I hope someone picks up Cat. This sled looks like it’ll compete with Skdoo & Polaris NA sleds. First year engine growing pains. All manufactures have problems. Fingers crossed Cat gets you back on the snow quick. Congrats on the new Cat.
@@32Longtrack I think it’ll be great with some clutching! We really do need someone to buy cat though. Weather your a skidoo or a Polaris guy it’s bad for the industry to loose competition
It's not really first year though. The whole reason they trolled everyone with a 600 for a year was to further develop the 858. It's not gone well, sadly.
Arctic Cat are done, its a junk company in a niche market with almost no market share, no one with an IQ above room temperature would invest in something like that today
@@BackcountryAlaska We are in Michigan and we hardly get enough snow to ride in lower mi. We have to take a seven hour drive into the upper peninsula to get to good snow. That's a long drive and we need a motel for a couple nights to make it Worth the drive. Gas, hotel and food are not cheap. Thanks for the reply, and good sledding!!
Maybe Arctic Cat should go back to Suzuki and see if they can build something great again! Back when they had Suzuki engines they were reliable and was running great!
Looking back, a 5 minute wide open pull with 10 miles on the sled may not have been a good idea. Musko had issues with the power valve linkage, might be your issue as well.
Regarding the sled problems.. the one down to one cylinder is likely due to the exhaust valve issue where the bracket needs to be tweaked. If you don't fix it, it keeps binding and cause issues with the cylinder. Did you see Muskoka's video where they put a new cylinder on his due to that issue? And as far as it not running great, remember you are in break-in where it's injecting a LOT of additional oil. It does that for 3.5 hours. A friend noticed his sled used half a tank of oil in his first 50 miles.
@@robgoffroad extra oil injection wouldn’t cause the rpm drop I was experiencing. Also Boots sled the blue one broke the case, we found pieces of aluminum in the belly pan, like big chunks. Literally seized it up with a broke crank or rod. Defiantly not just an exhaust valve issue
@@BackcountryAlaska This is the first actual "blown up" motor I've heard of... now let's hope there are parts available to fix it. This is why I've parked mine and won't ride it again. It's for sale. Has 13 miles on it.
@@BackcountryAlaska I want it gone. I bet once current inventory sells, Cat will file bankruptcy which will invalidate warranties and no more parts available. Will save it for somebody who wants a parts sled.
Sometimes you get a lemon, it happens with every brand. Pinched crank seal, leaking crankcase gasket, loose y pipe bolts. It happens. I only owned one Cat, it was a 1989 440 JAG, sled went 18000 miles on the original engine.
@@BackcountryAlaska When you get the engine fixed, I would put a clutch kit in it (wasn't back-shifting properly) and gear it down a little when the snow is deeper like this. The engine won't have to work as hard to get you carving. Those new Cats really like to stand up and that is handy in the trees for switchbacks. They seem to be a very playful machine. I would rip one.
We was out there riding that day that upper bowl I barely made it up on my khaos come to find out I was too riding 1.5 cylinders somehow my spark plug was unscrewed everyone else in my group was on turbo sleds I was like why am I barely moving was deep for sure!
You know, this is fantastic visage for sure!, but man, I was so nervous about asking 100% throttle from near 0 miles is asking a lot for anything brand new, and tight with NO BREAKIN what so ever! But, as a FIRECAT owner (2004), I am PROUD of Arctic Cat!! Long live the CAT and hopefully, someone will keep the company on the map ! Thanks for taking us along for the ride! 😊
@@BackcountryAlaska Thanks! Do you have a vid of the F6 ? Mine is an EFI F7, spring special Night Fire. Yeah, I liked the ALL blacked out Cat too, it was very unusual at the time. My last ride on it was Feb. 2008. Low snow here in New England. That is also why it has only 840 miles showing on the OD.🙄
@BackcountryAlaska Funny, all the cesars I've seen online were running the old flash. There's probably a good reason that the dealers weren't even allowed to deliver sleds outside of NA with the old flash
Did u guys by chance tow that cat out on the 21st? There was a lot of broken down cats that day but I saw someone tow one out with an expedition or skandic while we were there. I stopped briefly to ask what's with all the broken ones lol...I was on a neo mint freeride
This cat chassis is far superior to my pro. Also my local Polaris dealer does not provide a service worth giving a dollar too, on top of a comparable sled from them being $7000 more than mine. It’s an easy choice
I remember my first 850 poo poo didn’t make it 20 miles and locked up. My first 9R crank bolt snapped. That was a fun day. But my 11 m8 that’s been 925 big bore for 6 years still runs like a top with over 3k miles same built engine. Been watching slot 858 video. Seems some have issues some don’t and are rippers. Doo and poo had sbd still has issues. This is cats new chassis and engine got to work them out like that he other two did and still are 😂😂
Hey should pull more than 7000 rpm. All my sleds have been NA’s and I’ve ridden this exact spot for 15 years. Just needs some clutching adjustments is what I’m leaning towards as it ran way better around 5000’
@BackcountryAlaska yeah man ive bought a first year sled before and delt with the bugs. Im definately gona be keeping my eyes on the cats 858 for sure as their price is decent. Just kinda wana see what goes on with the company itself.
@@thomascurtiss1226 compared to skidoo and Polaris in my town these cats are significantly cheaper, $7000 cheaper for a comparable model. I think with some clutching it’ll be well worth the jump. For reference I had 30k into my 9R ill have about 18k into my cat and I believe it to be an equal trade as far as performance
Owned many cats raced cats 15 years SX and pro cross country. Cats were the toughest sleds on the racetrack definitely not junk. Cats has more wins podiums and championships than Polaris and doo combined in terrain racing.
I hope someone picks up Cat. This sled looks like it’ll compete with Skdoo & Polaris NA sleds. First year engine growing pains. All manufactures have problems. Fingers crossed Cat gets you back on the snow quick. Congrats on the new Cat.
@@32Longtrack I think it’ll be great with some clutching! We really do need someone to buy cat though. Weather your a skidoo or a Polaris guy it’s bad for the industry to loose competition
It's not really first year though. The whole reason they trolled everyone with a 600 for a year was to further develop the 858. It's not gone well, sadly.
@@GunGuyMatt my gut feeling is it’s just some manufacturing defects that need the bugs worked out, I think the engineering is there 👌🏻
Arctic Cat are done, its a junk company in a niche market with almost no market share, no one with an IQ above room temperature would invest in something like that today
@ well I own two catalysts and I’m happy to have them 😄😆🤘🏻
Thats the best place to ride i have ever saw.
@@kingsalmon5905 it’s one of the best for sure! Beautiful place
@@BackcountryAlaska We are in Michigan and we hardly get enough snow to ride in lower mi. We have to take a seven hour drive into the upper peninsula to get to good snow. That's a long drive and we need a motel for a couple nights to make it Worth the drive. Gas, hotel and food are not cheap. Thanks for the reply, and good sledding!!
Man I miss riding in Alaska. Living back in Minnesota winters are disappointing year after year, only good riding is out West.
3rd generation cat guy here (cats in the family since the 70s). Those Polaris boost sleds are looking more and more enticing. Sad to see.
They sure are tempting!
So it’s taken 50 years for you all to learn?
@ 😂😂😂
Yes it would be a sad day to be stuck on a ski dont
The hoo doo mts (summit lake) its endless, can ride for ever
Sure can
Omg. What an awesome area !!
It really is a great place to ride.
Alaska has some awesome places to ride. I have been to Revelstoke British Columbia, it was unbelievable. bring a shovel.
Maybe Arctic Cat should go back to Suzuki and see if they can build something great again! Back when they had Suzuki engines they were reliable and was running great!
Very true!
That @ibexx 600 turbo is a weapon
@@VDZRIDER sure is!! Best running cat on the hill for this ride!
Surprised that parking lot is so empty. Was this a weekday ride?
@ sure was! This was a Thursday
Would love to get down that way eventually and ride!
@@AbsurdAutomotive it’s a pretty awesome place
@ you looking to collaborate at all I’m up near Northpole but will travel
Looking back, a 5 minute wide open pull with 10 miles on the sled may not have been a good idea. Musko had issues with the power valve linkage, might be your issue as well.
Ehhhh it’s fine!!! Hahah yeah it could be, however when dropping elevation it started to run better. That’s why it’s got me leaning towards clutching
Regarding the sled problems.. the one down to one cylinder is likely due to the exhaust valve issue where the bracket needs to be tweaked. If you don't fix it, it keeps binding and cause issues with the cylinder. Did you see Muskoka's video where they put a new cylinder on his due to that issue? And as far as it not running great, remember you are in break-in where it's injecting a LOT of additional oil. It does that for 3.5 hours. A friend noticed his sled used half a tank of oil in his first 50 miles.
@@robgoffroad extra oil injection wouldn’t cause the rpm drop I was experiencing. Also Boots sled the blue one broke the case, we found pieces of aluminum in the belly pan, like big chunks. Literally seized it up with a broke crank or rod. Defiantly not just an exhaust valve issue
@@BackcountryAlaska This is the first actual "blown up" motor I've heard of... now let's hope there are parts available to fix it. This is why I've parked mine and won't ride it again. It's for sale. Has 13 miles on it.
@ if your gonna park it and not ride it might as well blow it up first…. Ride that sucker!
@@BackcountryAlaska I want it gone. I bet once current inventory sells, Cat will file bankruptcy which will invalidate warranties and no more parts available. Will save it for somebody who wants a parts sled.
@@robgoffroad Engines are in stock. There is a bulletin on the exhaust valve issue, just bending the bracket can cause the servo to burn out.
Endless pow carving and no trees I need to get up to Alaska, cool video thanks for sharing 🤘
@@thecitiots come on up!! It’s a great time when the weather is clear
@BackcountryAlaska heading to Island Park Idaho in a couple weeks will try to talk my buddies into turning north
Wow. I have never been sledding with zero trees. You can really hear it struggling @16:04.
@@UTBanjo sure can
the tinging sound is that spring on the exhaust near one of the posts
Yep sure is
@@BackcountryAlaskaMuskoka Freerider did a video with same issue and fix not too long ago.
@ yup I’ve seen it
Owned many cats never had problems with any of them.
Messed up idk hopefully u get that kitty roaring again.
Sometimes you get a lemon, it happens with every brand. Pinched crank seal, leaking crankcase gasket, loose y pipe bolts. It happens. I only owned one Cat, it was a 1989 440 JAG, sled went 18000 miles on the original engine.
Yeah hopefully so!
@@BackcountryAlaska When you get the engine fixed, I would put a clutch kit in it (wasn't back-shifting properly) and gear it down a little when the snow is deeper like this. The engine won't have to work as hard to get you carving. Those new Cats really like to stand up and that is handy in the trees for switchbacks. They seem to be a very playful machine. I would rip one.
We was out there riding that day that upper bowl I barely made it up on my khaos come to find out I was too riding 1.5 cylinders somehow my spark plug was unscrewed everyone else in my group was on turbo sleds I was like why am I barely moving was deep for sure!
It sure was a deep week! Turbo sled snow for sure haha
We actually pulled up to your bud asked if he was alright we saw him come up to the bowl then not come back up
Good Commentary on POS 💩 Thomas . Dang on Cat !!
You made this Bush Gal's Nite.
Happy New Year,Thomas and all your Families. Cya in 2025. 🎉
Happy New Year to you too!
@@BackcountryAlaska Txs 🍻
Just saw the same sled and the exhaust valve on the cable was not working and taking out the cylinder.
@@kenlane5011 yeah could be an issue for sure
These types of decisions can make the difference between life and death in the Tundra.
Sure could
You know, this is fantastic visage for sure!, but man, I was so nervous about asking 100% throttle from near 0 miles is asking a lot for anything brand new, and tight with NO BREAKIN what so ever! But, as a FIRECAT owner (2004), I am PROUD of Arctic Cat!! Long live the CAT and hopefully, someone will keep the company on the map ! Thanks for taking us along for the ride! 😊
@@garysmith8455 a little WOT never hurt nobody hahah I had an 06 F6 as well. Got a 24ZR as well got a video on that on my channel
@@BackcountryAlaska Thanks! Do you have a vid of the F6 ? Mine is an EFI F7, spring special Night Fire. Yeah, I liked the ALL blacked out Cat too, it was very unusual at the time. My last ride on it was Feb. 2008. Low snow here in New England. That is also why it has only 840 miles showing on the OD.🙄
@ nah no footage of that sled. Sold it 10 years ago probably
@@BackcountryAlaska Oh, ok....
Did he run the old or the new flash? It's curious I've only seen the blue ones blow up. Not any Sno Pros yet
Was the old flash
@BackcountryAlaska Funny, all the cesars I've seen online were running the old flash. There's probably a good reason that the dealers weren't even allowed to deliver sleds outside of NA with the old flash
@ I could also be wrong, not sure!
Only place w snow right now
I may have to go there
@@alaskanlife4980 just might!
How are u guys riding there is no snow😢😢😢😢😢😢
We got lots of snow in summit!
But it’s also like a 5 hour drive from anchorage and -15°
@ that’s the truth!
Thompson pass was endless powder today.
Dang that’s good!! It’s been thin there this year
Whats verdict? Can get a new engine replacement easily?
Not sure, my buddy is gonna call the dealer today and see what the word is
@ ok. Keeps us posted. Im wondering how parts are to get with all that poor management and issues textron did to cat.
Is that Eureka?
@@aksas6428 nope! Summit lake, Paxson area
Anyone think the change in how this unit is running has anything to do with altitude? Running rich?
@@spookyfizz it definitely ran better at lower altitude
Where were you riding at?
Summit lake, Paxson area
Was that recently? @@BackcountryAlaska
@@akfullthrottle283 last week
My guess would be lack of adequate break in time.
@@jeffreyhagelin3672 this was the sleds 3rd ride had 115miles on it. I’m saying a manufacturing defect of some kind
Could it be the power valve alignment issue causing it to run so poorly? Been seeing it’s a thing?
It could have been. It’s either that or some very poor clutching
I think power valve as in other videos they bind. Most guys seem happy with the clutching
I couldn’t figure out why there were no trees. Glacier!
It’s high alpine mountains! Haha
I could hear the engine tone change in the video.
@@MrTjulius yeah you can see the peak RMP getting stuck at 7000ish as well
Did u guys by chance tow that cat out on the 21st? There was a lot of broken down cats that day but I saw someone tow one out with an expedition or skandic while we were there. I stopped briefly to ask what's with all the broken ones lol...I was on a neo mint freeride
@@DaFcknPope my buddies did tow it out on the 21st. I myself was sitting in a beach in Hawaii by then 😂
@BackcountryAlaska oh lol, well I imagine I got to see them do it but didn't realize it was them.
What area are you riding in AK?
This is summit lake, Paxson area
Where is this in AK?
Summit lake Paxson area
When was this shot? Is Paxson still good? I’m in Wasilla
@ this was last Thursday
How come you downgraded to a cat from a 9R? Like walking backward expecting to go faster!
This cat chassis is far superior to my pro. Also my local Polaris dealer does not provide a service worth giving a dollar too, on top of a comparable sled from them being $7000 more than mine. It’s an easy choice
@@BackcountryAlaska ah, yeah a dealer can make or break a deal eh, that sucks.
Great content! Irritating to hear that artic scat engine shitting out.
@@ABC-qd1ei hopefully it’s a quick turnaround
Too me looks like summit lake Arctic man area
Sure is!
I remember my first 850 poo poo didn’t make it 20 miles and locked up. My first 9R crank bolt snapped. That was a fun day. But my 11 m8 that’s been 925 big bore for 6 years still runs like a top with over 3k miles same built engine. Been watching slot 858 video. Seems some have issues some don’t and are rippers. Doo and poo had sbd still has issues. This is cats new chassis and engine got to work them out like that he other two did and still are 😂😂
@@Cb-gs8uk yeah I think it’s just some manufacturing bugs for the first year
Would rather have an high hp 4stroke turbo in that area 🤩 Those 2strokes are pretty slow
I'm pretty sure we could show you some very very fast 2 strokes
@ Yes , maybe some tuned turbos/ boost then :)
@@Dagus85 I wouldn’t mind a 250 horse Yamaha that’s for sure
Four strokes are way too heavy
Yeah that’s probably about 7000 ft. Turbo territory! Na sleds won’t perform
Hey should pull more than 7000 rpm. All my sleds have been NA’s and I’ve ridden this exact spot for 15 years. Just needs some clutching adjustments is what I’m leaning towards as it ran way better around 5000’
Also maybe try octane booster sometimes it helps
That’s why they call it Arctic Shat 💩😉😅😅
🤣🤣🤣
A lot of those 858s are blowing up
@@jaybird4756 I haven’t heard of “a lot” this is the first one I personally know of
Another "dont buy a cat" video. No wonder they are going belly up!
I’m still super happy with my cat. Best chassis I’ve ever owned for sure. Get these first year bugs tuned out and it’ll be wicked
@BackcountryAlaska yeah man ive bought a first year sled before and delt with the bugs. Im definately gona be keeping my eyes on the cats 858 for sure as their price is decent. Just kinda wana see what goes on with the company itself.
gotta get muskoka freerider an his buddies to come up there
Might have to challenge him to an Alaska trip
@@BackcountryAlaska lol 100% that would be pretty sick
Unreal that would be fun for 1 day if that. Gets boring on wide open stuff
Break in periods naww full send
🤭
heard the cats were overpriced garbage, the fanboys will never admit it tho
@@thomascurtiss1226 compared to skidoo and Polaris in my town these cats are significantly cheaper, $7000 cheaper for a comparable model. I think with some clutching it’ll be well worth the jump. For reference I had 30k into my 9R ill have about 18k into my cat and I believe it to be an equal trade as far as performance
CAT JUNK
@@dskofich could be!
@@BackcountryAlaska SORRY ANOT YIR YOY PUCHASES.... IM IM THE SAME BOAT WIRH MT 858 RXC.. NO PARTS TO FIX IT EITHER.
they are all junk now lol
@@tylerbaldwin1633 MY 850 SKI DOO IS FLAWLESS
Owned many cats raced cats 15 years SX and pro cross country.
Cats were the toughest sleds on the racetrack definitely not junk. Cats has more wins podiums and championships than Polaris and doo combined in terrain racing.
Polaris products are full of problems, recalls, and stop-rides
This is the way
@BackcountryAlaska Yes, so said Din Djarin.