This woman is very very very well versed. She isn’t just agreeing with Jordan. She prefers to correct him , and or add to what he says because she knows much more. And he lets her. Which means he’s open and a great interviewer. Bravo.
@@gd303uk She tells she does work for insurance companies and windmill parks. You can think of it what you want, but if such greedy companies are willing to her for her analysis you can be sure she puts out some sane stuff. Because these companies want to get something back for their money. Governments on the other hand don't give a fuck about the money of their tax payers.
I have long followed Dr Curry’s work on climate science and have missed her excellent commentary in recent years. She has long been at the pinnacle of rational thought on this important subject. Thank you Dr Petersen for a most invigorating discussion. I sincerely hope you will schedule follow-on with her.
Why did Exxon hide its own science data it had from its successful climate models which are based on effects of CO2? Some say this news is evidence of malice, misinformation of fossil fuel indistry and so justifieing the man made climate change hysteria.
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE IN TURKEY TO RAISE AWARENESS! Thousands of Turkish people are under buildings waiting for help in freezing weather due to one of the biggest earthquakes; the Government left people to death; please; I’m begging share this with your followers. People are not dying due to earthquakes but dying because of not adequate help (and because of that, the government hides the number of deaths); they are still alive, screaming for help under buildings, their relatives hear their screams, but no rescuer is there to help them :( Anyone who Googles it and reads it 5 min can understand our desperation :( (note: please share the ‘’ahbap’’ organization ( this is not a government organisation but public help organization))
Well: Politicians are not teachers, so you should NEVER listen to them to learn anything. They will lie, construte, mischaracterize what they want to lie, construte or mischaractize about. The only politicians that are a bit more trustworthy then your next door used car broker are politicians who never wanted to be politicians, like Donald Trump or Dwight D Eisenhower (the only reason he became president was to avoid that some shady politician would use the nuclear bomb to destroy the soviet union, which was a valid plan in the beginning of the 1950s!) And sorry, media will also not explain you complex topics in a meaningful way. Journalists are trained to dumb down every topic to a point where its so one sided and wrong, that you could also just believe the next crackhead on the street
The planet has heated and had ice ages. It has done it 7 times over thousands of years. The time for another change is overdue. Just because we are here doesn’t mean the planet will not continue its cycles just because we are here. It never ends well for anyone that tries to go against the plans God has. 🙏🏻. Plus none of these “experts” really know what will happen…all they can do is guess. I will stand with Jesus, the One Savior that knows how this ends.
The reasons Dr. Curry left academia are the same reasons I left immediately after earning my PhD in atmospheric sciences. I ran models as projections for past years and compared to multiple reanalyses. My dissertation showed that climate models produce extreme solutions in whichever direction they go. I figured as a newly minted PhD, I'd be welcome nowhere with that as my conclusion. I can't like this video enough.
@@criticalcommenter You might be thinking of brainwashing. The climate change nonsense is turning my country into an unaffordable mess. She speaks the truth. You can fix your model to come out anyway you wish. Consensus is not science.
This is what a strong woman looks like. What a beautiful thing it is seeing a strong man and woman having a deep and productive conversation as equals.
Follow the money. Fossil fuel subsidies were $5.9 trillion in 2020 or about 6.8 percent of global GDP. Source: Parry et al. (2021) "Still Not Getting Energy Prices Right: A Global and Country Update of Fossil Fuel Subsidies"
Judith Curry was the first person I found on the internet when I went looking for contrarian scientists a few years ago. The reason I went looking for contrarian scientists was because my own little data set saw no impact of climate change. And I began to doubt the narrative and the so called science of climate change. Thanks Dr Curry!
Since 2010, i begin to doubt because i discuss with people who had made their homework. Then i was sceptic about the fact that we were using «low emission» for «green». Finally, myy own research in official canadian papers showed me that canadian climate has never been seriously studied, that we have no idea (canadian paper's are based on IPCC prediction and not on factual proxy) AND i saw by myself that some data had been «corrected». I work 50 km away from home. In 10 years, around the highway, i saw the land being massively changed, a lot of parking lot, shopping mail, even small city's, . SO no evaporation from trees (no more trees), no albedo and massive heat accumulation during the days. So on that 50 km alone, where the temperature use to be 2,3, or 4 colder than the the closest city (MTL), it is often the same. But you go 10 km north and it is STILL colder, as before. My point, whit these fact alone, you have «warming», but is it cause by CO2, i doubt it. Albedo is much more plausible (green trees VS black higway...) Guess what, where there is an official meteo station, that uses to be surround by forests, the is now a suburb...
I was about 6 or 7 when that I can remember the first time I heard of the Climate Change Grift. It was called Global Warming at the time. Every decade or so, "Experts" would give the grift a new name. After several decades went by (I'm 50), and nothing really changed, I did a little digging. Humans Occupy roughly 5 percent of the earths surface. 5 PERCENT! They tell us that we produce to much co2. You know what needs co2 to grow? The Plants that provide us with oxygen. Guess what happens when there is no CO2?. They have convinced the masses, that the 5% of area that humans occupy on the Earths surface, can effect the earth's climate. LOL Humans have the same effect on the earth's climate, as a fart in a hurricane.
I found her in n Quora You can’t imagine all the people there who called her attack People with no scientific background at all She was reported and blocked so many times she just left
Im glad I am alive at the same time as Dr.Peterson. You truly are one of the great minds of our time. May Christ walk with you all the days of your life
Dr. Jordan, your most recent talk on the JRE was fantastic. Thank you for continuing to speak the truth while so many others continue to be afraid to speak out.
Yes, I agree about his last chat with Joe on JRE.. Jordan was firing on all cylinders and I feel that he is actually continuing to improve even more. Joe just mostly sat and listened.. as would I. Very very impressive and well done 👏
He is a shining light indeed.. He's the angel who brought light to the world and will shine the light on those who lie in government. This is the main reason they want to shut him down or cancel him
Don't you think the recent events, droughts, massive forest fires, flood elsewhere, tend to prove you wrong ? I know, correlation is not causality, but prudence would be safer. And we are gaining 0,3°C by decade. Not much. Just do the math for a century. I can't already use the upper level of my house in summer (South of France). From June to September, we live in the dark. The winegrowers water the grape. Never seen. But water is rationed. Judith Curry's position is political. I read her "Plan B", it's vague. She is out of her area of expertise, lists generalities and doesn't talk much about climate. In her introduction, I found this absolute stupidity : "If climate models are to be believed, reducing emissions will do little to improve the 21st century climate, with effects only occurring in the 22nd century and beyond." That shows she just didn't understand the fucking problem. We don't do that for us, but for the future generations.
@@universalmonster4972 not everyone is a child, I remember the alarmism in late '70s over a potential ice age! Yes, some people have lived "many winters", National Geographic was huge success in 1970's, lots of environmental interest so.......... why do disbelieve someone saying they had an active interest in climate/environmental issues for decades?
@@ofdrumsandchords Forest fires are not greater in size or frequency than they were 100 years ago. Drought is not increasing globally - the planet is greening. Hurricanes are not greater in size or frequency than they were 100 years ago either. Regional changes in weather patterns do not constitute a global climate emergency. The climate is always changing. Always has. And where on earth did you read 0.3 C per decade. That is patently false. According to HADCRUT4 (the longest standing global temperature record) we have gone up about 0.7 C since the 1940s (the period where mass production and rapid industrialization began) and about 0.5 C the 70 years prior to that. Saying that Judith Curry is out of her area of expertise along with your idiotic lack of knowledge of even basic climate related data clearly shows you don't a have clue what you are talking about. Curry is a Professor Emeritus and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology and currently runs the Climate Forecast Applications Network, a climate-risk consulting company. She has published over 130 scientific peer-reviewed papers. If there was someone who was more of an expert on "the fucking problem" they would be hard to find.
I loved listening to Dr. Curry for years and was disappointed when she dropped out of public view. I am glad to see her again. She and Dr. Peterson are demonstrate the demeanor of scientists. Feelings have no place in science discourse.
Listening with an open mind, I've changed my mind about these issues. And one immediate benefit is that I'm not as fearful about the future as I was. Thank you both for this interview, and thank you Dr. Curry for your good work. Keep it up!
Am glad it helped you with that. I was explained to about these coming deceptions with both ozone and climate back in 1989 by a very brilliant, but comely man. Who had connections high up in the Masonic society. It was while I was in refrigeration school so the ozone aspect was a thing to learn about. The ozone levels change during every solar cycle. As we go into solar maximum for each cycle the levels of ozone goes down and then it goes back up during the minimum of the cycle.
Always remember politicians use Fear because it’s easier to control people.. Fear, Safety, Dualistic thinking.. Read up on Edward Bernay’s “ father of Propaganda “ … they have used and perfected techniques for a hundred years Corporations use this marketing method; also look into NLP programming upper management are sent to these types of classes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh wait... you were being serious... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@minibrownliger what are you laughing about from what I've seen the climate lobby is putting millions of people into poverty and holding back the changes away from fossil fuels through apocalyptic predictions that are unlikely to take place any time soon. if the had just left us alone the we would be moving to we would be moving to change away from fossil fuels without this fuel shortage we will be facing soon with the reduction of oil exploration. All they have done is slow down the change as people are worry about food on the table not with changing the amount of CO2 they expel. Gas has become more expensive people have changed to wood and coal, we done.
@@matthat8125 original comment described curry as intellectually honest. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. It's right up there with Caitlyn Jenner is a beautiful woman. Hell, this might be worse.
Reminds a bit of what happened during the covid pandemic, scientists clubbed together around dodgy modelling, shamed anyone who disagreed, and scared the shit out of everyone whilst trashing the economy/ ruining people's lives
I still tell peopl and i had basic statistics in the university of Psychology. If i did what google and jornalists did gadering the data straight from the hospital deaths straight into the news outlets and daily cumulative counting graphs, that were updated by the hour, WITHOUT double checking if you are not collecting the wrong data, wich can take from weeks TO YEARS to depending on the study, i would receive and F and still be ridiculed in front of the class for not paying attention to this very basic step.
Two incredibly brave people, who remain unafraid to speak their beliefs, regardless of the personal cost. We need more Dr. Currys and Dr. Petersons in the world.
Impressive articulation of speech. Moses needed Erin. The return of the King comes after the false saviour. Schwab,/Gates/NWO, USA, Putin, Pope, Japan, King Charles, Non-Masionic Jews/Islam.
Awhile ago I repented to God then begged for help, "I was until then an Atheist." I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I held him was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of Love every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life, forever. I've had other experiences since, "Several witnessed", one was seeing a bright orb of light pass across my face in the dark, hours before a major surgery the second I gave up in my heart. Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they Love us. Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you Love them. Always have hope, I believe that prayer, following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, becoming humble, merciful, welcoming, giving, and forgiving, To All.
I have just released a film called The Green Man & The Dragon in Eden which does just that, largely exploring the topic being discussed here, I believe you may enjoy it. It is at the top of my channel page. Faithfully, JPW.
Can you imagine, for one moment, what our world would be like if we could all have respectful discussion such as this one? I have been enlightened and humbled by watching this exchange between two exceptional minds. Thank you. 1:10:20
Its amazing how humans havnt been able to evolve beyond solving our differences by picking up the nearest rock to beat each other with or just nuke each other❤🇿🇦😌
True and keep in mind regardless of who is speaking that - Models are not reality Data is not truth Numbers don’t represent facts They may but in and if themselves are just something someone put together…a creation of sorts.
You can say that again! I'm sick and tired of people excusing socially inappropriate reactions when encountering a differing or opposing opinion. Calm down, Gladys-es! You can barely write your names to act like a moral authority policing what everyone is saying. I swear all these people have only helped making words like conspiracy theorist, racist, bigot, etc lose their meaning.
Can you imagine if people did what they claimed they do? What if people who say "you can't trust politicians" mistrusted politicians even when they're on their side? What if people who complain about the corrupting influence of money in science were actually skeptical when scientists made huge claims? What if those virulently opposed to bullying stood up to it even when their side committed it?
0:25: 🌍 The speaker criticizes the developed world for urging developing countries to cut carbon emissions without providing support for their economic development. 9:55: 🌍 The speaker criticizes the behavior of scientists in the climate change debate and emphasizes the importance of uncertainty in scientific research. 18:43: 🌍 The uncertainty in climate models and the lack of understanding of ocean circulation and solar forcing are major sources of uncertainty in climate projections. 28:16: 🌍 There are uncertainties in climate models and factors like ultraviolet, stratosphere, cosmic rays, and magnetic fields are not factored in. 37:27: 💼 X provides a broader range of climate scenarios by considering natural variability and low-end climate sensitivity values, which is of interest to insurance companies, financial institutions, wind farm owners, and electric utilities. 46:32: 🌍 The policy response to climate change has been driven by political motivations rather than scientific evidence. 56:08: 🌍 The speaker discusses their involvement in the climate change debate and the controversy surrounding the hockey stick graph. 1:05:01: 🌍 The interview discusses the issue of hiding the decline in the paleo-climate record, the labeling of the interviewee as a denier, and the importance of understanding uncertainties in climate science .1:14:20: 🌍 The speaker argues that the impact of fossil fuel warming on weather and climate is negligible and that urgent emissions reduction would harm the economy and make vulnerable populations more at risk. 1:22:51: 🌍 The conversation discusses the negative impact of climate change policies on developing countries and the prioritization of mitigation over economic development. 1:31:39: 🌍 The speaker discusses the tendency to attribute all problems to climate change, which simplifies complex issues and allows individuals to present themselves as morally concerned. Recap by Tammy AI
"The speaker argues that the impact of fossil fuel warming on weather and climate is negligible and that urgent emissions reduction would harm the economy and make vulnerable populations more at risk." That sums up her opinion. Economy before climate. That's a stupid bet.
"The policy response to climate change has been driven by political motivations rather than scientific evidence." Did they prove that ? I noticed that people attacking IPCC say the models are wrong, spread doubt over climate change, but never demonstrate what they assert.
Thanks for this recap. You should know already that the IPCC has been fighting for the Loss and Damage fund for years, with developed nations promising funding and then not paying up.
I remember seeing Dr. Judith Curry on CorbettReport in 2017 - very happy to see she is getting the attention she deserves now. Keep up the good work Dr. Peterson!
This is candidly the best climate podcast I’ve seen so far. Bravo. You each make excellent points on what’s likely to happen and what isn’t, and to what degree we should be concerned about which scenarios. Speaking of Lomborg, I reckon you should invite him to do a four-way podcast between you two, him and Michael Shellenberger; you’d all make pertinent points on how people should see climate change the topic and what policymakers should do in which parts of the world and how. You could call it “Manageable Climate/Environmental Proposals - How to Help as Many People as possible with the best solutions for the Lowest Cost”.
Tom Nelson's channel is an excellent source of regular climate podcasts with the likes of Judith Curry. He has 186 interviews in his playlist plus more playlists from other channels. You might find some similarly interesting if you've not already discovered his channel.
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen more gratitude or positivity in a comment section. As if I’m not moved and edified enough by Peterson and his guests! It’s refreshing to know that the pursuit of understanding and truth is taken up by so many awesome people. Keep holdin it down and enlighten your hearts, minds, and spirits day in and day out!!! 💪🏼
@@mehrangerami187 This is hardly the truth! She didn't even speculate as to what's causing warming if it isn't GHGs. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it in science.
Im just an ordinary southafrican,its so heart warming to get so much knowledge from real people like these two and its free.theres no excuses for ignorance at all❤🇿🇦
@@Gladescat Does she really have to? The Earth was warming way before we started burning fossil fuels. There are many cycles on Earth and outside Earth’s atmosphere that contribute to cyclical warming/cooling trends. Yes, increasing greenhouse gases can and probably do contribute to warming but there are many environmental buffers that are not well represented in climate models as discussed.
@@stevewilson4321 Care to elaborate a bit please? Because what I see is that the "scientific community" votes and decides what goes on and when they don't get it right, they just shift the goalposts. And they're so ardent in their "science" that they don't have trouble quashing some contrarian voices to oblivion; totally insecure if you ask me.
@@ΘάνοςΔιαμαντόπουλος-π4τ Well last time I looked at the history of SCIENCE I didnt see a VOTE on anything... Science is consensus not a democracy. When its not right its corrected and made closer to truth... How terrible is that? I noticed you failed to address any issue in science using FACTS... Just because YOU dont like what science says thats not a reason to attack it... Its a chance for YOU to evaluate yourself... Of course you rather find some excuse to ignore it...
@@stevewilson4321 When science claims authority but stands corrected, it's disastrous. Like drugs, tobacco in the beginning of the century, glyphosate, DDT and the opiod epidemic the USA is suffering right now, since "scientific" pharmaceutical companies said that "it's settled science" that opiods don't cause addiction etc. I never tackled the subjects, and what JP and Lomborg discuss is how to deal better with an ever changing environment, not if something is happening in the mind of Al Gore and the other delusional doomsayers. Also, don't be such a person; stop projecting and virtue signaling. It's unnecessary.
This just magnifies the void of critical thinking and having an elevated discussion on the topic. It's a long episode but well worth your time to watch or listen to.
This is what we need, sincere talking, straightforward with no need for drama, just facts, data in a very human conversation, she corrects you in the beginning and from there humbly you ask to be corrected when you say your understanding on her area of expertise and she kindly did. The best of all is that we all learn with you. Thank you so much for this ver educated and educating conversation / explanation of her points of view. Looking forward for more pure knowledge and understanding on this way.
What also deserves attention is the fact that her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is. (By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
@@chrsl3 yeah that makes absolutely sense. We all remember during 2018-2021, all scientists suddenly denied the existence of man-made climate change when the trump administration took office... Oh that wasn’t the case? They continued their work for decades no matter who was in charge of the country? That basically sounds like they would work for science and not for anyone else. But yeah, believing someone who changed their views completely after receiving money from companies who need to spread public scepticism to make billions, that makes much more sense. In the end we can’t even blame her, we all do morally wrong things for huge amount of money, I guess 95% of us are just as corrupt as she is.
This woman is pure class - I am going to put a picture of her up on my daughters wall!! She has even managed to direct a conversation with JP and may even have spoken more. A rare achievement!
@jameschapman2720 oh I didn't mean at all that in like a sharp or rude way, I meant her comment was made me smile in a laughing kind of way. JP is a hell of a talker, so for anyone to take steal the stage from him is kinda funny 😅 I can see how you read it like that though, especially these days
@@nellanellaperched6767 Thanks, you're one of the most respectful people i've ever come across in any comment section. Bless you. yes, it is easy to misinterpret things in such highly charged times politically. Regards from NZ.
Here’s a mistake JP made. Curry said that a 30-year cooling period is quite possible in this century. JP took that to mean in the NEXT 30 years. (I want to get this correction on the record.)
I can't believe this is happening, i' a Peterson fan since C-16 (Canadian "hate speech law" ) and i follow Curry since 2019... I'm so happy see these two having a conversation together.
According to Brenda Cossman, a professor of law at the University of Toronto, Peterson is “fundamentally mischaracterizing” Bill C-16. “I don’t know if he’s misunderstanding it, but he’s mischaracterizing it,” Cossman says. (Brenda Cossman spoke to Torontoist about this, but you can find what else she’s said on the issue here.) Cossman says it seems Peterson is trying to argue that the misuse of pronouns could constitute hate speech. “I don’t think there’s any legal expert that would say that [this] would meet the threshold for hate speech in Canada,” she says. Our courts have a very high threshold for what kind of comments actually constitutes hate speech, and the nature of speech would have to be much more extreme than simply pronoun misuse, according to Cossman. “The misuse of pronouns is not equivalent to advocating genocide in any conceivable manner,” she continues. “If he advocated genocide against trans people, he would be in violation, but misusing pronouns is not what that provision of the code is about.” Cossman, who has participated in a debate with Peterson, takes issue with the way he uses the language to describe what could happen if he was found in violation of the Ontario Human Rights Code. “If he was found guilty by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal, he would have been doing something illegal but not criminal,” Cossman says. In other words, he wouldn’t go to jail. Jail is only a punishment for committing a criminal offence-a violation of the Criminal Code. If Peterson was found to be in violation of the code, there are different possible remedies. He could be ordered to pay money, he could be ordered to correct the behaviour, he could be ordered to go to training, etc.
Standing by her believes? That’s quite funny. her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is. (By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
Beliefs belong at the end of that string, and better phrased as opinions, IMO. Arriving at conclusions that solidify as rational convictions through the scientific method of investigation is a far cry from believing we're doomed because you're having nightmares after watching a scary youtube video with flashy animations of continents being inundated. But that's just where we are. So important for us all to be able to discuss this stuff rationally and calmly in the face of naive emotional sensationalism. I agree that's she's pretty solid. Zero hyperbole and not a hint of contrarianism.
@@amarissimus29 her contradictions lay in her scientific research back then, and her statements before receiving fossil fuel funding. For decades she said man-made climate change poses huge threats for humanity and the planet. She has not published a single (!) scientific paper since she changed her views to prove her own statements and facts wrong. You can make everything sound believable if you don’t go to the scientific level. The fact that billions of people believe in one of the 6000 gods proves that quiet well. Most of her claims contradict her own scientific research of decades. But for some reason you’re leaving that out. And for some reason she never scientifically proved them to be wrong.
This man is a Brilliant Intellectual and should Always be Allowed to Speak. 💯☮️❤️✝️ It is ridiculous that he has enemies. For what reason could you dislike or disagree with the Facts? Stand together brothers and sisters. It is the Only way to survive these dark times. ✌🏻
I have been doing a deep Bible study in the book of Revelation. I have deduced we are in the tribulation and the Anti-Christ is about to reveal himself. The reason I claim that the tribulation has been going on is prophecy is being filled at a rapid pace. What caught my attention a few years back was when men called good evil, and evil good and I discovered the Euphrates River has dried up which is also sign the end is near along with a couple hundred little signs shown to me by the Holy Spirit. Repent often and stay true in your faith and be obedient to your Maker. Yahweh bless you and keep you in His mercy and peace.
Listening to Dr. Curry; I find her fascinating. She is a phenomenally knowledgeable thinker. She makes me think back to my college days - 40 years ago - professors like her I fell in love with. I love learning and she is the kind of person that makes you learn when you listen to her.
People forget that we are a part of a solar system with cycles. Our Sun currently in the grand solar minimum which produces solar flares and CMEs which can cripple our planet. The warming trend is universal and and not necessarily global.
@@DocMonkWarrior Yes indeed. The wind-speeds of the Venusian and Martian atmosphere also change inline with solar activity. Venus having no magnetosphere of its own has thus a hotter and denser atmosphere than Earth would have, if it was at the same distance from the Sun, inline with the true physics, because its atmosphere is receiving a greater share of solar particles. The models also ignore solar x-rays. To be pedantic, these should not even be called models as a ‘computer model’ is defined as algorithms that simulates something physical. These CMIP’s are just trying to match correlations with too few variables at too gross a resolution and as every scientist knows ‘correlation is no proof of causation’. James Hansen (who’s hypothetical nonsense about Venus started this all off) was also a NASA planetary scientist and one must question if he considered the promise of fame and fortune a fair price for his soul. At least Judas Iscariot repented. In the meantime, Earth continues to blindly follow physics rather than the IPCC.
I would love to see an interview (if it is not in planning phase yet), where some member(s) of the IPCC is interviewed, so they can defend their arguments, from someone who is really willing to opose them. Just in the name of science.
I've wanted to see this for a long time. One thing that's always made me uncomfortable about a lot of climate scientists has been statements like "the evidence is in and the debate is over." Nothing screams bullshit more than being unwilling to debate and defend a position. It's also just bad science.
I love listening to Judith Curry's truth in science and sound reasoning as much as I love to watch Steph Curry play basketball. They both are proven players by their honest performance and points
Thank you SO much for what you are doing. We know you are literally sacrificing your life here. Stay safe and may you be Protected and Blessed in all of your actions. We stand behind you with Love.
Dr Jordan, although I am coming from a different ideological spectrum, I admire your courage and your ethics, thank you so much for your work, you truly are very brave, thank you for standing up for humanity.
This podcast was amazing. Very cool to finally hear opposition views. We need dr. Curry on the Joe Rogan podcast - that will give her a new massive audience.
I don't understand why the world has not supported taking back the deserts. There are some citizen initiatives going on in China, South America and Africa but they need monetary support. What do trees do for this planet? What a world we could create if we only stopped listening to government funded activists and looked at our own communities and supported those communities who are making real change. Thank You for all that you do Jordan. Peace♥
Sorry but Brazil gov is all about laundering money with activist companies and they work with drug dealers, always swindling poor and illiterate populations to continue support. We are about a century behind everyone else with gov always being volatile and without any morals...
Dr Curry, I am amazed that you had the courage to not just jump into the climate apocalypse bandwagon. You would have been lauded as a champion and given money and fame to no end. Your honesty and courage is amazing.
Nothing destroyed here. Curry is well known for citing long debunked strawmen arguments one after another. That's all she does here. Sorry, no luck for you in here.
@voster77hh you wish! The marxist power grab is being shown for what it is. JC & JBP are being heard. You and your ilk will find yourselves relegated to the same place in history as the boy that cried wolf. Ashamed end embarrassed.
I was unaware of Dr. Curry before watching this, but it's totally clear that she is a quality scientist that really knows her stuff. Here's something we should all remember: no one is perfect. No person, no group, no organization, etc. And the whole point of having a diversity of minds in a culture is so that when someone makes an error, someone else will point it out. If you start taking the attitude that pointing out a mistake or shortcoming is an act of evil, you're got an entirely wrong mind set going on. Now, does that mean no one will ever try to use that as a tactic for trying to undermine others? No - it doesn't. There are all kinds of "bad players" in our culture on all sides of every issue. But, when someone does claim an error where there isn't one, someone ELSE will call that out. And so on - it's how the process is SUPPOSED to work. And to circle back to the start - no one is perfect. And that includes those concerned about the climate.
@@KipIngram I don't believe it's an issue of being perfect at all!!! The left literally focuses on a narrative, and then just fills in the gaps with outtakes, misquotes and exaggerations in order to make things appear the way that THEY want them to appear. They don't make mistakes. They lie!!! And then, they don't care! ~ and they want to silence you!!! Even with physical violence!~ to back their invalid points!!! (You did have some good points though.) Sorry about the bad sentence structure, but I just wanted to make my voice come through with my words. It probably didn't work, but it was worth a try anyway. lol :)
@@MDAdams72668 But they never get to put their point of view, unless they blindly follow the climate change zealots. The funding is only available if they agree to follow the flawed climate change narrative which is all the media is interested in forcing on us.
Somebody should publish a paper which shows the correlation between the level of grant money given to scientists versus the level of vitriol with which they reply to any dissension of their opinion😂😂
@Bob I would say that the biggest of big businesses, oil companies, are indeed the liars. During the 80s and 90s, Exxon scientists researched the effect of fossil fuel emissions on climate.They came to the same conclusions as NASA, the IPCC and most climate scientists. But Exxon hid their research from the public.
It saddens me to think the world is full of people who expect my kids to pay for your virtue signalkung. Peterson time has come to an end. He needs to stay in his lane and stfu about "we."
Great summary of the effect on the poor of the world at the one hour 24 minute mark through one hour 28 minute mark. Wonderful summary of this entire problem.
This is, and has been since I can remember, a very hot-button issue for me. I never bought into the claims that humans were destroying the world. I remember learning about this in school in the late 90’s early 2000’s and I could only roll my eyes. So, I appreciate this topic Jordan, please keep bringing these people on to dismantle the bogus narratives we’re so incessantly force-fed.
Even Exxon knew about climate change from fossil fuels in the 70s but hid the reports just like the tobacco industry. Keep ignorimg reality. Don't Look Up 😂
@@axelnova123 ... It's no more of a misrepresentation than the term "climate change" itself. Whatever happened to "anthropogenic global warming" (AGW)? I'll tell you. The weather didn't cooperate for 15 years following the 1998 El Nino and we keep having these long pauses of no warming. According to UAH data, there has been no warming for more then 7 years. The phrase, "climate change" is an appeal to ambiguity. It's equivocation the way they're using it.
While listening keep in mind that for decades working as a scientist she agreed that humans are the main cause of global warming. Once she started receiving funds from the fossil fuel industry through her private company and generate massive income from them she change her views completely. Sadly, but for sure just by accident, both forgot to mention that. All 3 of Peterson’s last so called experts on this topic receive massive findings from the fossil fuel companies. Quite interesting, isn’t it, how views can change once money plays a role.
Who comments on things he has no expertise in. Dangerous, like other experts who think they can comment on anything, and as long as he voices opinions that fit the alt rights narrative he'll make a lot of money I guess. What shocks me about him is is lack of empathy or respect for other people's views- exactly the opposite of what I think a good psychologist should be like
@Mark Girvan what shocks me is a left winger will always trash a conservative. Both sides make great points and instead of trying to trash each other just work together. 🙄
@@markgirvan5980 the experts use they feelings, she says that! Dr Peterson uses facts!! Experts should not use feelings!!! Great job dr Peterson!!! Using facts!!! Not just feelings
It's worthy of note that when actual scientists talk about complex subjects like climate they never say the things that journalists and politicians are always telling us they say.
@@mrunning10 I think you may have missed the point - whic is that it NEVER happens. It never happens because no qualified scientist today believes there is any "climate crisis", current or impending, so they will not say it. Journalists and politicians, who know nothing of science will continue to parrot this vapid tautology in yet another example of humans' propensity toward mass hysteria. It is today's witch hunt, today's satanist scare, today's commie scare, and the fact that millions of uninformed people feel it is the defining crisis of our time offers precisely nothing in defense of this unscientific fashion trend.
Its true, politicians and journalists are trying to invoke fear and other emotions. That is part of their job, scientists have a fundamental pledge to being unbias and working towards the truth and nothing else.
@@vee_grave Because they never look at them, let alone, READ them. Nor could they understand them. What's your point? Congressmen listen to the fossil fuel lobbies and their BILLION dollar influence peddling.
Jordan is wise to let her correct him. It's obvious he has done a lot of research, but she does this for a living. Jordan does an awesome job of asking questions.
Gosh, her laugh is perfect. She presents a very buttoned up, straight talk, refined type of persona, and then this laugh just adds the right amount of texture. Well done, Judith! Oh, and yes, climate change has been so weaponized that I can't even imagine bringing up the topic with my mainstream friends. They would simply laugh me out of the room.
“can't even imagine bringing up the topic with my mainstream friends. They would simply laugh me out of the room.” Or worse - ask you to support yr claim. And then - after you said ‘cause a lady w/a nice laugh said so' - laugh you outa the room.
So, it's more about their demeanor and not about the science. Gotcha. Frankly, it's been weaponized by the very companies that know climate change is real and are threatened by the fact that their product is a GHG when oxidized. Heck, Exxon scientists even discovered it.
Gold standard? From a clinical psychologist with no climate science training? From Judith Curry, who has been roundly debunked in the scientific literature?
@@materioverda1655 The scientific literature that's been peer-reviewed in credible scientific journals. TEN separate studies confirm the scientfic consensus on climate change, by the way. TEN. 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings. The latest IPCC report cites over 13,500 studies, which were conducted by over 39000 scientists from over 2500 scientific institutions around the world. Before blindly believing a clinical psychologist with no training and a climate scientist who the data refutes (among other things Curry claimed global warming had permanently stopped in six different years from the 90s through the early 2000s and was wrong each time), read up on the science. Cornell University last year audited the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and found a 99.9% consensus that human activity is driving global warming. If 99.9% of bridge engineers warn me not to cross a rickety, dangerous bridge, I'm not going to put much stock in the 0.1% who disagree, especially when some of them work as bridge toll collectors.
What also deserves attention is the fact that her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is. (By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
@@truthmatterstoday I changed my mind on solar after I learned of its short-comings. Michael Shellenberger did the same. Even though we wanted solar very much to be the solution. Especially me, living in the Mojave Desert trying to support my family's electrical contractor business. Dr. Curry saw the common-sense of it and the intent of globalists to leverage anything that will give them more control.
@@randellhynes those are discussions we can always have. And those are openly held in many countries. Nothing wrong with arguing about the right way to fight man-made climate change. Absolutely necessary actually.
Good afternoon Sir from the UK 🇬🇧 I really wish you well in delivering these messages, opening peoples minds & getting people to question the dogma & re employ common sense. Your audience is growing 👌👏👍 I pray it continues 🙏🙏🙏
Hello from the states! He mentioned on the last Joe rogan podcast that he is assembling a large team of experts, politicians to help tell the right story. I believe climate amongst other things are going to be included. Stay tuned!!
@@watching-the-watchers55 ... Yes there are, but humans are only an insignificant component. There is no "climate crisis". Nothing that's taking place presently is particularly unique.
@@rudigereichler4112 Wrong. It is the conclusions of a very large number of scientists who have used the scientific method to get progressively closer to the truth.
Very impressive discussion on the ‘climate change’ debate. This should be compulsory viewing for all the Extinction Rebellion goons stopping people from getting to work and hospital appointments etc.
This interview needs to be everywhere! This is a thoughtful educational video & I hope this gets noticed more...those who wish to become rich on the backs of others will use whatever means are at hand to keep the impoverished poor and use our climate to justify putting down those poorer nations who are trying to develop into being sustainable & positively growing countries
pseudoscience. of course is a big issue to find a way to make undeveloped nations rise up without emissions and it is a little bit patronizing but the science it's pretty clear. co2 emissions are the main cause of global warming. if 99% of scientist agrees on the subject reliability of this is the truth is quite high. if a scientist can prove that everybody is wrong would win the Nobel prize
One of the important points I had never heard before is that there was an effort to go after the oil companies even before any substantial study about carbon emissions effects on climate. Is there more info that discusses the history of this animosity and the reasons behind it?
Total BS, Michael. Even Exxon's own scientists in leaked memos acknowledge that combusted fossil fuels are warming the planet. They even accurately predicted our rate of warming.
Water vapor is the #1 Greenhouse gas. It does 3/4s of the heating according to GHG theory. If you can believe the theory. If the theory is correct water vapor alone will destroy the planet. There is on average 50 times as much water vapor in the atmosphere as CO2.
Do it. It's a fascinating subject, but one where you'll be subjected to the same punishments as Dr Curry was, if you dare to question the consensus. I admire Dr Curry because around the time of ClimateGate, she actually engaged with sceptics, and came to the conclusion that we may have some valid points. Also resulted in some fascinating conversations about how to correctly (rather than deceptively) indicate uncertainty. It was also a pretty bold move to leave academia and go into business. If she's wrong, she doesn't get paid. If climate 'scientists' are wrong, they've got tenure, so who cares? And their trips to jollys like COP are fully expensed.
I loved it when she mentioned the Sun and Ocean. Solar forcing and Grand Solar Minimums are powerful. The Thames river hasn't had ice in it since 63 (half an inch)but in the Maunder Minimum(1645-1720) the ice was so thick they had "Frost fairs" horses pulled the booths. For ice to hold 1500lbs it's got to be over 6 inches thick. If you add to that a major volcano. Can you imagine if the temp in Europe went that cold next winter?
She's basically a charlatan "Curry's position on climate change was much criticized by climate scientists,[17][15] and she became known as a contrarian scientist.[3][22][23] A 2013 Media Matters for America study found that Curry was among the "climate doubters" most frequently quoted by the press as spreading public doubts about climate science. Going against the vast majority view of climate scientists, she had suggested to newspapers that most of the recent global warming was not human-caused, and had hinted that IPCC scientists are motivated by "funding" even though they are not paid for their contributions.[24] "
I really enjoyed this guest. I learned a lot from her. I also think it was fun to see the professional and honest way Jordan responds to an expert who is correcting him like an adult, instead of accusing him of something.
Jordan B. Peterson is on the take from the fossil fuel industry. This is the fifth climate change denial clown he's interviewed recently. Judith Curry is on Fred Singer's 2015 email chain list, along with other disgraced fossil fuel shills and unqualified bloggers such as Tony Heller, Willie Soon, Anthony Watts, P Gosselin, Christopher Monckton, James Delingpole and Marc Morano.
Judith is a true scientist. It is Admirable her faithfulness to rigorous scientific analysis results even when these opposses that of main stream researchers.
What also deserves attention is the fact that her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is. (By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.) quite interesting how her views changed completely once she received massive amounts of money from such companies, isn’t it
@@truthmatterstoday y you afraid of the boogie man.? Grow up worry and focus about your life and relations with people i your life. Set acheviable goals and achieve them. Gl Hf
@@truthmatterstoday similar suspicion raises that absurd goal of the climate science community "to work on consensus". Perhaps this lead to develop the graph Judith described its data of increasing world temperatures had sky rocketed? It seems to me that the models are still incomplete thus not useful to predict future climate stable patterns that can validate any strict restrictive new law both for producers as well well as for consumers. Yet if we care about possible catastrophes caused by the oil industry we should demand goverments to stablished though norms, regulations and laws to prevent spills as well as to set VERY high fines if damage to ecosystems happen. In addition we, common people should take action by consuming less "commodities" which are not necessary, use less the car, eat less meat and raise less children - as the Swedes suggested years ago as a formula to reduce stress to our bioesphere.
"I never bought the Gore climate agenda" It isn't the "Gore climate agenda": American scientists have been warning the public about man-made global warming since 1957. LBJ was briefed on the threat of this in the mid-60's. Dr. Hansen briefed Congress on why this was a threat in the late 1980s. IN reality, there are 14 different climate models that have quite accurately predicted how much our emissions would warm the planet, and so of them are more than 20-40+ years. Also, man-made global warming is already causing hundreds of harmful effects for people and the planet, and things will just get worse and more and more expensive the longer we delay taking action to fix this. And we're not just talking about it being a little warmer: Rapid man-made global warming and ocean acidification, if kept up too long, causes ecosystems and the societies that depend on them to unravel. Take care.
@@chrsl3 In regard to the things they've said about the climate in the past, Lindzen in particular. One thing that the deniers, and I use that term advisedly, just cannot get past is the fact that the mainstream predictions for the emissions scenarios which have eventuated have been rather accurate. The deniers keep having to change their angles of attack. Curry is as disingenuous as the rest. She claims that the models can't explain the slight cooling trend from the 40's to the 70's, when the models show exactly that. The trend is so miniscule and within the error range that you can't even say it is real, but Curry pretends the models don't account for it when they do. She plays fast and loose with data, cherry picking away. When it's convenient El NIna and La Nina events are cited as factors but downplayed when not convenient. She makes dubious claim after claim as all deniers do. She has used the standard "warming stopped in XXXX" trope, which is an untruth and any climate scientist knows that using a year when a natural temp forcing is in significant effect as the start of your range is dishonest. If Peterson is really willing to live by the ethos of willingness to entertain error then he would give a platform to some of the vast majority of scientists who accept the "narrative" because the evidence overwhelmingly leads that way. What would be the use of the "consensus" taking fringe views into account when those views contradict the overwhelming body of evidence? The most glaringly obvious reason why self-styled "skeptics" and contrarians give credence to the fringe is that they find the majority conclusion unpalatable. Most of the usual suspects of climate contrarianism are know to have religious motivations, ideological/economic motivations or a love of notoriety and money. TBH Peterson is becoming ever more arrogant and self-important, sternly lecturing society on things he knows nothing about. He should stick to psychology (without the Jungian cr*p) because he seems to have something useful to say there.
Appreciate the content JP, the World needs to hear all sides of an argument. The fact that people are shamed and shunned for wanting to hear both sides of the debate is scary. I believe Climate Change exists but I am skeptical to the doom and gloom narratives.
Great to hear from Dr Curry with a fascinating review of this matter. JP is well briefed on the topic, but is much too keen to get his own opinions across. When he has an expert guest, he should (IMO) try, as briefly as possible, to find out what she thinks and make his own speeches to challenge her only where he disagrees or needs elucidation. I found his long-winded expositions, followed by her challenge/ correction, doesn't make it easy to follow her position. I'd recommend his listening to Freddie Sayers on Unherd. At the end of one of his interviews I think that I know scarcely anything about what Freddie thinks, but a lot more about what the interviewee thinks.
I agree with you, this approach interrupts her thread of thoughts and explanation. The best is to listen to Dr. Curry is to go to her lectures, and other interviews.
Dr. JP cuts her off too many times, though he has some methodology, this kind of scientist should have more freedom to speak without being interrupted.
Except for the Pacific Ocean island-nations, and the western US, or Florida, or Louisiana, or Pakistan, or India, or Bangladesh, or Central America, or...
But that's the thing, people don't become this critical if the world is save. As she states herself, after her publication that coincided with the aftermath of Katrina, only then did she become aware of the complexity of fields touching hers and how she needs to be well versed in those fields in order to truly start to understand it. The key now is to recognize that some are able to stay on course and many that are put in places of power are just there because of their ego and our own laziness. We put them there. And being aware of that, you start to understand there is a necessity for checks and balances. Because there are so many more that are not easily shaken by outside influences. Or at least to the point where their world view shifts. Simply because they can recover from the pain of feeling judged and are able to let their need to understand prevail. But also that it's ok to say you don't know and you need more time or input and how expert answers should never come from one individual speaker. And more dynamics. But my point is, without corruption, there will be no countering force.
@@mrsrr that would be impossible to get the whole of humanity to even try to . I use Xbox live as an example, all the player log on to play the same game every day all they have to do is follow a couple of rules and play their game but with in 1 min in the loading screen all hell breaks loose. Then you see humans are to f-ed up to play even the simplest of games without it turning into a verbal war , people even being racist just based off of the sound of people's voice. Sure it's a game but it applies to how every devolves into a selfish tribal tyrant . It's a harsh reality . I hate it, but even me, an optimist can't see around this flaw.
@@Gladescat The island nations received approx 50 million from the UN to purchase land from another highland island, don't remember which. Well? Those people, as of last year, didn't move there yet. That money is no longer to be found. BTW, those island people have the time if the water level rises to move, because water takes time to rise.
I haven’t watched your videos in a very very long time. Thank you for saving my life from a very self destructive life. And it’s great to see you talking about new and vastly different topics.
I love Judith Curry! I saw her speak at a conference a long time ago and she was the only person I'd ever see talk about the other side of the climate debate, other than alarmism I mean. She expressed a reasonable skepticism of the alarmism, basically.
99.9% of climatologists disagree with her. So I'm extremely sceptical about her scepticism. Basically if you are not a climatologist (I'm not, nor is Peterson) then deciding to believe the 0.01% is not arrived at through reason but desire for something not to be true. Human. But not reasonable or intellectually defensible.
What does she propose ? Keep on with fossil fuels, polluting our cities and releasing billions of tons of CO2 in the atmosphere, where it stays for centuries, aggravating the warming for distant generations. Does it seem reasonable to you ? The Paris agreement is not alarmist. It's prudent and responsible. Then we can find solutions for the poorest countries. This lady uses twisted arguments.
@@jamie395Your assumption that most of the scientists don’t agree with her, it’s false. One thing for sure it’s the politics and dark interests against truthful and honest scientists. There are many other scientists who are with her.
Loving these climate discussions showcasing true intellects such as Lindzen and Curry. Judith cleverly highlights the moral reality of holding back undeveloped countries only prevents a potential meager 6% increase to emissions. That is a hard pill to swallow for any rational compassionate person, which is probably why it's never talked about. Great work Jordan!
You do understand that close to equator countries have largely decoupled their economic growth due to solar power being the cheapest energy source on Earth? No, you didn't? This unscientific and fact-free garble isn't intellectual worthy at all. Curry is well known for citing long debunked strawmen arguments one after another. Compassion with whom? People starving due to decades of drought through changed rainfall patterns and leted glaciers? Ever taken a close look at a map of the Earth? Or a night sattelite image of Earth where human being do live? It's totally lunatic and misguides to belive that a "few degrees" would change nothing dramatic to the low lying rainfall pattern dependent alluvial floodlands 90% of humans live on. For the last decade crop yields suffered dramatically from drought in all major agricultural regions.
@@voster77hh well duh! You mean to tell me that being closer to the sun makes solar energy more affordable and reliable? I guess any thinking person would agree that that huge flaming ball in the sky is pretty much 100% in charge when it comes to how warm our planet is going to be. Ever notice how life flourishes when the planet is warm and dies when it cools off?
JP is a great interviewer, I enjoy him in this role. Is knowledgeable on the topics, allicits great info from well placed questions, gives the floor to guest without improper interruption.
I can honestly say this is the very first one of your interviews I’ve actually stuck to for the entirety of the discussion and it was extremely refreshing to see intelligent people discussing the farce that is climate change. Very well conducted and, at least in my opinion, amusing and intriguing.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 You’re literally commenting on a video that gives you the very proof you’re looking for… Plus; there are 50+ YEARS of predictions and apocalyptic, fear mongering warning of doom and gloom that have NEVER come anywhere close to manifesting. And as if that weren’t enough proof. The ONLY response to the “climate crisis” is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS. “Give us more and more money and that will fix the problem” and miraculously. It only ever gets worse so they can continue to tax you more.
@@brandoncrimmins6296 No consensus of climate scientists have ever warned of the end of the world with climate change. You're scoffing at your own hyperbole, Brandon. Crackpot scientists and outlier scientsts say ridiculous things all the time. But they aren't a consensus of mainstream scientists. TEN separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. TEN. I'd be happy to name them for you so you can look them up on Google Scholar and read them for yourself. In the latest study, Cornell University audited the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020. Result? A 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is warming the planet. It's the highest consensus yet. 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings. In the latest IPCC report, over 13,500 studies were cited, with contributions from 39000 different scientists from over 2500 different scientific institutions and universities. By contrast, the video you watched features a clinical psychologist with ZERO climate science training, and Judith Curry, who has been roundly debunked in the scientific literature.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 I admit it's not the scientists that concern me -- rather more the activists and the politicians that the activists fund. I am for providing more research funding into energy sources and energy; you won't find many who advocate more for building new fission plants than myself. I agree very strongly with James Hansen on this particular issue.
@@gilian2587 My advice is to ignore all celebrities, activists, politicians and loudmouths and pay attention only to what the consensus of climate scientists are saying. Not crackpots. Not outliers. Not lone wolves. A CONSENSUS of climate scientists.
Now here is a woman demonstrating to the world the value of 'Equality of Gender' She epitomisers Equal independence of thought, learning and freedom of expression as of right. She has done the work and proven herself a true scientist, unafraid of taking the honest stand on what has been observed in her various fields. All power to you Dr. Judith Curry and those valuable youngsters who hold you up as how they wish to conduct themselves in this challenging life.
@@beverleyyork8236 Please read my comment again, I say exactly what you are saying. My intention is to show we were all correct over the past 50 years to help this 'equality' become a reality. Trouble is today the non achievers 'expect' nay 'demand' an equal pay regardless of learning or skill ie. the word Equality has lost it 'spiritual intent and has been distorted to mean Sameness.
The problem is scientific research funding. Companies that pay researches to do research put pressure on the researches to deliver and prove certain things and researchers can lose funding if prove something else
This woman is very very very well versed. She isn’t just agreeing with Jordan. She prefers to correct him , and or add to what he says because she knows much more. And he lets her. Which means he’s open and a great interviewer. Bravo.
Isn’t she well paid by fossil fuel industry?
@@gd303uk I don't think so. Where do you get that?
@@gd303uk you mean they fund her research?
@@rodkeh you sound like a zealot who's religion is being criticized!
@@gd303uk She tells she does work for insurance companies and windmill parks. You can think of it what you want, but if such greedy companies are willing to her for her analysis you can be sure she puts out some sane stuff. Because these companies want to get something back for their money. Governments on the other hand don't give a fuck about the money of their tax payers.
I have long followed Dr Curry’s work on climate science and have missed her excellent commentary in recent years. She has long been at the pinnacle of rational thought on this important subject. Thank you Dr Petersen for a most invigorating discussion. I sincerely hope you will schedule follow-on with her.
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation.
One Edward to another lol
Yes please! And next time, Dear Dr Peterson, please let the woman speak! :-)
Why did Exxon hide its own science data it had from its successful climate models which are based on effects of CO2? Some say this news is evidence of malice, misinformation of fossil fuel indistry and so justifieing the man made climate change hysteria.
@@seanleith5312 Isn't this YT? Aren't you viewing it here?
Dr. Curry is also a very accessible and kind person who treats people with questions as intelligent adults. Great person.
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE IN TURKEY TO RAISE AWARENESS! Thousands of Turkish people are under buildings waiting for help in freezing weather due to one of the biggest earthquakes; the Government left people to death; please; I’m begging share this with your followers. People are not dying due to earthquakes but dying because of not adequate help (and because of that, the government hides the number of deaths); they are still alive, screaming for help under buildings, their relatives hear their screams, but no rescuer is there to help them :( Anyone who Googles it and reads it 5 min can understand our desperation :(
(note: please share the ‘’ahbap’’ organization ( this is not a government organisation but public help organization))
I don't think much of the people who spend their lives in academia. they are brainwashed
If possible please repost parts or all of this video on all social medias you have access to. All need to know the truth. Thank you. 02/17/2023
Dr. Curry has taught us more about this subject in about an hour than we have learned from politicians and the media in the USA in at least 30 years.
And she didn't yell at us about The End is Near 😂. The end is always near, Mr. Anchorman, so tell me something optimistic that I can do.
Well: Politicians are not teachers, so you should NEVER listen to them to learn anything. They will lie, construte, mischaracterize what they want to lie, construte or mischaractize about. The only politicians that are a bit more trustworthy then your next door used car broker are politicians who never wanted to be politicians, like Donald Trump or Dwight D Eisenhower (the only reason he became president was to avoid that some shady politician would use the nuclear bomb to destroy the soviet union, which was a valid plan in the beginning of the 1950s!)
And sorry, media will also not explain you complex topics in a meaningful way. Journalists are trained to dumb down every topic to a point where its so one sided and wrong, that you could also just believe the next crackhead on the street
Well... politicians will be... politicians! Media just follows trends, and if fear is involved, the better. Media will be media.
The planet has heated and had ice ages. It has done it 7 times over thousands of years. The time for another change is overdue. Just because we are here doesn’t mean the planet will not continue its cycles just because we are here. It never ends well for anyone that tries to go against the plans God has. 🙏🏻. Plus none of these “experts” really know what will happen…all they can do is guess. I will stand with Jesus, the One Savior that knows how this ends.
@@marykirby9434"Good luck with that!", as JBP would phrase it.
The reasons Dr. Curry left academia are the same reasons I left immediately after earning my PhD in atmospheric sciences. I ran models as projections for past years and compared to multiple reanalyses. My dissertation showed that climate models produce extreme solutions in whichever direction they go. I figured as a newly minted PhD, I'd be welcome nowhere with that as my conclusion.
I can't like this video enough.
Is there a way to read your work? It sounds interesting.
Our of curiosity, what did you do once you decided to not use your education?
@@criticalcommenter
You might be thinking of brainwashing. The climate change nonsense is turning my country into an unaffordable mess. She speaks the truth. You can fix your model to come out anyway you wish. Consensus is not science.
Please, the world needs people like you, don’t ever give up.
@@angelagonimavalero7700 thank you
This is what a strong woman looks like. What a beautiful thing it is seeing a strong man and woman having a deep and productive conversation as equals.
Beautiful lady
Follow the money. Fossil fuel subsidies were $5.9 trillion in 2020 or about 6.8 percent of global GDP. Source: Parry et al. (2021) "Still Not Getting Energy Prices Right: A Global and Country Update of Fossil Fuel Subsidies"
@@garysarela4431 IMF shills, cooked data, bogus analysis, all adds up to BS.
@@garysarela4431 There's more money promoting climate, and it's rooted back into the 80's from the west hating UN.
This is what stupidity, incompetence and denialism look like, is much more accurate.
Judith Curry was the first person I found on the internet when I went looking for contrarian scientists a few years ago. The reason I went looking for contrarian scientists was because my own little data set saw no impact of climate change. And I began to doubt the narrative and the so called science of climate change. Thanks Dr Curry!
Since 2010, i begin to doubt because i discuss with people who had made their homework. Then i was sceptic about the fact that we were using «low emission» for «green». Finally, myy own research in official canadian papers showed me that canadian climate has never been seriously studied, that we have no idea (canadian paper's are based on IPCC prediction and not on factual proxy) AND i saw by myself that some data had been «corrected».
I work 50 km away from home. In 10 years, around the highway, i saw the land being massively changed, a lot of parking lot, shopping mail, even small city's, . SO no evaporation from trees (no more trees), no albedo and massive heat accumulation during the days. So on that 50 km alone, where the temperature use to be 2,3, or 4 colder than the the closest city (MTL), it is often the same. But you go 10 km north and it is STILL colder, as before.
My point, whit these fact alone, you have «warming», but is it cause by CO2, i doubt it. Albedo is much more plausible (green trees VS black higway...)
Guess what, where there is an official meteo station, that uses to be surround by forests, the is now a suburb...
I was about 6 or 7 when that I can remember the first time I heard of the Climate Change Grift. It was called Global Warming at the time. Every decade or so, "Experts" would give the grift a new name. After several decades went by (I'm 50), and nothing really changed, I did a little digging. Humans Occupy roughly 5 percent of the earths surface. 5 PERCENT! They tell us that we produce to much co2. You know what needs co2 to grow? The Plants that provide us with oxygen. Guess what happens when there is no CO2?. They have convinced the masses, that the 5% of area that humans occupy on the Earths surface, can effect the earth's climate. LOL Humans have the same effect on the earth's climate, as a fart in a hurricane.
I was challenged to explore the "denier" side of the argument. I did and found Suspicious Observers YT. It's the Sun.
I found her in n Quora
You can’t imagine all the people there who called her attack
People with no scientific background at all
She was reported and blocked so many times she just left
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation.
Im glad I am alive at the same time as Dr.Peterson. You truly are one of the great minds of our time. May Christ walk with you all the days of your life
Thanks for your bravery Jordan. It's an inspiration to all of us to stand up for our beliefs, no matter the cost!
Not so much our “beliefs”, but rather standing up for empirical truth.
Dr. Jordan, your most recent talk on the JRE was fantastic. Thank you for continuing to speak the truth while so many others continue to be afraid to speak out.
Truth? Lol. He is a religious zealot bought by fossil fuel money to gaslight the not so bright, just like he does with religion. Lol
He finally took the sparring gloves off. Threatening his license was the last straw. Now Jordan is going raw.
Yes, I agree about his last chat with Joe on JRE.. Jordan was firing on all cylinders and I feel that he is actually continuing to improve even more. Joe just mostly sat and listened.. as would I.
Very very impressive and well done 👏
You're my hope, not for me, for my kids and grandkids.
Lets make Graphene with co2
Why do I love Jordan B Peterson? He's a shining light in the darkness. Brave and speaks truth. A modern Samuel Adams. Love this man.
Good Bot.
He is a shining light indeed.. He's the angel who brought light to the world and will shine the light on those who lie in government.
This is the main reason they want to shut him down or cancel him
He’s an example of what Teddy Roosevelt called The Man in the Arena.
What does beer have to do with this topic?
What makes you think hes speech is "truth" ?
Dr. Curry is a legend in climate realism. Some of us have been fighting this battle for decades now, and she’s been so great.
Don't you think the recent events, droughts, massive forest fires, flood elsewhere, tend to prove you wrong ?
I know, correlation is not causality, but prudence would be safer. And we are gaining 0,3°C by decade. Not much.
Just do the math for a century. I can't already use the upper level of my house in summer (South of France).
From June to September, we live in the dark. The winegrowers water the grape. Never seen. But water is rationed.
Judith Curry's position is political. I read her "Plan B", it's vague. She is out of her area of expertise, lists generalities and doesn't talk much about climate. In her introduction, I found this absolute stupidity :
"If climate models are to be believed, reducing emissions will do little to improve the 21st century climate, with effects only occurring in the 22nd century and beyond."
That shows she just didn't understand the fucking problem. We don't do that for us, but for the future generations.
You’ve been fighting this battle for decades? How old are you?
@@universalmonster4972 not everyone is a child, I remember the alarmism in late '70s over a potential ice age! Yes, some people have lived "many winters", National Geographic was huge success in 1970's, lots of environmental interest so.......... why do disbelieve someone saying they had an active interest in climate/environmental issues for decades?
Me too at 74, they, the scientists at the time, wanted to spray coal dust on the ice caps to warm the cooling weather. @@littlefishy6316
@@ofdrumsandchords Forest fires are not greater in size or frequency than they were 100 years ago. Drought is not increasing globally - the planet is greening. Hurricanes are not greater in size or frequency than they were 100 years ago either. Regional changes in weather patterns do not constitute a global climate emergency. The climate is always changing. Always has. And where on earth did you read 0.3 C per decade. That is patently false. According to HADCRUT4 (the longest standing global temperature record) we have gone up about 0.7 C since the 1940s (the period where mass production and rapid industrialization began) and about 0.5 C the 70 years prior to that.
Saying that Judith Curry is out of her area of expertise along with your idiotic lack of knowledge of even basic climate related data clearly shows you don't a have clue what you are talking about. Curry is a Professor Emeritus and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology and currently runs the Climate Forecast Applications Network, a climate-risk consulting company. She has published over 130 scientific peer-reviewed papers. If there was someone who was more of an expert on "the fucking problem" they would be hard to find.
I loved listening to Dr. Curry for years and was disappointed when she dropped out of public view. I am glad to see her again. She and Dr. Peterson are demonstrate the demeanor of scientists. Feelings have no place in science discourse.
Listening with an open mind, I've changed my mind about these issues. And one immediate benefit is that I'm not as fearful about the future as I was. Thank you both for this interview, and thank you Dr. Curry for your good work. Keep it up!
I'm more fearful of what the politicians will do than I am of what the climate will do.
Am glad it helped you with that. I was explained to about these coming deceptions with both ozone and climate back in 1989 by a very brilliant, but comely man. Who had connections high up in the Masonic society. It was while I was in refrigeration school so the ozone aspect was a thing to learn about. The ozone levels change during every solar cycle. As we go into solar maximum for each cycle the levels of ozone goes down and then it goes back up during the minimum of the cycle.
@@frankenz66 the masonics know their stuff, brilliant.
Always remember politicians use Fear because it’s easier to control people.. Fear, Safety, Dualistic thinking.. Read up on Edward Bernay’s “ father of Propaganda “ … they have used and perfected techniques for a hundred years Corporations use this marketing method; also look into NLP programming upper management are sent to these types of classes
@@katadam2186 "Those who would surrender essential freedom, for a little short term safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety" Ben Franklin.
I’ve been following her work for a long time. She’s a rare example of intellectual honesty in a field utterly corrupted by ideology and easy money
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Michael manning is a fraud and needs to be called out for it. Data fraud is a heinous crime in the world of science.
@@minibrownliger what are you laughing about from what I've seen the climate lobby is putting millions of people into poverty and holding back the changes away from fossil fuels through apocalyptic predictions that are unlikely to take place any time soon. if the had just left us alone the we would be moving to we would be moving to change away from fossil fuels without this fuel shortage we will be facing soon with the reduction of oil exploration. All they have done is slow down the change as people are worry about food on the table not with changing the amount of CO2 they expel. Gas has become more expensive people have changed to wood and coal, we done.
@@matthat8125 original comment described curry as intellectually honest. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. It's right up there with Caitlyn Jenner is a beautiful woman. Hell, this might be worse.
@@minibrownliger AND your credentials on this matter would be????? or, you just pray at the alter of Saint Greta...
Reminds a bit of what happened during the covid pandemic, scientists clubbed together around dodgy modelling, shamed anyone who disagreed, and scared the shit out of everyone whilst trashing the economy/ ruining people's lives
So in other words, you don't read the science, you just parrot conspiracy BS. Got it.
They were leaned in to produce the data to backup policy, just as with Covid
One and the same. I'm sure the only models being released are the ones that advance the desired agenda. Just like covid.
I still tell peopl and i had basic statistics in the university of Psychology. If i did what google and jornalists did gadering the data straight from the hospital deaths straight into the news outlets and daily cumulative counting graphs, that were updated by the hour, WITHOUT double checking if you are not collecting the wrong data, wich can take from weeks TO YEARS to depending on the study, i would receive and F and still be ridiculed in front of the class for not paying attention to this very basic step.
Two incredibly brave people, who remain unafraid to speak their beliefs, regardless of the personal cost. We need more Dr. Currys and Dr. Petersons in the world.
Impressive articulation of speech. Moses needed Erin. The return of the King comes after the false saviour. Schwab,/Gates/NWO, USA, Putin, Pope, Japan, King Charles, Non-Masionic Jews/Islam.
Awhile ago I repented to God then begged for help, "I was until then an Atheist."
I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I held him was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of Love every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life, forever.
I've had other experiences since, "Several witnessed", one was seeing a bright orb of light pass across my face in the dark, hours before a major surgery the second I gave up in my heart.
Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they Love us. Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you Love them.
Always have hope, I believe that prayer, following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, becoming humble, merciful, welcoming, giving, and forgiving, To All.
I have just released a film called The Green Man & The Dragon in Eden which does just that, largely exploring the topic being discussed here, I believe you may enjoy it. It is at the top of my channel page.
Faithfully,
JPW.
@@narsakucanada154 Jesus was Jewish, you need Judaism.
@@davidabulafia7145 Makes no sense.
Can you imagine, for one moment, what our world would be like if we could all have respectful discussion such as this one? I have been enlightened and humbled by watching this exchange between two exceptional minds. Thank you. 1:10:20
Its amazing how humans havnt been able to evolve beyond solving our differences by picking up the nearest rock to beat each other with or just nuke each other❤🇿🇦😌
IMO thats why they want to censor everything, everywhere.
True and keep in mind regardless of who is speaking that -
Models are not reality
Data is not truth
Numbers don’t represent facts
They may but in and if themselves are just something someone put together…a creation of sorts.
You can say that again! I'm sick and tired of people excusing socially inappropriate reactions when encountering a differing or opposing opinion. Calm down, Gladys-es! You can barely write your names to act like a moral authority policing what everyone is saying. I swear all these people have only helped making words like conspiracy theorist, racist, bigot, etc lose their meaning.
Can you imagine if people did what they claimed they do?
What if people who say "you can't trust politicians" mistrusted politicians even when they're on their side?
What if people who complain about the corrupting influence of money in science were actually skeptical when scientists made huge claims?
What if those virulently opposed to bullying stood up to it even when their side committed it?
Thank you for your Bravery coming on here Dr. Curry, you risk a lot by standing up for this cause
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0:25: 🌍 The speaker criticizes the developed world for urging developing countries to cut carbon emissions without providing support for their economic development.
9:55: 🌍 The speaker criticizes the behavior of scientists in the climate change debate and emphasizes the importance of uncertainty in scientific research.
18:43: 🌍 The uncertainty in climate models and the lack of understanding of ocean circulation and solar forcing are major sources of uncertainty in climate projections.
28:16: 🌍 There are uncertainties in climate models and factors like ultraviolet, stratosphere, cosmic rays, and magnetic fields are not factored in.
37:27: 💼 X provides a broader range of climate scenarios by considering natural variability and low-end climate sensitivity values, which is of interest to insurance companies, financial institutions, wind farm owners, and electric utilities.
46:32: 🌍 The policy response to climate change has been driven by political motivations rather than scientific evidence.
56:08: 🌍 The speaker discusses their involvement in the climate change debate and the controversy surrounding the hockey stick graph.
1:05:01: 🌍 The interview discusses the issue of hiding the decline in the paleo-climate record, the labeling of the interviewee as a denier, and the importance of understanding uncertainties in climate science
.1:14:20: 🌍 The speaker argues that the impact of fossil fuel warming on weather and climate is negligible and that urgent emissions reduction would harm the economy and make vulnerable populations more at risk.
1:22:51: 🌍 The conversation discusses the negative impact of climate change policies on developing countries and the prioritization of mitigation over economic development.
1:31:39: 🌍 The speaker discusses the tendency to attribute all problems to climate change, which simplifies complex issues and allows individuals to present themselves as morally concerned.
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"The speaker argues that the impact of fossil fuel warming on weather and climate is negligible and that urgent emissions reduction would harm the economy and make vulnerable populations more at risk."
That sums up her opinion. Economy before climate. That's a stupid bet.
"The policy response to climate change has been driven by political motivations rather than scientific evidence."
Did they prove that ? I noticed that people attacking IPCC say the models are wrong, spread doubt over climate change, but never demonstrate what they assert.
Thanks for this recap. You should know already that the IPCC has been fighting for the Loss and Damage fund for years, with developed nations promising funding and then not paying up.
@@ofdrumsandchordsNo, it’s common sense before unsubstantiated panic.
@@ikhtiarsobhan Common sense is the other word for stupidity.
I remember seeing Dr. Judith Curry on CorbettReport in 2017 - very happy to see she is getting the attention she deserves now. Keep up the good work Dr. Peterson!
She is a charlatan and should just be ignored. As for Petersen he is just a right wing nut job.
This is candidly the best climate podcast I’ve seen so far. Bravo. You each make excellent points on what’s likely to happen and what isn’t, and to what degree we should be concerned about which scenarios. Speaking of Lomborg, I reckon you should invite him to do a four-way podcast between you two, him and Michael Shellenberger; you’d all make pertinent points on how people should see climate change the topic and what policymakers should do in which parts of the world and how. You could call it “Manageable Climate/Environmental Proposals - How to Help as Many People as possible with the best solutions for the Lowest Cost”.
Tom Nelson's channel is an excellent source of regular climate podcasts with the likes of Judith Curry. He has 186 interviews in his playlist plus more playlists from other channels. You might find some similarly interesting if you've not already discovered his channel.
This is one of the best conversations on the global climate I’ve ever heard. Thank you Dr.Curry and Dr.Peterson and co. for making this happen.
DR JUDITH CURRY IS A COURAGEOUS, AMAZING, INTELLIGENT WOMAN!
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen more gratitude or positivity in a comment section. As if I’m not moved and edified enough by Peterson and his guests! It’s refreshing to know that the pursuit of understanding and truth is taken up by so many awesome people. Keep holdin it down and enlighten your hearts, minds, and spirits day in and day out!!! 💪🏼
If possible please repost parts or all of this video on all social medias you have access to. All need to know the truth. Thank you. 02/17/2023
@@mehrangerami187 This is hardly the truth! She didn't even speculate as to what's causing warming if it isn't GHGs. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it in science.
shes a professional liar who gets money from oil companies to lie, nothing more nothing less. There is is nothing positive about her dishonesty.
Im just an ordinary southafrican,its so heart warming to get so much knowledge from real people like these two and its free.theres no excuses for ignorance at all❤🇿🇦
@@Gladescat Does she really have to? The Earth was warming way before we started burning fossil fuels. There are many cycles on Earth and outside Earth’s atmosphere that contribute to cyclical warming/cooling trends. Yes, increasing greenhouse gases can and probably do contribute to warming but there are many environmental buffers that are not well represented in climate models as discussed.
More of this, please. You're an oasis in the madness we're going through dr. Peterson.
Ya because thats how science facts work, you all line up and vote on it... then thats what happens... My God Ive seen toasters with more common sense
@@stevewilson4321 Care to elaborate a bit please? Because what I see is that the "scientific community" votes and decides what goes on and when they don't get it right, they just shift the goalposts. And they're so ardent in their "science" that they don't have trouble quashing some contrarian voices to oblivion; totally insecure if you ask me.
@@ΘάνοςΔιαμαντόπουλος-π4τ Well last time I looked at the history of SCIENCE I didnt see a VOTE on anything... Science is consensus not a democracy. When its not right its corrected and made closer to truth... How terrible is that? I noticed you failed to address any issue in science using FACTS... Just because YOU dont like what science says thats not a reason to attack it... Its a chance for YOU to evaluate yourself... Of course you rather find some excuse to ignore it...
Death is hard?
@@stevewilson4321 When science claims authority but stands corrected, it's disastrous. Like drugs, tobacco in the beginning of the century, glyphosate, DDT and the opiod epidemic the USA is suffering right now, since "scientific" pharmaceutical companies said that "it's settled science" that opiods don't cause addiction etc. I never tackled the subjects, and what JP and Lomborg discuss is how to deal better with an ever changing environment, not if something is happening in the mind of Al Gore and the other delusional doomsayers. Also, don't be such a person; stop projecting and virtue signaling. It's unnecessary.
This just magnifies the void of critical thinking and having an elevated discussion on the topic. It's a long episode but well worth your time to watch or listen to.
Dear Dr. Peterson....thank you very much for listening to your audience. Dr Curry, is one the best and most serious climate scientists out there.
This is what we need, sincere talking, straightforward with no need for drama, just facts, data in a very human conversation, she corrects you in the beginning and from there humbly you ask to be corrected when you say your understanding on her area of expertise and she kindly did. The best of all is that we all learn with you.
Thank you so much for this ver educated and educating conversation / explanation of her points of view.
Looking forward for more pure knowledge and understanding on this way.
What also deserves attention is the fact that her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is.
(By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
@@truthmatterstoday Troll Alert.
@@truthmatterstoday You mean unlike the government-hired university scientists that only say/write the things the politicians want to hear?
@@chrsl3 yeah that makes absolutely sense. We all remember during 2018-2021, all scientists suddenly denied the existence of man-made climate change when the trump administration took office...
Oh that wasn’t the case?
They continued their work for decades no matter who was in charge of the country? That basically sounds like they would work for science and not for anyone else.
But yeah, believing someone who changed their views completely after receiving money from companies who need to spread public scepticism to make billions, that makes much more sense.
In the end we can’t even blame her, we all do morally wrong things for huge amount of money, I guess 95% of us are just as corrupt as she is.
@@truthmatterstoday LOL
An excellent conversation between two very intelligent people who are actually listening and learning from each other
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, one of your best interviews on a topic that needs a lot of clarification.
This woman is pure class - I am going to put a picture of her up on my daughters wall!!
She has even managed to direct a conversation with JP and may even have spoken more. A rare achievement!
Lol this is comical
@@nellanellaperched6767 What did Judith Curry say that was incorrect?
@jameschapman2720 oh I didn't mean at all that in like a sharp or rude way, I meant her comment was made me smile in a laughing kind of way. JP is a hell of a talker, so for anyone to take steal the stage from him is kinda funny 😅 I can see how you read it like that though, especially these days
@@nellanellaperched6767 Thanks, you're one of the most respectful people i've ever come across in any comment section. Bless you. yes, it is easy to misinterpret things in such highly charged times politically. Regards from NZ.
Here’s a mistake JP made. Curry said that a 30-year cooling period is quite possible in this century. JP took that to mean in the NEXT 30 years. (I want to get this correction on the record.)
This was a thing of beauty. Best summation I have seen on the subject. Thank you so much Jordan and Judith.
I can't believe this is happening, i' a Peterson fan since C-16 (Canadian "hate speech law" ) and i follow Curry since 2019... I'm so happy see these two having a conversation together.
There is no such thing as hate speech.
There is stupid speech and unpopular speech. But "hate speech" is a construct to silence speech!
@@highroller-jq3ix Not an actual refutation of anything but yourself. Good job.
@@highroller-jq3ix Projectionism doesn't work anymore, pass it on. 😉
@@highroller-jq3ix Are you going to be citing any sources that back up your statement?
According to Brenda Cossman, a professor of law at the University of Toronto, Peterson is “fundamentally mischaracterizing” Bill C-16.
“I don’t know if he’s misunderstanding it, but he’s mischaracterizing it,” Cossman says.
(Brenda Cossman spoke to Torontoist about this, but you can find what else she’s said on the issue here.)
Cossman says it seems Peterson is trying to argue that the misuse of pronouns could constitute hate speech.
“I don’t think there’s any legal expert that would say that [this] would meet the threshold for hate speech in Canada,” she says.
Our courts have a very high threshold for what kind of comments actually constitutes hate speech, and the nature of speech would have to be much more extreme than simply pronoun misuse, according to Cossman.
“The misuse of pronouns is not equivalent to advocating genocide in any conceivable manner,” she continues. “If he advocated genocide against trans people, he would be in violation, but misusing pronouns is not what that provision of the code is about.”
Cossman, who has participated in a debate with Peterson, takes issue with the way he uses the language to describe what could happen if he was found in violation of the Ontario Human Rights Code.
“If he was found guilty by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal, he would have been doing something illegal but not criminal,” Cossman says. In other words, he wouldn’t go to jail. Jail is only a punishment for committing a criminal offence-a violation of the Criminal Code.
If Peterson was found to be in violation of the code, there are different possible remedies. He could be ordered to pay money, he could be ordered to correct the behaviour, he could be ordered to go to training, etc.
Thank you Dr Peterson and Dr Curry. I deeply respect and applaud you both.
“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front to control it.” HL Mencken
lol
And the truth, is, many countries in Africa are going to be thrown into the modern times through the help of China.
LOL!
Judith did a very good job of standing by her beliefs, knowledge, and understanding, even if it means pissing people off.
Standing by her believes? That’s quite funny.
her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is.
(By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
Beliefs belong at the end of that string, and better phrased as opinions, IMO. Arriving at conclusions that solidify as rational convictions through the scientific method of investigation is a far cry from believing we're doomed because you're having nightmares after watching a scary youtube video with flashy animations of continents being inundated. But that's just where we are. So important for us all to be able to discuss this stuff rationally and calmly in the face of naive emotional sensationalism. I agree that's she's pretty solid. Zero hyperbole and not a hint of contrarianism.
@@amarissimus29 her contradictions lay in her scientific research back then, and her statements before receiving fossil fuel funding. For decades she said man-made climate change poses huge threats for humanity and the planet. She has not published a single (!) scientific paper since she changed her views to prove her own statements and facts wrong. You can make everything sound believable if you don’t go to the scientific level. The fact that billions of people believe in one of the 6000 gods proves that quiet well. Most of her claims contradict her own scientific research of decades. But for some reason you’re leaving that out. And for some reason she never scientifically proved them to be wrong.
This man is a Brilliant Intellectual and should Always be Allowed to Speak. 💯☮️❤️✝️
It is ridiculous that he has enemies. For what reason could you dislike or disagree with the Facts?
Stand together brothers and sisters. It is the Only way to survive these dark times. ✌🏻
I have been doing a deep Bible study in the book of Revelation. I have deduced we are in the tribulation and the Anti-Christ is about to reveal himself. The reason I claim that the tribulation has been going on is prophecy is being filled at a rapid pace. What caught my attention a few years back was when men called good evil, and evil good and I discovered the Euphrates River has dried up which is also sign the end is near along with a couple hundred little signs shown to me by the Holy Spirit. Repent often and stay true in your faith and be obedient to your Maker. Yahweh bless you and keep you in His mercy and peace.
Marxist/commies hate truth speakers
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation.
Where are the three replies??!!
@@annrogers8129 #1 wifi issues and data missing(i talk to people across the world and we all agree we had a lot of shit go missing). #2 censoreship.
Listening to Dr. Curry; I find her fascinating. She is a phenomenally knowledgeable thinker. She makes me think back to my college days - 40 years ago - professors like her I fell in love with. I love learning and she is the kind of person that makes you learn when you listen to her.
Tom Nelson has had a lot of good climate experts on his channel. They rip the scam apart.
You are right. Tom Nelson's guests approach this from all angles and from every angle, holes are poked.
Check out Nate Hagens
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation. Poisoning us 24/7.
People forget that we are a part of a solar system with cycles. Our Sun currently in the grand solar minimum which produces solar flares and CMEs which can cripple our planet. The warming trend is universal and and not necessarily global.
@@DocMonkWarrior Yes indeed. The wind-speeds of the Venusian and Martian atmosphere also change inline with solar activity.
Venus having no magnetosphere of its own has thus a hotter and denser atmosphere than Earth would have, if it was at the same distance from the Sun, inline with the true physics, because its atmosphere is receiving a greater share of solar particles.
The models also ignore solar x-rays. To be pedantic, these should not even be called models as a ‘computer model’ is defined as algorithms that simulates something physical. These CMIP’s are just trying to match correlations with too few variables at too gross a resolution and as every scientist knows ‘correlation is no proof of causation’.
James Hansen (who’s hypothetical nonsense about Venus started this all off) was also a NASA planetary scientist and one must question if he considered the promise of fame and fortune a fair price for his soul. At least Judas Iscariot repented.
In the meantime, Earth continues to blindly follow physics rather than the IPCC.
Thank you for using your platform to find the Truth. God please be with us all in these strange times. We need you now more than ever!
🙏 AMEN
I would love to see an interview (if it is not in planning phase yet), where some member(s) of the IPCC is interviewed, so they can defend their arguments, from someone who is really willing to opose them. Just in the name of science.
I've wanted to see this for a long time. One thing that's always made me uncomfortable about a lot of climate scientists has been statements like "the evidence is in and the debate is over." Nothing screams bullshit more than being unwilling to debate and defend a position. It's also just bad science.
we'd need to have someone who has a better model, not someone who simply says "I don't think so"
I love listening to Judith Curry's truth in science and sound reasoning as much as I love to watch Steph Curry play basketball. They both are proven players by their honest performance and points
Go nuggets
Thank you SO much for what you are doing. We know you are literally sacrificing your life here. Stay safe and may you be Protected and Blessed in all of your actions. We stand behind you with Love.
Finally! Dr Currie a perfect guest to speak on climate etc.
lol nope
Dr Jordan, although I am coming from a different ideological spectrum, I admire your courage and your ethics, thank you so much for your work, you truly are very brave, thank you for standing up for humanity.
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@Google Konto coming from an account named Google account. Whatever
This podcast was amazing. Very cool to finally hear opposition views. We need dr. Curry on the Joe Rogan podcast - that will give her a new massive audience.
I don't understand why the world has not supported taking back the deserts. There are some citizen initiatives going on in China, South America and Africa but they need monetary support. What do trees do for this planet? What a world we could create if we only stopped listening to government funded activists and looked at our own communities and supported those communities who are making real change. Thank You for all that you do Jordan. Peace♥
They are not interested in less desert. I don't know what they're up to, but there is at least a lot of stupidity going on.
They don't want to take back the deserts...they want depopulation, total governmental control.
Sorry but Brazil gov is all about laundering money with activist companies and they work with drug dealers, always swindling poor and illiterate populations to continue support.
We are about a century behind everyone else with gov always being volatile and without any morals...
Food forests 🤍
Why to take back deserts if "they" want to cull the world population to only one billion.
Dr Curry, I am amazed that you had the courage to not just jump into the climate apocalypse bandwagon. You would have been lauded as a champion and given money and fame to no end. Your honesty and courage is amazing.
Critical thinking vs critical consciousness.
What a Home Run! This woman is a treasure! The narrative is being destroyed by calm, rational thinking and long form podcasts. Thanks again JBP!
Nothing destroyed here. Curry is well known for citing long debunked strawmen arguments one after another. That's all she does here. Sorry, no luck for you in here.
@voster77hh you wish! The marxist power grab is being shown for what it is. JC & JBP are being heard. You and your ilk will find yourselves relegated to the same place in history as the boy that cried wolf. Ashamed end embarrassed.
@@voster77hh ah yes, the character assassination with nothing approaching specificity. Good job, comrade.
Thank you Dr. Person for all the hard work you do. Bless you.
This was a really good discussion, thank you so much for posting!!
A real Scientist should develop this way of thinking:
"I don't mind being wrong, as long as I don't stay wrong."
I was unaware of Dr. Curry before watching this, but it's totally clear that she is a quality scientist that really knows her stuff. Here's something we should all remember: no one is perfect. No person, no group, no organization, etc. And the whole point of having a diversity of minds in a culture is so that when someone makes an error, someone else will point it out. If you start taking the attitude that pointing out a mistake or shortcoming is an act of evil, you're got an entirely wrong mind set going on.
Now, does that mean no one will ever try to use that as a tactic for trying to undermine others? No - it doesn't. There are all kinds of "bad players" in our culture on all sides of every issue. But, when someone does claim an error where there isn't one, someone ELSE will call that out. And so on - it's how the process is SUPPOSED to work.
And to circle back to the start - no one is perfect. And that includes those concerned about the climate.
@@KipIngram I don't believe it's an issue of being perfect at all!!! The left literally focuses on a narrative, and then just fills in the gaps with outtakes, misquotes and exaggerations in order to make things appear the way that THEY want them to appear. They don't make mistakes. They lie!!! And then, they don't care! ~ and they want to silence you!!! Even with physical violence!~ to back their invalid points!!! (You did have some good points though.) Sorry about the bad sentence structure, but I just wanted to make my voice come through with my words. It probably didn't work, but it was worth a try anyway. lol :)
ALL "real" scientists already think that way
@@MDAdams72668 But they never get to put their point of view, unless they blindly follow the climate change zealots. The funding is only available if they agree to follow the flawed climate change narrative which is all the media is interested in forcing on us.
Somebody should publish a paper which shows the correlation between the level of grant money given to scientists versus the level of vitriol with which they reply to any dissension of their opinion😂😂
I sincerely appreciate you both for this interview. It saddens me how little big business thinks of human life.
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@Bob I would say that the biggest of big businesses, oil companies, are indeed the liars. During the 80s and 90s, Exxon scientists researched the effect of fossil fuel emissions on climate.They came to the same conclusions as NASA, the IPCC and most climate scientists. But Exxon hid their research from the public.
@Bob they have big business parties, have you ever been invited?
and we all use the cell phone
It saddens me to think the world is full of people who expect my kids to pay for your virtue signalkung. Peterson time has come to an end. He needs to stay in his lane and stfu about "we."
This is now my favorite show on dw. I learn so much from these talks
Great summary of the effect on the poor of the world at the one hour 24 minute mark through one hour 28 minute mark. Wonderful summary of this entire problem.
This is, and has been since I can remember, a very hot-button issue for me. I never bought into the claims that humans were destroying the world. I remember learning about this in school in the late 90’s early 2000’s and I could only roll my eyes.
So, I appreciate this topic Jordan, please keep bringing these people on to dismantle the bogus narratives we’re so incessantly force-fed.
The hubris that humans can influence cosmic events is completely asinine.
Even Exxon knew about climate change from fossil fuels in the 70s but hid the reports just like the tobacco industry. Keep ignorimg reality. Don't Look Up 😂
Nice confirmation bias you've got going on there. Believe the scientists, not some alt right quack that has ZERO expertise in this topic.
@@smelltheglove2038 "Cosmic events" Nice way to misrepresent climate change lmao.
@@axelnova123 ...
It's no more of a misrepresentation than the term "climate change" itself. Whatever happened to "anthropogenic global warming" (AGW)? I'll tell you. The weather didn't cooperate for 15 years following the 1998 El Nino and we keep having these long pauses of no warming. According to UAH data, there has been no warming for more then 7 years. The phrase, "climate change" is an appeal to ambiguity. It's equivocation the way they're using it.
It’s great to see this interview with Judith Curry! I am so excited to hear your conversation! Thank you!
While listening keep in mind that for decades working as a scientist she agreed that humans are the main cause of global warming. Once she started receiving funds from the fossil fuel industry through her private company and generate massive income from them she change her views completely. Sadly, but for sure just by accident, both forgot to mention that.
All 3 of Peterson’s last so called experts on this topic receive massive findings from the fossil fuel companies. Quite interesting, isn’t it, how views can change once money plays a role.
Jordan's 'steel man' summary around 31 minutes in is well-stated & gives me the sense that he listens to those who disagree with him carefully.
But she really sucks. Without jp, I would drop long time ago. She is NOT a communicator.
Gracias Dra Curry y al Dr Peterson.
Cheers Jordan! You're changing the world for the better.
They need to change this bot.
@@googlekonto2851 que cabron?
Jordan Peterson is a great man with great advice.
Who comments on things he has no expertise in. Dangerous, like other experts who think they can comment on anything, and as long as he voices opinions that fit the alt rights narrative he'll make a lot of money I guess.
What shocks me about him is is lack of empathy or respect for other people's views- exactly the opposite of what I think a good psychologist should be like
@Mark Girvan what shocks me is a left winger will always trash a conservative. Both sides make great points and instead of trying to trash each other just work together. 🙄
@@markgirvan5980 the experts use they feelings, she says that!
Dr Peterson uses facts!!
Experts should not use feelings!!!
Great job dr Peterson!!!
Using facts!!! Not just feelings
@@markgirvan5980 that’s cause we don’t care about your feelings!!!
Grow up!!
Man up!!!!
@@markgirvan5980 It sounds like you didn’t listen to the discussion. Early in they both comment on place of empathy in a scientific discussion.
Thank you !! From a fellow Canadian .. I have read all three books.. long time fan ... Your plan is best bet for a great world moving forwards.
Dr Peterson is a very open and honest interviewer, enjoyed this podcast
It's worthy of note that when actual scientists talk about complex subjects like climate they never say the things that journalists and politicians are always telling us they say.
and when does this happen? please post links to anything that supports this please.
@@mrunning10 I think you may have missed the point - whic is that it NEVER happens. It never happens because no qualified scientist today believes there is any "climate crisis", current or impending, so they will not say it. Journalists and politicians, who know nothing of science will continue to parrot this vapid tautology in yet another example of humans' propensity toward mass hysteria. It is today's witch hunt, today's satanist scare, today's commie scare, and the fact that millions of uninformed people feel it is the defining crisis of our time offers precisely nothing in defense of this unscientific fashion trend.
Its true, politicians and journalists are trying to invoke fear and other emotions. That is part of their job, scientists have a fundamental pledge to being unbias and working towards the truth and nothing else.
I often hear scientists quoting media about climate change. It’s rare that I hear that citing journal articles.
@@vee_grave Because they never look at them, let alone, READ them. Nor could they understand them. What's your point? Congressmen listen to the fossil fuel lobbies and their BILLION dollar influence peddling.
Jordan is wise to let her correct him. It's obvious he has done a lot of research, but she does this for a living. Jordan does an awesome job of asking questions.
Gosh, her laugh is perfect. She presents a very buttoned up, straight talk, refined type of persona, and then this laugh just adds the right amount of texture. Well done, Judith! Oh, and yes, climate change has been so weaponized that I can't even imagine bringing up the topic with my mainstream friends. They would simply laugh me out of the room.
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“can't even imagine bringing up the topic with my mainstream friends. They would simply laugh me out of the room.”
Or worse - ask you to support yr claim. And then - after you said ‘cause a lady w/a nice laugh said so' - laugh you outa the room.
@@pauljackson1709 It would be a blessing indeed if they asked for evidence and support.
So, it's more about their demeanor and not about the science. Gotcha. Frankly, it's been weaponized by the very companies that know climate change is real and are threatened by the fact that their product is a GHG when oxidized. Heck, Exxon scientists even discovered it.
Because these mainstream media devotees are in a small tunnel and will not even look at any other ideas.
Thank you for this gold standard free education 👏
Gold standard? From a clinical psychologist with no climate science training? From Judith Curry, who has been roundly debunked in the scientific literature?
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 which scientific literature? Those written by alarmists?
@@materioverda1655 The scientific literature that's been peer-reviewed in credible scientific journals. TEN separate studies confirm the scientfic consensus on climate change, by the way. TEN. 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings. The latest IPCC report cites over 13,500 studies, which were conducted by over 39000 scientists from over 2500 scientific institutions around the world.
Before blindly believing a clinical psychologist with no training and a climate scientist who the data refutes (among other things Curry claimed global warming had permanently stopped in six different years from the 90s through the early 2000s and was wrong each time), read up on the science.
Cornell University last year audited the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and found a 99.9% consensus that human activity is driving global warming. If 99.9% of bridge engineers warn me not to cross a rickety, dangerous bridge, I'm not going to put much stock in the 0.1% who disagree, especially when some of them work as bridge toll collectors.
Dr. Curry deserves our attention.
What also deserves attention is the fact that her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is.
(By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
@@truthmatterstoday I changed my mind on solar after I learned of its short-comings. Michael Shellenberger did the same. Even though we wanted solar very much to be the solution. Especially me, living in the Mojave Desert trying to support my family's electrical contractor business.
Dr. Curry saw the common-sense of it and the intent of globalists to leverage anything that will give them more control.
@@randellhynes those are discussions we can always have. And those are openly held in many countries. Nothing wrong with arguing about the right way to fight man-made climate change. Absolutely necessary actually.
@@truthmatterstoday You are full of shit. Just shut up.
Good afternoon Sir from the UK 🇬🇧 I really wish you well in delivering these messages, opening peoples minds & getting people to question the dogma & re employ common sense. Your audience is growing 👌👏👍 I pray it continues 🙏🙏🙏
Amen❤
Hello from the states! He mentioned on the last Joe rogan podcast that he is assembling a large team of experts, politicians to help tell the right story. I believe climate amongst other things are going to be included. Stay tuned!!
Dr. Judith Curry : "CO2 is not a control knob that can fine tune climate . . . " There are many other factors involved.
I concur from the UK every news channel here is just full of propaganda
@@watching-the-watchers55 ...
Yes there are, but humans are only an insignificant component. There is no "climate crisis". Nothing that's taking place presently is particularly unique.
Seeing Judith smiling about the irony of the C02 phobic warms my heart. We live in evil times.
To say the least.
Biggest eposode of ”madness of crowds” in human history
Jordan B. Peterson is on the take from the fossil fuel industry.
@@garysarela4431 Got proof to go with your allegation. Think Davos humans stealing your wealth.
@@rudigereichler4112 Wrong. It is the conclusions of a very large number of scientists who have used the scientific method to get progressively closer to the truth.
Very impressive discussion on the ‘climate change’ debate. This should be compulsory viewing for all the Extinction Rebellion goons stopping people from getting to work and hospital appointments etc.
This interview needs to be everywhere! This is a thoughtful educational video & I hope this gets noticed more...those who wish to become rich on the backs of others will use whatever means are at hand to keep the impoverished poor and use our climate to justify putting down those poorer nations who are trying to develop into being sustainable & positively growing countries
Not educational. Just indoctrination of gullible people like you who prefer to be told that everything is OK when it most definitely not.
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pseudoscience. of course is a big issue to find a way to make undeveloped nations rise up without emissions and it is a little bit patronizing but the science it's pretty clear. co2 emissions are the main cause of global warming. if 99% of scientist agrees on the subject reliability of this is the truth is quite high. if a scientist can prove that everybody is wrong would win the Nobel prize
Yes indeed K R. Isn't common sense and the American way amazing?!
The UN , WEF and other global counterparts must be dismantled. Utterly corrupt.
Dr. Peterson has made me a better storyteller. Thank you sir.
Like my father when he told me all those stories about Hänsel and Gretel and the evil witch.
I found out later that it was a made up story :(
Love your work Dr Peterson, thanks as always and keep it up!
One of the important points I had never heard before is that there was an effort to go after the oil companies even before any substantial study about carbon emissions effects on climate. Is there more info that discusses the history of this animosity and the reasons behind it?
Total BS, Michael. Even Exxon's own scientists in leaked memos acknowledge that combusted fossil fuels are warming the planet. They even accurately predicted our rate of warming.
Wow, more of her please. She is so refreshing to listen to. It made me want to consider getting into the field.
Water vapor is the #1 Greenhouse gas. It does 3/4s of the heating according to GHG theory.
If you can believe the theory.
If the theory is correct water vapor alone will destroy the planet. There is on average 50 times as much water vapor in the atmosphere as CO2.
Do it. It's a fascinating subject, but one where you'll be subjected to the same punishments as Dr Curry was, if you dare to question the consensus. I admire Dr Curry because around the time of ClimateGate, she actually engaged with sceptics, and came to the conclusion that we may have some valid points. Also resulted in some fascinating conversations about how to correctly (rather than deceptively) indicate uncertainty. It was also a pretty bold move to leave academia and go into business. If she's wrong, she doesn't get paid. If climate 'scientists' are wrong, they've got tenure, so who cares? And their trips to jollys like COP are fully expensed.
Clearly you have no idea that this woman's ideas have been debunked many many times.
@@rogerphelps9939 citation needed..
ExxonMobil's own scientists predicted rising global temperature along with CO2 levels, back in 1982 and their forecasts remain virtually perfect.
I loved it when she mentioned the Sun and Ocean. Solar forcing and Grand Solar Minimums are powerful. The Thames river hasn't had ice in it since 63 (half an inch)but in the Maunder Minimum(1645-1720) the ice was so thick they had "Frost fairs" horses pulled the booths. For ice to hold 1500lbs it's got to be over 6 inches thick. If you add to that a major volcano. Can you imagine if the temp in Europe went that cold next winter?
Dr Judith Curry. An absolute gem of a scientist. Thank you Jordan.
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She's basically a charlatan
"Curry's position on climate change was much criticized by climate scientists,[17][15] and she became known as a contrarian scientist.[3][22][23] A 2013 Media Matters for America study found that Curry was among the "climate doubters" most frequently quoted by the press as spreading public doubts about climate science. Going against the vast majority view of climate scientists, she had suggested to newspapers that most of the recent global warming was not human-caused, and had hinted that IPCC scientists are motivated by "funding" even though they are not paid for their contributions.[24] "
@@mehrangerami187It would get shut down so quickly, either from nasty people or the platform itself.
@@Doobency Got it. You may be right.
@@mehrangerami187 Not on Twitter.
I really enjoyed this guest. I learned a lot from her. I also think it was fun to see the professional and honest way Jordan responds to an expert who is correcting him like an adult, instead of accusing him of something.
I'm sorry for distancing myself from your teachings. You've been a beacon of light in the darkest of my times. Godspeed
So glad that Jordan is bringing this actual scientist's point of view to light. Thank you to Dr. Peterson and Dr. Curry.
@christopherianlister5212
Yes, and the evidence is what she presents eh!
@@christopherianlister5212 sounded like evidence to me bucko
@James @Lubosh Don't try to confuse Christopher with facts... his mind is made up. Just an alarmist troll.
Jordan B. Peterson is on the take from the fossil fuel industry. This is the fifth climate change denial clown he's interviewed recently. Judith Curry is on Fred Singer's 2015 email chain list, along with other disgraced fossil fuel shills and unqualified bloggers such as Tony Heller, Willie Soon, Anthony Watts, P Gosselin, Christopher Monckton, James Delingpole and Marc Morano.
@@garysarela4431 Tell me you lost the argument without saying, "I lost the argument."
Judith is a true scientist. It is Admirable her faithfulness to rigorous scientific analysis results even when these opposses that of main stream researchers.
What also deserves attention is the fact that her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is.
(By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.) quite interesting how her views changed completely once she received massive amounts of money from such companies, isn’t it
@@truthmatterstoday y you afraid of the boogie man.? Grow up worry and focus about your life and relations with people i your life. Set acheviable goals and achieve them. Gl Hf
@@truthmatterstoday similar suspicion raises that absurd goal of the climate science community "to work on consensus". Perhaps this lead to develop the graph Judith described its data of increasing world temperatures had sky rocketed? It seems to me that the models are still incomplete thus not useful to predict future climate stable patterns that can validate any strict restrictive new law both for producers as well well as for consumers. Yet if we care about possible catastrophes caused by the oil industry we should demand goverments to stablished though norms, regulations and laws to prevent spills as well as to set VERY high fines if damage to ecosystems happen. In addition we, common people should take action by consuming less "commodities" which are not necessary, use less the car, eat less meat and raise less children - as the Swedes suggested years ago as a formula to reduce stress to our bioesphere.
No she isn't. Curry is well known for citing long debunked strawmen arguments one after another.
I never bought the Gore climate agenda - i had to search for truth in this area. Thank you both for sharing your knowledge.
Or Greta Thunberg. Hasn't one of her doom and gloom dates already passed.
"I never bought the Gore climate agenda" It isn't the "Gore climate agenda": American scientists have been warning the public about man-made global warming since 1957. LBJ was briefed on the threat of this in the mid-60's. Dr. Hansen briefed Congress on why this was a threat in the late 1980s. IN reality, there are 14 different climate models that have quite accurately predicted how much our emissions would warm the planet, and so of them are more than 20-40+ years. Also, man-made global warming is already causing hundreds of harmful effects for people and the planet, and things will just get worse and more and more expensive the longer we delay taking action to fix this. And we're not just talking about it being a little warmer: Rapid man-made global warming and ocean acidification, if kept up too long, causes ecosystems and the societies that depend on them to unravel. Take care.
Keep going man, the world needs you.
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Lindzen and now Curry. Finally a podcaster decides to interview people who actually know something about this subject.
Agree, it’s long overdue and needs some space in a public forum
And an undeniable track record of failed prediction.
@@nerdyali4154 In which regard?
@@chrsl3 In regard to the things they've said about the climate in the past, Lindzen in particular. One thing that the deniers, and I use that term advisedly, just cannot get past is the fact that the mainstream predictions for the emissions scenarios which have eventuated have been rather accurate. The deniers keep having to change their angles of attack. Curry is as disingenuous as the rest. She claims that the models can't explain the slight cooling trend from the 40's to the 70's, when the models show exactly that. The trend is so miniscule and within the error range that you can't even say it is real, but Curry pretends the models don't account for it when they do. She plays fast and loose with data, cherry picking away. When it's convenient El NIna and La Nina events are cited as factors but downplayed when not convenient. She makes dubious claim after claim as all deniers do. She has used the standard "warming stopped in XXXX" trope, which is an untruth and any climate scientist knows that using a year when a natural temp forcing is in significant effect as the start of your range is dishonest. If Peterson is really willing to live by the ethos of willingness to entertain error then he would give a platform to some of the vast majority of scientists who accept the "narrative" because the evidence overwhelmingly leads that way. What would be the use of the "consensus" taking fringe views into account when those views contradict the overwhelming body of evidence? The most glaringly obvious reason why self-styled "skeptics" and contrarians give credence to the fringe is that they find the majority conclusion unpalatable. Most of the usual suspects of climate contrarianism are know to have religious motivations, ideological/economic motivations or a love of notoriety and money.
TBH Peterson is becoming ever more arrogant and self-important, sternly lecturing society on things he knows nothing about. He should stick to psychology (without the Jungian cr*p) because he seems to have something useful to say there.
Need to add in Professor Patrick Moore. He speaks well and has a theory about carbon sequestration that has yet to be refuted.
Appreciate the content JP, the World needs to hear all sides of an argument. The fact that people are shamed and shunned for wanting to hear both sides of the debate is scary. I believe Climate Change exists but I am skeptical to the doom and gloom narratives.
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation.
Great to hear from Dr Curry with a fascinating review of this matter. JP is well briefed on the topic, but is much too keen to get his own opinions across. When he has an expert guest, he should (IMO) try, as briefly as possible, to find out what she thinks and make his own speeches to challenge her only where he disagrees or needs elucidation. I found his long-winded expositions, followed by her challenge/ correction, doesn't make it easy to follow her position.
I'd recommend his listening to Freddie Sayers on Unherd. At the end of one of his interviews I think that I know scarcely anything about what Freddie thinks, but a lot more about what the interviewee thinks.
I agree with you, this approach interrupts her thread of thoughts and explanation. The best is to listen to Dr. Curry is to go to her lectures, and other interviews.
Dr. JP cuts her off too many times, though he has some methodology, this kind of scientist should have more freedom to speak without being interrupted.
Wish more fans provided actual criticism like this than the regular d!€k sucking that often happens with the first 20 top comments.
Just imagine if we all had people like this wonderful couple in power around the world. How much better off would our World and it's population be.
Except for the Pacific Ocean island-nations, and the western US, or Florida, or Louisiana, or Pakistan, or India, or Bangladesh, or Central America, or...
But that's the thing, people don't become this critical if the world is save. As she states herself, after her publication that coincided with the aftermath of Katrina, only then did she become aware of the complexity of fields touching hers and how she needs to be well versed in those fields in order to truly start to understand it.
The key now is to recognize that some are able to stay on course and many that are put in places of power are just there because of their ego and our own laziness. We put them there.
And being aware of that, you start to understand there is a necessity for checks and balances. Because there are so many more that are not easily shaken by outside influences. Or at least to the point where their world view shifts. Simply because they can recover from the pain of feeling judged and are able to let their need to understand prevail.
But also that it's ok to say you don't know and you need more time or input and how expert answers should never come from one individual speaker. And more dynamics.
But my point is, without corruption, there will be no countering force.
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@@mrsrr that would be impossible to get the whole of humanity to even try to . I use Xbox live as an example, all the player log on to play the same game every day all they have to do is follow a couple of rules and play their game but with in 1 min in the loading screen all hell breaks loose. Then you see humans are to f-ed up to play even the simplest of games without it turning into a verbal war , people even being racist just based off of the sound of people's voice. Sure it's a game but it applies to how every devolves into a selfish tribal tyrant . It's a harsh reality . I hate it, but even me, an optimist can't see around this flaw.
@@Gladescat
The island nations received approx 50 million from the UN to purchase land from
another highland island, don't remember which.
Well? Those people, as of last year, didn't move there yet. That money is
no longer to be found.
BTW, those island people have the time if the water level rises to move,
because water takes time to rise.
do not forget to take time to unwind and relax ,your hard work has been noticed .god bless you jordan
I haven’t watched your videos in a very very long time. Thank you for saving my life from a very self destructive life. And it’s great to see you talking about new and vastly different topics.
I love Judith Curry! I saw her speak at a conference a long time ago and she was the only person I'd ever see talk about the other side of the climate debate, other than alarmism I mean. She expressed a reasonable skepticism of the alarmism, basically.
99.9% of climatologists disagree with her. So I'm extremely sceptical about her scepticism. Basically if you are not a climatologist (I'm not, nor is Peterson) then deciding to believe the 0.01% is not arrived at through reason but desire for something not to be true. Human. But not reasonable or intellectually defensible.
What does she propose ? Keep on with fossil fuels, polluting our cities and releasing billions of tons of CO2 in the atmosphere, where it stays for centuries, aggravating the warming for distant generations. Does it seem reasonable to you ?
The Paris agreement is not alarmist. It's prudent and responsible.
Then we can find solutions for the poorest countries. This lady uses twisted arguments.
@@jamie395Your assumption that most of the scientists don’t agree with her, it’s false. One thing for sure it’s the politics and dark interests against truthful and honest scientists. There are many other scientists who are with her.
Loving these climate discussions showcasing true intellects such as Lindzen and Curry. Judith cleverly highlights the moral reality of holding back undeveloped countries only prevents a potential meager 6% increase to emissions. That is a hard pill to swallow for any rational compassionate person, which is probably why it's never talked about. Great work Jordan!
Our politicians can’t make much profit off of that
Exactly!!
You do understand that close to equator countries have largely decoupled their economic growth due to solar power being the cheapest energy source on Earth? No, you didn't? This unscientific and fact-free garble isn't intellectual worthy at all. Curry is well known for citing long debunked strawmen arguments one after another. Compassion with whom? People starving due to decades of drought through changed rainfall patterns and leted glaciers? Ever taken a close look at a map of the Earth? Or a night sattelite image of Earth where human being do live? It's totally lunatic and misguides to belive that a "few degrees" would change nothing dramatic to the low lying rainfall pattern dependent alluvial floodlands 90% of humans live on. For the last decade crop yields suffered dramatically from drought in all major agricultural regions.
@@voster77hh well duh! You mean to tell me that being closer to the sun makes solar energy more affordable and reliable? I guess any thinking person would agree that that huge flaming ball in the sky is pretty much 100% in charge when it comes to how warm our planet is going to be. Ever notice how life flourishes when the planet is warm and dies when it cools off?
Thanks JP for prioritizing this topic lately and bringing in the leading independent scientists to take us on a deep dive into the science.
JP is a great interviewer, I enjoy him in this role. Is knowledgeable on the topics, allicits great info from well placed questions, gives the floor to guest without improper interruption.
I can honestly say this is the very first one of your interviews I’ve actually stuck to for the entirety of the discussion and it was extremely refreshing to see intelligent people discussing the farce that is climate change. Very well conducted and, at least in my opinion, amusing and intriguing.
Farce of climate change? Post your data that refutes the scientific consensus on climate change.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 You’re literally commenting on a video that gives you the very proof you’re looking for… Plus; there are 50+ YEARS of predictions and apocalyptic, fear mongering warning of doom and gloom that have NEVER come anywhere close to manifesting. And as if that weren’t enough proof. The ONLY response to the “climate crisis” is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS. “Give us more and more money and that will fix the problem” and miraculously. It only ever gets worse so they can continue to tax you more.
@@brandoncrimmins6296 No consensus of climate scientists have ever warned of the end of the world with climate change. You're scoffing at your own hyperbole, Brandon. Crackpot scientists and outlier scientsts say ridiculous things all the time. But they aren't a consensus of mainstream scientists.
TEN separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. TEN. I'd be happy to name them for you so you can look them up on Google Scholar and read them for yourself. In the latest study, Cornell University audited the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020. Result? A 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is warming the planet. It's the highest consensus yet.
80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings. In the latest IPCC report, over 13,500 studies were cited, with contributions from 39000 different scientists from over 2500 different scientific institutions and universities.
By contrast, the video you watched features a clinical psychologist with ZERO climate science training, and Judith Curry, who has been roundly debunked in the scientific literature.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 I admit it's not the scientists that concern me -- rather more the activists and the politicians that the activists fund. I am for providing more research funding into energy sources and energy; you won't find many who advocate more for building new fission plants than myself. I agree very strongly with James Hansen on this particular issue.
@@gilian2587 My advice is to ignore all celebrities, activists, politicians and loudmouths and pay attention only to what the consensus of climate scientists are saying. Not crackpots. Not outliers. Not lone wolves. A CONSENSUS of climate scientists.
Wow this is awesome.. Lindzen, Koonin, Curry.. Love that you're giving a platform to these giants. John Christy and Roy Spencer next please!
Nope, they're all a bunch of idiots. They have zero clue on how to do climate science.
Thank you Dr. Curry for doing this interview. It was great to "meet" another great person to aspire to be like.
Now here is a woman demonstrating to the world the value of 'Equality of Gender' She epitomisers Equal independence of thought, learning and freedom of expression as of right. She has done the work and proven herself a true scientist, unafraid of taking the honest stand on what has been observed in her various fields. All power to you Dr. Judith Curry and those valuable youngsters who hold you up as how they wish to conduct themselves in this challenging life.
Abolish the 19th
Nothing to do with gender equity, she as an individual deserves it all due to her merit in hard work.
@@beverleyyork8236 Please read my comment again, I say exactly what you are saying. My intention is to show we were all correct over the past 50 years to help this 'equality' become a reality. Trouble is today the non achievers 'expect' nay 'demand' an equal pay regardless of learning or skill ie. the word Equality has lost it 'spiritual intent and has been distorted to mean Sameness.
this conversation has NOTHING to do with equality, gender or anything else you think. You are really confused.
@@kersim8365 your comment is a lie. Stop pushing bullcrap.
The problem is scientific research funding. Companies that pay researches to do research put pressure on the researches to deliver and prove certain things and researchers can lose funding if prove something else