I will see what I can find. Aside from Spartacus and "Antiochus", who led slave revolts, there aren't all that many ancient figures quite this colorful, at least when we are speaking of political outsiders.
I really don't see Dio making the man up, he took his work seriously, as he thought a diety wished him to write. Also there would have been people alive who would have known the truth at the time. Considering Dio was put out of the way under Alexander Severus
Thersites, I think you got your dates mixed up. You said Cassius Dio wrote about Bulla Felix "3/4 of a century after Bulla Felix lived". This is impossible since Cassius Dio died in 235 AD. Remember Dio was an advisor for Alexander Severus. Cassius Dio and Bulla Felix were contemporaries. I'm sure you know this already. You probably have alot on your plate and just misspoke.
Damn, you're right. I knew that, LOL. When I was shoring up my Cassius Dio facts, I learned about a Cassius Dio who was Consul in the 290's and I must have still had him on my mind. I was on the verge of creating a very new reading of a Roman historian. :)
@@ThersitestheHistorian Does the fact that they are contemporaries increase the chances of Bulla Felix being a real person? It would seem odd for Cassius Dio to create a fictional character in the present-tense.
@@ThersitestheHistorian Regardless of it's historical accuracy, I could easily picture Cassius Dio telling this story to Alexander Severus and educating him on the importance of good governance. It fits so well with the reign of Alexander Severus. Its just a shame that Alexander didn't have any competent military advisors to help him with the foreign policy aspect. Edit:. Maybe Alexander did have good military advisors but he chose to listen to his mother instead.
Love your channel on history, but your politics demonstrate you don't understand it. It's like my chemistry students doing an easy problem correctly, but being unable to apply the concept to harder problems.
@@ThersitestheHistorian Definitely came off too aggressive. Politics is the application of history. Politics is more complex because hindsight is 20/20. The West turned its back after Berlin, thus allowing Stalin's government to annex Eastern Europe, gain more power and kill millions more. Didn't a situation like this happen in Europe 20 years prior? We apparently can't read Cyrillic so we decided to go to Afghanistan ourselves to see what all the fuss was about. It's not liberals and conservatives tearing down Civil War statues and putting up one of Mao Zedong in Seattle. Progressives, aka The Alt-Left are the biggest culprits into editing history, like the Catholic church of old.
@@NorthernXY I just wrote a long response post and it somehow failed to post. Since I was going to take that long post and use it as the core of a new video on the political applicability of history to politics, I will hold off on that for now and just deal with it in the video. I have to leave town tomorrow, so it may not appear for a couple of weeks, but be on the lookout for a video essay on the topic if you want to know the gist of what I have to say on that subject. To get to your three examples: 1) Stalin cooperated with the Allies from 1942-1945 and the USSR was pretty depleted from the war. Truman believed that Stalin wanted no more trouble. Stalin, however, was paranoid. Churchill exacerbated that paranoia by his bellicose rhetoric to some extent. All three major leaders and most of the minor powers agreed that the key lesson of 1919 was that Germany could not be trusted, which led to the division of the country. The Allies didn't press the territorial issue further because the U.S. public was eager for peace, France was newly restored, Britain was greatly weakened, and it didn't appear necessary to use force.The Cold War didn't begin in earnest until 1947. I am far from convinced that a conflict with Stalin in 1945 would have been less costly than the Cold War. 2) The war in Afghanistan was not fought over a lack of historical understanding. We went there due to Neoconservative ideology and the military-industrial complex. Neocons wanted a base near both Russia and Iran. While Neocons may seem more Republican than Democrat, Neocon foreign policy ideas dominant the thought of people like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Pete Buttigieg, Barack Obama and most other "liberal" or corporate Democrats. Defense contractors like endless wars because that is how they can ensure that the U.S. government will continue to lavish them with money. Recently uncovered documents reveal that generals under all three of the presidents overseeing this conflict have said that they do not understand what we are hoping to achieve in Afghanistan. We went to war to serve the interests of the rich and powerful in this country and we have stayed there for the same reason. 3.) I think that you misidentify what kind of Progressive I am. I don't care about woke culture, cancel culture, policing Twitter, or identity politics. I am the kind of Progressive interested in material policy objectives- if it makes it easier to call me a New Dealer or socialist, then that is fine. In America, political labels seem to lack any kind of hard and fast meaning. Tearing down statues to fight racism is a laughable action. It was clearly a way for otherwise useless politicians like Mitch Landrieu to pretend to care without having to do anything substantive. The way to fight racism is to address its causes and effects, not its symbols. Combating poverty, investing in urban renewal, and providing universal healthcare and education are far better ways to fight racial injustice than tearing down a statue.
@@ThersitestheHistorian I'm sure you're furious over losing what you wrote, I'm longwinded and know what's that like. There should automatic saves on here. You deserve an apology, last few weeks haven't been fun for me, but that's no reason to be a jerk so I apologize. I quit a history degree because of a couple professors pushing their agendas. To this day when I hear personal politics getting a little too close to things that should be. 1. Less costly for who? He already conquered the half of Poland Germany didn't, invade Finland and had already killed millions of his own undesirables. Everybody being a Nazi who isn't far left is the result of bad history teachers with bad agendas. One symbol is considered hateful despite most of its history being something positive, the other one didn't get out of its Terrible Twos before committing genocide. When people (the Left) talk about racial justice, I get unsettled because they have no guidelines for it. The NBA never has to make a public apology for their non-conformity to racial demographics? They care so much about Trump being a racist, they take China's stance against Hong Kong people's rights and don't care about Jinping's re-education camps.
Cannot wait for your thoughts on the life and deads of Sertorius!
"Rome was cheap"
The more things change...
love this topic! It'd be great if you could do more figures like this
I will see what I can find. Aside from Spartacus and "Antiochus", who led slave revolts, there aren't all that many ancient figures quite this colorful, at least when we are speaking of political outsiders.
@@ThersitestheHistorian How about a pirate from the ancient and classical world? Love your content! Keep rockin' :)
@@anon2034 That is a good idea. I will have to be on the lookout for some famous pirates from antiquity.
Seems like Bulla is very much the inspiration for Robin Hood
Reminds me of that bit in The Wire: ‘I carry a shotgun, you carry a suitcase. It’s all in the game.’
I really don't see Dio making the man up, he took his work seriously, as he thought a diety wished him to write. Also there would have been people alive who would have known the truth at the time. Considering Dio was put out of the way under Alexander Severus
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Thersites, I think you got your dates mixed up. You said Cassius Dio wrote about Bulla Felix "3/4 of a century after Bulla Felix lived". This is impossible since Cassius Dio died in 235 AD. Remember Dio was an advisor for Alexander Severus. Cassius Dio and Bulla Felix were contemporaries.
I'm sure you know this already. You probably have alot on your plate and just misspoke.
Damn, you're right. I knew that, LOL. When I was shoring up my Cassius Dio facts, I learned about a Cassius Dio who was Consul in the 290's and I must have still had him on my mind. I was on the verge of creating a very new reading of a Roman historian. :)
@@ThersitestheHistorian Does the fact that they are contemporaries increase the chances of Bulla Felix being a real person? It would seem odd for Cassius Dio to create a fictional character in the present-tense.
@@tacocruiser4238 Absolutely! It would be hard to get away with a tall tale of this nature if he published just 20 years after the event.
@@ThersitestheHistorian Regardless of it's historical accuracy, I could easily picture Cassius Dio telling this story to Alexander Severus and educating him on the importance of good governance. It fits so well with the reign of Alexander Severus. Its just a shame that Alexander didn't have any competent military advisors to help him with the foreign policy aspect.
Edit:. Maybe Alexander did have good military advisors but he chose to listen to his mother instead.
Wouldn't that translate to "Happy Stamp"?
Yes, that is also a legitimate translation and it makes sense.
Im early.
Love your channel on history, but your politics demonstrate you don't understand it. It's like my chemistry students doing an easy problem correctly, but being unable to apply the concept to harder problems.
Alright I'll bite (tho I'll regret it I'm bored) what's so wrong with his politics hm?
LOL. It is news to me that history and politics are the same discipline and that politics is more complex than history.
@@ThersitestheHistorian Definitely came off too aggressive. Politics is the application of history. Politics is more complex because hindsight is 20/20. The West turned its back after Berlin, thus allowing Stalin's government to annex Eastern Europe, gain more power and kill millions more. Didn't a situation like this happen in Europe 20 years prior?
We apparently can't read Cyrillic so we decided to go to Afghanistan ourselves to see what all the fuss was about.
It's not liberals and conservatives tearing down Civil War statues and putting up one of Mao Zedong in Seattle. Progressives, aka The Alt-Left are the biggest culprits into editing history, like the Catholic church of old.
@@NorthernXY I just wrote a long response post and it somehow failed to post. Since I was going to take that long post and use it as the core of a new video on the political applicability of history to politics, I will hold off on that for now and just deal with it in the video. I have to leave town tomorrow, so it may not appear for a couple of weeks, but be on the lookout for a video essay on the topic if you want to know the gist of what I have to say on that subject.
To get to your three examples:
1) Stalin cooperated with the Allies from 1942-1945 and the USSR was pretty depleted from the war. Truman believed that Stalin wanted no more trouble. Stalin, however, was paranoid. Churchill exacerbated that paranoia by his bellicose rhetoric to some extent. All three major leaders and most of the minor powers agreed that the key lesson of 1919 was that Germany could not be trusted, which led to the division of the country. The Allies didn't press the territorial issue further because the U.S. public was eager for peace, France was newly restored, Britain was greatly weakened, and it didn't appear necessary to use force.The Cold War didn't begin in earnest until 1947. I am far from convinced that a conflict with Stalin in 1945 would have been less costly than the Cold War.
2) The war in Afghanistan was not fought over a lack of historical understanding. We went there due to Neoconservative ideology and the military-industrial complex. Neocons wanted a base near both Russia and Iran. While Neocons may seem more Republican than Democrat, Neocon foreign policy ideas dominant the thought of people like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Pete Buttigieg, Barack Obama and most other "liberal" or corporate Democrats. Defense contractors like endless wars because that is how they can ensure that the U.S. government will continue to lavish them with money. Recently uncovered documents reveal that generals under all three of the presidents overseeing this conflict have said that they do not understand what we are hoping to achieve in Afghanistan. We went to war to serve the interests of the rich and powerful in this country and we have stayed there for the same reason.
3.) I think that you misidentify what kind of Progressive I am. I don't care about woke culture, cancel culture, policing Twitter, or identity politics. I am the kind of Progressive interested in material policy objectives- if it makes it easier to call me a New Dealer or socialist, then that is fine. In America, political labels seem to lack any kind of hard and fast meaning. Tearing down statues to fight racism is a laughable action. It was clearly a way for otherwise useless politicians like Mitch Landrieu to pretend to care without having to do anything substantive. The way to fight racism is to address its causes and effects, not its symbols. Combating poverty, investing in urban renewal, and providing universal healthcare and education are far better ways to fight racial injustice than tearing down a statue.
@@ThersitestheHistorian I'm sure you're furious over losing what you wrote, I'm longwinded and know what's that like. There should automatic saves on here.
You deserve an apology, last few weeks haven't been fun for me, but that's no reason to be a jerk so I apologize. I quit a history degree because of a couple professors pushing their agendas. To this day when I hear personal politics getting a little too close to things that should be.
1. Less costly for who? He already conquered the half of Poland Germany didn't, invade Finland and had already killed millions of his own undesirables. Everybody being a Nazi who isn't far left is the result of bad history teachers with bad agendas. One symbol is considered hateful despite most of its history being something positive, the other one didn't get out of its Terrible Twos before committing genocide.
When people (the Left) talk about racial justice, I get unsettled because they have no guidelines for it. The NBA never has to make a public apology for their non-conformity to racial demographics? They care so much about Trump being a racist, they take China's stance against Hong Kong people's rights and don't care about Jinping's re-education camps.
Cassio dione, casio daio is uncorrect.