’s completely lacking any logic as to why the “Same” auto cannons, are so wildly different in specs! To which you KNOW the “balance” teams response is gunna be “Welp, let’s just Nerf ALL auto cannons so their Equally trash”
I do feel the nerfs have not been bad at all (warframe has done far worse)
I dont know dude. I rolled it last night. It slaps things around like a red headed stepchild. Sounds like you and many others just cant hit your targets. Stop blaming Arrowhead for your inadequacy
@@deathless12345678 wow “skill issue” how original 🙄 or maybe you just don’t even play HellDiver difficulty so are just talking outta your A$$ to mask your Own personal inadequacies. Though you are aware that Data exists to show the difference in damage across all 3 Auto cannon types, that he even talks about it in the video. But no, go ahead and Troll harder to show how edgy you are, it’s soo cool to see 🙄
most of both mechs problems could be solved by a mech bay ship module
lvl 1 faster assembly: cuts down cool down form 10 to 8 min
lvl 2 increased capacity: missile pot 14>20 gattling 1000>1500 dual autocannon 75>125
lvl 3 onbord computer: allows for firstperson aiming and holding R to set the sight to different distances also togglig those pasky flood lights
lvl 4 spare parts: allows for a third mech to be called down per mission
you can toggle the mech lights by pressing X on PC, not sure what it is for controller though.
they also have 3 settings, being Dim/Bright/Off. not that useful but still neat
@@Wolf-Nyan thank you good to know
Thats a fantastic idea! Id love to see this ingame.
Honestly based idea, I’d love to see that, and it never hurts for more upgrades
Show that to TwinBeard. Seriously. He can pass that off to the Balance Team and maybe it'll happen.
If you blow your own feet off because you're aiming down on flat terrain, that's your own fault. We need to be able to aim down over cliffs and hills when enemies are coming up at us. We can't use the high ground to our advantage as is which really sucks and would no doubt make Obi-Wan very sad. But seriously, let us aim down ffs.
This is why I quit playing. Some idiots with the eruptor where shooting rocks ten ft in front of themselves or in areas of teammates so shrapnel killed them. Their solution was to remove shrapnel completely which was the only fun thing about a very slow shooting and inaccurate gun.
I've played some missions where I matched with some great randoms and we went with 3 Emancipators and 1 Patriot (me) against bugs and it was really cool. I covered the team against the close chaff while they wrecked everything else and when a bile titan would show up I'd tear it up with the rockets. The aim is still crap on the rockets, but I had tons of fun and I think that's what really matters.
Now THAT sounds like some democratic fun, Helldiver!
I want to love the patriot so badly. I almost exclusively used the mech suit in HD1, but the reticle is so painful to use when you're also dealing with such limited ammo.
It pains me that I'm much better of just using a stalwart and EAT's and pretending the patriot doesn't exist right now.
Ammo backpack for mechs would be an awesome addition. Gives someone a support role like in the matrix. Can use ammo found on the ground to restock half of two ammo packs for the mech. Takes 5 seconds to reload, so players with mechs have to pull back to their teammates.
I’d say if you carried the pack with mech it takes the same time so you still have to pull back and still have to find ammo to restock.
What do y’all think?
I like it. 👍
If they want the mechs to be these super special, only twice in a match use, they need to be significantly stronger in response. Currently you'll likely only get an eagles worth of use out of them overall, yet they've quadruple the cool down and you can only use them twice. That goes further in the at least until changed, the current use of strategems, which is for a necessity, not optional, as primaries and the majority of even strat support weapons are not meant to handle bigger things.
You can't have it both ways. Now on one hand, I have a feeling due to the extremely recent step down of the CEO, this thing was likely balanced in the previous era's way of thinking (i can only hope) but that still doesn't change that it's just near as good as a dang 10 minute cool down and only two uses.
The thing needed the dmg/pen of the support weapon, with nigh double the ammo. Would it still be weak against titans? Sure. But it'd be in a much better position overall for what the CD and other restrictions it gives.
Mechs are bigger, they don't allow you to use other strats, you can only use them twice, it's cool downs are extreme, and you can only bring in one per match. They need to be incredibly to justify these weaknesses. So pick a lane ArH. Either knock out the restrictions and keep it as is, or buff the crap out of it and actually give it a reason for said weaknesses.
PSA: When aiming with the mech, you need to press mouse button 5 (to switch sholders) to make the other gun accurate.
I can't switch for some reason I can without the mech.
You have to hold right click when youre doing that.
The new mech is good. it's just not 2 uses with a giant cooldown down. You can kill about as much stuff as a laser stratagem, but you can also lose your mech almost immediately. I think they should make it unlimited or 3 uses with a lower cooldown.
either sturdier mech or more mechs i agree
they could simply increase the damage to be in line with the other autocannon then it would be perfectly fine. high risk high reward. fragile but 4 times the dps of an autocannon.
The Patriot is for Bugs
The Emancipator is for Automatons
And a sneeze to end them all
THIS BRO THIS! To right. I found that out recently. It’s just so bad for ammo, can’t wait until it’s sorted tho :)
just wondering, have you tried switching the camera side for the mechs? I know you can do it on foot but can we do it with the mechs?
Yes you can
Cco specifically said it is not the patch to end all patches so when you say that it gets people hyped up.
I think it will bring some big changes that people will like, like the spear targeting, fix and patrol rate revert.
Probably won't buff the weapons this patch.
But it sounds like something they do expect to do.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 According to Twinbeard, it seems like the Balance Team either need more people, or stop fucking around with Journos and get to work. They seem to be brainstorming ways to reduce nerfs and find a "common ground" with the players, but they just don't have the time or manpower. Especially given how impatient players are getting.
I know the damage is the issue. But when stalkers just bounce off it then you stomp on it it’s very fulfilling.
The damage and ammo is a problem really. It’s great against most enemies, just not bile titans or chargers.. literally either the ammo needs a big big increase or maybe a little buff. Better yet, a resupply once for each mech would be good 😊
@@ShanePlaysTV Bile titans take a million rounds to kill but honestly chargers are not to bad. like 5 or 6 shots usually for me. I think part of why they are not super strong is that I am sure they have mech focused ship upgrades in the works which will buff them up a bit.
@@odinswolf_766 I think ship upgrades is a great shout bro!! I find hulks easier to kill than chargers
The issue with equipping both exosuits is a bug, I've been able to get around it by selecting one then a different stratagem then the other. Sometimes I have to select one, exit stratagem select, then go back in and select the other
Had a whole team do this yesterday and it was an absolute blast. Made sure we had 3 mechs out at all times and one guy on foot. SO MUCH FUN!!!
The issue with bugs is that bugs just _need_ AT, things like Chargers and Bile Titans need more oomph to be taken down efficiently.
The Emancipator does do a wonderful job of clearing up bug nests since it's autocannons can collapse bug holes.
It does suffer a lot from enemies getting too close to it.
Now the bots on the other hand.
While bots have better armor on the wide lense, they also have more weak points. Take the Anihlator Tank. While yes, you can shoot it in the vent in the back, you can also shoot its treads off immobilizing it and make it an easy target for stratgems.
While the Factory strider might outright require the employment of heavier weapons, you can effectively neutralize most of its offensive presence with only a handful of shots. The chin mounted guns can be destroyed by medium armor weapons.
TLDR: The Emancipator isn't a one-size-fits-all thing. It's a tool ment for dealing with moderately armored threats.
Should it be a combat monster that shreds bugs and bots by the dozens? I can't really say.
But what I really want, is that APC stratgem, solely because well, I'm sick of having to walk anywhere, and you can't pick up chicks in a mech.
"A New Meh-ch"
Mechs should be OP by design because you can only ever call in maybe 1-2 before it's gone, Keep the ammo limit that it's at now, and boost the damage.
There's simply no reason to take the new mech over the AC sentry. The sentry does way more damage to heavies and it lets you keep fighting on foot while it does it's thing while also having a short cooldown and unlimited uses. Hopefully this new patch brings some fun back to the game, but I'm not holding my breath
Great idea: On a planet where restricted to 3 strats, we choose 4, drop in and one random strat is locked for each player until they destroy a building, then unlocking our 4th strat.
i personally love the mech because the patriot was not very good against automatons, only against terminids. this one is good for automatons. now we have something for both types of enemies!
Yeah, but the problem is you're using your brain. That's not what a large part of this community does.
How dare you imply that people should keep in mind the entire other half of the game D:
Agreed. I have no problem with the new mech. If we had a mech that killed everything with 1 hit and had 1000 rockets with a cool down of 2min, this would make everyone happy for 1 play session and bored for every subsequent session.
Level 7 automaton you mean lol
@@djrqd2661 what a beautifully crafted strawman.
Just sat down to drop a duece. Perfect timing!
😂 TMI!!!!!
Pinch a loaf, listen and learn. Multi-tasking at its finest.
It takes you 14 minutes to crap, ddaaaamnn.
@@kylebolt1951 You've never hung out on the can to finish the video?
@Max_Ohm no like 45 seconds to 1 min 30 seconds . Not included washing hands so 2 minutes tops.
You can use both mechs at once on pc do this, 500kg, orbital railcannon, orbital lazer, mech, then replace the orbital railcannon with the other mech, then you can change the orbital lazer and the 500kg to whatever you want.
According to a new FAQ on the Discord, the reason you can't use multiple mechs is because of game stability. The mechs use too many resources to allow so many per match. They're working on it and once they can handle more mechs per match, they'll allow more.
I just don't see a reason. We have more than enough options to clear chaff easily. T3 enemies are the biggest issues, period. And with the horrible durable-damage those auto-cannons have, you can't do much against them.
Kills everything except tanks and titans fine. Chargers only takes like 5 or 6 rounds to the leg. So many options for killing heavy enemies not sure this needs to be one. Every weapon has its intended targets and this is a jack of all trades master of none category imo. Still fun AF tho.
MAJOR ORDER JUST DROPPED! WE NEED PEOPLE ON TURING NOW!!!
He mentions the MO in the video. You must've not watched that far
You’re on your own.
I’ll come back when they fix the balance.
Yes sir
@@wolfgamer2666 may liberty be with you helldiver
i have soon better games to play, sorry lil bro, steam sales are right around the corner.
My only real complaints about the Emancipator was the pitiful ammo capacity and arm health. I only got to use it once on a bug mission, and two thirds of my ammo got eaten by a bile titan that spawned right when we dropped in. It worked wonderfully against everything else, but ran out of ammo and had to be abandoned very early on. With the ten minute timer kicking in, I didn't get to call another one until my speed demon teammates were calling in extraction. I used it twice against the bots, and one time it did great until I ran out of ammo, and the other time one arm got blown off in the first engagement by a single rocket, at which point my dps dropped horrifically and I barely managed to hold the line. Out of ammo and missing an arm, that mech had to be abandoned fast, and I was waiting for a good 8 minutes until I could get the second call in.
Make sure to bring the shield backpack to protect the mech body Vs. Bots. A Quazar Cannon is also really nice with being able to let the cooldown tick down while driving the mech.
It kinda makes sense to me that only one mech would be available to take in a mission because of logistical reasons. The staging area on the super destroyer and the transport ship for the mech has to be prepped, loaded, and ready to drop a certain mech. You gotta pick one because it is only ready with one during a mission. I don't have a real issue with it - you can come up with reasonable arguments for why. Yes, a lot of what they do is to try and maintain a certain challenge and difficulty to the game. Considering we complete successful Helldive missions with plenty of samples multiple times a day (and it's pretty rare for me to fail anyway), I don't have much of an issue with how they handle keeping things challenging like this for the most part. Not that some things couldn't be tweaked and adjusted, of course.
And then in HD1 you could call all mechs and even APC or tank in a seconds between each other.
@@Kazaanh Yep, it was quite a different game and a different time period in Super Earth history.
@@RedHawk.SokotraSuper earth is supposed to be 300x stronger and yet everything in Hd1 is stronger and better
Super earth only controlled like 40 systems in hd1 and here over 200, cmon man.
@@YourSocialistAutomaton These people will say anything to defend this shit, it's unreal
@@YourSocialistAutomaton In all fairness the super earth government are full of shit
so far no mech can deal with the bots
This one is amazing Vs the bots what do you mean I spent all last night fighting bots with it. It's super fun.
When the mech does full durable damage then I'll think or using it.
Are we using the same mech? Emancipator does amazing against anything that isn’t a tank
Not being able to equip both the Emancipator and Patriot is a lore decision. Just as your Eagle is circling overhead to drop its payload, when you equip the Emancipator or Patriot, its been loaded up onto a pelican for drop and is awaiting your call, and your personal destroyer only has one pelican in it.
I think if you want both, it should drastically increase the call in time. Takes an eagle 2 minutes to get to orbit, reload, and come back, that sounds about like what it would take for the pelican to go to orbit, get a mech strapped on, and come back.
I think for Exo suits, their needs to be 2 reticles of where the gun is aiming for each gun on the mech and it been color coded so you can tell which is which. Would help a lot I think.
Let's set the expectations here. AGS has already said that the next balance patch isn't "the patch to rule them all" as they have confirmed previously. I think people are expecting this patch to be insane and game changing, so I think it's important to temper expectations. I think the changes they want to do will take time and I'll be shocked if they get that all done with the upcoming patch. Also, people saying that the Emancipator sucks are being truly hyperbolic. It's my theory that they are bug players and were disappointed when it didn't take down a BT in 3 to 5 shots. If they expanded their horizons within the game, they'd know that it plays MUCH BETTER against Automatons. I think the "one-stop-shop" gear mentality needs to be shift because not all gear works in every scenario and that's how it should be.
The emancipator is great, it's actually really fun to play but definitely needs a buff up
The game is dying as you read this.
The time for those buffs was 3 weeks ago. They are intentionally driving off casual players because they don’t spend money on super credits.
The emancipator is really fun for me, it's great for bug nests and small non armored enemies plus it keeps the bugs at bay in their bug hole
Is the armor so much higher that it can survive more than 3 seconds against the bots? If not, then it's useless. You'd either need a shield strategem or you'll just die before spending half the ammo.
It takes nearly all the ammo to kill 1 BT and half to kill a charger.
An autocannon turret no diffs both and has a faster cool down plus it's unlimited
It's not like you need that much ordinance against the bots, 1 guy with EATs or a RR will do fine
Laser cannon works on most bots Scorcher kills tanks and the factory striders can be killed with the cluster rocket
Until a nerf that is
The problem with their design philosophy is that Mechs are a MASSIVE opportunity cost in comparison to other stratagems. 10 minute CD and a hard limit on uses, and very limited ammo are theoretically fine, so long as they give a huge amount of power in exchange. Why would I use a 10 minute CD to kill a few hulks, when, in that same time, I could get 10 EAT, which shred them just as well, if not better? Plus, using the EAT doesn't cripple my ability to react to new problems, because I can still throw stratagems while I'm carrying an EAT.
There's a reason why the 500kg bomb is the only eagle with limited uses, and also has the longest CD. It's because, when you use it, it is absolutely amazing. So strong that it almost feels OP, *because it has to be.* Otherwise it wouldn't be worth the CD and usage limit. If it were balanced the same way that Mechs are, the devs would adjust its damage so that it could only kill medium and light armored enemies, had no effect on Heavies, and prevented you from using another stratagem until the CD finished.
Personally I have been enjoying the new Exo-suit. With the right loadout or squad it gets the job done just fine. But that could be said for almost everything in this game.
I understand the criticism though. Can be a difference between what is fun and what is optimal for some people.
I like it. It needs a damage buff needs to do like 120 damage currently it's like 60
ived learned to use like queso or eats.. shed armor and 3-5 shots titan down.
the only thing id like to see is a strategem that rea arms and or repairs it..
its a 7/10 add a strat to it easily 10/10
@@denhawken ok, a rearm strat for exo-suits would be amazing!
@Sergiblacklist I can totally see that. A damage but would not hurt at all, and it would not make it OP either
@@sporksabre or say your back pack items can attach to it.. a rover or a backpack shield.. we shall see.. but yeah people just wanna rage for no reason on the internet
Something people seem to miss about the ac sentry vs the rifle is that the sentry NEVER ricochets... Against any target, ever, period.
It’s now fixed you can use both mech stratagems while in a mission.
Nice! Thanks for the notice 👍
The new mech is amazing. Been averaging 400+ kills per match with it. No issues with fast stuff just shred them from range. If they get close just stomp on them or walk forward. Me n my friends have been completely unstoppable with it because we are actually good mech pilots.
how many of those kills are bile titans and chargers 😭😂😂
@@RealKingGrizzWhy not let the mech handle EVERYTHING else (including chargers if you know how to aim correctly) and have 1-2 players on Titan duty?
Stop using a skill saw to drive nails.
@Icanthas On which difficulty do u play!? LMAO
@@carbonx0718 Varies from 7 to 9. Always gotta get my chicken leg samples.
@@RealKingGrizz killing them is eas;y... eats and queso to shed skin... 3=5 shots.. ded titan.. i play 7-9
There's no reason why the Emancipator should be able to go up against both terminids and bots. I think it's cooler to have different exosuits for different targets, although I do dislike the fact that the reinforced damage is so low. It should be in line with how the standard Autocannon deals damage
AND GIVE MORE AMMO TO THE EXOSUITS (!!!)
in b4 "bring an additional vehicle/mech strategem" upgrade is added to the robotics workshop
Love the 20-30 shots to take down one charger then 60-70 shots to take down one titan with the new merch. It’s so fun!!
Hot take. The exo suit is really fun to use, and is really useful. It can deal with everything except titans and factory striders without second hand support.
With a team, the thing can be incredible
Not a hot take, but actual level headed comment. You have just nailed exactly how it is best used.
Honestly that’s what I’m saying! I love the mech and I had a lot of fun using it too
I'm still not a fan. It only has enough ammo to kill 2, maybe 3 chargers, and that just isn't good enough to justify taking up a slot. Especially with that long cooldown and limited uses.
@@aniyn It is true, it doesn't do well against bugs. Bots on the other hand.. Let the Emancipator deal with hulks and devastators, while the rest of your squad deals with the rest. In my opinion, that is what the thing is designed for. Save ammo and smash through the most annoying enemy types. Advance, advance, advance. That turned up to be how I ended up loving it.
@@danielnovotny9094 it can be fun all you like but if i can deal with hulks and devastators faster with an AMR or any other marksman rifle or quite frankly even the regular autocannon then the balance of this mech is off.
try to see it from the other point of view: would it be any less fun if the mech had a similar damage profile to the regular autocannon?
I honestly find the emancipator fairly decent. It's not a one-tool-kills-all, but given its ability to chew through everything but the most hardened targets, it does a decent job of opening up opportunities for your teammates to land those critical anti-armored shots. That said, it really should be brought up to the hand-held autocannon's specs. Our expectations for its functionality come from our experience with the autocannons we carry, not necessarily the sentry's performance. As for the targeting sway, I'd settle for just having a secondary firing line dot. Maybe color code them red and blue for left and right. I don't know. It's a big, clunky mech. I honestly expected it to handle like it looks.
I think, as you mentioned, it would be very interesting and fun if there was an AA modifier on the planet; you could still choose a 4th but it would be greyed out. or maybe all Eagle strats are completely locked or greyed out. that is until you destroy either a special AA emplacement (maybe a special HUGE bot base with giant AA cannons) or clear the basic ones as secondary objectives.
They REALLY seriously need to change the major order release dates to beginning and Mondays or Tuesdays and ending on Sundays or Mondays. Seriously, if there's no major order on one of the few days I have off work then it does me no good. On top of that it also allows people to hype up friends to prepare for the weekend where more people can play. It would be nice if the weekend, was also the final day of the timeline for Major Orders if they are big ones like we have had lately.
They clearly have not gotten the memo, that it's all about players having fun ....
Sure its terrible for bile titans - but if it could take out anything it wouldnt be fun i think - its meant for medium enemies.
Me and my friends who play on slightly lower level difficulties took it and were in awe of its effectivness against bugs! made us feel powerful just like it should.
Dont test everything as a stratagem for helldive difficulty - a strategem doesnt have to be competitive at the very highest level to be good. And anyway it can work at the higher difficulties it just means youre the designated medium enemy counter. anti tanks arent good against chaff - and the stalwart isnt good against hulks but that doesnt make them bad.
Wish more people wouöd thi k lile you, but Most people here want an invincible oneshot machine
No, stratagems that perform worse on higher difficulties arent as good
Ran with a dude doing level 6 dives on Turia today and I jokingly called him my Iron Giant. He did great and I cleared away the little bugs with an arc thrower and rover. Good time and he made great use of the ammo.
*remember when we were powerful y'all..*
*and ALL able to play the game ??*
*good times...*
i like the new exo suit, i think its fun. i wouldnt call it dogshit... all the whiners out there... like come tf on. Give the Devs a fucking break.. theyre doing their best and its still a fun game and its still a fun mech. Im so tired of all the cry baby whiners that complain about getting something awesome. Keep in mind theyre still trying to fix everyting else on top of this. Helldivers is still a fucking kick ass cinematic experience thats overall enjoyable.
waiting for these whiners to quit the game..so only the real people who enjoy the game are left.
I don't think it's our job to give a company that sold us stuff a break... by the way where is all that stuff they promised guess they're just taking a break
@@drsawma exactly. there are problems, theyre being fixed. its still the same game just STFU
@@drsawma all 100 of you. Good luck matchmaking and getting content updates when that happens, sissy boy.
AH desperately wants this game to die. They didn't expect it to be such a successful live service, and that's the problem. They don't want to put any more resources into it because that costs money.
…Maybe if they drink paint and hate money. Sincere doubt.
Absolute worst take yet. Congrats. Lmfao.
Press x to doubt
What?
Scrolling through all these YT channels, it seems it's the player (like you) that want the game to die.
Support it or step away but either way, STFU.
If you talk to the captain on the super destroyer, he talks about how Meridian is destroyed.
Past tense, the whole planet.
Sounded like it was compressed into something very small.
After trying it just focusing on hoards of bugs it seems to peform really well. But the fact that i had me and my mates all in a mech shooting at the head of a bile titan was absolutely ridiculous. All 4 of us shooting at its head took like half our magazines. This goes for chargers too
You know what would be an interesting thing to add to the game? Titans from Titanfall 2. Would love to see how Ion would be against the Bugs and Bots.
That, and I think we need 5 Strategem slots. I think that would allow for more versatility.
It makes sense that not everything works on every enemy. I used it on the bots and pretty much instantly realized it would be horrible against bugs.
Them not explaining that losing worlds permanently guts us really fucked us over a lot in hind sight, we had no idea what we were really *Meant* to defend.
Honestly I dont need nor did I expect it to melt bile titans and factory striders. But I would have expected it to perform vs chargers and hulks beyond the handheld version. It's also important to know what a tool is meant for. Like you said, it simply isnt meant for bugs which is fine
Been told that using the personal shield backpack will help make your exo-suit more tanky. This will mostly help against bots. Also, remember that using melee attacks while in the exo-suit allows you stomp with your left robo-foot so you can step on those termanids like the bugs they are.
You can equip both mechs. It just takes some attempts of swapping out a strategem with the second mech a few times until the game kind of just gives up and lets you equip both. I tried it myself yesterday and played a match with the event cooldown for the emancipator, a second emancipator, and the patriot mech. I was able to rotate through the three mechs and basically have 100% uptime on mechs.
in the shop, if you spam click armor then helmet, u end up seeing how they look together
I've been playing on Suicide Mission, Impossible, and Helldive difficulty, and most squads have been using the new Exosuit to great effect.
No, it is not the titan buster that people seemingly expected it to be. But I don't think it really needed to be.
It is fantastic at swarm control and objective holding. If you have too many hive guards, spewers, hunters, and warriors closing in on objective these suits repel them quick.
yeah i figured the Emancipator would be an anti medium/large mech while the Patriot is a generic all-rounder.
it feels great VS bots due to devastator/strider spam and those being medium armor, and the ability to headshot hulks for full damage, but it's inability to efficiently deal with heavy armor like chargers is... a strange choice. it almost feels like someone made a typo and forgot to put the 2 in "300/260" like the other ACs have for their damage/part damage stat.
at least it has the same penetration as the AC turret instead of the portable AC so you can actually hurt heavy armor, even if you're doing 30 damage to it once the "Armor = Pen? 50% damage" kicks in.
The Emancipator is a decent armor shredder from what I've been playing. It's very good to turn hardened targets into mushy targets for your fellow divers.
But hey maybe I'm wrong and this is a single player game after all!
its less effective than the regular autocannon against hardened targets.
I think the design is pretty obvious: The first mech is for Terminids, the second mech is for Automotons . This shouldn't be that difficult for the louder players to figure out.
Here's my thoughts :
-the mech is usable, but can you blame us for being disappointed?
-it's anti-armor mech with low damage, low ammo, no ways to repair or resupply it, extremely long call-down timer between the first and second mech, you can only bring two, it's flimsy as feck.
-most other stratagems do the job more reliably than the Emancipator does without limitations.
-i played with it for a while, managed to fight without being exploded. But in general it's just situational.
-even if the intent was to have use it against the likes of Hulks, Troopers and Devastators, it doesn't excuse the low ammo count making it last 5 minutes before it's demoted to transport vehicle.
the new exo suit, is phenomenal, bugs: a breeze and SUPER SUPER FUN TEAM COORDINATION! bots, it actually levels the playing field.1 man in a suit, makes a utterly massive horde of hulks and devastators no longer an impossible field of death.
reminder people: work with your fellow divers! if one is in a mech, sure throw yours down! if 2 are? maybe hold off. run as a mobilized mechanized unit. i was actually worried they'd nerf it, me and my friends and randoms are having A BLAST again.
One can switch which shoulder of the mech you aim from.
One can also stomp on the mid sized bugs
If you press F while in the Exosuit it stomps the ground btw. Well for PC players. So you don't really have to aim down if bugs are at your feet.
Devs also confirmed, the EX-45 is made to fight bugs, the EX-49 is made to fight bots..
The Mech is also immune vs Blizzards, Mud, Bushes or other map effects that slows u down!
Need to say this in the response to the sigh before announcing that the superstore is a repeat, bro thats beautiful of a game to offer, it removes the predatory FOMO sales tactics that other devs use all the time, this is actually something to be praised. Even if its not as exciting as new things all the time
You can take both if you one first, then equip a orbital strike and then change that out for the second one.
I just had a very peculiar game where a guy tried to leave us behind a level 30 with all the samples with like 20 minutes left with no mic was doing very questionable stuff throughout the game so the host kicks them he had all the samples when after he was kicked the samples were gone too
Kill, then kick
Yeah, it happened to me as well, a player DC'd and the samples they had (they had all the Super Samples as they were the most reliable player) didn't drop, so it screwed us over big time.
Yeah so I found out if they get kicked or disconnected during the match with the samples if they have them they just disappear into the ether
Sounds like he needed samples and you guys were completely ignoring samples if he had all of them.
@@ricestrike7937 Not necessarily, he could have rushed the dead bodies to collect the samples they dropped before they could get reinforced. Which is usually considered to be somewhat bad manners, but does happen from times to times.
I really really hope at some point they could implement first person view on the mechs, do that cockpit view that battlefront 1 did all those years ago it'd be so fucking awesome, immersive and help us so damn much with aiming. I'd be fine if it took a long time to implement obviously, but it'd be super dope.
Its alright however it has 2 problems.
Note that you have to understand how the Auto canon works.
1- Very little armor. I've seen a single light bot shooting a mech by itself super easy. Thats just paper armor.
2- The aim. 4 Guns, none of them point to the actual dot you have so you can only eye ball it.
@ltbuzzlitebeer you can take both mechs, select one, then a different strategem for your second slot and the other mech for either your 3rd or 4th slot
Good video bro. Can’t wait for the illuminate 🙏❤️
The mechs should be very strong, because of there major downsides being:
-very limited uses, only 2, least in game
-very long cooldown, 10mins, longest in game
-limited ammo and can't restock.
That's not including the current issues both have as well.
If they made the mechs like disposable rockets, let's say 4min cool down and unlimited uses, then they would be in a good position, but the extremely limited uses, and how inefficient they can be, makes them not great..
My biggest issue with the Emancipator is that against Chargers and Titans, the cannon doesn't have the impact it should. One pretty much everything else bug wise it isn't bad unless it is getting swarmed by anything over the smallest Terminid (smallest it just tramples and kills under foot). I didn't try it against bots as at one point I got fed up with the too frequent patrol bs again when solo and hopped off.
well said man 👊😊
should be a rearm sation strategem that takes like 45 seconds or a min to reload your mechs to keep them in the fight
Great idea
Played the dark fluid mission on accident. Their were backpacks filled to the brim of dark fluid and we had to call it down and put it in a drill on errata prime
3:28 positive multipliers on defense campaign are not a bonus, they are the rate at which ennemies attack the planet ; and, correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to see a liberation campaign with a positive bonus (as for those it would mean the planet is being liberated by itself)
They devs *could* work around close range on the Emancipator and aiming down by having a minimum range on the autocannon shells before they detonate... Inside that range they could just have them act like huge armor penetrating shells.... That's what REAL grenade launches do.
What i would do is the left autocannons be ap with no aoe and the right be HE so you could deal with both threats. Also, i would give the exosuits more armor on par with a hulk but leave our rear and arms vulnerable
You can just move through small bugs and kill them instantly, melee to stomp hunters+, aim at the leg of charges and hold both triggers simultaneously to melt them in a seconds. Bile titans can go down with a lot of fire to the head but it's not a good ttk. I've killed an entire medium bug nest, bug breach, 2 chargers and bile titan, alone, with just over 50 ammo left over on level 7 difficulty. It's great against bots, but they can shoot off your arms which means you loose any ability to shoot with it.
It's fun! It has it's flaws, needs a few tweaks, but it's hardly the "useless" thing people are calling it.
Good to see not every RUclipsr is hating on the new mech. It's perfectly serviceable and feels very powerful, especially against bots. You can definitely down a bile titan with it too, it just is going to take most of your ammo. Aim for the head. Its ability to close bug holes is unmatched, and it of course can destroy fabricators by shooting into the vent at the proper angle directly in front of it. It's a good stratagem and I wish people would stop hating just 'cuz it's not super meta.
For worlds that have the -1 gem effect, divers should share equipment. I'm glad that I'm seeing this now with level 40+ random players now. Often times I would dive in without support weapons and I rarely receive my team mates extras, but I started to see the difference a month back, where there are people now that drop spares and vice versa.
For the mechs, to aim better with its left arm, try switching your camera view from right to left.
you can still use both mechs on bar with a reselect trick in game with a fast swap time
We at Arrowhead deeply value player feedback as a response. we will be nerfing the autocannon stratagem and sentry to bring them more in line with the amancipatpor exosuit