Wolverine169 Wolverine169 Fair enough, but for me I feel that we don’t need all questions answered as it sort of lessens the event of Life is Strange (1). But I get why you would feel that
Rumour has it that if you whisper "insubordination" three times in the mirror late at night, David Madsen appears behind you and gives you a lecture using military analogies
I never played original LIS, so none of that crap ever happens and they move to LA and Chloe becomes the next Banksy and Rachel becomes an actress and they both lived happily ever after together and never die under tragic circumstances and I'm a grown man and this is canon and shut up and no you're crying
@@piratetv1 Doesn’t the Comics introduce the idea that there is an infinite amount of timeline’s meaning that in a way your headcanon can be considered canon?
The line at 39:26 ("Who cares if the stars are dead as long as we can still see them?") feels like a subtle 4th wall break as a way of saying that we should allow ourselves to enjoy seeing Chloe and Rachel together even though we know their eventual fates.
Rachel Amber I wish you could have met max instead of being killed by that Jefferson bastard. I know this takes place a couple of years before the first game but in a way it’s a shame that Rachael never got to meet max. The 3 of them would have been an awesome trio 💔💔💔💔💔😢😢
I challenge you on the notion that love is eternal. Love is only eternal if that love is recorded and continue to propagate throughout human history, like Romeo and Juliet, but who's to say humanity will live til the end of time and continue to tell your love story to other, human and nonhuman. You can say love is infinite, but eternal...nah. But then again, if you are speaking in terms of fairy tale, then don't mind this pessimist. JAJAJA
I too am adopted and I’ve definitely always known, my mum handled it he complete opposite way Rachel’s dad has. I didn’t really have an interest in knowing more about my biological parents and my mum was always like “but don’t you want to know more?”. Personally I think it’s the best way to handle it because it’s always been my decision and I’m grateful my mother can recognise that
Just in case: here are the dialogue choices you need to make to get Rachel to meet Sera without the bracelet: - you know my name - know about what? - I dont understand - she deserves to meet you - everyone is broken - I lost my father - rachel needs you - I thought my dad was perfect - dont you want to see her - dont leave - Tell Rachel Everything This is the only way to get it without Rachel's bracelet.
Did you guys notice that Chloe's scene asking to be sacrificed on DnD is an accurate reference to the dialogue with Max in Life is Strange 1? When she convinces Max to go back in time and let her die in the Blackwell bathroom! 😭😱
Having watched the whole video, may I just say thank you, Johnny and Aoife for sharing your expeience of this with us. I have but one critisism to make... just two cans of emergency gin? What were you thinking...
you guys are the best Let's play of Lis. The BEST!!! no one care that much about Rachel and no one understand Chloe like you do, plus you guys hate Eliot as much as i do hahaha i love it. At the end when you found out Rachel can meet her mother, your reactions were priceless, i was the same, i failed Rachel :(
Try "geek remix", they're very involved and understanding, also very funny. They also have amazing theories, they knew about mark Jefferson since the 1st ep of lis.
I have been hesitating between playing this episode myself first or experiencing it for the first time with you guys. I have opted for watching it with you both first. You two are the best and make me love all of these episodes all the more.
honestly I was hoping this episode was going to be about their road trip and I wanted to see if the location you picked in episode 2 would make a difference. Guess not :(
Yeah, I think 2 episodes of fan service / roadtrip adventure and after that episode 5 could have been this. I wanted to "play" those happy moments in the ending montage..
I chose to lie to her, so it made sense she wouldn't leave. But if you tell her the truth I don't see why she wouldn't leave with Chloe, it just doesn't make sense for her to stay when she was 100% decided on going.
@@Kyizen the only logical explanation is Chloe. Rachel’s been wanting leave even before meeting Chloe while Chloe was hesitant the entire time even though she always wanted to leave. The fandom nowadays believes that Rachel was going to leave with or without Chloe, but Rachel already left for a trip in 2011 and was assumed by Max to have taken a roadtrip with Frank, yet Rachel still came back. Why? Because she doesn’t want to leave WITHOUT Chloe.... and that ultimately got her killed :’( *edit: No matter which decision you choose in BtS, the truth eventually comes out because in LiS1 the Ambers aren’t even looking for Rachel anymore and Rachel lived in the Blackwell dorms so they had a fall out after the truth was revealed.
Add me to the list of people who absolutely love this episode. It was a huge thematic triumph for a video game, I think, and the whole "truth versus lie" concept not only tied the entire episode together, but did so much to explain a lot of episodes 1 and 2. I feel like the ending truly has no correct choice. Once you think you know your decision, you think of a reason to doubt yourself. It's an impossible decision, but (and this is what makes it so good) it's an impossible decision real people really have to make every day, and that's heartbreaking. I feel like I fundamentally disagree with a lot of the people who say they dislike this one, and, in reading a lot of comments, I feel like we may have played a different game altogether. Maybe people were expecting something different, I dunno. But I feel like I got exactly what I was expecting, in many ways. It was never intended to link the two games together, which is why the devs set it three years before the original. I also didn't mind the absence of Rachel (if you can even call it that. She's on screen for pretty much half the episode, though people like to imply that she disappears completely once she's in the hospital). It's a game about Chloe, who we got to see grow as a character and tackle an impossible situation alone. Rachel is really there, however, the whole episode, because the entire thing is about acting for her sake. Whether she is there physically or not, the entire episode is *intimately about her.* I also feel like everything that "wasn't explained" didn't need to be explained. Some situations can be resolved by simple inference using info in the game, and overloading the story with explanatory elements would distract from the main story the game was telling. Like what happens to James since he tried to have Sera killed? Doesn't matter. He's the DA, he covers it up, I dunno. Imagine your own scenario. Since you can meet Sera at the end, she clearly didn't get a lethal dose from Damon before Frank showed up to step in. So did Chloe meet her, or was it a dream? The scene works in different ways and carries different meaning if you think of it as a dream versus thinking of it as real. I'm glad it's ambiguous. The same goes for Rachel's "powers". Would the game have been better if it had told you that she was a fire witch from a long line of fire witches who have long inhabited Arcadia Bay? Also Rachel *was* the storm, and Max is a Time Lord? And also, there are now a dozen separate canon timelines where all your favorite ships are alive and happy. No. Because all of that is stupid. The powers and the supernatural in Arcadia Bay function mainly as metaphors. Max's time powers reflected her timidity and inability to make choices. Rachel's link to fire reflects her thinly disguised anger and mania. You explain them, you ruin them. Blah, blah, blah. Differences in opinion and all that. tl;dr - I'm sad that not everyone loved this episode like I did, because it's hella amazing.
pbnjpeg Dude! Reading your comment was such a relief for me! I completely and totally agree with you. And I'm not saying because I want people to agree with me or I only like to read what I think but because I feel like your way of seeing and understanding this masterpiece is really mature and highly intellectual. This game resonated with me so much and I'm glad that people like you are able to see it for what it is and really process what moral dilemmas it wanted you to think about. I'm so glad the devs kept the mystical elements on the periphery amd behind curtains. They are just there for analogies and metaphores as you said. Otherwise they would be just cheap attention baits. I don't think they left anything out that needed explaining. These stories can be so compelling becase they leave room for imagination and free interpretation. Everything has so much and sometimes different meaning and it leaves you wanting for more. To write an example the scene on the roadside where Chloe talks to his William the first time while awake pretty much startled me, especially because later she writes im her letter that it was the first time for that to happen while not sleeping. I thought that her symptoms having PTSD are starting to develop as she shows signs for that im the first game as well. Pretty sad if you ask me. I was surprised too that Eurogamer guys were so sure that James actions are so one-sidedly bad. I don't think it's that easy to understand what he's doing, Sara has all the valid points too at the table and it is absolutely polarizing what to do at the end. There is no good or bad or morally/ethically good choice I think, it depends what kind of world you want for Rachel. All in all, a great ending to a great whole season, the narrative was just genius, no surprise it generates these discussions...
Thanks for the thoughtful response, man. I know there are plenty of people out there who are enjoying the episode as much as we did. We're just quieter, at the moment, than the people who were upset or let down by it, I think. I also really loved the final decision because of how much the game screws with you and creates cognitive dissonance regarding what choice you should make. For instance, Johnny and Aoife told William by the roadside that it was better to not know the truth about if he had lied. They didn't want to hear it. But then, only a few minutes later, when they were Chloe trying to decide whether to tell Rachel the truth or not, they were so strongly leaning the *exact opposite* direction. They didn't want to *hear* the truth, but when put into the position of someone who *knew* the truth, they felt they couldn't keep it a secret. I had the exact opposite thought process. I told William I would want to know the truth, but then when I was faced with telling the truth to Rachel, the only thing that convinced me to go through with it was the fact that I couldn't stand knowing that Chloe would be yet another person who had lied to Rachel. The desire to protect is strong. There really, truly is no right choice.
Yeah right?! When I first played I found myself always in doubt and wondering what to do in the given situation, without thinking some time back what happened in conversations. Then when I replayed the episode I instantly noticed all the little details the writers put in the characters mouth in order for you to think from different sides about the final decision. For example when we're lying on Rachel's bed we're talking about the starts and at first Rachel is disenchanted because they're beautiful but ultimately fake. Then a few minutes later of talking with Chloe she changes his mind and says as long as we can see them they are THERE for us and they are indeed real to US. Just like her family if you keep the truth hidden. This conversation is already about the final choice so early in the episode! To get back more on the scene with William on the side of the road, it was the second most emotional moment for me. I actually stopped and thought about my family and my father, I put myself into that situation where Chloe imagined herself. What if I don't know something painful about my past or childhood? Would I want to know and be broken about it? Would I love my own father less because he didn't wanted to cause me pain? I felt no. I told William I wouldn't love him less if I found out he lyed about something hurtful. This decision felt personal to me. I think the line between truth and protective lie is so thin or even blurred that we can't really differentiate them. When William said that as a father the risk that your child would love you even just a little less because of something you did is so terrifying that he'd probably avoid it, he convinced me. I think after a point the truth becomes so terrible that it's maybe better to protect the other person's emotional integrity. If you feel it reached that point and you choose to lie it doesn't mean you don't love or respect the other, on the contrary, you love that person so deely that you're willing to carry the burden of the truth for your loved one, so she doesn't have to suffer from it. It can be a kind of self-sacrifice. It's not neccessarily the better choice but the other person can still trust you 100% because you would never let anything bad happen to her. At least this is one argument. Funny because I told William to tell me the truth, I won't love him less for it, but he couldn't, then at the end I didn't tell Rachel the truth. I think both ending decisions fit the story of the girls so well. I can imagine both outcomes and their continued life until the events of the original game. If you think about how their relationship continues, which you know from the first game, Rachel also lied to Chloe on many occasions in order to protect their relationship and Chloe's feelings. She had feelings for Frank and Jefferson too but she choose to not let Chloe know because she knew it would just break her heart, which in the end happened anyway...
Totaly on your side. choose that too. She deserves the truth even if that hurts. I was shocked by 50%/50% in the end screen. How can you lie to rachel.
I think, you dont have to protect her from the truth, you have protect her from her father. Maybe he loves his daughter, but he's a dangerous man. Maybe more dangerous than Junkie- Sera (before her drugs rehabilitation).
Imo Warren is mostly just annoying. Elliott on the other hand is almost as creepy as Nathan & Jefferson. And entitled. And so obsessed with Chloe. When you reject Warren he at least just gets another girl that's arguably a better fit for him anyway.
I've watched a few LP's of LiS and it seems strange to me that everyone is always so quick to forgive the fact that David is an abuser. Everyone forgets that David smacks Chloe around in ep. 1 if you don't take the blame, and the way she reacts it seems a lot like this was not the first time. Sure he might save Max and be sad the Chloe died, but that doesn't make up for _beating_ your stepchild when she talks back.
Definitely agreed . I wish there had been a further option to really give him a piece of your mind (though to be fair you can at least refuse to accept his sob story about the picture).
Yeah the one frustrating thing about these games is nobody has the same experience so I'm like "Ok like I get David has nuance and maybe gives a shit about her but he still slapped Chloe pretty fucking hard" every time people try to praise him and then I remember a subset of people NEVER saw that Just like in this game, there's a way for Rachel to drug Victoria ACTIVELY (Rachel is out of the play bc you didn't take the blame but wants to be in it) and most people wouldn't notice because they took the blame but it would color whether you viewed her character as toxic / manipulative / dangerous or not.
You can get Rachel to meet Sera by picking the correct dialogue choices when Chloe meets Sera. Its pretty tricky. The easiest way to get it is by having the bracelet. But it's not necessary and who would pass up kisses. Sera didn't die. I was able to have Rachel meet Sera and it was a little extra closure. If you want the proper choices for that, I can put them in a comment.
I've been really mad over this for a couple days, but after watching this and enjoying it with you guys I realized they did a *really* good job in most ways that mattered. There are a lot of perspectives you can take on it, and it's absolutely impossible to please everyone while giving an ending to dead characters in a prequel.
I agree. Their love for Chloe is what made them enjoyable to watch tbh. The other lets players out there who bash on Chloe are the very same people who dont take time to explore everything in the game. They miss 80% of the game's lore and meanings behind the character's actions and dialogue. Then they'll all blame it on the game in the end. Its frustrating.
@@Chiki_uwu 100 % agreed , I've just finished the game today and exploring everything was the best decision I could've made as you find out so much more about Chloe's past ,relationships and life (and I loved all the references to geek culture that subtly show Chloe's still a nerd) . Taking the time to talk to everyone , interacting with the environment makes the (already great) game extraordinary :).
@@Chiki_uwu EXACTLYYY!!!!!! Oh my god ive been saying this and I am so glad you said this. People who hate on chloe clearly didnt understand the game at all and why she is the way she is.
The thing I hate absolutely the most in relationships of any kind, is that dumb idea of "protecting" someone with a lie. No matter how hard and cruel the truth is, people MUST know it. Everyone deserve to know. Have to know. There is always a way to handle the truth, no matter how long it takes and how draining it is. No truth is so hard that a lie is a valid option.
And overcoming those difficult truths is what makes you grow as a person and adapt. It's a nice idea wanting to protect someone you love and I liked the fact that William in that scene (aka her conscience) introduced the idea/question about loving someone the same or any less if they told a lie to protect you, which is out at its core out of love. And you have the other side of the coin where everyone has been lying and Rachel states "No more lies", it's a huge motif throughout BtS as a whole. And in LIS: "Everybody lies, no exceptions"
Well, I mean, if someone says they don't want to know the truth, that's fine. Their decision. But here, Rachel wants to know. And she trusts only Chloe. How in the world would anyone in Chloe's shoes abuse that trust and lie to her? Especially when the "father in question" hired an assassin to murder another person ???
(Dont look at my grammar, English is not my mother tongue.) He dont hired an assassin to murder Sera. He hired a psycho to shoot up her to making her addicted again, so no court would let her to her daugther. But I'm with you. Rachel deserves the truth. She'll find a way to handle it.
"I would never let that happen to you. Because you'd be handcuffed to the radiator at home where you'd never be out of my sight. Which is where I'm taking you right now in the trunk of my car." In all honesty, Eliot sends a chill down my spine. Did you pick up on the implication that he stalked Chloe to the junk yard and that's why he knew to write the truck graffiti in his book of creepy poetry?
I think this was a good ending to a fantastic game, it wasn't as good as EP2, but still good. I loved this series so much and it really has impacted me. That final cut scene, after showing them so happy together, crushed me too, that was a gut punch. I would have loved to have a BTS 2 with playable Rachel, but with those cut scenes, it'll probably never happen. I really will miss Chloe and Rachel in these games.
If you take a wide enough perspective, what is considered a happy ending in a life or a relationship? We all die eventually and are limited to a certain amount of time of happiness in our life. Rachel and Chloe had about 3 amazing years together and then it all ended in tragedy... but that's what makes it so valuable and unique, because it ended. Such is life!
I had that same thought, Norbert, and then I realized that life is just one crazy ride and we all die at the end and what is the point of existence? haha sorry, still reeling from the feels of this episode... haha
That needed more kissing. Could we take out that final horrible reminder about the dark room and add more kissing please. Just more moments of Rachel and Chloe being adorable girlfriends. Still masses of questions needing to be angered but I'm glad you went the tell her route. In the end it would of been Chloe making the same choice everyone else had and Rachel not being given a choice in her own life. And what if she had found out you'd lied. She'd of felt totally betrayed. I like that they did the Elliot scene. It made me feel sick but I think it was kind of brave decide to show that what people brush off as harmless every time can actually turn terrifying and dangerous. So if Frank killed Daemon like he think, could that be a reason for him to act like his does in life is strange. So many questions! Genuinely sad that there's on the farewell episode left of these videos with Chloe. Enjoyed them so much, thank you both!
If you guys play this again on your own time you should think about telling Mr. North to ask Drew about what's been going on. That was the choice I made in my game, and Chloe isn't passive aggressive at all. I thought she was actually very kind in that response. She's not just throwing Drew under the bus.
This game breaks my heart. You can just feel it in your bones all that is possible for these two young girls and their future. However, they are both doomed and there is nothing we can do about it.
@GiRayne I agree that they def should have cut the final scene and let them be happy + it feels like the women of this game never get to be happy + go through too much trauma, but I will say this game and its ending plays entirely differently if you picked Bae > Bay (and I didn't pick it for the ship...I actually thought through the implications of sacrificing the Bay character by character [I think my Ep 2 ending heavily influenced my choice along with not wanting to put Joyce through the loss of Chloe]). Literally if they'd been like "sacrifice Max" as an option, I love her but I would have picked Arcadia Bay. For me it was just like "Chloe deserves better than to die in a bathroom thinking everyone she loves abandoned her or died and that 'nobody would even miss her punk ass, would they?'" Before the storm just confirmed that decision for me (she acts hard & angry but she's soft as fuck). Plus, there's the "we fucked with time and there were consequences, what did we learn if we just go back and undo everything" + "max never asked for these powers, if chloe was actually meant to die it should have just happened the first time" arguments.
Omg I was dying watching you two during the creepy Eliot scene XD On a more serious note, I think they were trying to portray Eliot as a covert narcissist, and he was frustrated that Chloe wasn't playing the part of the codependent.
I've always picked the Punk Doe bonus outfit, so I never knew that different default outfits would be commented on by different characters. Thanks, Eurogamer, for teaching me something new about the series I love! And thanks to Johnny and Aoife, for validating every moment I've teared up whilst playing these games.
OH NO. The credits are rolling, and they think it's all over. How can I warn them about what's about to happen next? TURN OFF THE CONSOLE RIGHT NOW! I NEED SCISSORS! 61!
People should really read bios on characters given in journal. It gives so much info. On Eliot especially. He actually has the right to care much and be angry about stuff. But that does not gives him an excuse to overcome some boundaries, right. Just check his intro, i belive you can find it somewhere online.
There's a perfect dynamic of analytic and fun chemestry between these two in these let's plays. Hope they play something like the new The Last Of Us, Detroit: Becoming Human, and such.
Elliot is everything people thought Warren was. Warren was completely innocuous, he was totally fine when max picked Chloe over him. Yes he texted her a lot but he was also completely supportive of max and Chloe having a relationship if that's what she wanted. Unlike Elliot who is genuinely fucking terrifying and horribly true to life.
I haven't watched the whole vid yet, but you guys seem to missunderstand what happened to sera. They didn't overdose her but they did get her high. So then she felt hooked again and unable to see rachel as she was high. So she doesn't actually die as you guys seemed to think. Just letting you guys know❤ (sorry if I got anything wrong, this is just my interpretation of the events) (idk how to spell interpretation😂)
Close, but it was more about destroying her legal credibility and thus torching Sera's court case by putting drugs in her system and thus undeniable evidence of drug use and her unfitness to be a parent/ have custody rights. James is a DA (law degree), he knows he doesn't have to murder her to get her gone, if not by her own will as actually ended up happening, then by that of the law/ legal system.
@@Cooe. they still made her relapse back into heroin addiction... which is basically going to overdose her some day since addiction’s just hard shit to kick through... James knew that and knew how destructive addiction was, yet he still did it.
SPOILER: Rachael only meets Sera if you asked for her Racheal's bracelet in the 2nd episode. Then when Sera is leaving the mill, you have the choice to hand it to her. When you hand it to her, Sera will show up at the lighthouse when Rachael and you are talking at the end.
CoolMoon there are more another ways, i played absolutely different from what you just wrote and still they met. In 2nd ep. i kissed Rachel and there are more choices which can cause their meeting. But good to know more ways, thanks. ☺
There are a lot of decisions which can cause it and its hard to guess...but i think that it must be when Chloe is talking with Sera in the mill because only there you can persuade Sera to find Rachel and meet her. Of course, it can cause any of other decisions in any part of the game too :-)
If you don't have the bracelet you will have to take a specific path in the dialogue with Sera. Eurogamer were not too far off that path, but they should have told Sera, she will tell Rachel the truth no matter what, instead of chosing to remind Sera of her letters.
Chloe has to absolutely be my favorite character in any game I've played! She's so easy to connect to. And Rachel and Chloe have to be my favorite couple in a game too. *Bae over Bay!*
Eliott: "Stalking is defined as repeated unwanted interactions" True story, bro. Btw, did you know you can see Sera in LiS? Its just short moment, but Deck9 built entire story from that. Thats pretty amazing.
Oh man, I wish you could bring in Zak Garriss again for another playthrough and a little season recap... I'm really curious to know how much discussion was going on in the Deck Nine team about that post-credits scene.
2:49:55 "Stalker much?" "Stalking is defined as repeated unwanted interactions..." Yeah, not only behaving in a way that causes somebody to worry about your behaviour, but to know the definition of stalking on top of that... Something tells me this isn't the first time Elliot has been doing stuff like this. C*_*D
Chloe Price must be the most stylish character in gaming. Her outfits are so well put together. Deck Nine have used her clothes to explain her character and show her story. Almost no other games bother doing that. We all express our personalities through what we wear and more developers should follow Deck Nine's example. The likes of say BioWare and Bethesda create fantastical universes but they're so sartorially drab. Would it be so hard for them to employ at least one fashion nerd.
I played it last night and I still am I shock over the end credit scene it was Just I don't know how to describe it I still love the episode though and it might be my favourite
Right in the feels. The scene with William was heartbreaking. The part at the very end makes me very sad too. Very wonderful play through, you are my favorite to watch Life is Strange videos!
I don't understand the hate for Warren. Granted, in my playthrough, I didn't see him through Max's window, sort of spying on her. And yes, that is fairly creepy. In my playthrough, he just seemed like someone who was trying too hard and couldn't take a hint, but not in a scary way. And at the end, at the Vortex Club party, Warren seemed to get it and was totally willing to back off with no hard feelings. Eliot, by comparison... I found nothing redeeming about him. Even in the very first interaction, something felt off about him. First, he seemed overly clingy, then he seemed possessive, and then he seriously crossed the line. Between Warren and Eliot? Warren, every time.
It's so weird seeing frank in this and trying to connect him to the frank we know from LiS, but i think that killing his "best friend" damon, or supposedly killing him probably really changed him as he came to terms with it over time, also that he then had to become more intimidating in order to successfully take over damon's place in this drug dealing business they got.
The last decision was really hard! I sit there easy around 15 minutes. But i also choose to tell the truth, because everybody lied to her. And the ending is so evil... these last 10 seconds. They can't just let the episode end with a happy ending, so they smashed it into your face. But that's it, there are not always happy endings in life. Best moment in this video: 1...2...3 : Tell/Protect Well done!
@Eurogamer Hi guys! BTS is my first experience on your channel and I loved it. Fun fact: I played Before The Storm prior to LIS without knowing anything about what was going to happen! That preview cut scene at the end of this episode? I had no idea what was happening! I'm not sure which is worse, knowing or finding out in the dark room episode. Anyway I am grateful that you are so thoughtful about the characters and ponder the choices with actual depth! Looking forward to watching your Farewell play through! -A new subscriber and fellow *I'm not crying you're crying* fan of LIS!
The thing is you cant really protect her because we all know she ends up in the dark room no matter what the outcome might aswell tell the truth. And the fact she trusted chloe with everything. You cant lie to her just like everyone else
So glad I decided to watch all your playthroughs of this game, you're great! Also the face cam feels better in this episode compared to the last one :D Now off to play and watch the original LiS (for the first time) which I see you posted videos of as well, might be a completely different experience having seen the games in their chronological order instead of by release date! Speaking of which, is it safe to play one episode of the original game and then watch you two play it, or do you reference things happening later on in the series that could be spoiling the story?
I think to be safe you’d be better off playing the whole thing first. We more or less keep it explicitly spoiler-free but our reactions to certain things might be borderline spoilery! Hope you enjoy it, and thanks for watching us! - Aoife
[Spoilerish warning] It seems like there's definite space left in the chronology for another 3 episodes before LIS.. I suppose we will find out how much is left to tie up after Farewell, but hopefully they'll allow for enough gaps to spend a bit more time either with a happy Chloe & Rachel, or to see them from a third person perspective with another playable character. I want them to have had a really good [period of time] before the inevitable happens, & don't think we got much meat on the bones of that in this epilogue. Thanks, as ever, for the Let's Play. You made most of the same decisions I would have, except that I jumped the gun on the gnome-tossing.
As if you two weren't awesome enough you had to bring the most chill dog into the mix. Adorableness overload. Loved the playthrough again (barely finished the episode myself). Others have already covered some of the things you guys may have missed but I haven't seen anyone mention the conversation that the firefighters have in the hospital (you guys didn't listen to it). They talk about how the fire just stopped on its own and they've never seen anything like it. It seemed to coincide with when Rachel was stabbed. There's probably nothing there and it's probably just Deck Nine screwing with us with a MacGuffin but it's a throwaway piece of dialogue that adds to the mystery.
Anyone else catch on to that D&D game? It was a anaolgy of Life is Strange episode 5 ending.. impossible odds.. chloe willingly sacrifices herself.. Also yeah that last twist from deck nine showing the darkroom :( we knew it was going to happen, didnt need a reminder lol
One thing I havent seen anyone mention was the fact that Damon and James werent ready to go through with killing Sera. Chloe was the one who told Damon to do it. In fact its entirely possible, and I'd argue likely, that James would call the whole thing off after Damon stabbed Rachel. I feel like this is an important point more people should consider.
@Eurogamer There is one thing you misunderstood about James motives: He didn't pay Damon to kill Sera, but to fix her up. Sera wanted to go to court for Rachel. After now she is not clean anymore, if she still tries to, James just could ask the judge to do a drug screening on her. Since she would be tested positive and her story seems to be too crazy to be true - the word of a Junkie is not trustworthy, the word of the DA is - James would figure that he would win the case. It is still messed up, though
This, this, this. I really couldn't believe how many people got this confused (not that I don't think the series deserved one more episode for better pacing and what not, but I blame Square Enix, not Deck Nine for that 110%)
If Rachel had a favorite quote. I’d like to think that it was this: “We have calcium in our bones, iron in our brains, carbon in our souls, and nitrogen in our brains. 93% stardust with souls made of flames, we are all just stars that have people names.”
2:10:26 So Drew will create a new DnD Character? He’s planning to continue the game/story w/ his little brother. What kind of build do you think he would choose? Maybe since the first/last/only campaign he was in saw his character used as a blunt instrument (LITERALLY thrown “like a football”) at the problem/boss/*cough*DAMON, he might be focused on his weaknesses & missteps. After the dialogue w/ Chloe, do you think Drew might be considering a different approach? Maybe a more balanced/nuanced take on things? ...or am I overthinking this?
The "be here for Rachel" thing was so funny because it didn't even occur to me how strange it was for Chloe to write that on her hand until I watched this. When I played it I thought it's a great way to show what kind of game this is when that's an objective.
I don't completely understand some of the hate episode 3 is getting. The way I understood the pitch for Before the Storm was that it is about the beginnings of Chloe and Rachels relationship but the game is still very much about Chloe. I liked all 3 episodes and am sad that we're done spending time with these characters.
I think the ending there after the credits is perfect it's to remind us that no matter the happiness that's in Chloes life or how close she gets to a happy ending, it's always taken from her.
Johnny: I really thought it was going to be bad, like we were going to get Jeffersons car rolling in Aoife: Oh jesus no Johnny: Like *boopboopbooo movin to Arcaaaadiaaa Baaay!* Aoife: I really couldn't have handled that Johnny: Well that was a really nice ending I totally lost it here
Oh, that engagement ring, I did not expect this! So great that you guys put the money into Joyce's purse. It was a blessed moment when I noticed she didn't sell it. You are the best :)
Disappointing final episode. I had hoped for more Amberprice smooching and the pacing was all over the shop. Why was Rachel not involved at all for the second half of the whole episode? Why was it all about Sera and Damon Merrick instead of focusing on Rachel and Chloe's relationship? Why wasn't there any explanation as to Rachel's supposed Black Canary shouty powers at the end of episode 1? Are we supposed to believe the wind visual effects were just a coincidence? On the other hand, there was a lot I loved about this episode. The scene with Eliot in Mr Amber's office, the character development for David Madson and The Tempest dream sequence were all excellent. They fucked up that conversation between Chloe and Sera though. Chloe just woke up on the floor and Sera didn't help her or anything? That scene had eerie reverb and felt like a dream sequence which was so confusing. I only realised it was a real conversation by the time they finished talking. Felt so unusual.
It's true, Rachels powers were left unexplained (I belive one of the developers actually said she had powers and that those were because of her mother also having powers) I really hoped for that to be explained, I don't know if it's just my stubbornness but I do not belive Rachel is dead (in Life is Strange) because in the 1st episode Chloe says Rachels parents are in denial, her dad being the D.A, and both her mothers loving her so much it's impossible that none looked for her, or Frank has he loved her so much (also her relationship with him also doesn't make sense in this game), the fact that only Chloe and Max actually cared enougth to go find her never made sense, to me at least, and hoped some kind of explanation for that too. Their relationship was left at the point of the kiss, I hoped at least for the final scenes to change through the way you played the game, or some indication something happend in the night they spent together. I didn't think that bad of Rachel being in the hospital because she was stabbed. Some other things I think needed more explanation at the end like Drew's father situation maby. But over all I like this game much more than the first one, Life is Strange (the first game) could have been much better if the ending was different (by that I meen more choices), the developers really threw away what could have been a really good game, I guess they though they had more money to spend on the game and in the end just had to figure something out quick.
You made some fair points, its true life is strange, with the endings I guess you can take it that way but I keep my opinion. I did like the original, I just like this one more. But please tell me your opinion on the Rachel is not dead "theory" I have more to add. It's not just what wrote, I do have other points to it, and it's not like those other theories on youtube, those are just desperat tries to keep her alive, I just think there is an enormous plot whole there.
V. Knoxville It's not exactly cheap fan service if we had more Rachel in scenes. Would you say the same about Max and Chloe? That was appropriately paced in LIS when they were without the other throughout the game. But to have the finale when the first two episodes focused a lot on building their friendship OR relationship was kind of odd conceptually for this last episode. Especially since Rachel was the one to develop and influence Chloe's character throughout the entirety of the prequel. Also it's been said that Rachel is the storm once she dies, which makes more sense now that we have an inclination about her supernatural moments like the wind and definitely the fire. How it suddenly extinguished itself once she got stabbed. I've read skme good theories that the storm was her after death wanting to get back at Arcadia Bay and getting Chloe to be with her which is why Chloe always died and the storm was present in every timeline.
You should have never expected Rachels possible powers getting a focus. They implied it pretty heavily for the viewers, especially with the firefighters mentioning that the fire just suddenly went out without any actual help from them at the same time Rachel went to the hospital, but couldn't make it so obvious that Chloe would seem like an idiot for not knowing since it'd be weird if Chloe knew and didn't tell Max.
yeah well the game is revolving around their relationship and the third episode felt rushed and left many things unexplained. Also: you could just meet the mother if you picked the bracelet. And your other choiced didn't matter. They didnt feel like important choices the ending was the same for everyone after all (with just little differences in the dialogue). Even though I love before the storm with all my heart I have to admit that episode 3 didn't feel as well written as the other episodes.
These games are so good at making you dread the “right” choice and consider accepting the emotional burden that comes with choosing the “happy” ending. I couldn’t bring myself to lie to her either, but I’m glad that they were still happy for a while before Rachel got got.
When you look at the e-mail from Sera to James Amber, the e-mail address that you comment on, ArcadiaoDA.or.us, the "or" is the abbreviation for Oregon and is how state government offices in the US are designated (note, though, that a real e-mail address would be .or.gov here, though, not .or.us). Just thought you would like to know. Also, a breezeway is usually an open storage space in a US home, having a roof but often no side walls, usually connecting a garage to the main house structure.
Thanks for waiting for ALL THE FEELS.
P.S. Did anyone recognise the receptionist at the hospital...?
Eurogamer I think it needed another episode
Wolverine169 Wolverine169 well there kinda is another one coming...
Jamie Lambert not the bonus episode how nathan went nuts and how Frank and Rachel fell in love
Jamie Lambert how it falls into place
Wolverine169 Wolverine169 Fair enough, but for me I feel that we don’t need all questions answered as it sort of lessens the event of Life is Strange (1). But I get why you would feel that
Rumour has it that if you whisper "insubordination" three times in the mirror late at night, David Madsen appears behind you and gives you a lecture using military analogies
Andy Mcp Of Principal Ray Wells telling you he takes his duties seriously
Gold
Why the fuck did this make me laugh so hard
Andy Mcp this had me dead
im cryyyinggggg omgggg 😂😂😂
The hardest choice in the game: Choosing the right outfit
XD true others were easier
I tried all of them.
I never played original LIS, so none of that crap ever happens and they move to LA and Chloe becomes the next Banksy and Rachel becomes an actress and they both lived happily ever after together and never die under tragic circumstances and I'm a grown man and this is canon and shut up and no you're crying
Saaaaaammeee
This both happens, and does not happen simultaneously in the comics.
@@piratetv1 They're actually so good. Wayy better than I expected
@@piratetv1 Doesn’t the Comics introduce the idea that there is an infinite amount of timeline’s meaning that in a way your headcanon can be considered canon?
The line at 39:26 ("Who cares if the stars are dead as long as we can still see them?") feels like a subtle 4th wall break as a way of saying that we should allow ourselves to enjoy seeing Chloe and Rachel together even though we know their eventual fates.
Death may indeed be final but the love we share while living is eternal, right?
Rachel Amber I wish you could have met max instead of being killed by that Jefferson bastard. I know this takes place a couple of years before the first game but in a way it’s a shame that Rachael never got to meet max. The 3 of them would have been an awesome trio 💔💔💔💔💔😢😢
Nathan killed Rachel by giving her an overdose. I agree though that she should have met Max
I challenge you on the notion that love is eternal. Love is only eternal if that love is recorded and continue to propagate throughout human history, like Romeo and Juliet, but who's to say humanity will live til the end of time and continue to tell your love story to other, human and nonhuman. You can say love is infinite, but eternal...nah. But then again, if you are speaking in terms of fairy tale, then don't mind this pessimist. JAJAJA
right
Oh shut up. You cheated on her
I too am adopted and I’ve definitely always known, my mum handled it he complete opposite way Rachel’s dad has. I didn’t really have an interest in knowing more about my biological parents and my mum was always like “but don’t you want to know more?”. Personally I think it’s the best way to handle it because it’s always been my decision and I’m grateful my mother can recognise that
It should be left up to the child. Honesty is best. Just because they aren't your parents by blood does not mean they aren't your parents.
Just in case: here are the dialogue choices you need to make to get Rachel to meet Sera without the bracelet:
- you know my name
- know about what?
- I dont understand
- she deserves to meet you
- everyone is broken
- I lost my father
- rachel needs you
- I thought my dad was perfect
- dont you want to see her
- dont leave
- Tell Rachel Everything
This is the only way to get it without Rachel's bracelet.
Thanks!!!!! A bunch!!!
You don't need the first one. I asked about Frank and still got it. I think the rest of those choices pretty much line up with what I said, though. :o
Ty I will try it
The last one can also be the 'I'll be here for her' or whatever, I picked that and I got her to meet Rachel.
thanks !!! You're HELLA amazing
Did you guys notice that Chloe's scene asking to be sacrificed on DnD is an accurate reference to the dialogue with Max in Life is Strange 1?
When she convinces Max to go back in time and let her die in the Blackwell bathroom! 😭😱
she convinces Max if you let her though...
Ana Rita Martins in my savegame Chloe lost her "backtalk challenge" and Max don't rewind to let her die in the bathroom. 😂😂😂
Having watched the whole video, may I just say thank you, Johnny and Aoife for sharing your expeience of this with us. I have but one critisism to make... just two cans of emergency gin? What were you thinking...
We were not prepared...
You guys needed a case of emergency gin.
@@skeetermcghee8212 Each
Okay but you two breaking into song in the middle of that dramatic moment made it all better for a bit
Happy to see your playthrough of EP 3!!! You both are awesome! Ganging up on Steph huh ;)
Only because we love her so much
only seeing this comment now xD
you guys are the best Let's play of Lis. The BEST!!! no one care that much about Rachel and no one understand Chloe like you do, plus you guys hate Eliot as much as i do hahaha i love it. At the end when you found out Rachel can meet her mother, your reactions were priceless, i was the same, i failed Rachel :(
Try "geek remix", they're very involved and understanding, also very funny. They also have amazing theories, they knew about mark Jefferson since the 1st ep of lis.
Beginning: "Ah, I miss the wine from the other episode".
40 mins in: "YES GIN"
The saddest thing is.... This game, these characters, this season... It's over.
wait for Life is Strange 2!
Did you ever play the first one? Because a second Life is Strange may be a bit hard...
Life is strange 2 will have other characters and another story. This was the last game with Chloe/Rachel/Max
there is a comic coming out in 2019 and a book this year, which covers there story :)
I have been hesitating between playing this episode myself first or experiencing it for the first time with you guys. I have opted for watching it with you both first. You two are the best and make me love all of these episodes all the more.
Oh Christ. Oh Christ almighty. That ending hits like a freight train filled with sledgehammers.
Rachel was dying to leave Arcadia Bay, had a working vehicle, 12,000+ dollars,
and a girlfriend who was ready to go, but they didn't leave???
Okay...
honestly I was hoping this episode was going to be about their road trip and I wanted to see if the location you picked in episode 2 would make a difference. Guess not :(
Yeah, I think 2 episodes of fan service / roadtrip adventure and after that episode 5 could have been this. I wanted to "play" those happy moments in the ending montage..
I chose to lie to her, so it made sense she wouldn't leave. But if you tell her the truth I don't see why she wouldn't leave with Chloe, it just doesn't make sense for her to stay when she was 100% decided on going.
@@Kyizen the only logical explanation is Chloe. Rachel’s been wanting leave even before meeting Chloe while Chloe was hesitant the entire time even though she always wanted to leave. The fandom nowadays believes that Rachel was going to leave with or without Chloe, but Rachel already left for a trip in 2011 and was assumed by Max to have taken a roadtrip with Frank, yet Rachel still came back. Why? Because she doesn’t want to leave WITHOUT Chloe.... and that ultimately got her killed :’(
*edit: No matter which decision you choose in BtS, the truth eventually comes out because in LiS1 the Ambers aren’t even looking for Rachel anymore and Rachel lived in the Blackwell dorms so they had a fall out after the truth was revealed.
Add me to the list of people who absolutely love this episode. It was a huge thematic triumph for a video game, I think, and the whole "truth versus lie" concept not only tied the entire episode together, but did so much to explain a lot of episodes 1 and 2. I feel like the ending truly has no correct choice. Once you think you know your decision, you think of a reason to doubt yourself. It's an impossible decision, but (and this is what makes it so good) it's an impossible decision real people really have to make every day, and that's heartbreaking.
I feel like I fundamentally disagree with a lot of the people who say they dislike this one, and, in reading a lot of comments, I feel like we may have played a different game altogether. Maybe people were expecting something different, I dunno. But I feel like I got exactly what I was expecting, in many ways. It was never intended to link the two games together, which is why the devs set it three years before the original. I also didn't mind the absence of Rachel (if you can even call it that. She's on screen for pretty much half the episode, though people like to imply that she disappears completely once she's in the hospital). It's a game about Chloe, who we got to see grow as a character and tackle an impossible situation alone. Rachel is really there, however, the whole episode, because the entire thing is about acting for her sake. Whether she is there physically or not, the entire episode is *intimately about her.*
I also feel like everything that "wasn't explained" didn't need to be explained. Some situations can be resolved by simple inference using info in the game, and overloading the story with explanatory elements would distract from the main story the game was telling. Like what happens to James since he tried to have Sera killed? Doesn't matter. He's the DA, he covers it up, I dunno. Imagine your own scenario. Since you can meet Sera at the end, she clearly didn't get a lethal dose from Damon before Frank showed up to step in. So did Chloe meet her, or was it a dream? The scene works in different ways and carries different meaning if you think of it as a dream versus thinking of it as real. I'm glad it's ambiguous.
The same goes for Rachel's "powers". Would the game have been better if it had told you that she was a fire witch from a long line of fire witches who have long inhabited Arcadia Bay? Also Rachel *was* the storm, and Max is a Time Lord? And also, there are now a dozen separate canon timelines where all your favorite ships are alive and happy. No. Because all of that is stupid. The powers and the supernatural in Arcadia Bay function mainly as metaphors. Max's time powers reflected her timidity and inability to make choices. Rachel's link to fire reflects her thinly disguised anger and mania. You explain them, you ruin them.
Blah, blah, blah. Differences in opinion and all that.
tl;dr - I'm sad that not everyone loved this episode like I did, because it's hella amazing.
pbnjpeg Dude! Reading your comment was such a relief for me! I completely and totally agree with you. And I'm not saying because I want people to agree with me or I only like to read what I think but because I feel like your way of seeing and understanding this masterpiece is really mature and highly intellectual. This game resonated with me so much and I'm glad that people like you are able to see it for what it is and really process what moral dilemmas it wanted you to think about. I'm so glad the devs kept the mystical elements on the periphery amd behind curtains. They are just there for analogies and metaphores as you said. Otherwise they would be just cheap attention baits. I don't think they left anything out that needed explaining. These stories can be so compelling becase they leave room for imagination and free interpretation. Everything has so much and sometimes different meaning and it leaves you wanting for more.
To write an example the scene on the roadside where Chloe talks to his William the first time while awake pretty much startled me, especially because later she writes im her letter that it was the first time for that to happen while not sleeping. I thought that her symptoms having PTSD are starting to develop as she shows signs for that im the first game as well. Pretty sad if you ask me.
I was surprised too that Eurogamer guys were so sure that James actions are so one-sidedly bad. I don't think it's that easy to understand what he's doing, Sara has all the valid points too at the table and it is absolutely polarizing what to do at the end. There is no good or bad or morally/ethically good choice I think, it depends what kind of world you want for Rachel.
All in all, a great ending to a great whole season, the narrative was just genius, no surprise it generates these discussions...
Thanks for the thoughtful response, man. I know there are plenty of people out there who are enjoying the episode as much as we did. We're just quieter, at the moment, than the people who were upset or let down by it, I think.
I also really loved the final decision because of how much the game screws with you and creates cognitive dissonance regarding what choice you should make. For instance, Johnny and Aoife told William by the roadside that it was better to not know the truth about if he had lied. They didn't want to hear it. But then, only a few minutes later, when they were Chloe trying to decide whether to tell Rachel the truth or not, they were so strongly leaning the *exact opposite* direction. They didn't want to *hear* the truth, but when put into the position of someone who *knew* the truth, they felt they couldn't keep it a secret.
I had the exact opposite thought process. I told William I would want to know the truth, but then when I was faced with telling the truth to Rachel, the only thing that convinced me to go through with it was the fact that I couldn't stand knowing that Chloe would be yet another person who had lied to Rachel. The desire to protect is strong.
There really, truly is no right choice.
Yeah right?! When I first played I found myself always in doubt and wondering what to do in the given situation, without thinking some time back what happened in conversations. Then when I replayed the episode I instantly noticed all the little details the writers put in the characters mouth in order for you to think from different sides about the final decision. For example when we're lying on Rachel's bed we're talking about the starts and at first Rachel is disenchanted because they're beautiful but ultimately fake. Then a few minutes later of talking with Chloe she changes his mind and says as long as we can see them they are THERE for us and they are indeed real to US. Just like her family if you keep the truth hidden. This conversation is already about the final choice so early in the episode!
To get back more on the scene with William on the side of the road, it was the second most emotional moment for me. I actually stopped and thought about my family and my father, I put myself into that situation where Chloe imagined herself. What if I don't know something painful about my past or childhood? Would I want to know and be broken about it? Would I love my own father less because he didn't wanted to cause me pain? I felt no. I told William I wouldn't love him less if I found out he lyed about something hurtful. This decision felt personal to me. I think the line between truth and protective lie is so thin or even blurred that we can't really differentiate them. When William said that as a father the risk that your child would love you even just a little less because of something you did is so terrifying that he'd probably avoid it, he convinced me. I think after a point the truth becomes so terrible that it's maybe better to protect the other person's emotional integrity. If you feel it reached that point and you choose to lie it doesn't mean you don't love or respect the other, on the contrary, you love that person so deely that you're willing to carry the burden of the truth for your loved one, so she doesn't have to suffer from it. It can be a kind of self-sacrifice. It's not neccessarily the better choice but the other person can still trust you 100% because you would never let anything bad happen to her. At least this is one argument.
Funny because I told William to tell me the truth, I won't love him less for it, but he couldn't, then at the end I didn't tell Rachel the truth. I think both ending decisions fit the story of the girls so well. I can imagine both outcomes and their continued life until the events of the original game.
If you think about how their relationship continues, which you know from the first game, Rachel also lied to Chloe on many occasions in order to protect their relationship and Chloe's feelings. She had feelings for Frank and Jefferson too but she choose to not let Chloe know because she knew it would just break her heart, which in the end happened anyway...
Agreed x100 I loved this episode so much.
I'm so late to the party! I loved this episode and Before the Storm as a whole too, way more relatable than Life is Strange 1 in my opinion.
Fair play on your last choice. You cant lie to someone you love on that level.
also If you did Lie You'd just be another Disappointment in the web of lies in Rachel's Life
Plus You have To Tell Rachel the truth
Totaly on your side. choose that too. She deserves the truth even if that hurts. I was shocked by 50%/50% in the end screen. How can you lie to rachel.
I think, you dont have to protect her from the truth, you have protect her from her father. Maybe he loves his daughter, but he's a dangerous man. Maybe more dangerous than Junkie- Sera (before her drugs rehabilitation).
agreed
"Don't talk, just spoon" my new motto😂
Oh god, there is someone worse than Warren, significantly more worse than Warren
Never even minded Warren...
Imo Warren is mostly just annoying. Elliott on the other hand is almost as creepy as Nathan & Jefferson. And entitled. And so obsessed with Chloe. When you reject Warren he at least just gets another girl that's arguably a better fit for him anyway.
I've watched a few LP's of LiS and it seems strange to me that everyone is always so quick to forgive the fact that David is an abuser. Everyone forgets that David smacks Chloe around in ep. 1 if you don't take the blame, and the way she reacts it seems a lot like this was not the first time. Sure he might save Max and be sad the Chloe died, but that doesn't make up for _beating_ your stepchild when she talks back.
Definitely agreed . I wish there had been a further option to really give him a piece of your mind (though to be fair you can at least refuse to accept his sob story about the picture).
Yeah the one frustrating thing about these games is nobody has the same experience so I'm like "Ok like I get David has nuance and maybe gives a shit about her but he still slapped Chloe pretty fucking hard" every time people try to praise him and then I remember a subset of people NEVER saw that
Just like in this game, there's a way for Rachel to drug Victoria ACTIVELY (Rachel is out of the play bc you didn't take the blame but wants to be in it) and most people wouldn't notice because they took the blame but it would color whether you viewed her character as toxic / manipulative / dangerous or not.
You can get Rachel to meet Sera by picking the correct dialogue choices when Chloe meets Sera. Its pretty tricky. The easiest way to get it is by having the bracelet. But it's not necessary and who would pass up kisses.
Sera didn't die.
I was able to have Rachel meet Sera and it was a little extra closure. If you want the proper choices for that, I can put them in a comment.
I've been really mad over this for a couple days, but after watching this and enjoying it with you guys I realized they did a *really* good job in most ways that mattered. There are a lot of perspectives you can take on it, and it's absolutely impossible to please everyone while giving an ending to dead characters in a prequel.
It's cute how much you two love Chloe. It's a nice change from other let's players who don't know the game as well and bash on our poor girl. x(
Yeah right ? Finally !, It's unbearable for me to watch someone who doesn't like her.
Same here! Now that we know why she is the way she is in LIS it's hard not to love her even more.
I agree. Their love for Chloe is what made them enjoyable to watch tbh. The other lets players out there who bash on Chloe are the very same people who dont take time to explore everything in the game. They miss 80% of the game's lore and meanings behind the character's actions and dialogue. Then they'll all blame it on the game in the end. Its frustrating.
@@Chiki_uwu 100 % agreed , I've just finished the game today and exploring everything was the best decision I could've made as you find out so much more about Chloe's past ,relationships and life (and I loved all the references to geek culture that subtly show Chloe's still a nerd) . Taking the time to talk to everyone , interacting with the environment makes the (already great) game extraordinary :).
@@Chiki_uwu EXACTLYYY!!!!!! Oh my god ive been saying this and I am so glad you said this. People who hate on chloe clearly didnt understand the game at all and why she is the way she is.
The thing I hate absolutely the most in relationships of any kind, is that dumb idea of "protecting" someone with a lie. No matter how hard and cruel the truth is, people MUST know it. Everyone deserve to know. Have to know. There is always a way to handle the truth, no matter how long it takes and how draining it is. No truth is so hard that a lie is a valid option.
And overcoming those difficult truths is what makes you grow as a person and adapt. It's a nice idea wanting to protect someone you love and I liked the fact that William in that scene (aka her conscience) introduced the idea/question about loving someone the same or any less if they told a lie to protect you, which is out at its core out of love. And you have the other side of the coin where everyone has been lying and Rachel states "No more lies", it's a huge motif throughout BtS as a whole. And in LIS: "Everybody lies, no exceptions"
Well, I mean, if someone says they don't want to know the truth, that's fine. Their decision.
But here, Rachel wants to know. And she trusts only Chloe. How in the world would anyone in Chloe's shoes abuse that trust and lie to her? Especially when the "father in question" hired an assassin to murder another person ???
(Dont look at my grammar, English is not my mother tongue.)
He dont hired an assassin to murder Sera. He hired a psycho to shoot up her to making her addicted again, so no court would let her to her daugther.
But I'm with you. Rachel deserves the truth. She'll find a way to handle it.
"I would never let that happen to you. Because you'd be handcuffed to the radiator at home where you'd never be out of my sight. Which is where I'm taking you right now in the trunk of my car."
In all honesty, Eliot sends a chill down my spine. Did you pick up on the implication that he stalked Chloe to the junk yard and that's why he knew to write the truck graffiti in his book of creepy poetry?
Chloe & Rachel are literally my favourite duo ever... Like seriously.
I think this was a good ending to a fantastic game, it wasn't as good as EP2, but still good. I loved this series so much and it really has impacted me. That final cut scene, after showing them so happy together, crushed me too, that was a gut punch. I would have loved to have a BTS 2 with playable Rachel, but with those cut scenes, it'll probably never happen. I really will miss Chloe and Rachel in these games.
If this game made me learn something, its what happy endings never happen
If you take a wide enough perspective, what is considered a happy ending in a life or a relationship? We all die eventually and are limited to a certain amount of time of happiness in our life. Rachel and Chloe had about 3 amazing years together and then it all ended in tragedy... but that's what makes it so valuable and unique, because it ended. Such is life!
I had that same thought, Norbert, and then I realized that life is just one crazy ride and we all die at the end and what is the point of existence? haha sorry, still reeling from the feels of this episode... haha
That needed more kissing. Could we take out that final horrible reminder about the dark room and add more kissing please. Just more moments of Rachel and Chloe being adorable girlfriends.
Still masses of questions needing to be angered but I'm glad you went the tell her route. In the end it would of been Chloe making the same choice everyone else had and Rachel not being given a choice in her own life. And what if she had found out you'd lied. She'd of felt totally betrayed.
I like that they did the Elliot scene. It made me feel sick but I think it was kind of brave decide to show that what people brush off as harmless every time can actually turn terrifying and dangerous.
So if Frank killed Daemon like he think, could that be a reason for him to act like his does in life is strange.
So many questions! Genuinely sad that there's on the farewell episode left of these videos with Chloe. Enjoyed them so much, thank you both!
If you guys play this again on your own time you should think about telling Mr. North to ask Drew about what's been going on. That was the choice I made in my game, and Chloe isn't passive aggressive at all. I thought she was actually very kind in that response. She's not just throwing Drew under the bus.
When I saw the end ... a broken heart and soul .... Thanks to Deck Nine for this Christmas present, and he crashed me to the bottom.💔👏😖😭😢🔫
This game breaks my heart. You can just feel it in your bones all that is possible for these two young girls and their future. However, they are both doomed and there is nothing we can do about it.
@GiRayne I agree that they def should have cut the final scene and let them be happy + it feels like the women of this game never get to be happy + go through too much trauma, but I will say this game and its ending plays entirely differently if you picked Bae > Bay (and I didn't pick it for the ship...I actually thought through the implications of sacrificing the Bay character by character [I think my Ep 2 ending heavily influenced my choice along with not wanting to put Joyce through the loss of Chloe]). Literally if they'd been like "sacrifice Max" as an option, I love her but I would have picked Arcadia Bay. For me it was just like "Chloe deserves better than to die in a bathroom thinking everyone she loves abandoned her or died and that 'nobody would even miss her punk ass, would they?'" Before the storm just confirmed that decision for me (she acts hard & angry but she's soft as fuck). Plus, there's the "we fucked with time and there were consequences, what did we learn if we just go back and undo everything" + "max never asked for these powers, if chloe was actually meant to die it should have just happened the first time" arguments.
3:25:33
"Watson you decide here."
*Watson sticks his tongue out*
BEST PART XD
Omg I was dying watching you two during the creepy Eliot scene XD
On a more serious note, I think they were trying to portray Eliot as a covert narcissist, and he was frustrated that Chloe wasn't playing the part of the codependent.
I've always picked the Punk Doe bonus outfit, so I never knew that different default outfits would be commented on by different characters. Thanks, Eurogamer, for teaching me something new about the series I love! And thanks to Johnny and Aoife, for validating every moment I've teared up whilst playing these games.
OH NO. The credits are rolling, and they think it's all over. How can I warn them about what's about to happen next? TURN OFF THE CONSOLE RIGHT NOW! I NEED SCISSORS! 61!
"You're welcome, Lady" to Samantha - a name we find on a red binder in Life is Strange... good job dude!
People should really read bios on characters given in journal. It gives so much info. On Eliot especially. He actually has the right to care much and be angry about stuff. But that does not gives him an excuse to overcome some boundaries, right. Just check his intro, i belive you can find it somewhere online.
That very last part hit me hard too. They just had to remind us.
Jefferson: "Moving to arcadia bay pom pom pom..." Best ending ever
I love both of your reactions. It was nice watching you play it and commentary is on point c:
There's a perfect dynamic of analytic and fun chemestry between these two in these let's plays. Hope they play something like the new The Last Of Us, Detroit: Becoming Human, and such.
Elliot is everything people thought Warren was. Warren was completely innocuous, he was totally fine when max picked Chloe over him. Yes he texted her a lot but he was also completely supportive of max and Chloe having a relationship if that's what she wanted. Unlike Elliot who is genuinely fucking terrifying and horribly true to life.
I haven't watched the whole vid yet, but you guys seem to missunderstand what happened to sera. They didn't overdose her but they did get her high. So then she felt hooked again and unable to see rachel as she was high. So she doesn't actually die as you guys seemed to think. Just letting you guys know❤ (sorry if I got anything wrong, this is just my interpretation of the events) (idk how to spell interpretation😂)
Close, but it was more about destroying her legal credibility and thus torching Sera's court case by putting drugs in her system and thus undeniable evidence of drug use and her unfitness to be a parent/ have custody rights. James is a DA (law degree), he knows he doesn't have to murder her to get her gone, if not by her own will as actually ended up happening, then by that of the law/ legal system.
Cooe14 Oh, that makes more sense!
@@Cooe. they still made her relapse back into heroin addiction... which is basically going to overdose her some day since addiction’s just hard shit to kick through... James knew that and knew how destructive addiction was, yet he still did it.
I was like " TELL HER, PLEASE, PLEASE, TELL HER!"
ME TOO
SPOILER:
Rachael only meets Sera if you asked for her Racheal's bracelet in the 2nd episode. Then when Sera is leaving the mill, you have the choice to hand it to her. When you hand it to her, Sera will show up at the lighthouse when Rachael and you are talking at the end.
CoolMoon there are more another ways, i played absolutely different from what you just wrote and still they met. In 2nd ep. i kissed Rachel and there are more choices which can cause their meeting. But good to know more ways, thanks. ☺
AreS
Do you remember what you did to cause it?
There are a lot of decisions which can cause it and its hard to guess...but i think that it must be when Chloe is talking with Sera in the mill because only there you can persuade Sera to find Rachel and meet her. Of course, it can cause any of other decisions in any part of the game too :-)
If you don't have the bracelet you will have to take a specific path in the dialogue with Sera. Eurogamer were not too far off that path, but they should have told Sera, she will tell Rachel the truth no matter what, instead of chosing to remind Sera of her letters.
U can do it even if you choose the kiss option.
Chloe has to absolutely be my favorite character in any game I've played! She's so easy to connect to. And Rachel and Chloe have to be my favorite couple in a game too. *Bae over Bay!*
Did you notice that Max appeared and disappeared on Chloe's school photo when she is graffitiing it? o.O?!!!
XIM 2J HOLLY SHIT!!!! THATS TRUE! Right next to Chloe!
omfg!!!
Eliott: "Stalking is defined as repeated unwanted interactions"
True story, bro.
Btw, did you know you can see Sera in LiS? Its just short moment, but Deck9 built entire story from that. Thats pretty amazing.
Oh man, I wish you could bring in Zak Garriss again for another playthrough and a little season recap... I'm really curious to know how much discussion was going on in the Deck Nine team about that post-credits scene.
3:38:18 Johnny is me for basically the last 4 days lol
2:49:55 "Stalker much?"
"Stalking is defined as repeated unwanted interactions..."
Yeah, not only behaving in a way that causes somebody to worry about your behaviour, but to know the definition of stalking on top of that...
Something tells me this isn't the first time Elliot has been doing stuff like this.
C*_*D
Chloe Price must be the most stylish character in gaming. Her outfits are so well put together. Deck Nine have used her clothes to explain her character and show her story. Almost no other games bother doing that. We all express our personalities through what we wear and more developers should follow Deck Nine's example. The likes of say BioWare and Bethesda create fantastical universes but they're so sartorially drab. Would it be so hard for them to employ at least one fashion nerd.
I played it last night and I still am I shock over the end credit scene it was Just I don't know how to describe it
I still love the episode though and it might be my favourite
Right in the feels. The scene with William was heartbreaking. The part at the very end makes me very sad too. Very wonderful play through, you are my favorite to watch Life is Strange videos!
3:32:49 Listening to that knowing what's after the credits is... kind of hilarious haha
I don't understand the hate for Warren. Granted, in my playthrough, I didn't see him through Max's window, sort of spying on her. And yes, that is fairly creepy. In my playthrough, he just seemed like someone who was trying too hard and couldn't take a hint, but not in a scary way. And at the end, at the Vortex Club party, Warren seemed to get it and was totally willing to back off with no hard feelings. Eliot, by comparison... I found nothing redeeming about him. Even in the very first interaction, something felt off about him. First, he seemed overly clingy, then he seemed possessive, and then he seriously crossed the line. Between Warren and Eliot? Warren, every time.
OMG when you guys started singing Pocahontas. :D Love that movie. Love this game. Great gameplay!
It's so weird seeing frank in this and trying to connect him to the frank we know from LiS, but i think that killing his "best friend" damon, or supposedly killing him probably really changed him as he came to terms with it over time, also that he then had to become more intimidating in order to successfully take over damon's place in this drug dealing business they got.
Johnny's excitement over round two of D&D is just precious :')
Absolutely CRYING at the fact that they had g&t's waiting just off screen 😂😂😂
The last decision was really hard! I sit there easy around 15 minutes. But i also choose to tell the truth, because everybody lied to her.
And the ending is so evil... these last 10 seconds. They can't just let the episode end with a happy ending, so they smashed it into your face. But that's it, there are not always happy endings in life.
Best moment in this video: 1...2...3 : Tell/Protect
Well done!
That must be the most chill dog in the world
She's pretty laid back. She also has the softest ears ever.
Please bring puppers back for all future let's plays on this channel k thnx.
3:35:57 the immediate “WHAT” from both of you is amazing!
@Eurogamer Hi guys! BTS is my first experience on your channel and I loved it. Fun fact: I played Before The Storm prior to LIS without knowing anything about what was going to happen! That preview cut scene at the end of this episode? I had no idea what was happening! I'm not sure which is worse, knowing or finding out in the dark room episode. Anyway I am grateful that you are so thoughtful about the characters and ponder the choices with actual depth! Looking forward to watching your Farewell play through!
-A new subscriber and fellow *I'm not crying you're crying* fan of LIS!
So glad you enjoyed it, and welcome aboard!
The best let's play i ever seen. I like ur discussions
The thing is you cant really protect her because we all know she ends up in the dark room no matter what the outcome might aswell tell the truth. And the fact she trusted chloe with everything. You cant lie to her just like everyone else
So glad I decided to watch all your playthroughs of this game, you're great! Also the face cam feels better in this episode compared to the last one :D Now off to play and watch the original LiS (for the first time) which I see you posted videos of as well, might be a completely different experience having seen the games in their chronological order instead of by release date!
Speaking of which, is it safe to play one episode of the original game and then watch you two play it, or do you reference things happening later on in the series that could be spoiling the story?
I think to be safe you’d be better off playing the whole thing first. We more or less keep it explicitly spoiler-free but our reactions to certain things might be borderline spoilery! Hope you enjoy it, and thanks for watching us! - Aoife
[Spoilerish warning]
It seems like there's definite space left in the chronology for another 3 episodes before LIS.. I suppose we will find out how much is left to tie up after Farewell, but hopefully they'll allow for enough gaps to spend a bit more time either with a happy Chloe & Rachel, or to see them from a third person perspective with another playable character. I want them to have had a really good [period of time] before the inevitable happens, & don't think we got much meat on the bones of that in this epilogue.
Thanks, as ever, for the Let's Play. You made most of the same decisions I would have, except that I jumped the gun on the gnome-tossing.
"What a nice moment to end on"
Oh, how Deck Nine got all of us.
As if you two weren't awesome enough you had to bring the most chill dog into the mix. Adorableness overload.
Loved the playthrough again (barely finished the episode myself). Others have already covered some of the things you guys may have missed but I haven't seen anyone mention the conversation that the firefighters have in the hospital (you guys didn't listen to it). They talk about how the fire just stopped on its own and they've never seen anything like it. It seemed to coincide with when Rachel was stabbed. There's probably nothing there and it's probably just Deck Nine screwing with us with a MacGuffin but it's a throwaway piece of dialogue that adds to the mystery.
Anyone else catch on to that D&D game? It was a anaolgy of Life is Strange episode 5 ending.. impossible odds.. chloe willingly sacrifices herself..
Also yeah that last twist from deck nine showing the darkroom :( we knew it was going to happen, didnt need a reminder lol
The dog really blends in well with the sofa, so well that I didn't notice it 🤔
One thing I havent seen anyone mention was the fact that Damon and James werent ready to go through with killing Sera. Chloe was the one who told Damon to do it. In fact its entirely possible, and I'd argue likely, that James would call the whole thing off after Damon stabbed Rachel. I feel like this is an important point more people should consider.
The ChillyWinds killing Sera isnt the goal, having her relapse and fail the drug test for custody of Rachel.
Breezeway- "A room where you go to fart."
-2017
Awesome playthrough guys! FYI whenever there's a dream sequence, your diary completley changes just like in LIS season 1
The time has finnaly come
@Eurogamer There is one thing you misunderstood about James motives: He didn't pay Damon to kill Sera, but to fix her up. Sera wanted to go to court for Rachel. After now she is not clean anymore, if she still tries to, James just could ask the judge to do a drug screening on her. Since she would be tested positive and her story seems to be too crazy to be true - the word of a Junkie is not trustworthy, the word of the DA is - James would figure that he would win the case. It is still messed up, though
This, this, this. I really couldn't believe how many people got this confused (not that I don't think the series deserved one more episode for better pacing and what not, but I blame Square Enix, not Deck Nine for that 110%)
If Rachel had a favorite quote. I’d like to think that it was this:
“We have calcium in our bones, iron in our brains, carbon in our souls, and nitrogen in our brains. 93% stardust with souls made of flames, we are all just stars that have people names.”
2:10:26 So Drew will create a new DnD Character?
He’s planning to continue the game/story w/ his little brother. What kind of build do you think he would choose? Maybe since the first/last/only campaign he was in saw his character used as a blunt instrument (LITERALLY thrown “like a football”) at the problem/boss/*cough*DAMON, he might be focused on his weaknesses & missteps. After the dialogue w/ Chloe, do you think Drew might be considering a different approach? Maybe a more balanced/nuanced take on things?
...or am I overthinking this?
"I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA SEE JEFFERSONS CAM ROLL" BAHAHAHAHAH
The "be here for Rachel" thing was so funny because it didn't even occur to me how strange it was for Chloe to write that on her hand until I watched this. When I played it I thought it's a great way to show what kind of game this is when that's an objective.
I don't completely understand some of the hate episode 3 is getting. The way I understood the pitch for Before the Storm was that it is about the beginnings of Chloe and Rachels relationship but the game is still very much about Chloe. I liked all 3 episodes and am sad that we're done spending time with these characters.
Guys, did you notice Max on a Blackwell Academy picture that you “burning” or “burnout”???? Next to Chloe on the right. 50:58. What the hell???
Waren was alright, he never pushed anything after you say you kissed Chloe, he was legit!
I think the ending there after the credits is perfect it's to remind us that no matter the happiness that's in Chloes life or how close she gets to a happy ending, it's always taken from her.
Johnny: I really thought it was going to be bad, like we were going to get Jeffersons car rolling in
Aoife: Oh jesus no
Johnny: Like *boopboopbooo movin to Arcaaaadiaaa Baaay!*
Aoife: I really couldn't have handled that
Johnny: Well that was a really nice ending
I totally lost it here
You guys made the right final choice.
Love these.
Really enjoyed going through that emotional journey with you guys.
This was great. Thankyou both.
Oh, that engagement ring, I did not expect this! So great that you guys put the money into Joyce's purse. It was a blessed moment when I noticed she didn't sell it. You are the best :)
Disappointing final episode. I had hoped for more Amberprice smooching and the pacing was all over the shop. Why was Rachel not involved at all for the second half of the whole episode? Why was it all about Sera and Damon Merrick instead of focusing on Rachel and Chloe's relationship? Why wasn't there any explanation as to Rachel's supposed Black Canary shouty powers at the end of episode 1? Are we supposed to believe the wind visual effects were just a coincidence?
On the other hand, there was a lot I loved about this episode. The scene with Eliot in Mr Amber's office, the character development for David Madson and The Tempest dream sequence were all excellent.
They fucked up that conversation between Chloe and Sera though. Chloe just woke up on the floor and Sera didn't help her or anything? That scene had eerie reverb and felt like a dream sequence which was so confusing. I only realised it was a real conversation by the time they finished talking. Felt so unusual.
It's true, Rachels powers were left unexplained (I belive one of the developers actually said she had powers and that those were because of her mother also having powers) I really hoped for that to be explained, I don't know if it's just my stubbornness but I do not belive Rachel is dead (in Life is Strange) because in the 1st episode Chloe says Rachels parents are in denial, her dad being the D.A, and both her mothers loving her so much it's impossible that none looked for her, or Frank has he loved her so much (also her relationship with him also doesn't make sense in this game), the fact that only Chloe and Max actually cared enougth to go find her never made sense, to me at least, and hoped some kind of explanation for that too.
Their relationship was left at the point of the kiss, I hoped at least for the final scenes to change through the way you played the game, or some indication something happend in the night they spent together.
I didn't think that bad of Rachel being in the hospital because she was stabbed.
Some other things I think needed more explanation at the end like Drew's father situation maby.
But over all I like this game much more than the first one, Life is Strange (the first game) could have been much better if the ending was different (by that I meen more choices), the developers really threw away what could have been a really good game, I guess they though they had more money to spend on the game and in the end just had to figure something out quick.
You made some fair points, its true life is strange, with the endings I guess you can take it that way but I keep my opinion.
I did like the original, I just like this one more.
But please tell me your opinion on the Rachel is not dead "theory" I have more to add. It's not just what wrote, I do have other points to it, and it's not like those other theories on youtube, those are just desperat tries to keep her alive, I just think there is an enormous plot whole there.
V. Knoxville It's not exactly cheap fan service if we had more Rachel in scenes. Would you say the same about Max and Chloe? That was appropriately paced in LIS when they were without the other throughout the game. But to have the finale when the first two episodes focused a lot on building their friendship OR relationship was kind of odd conceptually for this last episode. Especially since Rachel was the one to develop and influence Chloe's character throughout the entirety of the prequel.
Also it's been said that Rachel is the storm once she dies, which makes more sense now that we have an inclination about her supernatural moments like the wind and definitely the fire. How it suddenly extinguished itself once she got stabbed. I've read skme good theories that the storm was her after death wanting to get back at Arcadia Bay and getting Chloe to be with her which is why Chloe always died and the storm was present in every timeline.
You should have never expected Rachels possible powers getting a focus. They implied it pretty heavily for the viewers, especially with the firefighters mentioning that the fire just suddenly went out without any actual help from them at the same time Rachel went to the hospital, but couldn't make it so obvious that Chloe would seem like an idiot for not knowing since it'd be weird if Chloe knew and didn't tell Max.
yeah well the game is revolving around their relationship and the third episode felt rushed and left many things unexplained. Also: you could just meet the mother if you picked the bracelet. And your other choiced didn't matter. They didnt feel like important choices the ending was the same for everyone after all (with just little differences in the dialogue). Even though I love before the storm with all my heart I have to admit that episode 3 didn't feel as well written as the other episodes.
These games are so good at making you dread the “right” choice and consider accepting the emotional burden that comes with choosing the “happy” ending.
I couldn’t bring myself to lie to her either, but I’m glad that they were still happy for a while before Rachel got got.
When you look at the e-mail from Sera to James Amber, the e-mail address that you comment on, ArcadiaoDA.or.us, the "or" is the abbreviation for Oregon and is how state government offices in the US are designated (note, though, that a real e-mail address would be .or.gov here, though, not .or.us). Just thought you would like to know. Also, a breezeway is usually an open storage space in a US home, having a roof but often no side walls, usually connecting a garage to the main house structure.
It was a real pleasure watching you guys play and react to this game. Thank you. :)
Here we go for 3 hours and 40 minutes of youtube.
This channel is pretty good I love them. They are funny lmao.
All that crap they talked about people lying to Rachel and then they take forever to decide. It should of been their easiest decision.