S3 E14. We install the MADMAN EMS3 on turbo diesel Saturn then build a stupid charger for more boost
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Season 3 Episode 14. Jimbo installs the MADMAN EMS3 engine monitoring system in the Kubota diesel powered Saturn. Then Jimob builds a stupid charger out of a leaf blower and tests it... will the leaf blower help the turbocharged kubota engine? tune in and find out.
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Plumb in the washer fluid sprayer into the charge pipe after the intercooler, it will lower Egts significantly and give you cooler intake air temps. Basically a cheap water methanol kit
Hell yeah 😂
Or he can just front mount it
@@TommyboyGTP alcohol in the washer fluid will do way more then a front mount ever will
I was thinking this too but nitrous would be more fun lol
@@CronoCarGuy do both wet shot of nitrous using alcohol as a fuel part of the wet shot, or use the nitrous after gear shifts to help spook the turbo back up
👮: there's a leaf blower stickin out the front of that car
👮♂: yeah but he's taped over the external wires nicely, leave him be
Probably the only RUclipsr, who sync audio and video, by slamming a car door 😂
Re the leaf blower, it's just they can't pump pressure. What you need is a positive displacement type pump ie a Roots type blower or a turbo. Fans can blow air but they can't pump much pressure.
AlexLTDLX has a channel devoted to electric superchargers. They make amazing power on low boost because there are no pumping losses associated with driving it (like a conventional turbo or belt driven supercharger) because he uses batteries instead to drive it. Only results in a 1% power decrease when it isn't running too.
This channel and this project cover the kinds of things I've been thinking about at 3am when I can't sleep for years. Im glad someone is actually doing it
Lmao I love the 2.0 ahhhh add on 😂😂😂😂 to funny
Perfect way to explain, especially for us adhd mechanics
It might actually help to sprinkle some nitrous or water/methanol in at your 5th gear shift to keep the temps down. Might even be able to set it up on your madmax to start spraying at 1,000° to keep the temps safe
Oh man! I've been thinking this thing needs water/meth injection for ages, but setting it to trigger off of egt is smart.
But not the nitrous. Water injection requires an injection port of high pressure after the cylinder fires. Not easy.
@@Darisiabgal7573 water/meth is sprayed in the intake to cool the air charge temp and raise octane a bit. It doesn't have to be fancy, I've seen it done successfully with windshield washer pumps.
@@magicstew45 You just have to be able to develop enough pressure to overcome the boost in the intake. Dont want to inject it ahead of the turbo or itll erode the impeller.
@clynesnowtail1257 it's a Chinese turbo that costs less than $200 who cares. I know guys that have been spraying pre turbo for years with 0 issues.
I'm definitely going to get a Madman..... right after my show is over.
Thanks to Madman for stepping in and supporting the cause.
Meh, the blower shenanigan went exactly as I expected BUT it always fun to watch someone find out by themselves.
Great work, RC Team ! Looking forward to the next adventure ! 👌😊👍
When you rolled out the SUNJOE stupidcharger, milk and rice crispys went everywhere from the laughter, thank you sir.
That Madman monitor looks to be a Winner! Kudos to them for seeing a great opportunity to showcase their wares.
You mention 'the jungle site' often. Did you know you could provide a link to the parts, with you receiving a small commision if someone decides to purchase through that link? A couple of other RUclips sites I frequent have this arrangement. It helps us by not having to search as much, and it provides you a bit of revenue for helping us with finding parts. Anyways, thanks. I love the Saturn build.
I do the Amazon affiliate thing, as well. The money I get from that is basically pocket change. But it does give the viewers a link to click on, if they're curious.
I think it’s “jungo” and he doesn’t get commission.
If that gauge can save logs than it will be possible to write program that shows that data in real time to put it in video. In that case gauge could be mounted in driver line of sight.
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The EMS3 can log the data using an external Data logger to an SD card. We should be releasing the Madman BRAVO soon, it will do live display with logging , downloadable to the cloud or your phone.
We can only hope that some garden gnomes break in and replace that bearing.
If I didn't live about 3000 miles away, I'd volunteer.
Yay!!! Happy Sunday!
That diesel should be able to easily handle 28psi of boost. Can't wait to see how far it goes
Yeah totally, I would definitely remove the wastegate. Just let it free float, if you add more fuel the boost should go up to compensate. I would change to a VQ38 turbo.
@@jessdarlington1007vq38? Nissan? 😂 this thing needs as small a turbo as can be found. It’s good for about 50hp without any internal engine mods.
I laughed so hard when you were brake boosting on the proving grounds with the sun joe.
I've said it before but these really make my Sundays!!!!!!
Thanks so much for doing these!
I'm pretty sure the decal was supposed to be put on the windshield which would have made the car at least 5 mph faster
I'll be honest, I know that he says that this car's destined for the crusher. But I would be pretty excited to see this thing hop on bring a trailer or something by the time it's done. See how much he can get for this monstrosity to find some more projects
Idk why he wants to crush it. Give it away to a fan or auction it for charity
@@isaakwelch3451 well it was a scrap car, I think the sentiment was he could get a little more use out of it before it goes where it was already going. And just selling a car that you have monkied with in such home made ways brings risk for anyone you sell it to possibly hurting themselves when something you built fails unexpectedly. Kind of like how technical schools have to crush cars that they let students train and work on. I don't really know his thought process but it would be interesting to see this little oddity preserved in a way that could kick back some money towards him and the channel
@@YurtFerguson Yeah, I wish tech schools didn't crush those either. Sell it with a disclaimer and you're all good. One of my favorite things about Kansas is all the homebuilt engine swap contraptions you can find out here
I would say this project would be a better fit on E-Bay, but Jimbo should defiantly sell this red monstrosity. Lots of crazy viewers would love to have this Hunk-O-Junk.
I heard him say “but I’m not worried now” I almost shed a tear. Beautiful project and story.
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I've done the leaf blower truck before on a Dodge Shadow ES Turbo. It worked a lot better than I expected. Probably wouldn't work on a modern engine that pulls timing and such, but the old cars love extra air.
If you want a fun project car, those are it.easy to work on and Dodge made parts for them across several generations.
Would a gas blower produce enough air to actually help?
You would need to count the gas consumption, though.
Could a battery-powered compressor make a difference?
Twenty years ago I used to see ads for gimmicks that were supposed to create a vortex in your intake to increase flow, but I guess they were designed for carbureted cars--they went in the middle of those round air filters.
My first car was a 1987 and I never had one.
I wonder if having something shaped like a fan in the beginning of the intake and after the filter would increase airflow--until it hits the intake manifold.
@drippingwax usually any restriction in the intake will impede performance, making the air spiral using vanes etc will take energy that was previously pushing the air into the cylinders.
Most engines do deliberately induce turbulence (swirl or tumble) inside the cylinder, the objective being to mix fuel and air evenly and speed up combustion.
Def loved that danger to manifold reference 😂
'my background IS in electrical'
Now heres the alarm thingy
I sure wish I'd have known about the thermocouple wire a couple of years ago. My rectal temps finally make some sense and I'm feeling better already.
Brian from EMS is amazing. I own an old EMS 1 on my 2005 Land Rover Defender, and when one of the sensors failed, a decade later, Brian was there to support it. Well done Brian!
Miss you last Sunday, but you made up for it today. Nice engine monitoring system and great video. 👍
I never thought such projects could be so damn interesting.
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Now we have 1 more madman in this car 😆
Finally, my “danger to manifold” reference was granted!
At first i thought the gauge was a cheap cheesy gizmo but for under $400 it looks pretty cool
Exactly, basically you get six gauges plus an alarm and some output channels. This worked out great for us because now we can film all the gauges with a single camera.
you learned me something new today. i didn't know that about thermal couple wires. thankfully i've never had a chance to goof that up.
It is so much fun to watch these episodes... Spin the turbo with the Sunjoe blower motor.
A blower is not a compressor..and it could be actually hurting inlet temperature slightly...
You need to upgrade to a turbo that can mount straight to the exhaust manifold without the need of the exhaust manifold to turbo adapter to help maintain boost better and also help spool faster.
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I suspect right now Madman is #1 in your fan club. You gave them like a ten minute commercial.
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That was fun! Can’t wait to see what your next hare-brained, I mean brilliantly engineered, scheme will be.
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Good video and glad to the Madman gauge. We’ve been using them for many years and it’s good to see Brian expanding to ‘Merca. He’s been perfecting the Madman gauge over the last 15+ years and it has proven to be very robust. Wondering whats next to Kubota, seems to be getting close to its limits. I feel a need for speed moment coming “ you need some nos bro”. 😁
People keep suggesting nitrous, propane, and other injections.
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Since you have a wastegate a smaller exhaust housing will get it spooling faster. If they don't make one we have trimmed and welded a new back on one to make it smaller on a JD Gator. It helped a lot.
The exhaust temperature problem is caused by too much restriction on the exhaust tubing, enlarge the outlet from the engine by 1" diameter larger than what you have and run a straight pipe with no muffler at 2.5" or 3" from there, this will allow the exhaust gas to expand as they exit the manifold, and that will drop the temperature significantly. It will also drop the weight of the original exhaust system by a lot and the removal of the muffler will reduce back pressure to the turbo, making more boost. I assure you this will work wonders. If it works on a Cummins 5.9l 12 valve turbo, it will work on your project.
Nice homage to This Old Tony for using the rotary phone.
I liked the bodywork on the Renault at the end of the video; nice!
That madman warning device is the perfect device for a stupid charge automobile.😊😊
An electronic boost controller can help keep the wastegate completely closed until it's actually at your target boost. This might help with the EGT in 5th gear. You could test this cheaply by installing a valve to manually disconnect the wastegate when the boost is too low.
i love how the whole MadMan box has writing in ComicSans.
This is by far the most interesting channel. Love how above and beyond you go for results. Best Channel Ever. Thanks.
Thanks man, You have been busy. Great to see you are getting some success with people and companies.
Instead of an electric leaf blower you should use an electric water pump to turbo charge engine cooling
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I have seen this done before, and no one ever comes to the same conclusion that I do. I think the reason why you are actually suffering with the leaf blower is because you are actually restricting the airflow by having it in front of the turbo charger. If there was a way to separate, the two and have a Y plumbed in I think that would help. The leaf blower would have one end, the normal intake would have the other. That way it can supplement instead of having to supply the engines needs and then provide boost. Just my two cents anyway.
Exactly.
Does a 2ah blower really move that much air that fast? As much and as fast as an exhaust driven turbo?
I'm going with no.
It might be helpful off the line, at low revs, maybe. But it's just a restriction as soon as the engine's really working.
different ideas for lowering EGT.
If raising boost helped why not raise the boost further?
Why not a custom exhaust that keeps the exhaust gases seperated for a bit longer and a larger diameter to reduce exhaust backpressure?
I also think your injectors are getting too small. Mechanical injectors have a firm limit and you can only increase output by increasing injection timing. As your beginn of injection is already determined you can only prolongue injection to rather late which increases your EGT the same way as too late ignition does on a petrol engine.
that turbo is likely too small to push more boost than what's already doing. A bigger turbo would be a better idea...
@@hojnikb Well he still has way to adjust the wastegate
Wow, madman makes an excellent product. Thank you for continuing to innovate for the channel and props to whoever does the edits
Oh wow! That madman setup will be perfect on my 1986 Ford with its Brazil 6.6L diesel. 😮😊
Fun stuff as always! Gotta love a car with bolt on fenders.
I'm wondering if the blower, despite being a fan, ends up serving mostly as a restriction. It might be that the intake grid starts to spoil when the air is coming at it faster, or when the air is being pushed in, so the differential of whatever property drops. It might be a similar thing at the fan blades. it might be that the advertised figures are wrong, or that the fan does really badly in static pressure so it's no help for this use. I'm feeling like the funnest thing to do would be add a venturi effect intake after the fan, so the supposedly higher speed can be used to suck in more air rather than as a pressurizer stage. I can imagine all sorts of reasons this wouldn't work, but it's a stupid charger, why think.
A more practical suggestion is maybe use the blower to force air over the intercooler. Put in perspective, this being the more practical suggestion seems to indicate the blower is not going to help.
ventilation direct to intercooler. indeed another solid idea, even filling the gap between hood scoop and intercooler would be an option. some thin metal box very close to the top of the intercooler.
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 I am surprised that he hasn't installed a gasket.
People obsess over it.
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 From what I understand, airflow doesn't make a difference, it needs to be compressed.
There are $200 cordless compressors, but as far as I can tell, nobody makes contractor-grade cordless compressors.
Ryobi's $180 compressor would produce 7% as much air as this 719cc Kubota already uses.
@@drippingwax an air compressor for tooling doesn't have the throughput volume to keep up with a car. Keep in mind the displacement is a measure of the volume traversed by the face of the pistons. He says at the beginning 719cc, he's covered the RPMs better in past videos, I'm making the meter out to say 2700 at 65~ in the first run here. That's 719cc * 2700 per minute, or in the neighborhood of 68cfm @ 1atm; the turbo means we ain't at 1atm, I'm not going to learn that math. The first result for "contractor compressor" is a pancake unit on home depot, which happens to have a cfm claim at all, amazing, and that claim is 2.6 S-CFM, meaning they've done the counter-math to remove pressure. Looking at some bigger compressor, one that can put out 68scfm probably won't fit inside the car.
Now, this coffin seems thoroughly nailed, but, towable compressors exist, and they're typically used in very high flow applications, like jack hammers, and purging irrigation systems for the winter. They (can) run on diesel, and they (can) exceed 350scfm. They however are generally not rated to exceed 50mph, and are not meant to run while moving. It would be very funny to put a tow hitch on this saturn. It would also be funny to tow a larger diesel engine. Using a secondary engine as a towable external turbo, would be just about the funniest thing you could do to a saturn.
Towable compressors tend to rent mainly in the fall, with a little in the spring, now or summer would be a great time to get a deal, maybe the weirdest sponsorship.
@@drippingwax this would be on the external air path of the intercooler sorry , you meant the internal air path. I was thinking cooler fins , not necessarily more boost. nor can I offer a specific improvement to compound turbo charging. it seems that they turbo charge the screw type supercharger directly on a big block :)
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That was hilarious, and the gauge set up is cool all my toys have the PCM wired into a head unit running android so I can data log and bring up any combination of gauges, but I definitely could see a use for the setup on more analog cars.
Put a high speed electric motor directly on the end of the turbo compressor shaft with a clutch to prevent the electric motor from being turned, maybe something like a chainsaw clutch, drum on the shaft, centrifugal clutch on the motor. That would be fun to see the results of. May have to build a small gearbox to up output RPM, which I suppose could also be made to act as the clutch, so it's only engaged when the motor is energized.
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You should try 3D printing a ram air intake
😍 heartwarming to see that tiny french car getting some love already 👌
The little French car will make another appearance sooon.... possibly running....
@@robotcantina8957 🥰 seeing forward to it.
Pause prediction, because the Sunjoe was designed for low back pressure high air flow It's not going to produce much in the way of effect.
I love the added instrumentation, I might do the same on my 2003 Ford Fusion EUDM.
The effect connecting thermcouple wires through a terminal block has, is adding or subtracting the temperature difference across the terminals, which would normally be null. Type K i also relatively (compared to other TC types) high signal, so external effects in general have very little effect. Keep the polarity right and don't short it, and you're unlikely to run into any issues. Lower signal TCs, like S, B or 20/40 are significantly more sensitive and require more care, but even then we've had neglible effect from connecting them through a terminal.
The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.
I wanted something like the mad man for my 1970s skid steer
I would really try a turbo added to do the compounding at about 30 percent bigger compressor and turbine size maybe ask power driven diesel about what size turbo to use them guys are great and know their diesels
Looks like a nice monitoring system. I really like the Saturn Diesel Videos and wish they made more diesel cars and trucks for the US market. Can’t wait to see what happens next. Thanks for the videos.
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Very nice gauge set. Next step....nitrous and compound turbos!😂
Madman...that TOTALLY fits.
This episode had strong Tom's Turbo Garage vibes and I like it. RIP Tom's Turbo Garage.
Danger to manifold is always critical
Yeah, love the little monitoring device, may have to get myself one...
But not today cuz I'm broke.
Indeed, very funny. Again! “Stupid Charger”… very good! 😂😂😂
The old battery might handle the 16V from the alternator well, but beware that other peripherals that receive battery power could go up in smoke!
Good thing that "Mexico" is not all that far away from Kansas. Making it easy to do "Legal" high speed runs!
I laugh every time the MadMan sticker is shown upside down. Sorry sponsor!
Unless it tells me "DANGER TO MANIFOLD" before the diamond plate floor pan falls out, I'm not interested.
So my experience comes from the 5.9 cummins engines, but I like to replace the boost actuated waste gates with spring gates. That way boost will only get as high as the fueling will allow. And the spring is there incase drive pressure gets too high.
15psi radiator cap, apocalypse and time.
You know you COULD for real twin charge the Kubota with another one of the Amazon superchargers!
Yeah! Use the spare one you have from the Insight :D
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Random suggestion but if you plan to go further into the whole leaf blower thing, roadkill actually did something like that. With something like 5 leaf blowers boosting a big block Chevy swapped monza. Either way may be a good place to pick up some tips n stuff for leaf blower boosting
That Renault has some wax-on, wax-off fenders!
We had an 800 cc daihatsu turbo diesel hatchback in the 1980s.
It did 150kmph. It did 100mpg in real world hilly highway trips and better around town.
It did have a tendancy to blow head gaskets.
But that was probably more about the crap mechanic that was replacing them.
That stupid charger was a riot! Great job on the install, the video, and the script. I was laughing out loud at work when you revealed the install on the front bumper.
Unfortunately, that leaf blower is designed for high air volumes with no restriction. It doesn't provide any significant static pressure, so once it starts to experience any restriction, it won't push any faster. It's likely providing just as much air as the engine is trying to draw in. You would need a compressor rather than a fan to get any real pressure increase. Maybe one of those portable air mattress inflators? I'm not sure what their maximum pressure is, but I think they would have enough maximum air flow. A tire inflator would be an obvious choice for pressure, but they have very low maximum air flow. If you only need the boost for a short period of time, perhaps an auxiliary air tank and a regulator could be used to get you a constant boost pressure for a short period of time. Pair that with an electric valve and a push button and you could have yourself the classic "NOS" from the movies! 🤣
Some leaf blowers have the power but this one is very budget.
This is soo cool! If possible it might help you out to make an equal length tube header to your turbo to help reduce back pressure and improve it's spooling. It's a lot of work though.
Maybe improve is compression with better ring gaping on the piston heads. Then there is the coveted big 3d printed cone or something off to the side where the "stupid charger" was to see if "ram air" can help that turbo lol!
Anyways I love this series and it's always a great video to watch on Sundays, thank you for posting. I end up thinking about all the cool ways to improve the power of the engine and what is realistic with the tools and everything you know and have.
This entire project has been a bag of hamme- I mean fun to to watch!
FYI, the more common unit of metric pressure measurement in the automotive world is KPA
I keep saying to give it some bbq gas. That'll sort a lot of issues out. The madman is awesome
This is a Naturally Aspirated engine from the factory, so it has 23-1 compression, it would help to lower that some, that’s very high comp for boost, but these engines are mostly bulletproof because of the way the crank and main bearings are set up. I used to work at a Kubota dealer and they only ever failed from overheating on big zero turns from grass blocking the radiator.
Have you thought of wiring in a full throttle alternator disconnect? That alternator is probably eating close to a horsepower. It might only be rated at 20A but at 16v thats more than 300w. The internal efficiency is probably worse than 60%. The V belt is also huge for that much drive power. I know it doesnt sound like much but it may be 2 or 3% of all the power that engine is making.
The MadMan has switching abilities and you could hook it to a relay that disconnects the output and signal wire.
Bigger intercooler scoop perhaps? something out of sheet metal?
The water methanol is a good idea also but you need the -20 mix, the regular 32F stuff does not contain methanol.