Just to note, the Romans did not actually salt the earth, this is rumor and exaggeration. I have been corrected. Video Question: Who did you side with at the end of Honest Hearts, Joshua Graham or Daniel? Drop it below ↓↓↓↓
Graham. Did the Daniel path once for the achievement and actually laughed when we ran into salt-upon-wounds. He really doesn't seem to understand anything about how the world actually works.
Always Joshua as I feel Daniel is trying to make amends for past mistakes by running away & could be making new ones, blinded by a grass is greener on the other side mentality.
Agreed on both ends, Daniel does not seem like his ideals are made for the harsh world he lives in. He'll just be taken advantage of time and time again.
I wished there was more nuance in the endings, fighting the white legs off is the better choice imo and most players it seems. I think Daniel is wrong but I like him and can understand his view. I also would of liked it if you could find out more about how sorrows feel about leaving zion or staying to fight. Also it would have been better if there was an option to help the whitelegs if you were sided with the legion.
I’m from the land of the new Canaanites, Utah. The Mormons have a very strong disaster preparedness culture, requiring upwards of 2 years of food per household, and the church itself has bunkers in the mountains and lord knows how much food and guns. If any religion would stick around, it’d be the canaanites
Shame there’s hasn’t been a mod in New Vegas that has you and the some new canaanites retake new canaan. Basically a “we will take Jerusalem” scenario.
@@nvRanger I personally recommend never playing that mod, not the least reason being the modder who created it is a Russian national who relied heavily on google translate for text and conversation trees, and that's probably the least of it's many failures.
My favourite DLC just look up at the night sky or look at the landscape from a high point or even stand still when it rains after spending so much time in the Mojave, it always feels like a place touched by something special compared to the devastated lands outside it's borders.
I’m LDS from Utah. I generally can laugh about when mainstream media pokes fun at my religion (South Park, for instance -which I watched a lot as a teenager). But it’s a breath of fresh air to see something that simply treats it as what it is, a religion, especially in a video game series that I love! The devs really took care to consider the historical and cultural impact (good or bad) of the Latter-day Saints on the region without being patronizing or condescending. It’s fun to hear about my otherwise-overlooked-in-popular-culture neck of the woods and visualize what my world looks like now compared to what it would look like in the wasteland 200ish years from now. Makes me feel seen a little bit, you know?
One of the big problems lore wise that Honest Hearts has is it was relying on no less then 6 different proposed games that were supposed to take place in the area, one of which had a single mission supposedly in it (Fallout Tactics, before anyone asks) and to be blunt I'm not sure they ever really settled on any cohesive lore for the area in setting. When you look just into the changes on the characters of Joshua Graham/ the burned/hanged/ man alone, you really get the feeling we're lucky we ever got the honest hearts DLC to begin with. In some ways, I think the obvious lack of preperation was to that DLC's specific benefit because there's no good way to say this: I'm not sure the new vegas devs ever really settled on *how* they wanted to portray their version of Utah. This lead Honest Hearts to in many ways ultimately become one specific character's story. I honestly believe they put the character of Daniel in as an afterthought, and to be honest, I think you could've removed him from the story and not changed much at all.
I agree with you here, especially about Daniel. Guy doesn’t even have a last name and he’s pretty bland. Most people probably won’t side w him just because he’s a fraction of the character Graham is.
Although New Canaan has sadly been destroyed by the white legs I would love to learn about the New Canaanites. A group of Christian’s who are pacifists can handle themselves in the wasteland. In my head canon after my Courier took over New Vegas he helped the New Canaanites and kept tabs on them.
It's awesome to see a game that represents it's topics with the level of care and maturity that New Vegas so often does. They don't force it down your throat, but they don't make it the butt of any joke.
Small point of order, 9:10 -- the historical Roman legion never actually did that, the story of "salting the fields" at Carthage is basically a Renaissance fairy tale... at the time of the Second Punic War, Roman soldiers were *paid in salt* (the English word 'salary' comes from the Latin word for salt, 'sal')... not to mention the fact that Rome had just conquered Carthage, and destroying the fertility of fields which you now own out of spite for the people who used to own them is utterly ridiculous haha... That being said, however, Caesar's Legion isn't based on "historical Rome" but on Edward Sallow's understanding of Rome, which may have included salty fields lol
@@nvRanger no worries man, I studied Latin for 4 years in high school and 2 in college, I have to try to find any way I can to tangentially use what I learned so I can pretend it wasn't pointless hahahaha... but all pedantry aside, I found your channel recently (in the past few days) and I've been really enjoying watching your content, please keep up the good work!
Awesome of you to say and feel free to correct away. I’m not above it. Appreciate the knowledge as well. Love history, and I should have dug a little deeper because there are tons of sources that clarify the salting of Carthage wasn’t true.
@@nvRanger well converts are a powerful tool. Todd wont do something as funny/insightful but some version of neo Mormonism based on Graham and Daniel acting as a sort of "new Joseph Smith" would possibly set out a real and growing religion in New California.
Oh another idea regarding the clothes would be it may see how regions adapt when a necessary part of their faith is gone. Without new clothes they couldn’t make their magic underwear. So possibly vault tec was seeing how they’d react?
@@nvRangerim lds so its not “magic underwear” lol but think of it as the same concept as to why muslims wear hijab or jews with the little hat thing. We call them temple garments and you can wear them after we do what we call our endowment.
@@hunterrandolph2036 Yea I had to do a little research after readding the initial comment. Appreciate the insight. Are the garments worn under normal clothing or is it like bedwear?
A return of Joshua in another game or DLC i dont think would be a good thing for the character and lore. But a cameo or something, the player gets aeverely injured on journey. You get picked up by a mysterious figure, nursed to health, fading in and out of conciousness, you hear that iconic voice preaching a bilble verse about shepparding the injured in their time of need, you wake up heathly to a bag of supplies and either a 1911 or the survivalist rifle (paying homage to the story of the survivalist helping the injured tribals)
Personally, in Heart Heart, i sided with Joshua and spared Salt Upon Wound. The reason simply being it the best ending for Joshua as a individual and the tribal of the area as a whole. I love the idea of nuance and such but Daniel plan only result in the temporary safety of the 3 tribes (Sorrow, New Canaanites and Dead Horse), the White Legs wouldn't be peg down and wouldn't be caught down a leg by the 80s tribe, allow them to continue their plunder as they did in Zion leading to the likely destruction of dead horse point too. Joshua ending allow the White Legs to be neutralized and beat down by the 80s, the 80s being far less of a threat to Zion (knowing they primary a mechanized raider from lore). It also have to be said that Joshua become far less aggressive if you choice to spare Salt Upon Wound, leading to him not making the Dead Horse too militaristic, avoid getting the conflict with the Sorrow to be overblown.
Man i would love to play a version of van buren, or just any new black isle made fallout game to experience more stories like this completely disconnected from the brotherhood or the mainline game plots
Does anyone know of the Vatican/ Italy was in existence in the fallout world? If it was, I highly doubt it got nuked since it would have no military value. It would be hilarious if a bunch of Italian Catholics took over Europe and later started invading post war America in some future game. Christianity is such a big part of our shared history, it’s strangely absent from the Fallout universe, which makes me wonder if Christianity is different in this alternate world.
man Catholicism in post apocalypse is metal af, especially reviving the crusaders but with robots lol oh dont forget the swiss army too. yeah i wonder that too, its very absent from the lore as of now, maybe in future games, we will get mentioned of it
You’re right, you think it would have survived in the Vaults, but people have taken on others faiths or just lost faith. You’d think people would lean into faith more given how difficult life must be in the wastes and how much more isolated people are.
@@nvRanger bro thank you for putting out so much. i love your videos and ive been jumping at every opportunity to watch them. i usually only like videos like songs and stuff so i can find them later but ive found myself liking all of yours. i can easily see you becoming the next oxhorn or radking.
@@nvRanger well, new vegas is a one of a kind type of game. All dlcs make ur toes curl but this one really gets into the tribal aspect of post war America and I am all in for it. Plus, THE FUCKING BURNED MAN IS A G🤣🔥
@@nvRanger ye I’ve seen that, it’s nuts, I just wish Bethesda would smoke the same thing they smoked while writing New vegas and the burned man ex-legate Graham.
Ohhhh my friend, Bethesda did not make Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, or New Vegas. Different developers. That’s why those games are so different from 3, 4, and 76.
I recorded that directly from the dlc via in game dialogue, but I am using various cut content mods. It’s possible it was added by those, but I assumed they only touched the base game.
The reason the suit extruders were designed to fail was to fuck with their sense of modesty. In the Mormon religion modesty is a really big deal growing up in Utah it was really common to hear the phrase "modest is hottest" from kids who went to seminary (basically a free period where they would go to a nearby church). In fact Mormons have special clothing that is worn under your regular clothes called "temple garments". Think of it as how Catholics wear a crucifix. Also they are supposed to be buried in these temple garments and if the extruders that create their everyday clothes stop working it's safe to say that they wouldn't have a way to get new garments incense you're supposed to be buried with them it would cause an issue for future Generations
Honest Hearth is simultaneously the worst DLC and my favourite. Just can't beat Zion as a location and Joshua Graham hard carries as fallouts best character.
Eventually the tribe would split apart and fade away as they switch from New Canaanites to NCR citizens, in a generation that would be gone, then eventually the religion gets replaced by new found faith in the republic, which leads to patriotism. Some might join the army, some might try farming or run a ranch etc... But the tribe that left vault 70 would be dead in bond, culture and ideology.
Exactly what Daniel said. Especially considering their small (30ish) numbers. There’s a chance they somehow hold strong and isolate themselves within the borders, maybe go to the frontier. The risk remains high nonetheless.
@@nvRanger It would be the biggest breach of trust in history and would start many conflicts ending with the lost of many human lives, but thank goodness thats not the case.
i dont get how people find this DLC so amazing josher gram was amazing but the setting the tribes sucked didn't feel like fallout at all if they wanted tribe people they should have made them like the khans
With them being in a national park the tribes are going to be more primal/tribal due to lack of modern resources. I always looked at it that way. They reverted to native ways
@@poopgobbler5415 JSawyer's Germanophile conquest of the Navajo is one of the worst parts of HH. The notion that we Navajo, a people with a strong cultural/ethnic identity and oral tradition who managed to survive the war would see oue language and culture subsumed by the German of a few tourists we deigned to shelter is just maddening to me as a Navajo. And The Sorrows having a conlang even though they're descended from a group of literate children who were raised in some sort of facility, "The Survivalist" Randall Clark even went so far as to give them textbooks on science, medicine and the like to help them survive. The fact that a group of literate people who should value and preserve that literacy, would turn into backwards illiterate tribals is a transformation that goes unexplained in-universe and can only be explained by the game design necessity that they had to become rock-banging tribals afraid of caves and wooden shacks in order to let the contents of those caves lie undisturbed for the player to recover. The Dead Horses are, to me, arguably worse because their conlang is a combination of German and Diné, the Navajo language. The logical outcome of the Navajo Nation sheltering a few German tourists in the aftermath of nuclear war is not that the Navajo identity and language would be subsumed by the German tourists', but vice versa. Though almost certainly unintentional, there is a very Euro-centric, colonial "white man's burden" sort of mindset baked into the idea that us Navajos could be so incompetent and so fragile in our cultural identity that we'd need German tourists to guide us through the new post-nuclear world. Today's we number around 400,000 and about 100,000 of our tribal members speak Diné bizaad; we're one of, if not the largest extant indigenous societies left in North America. Despite the US military and BIA actively trying to destroy our cultural identity, language, etc. for over a century through ethnic cleansing and assimilation, yet we've survived with far more intact than most indigenous peoples can say for themselves. The notion that we Navajo, of all people, would forget ourselves or our ways when Bostonians are running around dressed like colonial militia and the Brotherhood of Steel are, in House's words, "gallivanting around the Mojave like knights of yore," despite being less connected to those histories and cultures than we Navajo people are to our own culture and language, carries a TON of racist baggage. Not that I'm stating racism was the main takeaway from the story, despite the fact that the story is a classic "white savior" narrative about two white missionaries leading seemingly Indigenous "tribes," who also fit the "noble savage" trope. Not denying that the game isn't progressive either, it is pretty progressive, especially in the context of the time it was made. I mean, it is a game with openly gay characters whose homosexuality isn't their only personality trait,. Doesn't change the fact that these tropes are present and I'm sure you're aware but these types of tropes and problematic depictions are so widespread that even relatively progressive people frequently have a blind spot for them. Hell, the one trope that the base game most strongly plays into is the narrative of the "vanishing Indian", yet I rarely see that discussed. For a place named after the Mojave people, they're quite literally nowhere to be found, on top of that there's literally zero Indigenous iconography. Yet if you go anywhere in the southwest US, it's the exact opposite. For example, every gas station has signs telling us we can use our tribal cards as ID instead of state issued ID.
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Just to note, the Romans did not actually salt the earth, this is rumor and exaggeration. I have been corrected.
Video Question: Who did you side with at the end of Honest Hearts, Joshua Graham or Daniel? Drop it below ↓↓↓↓
Graham. Did the Daniel path once for the achievement and actually laughed when we ran into salt-upon-wounds. He really doesn't seem to understand anything about how the world actually works.
Always Joshua as I feel Daniel is trying to make amends for past mistakes by running away & could be making new ones, blinded by a grass is greener on the other side mentality.
Agreed on both ends, Daniel does not seem like his ideals are made for the harsh world he lives in. He'll just be taken advantage of time and time again.
Salt bae has never been so disappointed as today.
I wished there was more nuance in the endings, fighting the white legs off is the better choice imo and most players it seems. I think Daniel is wrong but I like him and can understand his view. I also would of liked it if you could find out more about how sorrows feel about leaving zion or staying to fight. Also it would have been better if there was an option to help the whitelegs if you were sided with the legion.
I’m from the land of the new Canaanites, Utah. The Mormons have a very strong disaster preparedness culture, requiring upwards of 2 years of food per household, and the church itself has bunkers in the mountains and lord knows how much food and guns. If any religion would stick around, it’d be the canaanites
Damn bro, I didn’t know that I’m from PC
Awesome to hear from someone on the inside. Always impressed with how much Fallout can draw from reality despite being fiction.
definitely interesting to see as a utahn with mostly lds (mormon) family. i always loved how the 1911 was tied into the lore
@@KrustyBarnacle Must be wild to see not only locations, but also a familiar religion represented in a video game.
holy damn thats actually awesome
We can't expect God to do all the work.
Blasphemy
Shame there’s hasn’t been a mod in New Vegas that has you and the some new canaanites retake new canaan. Basically a “we will take Jerusalem” scenario.
I know there’s a mod called Salt Lake Stories. Not sure it covers what you said. Feel like they could made a whole other expansion on New Canaan.
@@nvRanger I personally recommend never playing that mod, not the least reason being the modder who created it is a Russian national who relied heavily on google translate for text and conversation trees, and that's probably the least of it's many failures.
Yea I recall reading people having technical issues/mixed feeling and I already run precarious load orders as is 😅. Appreciate the heads up.
My favourite DLC just look up at the night sky or look at the landscape from a high point or even stand still when it rains after spending so much time in the Mojave, it always feels like a place touched by something special compared to the devastated lands outside it's borders.
Agreed, it’s a great contrast to the rest of the game. So peaceful and scenic in many moments. Isolated from the bombs.
I’m LDS from Utah. I generally can laugh about when mainstream media pokes fun at my religion (South Park, for instance -which I watched a lot as a teenager). But it’s a breath of fresh air to see something that simply treats it as what it is, a religion, especially in a video game series that I love!
The devs really took care to consider the historical and cultural impact (good or bad) of the Latter-day Saints on the region without being patronizing or condescending.
It’s fun to hear about my otherwise-overlooked-in-popular-culture neck of the woods and visualize what my world looks like now compared to what it would look like in the wasteland 200ish years from now. Makes me feel seen a little bit, you know?
One of the big problems lore wise that Honest Hearts has is it was relying on no less then 6 different proposed games that were supposed to take place in the area, one of which had a single mission supposedly in it (Fallout Tactics, before anyone asks) and to be blunt I'm not sure they ever really settled on any cohesive lore for the area in setting.
When you look just into the changes on the characters of Joshua Graham/ the burned/hanged/ man alone, you really get the feeling we're lucky we ever got the honest hearts DLC to begin with. In some ways, I think the obvious lack of preperation was to that DLC's specific benefit because there's no good way to say this: I'm not sure the new vegas devs ever really settled on *how* they wanted to portray their version of Utah. This lead Honest Hearts to in many ways ultimately become one specific character's story. I honestly believe they put the character of Daniel in as an afterthought, and to be honest, I think you could've removed him from the story and not changed much at all.
I agree with you here, especially about Daniel. Guy doesn’t even have a last name and he’s pretty bland. Most people probably won’t side w him just because he’s a fraction of the character Graham is.
Although New Canaan has sadly been destroyed by the white legs I would love to learn about the New Canaanites. A group of Christian’s who are pacifists can handle themselves in the wasteland. In my head canon after my Courier took over New Vegas he helped the New Canaanites and kept tabs on them.
Definitely would be cool to see them reach a nation state status on a similar but smaller level to the NCR and Legion.
thats my headcanon too, also keep tabs on joshua's faction
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some of the only positive christian representation in modern media, incredible story
And it’s the fucking Mormons
You mean positive Mormon representation in modern media because I don't know where you seeing movies about hating christians all the time
What about God not dead?
FNV is far from modern. Honestly, neither Skyrim or fallout 4 can be considered modern anymore.
It's awesome to see a game that represents it's topics with the level of care and maturity that New Vegas so often does. They don't force it down your throat, but they don't make it the butt of any joke.
Small point of order, 9:10 -- the historical Roman legion never actually did that, the story of "salting the fields" at Carthage is basically a Renaissance fairy tale... at the time of the Second Punic War, Roman soldiers were *paid in salt* (the English word 'salary' comes from the Latin word for salt, 'sal')... not to mention the fact that Rome had just conquered Carthage, and destroying the fertility of fields which you now own out of spite for the people who used to own them is utterly ridiculous haha... That being said, however, Caesar's Legion isn't based on "historical Rome" but on Edward Sallow's understanding of Rome, which may have included salty fields lol
Good correction, thanks 🙏
@@nvRanger no worries man, I studied Latin for 4 years in high school and 2 in college, I have to try to find any way I can to tangentially use what I learned so I can pretend it wasn't pointless hahahaha... but all pedantry aside, I found your channel recently (in the past few days) and I've been really enjoying watching your content, please keep up the good work!
Awesome of you to say and feel free to correct away. I’m not above it. Appreciate the knowledge as well.
Love history, and I should have dug a little deeper because there are tons of sources that clarify the salting of Carthage wasn’t true.
Outro was nice, cherry on top of the ice cream.
Great videos keep it up!
Thanks man, appreciate it.
I forgot New Cannan was reduced to 30 people. It’s sad
Hard to imagine they rebuild from that, but it's possible.
@@nvRanger well converts are a powerful tool. Todd wont do something as funny/insightful but some version of neo Mormonism based on Graham and Daniel acting as a sort of "new Joseph Smith" would possibly set out a real and growing religion in New California.
I didn’t consider that enough. Joshua could even take a page out of Caesar’s book and start converting the tribes around them.
For sure that there would be more mormon communities around New Canaan and in the whole state of Utah
It seems to me that, like the BoS, the New Canaanite faction might be inspired by "A Canticle For Leibowitz" as well
Definitely possible. Need to read that book at some point given its influence.
@@nvRanger I've been reading roadside picnic in the past days. I've downloaded ACFL as well, next on the list!
That’s another one. So many good books behind the inspiration of the universe.
Love it. Currently in Zion on my play through rn 🤣
One day I’ll play New Vegas again instead of making videos about it
Amazing stuff, man. Love the intros too, keep it up!
Intros are a joy to make. Thanks for the feedback
Oh another idea regarding the clothes would be it may see how regions adapt when a necessary part of their faith is gone. Without new clothes they couldn’t make their magic underwear. So possibly vault tec was seeing how they’d react?
lmao I can't tell if your being serious and its making the comment that much better
@@nvRangerim lds so its not “magic underwear” lol but think of it as the same concept as to why muslims wear hijab or jews with the little hat thing. We call them temple garments and you can wear them after we do what we call our endowment.
@@hunterrandolph2036 Yea I had to do a little research after readding the initial comment. Appreciate the insight. Are the garments worn under normal clothing or is it like bedwear?
@@nvRanger under, so like an undershirt and underwear worn with normal stuff on top
I thought I recognized that background music. Another great choice. 👍
Thanks, Far Cry 5 got some banger tunes. Thought it fit the religious New Canaan video.
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A return of Joshua in another game or DLC i dont think would be a good thing for the character and lore. But a cameo or something, the player gets aeverely injured on journey. You get picked up by a mysterious figure, nursed to health, fading in and out of conciousness, you hear that iconic voice preaching a bilble verse about shepparding the injured in their time of need, you wake up heathly to a bag of supplies and either a 1911 or the survivalist rifle (paying homage to the story of the survivalist helping the injured tribals)
I watched a couple videos and really enjoyed them, liked and subbed lets blow your channel up!
Love that attitude, cool of you to say. Thanks 🙏
Either salt lake city or Memphis is where I think fallout 5 should be set it would be so cool to see what new Canaan was like before it was destroyed
If they every do a Fallout: Memphis, I swear to god there better be a fallout Pharaoh living in that pyramid hahaha
We gotta eventually see Fallout head to the south. I could easily see an Egyptian like cult with a pyramid made from old world rubble as well.
Personally, in Heart Heart, i sided with Joshua and spared Salt Upon Wound. The reason simply being it the best ending for Joshua as a individual and the tribal of the area as a whole. I love the idea of nuance and such but Daniel plan only result in the temporary safety of the 3 tribes (Sorrow, New Canaanites and Dead Horse), the White Legs wouldn't be peg down and wouldn't be caught down a leg by the 80s tribe, allow them to continue their plunder as they did in Zion leading to the likely destruction of dead horse point too.
Joshua ending allow the White Legs to be neutralized and beat down by the 80s, the 80s being far less of a threat to Zion (knowing they primary a mechanized raider from lore). It also have to be said that Joshua become far less aggressive if you choice to spare Salt Upon Wound, leading to him not making the Dead Horse too militaristic, avoid getting the conflict with the Sorrow to be overblown.
Commenting for algorithm also good video back to back
Certified cool guy thing to do 👌 thank you.
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Thank you 🙏 the comments are appreciated
Man i would love to play a version of van buren, or just any new black isle made fallout game to experience more stories like this completely disconnected from the brotherhood or the mainline game plots
You can play an unfinished version of Van Buren. I did a while back, but it was quite limited if I recall correctly.
Does anyone know of the Vatican/ Italy was in existence in the fallout world? If it was, I highly doubt it got nuked since it would have no military value. It would be hilarious if a bunch of Italian Catholics took over Europe and later started invading post war America in some future game. Christianity is such a big part of our shared history, it’s strangely absent from the Fallout universe, which makes me wonder if Christianity is different in this alternate world.
man Catholicism in post apocalypse is metal af, especially reviving the crusaders but with robots lol oh dont forget the swiss army too. yeah i wonder that too, its very absent from the lore as of now, maybe in future games, we will get mentioned of it
You’re right, you think it would have survived in the Vaults, but people have taken on others faiths or just lost faith.
You’d think people would lean into faith more given how difficult life must be in the wastes and how much more isolated people are.
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I can only pump out so much 😂 I’m a busy guy. Thank you tho
@@nvRanger bro thank you for putting out so much. i love your videos and ive been jumping at every opportunity to watch them. i usually only like videos like songs and stuff so i can find them later but ive found myself liking all of yours. i can easily see you becoming the next oxhorn or radking.
Really kind words, means a lot and motivates me to keep at it. Appreciate you man 🙏
Best dlc
It's up there for me, hard to choose from the NV options.
@@nvRanger well, new vegas is a one of a kind type of game. All dlcs make ur toes curl but this one really gets into the tribal aspect of post war America and I am all in for it. Plus, THE FUCKING BURNED MAN IS A G🤣🔥
JG is easily one of the best Fallout characters. I swear there are so many 100k-1m view videos just of his dialogue and music, it’s wild.
@@nvRanger ye I’ve seen that, it’s nuts, I just wish Bethesda would smoke the same thing they smoked while writing New vegas and the burned man ex-legate Graham.
Ohhhh my friend, Bethesda did not make Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, or New Vegas. Different developers. That’s why those games are so different from 3, 4, and 76.
where/what were the scenes from like 5:40 taken? it looks really cool
This mod right here: www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/66160
@@nvRanger ty!
I played honest hearts recently, and i don't remember the Daniel sayings there were only 30 Mormons left. Is it cut dialog or did i just miss it?
I recorded that directly from the dlc via in game dialogue, but I am using various cut content mods.
It’s possible it was added by those, but I assumed they only touched the base game.
Will this work with the Nova Arizona mod?
This is just lore on New Canaan, not a mod unfortunately
@@nvRanger Oh... My bad.
Plus, whered you get the map? Or did you make that?
np, heres the map
www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en_US&mid=1puuQVpbfh4ofYflJxJPB6iul6JQ&ll=39.63153139886184%2C-84.77711362140184&z=6
The reason the suit extruders were designed to fail was to fuck with their sense of modesty. In the Mormon religion modesty is a really big deal growing up in Utah it was really common to hear the phrase "modest is hottest" from kids who went to seminary (basically a free period where they would go to a nearby church). In fact Mormons have special clothing that is worn under your regular clothes called "temple garments". Think of it as how Catholics wear a crucifix. Also they are supposed to be buried in these temple garments and if the extruders that create their everyday clothes stop working it's safe to say that they wouldn't have a way to get new garments incense you're supposed to be buried with them it would cause an issue for future Generations
Honest Hearth is simultaneously the worst DLC and my favourite. Just can't beat Zion as a location and Joshua Graham hard carries as fallouts best character.
Big agree there, it feels unfinished while also containing one of the most unique locations and coolest characters in Fallout.
If they settled in NCR, how would they lose their identity? NCR is tolerant to worship, right?
Eventually the tribe would split apart and fade away as they switch from New Canaanites to NCR citizens, in a generation that would be gone, then eventually the religion gets replaced by new found faith in the republic, which leads to patriotism. Some might join the army, some might try farming or run a ranch etc... But the tribe that left vault 70 would be dead in bond, culture and ideology.
Exactly what Daniel said. Especially considering their small (30ish) numbers.
There’s a chance they somehow hold strong and isolate themselves within the borders, maybe go to the frontier. The risk remains high nonetheless.
WHERE IS THE FAMILY GUY CONTENT OR IM GONNA END IT!!
No no no, don’t do it. It’s okay. It’s on the way. But… what if I told you… I have never sat down and watched an episode?
Joking ofc, but… what if?
@@nvRanger holy crap Lois
@@nvRanger It would be the biggest breach of trust in history and would start many conflicts ending with the lost of many human lives, but thank goodness thats not the case.
There’s an people in real life that actually believe Utah was the real promised land from the Bible the conspiracy theory goes deep
i dont get how people find this DLC so amazing josher gram was amazing but the setting the tribes sucked didn't feel like fallout at all if they wanted tribe people they should have made them like the khans
The setting and tribes are literally the best part about the dlc
With them being in a national park the tribes are going to be more primal/tribal due to lack of modern resources. I always looked at it that way. They reverted to native ways
I loved the setting, but I also really like Zion irl so i'm biased. It is unique within the Fallout universe and I appreciate it for that.
for me cause its unique from the base game
@@poopgobbler5415 JSawyer's Germanophile conquest of the Navajo is one of the worst parts of HH. The notion that we Navajo, a people with a strong cultural/ethnic identity and oral tradition who managed to survive the war would see oue language and culture subsumed by the German of a few tourists we deigned to shelter is just maddening to me as a Navajo.
And The Sorrows having a conlang even though they're descended from a group of literate children who were raised in some sort of facility, "The Survivalist" Randall Clark even went so far as to give them textbooks on science, medicine and the like to help them survive. The fact that a group of literate people who should value and preserve that literacy, would turn into backwards illiterate tribals is a transformation that goes unexplained in-universe and can only be explained by the game design necessity that they had to become rock-banging tribals afraid of caves and wooden shacks in order to let the contents of those caves lie undisturbed for the player to recover.
The Dead Horses are, to me, arguably worse because their conlang is a combination of German and Diné, the Navajo language. The logical outcome of the Navajo Nation sheltering a few German tourists in the aftermath of nuclear war is not that the Navajo identity and language would be subsumed by the German tourists', but vice versa. Though almost certainly unintentional, there is a very Euro-centric, colonial "white man's burden" sort of mindset baked into the idea that us Navajos could be so incompetent and so fragile in our cultural identity that we'd need German tourists to guide us through the new post-nuclear world. Today's we number around 400,000 and about 100,000 of our tribal members speak Diné bizaad; we're one of, if not the largest extant indigenous societies left in North America. Despite the US military and BIA actively trying to destroy our cultural identity, language, etc. for over a century through ethnic cleansing and assimilation, yet we've survived with far more intact than most indigenous peoples can say for themselves. The notion that we Navajo, of all people, would forget ourselves or our ways when Bostonians are running around dressed like colonial militia and the Brotherhood of Steel are, in House's words, "gallivanting around the Mojave like knights of yore," despite being less connected to those histories and cultures than we Navajo people are to our own culture and language, carries a TON of racist baggage.
Not that I'm stating racism was the main takeaway from the story, despite the fact that the story is a classic "white savior" narrative about two white missionaries leading seemingly Indigenous "tribes," who also fit the "noble savage" trope. Not denying that the game isn't progressive either, it is pretty progressive, especially in the context of the time it was made. I mean, it is a game with openly gay characters whose homosexuality isn't their only personality trait,. Doesn't change the fact that these tropes are present and I'm sure you're aware but these types of tropes and problematic depictions are so widespread that even relatively progressive people frequently have a blind spot for them. Hell, the one trope that the base game most strongly plays into is the narrative of the "vanishing Indian", yet I rarely see that discussed. For a place named after the Mojave people, they're quite literally nowhere to be found, on top of that there's literally zero Indigenous iconography. Yet if you go anywhere in the southwest US, it's the exact opposite. For example, every gas station has signs telling us we can use our tribal cards as ID instead of state issued ID.