The condition that Joker has in this film is a genuine medical disorder. It is known as the ‘Pseudobulbar effect’ and can afflict people with severe mental illnesses or head trauma. It comes in two forms; chronic laughter and chronic crying. Both of which occur completely randomly and oftentimes in inappropriate situations The first is what Arthur has in this film. There are actually videos of people on the internet who have the laughing variation and Joaquin Phoenix studied them relentlessly. They are very easy to find and are actually heartbreaking to watch. And it’s set in 1981. Not the 70s.
Jen: "Did you not split the KitKat bars? Before eating them?" She thought she was watching a movie about a psychopathic maniac. Turns out, she's watching a movie *with* one.
Yeah I use to have that a lot in my elementary and middle school years. Like anytime someone said a joke I couldn't stop laughing & I would have a hard time saying one.
Yeah, kid at my school laughed his head off when a girl started hyperventilating. He was so apologetic afterwards, but we all saw it was a nervous reaction, not his fault. Teacher reassured him it was OK. He had a history of laughing when scared.
Joaquin Phoenix killed it as the Joker. Not just that, but as a believable character suffering from a disorder. This movie is unbelievable. Love you guys, keep up the awesome work!
he was really great in this movie, but not as the joker, but as arthur having a mental problem, since we only get to see him totally become the joker in the last few minutes of the movie..
I get that. Maybe not as any version of Joker we're familiar with. Honestly you could take out the DC elements and have this be it's own standalone movie and it would work just as well
@@jasonvoorheescampblood I agree. Joaquin Phoenix did a great job, but I think he was too old for the part. I would be interested to see what he could have done with this role 21 years ago; anyone remember him as the crazy Emperor Commodus in Gladiator?
I personally thought the movie was terrible. I also feel like people are afraid to give it proper criticism due to it being built around mental disorder
Actually, the theatre shooter didn't call himself the Joker, he only had red hair, no one referred to him as the Joker but the media. In fact, the shooter planned on shooting up a different auditorium but decided to shoot up the dark knight rises one instead because there were more people watching in that one.
I was looking for somebody pointing this out. Media is evil. They constantly do this. They tried it with this movie too. It was supposed to be a "wolf whistle for Trumpers". Then entirely ignore all the beatings that happened at Black Panther showings because the wrong people went to see it.
The fridge scene is incredible. wasnt planned or anything, Joaquin Phoenix was on set and randomly got into the fridge and it sent a huge message to the lengths people would go to, just to get away from the world, the director praised Joaquin for it and kept it in the movie
I never really looked at it from that perspective, I just always thought it was him trying to kill himself by suffocation especially when it couldn't close all the way and he kept trying to close the door.
@@vulpii8135 I know the scene wasn’t planned but do you think it was just meant to be interpreted as him just wanting to get away from everything or do you think it was an actual suicide attempt? (Suffocation etc.) We see him gesturing that he planned to do it on the Murray show but I think maybe there is more than one attempt shown in the film. I’m not much for awards but it’s nice to hear that Joaquin got his flowers for his efforts.
I watched that trilogy for the first time recently. I was very amused at how Golem was disgusted that Sam cooked his fish into a stew instead of eating it raw lol
LotR is gonna be fun. It took me a few years to enjoy it again. I had a lot of dealings with the IP group that had to approve everything I did at work… Not they are going to make alphabet hobbits and… 💩 don’t get me started…
Jenn's reactions are always the best Fun Fact: The Joker didn't kill the love interest even if there were sirens in the background. They stated that she didn't die because she never did anything wrong to Arthur.
I think they retconned that. In his delusion mind she basically rejected him at his lowest. The lights are coming to investigate a gunshot and collect the body. Why else have them? But then she didn't really do anything to him and it would turn audiences off so they retcon it saying its just a coincidence. That's just silly. He totally killed her. He was unhinged and didn't care anymore. Just like killing the psych at the end.
@@cpob2013 Both the director and Phoenix said he didn't kill Sophie. Todd Phillips was actually taken aback by the question. He said Arthur didn't kill anyone who was kind to him or didn't try to harm him.
Jen: That's what you did with me Holden: *silence* Me: *imagining creeper Holden*
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But it worked! :D I hate ask to date someone who are unknowned to me. I feel a first date a wast of time when we doesnt know each other. It is a wierd concept to go out with someone who are a complete stranger... and from a girls wiev it is more dangerous to do that.. and still.. :D The normal people do this day to day.
In the end when he's talking to the counselor on what it seems to be an asylum/prison he laughs and says that he thought of a joke. Turns out that the joke that he thought of was actually the entire movie that we saw. If you notice, all the watches that appear on the film show the same time as in the last scene, and his revolver fired way more than six rounds. (And the filmmakers basically confirmed that as well). Such a great film.
I don't think this is true at all. If so then they did a horrible job of cluing you into it. I think his laughter at the end and the joke he is referring to is the fact that he had to kill 6 people, one of them on live tv in front of millions, to continue getting his psychological help and meds that were just recently taken away from. Which by this point he no longer wanted because he was too far gone. Hence why he killed her.
The role of The Joker is so iconic that every actor who has played the role has won or been nominated for various high and prestige awards, to include two Academy Awards for Best Actor & Best Supporting Actor. Jack Nicholson won the British version of the Oscar’s for his portrayal of the Joker in the first Batman movie. Every actor has nailed every version of the Joker and I’m glad Jen was able to witness the masterpiece that is The Joker.
I give this movie a 10/10 still. The scene in the stairwell is the most powerful to me. He is not laughing, he is crying. But imagine not being able to distinguish between the 2. Eventually he just cracked, eventually, everything was a joke to him. That really describes the Joker character the best. Joaquin Phoenix did it the best.
I absolutely love this movie. Joaquin did a great job of capturing a Joker who got no breaks in his life, and really had everything against him since his childhood. Coincidentally enough, I've been watching Joker reactions all day, and I'm pretty early to this one. Love the vids and your reactions!
I don’t think it was the mental illnesses that that made him more Joker. It was like the the early tid bits for the movie said, How far can you push someone before they snap?! Arthur was bullied and shit on so much and he’s trying to be a good person and see his doctor and stay on his meds. Once he had enough and had the means to protect himself he took it into his own hands.
I think people suffer from mental anguish when they try to suppress their inner nature, regardless if it comes from a good or bad experience. When it's from a bad place, they think it's bad to feel the way they feel and fight against yet. Just my thoughts and experiences.
Jen: the different Jokers can be differentiated by how they were portrayed in a general sense Cesar Romero - The Clown Jack Nicholson - The Gangster Heath Ledger - The Anarchist Jared Leto - The Psychopath Joaquin Phoenix - The Delusional Mark Hamill - The Joker ;) The ending is also kind of a callback to how the Joker, when asked about his origin changing, said that "I prefer it to be multiple choice", because we don't know if anything of what we saw was true. We know it didn't happen as it was just a delusion in his head: "I thought of a funny joke" he says to the therapist, but yeah, this could just be one of a myriad of random origins that he tells to people to see how they react :P This film is also an accurate indictment of our garbage society that we live in and how we stigmatize anyone that doesn't 'fit in' to these bullshit arbitrary standards :/
Love this movie, loved all the twists and turns and the acting was incredible, Joaquin Phoenix’s performance was amazing, love you guys, keep up the great vids!
I absolutely love this movie and this version of Joker. In MY opinion he’s my favorite joker for the main reason of how real this all feels. The saying “evil isn’t born it’s created” is so powerful and this movie embodies it
I like how this movie has so many interpretations for what actually happened. Once you realize that he is experiencing hallucinations with the girlfriend, that opens the door for questioning many scenes throughout the movie (or even the whole movie). I remember one example focusing on the timing of his laughter. I personally like to entertain the middle ground, where the events of the movie actually happened but we don’t know for sure if they happened exactly as Arthur saw them (like where he got the gun from).
Some people might be like "aww this is too vague," but I like when stories have potential for multiple interpretations or perspectives that are each valid and plausible in their own way. To me, this can greatly enhance the meaningfulness and richness of a story.
I loved this movie but to me it was super obvious the relationship was in his head right away. This movie took so many vibes from films like fight club and taxi driver that it felt obvious
@@AdamRee-lx8uh just because I said that reveal was obvious doesn’t mean I think it’s a bad movie lol. I think its a great movie, loved it in the theatre but the reveal was still obvious to me
Personally my favorite shot in the entire film is right after Joker kills Murray 16:30, he slowly walks towards the camera underneath the blue lights. The lights changing his red and yellow suit into the classic purple and green we know. The cinematography is brilliant.
This movie is just phenomenal. The music leading up to the host being shot. It just gives me chills. Done so well. Then the “joke” when it flashes to Bruce… ugh. Brings up so much emotions.. just very well done…
Both actors did extraordinary jobs in portraying that character. Both Heath and Joaquin won an Oscar for their roles. And they both researched the role very deeply. Jonquin actually spent time reading about the actual condition to portray it correctly. And Heath locked himself away for a few weeks to find it. Very sad that he ended his life before he could see how big of a response that he got. Glad you both enjoyed it. Especially jen!!
I remember watching this film in theatres and just being so on edge the entire time. Joaquin Phoenix' portrayal of the Joker made me feel so uneasy, yet I was captivated by every scene he was in. Although Heath Ledger's Joker is my favorite, Joaquin Phoenix did a fantastic job in showing the Joker in a different light.
When I saw this in the theater I was with my mom (she has a PhD in psychology and loved the film for the acting and the portrayal of mental illness alone). I remember being so uncomfortable during the Murray Show scene but it was one of the best and oddly exciting uncomfortable experiences that I had going to the movies. When the Joker pulled the trigger my mom screamed OH MY GOD so loud and curled up in a ball. Few movies can do that now and be that convincing even for people not into comic book movies. Best film of 2019 in my opinion. The acting alone makes it near perfect.
I’m so glad Joaquin won best actor for his role. He put his all into it. This film is the only film that I love but would have a difficult time rewatching. It’s a film that leaves you with a sullenness that not many others can give you. It’s never going to be fair to compare Joaquin to Heath, so both should be remembered as being incredible in their own rights.
This movie was a masterpiece.... from the acting to the story. and the transition to the insanely genius score, which made it so epic in terms of is character arc. Not to mention his actions which lead to the riots which led to the creation of Bruce Wayne finding his reason to become Batman.... sheer brilliance
I think what the makers of this film wanted to achieve is maybe ask the question: If the Joker were a real character in the real world, how could he (or a variation of him) have come into existence? And while your points about mental illness are definitely appropriate and necessary, I think the film does a good job at finding a way to answer that question. As you rightfully pointed out, many people suffer from mental conditions, depression or very, very bad luck in life, but going about killing people is never a solution. What I personally would reproach the film then, is that it's a bit too sympathetic towards Arthur Fleck / The Joker. I do understand however that it would be hard to make him the protagonist and avoid that entirely. Overall though, the movie is very well done and the acting is excellent.
The difference in the shock on Jen's face when he kills his mother verses when he shoots De Niro's character is a testament to how much Jen likes Robert De Niro
"This way by stalking her like this, he'll find out what he likes, where she goes, so next time he runs into her, he can struck up a conversation about something she's already interested in." "That's what you did with me." Holden Hardman's villain origin story!
This is one of the few movies that felt so real the character actually scared me. Well done to Joaquin and thanks for reacting to one of my favorite DC films!
All I’m saying is Joaquin gave an amazing performance here, and I haven’t finished the video but I hope she enjoys it and gets immersed in that Gotham. Also been religiously watching your MGFW series. Really really good keep it up. Can’t wait for DareDevil ep 5!
As someone who has dealt with mental illness, the emphasis the movie placed on Arthur's mental illness was what touched me the most. Of course as he became the Joker, the sympathy I felt diminished, but in terms of Arthur, it meant so much to me to see a movie that showcases the severe internal and external struggles of mental illness. I know not everyone connects with this in the same way, but just thought I'd provide my perspective.
It also helps explain why Batman does not kill him in the comics. It is because Batman knows he is going through a mental break whenever he appears, and no one else notices.
Casually dropping Jen's favourite movie being Casino!?!? Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Also, that was a great discussion you guys had at the end there, and I respect that this film can bring these conversations forward even if I don't really like it myself.
This channel has come full circle for me! The first video I watched was Holden and Matt reacting to this movie. I had just watched the Joker, wanted to know what other people thought, and it popped up in the search. My how time flies!
This movie's a 9.5 to me. Phoenix's performance is truly inspired. I love that there's absolutely nothing "super", or remotely cartoonish, about *anyone* , especially Arthur. I love that it's impossible not to empathize with Arthur. I love the realism of the social problems Arthur is caught up in and victimized by I love that you *want* to root for Arthur, and that that desire creates conflict within you when he does something horrific. This film is a great piece of art.
I absolutely love the way this film was shot. On second viewing I realized the colors blue and yellow a lot. Not quite sure if they mean anything but it would be dope to know from a design pov. I also loved how Arthur’s actions were influenced by the decay of Gotham (poverty, lack of human/medical resources) and he was also the catalyst for Gotham’s eventual downfall with the violent riots. This movie made Gotham a character too and I love it for that.
Both Heath and Joaquin did great portrayals of this character. My understanding is that the joker has no true single origin story, hinted at when heath ledger’s joker changes every time “you wanna know how I got these scars..?” There are also theories that the whole story in this movie is made up in his head and it’s what he is telling the doctor/nurse at the end.
Jens reaction to Murray getting blasted was one of the best reactions I’ve seen on this channel😂😂 Also I can vouch for her Casino is the greatest movie ever They should watch that!
This movie to me was easily my favorite of all the DC character films. The acting, cinematography, and story were so well done. Joaquin Phoenix has been so incredible in so many films and I don't think anyone else could have pulled this off so well. I knew Jenn would love this film, it has the right amounts of compelling story and gritty darkness.
Personally, Phoenix is my favorite Joker. So far, he exceeded my expectations with playing such a character. I loved to finally see a great backstory to The Joker.
This is such a great movie. Joaquin Phoenix displayed mental illness in such a good way, that the character of joker came more alive. The final line is so powerful as well, when the social worker asked to tell her the joke: "you wouldn't get it". All in all, a great movie, great acting.
I really love this movie so much. My favorite movie of that year. And also in the movie there shows a clock where Arthur is in a insane asylum and in his therapy the clock is positioned in the same spot. Meaning you can’t trust his narrative.
You can actually tell the difference between the laugh when he thinks something is funny and the laugh when he thinks he’s supposed to laugh and that’s such an awesome detail I love it.
I have to disagree with Holden on the emulation of Joker vs other instances of Joker in the other films. In every other adaptation of Joker, there are no real repercussions aside from Batman. In this film, Arthur has no true satisfaction, other than to drive him further over the edge. Other Jokers take great glee and delight in not only the execution, but the planning and exposition, as well as the confrontation. Having voiced the Joker in small projects, that's the appeal in getting into his mindset. The delight of a consequence-free state where anything goes. But given the choice, I'd take the Hamill/Ledger/Nicolson/Romero Joker over Arthur's mind to be evil within any time.
Man, what a day. Only 9 work emails by 11 AM, just cut myself a piece of home made pumpkin pie, a glass of milk, and a Holden Hardman MGW review. What a day! Happy Thanksgiving y'all.
Boston always looks so freaked out. I know it's just her natural expression, but she always looks like she's like "What the hell is going on?!?" But I love it. Both Boston and Falcon are so cute! I'm glad you put them in the videos, and I love the little zoom-in's you do from time to time.
Heath Ledger will always be my favorite Joker in live action but Joaquin Phoniex made me at times feel bad for the Joker knowing how he got to where he's most well known to be at in the character's life. Phoniex killed it as the Joker and made me and some people feel bad for the Joker and what he's gone through in his life
Joaquin did an amazing job in this movie...playing Arthur. A man that becomes the Joker. He didn't really become the Joker until the last bit of the movie, in my opinion. I would really like to see a sequel to this movie where he is Joker the duration of it and if we get that he would probably move up on the list of my favorite versions of The Joker. But for right now Heath's version is still at the top, followed by Mark Hamill.
That laugh IS a real condition. From what I understand, it's like a muscle spasm and is excruciating for those who have it. My Dad works in a psychiatric hospital and pointed out some of the subtleties and how Arthur seems to have multiple mental disorders which means Todd Phillips was super successful in his plan of making this adaptation of Joker undiagnosable (besides the fact that they have an official diagnosis for people who can't be otherwise diagnosed) Edit: Also, fun fact: Joker is left-handed in this movie, much like he is in the comics. It's pretty irrelevant, but it's a nice touch
Heath will always be my favorite. That's why he's on my leg as a tattoo. But Joaquin phoenix killed it here. Really loved this film. My favorite scene was probably the end, when he's standing on the car and makes a smile out of his own blood. Great reaction.✌ And yes that is a real medical condition people have. I believe its called PBA. Pseudo something.....like Pseudobalba Affect. I think. Holden's joke are priceless btw.👍
He actually infamously lost 52 pounds for the role of Joker which was deemed to be both brave and dangerous. He said to have done it by eating only lettuce and pretzels. Joaquin is insanely I guess you could say “motivated” for his roles. Similar to Christian bale.
It really disturbed the establishment media for that. Mental illness has usually been played off at best as a gimmick at worst for laughs. Having a whole movie about the media and society kicking down a good natured but mentally ill oddball to the point he lashes out back at them made a lot of reviewers and critics defensive.
It really disturbed the establishment media for that. Mental illness has usually been played off at best as a gimmick at worst for laughs. Having a whole movie about the media and society kicking down a good natured but mentally ill oddball to the point he lashes out back at them made a lot of reviewers and critics defensive.
There's a great theory that Heath Ledger's Joker is a military veteran suffering from PTSD who's grown disillusioned with society. It explains his physicality, his familiarity with explosives and firearms, how he might have gotten his scars, and also comes up in a line of dialogue he has opposite Harvey in the hospital: "If I tell the press that tomorrow a gangbanger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics. Because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old mayor will die, everybody loses their minds! Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos." To me, he's saying the same thing here as Arthur in this movie when he says "If it was me laying on the sidewalk you'd walk right over me!" Both feel personal, and both are talking about how we place arbitrary value on people depending on their societal status. Joker is all about sticking it to the established order, and I like the consistency across the different portrayals.
Before this movie came out the director and Joaquin Phoenix had both said that this movie was going to be a one and done but then the movie made over a billion dollars at the box office and they have both come out and said that they are open to doing a sequel. Joaquin Phoenix also won best actor at the Oscars for this movie.
Those intro cinrmatics are cool, Normally i dont like reaction channel. But love this one. It dosent feel lazy. Good talks and reactions. And those intros are 💥 Keep doing what your doing. Its great :)
This is a very dark and violent movie, but brilliant in it's darkness. Joaquin Phoenix gives an incredible performance, also the scene of Joker on the talk show is pulled straight from a panel from the Dark Knight Returns graphic novel.
I get what Holden is trying to say, but at the same time it sounds like he read one too many twitter articles that tried to boycott this movie and cancel it for being "a white supremacy incel handbook" or whatever they tried to pin to it. With that logic we should remove villains from every single movie in existence. Its weird that we never hear that kind of criticism about shows like Dexter or Breaking Bad
I just love that almost everything is up to interpretation and the feeling of what all is actually real or not. Whether or not Thomas Wayne really was his father and used his power and influence to shun the mother, or whether or not if anything in the movie happened at all (going off the idea that he's talking to a new therapist at the end and referring to all the events of the movie leading up to the death of Bruce's parents as a joke). Joker himself, in the comics, did say when it comes to his own personal history, he wouldn't want you to know it completely. He'd always prefer multiple choice.
I agree with a lot of Jen’s sentiments with this movie. Personally, I enjoyed it and I thought it was a very good movie, but far from the masterpiece that everyone made it out to be.
I absolutely love this movie from its theme about mental health to the amazing symbols throughout and the artistic direction to more changes of the way the film looks at times. Perfect movie imo. One of the biggest moments was when they stopped chasing after the joker and watched him go down the stairs (his decent into madness) and at this point when be gives in his world goes from being dull to colorfull
To be honest, Jared Leto's Joker had a LOT of potential it's just the reshoots and writing f'd it up, and at the end of ZSJL, we saw a smidge of what could've been and probably more. When he was cast as Joker I just knew in the back of my mind Jared can pull it off and he probably would've if WB hadn't rushed the build-up of DCEU to catch up to MCU. I'm still probably one of the minorities in the fandom that still want to see Jared's potential as Joker because it's there he just needs great writing to back him up.
@Kryptoskillet I do get your point and personally I like how quick DCEU's build-up is but my personal gripe about it is how WB went about it. It may not be as clear to some casuals but to some fans we could clearly see WB was like desperately catching up to what MCU established and in turn "copy" their formula when all they could've done is to let the DCEU team tell the story they wanted and not imitate what's working for others.
@@Pir-o I had some gripes about his design too, but I was more so on how he could act as the character. I was willing to look past the design if it could run with the story they were going through but alas it didn't, plus the writing did not really help Jared's portrayal of the character. Let's face it even fans hated it when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker but due to excellent script and directing it helped his portrayal and if Jared had those advantages during Suicide Squad he would probably singing praises to his Joker.
@Jae Min Jung And yet his performance at the ending ZSJL was just as cringe-inducing and Ledger-derivative. Face it pal. As good an actor as Leto is, there are just some people who can’t play the Joker. You can have great actors who just do a terrible job. Leto’s version was always gonna be terrible. Fact.
A brilliant movie for me the best comic book character movie ever. I feel it is not entirely mental illness which caused the state rather the lack of attention given to the mental illness which makes Arthur that way, it more relatable. Arthur does talk about how it is getting crazier out there he feels there is a problem in the society. In the end he loses all sense of care and starts to believe that they cannot change and by killing he becomes one with the society.
This movie has phenomenal performances, but i hated how they tried to make us feel bad for the Joker and then suddenly he becomes murderous and it’s hard for me to care for him. The Joker is chaos, not some social sob story
@LordLeo That’s the whole fucking point you child. The filmmakers said that they didn’t want us to root for the Joker all the way through. And if you do then you have it wrong. It’s a Joker origin story. Every single version of it has sympathetic elements. The director himself said that the entire point of the movie is that Arthur gets worse and worse and that everyone has a certain moment where they can’t root for him anymore. You are on his side to begin with, but at a certain point, you can no longer justify his actions. You thinking that the film is trying to get us to root for him all the way through just goes to show how much you misunderstood the movie.
@@thomaskilroy4573 ah yes, that was the proper, polite, way to share your opinion. Thanks for your feedback. I can see what the intended effect was, but in my OPINION, it was laid on so thick that it just made me not even enjoy the rest of the movie. Joker plays the victim even in the interview with Murray with the mental illness loner comment. But i could really care less for him at that point, because of how far he went. It made it hard to enjoy his actions because they weren’t chaotic and entertaining, they were just him taking out his feeling of being a victim to society.
@LordLeo Understandable. But it makes sense given the fact that everyone’s point where they let go is different. We all have a different moment in the movie where we cannot justify his actions anymore. That’s the point. For you, your’s came much earlier. Which is fine. Not a bad thing. And you’re not wrong for your feelings regarding it. However, for others, they can still find themselves rooting for him at that point. So the scene on the talk show seems victim playing and guilt tripping to you, but completely justified and correct to others. And again, both opinions are right. Because that’s the intention. For everyone to have a different experience while watching. Each viewers take is unique. Which few movies manage to do nowadays, and part of why this film is regarded as a modern masterpiece of the genre. There are some people who say they can no longer empathise with him from the end of the first act, or even when he takes the gun from Randall, or even earlier in fact. And then there are some who continue to root for him all the way up to the murder of the doctor in Arkham at the very end. In fact, Philips even admitted that the reason he had Joker kill that woman was to be the final straw. To be the thing that finally snapped all the people that still supported him back to reality. The Joker is a killer and a supervillain. We aren’t meant to root for him all the way. And the ending was just Philip’s way of signalling to the audience “See! Now you can’t defend him anymore, he’s gone over the edge”.
This is by far the best superhero movie I have ever seen. No unnecessary comedy, complex plot, non-linear story telling and some of the best acting you will ever see
This movie really resonates with me. In 1981 Reagan Repealed the Mental Health Services Act of 1980, which I’m assuming is what happened in the movie when Arthur lost funding to health services. My grandma was one of the people who was affected by it and I wonder to this day if she’d still be alive if society had actually tried to help her. At the end of the day, no one wants to be stuck in a loop of negative thoughts. Being stuck in your own head with no way of coping like Arthur is a reality for so many people.
This movie is the literal personification of Joker's "Just one bad day" quote.
This film and the dark knight as a double feature is basically a loose adaptation of the killing joke
@@zakstarkiller1850 it's also the first rated R movie to make a billion dollars worldwide at the box office
@@Chuck_EL oh I did not know that
@@Chuck_EL I think it's hilarious that it's R-rated because I think there's only one f*ck the entire movie lol.
@@Hooga89 2 actually
The condition that Joker has in this film is a genuine medical disorder. It is known as the ‘Pseudobulbar effect’ and can afflict people with severe mental illnesses or head trauma. It comes in two forms; chronic laughter and chronic crying. Both of which occur completely randomly and oftentimes in inappropriate situations The first is what Arthur has in this film. There are actually videos of people on the internet who have the laughing variation and Joaquin Phoenix studied them relentlessly. They are very easy to find and are actually heartbreaking to watch.
And it’s set in 1981. Not the 70s.
sounds like a rare version of tourette syndrome
IS this what Kamala Harris has?
@@googleislame kamala hahaharris
Yeah it’s a very sad thing to see. People who are forced to have a reaction.
He doesn’t just have pseudobulbar affect (PBA), he must have several other mental disorders for his behavior to make sense.
Jen: "Did you not split the KitKat bars? Before eating them?"
She thought she was watching a movie about a psychopathic maniac. Turns out, she's watching a movie *with* one.
lmao
Agreed what an absolute savage lol
Eh its better not split
@@Alyumic No it’s not. That’s like eating pizza crust first. Makes no sense.
@@Mistah47 is it stuffed crust or not
The medical condition where you can’t stop laughing is real
Pseudobulbar affect (PBA)
Yeah I use to have that a lot in my elementary and middle school years. Like anytime someone said a joke I couldn't stop laughing & I would have a hard time saying one.
@@littlesparrow303 Maybe you just heard a lot of good jokes in school. Cmon, share some of them with us!
@@Pir-o 😁
Yeah, kid at my school laughed his head off when a girl started hyperventilating. He was so apologetic afterwards, but we all saw it was a nervous reaction, not his fault. Teacher reassured him it was OK. He had a history of laughing when scared.
Joaquin Phoenix killed it as the Joker. Not just that, but as a believable character suffering from a disorder. This movie is unbelievable.
Love you guys, keep up the awesome work!
he was really great in this movie, but not as the joker, but as arthur having a mental problem, since we only get to see him totally become the joker in the last few minutes of the movie..
I get that. Maybe not as any version of Joker we're familiar with. Honestly you could take out the DC elements and have this be it's own standalone movie and it would work just as well
Agreed. It's a bit difficult because of their age difference but id love a Batman Movie with Joaquin Phoenix's Joker as the villain
@@jasonvoorheescampblood I agree. Joaquin Phoenix did a great job, but I think he was too old for the part. I would be interested to see what he could have done with this role 21 years ago; anyone remember him as the crazy Emperor Commodus in Gladiator?
I personally thought the movie was terrible. I also feel like people are afraid to give it proper criticism due to it being built around mental disorder
Jen: "Did you just eat both kit-kat bars without splitting them??"
Holden: "Two for me, none for you."
Holden: some men just want to watch the world burn
"We live in a society Jen" would have been an amazing response lol
@@galvo78 damnit I just commented that lol
Holden is becoming the Joker...
The timing after the quote, "I hope my death makes more cents than my life" is perfect.
Actually, the theatre shooter didn't call himself the Joker, he only had red hair, no one referred to him as the Joker but the media. In fact, the shooter planned on shooting up a different auditorium but decided to shoot up the dark knight rises one instead because there were more people watching in that one.
I was looking for somebody pointing this out. Media is evil. They constantly do this. They tried it with this movie too. It was supposed to be a "wolf whistle for Trumpers". Then entirely ignore all the beatings that happened at Black Panther showings because the wrong people went to see it.
Its irritating that people STILL spread the Medias false narrative, you can't trust a damn thing they say.
I think I read that he was gonna dye his hair green, but he didn't want to be seen as a version of the Joker
I just think it’s funny you defending the joker character with your pfp LMAOOO
I was looking for a comment like this one. Thank you!
The fridge scene is incredible. wasnt planned or anything, Joaquin Phoenix was on set and randomly got into the fridge and it sent a huge message to the lengths people would go to, just to get away from the world, the director praised Joaquin for it and kept it in the movie
My favourite scene in the movie. That level of disconnection he’s portraying is something that I’ve never seen done by anyone else before.
@@OccumsChainsaw and this is why he won the Oscar. Well deserved.
I never really looked at it from that perspective, I just always thought it was him trying to kill himself by suffocation especially when it couldn't close all the way and he kept trying to close the door.
@@vulpii8135 I know the scene wasn’t planned but do you think it was just meant to be interpreted as him just wanting to get away from everything or do you think it was an actual suicide attempt? (Suffocation etc.) We see him gesturing that he planned to do it on the Murray show but I think maybe there is more than one attempt shown in the film. I’m not much for awards but it’s nice to hear that Joaquin got his flowers for his efforts.
@@OccumsChainsaw you can't actually get suffocated inside a fridge
This movie is a masterpiece on "Evil is not born but made".
Cannot wait for the LotR trilogy, and i'm stoked you're gonna watch the extended edition.
I watched that trilogy for the first time recently. I was very amused at how Golem was disgusted that Sam cooked his fish into a stew instead of eating it raw lol
@@Spongebrain97 PO-TA-TOES
@@mathijnd "It ruinns it!!"
...made by a broken society.
LotR is gonna be fun. It took me a few years to enjoy it again. I had a lot of dealings with the IP group that had to approve everything I did at work…
Not they are going to make alphabet hobbits and… 💩 don’t get me started…
Jenn's reactions are always the best
Fun Fact: The Joker didn't kill the love interest even if there were sirens in the background. They stated that she didn't die because she never did anything wrong to Arthur.
I think they retconned that. In his delusion mind she basically rejected him at his lowest. The lights are coming to investigate a gunshot and collect the body. Why else have them?
But then she didn't really do anything to him and it would turn audiences off so they retcon it saying its just a coincidence. That's just silly. He totally killed her. He was unhinged and didn't care anymore. Just like killing the psych at the end.
@@cpob2013 It's Gotham there's always sirens
@@cpob2013 Both the director and Phoenix said he didn't kill Sophie. Todd Phillips was actually taken aback by the question. He said Arthur didn't kill anyone who was kind to him or didn't try to harm him.
@@trevorphilips9065 This is true. Plus Arthur already lives in a dangerous neighbourhood.
@@cpob2013 I don't know maybe because he liked a guy in his apartment and let a witness walk away
Jen: That's what you did with me
Holden: *silence*
Me: *imagining creeper Holden*
But it worked! :D
I hate ask to date someone who are unknowned to me. I feel a first date a wast of time when we doesnt know each other. It is a wierd concept to go out with someone who are a complete stranger... and from a girls wiev it is more dangerous to do that.. and still.. :D The normal people do this day to day.
In the end when he's talking to the counselor on what it seems to be an asylum/prison he laughs and says that he thought of a joke. Turns out that the joke that he thought of was actually the entire movie that we saw. If you notice, all the watches that appear on the film show the same time as in the last scene, and his revolver fired way more than six rounds. (And the filmmakers basically confirmed that as well). Such a great film.
yes it was all in his head
he should have told her this
I don't think this is true at all. If so then they did a horrible job of cluing you into it. I think his laughter at the end and the joke he is referring to is the fact that he had to kill 6 people, one of them on live tv in front of millions, to continue getting his psychological help and meds that were just recently taken away from. Which by this point he no longer wanted because he was too far gone. Hence why he killed her.
@@Moskoe83 Just look it up, you don't have to believe me ;)
@@pedroporto1990 there making a second one so it’s not true
They’re making a second one so that’s not true
The role of The Joker is so iconic that every actor who has played the role has won or been nominated for various high and prestige awards, to include two Academy Awards for Best Actor & Best Supporting Actor. Jack Nicholson won the British version of the Oscar’s for his portrayal of the Joker in the first Batman movie.
Every actor has nailed every version of the Joker and I’m glad Jen was able to witness the masterpiece that is The Joker.
I give this movie a 10/10 still. The scene in the stairwell is the most powerful to me. He is not laughing, he is crying. But imagine not being able to distinguish between the 2. Eventually he just cracked, eventually, everything was a joke to him. That really describes the Joker character the best. Joaquin Phoenix did it the best.
In response to Jen’s question, yes. Arthur’s laughing condition is actually real.
Typically linked to traumatic brain injuries if my understanding is correct.
When Arthur is writing in his journal and you see that switch between two personalities, very moving. Subtle movements speak so loudly.
Arthur does stuff right-handed, Joker does stuff left-handed.
The way Jen talks about mental health... She's the sister-in-law Matt deserves.
I love the concept that Matt is just basically Holden’s brother at this point.
@@mitchelsmith5643 The Super Hardman Brothers ✌🏻😂
I absolutely love this movie. Joaquin did a great job of capturing a Joker who got no breaks in his life, and really had everything against him since his childhood. Coincidentally enough, I've been watching Joker reactions all day, and I'm pretty early to this one. Love the vids and your reactions!
Joaquin incredible acting carried this movie because the script sucked.
@@zavthe1371 The script didn’t suck, what are you talking about?
@@AdamRee-lx8uh lol yea idk what he's talking about..script was amazing
Jen: "Did you not split the KitKat bars before eating them?"
Holden: "Why so serious?"
I don’t think it was the mental illnesses that that made him more Joker. It was like the the early tid bits for the movie said, How far can you push someone before they snap?! Arthur was bullied and shit on so much and he’s trying to be a good person and see his doctor and stay on his meds. Once he had enough and had the means to protect himself he took it into his own hands.
I think people suffer from mental anguish when they try to suppress their inner nature, regardless if it comes from a good or bad experience. When it's from a bad place, they think it's bad to feel the way they feel and fight against yet. Just my thoughts and experiences.
Jen: the different Jokers can be differentiated by how they were portrayed in a general sense
Cesar Romero - The Clown
Jack Nicholson - The Gangster
Heath Ledger - The Anarchist
Jared Leto - The Psychopath
Joaquin Phoenix - The Delusional
Mark Hamill - The Joker ;)
The ending is also kind of a callback to how the Joker, when asked about his origin changing, said that "I prefer it to be multiple choice", because we don't know if anything of what we saw was true. We know it didn't happen as it was just a delusion in his head: "I thought of a funny joke" he says to the therapist, but yeah, this could just be one of a myriad of random origins that he tells to people to see how they react :P
This film is also an accurate indictment of our garbage society that we live in and how we stigmatize anyone that doesn't 'fit in' to these bullshit arbitrary standards :/
Troy Baker - Young Joker?
@@trevorphilips9065 I'll give you that one lol. Love Troy Baker, always forget he did the Joker too
@@lordmortarius538 He sounded like a younger Mark Hamill that's some great voice acting
@@lordmortarius538 what would you put Barry keoghan's joker as
Love this movie, loved all the twists and turns and the acting was incredible, Joaquin Phoenix’s performance was amazing, love you guys, keep up the great vids!
What twists and turns?
Jen "I have not seen jack Nicholson's Joker yet."
Jack Nicholson's Joker "Wait till they get a load of me"
You could say she's never danced with the devil by the pale moonlight.
Holden: "Me trying to get an extra sauce at Mcdonalds."
🤣 🤣
Meanwhile at Chick-Fil-A:
Me: "Can I get an extra sauce?"
Chick-Fil-A employee: "My pleasure!" *gives me a handful*
I absolutely love this movie and this version of Joker. In MY opinion he’s my favorite joker for the main reason of how real this all feels. The saying “evil isn’t born it’s created” is so powerful and this movie embodies it
I like how this movie has so many interpretations for what actually happened. Once you realize that he is experiencing hallucinations with the girlfriend, that opens the door for questioning many scenes throughout the movie (or even the whole movie). I remember one example focusing on the timing of his laughter. I personally like to entertain the middle ground, where the events of the movie actually happened but we don’t know for sure if they happened exactly as Arthur saw them (like where he got the gun from).
Some people might be like "aww this is too vague," but I like when stories have potential for multiple interpretations or perspectives that are each valid and plausible in their own way. To me, this can greatly enhance the meaningfulness and richness of a story.
I loved this movie but to me it was super obvious the relationship was in his head right away. This movie took so many vibes from films like fight club and taxi driver that it felt obvious
@@RajBauer It doesn’t matter, it is still a really great movie.
@@AdamRee-lx8uh just because I said that reveal was obvious doesn’t mean I think it’s a bad movie lol. I think its a great movie, loved it in the theatre but the reveal was still obvious to me
Holden didn’t break his Kit Kat before eating them?! That’s crazier than anything Joker has ever done
He needs to be locked up. One bad day and it's over
Personally my favorite shot in the entire film is right after Joker kills Murray 16:30, he slowly walks towards the camera underneath the blue lights. The lights changing his red and yellow suit into the classic purple and green we know. The cinematography is brilliant.
This movie is just phenomenal. The music leading up to the host being shot. It just gives me chills. Done so well. Then the “joke” when it flashes to Bruce… ugh. Brings up so much emotions.. just very well done…
Both actors did extraordinary jobs in portraying that character. Both Heath and Joaquin won an Oscar for their roles. And they both researched the role very deeply. Jonquin actually spent time reading about the actual condition to portray it correctly. And Heath locked himself away for a few weeks to find it. Very sad that he ended his life before he could see how big of a response that he got. Glad you both enjoyed it. Especially jen!!
I remember watching this film in theatres and just being so on edge the entire time. Joaquin Phoenix' portrayal of the Joker made me feel so uneasy, yet I was captivated by every scene he was in. Although Heath Ledger's Joker is my favorite, Joaquin Phoenix did a fantastic job in showing the Joker in a different light.
This feels like it's more a real person who was beaten down by life, where the other joker performances felt like a comic book character in a movie.
When I saw this in the theater I was with my mom (she has a PhD in psychology and loved the film for the acting and the portrayal of mental illness alone). I remember being so uncomfortable during the Murray Show scene but it was one of the best and oddly exciting uncomfortable experiences that I had going to the movies. When the Joker pulled the trigger my mom screamed OH MY GOD so loud and curled up in a ball. Few movies can do that now and be that convincing even for people not into comic book movies.
Best film of 2019 in my opinion. The acting alone makes it near perfect.
Yeah, the involuntary laughing is an actual condition. I think Joaquin actually did some research to be able to accurately portray it.
I’m so glad Joaquin won best actor for his role. He put his all into it. This film is the only film that I love but would have a difficult time rewatching. It’s a film that leaves you with a sullenness that not many others can give you. It’s never going to be fair to compare Joaquin to Heath, so both should be remembered as being incredible in their own rights.
This movie was a masterpiece.... from the acting to the story. and the transition to the insanely genius score, which made it so epic in terms of is character arc. Not to mention his actions which lead to the riots which led to the creation of Bruce Wayne finding his reason to become Batman.... sheer brilliance
I think what the makers of this film wanted to achieve is maybe ask the question: If the Joker were a real character in the real world, how could he (or a variation of him) have come into existence? And while your points about mental illness are definitely appropriate and necessary, I think the film does a good job at finding a way to answer that question. As you rightfully pointed out, many people suffer from mental conditions, depression or very, very bad luck in life, but going about killing people is never a solution. What I personally would reproach the film then, is that it's a bit too sympathetic towards Arthur Fleck / The Joker. I do understand however that it would be hard to make him the protagonist and avoid that entirely. Overall though, the movie is very well done and the acting is excellent.
The difference in the shock on Jen's face when he kills his mother verses when he shoots De Niro's character is a testament to how much Jen likes Robert De Niro
"This way by stalking her like this, he'll find out what he likes, where she goes, so next time he runs into her, he can struck up a conversation about something she's already interested in."
"That's what you did with me."
Holden Hardman's villain origin story!
MCU will find some way of making him another Spider-Man villain borrowed from Tony Stark lol.
The child who is not embraced by the village, will burn it down to feel its warmth
This is one of the few movies that felt so real the character actually scared me. Well done to Joaquin and thanks for reacting to one of my favorite DC films!
All I’m saying is Joaquin gave an amazing performance here, and I haven’t finished the video but I hope she enjoys it and gets immersed in that Gotham. Also been religiously watching your MGFW series. Really really good keep it up. Can’t wait for DareDevil ep 5!
As someone who has dealt with mental illness, the emphasis the movie placed on Arthur's mental illness was what touched me the most. Of course as he became the Joker, the sympathy I felt diminished, but in terms of Arthur, it meant so much to me to see a movie that showcases the severe internal and external struggles of mental illness. I know not everyone connects with this in the same way, but just thought I'd provide my perspective.
It also helps explain why Batman does not kill him in the comics.
It is because Batman knows he is going through a mental break whenever he appears, and no one else notices.
Casually dropping Jen's favourite movie being Casino!?!? Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Also, that was a great discussion you guys had at the end there, and I respect that this film can bring these conversations forward even if I don't really like it myself.
This channel has come full circle for me! The first video I watched was Holden and Matt reacting to this movie. I had just watched the Joker, wanted to know what other people thought, and it popped up in the search. My how time flies!
This movie's a 9.5 to me. Phoenix's performance is truly inspired. I love that there's absolutely nothing "super", or remotely cartoonish, about *anyone* , especially Arthur. I love that it's impossible not to empathize with Arthur. I love the realism of the social problems Arthur is caught up in and victimized by I love that you *want* to root for Arthur, and that that desire creates conflict within you when he does something horrific. This film is a great piece of art.
I absolutely love the way this film was shot. On second viewing I realized the colors blue and yellow a lot. Not quite sure if they mean anything but it would be dope to know from a design pov. I also loved how Arthur’s actions were influenced by the decay of Gotham (poverty, lack of human/medical resources) and he was also the catalyst for Gotham’s eventual downfall with the violent riots. This movie made Gotham a character too and I love it for that.
Amazing two different actors won an Oscar playing the Joker, but both deserved it!
Both Heath and Joaquin did great portrayals of this character. My understanding is that the joker has no true single origin story, hinted at when heath ledger’s joker changes every time “you wanna know how I got these scars..?” There are also theories that the whole story in this movie is made up in his head and it’s what he is telling the doctor/nurse at the end.
Jens reaction to Murray getting blasted was one of the best reactions I’ve seen on this channel😂😂
Also I can vouch for her Casino is the greatest movie ever
They should watch that!
This movie to me was easily my favorite of all the DC character films. The acting, cinematography, and story were so well done. Joaquin Phoenix has been so incredible in so many films and I don't think anyone else could have pulled this off so well. I knew Jenn would love this film, it has the right amounts of compelling story and gritty darkness.
Personally, Phoenix is my favorite Joker. So far, he exceeded my expectations with playing such a character. I loved to finally see a great backstory to The Joker.
This was a very dark and depressing video but the biggest atrocity is how Holden eats a KitKat. Not okay.
This is such a great movie. Joaquin Phoenix displayed mental illness in such a good way, that the character of joker came more alive. The final line is so powerful as well, when the social worker asked to tell her the joke: "you wouldn't get it". All in all, a great movie, great acting.
I really love this movie so much. My favorite movie of that year. And also in the movie there shows a clock where Arthur is in a insane asylum and in his therapy the clock is positioned in the same spot. Meaning you can’t trust his narrative.
You can actually tell the difference between the laugh when he thinks something is funny and the laugh when he thinks he’s supposed to laugh and that’s such an awesome detail I love it.
I have to disagree with Holden on the emulation of Joker vs other instances of Joker in the other films. In every other adaptation of Joker, there are no real repercussions aside from Batman.
In this film, Arthur has no true satisfaction, other than to drive him further over the edge. Other Jokers take great glee and delight in not only the execution, but the planning and exposition, as well as the confrontation.
Having voiced the Joker in small projects, that's the appeal in getting into his mindset. The delight of a consequence-free state where anything goes.
But given the choice, I'd take the Hamill/Ledger/Nicolson/Romero Joker over Arthur's mind to be evil within any time.
Man, what a day. Only 9 work emails by 11 AM, just cut myself a piece of home made pumpkin pie, a glass of milk, and a Holden Hardman MGW review. What a day! Happy Thanksgiving y'all.
Jen: "You can't eat a Kit Kat like that."
Holden: *puts on makeup* "We live in a society."
Boston always looks so freaked out. I know it's just her natural expression, but she always looks like she's like "What the hell is going on?!?" But I love it. Both Boston and Falcon are so cute! I'm glad you put them in the videos, and I love the little zoom-in's you do from time to time.
Heath Ledger will always be my favorite Joker in live action but Joaquin Phoniex made me at times feel bad for the Joker knowing how he got to where he's most well known to be at in the character's life. Phoniex killed it as the Joker and made me and some people feel bad for the Joker and what he's gone through in his life
You really ate a KitKat without splitting it apart? See, that's how Jokers are born.
Joaquin did an amazing job in this movie...playing Arthur. A man that becomes the Joker. He didn't really become the Joker until the last bit of the movie, in my opinion. I would really like to see a sequel to this movie where he is Joker the duration of it and if we get that he would probably move up on the list of my favorite versions of The Joker. But for right now Heath's version is still at the top, followed by Mark Hamill.
That laugh IS a real condition. From what I understand, it's like a muscle spasm and is excruciating for those who have it. My Dad works in a psychiatric hospital and pointed out some of the subtleties and how Arthur seems to have multiple mental disorders which means Todd Phillips was super successful in his plan of making this adaptation of Joker undiagnosable (besides the fact that they have an official diagnosis for people who can't be otherwise diagnosed)
Edit: Also, fun fact: Joker is left-handed in this movie, much like he is in the comics. It's pretty irrelevant, but it's a nice touch
So crazy. I just watched this movie for the first time yesterday and was wondering when this reaction would be. Crazy coincidence!
"They're cutting down the rainforest to send me coupons!" is the funniest dad thing I've ever heard lol
Heath will always be my favorite. That's why he's on my leg as a tattoo. But Joaquin phoenix killed it here. Really loved this film. My favorite scene was probably the end, when he's standing on the car and makes a smile out of his own blood. Great reaction.✌
And yes that is a real medical condition people have. I believe its called PBA. Pseudo something.....like Pseudobalba Affect. I think. Holden's joke are priceless btw.👍
He actually infamously lost 52 pounds for the role of Joker which was deemed to be both brave and dangerous. He said to have done it by eating only lettuce and pretzels. Joaquin is insanely I guess you could say “motivated” for his roles. Similar to Christian bale.
"Leaning into the Mental Illness" is kinda the point of this particular Joker movie. It's core to this movie and it's not the same movie without that.
It really disturbed the establishment media for that. Mental illness has usually been played off at best as a gimmick at worst for laughs. Having a whole movie about the media and society kicking down a good natured but mentally ill oddball to the point he lashes out back at them made a lot of reviewers and critics defensive.
It really disturbed the establishment media for that. Mental illness has usually been played off at best as a gimmick at worst for laughs. Having a whole movie about the media and society kicking down a good natured but mentally ill oddball to the point he lashes out back at them made a lot of reviewers and critics defensive.
So we learned 2 things about Holden today:
1. He eats Kit Kats whole without breaking them into pieces
2. He stalked Jen, Arthur style.
SUS
This isn't just a movie, it's a case study mixed with an art installation on the construct of our society's "norms"
Man this has turned into one of my favorite channels on RUclips. Love it all!
There's a great theory that Heath Ledger's Joker is a military veteran suffering from PTSD who's grown disillusioned with society. It explains his physicality, his familiarity with explosives and firearms, how he might have gotten his scars, and also comes up in a line of dialogue he has opposite Harvey in the hospital:
"If I tell the press that tomorrow a
gangbanger will get shot, or a
truckload of soldiers will be blown
up, nobody panics. Because it's all
part of the plan. But when I say
that one little old mayor will die,
everybody loses their minds!
Introduce a little anarchy, you upset
the established order and everything
becomes chaos. I'm an agent of
chaos."
To me, he's saying the same thing here as Arthur in this movie when he says "If it was me laying on the sidewalk you'd walk right over me!"
Both feel personal, and both are talking about how we place arbitrary value on people depending on their societal status. Joker is all about sticking it to the established order, and I like the consistency across the different portrayals.
Before this movie came out the director and Joaquin Phoenix had both said that this movie was going to be a one and done but then the movie made over a billion dollars at the box office and they have both come out and said that they are open to doing a sequel. Joaquin Phoenix also won best actor at the Oscars for this movie.
Such a good Joker movie...
You guys are making this rough end of the year so much better with all these amaizing "reviews"
The look Holden gives when he tries not to tell Jen what’s really happening but you know he wants too
Those intro cinrmatics are cool,
Normally i dont like reaction channel. But love this one. It dosent feel lazy. Good talks and reactions.
And those intros are 💥 Keep doing what your doing. Its great :)
It's not up to me, but as the editor AND the one who makes these intros, I vote this as comment of the day hahahahaha
@@DMFX1 aw thanks, Thats awesome,
Lovely intros, Keep up the good work man 😊👌
@@DMFX1 Im always surprised with the amount of effort you putting into it. And its nice to see you are invested enough to actually read the comments
@@simonm.ojensen9843 :)
@@Pir-o Of course! The feedback makes my day! It feels less like work when you have dozens of people praising you hahaha
Love the message Holden. That's why it is so important to be kind to each other because you never know what someone else is going through.
Waiting for the sparrow reactions first 2 episodes are out!! Lol
Nailed it❤
This is a very dark and violent movie, but brilliant in it's darkness. Joaquin Phoenix gives an incredible performance, also the scene of Joker on the talk show is pulled straight from a panel from the Dark Knight Returns graphic novel.
I get what Holden is trying to say, but at the same time it sounds like he read one too many twitter articles that tried to boycott this movie and cancel it for being "a white supremacy incel handbook" or whatever they tried to pin to it. With that logic we should remove villains from every single movie in existence. Its weird that we never hear that kind of criticism about shows like Dexter or Breaking Bad
“WELL IT WORKED DIDN’T IT?”
Before even watching the video, I can already tell Jen is going to find this very juicy.
I just love that almost everything is up to interpretation and the feeling of what all is actually real or not. Whether or not Thomas Wayne really was his father and used his power and influence to shun the mother, or whether or not if anything in the movie happened at all (going off the idea that he's talking to a new therapist at the end and referring to all the events of the movie leading up to the death of Bruce's parents as a joke). Joker himself, in the comics, did say when it comes to his own personal history, he wouldn't want you to know it completely. He'd always prefer multiple choice.
great and terrifying movie. love that you guys are watching it
"You should be the change you want to see in the world" Now that is special, Matt would be proud.
fun fact: 40% of the reason I watch these videos is for the dog
Love your videos Holden
The only movie i can think of where Joaquin approached the director with ideas for a sequel. He isnt a sequel kind of actor but he loved the role.
I agree with a lot of Jen’s sentiments with this movie. Personally, I enjoyed it and I thought it was a very good movie, but far from the masterpiece that everyone made it out to be.
Jen: did you just eat that kit Kat without splitting them?
Holden: turning to her in joker makeup* we live in a society....
I hope Attack on Titan is next because if Jen likes the dark and mystery, then it’s definitely something she would like 🤞
@Battle Rabbit They literally said they were doing LotR. Did you not even watch the damn video
@@thomaskilroy4573 I did watch the video I was hoping that they would watch AOT next after watching LOTR. 🤦🏻♂️Duh
I absolutely love this movie from its theme about mental health to the amazing symbols throughout and the artistic direction to more changes of the way the film looks at times. Perfect movie imo. One of the biggest moments was when they stopped chasing after the joker and watched him go down the stairs (his decent into madness) and at this point when be gives in his world goes from being dull to colorfull
I’m unsubscribing because Holden ate the lit Kat bar incorrectly. Menace to society
Best description of the Joker when someone asked about his backstory was his answer “multiple choice”
To be honest, Jared Leto's Joker had a LOT of potential it's just the reshoots and writing f'd it up, and at the end of ZSJL, we saw a smidge of what could've been and probably more. When he was cast as Joker I just knew in the back of my mind Jared can pull it off and he probably would've if WB hadn't rushed the build-up of DCEU to catch up to MCU. I'm still probably one of the minorities in the fandom that still want to see Jared's potential as Joker because it's there he just needs great writing to back him up.
@Kryptoskillet I do get your point and personally I like how quick DCEU's build-up is but my personal gripe about it is how WB went about it. It may not be as clear to some casuals but to some fans we could clearly see WB was like desperately catching up to what MCU established and in turn "copy" their formula when all they could've done is to let the DCEU team tell the story they wanted and not imitate what's working for others.
Nah, just looking at his tattoos alone, there was ZERO potential in that interpretation
@@Pir-o I had some gripes about his design too, but I was more so on how he could act as the character. I was willing to look past the design if it could run with the story they were going through but alas it didn't, plus the writing did not really help Jared's portrayal of the character. Let's face it even fans hated it when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker but due to excellent script and directing it helped his portrayal and if Jared had those advantages during Suicide Squad he would probably singing praises to his Joker.
@Jae Min Jung And yet his performance at the ending ZSJL was just as cringe-inducing and Ledger-derivative. Face it pal. As good an actor as Leto is, there are just some people who can’t play the Joker. You can have great actors who just do a terrible job. Leto’s version was always gonna be terrible. Fact.
A brilliant movie for me the best comic book character movie ever. I feel it is not entirely mental illness which caused the state rather the lack of attention given to the mental illness which makes Arthur that way, it more relatable. Arthur does talk about how it is getting crazier out there he feels there is a problem in the society. In the end he loses all sense of care and starts to believe that they cannot change and by killing he becomes one with the society.
This movie has phenomenal performances, but i hated how they tried to make us feel bad for the Joker and then suddenly he becomes murderous and it’s hard for me to care for him. The Joker is chaos, not some social sob story
@LordLeo That’s the whole fucking point you child. The filmmakers said that they didn’t want us to root for the Joker all the way through. And if you do then you have it wrong. It’s a Joker origin story. Every single version of it has sympathetic elements. The director himself said that the entire point of the movie is that Arthur gets worse and worse and that everyone has a certain moment where they can’t root for him anymore. You are on his side to begin with, but at a certain point, you can no longer justify his actions. You thinking that the film is trying to get us to root for him all the way through just goes to show how much you misunderstood the movie.
@@thomaskilroy4573 you didn't understand it until it was explained to you either 🤡
@@thomaskilroy4573 ah yes, that was the proper, polite, way to share your opinion. Thanks for your feedback. I can see what the intended effect was, but in my OPINION, it was laid on so thick that it just made me not even enjoy the rest of the movie. Joker plays the victim even in the interview with Murray with the mental illness loner comment. But i could really care less for him at that point, because of how far he went. It made it hard to enjoy his actions because they weren’t chaotic and entertaining, they were just him taking out his feeling of being a victim to society.
@@thomaskilroy4573 it’s almost as if people perceive an intended message differently because of the execution of said message
@LordLeo Understandable. But it makes sense given the fact that everyone’s point where they let go is different. We all have a different moment in the movie where we cannot justify his actions anymore. That’s the point. For you, your’s came much earlier. Which is fine. Not a bad thing. And you’re not wrong for your feelings regarding it. However, for others, they can still find themselves rooting for him at that point. So the scene on the talk show seems victim playing and guilt tripping to you, but completely justified and correct to others. And again, both opinions are right. Because that’s the intention. For everyone to have a different experience while watching. Each viewers take is unique. Which few movies manage to do nowadays, and part of why this film is regarded as a modern masterpiece of the genre. There are some people who say they can no longer empathise with him from the end of the first act, or even when he takes the gun from Randall, or even earlier in fact. And then there are some who continue to root for him all the way up to the murder of the doctor in Arkham at the very end. In fact, Philips even admitted that the reason he had Joker kill that woman was to be the final straw. To be the thing that finally snapped all the people that still supported him back to reality. The Joker is a killer and a supervillain. We aren’t meant to root for him all the way. And the ending was just Philip’s way of signalling to the audience “See! Now you can’t defend him anymore, he’s gone over the edge”.
This is by far the best superhero movie I have ever seen. No unnecessary comedy, complex plot, non-linear story telling and some of the best acting you will ever see
This movie really resonates with me. In 1981 Reagan Repealed the Mental Health Services Act of 1980, which I’m assuming is what happened in the movie when Arthur lost funding to health services. My grandma was one of the people who was affected by it and I wonder to this day if she’d still be alive if society had actually tried to help her. At the end of the day, no one wants to be stuck in a loop of negative thoughts. Being stuck in your own head with no way of coping like Arthur is a reality for so many people.
Boston in the background always looks like wanting to say something but doesn't know if it's a good time to interrupt it's so adorable!