I've got average to low genetics. I've always finished bottom half in everything to do with fitness. I've got hooked on armwestling since 2019 and train for it - just gotta get to a club. My humble goal is to get a bronze medal in any armwestling tournament. I don't ask for much considering my history in such things but I wanna go for it like its the holy grail or something. Never smashed it in anything. Nows the time 😁
Very well put. I pulled John in 85 at Petaluma, I lost to Jimmy Payne John best Jimmy I had the chance to pull him again in 96 in the springs John won, I've always said he had great genetics pulled his brother bill in 97 in Aurora as soon as we gripped up you can tell they are in the same gene pool, I laughed and said it's like putting your hand up against a softball glove🤣
well… its pretty obvious John has good genetics. This is not exactly news. I thought you were going to tell us the differences in his tendons, bones, muscles and ligaments strength and shape that are the results of his genetics.
I'm burning through the Bob Brown videos, great information and has helped me level up! I've watched so much Bob is starting to trigger MY ticks... Brilliant vids, I loved your arm wars video too!
I believe the same. These days I find people saying, John would not be goat if he was competing in this era, But they fail to understand if era has progressed everyone, same it would have done to John. (let it be more specific training / smarter training / better supplements / PEDs).
Couldn't agree more. :) I would add his intelligence and ability to suss out opponents weaknesses so he could weave his way through a competition without exerting more energy than necessary as being a factor. Sometimes though, if he was superior enough, he would fight his opponent from their position of strength and win from there, which was also good training to get stronger outside his go to comfort zone. I also think one of his strengths was fearlessness. Engin mentioned it. He wasn't afraid of losing and would take on several weight-classes, which would worsen his chance of winning that tournament, but improve his overall ability and therefore his chances to win. It is like investing with money; investing money might cost you, but it can also make you much richer. John kept challenging himself and got 'richer' from it. And he has got back onto that arm-wrestling motorway since returning to the sport.
Fascinating observations. John's work ethic echoes the words of business philosopher Jim Rohn:"Behind every disciplined effort you make, a multiple reward results and grows." If possible, please do a follow up video on the nutritional angle in arm wrestling. What does John eat pre match to derive max power and keep the muscles finely twitched. His arm and wrist strength must be like a hydraulic press, relentless to overcome much taller and stronger men. What are some of his game theory tools as well to adapt during match, wrist position etc? TY for sharing your observations with aw advice and is across the world on youtube.
Similar to playing soccer. I played through college. Genetics obviously help, but nothing beat actually playing. You can't totally replicate just going on the field and playing with that game like intensity, the flow of the game, and the mental and physical connection of it all. All the other technical, physical, and tactical work during practice just molded that rawness into a polished version. But if you just spent a majority of the time practicing and not playing soccer, you're in for a rude awakening. So it makes sense when John says nothing beats table time as the main guts of the training. I can only imagine what he could have been though with today's overall mentality of training for armwrestling. Even greater? Kind of hard to say that though given his career haha.
I think once you know HOW to armwrestle you will make better gains in the gym. It's nearly impossible not to go 100% in practices, and you cant measure your progress. But you cant be an expert diver who never gets in the pool.
Agree totally...if John was born in lets say 1990 and trained with weights and machines with his great genetics in specific movements he'd have been even stronger than he was without doubt...as far as training goes whether it's armwrestling training...power lifting...body building you tear muscle down during training and you recover and get stronger through rest and recovery and keeping your proteins high because without it you're wasting your time... if you can't repair what you tore down you never gain you actually lose.
I agree Bob. Everyone likes to parrot back "John only did table time". Even if largely true, that's an oversimplification and it does NOT mean that's the best method for everyone. It's the best method to become a skilled armwrestler, not necessarily the best way to get strong. If you ONLY train on a table will you get stronger? Of course. But is it optimal? No. The modern generation of armwrestlers, especially in Russia and eastern Europe are proof of this. And before anyone chimes in with "steroids", look, that's nothing new and certainly not limited to Europe. They are just better at getting strong.
@@mrswolls I dont want to say because I really love the dude, but its fairly obvious of who I'm referring to. HGH abuse will enlarge the head, hands, and feet.
Very reasonable answer and I agree 100% with all you said,maybe one question?what was john weakness or let's say the movement he was very good at the less, and why?
hahaha the max effort thing is so true. Armwrestling is so fun that its hard to limit yourself. Sometimes you just pull and pull until your arms can barely be lifted the next day lol 😂
I’m almost 40 and I find myself staying sore for much much longer now than I did when I was younger, particularly as a teenager, I don’t recall really being sore at all. So I don’t find myself fully recovered now from an armwrestling session for at least 2 weeks.
I heard Larry once say (I think it was Ryan's video in John's backyard) that he saw an x-ray of John's arm and that the tendon was like an inch thick. Is that true?
John doesnt just do table time. Ive seen the hidden and secret training techniques he employs. Dude has secrets to being strong in all aspects of the sport.
@@bobbrownfun Oh Bob, so the video I saw of John hanging upside down from a bar with a cupped wrist was faked? Your saying John uses "NO WEIGHTS" with a straight face? Haha
@@garygwinn5818 yep, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I was there when they did that video. It was staged. If you’ve ever seen John lift a weight it was staged. Again, I literally trained with him every week for 20 years. The only time he went to a gym is when me and him went together twice a week to try to get our benchpress up. I think I know what I’m talking about.
@@garygwinn5818 😄😄. Now who’s being funny. I’ve known to man for 30 years. Trained with him for over 20 years. And you’re gonna tell me about John. That’s funny
@@nickbritten8132 and @Veritas21 I've heard that when he actually trained for a period of time, he went from bench pressing 200lbs - 400lbs, but didn't feel it made a difference on the table, so he stopped again. But no, I don't think he just walked into a gym and BP'd 400lbs :) and I don't know if this was the time Bob Brown was talking about.
Disagree. Arm wrestling max effort once a week is probably close to optimal. Pretty much all top arm wrestlers take one week to recover from max efforts. Cyplenkov, Hutchings and Brzenk have said the samet thing. So whats the point of adding more training when you’re still recovering? Todd adds all this other weird speed day volume day crap im not sure if it helps.
Hmmmm. I believe you should save your max/max effort for the match . Practice/training should be hard stimulation so recovery and repair is successful. And you can practice your craft more and more. Remember you have adrenaline in matches, so the max is gonna be dangerous. Devon trains this way. Saves his max for the match
Good video. I've seen John doing pull ups etc on documentaries so I'm sure he does formal training as well as table time. As you say he is also just insanely strong genetically. On top of that he's very smart and flexible. I'd say similar to Devon. Finally I think the fact he's an engineer and will understand mechanics and angles of force well helps him be the most efficient he can be.
John was my training partner for over 20 years. The video you saw of him doing pull ups was pretty much just for the documentary. He really does only do table time. John is not an engineer. He’s an airline mechanic. Todd hutchings is an engineer.
@@bobbrownfun - To put that in perspective Larry Wheels just took a year off from benching to arm wrestle and lost over 200lbs off his bench. Traditional is a good measure of overall upper body strength, but is unnecessary for armwrestling. If John had taken as many PEDS as the top modern pullers and focused on benchpress he’d be one of those guys repping 500lbs.
People keep asking this question but John has literally TOLD US ALL exactly how to do it. Don't go to a gym and just lift weights and think those obscure muscles thatre made for armwrestling are going to get stronger from just doing THAT. Table time and pulling is how you get strong at pulling. Make sure the people who you're pulling go up in strength just like when you train with weights, keep moving up and up, you'll be constantly working on those ARMWRESTLING specific muscles.
@@bobbrownfun Please don’t care about idiots like him, these videos rock Bob! Would be awesome if you could give your opinion on recent matches as well in Dubai for example and when the East vs West is done as well! Keep going and thanks for the quality content :)
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I've got average to low genetics. I've always finished bottom half in everything to do with fitness. I've got hooked on armwestling since 2019 and train for it - just gotta get to a club. My humble goal is to get a bronze medal in any armwestling tournament. I don't ask for much considering my history in such things but I wanna go for it like its the holy grail or something. Never smashed it in anything. Nows the time 😁
Work hard train harder 💪❤
You’ll make it bro 🙏
Is that due to having lousy genetics, or due to you not working as hard as the other guys?
@@Zz5H i bet you dont even lift or train
@@Fox8ball. I am pretty sure the dude is asking a legit question
I like this guy. Wasn't you the one screaming in the crowd at WAL during a couple matches? Made a couple matches more exciting. Nice work
Yes he was, and what great guy he is.
It was larratt v hutchings. Hillarious.
@Dave Pryor definitely learning hes a OG in this sport. He deserves more subscribers
"Your boy quit Bob!" -Dev
@@belkenator Neil vs. Ford Neil Pickup " Canadian's always bleating and cheating" lol. " dont try that webbing Devon Larratt shit with me"
Very well put. I pulled John in 85 at Petaluma, I lost to Jimmy Payne John best Jimmy I had the chance to pull him again in 96 in the springs John won, I've always said he had great genetics pulled his brother bill in 97 in Aurora as soon as we gripped up you can tell they are in the same gene pool, I laughed and said it's like putting your hand up against a softball glove🤣
well… its pretty obvious John has good genetics. This is not exactly news. I thought you were going to tell us the differences in his tendons, bones, muscles and ligaments strength and shape that are the results of his genetics.
So glad you started dropping all these videos
I'm burning through the Bob Brown videos, great information and has helped me level up! I've watched so much Bob is starting to trigger MY ticks... Brilliant vids, I loved your arm wars video too!
This is a great and personal perspective, and probably the most accurate because this man has spent more time with John than most
I would LOVE to see all these guys that aren’t around anymore aka Dave Patton. Be nice to interview these guys if they care to do so.
I believe the same.
These days I find people saying, John would not be goat if he was competing in this era,
But they fail to understand if era has progressed everyone, same it would have done to John. (let it be more specific training / smarter training / better supplements / PEDs).
Bob brown you are the best keep it up!!
Couldn't agree more. :) I would add his intelligence and ability to suss out opponents weaknesses so he could weave his way through a competition without exerting more energy than necessary as being a factor. Sometimes though, if he was superior enough, he would fight his opponent from their position of strength and win from there, which was also good training to get stronger outside his go to comfort zone. I also think one of his strengths was fearlessness. Engin mentioned it. He wasn't afraid of losing and would take on several weight-classes, which would worsen his chance of winning that tournament, but improve his overall ability and therefore his chances to win. It is like investing with money; investing money might cost you, but it can also make you much richer. John kept challenging himself and got 'richer' from it. And he has got back onto that arm-wrestling motorway since returning to the sport.
Miss the bib brown videos !
Please make more !
Thank you sir!! Always love your videos.. So insightful..
Bob you are the man! A wealth of experience and knowledge. Thanks for giving us a glimpse. 💪
Love this kind of videos. Thanks Bob
Very true, Bob.
Fascinating observations. John's work ethic echoes the words of business philosopher Jim Rohn:"Behind every disciplined effort you make, a multiple reward results and grows." If possible, please do a follow up video on the nutritional angle in arm wrestling. What does John eat pre match to derive max power and keep the muscles finely twitched. His arm and wrist strength must be like a hydraulic press, relentless to overcome much taller and stronger men. What are some of his game theory tools as well to adapt during match, wrist position etc? TY for sharing your observations with aw advice and is across the world on youtube.
Hard work beats talent all the time....but when talent works hard its over.
Great video Bob. :) Thanks for sharing!
I would also add John had great people including you Bob to train with...that’s a big thing to add on what makes JB so good.
Similar to playing soccer. I played through college. Genetics obviously help, but nothing beat actually playing. You can't totally replicate just going on the field and playing with that game like intensity, the flow of the game, and the mental and physical connection of it all. All the other technical, physical, and tactical work during practice just molded that rawness into a polished version. But if you just spent a majority of the time practicing and not playing soccer, you're in for a rude awakening. So it makes sense when John says nothing beats table time as the main guts of the training.
I can only imagine what he could have been though with today's overall mentality of training for armwrestling. Even greater? Kind of hard to say that though given his career haha.
I think once you know HOW to armwrestle you will make better gains in the gym. It's nearly impossible not to go 100% in practices, and you cant measure your progress. But you cant be an expert diver who never gets in the pool.
Agree totally...if John was born in lets say 1990 and trained with weights and machines with his great genetics in specific movements he'd have been even stronger than he was without doubt...as far as training goes whether it's armwrestling training...power lifting...body building you tear muscle down during training and you recover and get stronger through rest and recovery and keeping your proteins high because without it you're wasting your time... if you can't repair what you tore down you never gain you actually lose.
Great video Bob !! 🔥 😊
Thanks for the advice 🙏
I'm just a casual fan, but I've never seen a video where anyone took John's hand. His grip and wrist strength must be off the charts.
Taras ivakin vs John brzenk 2005. Taras takes his hand a couple times.
@@troytueller9992 that's what I was going to say, I guess that's why taras is known as the best toproller yet
Casual fan too who gripped up with John once, he feels like a machine, once he loads up the power is awesome.
Very informative, thank you
I agree Bob. Everyone likes to parrot back "John only did table time". Even if largely true, that's an oversimplification and it does NOT mean that's the best method for everyone. It's the best method to become a skilled armwrestler, not necessarily the best way to get strong. If you ONLY train on a table will you get stronger? Of course. But is it optimal? No. The modern generation of armwrestlers, especially in Russia and eastern Europe are proof of this. And before anyone chimes in with "steroids", look, that's nothing new and certainly not limited to Europe. They are just better at getting strong.
What are your thoughts on the chemical warfare we see in arm wrestling especially at the elite level?
Been going on for 40 plus years. I'm worried that one individual's hgh abuse will be his undoing. Its unfortunate.
@anonymous true
@@Fluxion11 who?
@@mrswolls I dont want to say because I really love the dude, but its fairly obvious of who I'm referring to. HGH abuse will enlarge the head, hands, and feet.
@@Fluxion11 who? What does the first name start with?
Very reasonable answer and I agree 100% with all you said,maybe one question?what was john weakness or let's say the movement he was very good at the less, and why?
hahaha the max effort thing is so true. Armwrestling is so fun that its hard to limit yourself. Sometimes you just pull and pull until your arms can barely be lifted the next day lol 😂
He is good because he is John Brzenk
John is still pulling the top guys…in his 50s…
love these videos bob
YOUR BOY QUIT ROUND 1, BOB
Season opener, it's over, YEAAAAAAAAAAH
i Discover your chanel recently, and you have interesting and good contenct
john and Dennis got huge wide hands
Hi! Do you have an email address where I can ask you several questions, sir? Thanks for your content.
Bob brown is a great man
Awesome video brother.
Very informative 💯
I enjoyed this awesome
Good video! Anyone can stronger I believe there’s even a way by science to help humans excel even more.
I’m almost 40 and I find myself staying sore for much much longer now than I did when I was younger, particularly as a teenager, I don’t recall really being sore at all. So I don’t find myself fully recovered now from an armwrestling session for at least 2 weeks.
No one on earth knows more about pulling than Bob, no one. Devon John and everyone else would agree...I mean he wrote the fucking rules for wal.
I hope he doesn't mind me asking but where do his tics come from? Was it an underlying condition like tourettes or is it caused by something else?
I heard Larry once say (I think it was Ryan's video in John's backyard) that he saw an x-ray of John's arm and that the tendon was like an inch thick. Is that true?
you cant see tendons on xray.
Maybe an MRI
Why does this video make my screen so bright??
These are old videos. I'm still learning
It did the same thing to me.. I wonder why.
@@DrewRH176 this is hdr video so if your device support hdr playback your screen brightness goes up
Good video. Thumbs up
Excellent content
I’m going to be the best of all time.
Hi Bob, I'm sorry if this is rude to ask, what happened to your leg? Also just want to say thanks for this amazing content, keep it up!
Motorcycle accident
Brzenk is great because he grew up armwrestling his Dad
What are your thoughts on the past matches held in Dubai?
Yes, so treu! No qeustion only respect
Great video
Where can I get whatever you’re taking?
What’s up with the twitch? Is that normal of are you glasses falling off?
Prrrobaly a condition he has...
@@steveguse4481 I was thinking that but wasn’t sure.
@@Patrick-lx4gy Tourette’s
sir my dad had really good genetics like thick bone thick wrist but i am not my dad is like 55 and i am 21 will i grow to get thick bone like him
John doesnt just do table time. Ive seen the hidden and secret training techniques he employs. Dude has secrets to being strong in all aspects of the sport.
😃 I literally was his training partner for 20 years. Table time is all he did.
@@bobbrownfun Oh Bob, so the video I saw of John hanging upside down from a bar with a cupped wrist was faked? Your saying John uses "NO WEIGHTS" with a straight face? Haha
@@garygwinn5818 yep, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I was there when they did that video. It was staged. If you’ve ever seen John lift a weight it was staged. Again, I literally trained with him every week for 20 years. The only time he went to a gym is when me and him went together twice a week to try to get our benchpress up. I think I know what I’m talking about.
@@bobbrownfun Ill concede what John has actually done is a "Secret" and that he wants to keep it that way.
@@garygwinn5818 😄😄. Now who’s being funny. I’ve known to man for 30 years. Trained with him for over 20 years. And you’re gonna tell me about John. That’s funny
I’d love to know how much John benched that day.
I think i saw an interview where he said around 400 lbs
@@veritas2145 that’s incredible!!! Wow 😮 cheers for replying
@@nickbritten8132 and @Veritas21 I've heard that when he actually trained for a period of time, he went from bench pressing 200lbs - 400lbs, but didn't feel it made a difference on the table, so he stopped again. But no, I don't think he just walked into a gym and BP'd 400lbs :) and I don't know if this was the time Bob Brown was talking about.
@@LeahRobb cheers for the info. That’s very insightful.
Disagree.
Arm wrestling max effort once a week is probably close to optimal.
Pretty much all top arm wrestlers take one week to recover from max efforts. Cyplenkov, Hutchings and Brzenk have said the samet thing.
So whats the point of adding more training when you’re still recovering? Todd adds all this other weird speed day volume day crap im not sure if it helps.
nice dog
I have no chance, at least I know that while I put in an unbelievable amount of work just to become mediocre.
Whats make John John is his hand imo
So if you were a new arm wrestler what would you do?
Arm wrestle. And rehab.
Join a club
Get a cable pully system set up in your truck and drive across America pulling against random diner patrons
Hmmmm. I believe you should save your max/max effort for the match . Practice/training should be hard stimulation so recovery and repair is successful. And you can practice your craft more and more. Remember you have adrenaline in matches, so the max is gonna be dangerous. Devon trains this way. Saves his max for the match
Good video. I've seen John doing pull ups etc on documentaries so I'm sure he does formal training as well as table time. As you say he is also just insanely strong genetically. On top of that he's very smart and flexible. I'd say similar to Devon. Finally I think the fact he's an engineer and will understand mechanics and angles of force well helps him be the most efficient he can be.
John was my training partner for over 20 years. The video you saw of him doing pull ups was pretty much just for the documentary. He really does only do table time. John is not an engineer. He’s an airline mechanic. Todd hutchings is an engineer.
Why is devon larrat so good... right now
Hard work
Because his fan girls empower him.
@@DriftmanX easy buddy
Because of pancakes he eats lots of them
@@antoniogiop Let him be lady...
💪👍👍
Whats John benching, anyone know?
We went to the gym together for about 6 months. The most he ever bench was 385. He did not go to the gym much before or after that.
@@bobbrownfun thanks for the reply
@@bobbrownfun - To put that in perspective Larry Wheels just took a year off from benching to arm wrestle and lost over 200lbs off his bench. Traditional is a good measure of overall upper body strength, but is unnecessary for armwrestling. If John had taken as many PEDS as the top modern pullers and focused on benchpress he’d be one of those guys repping 500lbs.
At least he would last even longer with some rehab/prehab work on his shoulders during his carer. I guess.
Sup Bob 💪
i disagree 100%. John knows magic.. that's all.. lol
People keep asking this question but John has literally TOLD US ALL exactly how to do it. Don't go to a gym and just lift weights and think those obscure muscles thatre made for armwrestling are going to get stronger from just doing THAT. Table time and pulling is how you get strong at pulling.
Make sure the people who you're pulling go up in strength just like when you train with weights, keep moving up and up, you'll be constantly working on those ARMWRESTLING specific muscles.
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Is face thing a form of Tourette’s?
Yes
Why the uncle is making awkward faces?
Ticks.
Your boy quit bob!
Why do you make these random goofy faces every few seconds wtf
It's soo funny you make funny faces 😂😂
I have Tourette’s syndrome.
@@bobbrownfun Please don’t care about idiots like him, these videos rock Bob! Would be awesome if you could give your opinion on recent matches as well in Dubai for example and when the East vs West is done as well! Keep going and thanks for the quality content :)
@@bobbrownfun and sorry man I didn't know that ❤️ love you bro
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