Caproni-Vizzola C-22J Ventura | Mario Noriega Designs | Full Flight Review | MSFS
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In this video, we take a look at the Mario Noriega Designs - Caproni-Vizzola C-22J Ventura for Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS)
We'll take the aircraft on a "review flight" around Lake Lugano, analyzing and showcasing as we go.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
MSI B550M
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 4.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight!
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Man.. the wind just adds so much immersion to the experience.. hope M$ will incorporate something similar
It certainly does, doesn’t it! It’s always the “small” details that make the big difference. I wasn’t one that cared too much about sounds few years ago, but I’ve since come to realise how important they are to immersion. Indeed a big part of A2As “trick” is quality sounds. It’s the only real feedback we get in the sim. . . To not have wind noise just makes things feel “off”. Even in a commercial jet, at high speed / low altitude, it’s incredibly noisy - let alone something little like this with just a Perspex canopy! A great effort from the dev. Hopefully Asobo learn a few tricks as you say! ; )
Cheers!
After flying this fun little jet it has quickly become one of my favorite aircraft. Flight model seems excellent. Never heard sounds as good as this aircraft. I can even hear the tires going over the runway cracks. This guy really likes to float down the runway. Don’t pass up this little gem. Thanks for another well done review!
Yep, completely agree with all of that Jim! One of the best aircraft in the sim currently and just such a joy to fly.
Best sounds, best flight model and best value for money currently available within MSFS I would say. Not a bad effort from a tiny developer and all for the princely sum of €10! I hope the chap sells a lot of units, he well and truly deserves the money! It’s actually made me re-assess my expectations of what’s currently possible in the sim. The rudder is still off (so I guess that’s endemic to MSFS), but the flight model is incredibly good otherwise. Clearly the sim can be worked with, to produce a solid aircraft simulation.
As you say, not one to miss! Cheers : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I agree with you completely! Sounds are so important to flight sims. Seems so many creators ignore or go sounds lite even when you are paying $30-$40. Thanks again for all of your valuable reviews. I know that you invest many hours in pursuit of getting it all right. Thanks SO very much! God bless you sir!
Hi Jim,
Yes, as sounds are one of the only ways we get direct feedback in the sim, I think they are vitally important - they certainly make a world of difference to the immersion. It does seem that the genre is slowly improving in this regard, but a lot of developers haven’t got the message yet as you say. Fortunately, given that the default aircraft actually have rather good sounds, I think it encourages other devs to up their game.
Thanks very much for your kind words, most appreciated! I certainly invest quite a bit of time in the channel, but I very much enjoy it also : )
Take care and all the best to you!
Watched this after buying and flying. Couldn’t agree more. I think the textures add to the feel. Great little toy. Cheers!
I’m glad you’re enjoying the C-22, Plum - it’s a little gem! Happy flying and all the best : )
Wonderful little jet, I’m not big on texturing and that sort of stuff, flight model is what’s really important and the sounds. I just love the cockpit with its old fashion steam gauges and radio stack. And looking at the way you were genuinely having fun flying it, it’s a must have in my hangar! Thanks for the review
Absolutely! A lovely plucky little jet and actually really versatile in terms of what you can do with it. Mario has really given many developers a tour du force in how this sort of thing should be done!
Hope you’re enjoying it; dare I say we’ve managed to find another aircraft that is new to you? ; )
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yes Sir, that is a new one to me and I absolutely love it! Great fun....wish I owned a real one!!!!!
Picked up this little gem shortly after its release , and was totally blown away !! Some of the sounds / features cant be found in other sim aircraft worth two to three times its price . I can confirm that VOR / ADF work perfect , also the low altitude warning device . I was also able to fly this , trimmed out at 120knots . It seemed to just glide along + was great for taking in the views . Overall , a fantastic little aircraft and fantastic value for money !! ( P.s Super vid as always 👍👍👍👍) .
Likewise; this little jet was such a pleasant surprise! It’s completely excellent and by far the best value for money in the sim at the moment. As you say, the sounds blow most other products out of the water. The little C22J has actually changed my opinions on what is currently possible in MSFS and if a one man development team can achieve this and then sell it for £10, the other developers have no excuses!
I hope the developer makes some decent money from it, he certainly deserves to!
Glad you enjoyed the video and indeed the C22J! : )
Cheers!
Such a cute little Italian sportscar! - Never mind missing rivets...System and sound are great.
Some times you just want a short low level flight around the city or to next town little airstrip - and your favorite GA aircraft is too slow . This Ferrari fills this gap.
Haha, yep, completely agree Øystein! What she lacks in looks, she more than makes up for in every other department. Just had a great little run around New Zealand in the plucky C22J. What would have taken > 1hr in a typical SEP, took me less than 30 mins. Was cruising at FL200 at Mach 0.45 hehe ; )
Cheers!
Absolutely love how the startup smoke fades out as the engine reaches temp. Also the undercarridge flex/wobble and the sounds...Im in love. Bloody Marvelous!! Just shows what MSFS is capable and highlights how lazy a lot of devs are. Great Vid as usual. :)
Yeah, that was my take on the whole addon really; if a one-man dev team can achieve this and sell it for €10, quite a few other devs have a lot of explaining to do! The C22J has actually made me reassess my understanding of what it’s even possible to achieve in MSFS. I had thought that the flight characteristics and sound modelling etc that we saw on other products, were probably still just current limitations of the sim, but clearly not! Apart from the rudder (which presumably is an inherent issue in the sim) she flies absolutely fine, no weird behaviours. Same for the sounds, head and tails above almost everything else.
All in all, this thing is a little pint-sized masterpiece, not to mention a complete bargain. Apparently the textures will be getting an overhaul as well! : D
Thanks very much as always! Glad you enjoyed the video and indeed the C22J : )
I had the privilege to be' one of the beta tester of this italian juwel plane !
Unfortunately I never flly the real one, but one of the beta tester was the engineer who designer the real plane , Carlo Ferrarin, he did all the test flight of the real plane togheter with the test pilot Paolo Barberis former Frecce Tricolori Pilot .
Ferrarin said this C22 is really fly close as the real one !
Well thank you very much for your efforts Renato! Yourself, Mario and Carlo did a wonderful job with the aircraft! You can tell the flight model is “authentic”, just from the way it flies. It’s a lovely little addon and it seems everyone is enjoying it very much in MSFS : )
All the best!
This jet was my first purchase. I love it. It will glide forever.
Awesome, Yuri! The C22J is such a little gem, I’m really glad you’re enjoying it. Happy flying and all the best! : )
Looks like something you see in a bond movie. Looking forward too seeing this in the SIM.
Haha it does, doesn’t it! Like the jet equivalent of Little Nellie XD
Apparently the military variant even had hard-points, so it would be very 007-appropriate!
It’s actually already available from Simmarket, should you wish to pick it up. Cheers! : )
I bought this based on your review. It is fantastic! You can't go wrong.
Perfect! Well I’m very happy to hear you’re enjoying it Jeremy! As you say, at €10 it would be hard to go too wrong; but what’s astonishing is it has probably the best sounds and flight model in the sim at the moment to boot. Not to mention it’s just great fun! An amazing effort from the developer. I hope he reconsiders the textures, not because they bother me, but because I’m sure it will help him sell more units and he deserves the money!
Happy flying! : )
This is so calming 😍.....those sunsets/rises in msfs 20 looks amazing and clouds.... nothing better than vanishing in clouds and suddenly reappear on other side of them..... it's like a therapy to relax and forget about the world around you.....
Yeah, lighting and weather are the real strengths of the sim. The sunrises / sunsets do tend to look particularly beautiful. I agree, there’s something magical about coming through the clouds and popping up above! : )
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks as always!
Another beautifully balanced review. I’d initially overlooked this as I prefer VFR single prop spam-cans but after it appeared in your ‘top 10’ review of 2021 I decided to give it a whirl. What a joy! The flying characteristics are a dream and the lack of ‘glass instrumentation’ is refreshing. It certainly requires a handful of air brake but the wheel brakes are very effective. The low sitting position gives a good sensation of speed.
Hi Andy,
Ah well I’m really glad I’ve managed to put at least one other person onto the little C22J. It’s a cracking little plane and at €10, well worth a punt! As you say, a real joy to fly and I love the retro feel of it, worth every penny!
Happy flying : )
Nice and fair review as usual!!!
I agree with you about the fact that it's not a product for everyone but it is to me!!
Thanks Stéph! I try my best haha.
Yeah, obviously it won’t be to everyone’s tastes, but it seems to have been very warmly received by all those who have purchased it so far! I just had another brilliant flight in it myself. Definitely the best value for money offering in the sim at the moment and arguably the best sounds / flight model as well. No small achievement for what I presume is a one-man development team!
Glad you’re enjoying it too! All the best : )
I bought this soon as I heard about it because a) it's cheap and b) it's not another bush plane. This is a real unexpected gem of an aircraft. I really like that it doesn't have the infamous springy flight model like many MSFS planes do.
I actually think the interior visuals are great. I can see one mirrored texture on the seat and a couple of low poly areas but it's like the JF Arrow; good where it needs to be. It's got a cool early-80s supercar vibe to it.
I feel this is slightly redundant, but great review as usual :)
Couldn’t agree more Roland, it was such a pleasant surprise what a wonderful little aircraft the C22J is! Hats off to the developer as well, for not adding another €10 on there because “MSFS” (although frankly he could and it would still be worth the price). I’m hoping he sells lots of units, a lot of other developers could learn a trick or two about how it should be done! The flight model of this jet has actually made me reconsider what is even possible in MSFS, I had assumed that perhaps the “springy” flight models would be here to stay until Asobo did something about it, but it seems the sim is more than workable in reality. If a solo dev can do it, again, no excuses for anyone else!
I agree on the visuals, maybe I could have been more articulate, but I actually really like them myself. I know that they won’t be to everyone’s taste though, so I think it’s better to be clear on that. I hope the dev considers an overhaul on the textures, again I’m sure it would help him shift some more units. A brilliant jet though and brilliant fun!
Haha, pepping my ego is never redundant! XD
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Cheers Roland. Happy flying!
This odd little aircraft REALLY won me over. Yes, it's a bit rough on some of the visuals, but it flies like a dream, sounds excellent and has great attention to detail. I'd say it's grossly underpriced considering other add-ons that are less in-depth charge much more. And the developer has said he'll be improving the visuals a bit. You can also download a new texture pack on the Microsoft Flight Simulator official forum that has several color options for the dash and trim in the cockpit. They help make it look just a bit nicer. With that pack, highly recommended indeed.
Absolutely Bjorn! The C22J was a really pleasant surprise, a real “hidden” gem. Difficult to find fault with it (other than the visuals, which I still like personally + as you say, they are being worked on further). At its current price, it’s an absolute steal and arguably the best value for money in the sim! I will definitely take a look at the texture pack myself.
Thanks and happy flying! : )
Thanks, Just got it
Happy flying, Marcus - I do hope you enjoy the little C22J! Cheers : )
Totally agree with the "diamond in the rough" appraisal. A lot of pleasant surprises with this one, and a true oddball given that three of them ever were completed to flying status. Now, if only Mr. Noriega would consider applying his talents to producing the Morane-Saunier MS 760 Paris jet, an early 60's 4-place. Was surprised to see online that there are still some of those around in real world!
Glad you agree Gary; for me the C22J is exactly how one should go about creating / marketing such an addon. Sure it’s somewhat of a port-over and a bit dated in the visual department, but it ticks every other box and it’s clear that Mario put a *lot* of love, care and attention into the aircraft. It’s brilliant fun and he hasn’t tried to charge “MSFS prices” for it, just because. I really take my hat off to him and really enjoy the Ventura.
He may well be open to suggestions; I’d imagine he’s actually done quite well off the back of the C22J in MSFS. I must admit I had to google the MS 760 - I’m still not sure what I make of it haha. It’s definitely one of those aircraft that’s both somewhat ugly and beautiful at the same time. Looks interesting though for sure.
Cheers Gary, happy new year! : )
Thank you for the review 👍👍👍 got it because it is a exotic nice plane. For the price it is exceptional awesome.
Take care buddy and greetings from my CC (😁)
Haha, back on the credit card again already - I’m so sorry! XD
Good news is it’s a cheap one and completely excellent! Best value for money in the sim at the moment, hands down.
Happy you’re enjoying her; hey, maybe your credit card is too - I’m sure it would like it if a few more addons were only £10! ; )
Cheers! : )
This thing looks awesome! I have been wanting a jet to rocket around in exploring. For the price, can't go wrong. Also, that design looks like it affords awesome views.
It’s such a great option for exploring. All of the views, but at twice the speed (should you so wish). Just did a lovely little hop in NZ myself. Really glad to hear you’re enjoying it also. This little jet (and Mario) deserves all the praise it gets! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations The Dev Mario released notes today. He plans on updating all the textures! I bought it yesterday and flew it for a few hours. Great little jet. Lots of fun, and you need to watch it on approach and landing.
Awesome! Very much looking forward to that then! : D
Thanks for the info : )
very Nice Plane in VR.
I’ll bet! I’m sure it’s great fun. Looking forward to trying it myself when I get the chance : )
Cheers!
Fantastic we jet, anyone out there get it like now it's great fun to fly & great video, Slainte
Absolutely Conleth! It’s well worth picking up and the developer deserves every penny of support. A real joy of an aircraft.
Glad you enjoyed the vid! All the best : )
Subscribed today to keep well informed about so much. Well done indeed.
Thank you very much Rob! Very happy to hear you’re finding the channel of use and informative. Cheers for the sub, much appreciated.
Welcome aboard! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations My wife calls me lots of names but not Rob....
Haha, apologies *Rog*! That was a bit shoddy wasn’t it. . . (what’s even more concerning, is I double-checked haha!) Apparently literacy isn’t my forte.
I’ll endeavour to get it right next time. I’ll leave the nicknames to your wife ha! ; )
Oh cool, I always wanted to fly that aircraft!
Haha, perfect then! Thats definitely a more unusual aircraft to have a desire to fly; I must admit I hadn’t actually heard of it until 2 days ago. Well, now you can see what’s she’s like, virtually at least; an absolute joy is the answer haha!
Happy flying!
I put a comment on here last night but it failed, possibly because I put links to the aeroplane's webpage and for simMarket could be purchased. I did so purely because I actually found it a bit difficult to find and there was no link to it here. Anyway I loved the review and on the basis of that, bought the aircraft. It all comes back to hand flying - there's no autopilot - but it is fun. 95% of my view takes place in the cockpit and I found it fine. I could clearly read the instruments and for a jet, it was relatively straight forward to fly. She wanted to wander on the take off roll and landing but I put that down to the sim as all aircraft tend to do that. Love it and intend to fly it lots!!
Yes, sorry about that! I saw you had posted (I get a notification), but RUclips automatically deletes almost every post with a link in it, there’s nothing I can do about it unfortunately (I don’t know why I can’t simply vet the posts and decide which links are acceptable etc. . .). Anyway, your point is a good one, so I’ve posted and pinned a comment with a link to the product page!
As you say, it’s a lovely little jet, deserves to make it into everyone’s virtual hangars! : )
Thanks for the original post. I appreciate it, even if RUclips didn’t XD
For £10 that is a brilliant buy - very 'user friendly' price and for that kind of money there is not a great deal to complain about. Sounds are definitely brilliant and really nice scenery too :-). Great, detailed video as always. Thank you :-)
Thanks James! Yes, it’s to be highly commended that the developer didn’t go down the “MSFS-pricing” route. I hope he sells a lot of units as a result, he thoroughly deserves it! Kind of laughable though that one man managed to pull all of this off - the jet has probably the best flight model in the sim to date, the same goes for the sounds. Makes you wonder what a couple of other devs have been up to haha. . .
Just took another flight in it today and thoroughly enjoyed it!
Cheers! : )
The plane is a real surprise to me. Twin jet engine.. in a small GA format? That's really cool. I think this could make a really great intro to jet engines for those like me who aren`t too keen on the big passenger ones.
It is very cool, lovely to fly also; I think it would make a great introduction to jet operations! It basically flies like a typical GA aircraft (albeit faster), so it definitely bridges the gap between the two types.
Cheers, all the best! : )
Nicely done video! Reminds me of the T-37 I flew in pilot training. I certainly would have back-taxiied to use all of the available runway. Much of your takeoff roll will have taken place between refusal speed and single-engine takeoff speed. Lose an engine during that time, and you're neither stopping on the remaining runway or taking off! I wonder what the single-engine climb rate would be? I think I'll have to buy it and find out!
Hi Haverel,
Thanks very much, I’m glad you enjoyed the vid!
Haha, for sure; in reality, I’ll always take as much runway as I can get however, when making videos, I try to be a little bit more expeditious (where I can ; )
I’m glad the video brought back some nice memories - I’ll be the T-37 was good fun to fly! How did you go with the single-engine in the C22J haha?
Happy flying and all the best : )
Thanks for another excellent review. I bet it gets hot in that cockpit with all that glass.
Thank you very much, my pleasure! : )
Haha, I’ll bet that might well be the case in Italy. Probably not such an issue in the UK ; )
All the best!
Based on the Caproni Calif A21 glider. I 'love' this machine...the real one is at Volandia museum near Milaan.
So I gather Steven. A lovely little aircraft indeed! I’ll have to go take a look if I ever find myself in Milan then : )
Cheers, all the best!
That “in your face” low res canopy pillar spoils it for me.
Fair enough. I knew the textures wouldn’t be to everyone’s taste. I do hope the developer sees fit to give the aircraft some high-res textures at some point. It’s already a lovely jet and one of the best aircraft in the sim overall, but I’m sure he would sell a lot more units (and deserves to) if he updated the textures.
Cheers! : )
How on earth did they squeeze two jet engines in there? I bet the n2 is the size of my Dysons impeller! I can't see any intakes in your shots? Looks like fun though. Does the VOR/DME work?
It is on top. It starts between and behind the two people. You can see it about 20 mins in.
I spent the good first 5 minutes of the video trying to understand why a glider had wing tip tanks lol! it's quite a feat to have it all packed in such a small plane.
@@torgsmith7821 got them thanks!
@@Cidrila you read my mind! Looks like a glider😁
Haha, that was my thought too David! My other thought was “why”? Two is better for redundancy of course, but seems a bit unnecessary in such an aircraft (presumably it was a requirement from the Military). Apparently each engine produces an astonishing 220lbs of thrust! So your Dyson might yet be more powerful haha XD
I’ll have to test the VOR / DME and get back to you. I’ve no reason to suspect they won’t work though (they are certainly both operable, so it would be very strange if they didn’t work).
Cheers!
I am waiting to see your play about with the skypirat :)
Haha, well it wasn’t actually one I was planning on picking up, but I must admit it does look like a nice challenge and it’s quite spectacular seeing people whizz down valleys etc! So perhaps when I’m stuck for something to do on a rainy day, I’ll take a look; show you guys my talents at smacking my head into a tree at 200mph XD
Cheers! : )
it's like the Fiat 500 of jets. i thought it was a glider at first!
Haha, very much so Bernard! It does have a little more “get up and go” than the Fiat 500 though, despite its piddly little engines only producing 220lbs of thrust (each) apparently!
I think it does have some glider heritage to it. It was described to me as a “ jet-powered glider” (accurate haha). Initially I had very limited interest in taking a look, but I’m so glad I reconsidered! : )
Cheers!
BTW, I am always being critical of the sometimes stuttery look of your videos... this one is buttery smooth. So whatever you did, it worked.
Nice! Haha, I didn’t see it as being critical, feedback is always useful / welcomed!
Well, all I had to do. . . was spend a load of money on new hardware ha! XD
I was due an upgrade anyway, so thought I’d bite the bullet. I’m really happy with the performance generally speaking much smoother overall (even more-so in reality than probably comes across in the videos). The only issue I have at the moment, is a stutter when looking up and down through the horizon, but I gather that’s basically down to the sim no longer caching enough scenery and then loading up the CPU again each time (post update 5) - apparently Asobo will be adding a chaching slider option to remedy this. Just typical isn’t it; you go and buy a load of new speedy RAM and then the sim gets changed, not to make best use of it haha.
Anyway, I’m really glad you think it’s more watchable now! Hopefully it continues. . .
Cheers! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well, it was still a critique of the video in some ways. What did you upgrade?
Basically picked up a new computer, minus the GPU (kept my 2080 for now). So a much speedier, more modern CPU and RAM, better cooling as well. Overall I’m very happy with it. I think once Asobo give us the chaching slider for the scenery (which I hear is coming), the RAM will come into its own and then hoooopefully, I’ll be pretty much stutter free! XD
Cheers : )
For $10 US I think I'll pick it up. I have the BEDE BD-5J and this one seems to be like it would be fun to fly as well.
Hi Travis,
Obviously it’s only my opinion, but I think the C22J is excellent value - particularly as it’s on sale currently. Well worth the money, great fun and surprisingly detailed.
If you do pick it up, I hope you enjoy it!
All the best : )
Texturing has been updated to 4K. Lovely improvement!
So I gather John! Really looking forward to testing out the update for myself, when I finally get the chance.
Thanks for the info! All the best : )
Does the DME work, does it have an autopilot and does it work? I notice that it has an ADF which almost no one has used since 1960 and obviously no GPS at least I can see none. So, for navigation that leaves the compass, DG and VOR. Does that sum up its navigation instruments?
Hi Zzstaff.
That sounds about right. DME I can’t 100% remember off the top of my head, but I think it does. No autopilot, no GPS etc. It’s pretty old-school and very hands-on overall (but great fun to fly as a result).
Does that help? All the best! : )
Clear intakes! Very interesting and unique plane if a bit of an ugly duckling, basically a jet powered glider. Most of those textures don't look too terrible but the stick texturing is quite bad and 'sticks' out for me, also the canopy frame texture as that's right in your face. I do like the cockpit layout as well, nice and retro. Sounds quite nice as well although as you mentioned that air brake is a bit odd. I've seen a few positive posts about this on the official forums and elsewhere and was thinking about buying it but on the fence but your video has convinced me to buy. So my wallet hates you yet again! Still it's quite cheap so it can't complain too much ;). Thanks a lot for the video. You provide a great service to the community! Oh and you should really take a look at the Ryan ST-A Special. It's another one of those hidden gems that ain't too expensive and also looks quite stunning. It's one of my favourites!
Haha, an ugly duckling indeed. Externally the design aesthetics don’t do much for me, but internally it’s whole different ball game. I love the panel and it is quite nice looking off to the side and seeing those tip tanks, even when you realise you’re only sat about 30cm off the ground haha.
The graphics don’t actually bother me (I like the “feel” as I say), but I mentioned it as I know for sure it will bother some.
Sorry to be bringing the credit card out once again! Still I think this is something we can / should? all get on board with. A great little jet which, a few textures aside, gives even the biggest developers a run for their money. A complete joy to fly and beyond fairly priced. Mario is to be applauded, this is how it’s done!
I hope you’re enjoying it also?
I do have the Ryan waiting in the wings. I agree, another lovely little addon. Poor thing keeps getting pushed back as other stuff comes up though. I probably won’t review it at this point, but I have a nice little flight idea in mind! : )
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Bought it but haven't actually flown it yet. I'm grounded due to spraining my ankle last week and can't use my rudder pedals. Same deal with the Nieuport which I can't wait to take for a spin. It's on the mend though so hopefully not long now until I'm back in the virtual skies!
Ah yes, that’s right, you’re AOG at the moment! and indeed I still need to reply to your previous message. . . I’m working my way through everyone slowly - that’s one of the trickier aspects of posting 3 videos in 4 days haha.
Get well soon!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It's pretty admirable how much you interact with us below the liners, must take a fair bit of time though! In years to come when you've no doubt broken into the mainstream, attracting millions of views and a deluge of comments that no mortal could possibly keep up with, we'll look back at these more simpler time with a faraway misty look in our eyes remembering the more cosy era and with a broken voice yell 'clear prop!' in salute.
Haha, well one tries ones best ; )
I wouldn’t worry too much about any mainstream fame, I think the channel / my presentation style is a bit “niche” for that hehe. I suspect it may get to the point where I’m unable to keep up with everyone - it’s already tough at times and work will be getting busier again soon, but it’s definitely a part of having the channel that I enjoy. There’s plenty of room to ease up on workload with the comments mind you; sometimes I become a bit of a glorified google search engine haha.
Hahaha, well hopefully I won’t bring you all to that! Even when I’m living in my penthouse and sipping champagne, I’ll try and find time to reply to you Megadyptes! XD
Personally I feel like the wind noise is a bit excessive. I thought it's more noticeable on gliders due to the lack if engines to drown it out. The small turbojets even at idle would be enough to drown most of that out IMO. I could be wrong as I'm not a pilot. I know it's based off of a glider which makes me think they used existing audio from one mixed with the BD-5J soundtrack... I've certainly never been in a plane or watched a video of one with that much wind noise. I only really notice it on towed gliders.
Hi Robert,
You could be right. I've flown all sorts over the years, but never anything remotely like the C-22J (other than gliders), so I have no accurate frame of reference as to how it might actually sound - you might be surprised just how much wind noise there is, sat up the front of a jet at high speed though, it can get pretty loud (all the more so, in a small aircraft with little soundproofing I would imagine). The C-22J's turbojets are pretty tiny and with them being behind the pilot, they might not actually make all that much noise (at least that's audible from the cockpit). That's just speculation on my part though. . .
It's certainly possible that the wind noise has been overdone, but I would say it's better to have it than not. Personally I think it's something that's sorely lacking in a lot of MSFS aircraft and I think the addition of wind noise is one of the reasons the C-22J is such an immersive little aircraft.
That's just my two pennies worth though. . . All the best! : )
Thanks for the response. I guess it can be hard to appreciate how windy it can be up there when I've only sat in the back. It's a good point that those little turbojets would probably get drowned out fairly easily.
My pleasure Robert!
Indeed, at high indicated airspeeds, things get loud enough that you rather have to raise your voice to chat with the guy next to you. Now of course the “high speed” I’m referring to, is quite a bit quicker than the little C22J will ever manage to go, but then again it doesn’t look like there’s much in the way of soundproofing in the Ventura’s cockpit haha.
Cheers! : )
Idunno.. it looks Ok I guess, but the engine sound seems positively whimpy. I guess it's not easy to get sounds right. I do like the wind noise you hear as you pick up speed though :)
Ordinarily I would definitely agree with you, but these things apparently put out 220lbs of thrust (that isn’t a typo!) - so wimpy just about sums it up perfectly haha. Seems there are existing RC jet engines that basically have the same power output XD Quite amazing really!
To each their own of course though! I’m sure this thing is not everybody’s cup of tea. . .
Cheers! : )
Just to be sure I'm reading and understanding this right, for takeoff, we need full flaps and 25% or 50% up trim based on flying solo or having one passenger, right? Climb is a matter of slowly bringing the flaps up and reducing trim, approach is a matter of increasing flaps and adding up trim? And then for landing, we have again full flaps, 25% or 50% trim up and speed brakes full?
Is this because of the narrow wings not generating enough lift at slow speeds?
Hello William,
That sounds about right yes. I couldn’t find the reference for the specific trim setting? but my understanding is full flaps for takeoff and landing, full speed-brakes for the landing as well. I’ve generally been using neutral trim for the takeoff (which seems to work ok) and then just trimming for 95kts on the approach.
I’m not sure about the lift vs weight of the aircraft. On the one hand, the aircraft is actually based on a glider, so I’d imagine the wings produce quite a bit of lift. On the other hand, there’s probably been a lot of weight added to the airframe. Spoilers on landing are probably partially to help keep the speed back (it does tend to run away a bit otherwise) and also to help keep some thrust on and keep the jet rpms up.
Sorry that’s all a bit vague haha. Cheers, all the best! : )
I have tried EVERYTHING I can think of to turn off the Terrain (low attitude) Alarm. Nothing works. Any advice?
Hi Duane,
Any luck yet? I recall at the time it was pretty straightforward and just a case of turning the unit off. Perhaps something got broken in one of the sim updates (or the recent product update). I haven’t got the C22J installed at the moment, but I keep meaning to reinstall it. Let me know if you’re still having issues and I’ll see what I can figure out!
Cheers! : )
looks she arrives from fs9
It does a bit (I believe I read somewhere that there is a freeware FS9 version this aircraft actually haha), but looks can be misleading. She’s a great little aircraft actually! ; )
All the best!
Great review of a nice small jet, the only thing I found wrong with the aircraft was when i stopped in high grass and I open the canopy the grass appears in the cockpit, when I close the canopy the grass disappears, other than that it a great aircraft.
Thanks Gerry!
Yes indeed, a really nice little jet, great value for money. Apparently it will be getting a texture overhaul as well, which is great to hear! Ah, I didn’t notice that myself. Sounds like a bit of a strange modelling quirk. Hopefully it will get fixed up. It would help if Asobo could trim the grass a bit at airfields mind you, it always seems to be about 2 ft tall haha.
Glad you’re enjoying the C22J! All the best : )
I just saw someone else review this and was wondering how long it'd be before you do!
Haha, well there you go! Thanks very much for watching, hope you enjoyed it! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I just found this, and I enjoy all your videos!
ruclips.net/video/qA7O8RjR6_g/видео.html
It’s 5.5€ today in the World Update IX: Italy & Malta sale.
Worth absolutely every penny (or cent haha) then Gabriel : )
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Even for that price I had to hear your opinion first, before buying.
Haha, well the C22J is one of my favourites actually! A little dated on the textures, but an amazing little jet for the price.
Thanks very much, I shall do my best! Happy flying : )
Now I thought I heard you say flap indicator is not seen (or was it another video?) but anyways: it is under the transponder with the trim indicator as well.
Thanks Rene! I was actually saying that the flap control switch was one of the only things seemingly not animated in the cockpit, but I appreciate the tip-off nonetheless. Cheers : )
Does it have autopilot?
It doesn’t I’m afraid Gary. All hands on in the little C22J.
All the best : )
Thank you for this review!
Didn't you think that the radio knobs are a bit out of proportion? I really like jets, but as time goes on in this pretty simulated world i learned to enjoy the slower planes again.
I noticed the stuttering is better/more subtle now. How is it when you are not recording, do you notice it?
One hint, make sure you have set your fabric clock in the bios "FCLK" to half your memory clock (3600 -> 1800), as the Infinity fabric interlink on Zen3 works with a 2:1 ratio.
Otherwise the system will run like a lemon... and in my opinion the Precision Boost algorith that is built in Zen3 is really good, so i wouldn't bother with a manual overclock, it runs great without fiddling around...
I hope you are happy with your new CPU?! Pushing it to 60-70% is pretty easy low and fast over cities... 💙
They are maybe just a smidge bigger than the real units, nothing that detracted from the overall aesthetic of the panel though I felt?
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Yes, my simulation habits have changed a lot over the years. I used to be all about the tube-liners, the more “study level” the better. Now I’m very much the “low and slow” type of simmer by preference. This little jet is quite versatile in terms of speed though. You can fairly comfortably get her back at 120kts, so not a whole lot faster than the Turbo Arrow or something. I tend to cruise at 180kts in it. It’s nice if you want to cover a longer trip.
I’m glad the stuttering situation has seemingly improved! I think what you’re seeing now is more of a sim issue than a hardware issue. The only noticeable stutters I get are when panning through the horizon. I see lots of others have the same. I think it’s basically all of that un-cached scenery loading back in and choking up the CPU (typical, that now I have some nice speedy RAM, the sim isn’t making as much use of it haha). I gather Asobo are going to put a slider in to allow the user to chose how much scenery is cached. I think it’s more noticeable with TrackIR, as you’re panning around more rapidly etc.
Other than that though, I have to say I’m very pleased with the new setup! Certainly waaay more smooth on my end (though it never felt as bad as it looked in the videos to be fair). I’m GPU-bound now instead, so I guess that’s progress ; )
Thanks for the tip! I’ve set it as you suggested. It was just on “Auto” before. I’ll probably leave the CPU as it is for the time being yes. Maybe I’ll look into overclocking when it’s nearing the end of its life haha. Thanks again for your help!
Glad you enjoyed the review once again! All the best : )
Well - I would say that is rather a shocker. Externally - not that great, internally - it looks nice and old. The sound is amazing, and I really liked the external shot of the jet start - the use of different particle effects making it look really impressive and real to my mind. Brilliant sounds - except now when I do buy this plane all I will hear is the drinking straw. The wind sound is so good - actually makes me feel cold. Externally it looks a bit like a glider from a certain point of view. Formal wear pilots in waistcoats, all-male crew. My current bugbear with certain developers not having female pilots (Carenado seem to use middle aged white men). Anyway - a lovely video, very informative and fair. For the money you can't go wrong. thank you as always (ps i changed my screen name, you don't need to change what you have for me though) ...ps "clear jet"
Indeed a very pleasant little surprise this one! I think it does in fact have some glider heritage, hence the looks; and hey, it might be two blokes in the cockpit, but at least they’ve gone flying in their Sunday best (as one should of course!) : P
As you say (and I think I said too haha), for the money, it’s a steal! Did you pick it up in the end? If so, hope you’re enjoying it! Apparently the textures will be getting an overhaul, which is great to hear.
I tell you what the real shocker is. . . almost didn’t recognise you for a second there Mark, with the new pic etc! ; )
All the best! : )
I would gladly pay twice as much if the quality of the textures were doubled. Wind sound is a nice feature but it seems it is in mono onlu, a missed opportunity.
Hi Lars,
Apparently the textures will be getting a re-work actually. Great to hear, as I’m sure it will help sell some more units and this little bird deserves to do well! Hadn’t noticed the mono nature of the wind sounds myself, hopefully they can fix that up as well then.
Cheers : )
Would you be able to tell me why my FPS drop and I get stutter when I fly lower
Hi Gary,
I’m afraid I don’t know exactly what might be causing that. Presumably flying lower down, the sim is rendering more autogen and loading up your CPU. I found that I was getting stutters after Sim Update 5, but the addition of the scenery cache slider (I forget what it’s actually called) has allowed me to sort that (for the most part). It would depend on your system setup, as to what the best course of action may be. I certainly wouldn’t consider myself a hardware / setup expert though I’m afraid. . .
Is it a significant FPS drop, or just a noticeable impact?
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thank you for your time
My pleasure Gary! Sorry I couldn’t be of more help.
All the best : )
Can some one help me with proper configuration for landing. How much trim, flaps, power and speed breaks and V-Speeds
Hi William,
It’s full flaps, full speed brake and trim for 95kts on landing. Then you can just adjust power to keep the aircraft on your desired descent path essentially.
I hope that helps? All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks alot. I really appreciate it. This little jet is real slippery so it likes to float on landing and is otherwise hard to slow down
My pleasure William! Yeah, the C22J can be rather slippery, hence the full speedbrakes for the landing I guess : )
Graphics seem worse since update. Others agree?
Yes, I would say so Mark. I have good and bad days with MSFS. Sometimes I’m blown away (usually by the lighting and / or weather), other days I’m disappointed by it. The scenery can look flat-out bad at times. Definitely more blurry for me since the update and I get a stutter every time I look through the horizon (it seems due to the scenery load-in) which is far more noticeable with TrackIR.
Seems to be a lot of swings and roundabouts with MSFS. Generally speaking I still think it’s headed in a positive direction though.
Cheers : )
An unexpected gem. And if you change the weight of the pilot or the co-pilot to 136 lb or less, their male avatars will be replaced by females 😊
Isn’t it just Paul! I was somewhat sceptical making the purchase, but was ultimately so happy that I did. Still flying the jet now and enjoying it very much indeed. I must admit, never took the time to adjust the pilot weights; that’s another nice little touch then! : )
Cheers, all the best!
Why dont you go make better textures for this aircraft then? You do this on pretty much every release, find some hidden spot in a landing gear well and complain about textures. This thing is just fine! There are more expensive products out there thats worse.
This is one of the best releases I've had, very little of any issues with this thing so far, its just lovely. I did have the antivirus problem and its been a bit annoying but imagine its a false positive from Microsoft, as Malwarebytes found nothing.
Go after the devs that release unflyable aircraft because they think it should be a pain in the butt even tho when reading the manuals and reviews from people of the real plane its said to be pretty easy to take off in, and adding trim is optional.
Mean while other similar aircraft for the sim has gotten updated and now behaves beautifully. Think most of you can figure out what I'm talking about.
When this is brought up the dev call you names and its defenders too.
Hello, I don't quite understand your anger.
Didactically, everything belongs to an excellent factual review. Even the few negative aspects. If you look at the message of the review more closely, the reviewer says that it is the best jet to date for Msfs2020. Objectivity never means not seeing things or trivialising them.
I find the review didactically excellent. One should only always start with the positive aspects first in the final review.
Take care of yourself.
He’s allowed and quite frankly most people are very happy to know all the details especially if we are paying our money for something. Things move on in terms of quality, and while some things are more important than others, a fully comprehensive review should be praised, not attacked, that’s just dumb.
Hi Murdoch,
I think that's a somewhat unfair characterisation? Indeed, I do tend to look into some of the more hidden-away areas of a product during my reviews, but this isn't done in an effort to find some sort of "gotcha", it's merely to try and get a feel for the quality of the product throughout. I don't recall ever having said "the textures are blurry - don't buy the aircraft" or anything of a similar nature - I don't think I've ever even "complained" about it; it's merely been done as a point of reference for those who are interested.
As far as this being one of the best releases for the sim so far, I completely agree! I said as much a number of times throughout the review. . . That doesn't mean one can't be critical of certain aspects of the product however. These reviews are not created for my benefit; personally I'm actually not too fussed about texturing in general, but I know the textures of the addon will not be to everyone's taste and so again, it was pointed out as a point of interest. Cleary my critique was not wholly invalid, as the developer is in fact giving the addon an overhaul in the texturing department.
To my mind, it's not a question of "going after" anyone. I try my best to give every addon a fair and informative review. Of course this process can be rather subjective in nature, but I always start out looking to give the product the best review that I can and then work my way backwards from there. I realise a lot of hard work goes into most of these addons, work that I do not have the requisite skills to accomplish myself. Once again though, I don't critique it for the sake of deriding a devs work, I critique it so that the customer can understand what they are purchasing.
As for anyone calling anyone names (if I understand you correctly?), I honestly couldn't care less. I would hope that it's clear from the way that I structure my videos, that I actually go to some time and effort to showcase any products that I feature, in as positive a light as I can. Any negative critique is not a personal attack on the developer, but for the info of the viewer / customer. I don't believe there is a single dev I haven't critiqued (or indeed praised) where it was due. Names are fine, if that's how people want to play it. . .
Anyway, just my two pennies worth; at attempt to explain things on the other side of the fence.
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It's funny, I've watched a few of your reviews now and after watching this one, I thought 'I really must subscribed to this guy'....the main reason why is because you cover everything, from starting the buggers up, to landing them and shutting um down. I'm off now to buy this aircraft based not solely, but mostly on your review. Thanks.
Well thanks very much! Yes, that’s certainly what I aim for (to give the aircraft a thorough shakedown). I figure if I do my best to operate it by the book, then any bugs etc will show themselves naturally. I’m sure my reviews aren’t to everyone’s tastes and that’s fine honestly; you learn very quickly on RUclips, that you can’t please everyone all of the time, I think it would be unreasonable to expect otherwise haha. It seems that quite a few people do enjoy the vids / find them useful though and as I enjoy making them, that’s great!
Thanks very much for the subscription, welcome aboard! I hope you’re enjoying the little C22J : )