Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S2:E4
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This viewer's gaming PC is broken! Well... sorta. It massively overheats - even at idle. Can we solve this puzzle? By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your rig, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.com/fix-or-flop
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What did you think of this video? Pretty gross, eh?
ay im the 5 like :)
I was surprised the awful airflow case wasn't partly to blame
I figured it was either a dead or clogged aio. Wasn't expecting to see a whole ecosystem in there though. This is why you always get cheap or used spare parts for self repair.
One thing build guides rarely touch on is what to do to avoid downtime if your pc bites the dust. I really respect and appreciate what you do for your viewers. Even though you do everything absolutely free, that time people are without their pc can be devastating, especially if it's crucial for work. Maybe you could do a vid touching on how to keep your pc up and running on a budget, with minimal downtime. I'n the meantime, keep doing what you're doing. Channels like yours really help those who truly need it.
Yuk!
Agreed about Greg's honesty but I also agree that the coolant wasn't properly treated and that was NASTY
I can really respect how upfront greg is with all the advertisements and how he makes money. Full respect to you man
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I'm pretty sure that is required information
@@Rated314 I don’t think anyone has to legally tell you how they make money, the ads being monetised yes but how he goes about explaining to the viewers his process is where I was getting at
Facts
That growth is a biofilm. When bioactive fluid flows over a hard surface, bacterial colonies will adhere and create a collagen lattice to help it grow. Common medical examples include build-up in catheters and dental plaque.
I feel like China needs to get rid of thier toxic waste and they slip it into anything they can. Lol.
That biofilm needs nuked.
So basically it's PC plaque. The aio needs to brush it's fins lol.
Is your explanation valid in a sealed cooling system without air to develop bacteries ?
@Cracky isopropyl will lose its chemical structure over time. In other words, it loses its ability to combat bacteria,fungus, and algea over time
He wrote in his email that he loosened the cooler and it helped a bit with the temps, yet Greg was like "these screws are way too loose, tightening them might fix it" haha.
I was thinking the same lol
He does it for the video no computer tech changes a CPU before cooler for an overheating issue I get his not trying to make the videos quick but what his doing is showing the newer generation that's new to pc building how to do it wrong you could tell it was the aio 2min into this video
Lol I thought that too
@Brandon Carter the first thing I would have done was gone to an air cooler to confirm. If the air cooling works, you know the PC is fine and you just change the aio. Start with the easiest, and most likely stuff first.
_He does it for the video no computer tech changes a CPU before cooler for an overheating issue_
Sure a tech does that. He just did and he is a tech, right? So, no, a tech does. Also, no, you told what he did wrong. You said he just swapped the CPU. That's false. He checked how well the cooler was in contact with the CPU as well as cleaned the CPU of old paste, reapplied new paste, refastened the cooler on to the CPU, which you neglected to include, THEN he swapped the CPU. THERE, fixed your misrepresentation for you.
No wild and over the top graphics, no silly music, and no arrogant or fake attitude, just cool, sincere, wholesome, honest, and the point. This is the tech channel I've been looking for. Thank you, and God bless you and your beautiful family ❤️🙏🏻
Based on my experience with radiators, I would recommend testing/replacing these before motherboard every time. Nice work though, persistence pays off as usual.
That is my problem with my first gen Threadripper . That IO is still $400 each =( she is stuck in my to fix self .
i have the same aio, the pump is built into the radiator rather than the cpu block so rad placement doesnt matter too much
The thermal camera showed the rad wasn’t working.
Swapping the cooler should have been troubleshooting step #1, after basic information gathering. Even just putting a stock cooler on will conform if it's hardware or cooling solution related.
No freaking kidding! Talk about commenting on the obvious. Who is going to pull a motherboard for an overheating issue anyway? A five minute install of a stock cooler will zero in on the problem with minimum effort.
I feel like it was fairly evident that it was the AIO, as soon as you showed the thermal image, you could tell that the fluid wasn't being cooled at all. 1 hose should have been colder since it intakes into the rad as hot fluid, and then exhausts from the rad as colder fluid.
The pump is even in the radiator so the whole Barb thing wouldn't really massage the AO is a piece of garbage but had a lot of them are RMA
that is not really the case for pc cooling. Automotive cooling tho, yes. as in cars.
The temperature difference in AIOs is only about 1C or so at most.
@@micheskillz . Probably a bit more than 1 degree, however you are correct. I believe it’s from the rate of the fluid cycles through the AIO, and less from the heat transfer from the rad or block. Basically the fluid travels so quick that the fluid doesn’t actually saturate the fluid immediately.
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I understand you’re looking for root causes of the PC problems, but I deeply appreciate the depth of finding the problem, fixing it, AND returning the PC in a state better than you received it. Going above and beyond in all aspects of these videos makes you stand out brother, thanks for the great content. 👍
The red gunk is probably Serratia marcescens. It's a pretty harmless bacteria and its basically everywhere looking for a wet environment to grow. If you have something like a moisture trap in you will often find that stuff growing and gunking up any lines that should be draining it. My guess is that they didn't use some sort of bioinhibitor or if they did had a bad batch, or it just broke down and became ineffective over time.
As a Floridian I know this dude definitely gamed with his window open haha
@@nycyabber7103 true. but its still a closed loop. nothing should be able to get in like that. though as davy said. it could be broken down bioinhibitor or just a bad batch.
@@freakklompif the water was the problem then it was already in there with the water before it was closed
@@kuwey correct. something inside the loop was the issue. probably the liquid solution they used.
@@freakklomp where do you think those tubes, radiator, block were stored prior to assembly? do you think they were stored in hermetically sealed environments from manufacture to build? i have a background in mold and fungus treatment and though it was for structures its the same. people would always say it doesnt rain much in Az and theres no way the studs in my home were exposed to that much moisture. spores travel in the air. we breathe them all the time, they permeate everything immediately upon inception. Now that being said they could alcohol dip every part prior to assembling and add an antimicrobial to de-ionized water to mitigate the problem. Clean Room assemblies are getting more and more rare in modern consumer grade parts. However I have a Corsair Hydro Series H110 that has been running since 2013 and is currently running on my CNC controller pc in my garage right now. so exceptions to the rule exist.
I must admit to being somewhat surprised that you never just put in a stock cooler or something similar for testing purposes. It would probably have been one of my earliest troubleshooting steps when seeing those temps.. But of course, all us computer people have our own methods.
Great video as always. Informative and entertaining. :)
I was thinking the same thing cause my gaming system also had an aio failure and I replaced the thermal paste as the first step. That did not work. Then I put on a stock cooler as you mentioned for my second step and my temps went down and I knew my aio failed. Did not take me very long to figure out my issue at that time.
That would have made for a 4 minute video instead of a 30 minute video, and we want the long vids
Yep, stock cooler would have ended the whole diagnosis. It was cool to see all that bacteria in there though, and its a good thing to learn about.
I've noticed this in many of his videos, he skips over the absolute most obvious solutions, until the very end after he's gone through a ton of crap that was much less likely to be the culprit.. I suspect he does this to keep his vids a little longer
I was going to comment the same thing. Step 2 for me would have been to take out the AIO and throw in a stock intel air cooler. I would have done that way before replacing the CPU and especially before replacing the motherboard.
Had the exact same cooler, exact same symptoms. Replaced the cooler and it solved it. Apparently tons of people have this problem with this cooler, I heard that the liquid crystalizes or something (not sure if true or not). It kept cool enough to stay at idle around 40, but doing anything ran it straight up to 100c and started throttling, occasional shutdowns.
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i have a guy who had the msi 360mm aio and the pump died on him and kept overheating his i9
I am currently rma my cooler bc of this same issue and funny enough when I saw this video I knew the aio was the problem
MSI's quality is just bad these days tbh. I have a RTX 2060 MSI Gaming Z and the gpu shroud fell off by itself one day and after inspecting, the way it was mounted to the heatsink was via 4 or so screws holding down on a paper-thin nudge of plastic and that same plastic melted and broke off so the shroud fell off. Mind you the card ran at 65c at the hottest of times so very much within spec. Plus add on their after-sales support which tries its best to not be concerned at all with the problems you are having with your MSI stuff by pointing you to the retailer you bought from it instead of taking direct responsibility. Way to go, I suppose...
I started noticing problems with that aio a week or so ago. Since idles had risen since my purchase. So I though it was a dead pump and returned and swapped for a different aio. Glad I did, was even considering on exchanging it atm. Super glad I didn’t do that.
Hi Greg: Thanks for showing this one. The take-away I have on this video is to do a FLIR on the system, as a first step. See where the heat is and where it isn't. Your FLIR showed the CPU and AIO hoses were hot, but the AIO's radiator was cold. (Other posters have mentioned this.) That implies no flow of coolant through the system. That leads to either a bad pump or a fluid blockage. Bottom line: for a heating problem, do a FLIR to see where the heat is flowing and where it is not. Have a great day!
The take-away is don't buy an aio from msi.
@@honeybadger6275 *Don't buy anything from MSI.
@@PacketWrangler why not
Greg I have been a pc technician for half my life. And I absolutely love how upfront you are with everything. I love how you teach people how to troubleshoot and I think it is so relevant for people that own PC’s. After I repair PC’s all the time, I try and explain to people what it was and what to properly look for. You’re a massive help to our community and without a doubt one of the best channels on RUclips. I love watching what problems you have to troubleshoot. I think we all agree when a pc is running fine it is bliss but when they turn fault, a handful of times they can be frustrating but we have to troubleshoot everything to make sure there are no further problems that could be causing issues. I love this channel. Well done mate
I would have thrown a stock cooler on it to quickly diagnose if the aio was at fault. Hindsight 20/20 of course, but in general with the given behavior the "easiest" step to resolve the issue would have been a quick air cooler swap.
I think this Is how he upgrades people without just saying he’s going to upgrade people.
I agree. Always start with the easiest step but that would make for a very very short video lol.
would have made a short video if he had just simply swapped the aio. which was def the first thing i would have done
then video would be way too short for ads
Honestly even with my AIO being fine for years I'm thinking I should trade a air cooler in before it does die
When you pointed the thermal at the radiator, I thought it wasn't spreading the heat very well through the radiator itself. Bet it's an unholy mess in there.
@@SpartanArmy117 I thought the same, but maybe it's just because he wanted to change the MoBo anyways like he said at the start. Also what he says at 25:20
I like that he doesn’t just immediately say, “yeah it’s definitely this thing” then fixes it and doesn’t actually fix the problem
I really like this series and these videos, but it's absolutely bonkers that you did a motherboard swap before an AIO swap to correct a CPU temperature issue. I do however, respect the fact that you don't edit out your mistakes.. that's what makes these videos worth watching. You do good work here.
My thoughts too, cooler first before the Mb and CPU
Yes. I would have grabbed a tower cooler and stuck it on there to see what happened before replacing the mainboard.
Was looking for this comment before posting it... When diagnosing pc parts, always go from simple to the complex. Board would be the last part.
6 ads, a mobo swap and at no point did you rotate the radiator with hoses at the bottom, in case the AIO had lost a few ounces of cooling fluid...
@@bluntape9897 lol
My favorite thing about this series is how educational it can be. I'm really glad he tore into the AIO to check out the coolant.
Makes me even happier with my decision to go with an Air Cooler over an AIO. xD
yeah! so much easier to clean and maintain
Yeah exactly, I used to have an AIO which conveniently stopped performing well just after it's warranty ended. Switched to air cooler after that and never had any problem since.
what'ya think is a good air cooler?
@@JcTYT I mean noctua is supposedly a king of air cooling but they are pretty expensive, I currently have a Deep Cool AS500 plus, but would have gone for Deep Cool Assasin III, it's just my case wouldn't allow that. Nonetheless I'm very happy with how the AS500 is performing with my 11600K.
Unfortuneately I don't really have experience with any other coolers, but I can definitely reccomend both metioned before.
@@JcTYT Yeah my Noctura NH-D15 is able to keep my 5800X cool while gaming. Using it single fan since I have tall RAM.
The moment I saw that they're using an MSI AIO (that specific model only), I kinda knew already what was the problem. Anyway, I really love your contents. Keep it up!
I remember seeing it somewhere maybe a Linus video that a certain AIO manufacturer had a huge problem maybe it’s a gamer’s nexus video
Friend had the same aio and the pump was dead.
I'm using the exact same model, should I be worried?
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Same problem with same AIO here, changed my cooler with Arctic 240mm. Now I am happy
Hi Greg, John from Australia here. Now I have to open my AIO to confirm gunk caused the EXACT same temp issue. Yeah, I subbed, top work mate.
they did a recall i got the 240 v2 and it works fine.
@@pandaberserk3390 is the recall still in place me pc started doing this a few days ago.
This guy is a good story teller.
I love how he just grab the cooler pipe, feel the flow and say that it works.
Then start the long adventure on CPU, motherboard things.
Being a tech there would always be small things that would just drive me nuts. Good on ya for remaining patient, Greg.
... Could have put on a 15$ stock cooler and realized the AIO was clogged as f.. This entire video is clickbait for 30 seconds worth of information.
I got 2computers that Windows 10 did a upgrade when i got it turn off and know no post i know whats up with computers i just don't care about them right now i still have 3 computers running and 1 asus laptop, I'll just fix it this weekend i biuld computers since the 90s. This is one reason why I don't care about aio i got 1 new cosait h100v2 new i got for $65.00 new from Amazon, noctua push and pull is on all mt 5 computers.
The flir picture showed it all, there was only heat soak, inlet and out let of cpu block was same temp. Inlet should be cooler then the outlet under normal conditions and no flow to bottom of the radiator which was stone cold. Plus first test would been a stock cooler. At least being a pc most things are relatively easy to test swap out, thanks for the content also.
I love this series! Real world problems. Keep up the great work Greg!!
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The engine was bullet proof and had an amazing reputation, but in the Commodore it became a bad nightmare and a joke as it had numerous problems with overheating and blown cylinder heads.
They eventually noticed that the Skyline had a nice square bonnet and shape while the Commodore had a sloped down bonnet to its front.
This changed the position of the radiator cap from above the engines height to below it.
They eventually found fixes to the issue and it resulted in some further care and steps whenever one needed to refill the Holden with water to make sure there were no air pockets in the cooling system. Namely an added bleeder up on top of the highest point of the engine.
Your little man is growing FAST! Give him two more years and I bet he'll be building his own rig.
"Your little man is growing FAST" sorry but THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
@@itsTyrion you nasty
@@itsTyrion stop it
Have to say, when you showed the thermal camera data, I was pretty sure that the problem is with the AIO. It seemed that the coolant maybe goes through the tubes, but the heat should have dissipated through the entire radiator. The heat stops right at the tubes at the top of the radiator, and I thought there might be a clog there.
Thats exactly what it seemed like to me, if it was working then the whole radiator shouldve been at least kind of orange.
Don’t both the tubes look orange/yellow/white? I’m pretty sure one of them should be blue.
I love seeing you work through these issues! Thank you for taking all this time and being so generous in helping these people for free! This method of learning how to trouble shoot issues is really helpful to me!
Was the only one that would've went straight to replacing the aio? I would've thrown a stock fan on that bad boy and fired it up well before I ever removed the cpu or motherboard.
I love the transparency in this series. From the monetization to the actual steps taken on troubleshooting. You really reinvented yourself Greg. I've been a long time viewer. More power to your channel mate!
Thank you!
@@GregSalazar * Dankeschön! 😂😂
This exact cooler has failed for a few friends of mine and my wife's PC. I didn't pull them apart to check if there was contamination like this but now that I see this I'm thinking it may be an issue with this particular product.
MSI sucks to be honest. My MSI 2080TI has died twice.
@@DevinRAR I had a MSI 1060 blow up on me, get replaced, second one blew up, RMA'd, worked for a day and the fans died. MSI makes decent motherboards, but the rest of their components are dodgy at the very best.
I've had 2 Core mag MSI AIO's fail on me, gave up and went elsewhere
@@bdzerrr yep I had my MSI MAG 360mm crap out after a year. Replaced it with a Asus AIO so much better cooling with stronger fans as well. Those MSI AIOs are just crap
Had the same heat issues with the exact same aio
You know what would be fun, you should invite a viewer to help fix his own system. Just make sure that they already know a decent bit about computers and it would be really fun to see
This is legit so entertaining to watch and informative all at once, props man 👍
Like to see the old aio cleaned and refilled just out of interest. See how it runs
would be very pleasant to see
I was hoping to see that too
That NZXT A.I.O definitely stands out upon first sight more than the MSI one. 2 different colors sure does make a difference.
I think I would have started by throwing an air cooler on and seeing what happened, but I always learn from your vids. I think the fact that you've encountered more weird situations and have more knowledge may have actually sent you down the motherboard road, whereas I've never run into that and it would have never even occurred to me. Now I know that's a possibility though. Thanks for sharing your process!
These videos are SO helpful for us newbies you have no idea man! Thank you for taking the time to make these.
Word of advice for cooler troubleshooting, just lay the case on its side and set an air cooler on it. Gravity is enough to hold it down and see if the other cooler is bad.
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He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
I love NBA Anna.#垃圾
Was about to post this. I would have done this with a tower cooler first thing. But had he did that it would have been a short video.
Exactly what i had in mind for testing this specific pc in this video.
But then he wouldn't have a full video of content. 😁 You don't think he knew that would have been the quickest and easiest fix? Gotta drag that video out.
Clowns like yall will find anytbing to complain about. Watch out! We got some real einsteins here!
I would’ve switched out the cooler before swapping out the motherboard or cpu. It’s the easiest first option however I’ve literally disassembled a whole rig only to find out I had a the usb header in backwards initially. Thought it was everything but that lmao
I've torn down a whole build just to find out the power button on the case was misaligned with the front panel pcb. That was a disaster.
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Switching out the cooler as the first step would have resulted in a 2 minute video 😅
I work in PC technical support and I really appreciate how you break down how you troubleshoot these PCs for your viewers. Even seasoned PC enjoyers will have a pretty small sample set of troubleshooting experience so I can definitely recommend this series for people to learn some of the common problems to look for.
Yeah but he really did this backwards, if there’s a cooling problem first thing to check is the aio or cpu fan. Not the mobo or cpu first.
I'm going through this right now, thank you for this series because it helps me narrow down what other things could be wrong before I go spending heaps of money to replace things that may not need to be replaced.
Thanks for the excellent content Greg
Conclusion : Stick with brands that have been making cpu coolers for a long time and have the experience too avoid this kind of failures
I just found this series, and I have to say, I've become a fan! I've been building my own desktops for 20 years now, but there's always something new to learn, and I've definitely learned some new things here. Thanks, Greg!
Love the content bro! Very cool idea for a series and the van tour idea would be awesome as well!! Keep up the great work man.
I'm glad I saw this because I have always had my reservations about water cooling. You can't see what's going on inside, and now I see that you can grow a little farm in there, and never thought water and electric was a good combo. I'll stick with my tried-and-true air cooling, at least you know immediately when there's a problem.
I have no clue why aio's are so popular when you hear every other day about an aio breaking and needing to be replaced. You shouldn't use water cooling at all unless you really need extreme cooling because it's way more work than it's worth to maintain
@@sebaschan-uwu I agree
Agree with you as well. This video is a great argument against AIO coolers.
I'm no expert but my automotive experience made me tought that the coolant wasn't circulating appropriately (or wasn't in sufficient volume) because of the temp imagery at 17:25. The radiator temp doesn't seem to progressively go down along the surface of the radiator. It seems to drop suddenly past a certain point. But then again, I might be totally wrong in my interpretation of the thermal image and it's just coincidence.
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Anna is a beautiful girl.
He's the person I love, he's my light
day. The way the music flows and sounds
is extravagant and fun. Anna is
icon, legend, beautiful girl, princess, inspiration,
a star. I could go on and on, understand this.
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That's what I thought as well, should have been some heat indication over the length of the radiator. Was wondering why it suddenly stopped there
Man I really love this playlist, Honestly learned a ton from Season 1. Hope you keep this series going, good luck Greg!
Greg great video. I love the series. Really helpful to see how you fault find and even the professionals can make mistakes. I've not had much luck AIO coolers and If I had been confronted with this issue I would of changed the cooler and maybe used a heatsink and fan to confirm it was the AIO. What do you think is the typical life span of a AIO?
Greg you're a legend! Fix and flop of your channel is very entertaining and educational for all of our pc heads out there.
Now thats adorable, getting your kid in there and letting him spend some time with his pa. Good Job Greg.
you should do a followup video deep cleaning that aio, swapping in the coolant, and fixing it! You can do that right? Never looked into how to change the fluid in an AIO or if that is even possible
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It's possible, but often times cumbersome and sometimes while attempting that, ya end up cutting the tubes too short anddd it will always end up looking worse unless it has a fill port. Or a way to detach the tubes in a non destructive manner. That later part is rare as well.
Also to expand a bit, sometimes ya can fill it through the jet plate, but annoying as hell.
@@Dracossaint thanks for the response! yeah, I figured they are designed to not be opened... But that never stops the internet. I do think one company put out an AIO with a fill port. Hopefully that becomes the norm
bro, watched this when it came out for fun. actually came in very handy today! the exact issue had me stumped! thank you so much you were the only one i found this solution through saved me hundreds of dollars!
Fully agree with some of the comments below. Refreshing about the honesty when it comes to advertisement and sponsors. Good on you Greg
Love your new helper. Hope he can help your troubleshoot more in the future. His opinions were definitely invaluable.
I feel like you've really found your niche here. I am addicted to watching fix or flop! It's so informative!
Just discovered this channel. Pure gold. Am soon to build my first rig. Feeling super confident now.
Once again you deliver Greg! Absolutely entertainable, informative and amazing video, as usual! :)
Keep up the good work my dude! :)
Great vid Greg!! I enjoyed it and this is why I have stayed away from AIO in my builds. I like the simplicity of a standard air tower cooler.
at 1:09 the cat's like wtf is that smell coming out come AIO and left XD
thanks for the helpful videos greg so much information in this series ! keep thevideos coming
Amazing video, literally a day after watching this my msi mag cooler started doing the same thing, after watching this video I had the confidence to take apart the aio and refill it, it had the same white gunk inside it, big shout out to Greg for showing how easy it is to dismantle the aio! The temps immediately dropped, so thanks Greg keep up the great content!!
you should not be refilling an aio like that.... you're guaranteed to have the same issue in the future.
Great video! I’ve always had trouble with MSI AIO’s. The tear down was super helpful, thanks!
Thanks for this video Greg, I had a i9 13 900k running at temps of nearing 100 degrees with a 9 month old AIO. With exact same issues, replaced with an alternative and now getting more comfortable temps of 60 max load, so thank you.
Thank you so much this just happened to me today so after watching this I went bought the parts and replaced it. Works great and not getting hot at all. Again thanks for posting and keep the videos coming.
I know absolutely nothing about how computers work. This was a great video and I feel like I learned a few things about PCs. Seeing the internal workings of one like this really makes me admire the work put into these machines by people like yourself. Great video 👍
Start with a starter budget pc. Learn how to swap out some of the parts which are most just screwing in screws. Have to be gentle pulling out things like the GPU as they only slide in and out one way and can damage your motherboard if you yank it out. Always remember there is a youtube video or google search somewhere that can help. I started with zero knowledge and now ive built a nice gaming pc and have it fully optimized and overclocked myself.
Respect for the transparency of the income.
Respect for changing the motherboard and leaving the ATX size in anyways AND replacing the AIO.
Very respectable and great investigative content!
I would have done exactly the same as you, dismantling the components and finding out what failed would give me a better understanding. By you doing that, shows plus viewers / consumer of these brands, what to expect.
I like this genre. Very interesting for someone with limited diag experience. Maybe you could also do troubleshooting on the software side? Optimizing configs an such? Idk great video!
This is mostly why I try to refrain from AiOs in general. I like the reliability from air coolers knowing that they will be all good. Plus a leak would be very unfortunate
King! I can not agree more with you here, just not worth it, If I want to see if my cooling is working I look at the fan, if it's spinning it's working, I don't even have to open the case or touch it, water cooling is just not worth the trouble, headaces and maintenance.
@@USL.Website tbh man. It mostly comes down to personal preference. I've never had an issue with my aio since I built my pc. I'd say branding is what matters the most. My friends and I have always had a shit experience with msi. So i guessed it was the aio right off the bat. The only good msi product I've had is their monitor. As for the rest of my pc, I use Asus or Corsair. Msi just sucks in general and their quality control is ass.
@@USL.Website tbh man. It mostly comes down to personal preference. I've never had an issue with my aio since I built my pc. I'd say branding is what matters the most. My friends and I have always had a shit experience with msi. So i guessed it was the aio right off the bat. The only good msi product I've had is their monitor. As for the rest of my pc, I use Asus or Corsair. Msi just sucks in general and their quality control is ass.
Yup I like to keep my PC on alot and I can see all of my fans from my chair and I can still add 2 more fans if need be.
@@ThunderMS34 yeah lol. Same. I can see My pc from my bed. However, I can't add anymore fans, unless I mount my rad to the front and upsize to 420mm aio. Currently got a h115i capellix with the lcd and I've never had issues with my aio. Personally, I'd avoid msi aios and Asus aios. But other than that. Ur chilling. It also depends on how much ur paying right. The more u spend, the better quality and more features u get. Msi makes good monitors but aios, and cases aren't their thing.
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you went through a lot to get this fixed! good job, have a sub!!
I love these series. Helps me learn what to do and not to do
I enjoy his content. Helping and still being able to make a living for himself is admirable. Great job Greg! Keep it up!
I had the same problem with the same exact aio... ironically if I was to tap on the rad pretty hard I would see temps drop instantly. I swore the pump was dying but I was seeing full rpm on monitoring software.
MSI has issued a formal recall! See Tom's Hardware's front page. You should get a brand-new replacement.
You see a drop because all the microbes in there are jamming up the inside of the pump over and over, you hit it and it knocks some of the sludge loose, but then it reclogs again, over and over.
I love this channel. You do a great job finding out what makes a system broken. I'm also in Orlando and if one of mine craps out I will let you figure it out.
I love these videos, really enjoy your channel. Well done
Watching while at school competition💪🏾 Got to support !
Much appreciated!
I felt fairly certain it was the AIO. In this type of situation where high temps are involved, my first plan of attack is to swap out the AIO for a more tradional air cooler like a hyper 212.
Just wanted to comment on this because of our avatars, lol. But you made a good point there.
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I personally thought it was the CPU or a mounting error. I'm really surprised it was the AIO actually. Normally when the AIO fails it takes longer for the temps to build up that high because of all the thermal mass of the water even if not moving. Getting over 100 degrees just booting to desktop was pretty insane.
Yeah, not everyone has a spare motherboard or cpu to swap and test. I would have stuck on a traditional heatsink cooler. Would have been the easier swap too. And cheaper if you need to get one.
In the FLIR images BOTH tubes were hot yellow ! You should have a hot one and a cool one. I was yelling at the screen, 'No don't replace the MB' !
By far one of the best PC channels out there, this is like Car Wheeler Dealers for PC's.... Discovery should take note, you are the Ed China of PC's, knowledgeable, honest, entertaining and FUN to watch
really have loved your series so far.. cant believe you didnt swap to a standard air cooled cpu cooler off the bat!!! my very first opinion was no coolant in it!! but your disecting of the AIO was very interesting, defiantly a QC issue
From my own experience even a non working but none clogged AiO it'd still give you better temps than what he was seeing here so if is heard the pump going I'd also not have gone straight to taking it off, would have got there eventually as Gregg did.
Best proof why you should use an aircooler. All aios end up like that, especially the ones with cooper block and aluminum rad.
I rarely like a content, but the way you actually looked for the problem and fixed it, is absolutely amazing ngl!
Thanks for giving it a chance!
That was a very nice entertaining video.
Good job with the trouble shoot!
I know this is not a common problem with water cooling, but i never use anything other than air cooling in my rigs. Noctua has never let me down and I always trust their coolers for my builds.
I’ve owned 3 Water Coolers in 15 years.. I don’t mean that in a good way, they each lasted < year and I went back to air cooling,
I didn’t have any luck with it
Again, Air Cooling has never let anyone down unless they don’t keep their system somewhat clean and dust free, or the fan breaks, in which case, not the end of the world either if your case cooking is quite adequate temps will definitely rise but, you still have active cooling happening
I've heard a couple of bad things with this specific AIO. This video confirms it. Avoid MSI AIOs at all cost. But their motherboards are nice though. Great video. We learn something new everyday.
The user made a mistake by placing the pump higher than the radiator. There are enough videos on RUclips explaining that this will eventually cause pump failure and what you just saw was on the edge of a dying pump. Air got stuck in there and caused damage as seen on the video. The biological reaction is because of the air getting in there due to the pump/radiator placements.
In short : user didn't use the aio right. That shouldn't affect the reputation of MSI pumps. Enough people using it without any problem. The biggest mistake is using a itx in a ATX case..
The user didn‘t place the AIO pump wrong… This is not an AIO pump/ Block combo. The pump is in the Radiator so you cannot place your pump yourself. The location is fixed and so you have liberty on how high you place the Block. Here you ca see QC error NOT an user error☺️
@@deniz280 the answer above is for your commet
@@deniz280 No these AIO's are garbage. I had mine tubes down, which doesn't even matter anyway cause the pump is in the radiator and it did the exact same thing. They're just trash, I replaced mine with a liquid freezer 2 and it was fixed immediately.
Great content! Love the fact you opened up the AIO to inspect.
Building and learning about pc on your channel to build my own flight sim pc started with a pc a friend sold me but I appreciate the channel trouble shooting got a follow if I can learn something I can maybe save money down the line when I see how other peoples build have failed and what not to use vs what to use. Thanks keep up the awesome work!
Thanks for your great content Greg. Having been building/repairing hardware for years, why didn't just put an air cooler on as that would have shown you right away where your problem lay.
First time watching him but that short introduction from being real with financial gains gave me respect
I had a Corsair H100i do this very thing. Had the aio for about 4 years and all of a sudden, the CPU was overheating and shutting down. Swapped to an air cooler and the pc was fine. Took the H100i apart and just crud caked up in the channels. Love these type of videos Greg! Keep it up!
Great content. Very instructive. Appreciate you showing the process.
Thanks so much for watching!
This was like taking your car to a garage for popped tires and they start fixing it by replacing the doors and engine first ...
NEVER would've thought it was the coolant. I thought that it was either the AIO being too tight or the pump was dead. Great vid!
What do you mean by being too tight?
@@YTRINX I meant the pump being screwed in too tight to the CPU. Sometimes overtightening could be an issue.
Good fix! Glad you took apart the AIO. Your kid is adorable!
Got a new subscriber here. Love your explanation and process. Amazing work!
You are really inspiring man. I appreciate the work you do.
instantly thought it was the aio but you had me second guessing myself xD i know you said you were frustrated with how long it was taking, but i want you to know that it was worth it. best fix or flop so far. the fact that you showed everything you tried and said why you were trying it. keep it up man
The obvious culprit in this situation is the cooler, then escalating from there CPU and then Motherboard, he missed critical steps of trying a known working cooler to start with as well as clearing cmos to remove any potential overclocks etc. This guy is supposed to be experienced? I don't see any of that experience coming through in this video....
LOVE these videos. Stumbled upon them through TikTok. LOVE the breakdowns. Recently build my 1st PC ever and went big with i9-13900ks, MSI Trio X 4090 & Z790
Had insane heating and realized it was my top mounted LT720 (3-fan) on a Pop Air XL that has an opening for only TWO fans 🤦🏽
Temps weren't pleasant before that.
Recommending your channel to everyone!
I realize I'm a year late but awesome video, thanks. Very entertaining especially taking apart the cooler to figure out what happened, thanks again