Traffic jams and caffeine are my nemeses, purely because I spend every minute worrying whether I'll need to pee any minute. So, I'm also Team Water! Always a pleasure watching your videos and it seems like a lovely relaxing trip so far. Can't wait for the next part!
and your videos as well. i kept thinking while watching this one the Mr EV and Mr P challenge. i just need to convince my wife to go down to Pompeii from the south coast i said about taking the dog as well, in our Niro EV, it's both of your faults for planting this seed. Have a great trip Mr & Mrs P
@@JonathanPorterfieldCheck out the IECharge on the way through France. Some chargers well off the beaten track near the smaller towns. Up to 350kw chargers and cheaper than Tesla too.. €0.25 per kw in early December..
Every time I read comments on videos such as this and other EV channels, the inevitable anti everything brigade make me think of "The Four Yorkshire men" sketch. I envisage them sitting in a pub somewhere and the conversation going something along the lines of, "Oh, aye, I remember when we all drove diesel cars, and what a marvel they were! You'd turn the key, and the whole street would vibrate with the sound of that powerful engine. We’d drive a 1000 miles non stop, getting 200 miles to the gallon, feeling every one of those miles. None of this silent, soulless hum of today’s electric vehicles. Back then, you had the smell of diesel in the morning, a real sense of adventure. Nowadays, it's all quiet and clean, no character at all. And where's the fun in that, I ask you? Kids these days, they don’t know what they’re missing."
Thanks for documenting this epic voyage in the e-Niro. You probably came near my place on your way down to northern Spain which I believe was your planned route. We and our 2019 e-Niro are 10 km from the N10 between Poitiers and Angouleme. We've just done a 370 km round trip to Bordeaux today, taking my daughter to get her flight back to UK. Now on 114,000 km so about 70,000 miles. Feel free to drop in on your way back for a cuppa. ☺
As has been said we may spend 2 to 3 weeks away from home , if your still in work, on your holidays and may taking on electrons at a higher cost but for the rest of the year your plugged in at home or membership to cheaper charging near home or work, it's the cost over a year that counts covering all aspects of ownership.
I think it's still worth planning your charging stops on any trip. It isn't the same as using an ICE where there is very little diffence in price from one fuel stop to the next. A journey like the one Jonathon and his wife are doing is probably about 4000 miles in total when you take in to account any local running around as well. The 40p difference per kWH between the most expensive and cheapest chargers is likely to mean a couple of hundred pounds difference in the total cost of this one trip. Even if I have to do half an hours planning my stops its got to be worth it.
Exactly it’s the total cost of ownership over the time you own the vehicle, depends on your driving needs / habits , my car has been paid off now for 8 years and on average over the year I put £15 per week of petrol in , may as well keep it til it dies , changing for an EV or any other car makes no sense at all
@@johnjaap1691 Yep my spreadsheets for both the PHEV and now EV always looked at cost per mile over the whole year and ownership cycle of the vehicle. even with the enormous cost of power on motorways because thats only a fraction of my mileage - the rest being cheap rate at home - I'm still well ahead.
Yesterday, my daughter went for ski lessons at The Snow Dome; bearing in mind she was skiing well at age 3, but has forgotten it all in the 9 years in-between. For curiosities’ sake, I decided to see if it were possible to drive my elderly Kia Soul EV (2016, 90 ish mile range), to the French resort where I first took her skiing (roughly 850 miles each way). It CAN be done, although with 20-22 stops for charging !! There are even a dozen 3-22KW chargers in the tiny ski resort as well. I think a lot of the stress is that you are outside your comfort zone, and way from your known charger networks.
I live in France and they have been rapidly building the charging network. I use an app called IECharge at .30 cents kWh. Some stations are next door to sub stations in middle of know where. You can use it on a uk phone. Enjoy Spain
I drove from Swindon via Montpeliier to Salou, in an ID3 58KW. Very easy journey. Mostly used Ionity and Fastned. It was pretty straightforward no dramas from the car or range anxiety.
You will be glad to have crosssed the border! Rapid charging tops out around 0.5€/kwh and can be significantly cheaper with a small subscription in Spain. I believe the situation is pretty similar in France too. Enjoy the journey!
Gridserve have just put 3 double, 300kwh chargers, at Howdens Garden Centre in Inverness. Chargepoint Scotland have installed more chargers at UHI Campus too.
Loving this trip JP, in Ashford you weren't that far from us, were in a village between Canterbury and Faversham so we're about twenty minutes to the North. Seems like a smooth trip so far, safe journey, can't wait for the next leg. 👍
Great video. Thanks! I think the high demand for chargers at Cambridge services probably relates to the insufficiency of services (north and south) on the M11. Additional chargers will certainly help but I reckon demand will always be particularly high at this location. Thanks again!
You mentioned about cars queuing in Cambridge - how does that work in practice, as electric charging doesn’t work like traditional re-fuelling, what is to stop people pushing in and how do you know who is waiting?
I notice from the beam pattern on the garage door that your look very similar to that of my Hyundai Kona 2021 with LED lights. Did you need beam-benders to have you encountered issues with being flashed at all? TIA
epic journey and I had to check out first that island story cause I could not see that on the map. But then it dawned to me that Orkney Islands are around Scapa Flow and that is the spot I knew from the grand fleet and the U47 accounts from the german military archives. Have a nice time in spain and bring the sun home to Scottland in march or so.
Bet you are glad you set off when you did ! It is so easy to charge now. Great to see a real world example. Cambridge Ionity are always busy so glad they are expanding it - though I tend to try and get to the Tesla ones a bit further down the M11.
Charging costs are a high level, but as you say it is a small part of ownership as majority of charging is cartried out at home and super cheap. Also if you could use Tesla Superchargers all the way and paid the £8.99 membership, it would be almost half that price! Then it is still a lot cheaper than an ICE car and a complete win. Great to see your journey and that all went well.
Why you didn't sign up to the tesla chargers to start with I do not know... It's the only place I charge my kona when we do long to very long trips... Very nice videos! Can't wait for the next one 😁
@@JonathanPorterfieldif you pay the Tesla subscription you get it for 39p (12p off) or 44p (15p off the expensive rate). Also the one at Aviemore is 80-90p but 40p with the Tesla subscription. IONITY sub takes it from 79p to 43p.
Good to see how you are getting on. It must seem a doddle compared to your collection runs a few years back. I travel to Europe quite regularly, but then Torquay is a fair bit closer to mainland Europe than Orkney. My last trip was late November down to southern Italy. Down through France to the Frejus tunnel and then down the Adriatic coast. Came back in December and tried to avoid the toll roads from northern Italy to Calais, through Switzerland, Germany, Belgium and France. It was the first time I'd stopped overnight on route (finally got sensible) and stayed in Switzerland with a free overnight charge. 2016 Model S 85D 273,000 on the clock with free supercharging.
I should add that Pret A Manger does filter coffee for 99p and if you take your own cup you get 50p discount. So I've often got a coffee with oat milk at the services for 49p. Always carry a reusable cup.
I've always compared the cost of fuelling an EV versus an ICE on the basis of how many miles I can drive for every pound I spend. So far on your trip you are managing 4.6 miles for every pound spent on charging. But, as you imply, you're not trying to drive to Spain via the cheapest charging route. If that were the case you could do it for free most of the time. And as your good wife Ursula pointed out, this isn't in any way a normal or regular journey. It's an edge case example of the cost of driving an EV a very long distance. And it also shows that even if there is a small queue, you don't have any trouble finding places to charge. It was also great that you caught the infrastructure in the process of being expanded. Around 1,500 new charge points appear every month, so infrastructure is coming apace. And the speed of charger installations is growing rapidy. In 2023 the rate of installations was twice that of 2022 and it continues to increase. The future is bright. The future is EV.
Mrs P was stressed about not finding the Tesla chargers in the eurotunel entrance , then missing our train , and the dog to check in , next time we will use those tesla superchargers 👍
Before I got a Tesla I used the open to all and took out membership and you can't beat it on price the thought of paying 78p kWh seems obscene to me have fun I know you will find the price in France a lot better
I'm taking early retirement at the end of 2025. Me and the missus will be doing lots of trip in our MG ZS EV. Don't think we will be going abroad but we do intend using the whole battery for day trips. There and back around 200 miles should get us to a few nice places. We live in the north east so Scotland is no problem....just
Good video. Above 55p KwH is more expensive than petrol. You need a subscription to Tesla or IONITY. The colder weather slows charging and reduces range.
JP. Looks like you haven't updated your Navigation head unit software as you're still on the very old three screens. No wonder you had issues with your sat nav delay. The latest version is July 2024 and another update is due soon.
This plus your other video has been such an eye opener for travelling with a dog into Euroland. Thank you 🙂 (and my dog is watching too, he looked up when you were at the first tesla charger).
The Tesla HQ at Cambridge, their chargers are generally quiet. I have never waited at them. There are no services, not even a bin, it does mean Tesla prices and you can pop over the Cambridge services for the food/coffee.
Interesting stuff thanks. A couple of questions please, how do you find out which Tesla chargers are open to non Tesla cars and will the connection plug work any non Tesla? I own a VWID3
When you install the tesla app and sign up, on the homepage it will have "charge your EV, find a charger". They know that you don't own a tesla so they will only show you the chargers you can access on the map. Tesla-only chargers are hidden. All tesla sites in Europe have a CCS connector, so will work with CCS cars. Your ID3 will charge fine, just be aware of tesla's short cables at most sites. 🙂
I understand you want to do this journey without planning your charging stops but I think what it shows is you will save a lot of money if you do plan them. 50p kWh is the max I pay using Tesla in off Peak and Ionity Passport subscription when I can't use Tesla superchargers at the cheaper rate.
One piece of advice, use the Tesla chargers, there are quite a few available now and it would have been considerably cheaper (I'd also suggest taking their subscription for a month at £8.99, this gets you even cheaper rates and the amount of charging you did would have paid for itself). Tesla are also widely available across parts of Europe too, but it tends to be cheaper over there than the UK anyway. Personally, I would never pay 89p for 1Kw, not even 79p as these make it more expensive than ICE prices and I've save quite a bit with my approach.
I’m struggling with the “I have a choice” about charging just like any ice car … if you do that journey you don’t have a choice you are going to end up using an public charger … correct me if I’m wrong
I wonder if the OP meant he has a choice between chargers, charging speeds and prices? For example if you open up ZapMap at Cambrdige you will see a tonne of "choice" of public chargers. You can chose to go to a restaurant, a supermarket, a something something, or heck just hit Tesla HQ with zero services. With petrol, your choice is to go to a petrol station and that's it. You can't do something else while fueling albeit you fuel for a much shorter period of time. But then if you still wanted to go for a food, you'd have to then drive to that location and park up again. With public charging, you park up and go do a thing and forget about your car until you return.
You cheap sake it was free that day with GRIDSERVE using the app 😂, we used a few chargers on 27 th Dec on a 380 trip in our e-Niro and if you use the winter mode helps charge speeds started at 50 ish and went up to about 57, also saw a quick peak of 77, again if you use the GRIDSERVE app you get a charging curve. Great car
I an EV car+van, even when we park in long and short stay car parks Hotels B&B's there's just a not enough destination charges. Thing of it is, there cheap as chips to install compared to the 150kw DC.
So from my point of view it isn't about saying EVs are crap. They aren't in the right application. For me it is about choosing the right vehicle to do what you need it to do. Hence why they put diesel engines in trucks not petrol. Basically the pricing of public charging is extortionate and is one of the reasons people who either cannot have a home charger or high mileage drivers are better off with a diesel. For me it is about buying the right vehicle for what you need. If you are doing a trip from Orkney to Spain but your usual trips are a few miles from home and you have a home charger you can swallow the extra expense as a one off. But why can't we have the choice. An EV is no good for me pulling a caravan and using public chargers. I need a diesel car. When I retire maybe then an EV would be the sensible choice 26:39
@JonathanPorterfield yeah rediculous, and you can relax In the knowledge that virtually zero harm done to the environment or people. Those diesel twits can't say that
It is. I live in France and we pay typically between €0.45 and €0.65 for rapid chargers on the main autoroutes, cheaper if you're willing to go a km or two off the route.
Look, the electric Viking says, next year batteries will be dirt cheap solid state twice the power half the weight quicker to charge and easy to work on and recycle. So I will buy one next year
Yeah, they've been saying the same thing for years but they still can't overcome the problems with them fracturing internally, and the problems while using them in cold conditions.
They really need to get on top of that price per. If they want adoption we could do without the motorway services type high prices. Yes they need to pay for the roll out but even still.
Enjoyed watching some of the videos along with the informative information on the charging but I can't get over how expensive your trip was to recharge you're not saving any money whatsoever in fact it's costing you more money to use electric car than a diesel I can't imagine wanting to buy electric car not for the foreseeable future
It's about cost-equivalent to diesel if you subscribe (e.g. Tesla superchargers or Instavolt etc). However, the key thing you need to remember is that only applies on journeys where you don't have access to domestic charging. I crack around 15000 miles a year in my e-Niro and probably use public rapid charging for 2000 of those. The remaining 13000 miles I pay around 7p/kWh and get about 3.5- 4 miles for each, so somewhere around 2p a mile, which is a fair bit cheaper than the equivalent ICE.
What a right faff, I would have filled up in jockland, and just drove all the way down, in my bmw diesel, 65 to the gallon 800 mile range, topped up in Leon France, 60 euros, in Spain 6 hours later simples.
I understand what you are saying.That is why I was reluctant to give up my Citroen Space star similar range to your car.We are retired and I haven't done a long trip with our EV yet.Range isn't big about 150 miles.
Not pointless . I live in a flat in Glasgow and I’m public charging round the corner at 40p or tesla at 39p. I like how it is a fast car for the size (price performance ratio) 20plate e-Nero bought for £17k. I can enter a city without having to look up the LEZ legislation for that city. I can always get parked at clients and charge when the general car park is full. Eg hospital and Uni car parks. And I like the quiet car compared to my 1.6 focus I traded in.
Have you considered a "Frunk" for your e-Niro (to put your cables in). I love mine and it makes up for not having quite as big a boot as some cars: ruclips.net/video/znDolKlYCIM/видео.html
Why are you charging your car on rapid 150W at 75 p a kW and ultra rapid chargers when you could charge your EV at the same rate on a 50kW at (53 to 57p a kW) charger. The charge rate of your EV has been 30kW per hour average and has only peaked at 55kW per hour your paying 30 p a KWh to much for every kW you are using. You forgot to mention the £8.99 monthly fee to use the Tesla chargers you would have to use 20 kW 68 miles a month to break even and if you used a 50kW charger you would have to use 90kWh 306 miles a month.
It clearly works for some but i would hate to have to stop so many times and spend a fortune on costa coffees. If you dont mind the faf great but dont force us to go electric. And what about the people who dont have the means to home charge 🤷♂️ it works for some but not for everyone so dont force everyone give us the choice.
Nobody is going to be forced to travel by driving an EV. What will happen is that over the next 20 to 30 years, pollutants emitted into the air from exhaust pipes in our towns etc will be gradually reduced to near zero. I'm fine with that. When the time comes where its difficult to procure a useable ICE car and if you still don't wish to drive an EV then use public transport, even if its not as convenient.
Johnathan just for your information in our house we had three cars all petrol none of them older than two years old ok the three cars peugot 2008 automatic dacia sandero stepway manual renault austral hybrid automatic over the course of a year each of the cars did aboout 15000 miles in the tax year 2022 to 2023 a random combination of town and distance driving all three cars used about the same amount of fuel over the year big news hybrids are not cheaper the lowest costing vehicle was the dacia at an average of 17p per mile second was the renault with an average of 18p per mile third the peugot almost 19p per mile so the first leg of your journey in any of those three vehicles would have cost between £101.32 and £113.24 not as much difference as you think bearing in mind that motorway fuel services would have been more expensive so would have pushed the cost up i know for a fact that the peugot would have needed at least £120 to do that journey quoted mpg mileages for vehicles are way out and at 70 mph most cars cant manage the quoted mpg so i dont think your cost was bad at all. and i think if you had planned to use tesla charging all the way down you would have come in well under that but as you said at the beginning of the video no planning well done
The drive to charge ratio of EVs like this is terrible you 105 miles of charge every hour on a uk motorway thats 1 hour 42minutes or of driving for every hour of charging. The 31kWh charge rate of EVs like yours means they are not practical solutions for the 10 million car owners that don’t have access to home chargers. I fill my parents Corsa once a month circa 400 miles in 6 minutes. They live in a cottage with mews parking away from their house. To charge I would have to go to the local town 12 miles away sit in a petrol station 2 miles away from the supermarket for 1 hour every week. If you take into account the 2 stops you did and the charge times you averaged 32 mph if you hadn’t been lucky at the b and b the average would have been 29 mph on my last 100 mile bike ride I average 20.2 and my last trip to Newcastle 57mph including two family comfort brakes for the 6 hour journey.
Charge charge and charge again dont you all get fed up doing this does my head in just watching it. The worst bit is the insane amount of time you spent charging please include the time spent doing nothing instead of travelling.
It's become a bit of a spectator sport for me, watching all the EV owners sitting in the motorway services parked up with no heater waiting to pounce on the next available charging station 😂
@JonathanPorterfield Yeah, I've had the misfortune of using an EV on several occasions, no way I'd entertain living with one out of choice! And no, on most EVs you can't just sit around using the ancillary equipment without actually driving, if you do then it flattens the small 12 volt battery very quickly, once that is flat you're going nowhere as its needed to provide power to the various ECUs etc that control the motor and drive train. You're seriously trying to tell me you never have to wait for a charger at motorway services?
@Altair885 yes ive waited once at booths in Penrith , 2 years ago for 10 minutes, and yes with the car 'on' even on a low charge , you get heat no problem.
@@Altair885why would it flatten the 12v battery? As soon as you turn the car on the main pack contactor closes and provides power to the heater and the voltage converter that supplies 12v for the ancillary systems. Unlike an ICE vehicle the motors don’t need to run to generate electric.
@@JonathanPorterfieldI've no idea what it is either JP but videos are playing ok for me, nothing disturbing or distressing...barring your French of course!😂
@@JonathanPorterfieldIt's a relatively new "feature" of RUclips, where the audio is overdubbed by an AI voice in the native language of the person who views the video, in my case German. As of now, I as a viewer can deactivate that only on a per video basis which is massively annoying since about 75% of the videos I watch are in English and RUclips is rolling out that "feature" to more and more creators. Apparently creators can disable it for their entire channel, but it is enabled by default.
OMG definitely not getting an ev. Nightmare of a journey , so many stops at hotels. Could have done the journey in one go using a normal car and a lot cheaper
Then don't get an EV. No one is asking you to. And if you do that journey in one go, you must be peeing in a bottle. If I started in Elgin, and drove to Dover I'd probably do it in a day, with 2 stops. But the OP didn't want to drive that much in the one go. Very few people do want to do 10 hours of driving with a toilet break. Drive 4 hours. Stop, plug in, stretch, coffee, and charged. Drive for 3 hours. Stop, plug in, stretch, coffee and charged. And done. Zero time lost. Don't think it's a flex of doing it in 1 go. As with the price. Get an Ionity Passport and you can do that sort of 650 miles in less than £40. Which is 5-8p a mile. Significantly cheaper than petrol.
This is why the UK's car manufacturing sector, general manufacturing sector and the UK's economy is doing so badly, why there's no jobs, no money, not enough money to pay for public services etc etc - because Brits are increasingly buying Kia & Hyundai. These cars are anti-British and Kia will NOT buy anything manufactured in the UK, whereas all the other brand DO. DO NOT BUY KIA, UNLESS YOU DON'T MIND THE UK BECOMING THE POOREST WESTERN COUNTRY (which it is already proving to happen)
Traffic jams and caffeine are my nemeses, purely because I spend every minute worrying whether I'll need to pee any minute. So, I'm also Team Water!
Always a pleasure watching your videos and it seems like a lovely relaxing trip so far. Can't wait for the next part!
and your videos as well. i kept thinking while watching this one the Mr EV and Mr P challenge. i just need to convince my wife to go down to Pompeii from the south coast i said about taking the dog as well, in our Niro EV, it's both of your faults for planting this seed. Have a great trip Mr & Mrs P
Go for it Ian, France is amazingly easy for charging , next video is Tuesday night 👍😉
Thanks Andrew , France is SO GOOD for rapids , next video is the french leg 🦵 👌 out Tuesday night ,6pm
@@JonathanPorterfieldCheck out the IECharge on the way through France. Some chargers well off the beaten track near the smaller towns. Up to 350kw chargers and cheaper than Tesla too.. €0.25 per kw in early December..
@@JonathanPorterfield Well done getting the videos out so quickly!
Every time I read comments on videos such as this and other EV channels, the inevitable anti everything brigade make me think of "The Four Yorkshire men" sketch. I envisage them sitting in a pub somewhere and the conversation going something along the lines of, "Oh, aye, I remember when we all drove diesel cars, and what a marvel they were! You'd turn the key, and the whole street would vibrate with the sound of that powerful engine. We’d drive a 1000 miles non stop, getting 200 miles to the gallon, feeling every one of those miles. None of this silent, soulless hum of today’s electric vehicles. Back then, you had the smell of diesel in the morning, a real sense of adventure. Nowadays, it's all quiet and clean, no character at all. And where's the fun in that, I ask you? Kids these days, they don’t know what they’re missing."
EV’s are the future and the petrol heads can kick and scream but they cannot stop the evolution 😁
Thanks for documenting this epic voyage in the e-Niro. You probably came near my place on your way down to northern Spain which I believe was your planned route. We and our 2019 e-Niro are 10 km from the N10 between Poitiers and Angouleme. We've just done a 370 km round trip to Bordeaux today, taking my daughter to get her flight back to UK. Now on 114,000 km so about 70,000 miles. Feel free to drop in on your way back for a cuppa. ☺
Wonderful watch...and outing. Thank you from the mist in Chard South Somerset
As has been said we may spend 2 to 3 weeks away from home , if your still in work, on your holidays and may taking on electrons at a higher cost but for the rest of the year your plugged in at home or membership to cheaper charging near home or work, it's the cost over a year that counts covering all aspects of ownership.
I think it's still worth planning your charging stops on any trip.
It isn't the same as using an ICE where there is very little diffence in price from one fuel stop to the next.
A journey like the one Jonathon and his wife are doing is probably about 4000 miles in total when you take in to account any local running around as well.
The 40p difference per kWH between the most expensive and cheapest chargers is likely to mean a couple of hundred pounds difference in the total cost of this one trip.
Even if I have to do half an hours planning my stops its got to be worth it.
Exactly it’s the total cost of ownership over the time you own the vehicle, depends on your driving needs / habits , my car has been paid off now for 8 years and on average over the year I put £15 per week of petrol in , may as well keep it til it dies , changing for an EV or any other car makes no sense at all
Yes - ICE drivers don't get 90% discount on the fuel they use when they're home based!
@@johnjaap1691 Yep my spreadsheets for both the PHEV and now EV always looked at cost per mile over the whole year and ownership cycle of the vehicle. even with the enormous cost of power on motorways because thats only a fraction of my mileage - the rest being cheap rate at home - I'm still well ahead.
Yesterday, my daughter went for ski lessons at The Snow Dome; bearing in mind she was skiing well at age 3, but has forgotten it all in the 9 years in-between.
For curiosities’ sake, I decided to see if it were possible to drive my elderly Kia Soul EV (2016, 90 ish mile range), to the French resort where I first took her skiing (roughly 850 miles each way).
It CAN be done, although with 20-22 stops for charging !! There are even a dozen 3-22KW chargers in the tiny ski resort as well.
I think a lot of the stress is that you are outside your comfort zone, and way from your known charger networks.
I live in France and they have been rapidly building the charging network. I use an app called IECharge at .30 cents kWh. Some stations are next door to sub stations in middle of know where. You can use it on a uk phone. Enjoy Spain
Thanks for the tips 😀 😊
I drove from Swindon via Montpeliier to Salou, in an ID3 58KW. Very easy journey. Mostly used Ionity and Fastned. It was pretty straightforward no dramas from the car or range anxiety.
You will be glad to have crosssed the border! Rapid charging tops out around 0.5€/kwh and can be significantly cheaper with a small subscription in Spain. I believe the situation is pretty similar in France too. Enjoy the journey!
My diesel gets 32mpg average, 44 on a motorway trip. I'm here cause I'm buying an e-niro.
You'll love the e niro 👍👏👏😊
Very envious. Winter in Southern Spain. Bliss! Have a great trip.
Judith Chalmers has got nothing on this ! Very entertaining. Have a lovely holiday !
Thank you 🤣🤣👍
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One advantage of an electric car in the train is you can run the air con in summer and heater in winter
@@geoffjolliffe6509 They always tell you to switch off and put it in first 😂
@dougowt they tell you to switch engine off which odf course electric cars dont have
Well done very entertaining keep up the good work, waiting for the next one😊
Thank you so much 😁
great video , one question on Tesla membership , so you can use any Tesla supercharging site anywhere in the uk and Europe if you join as a member ?
Yes !
Gridserve have just put 3 double, 300kwh chargers, at Howdens Garden Centre in Inverness. Chargepoint Scotland have installed more chargers at UHI Campus too.
Loved this. Really looking forward to part 2,3,4,5,6,7….
I hope you both have a really nice break 😘
Excellent video Johnathan, great supermarket and cafe at Booths and handy for the Osprey chargers if you can get them to work!
Loving this trip JP, in Ashford you weren't that far from us, were in a village between Canterbury and Faversham so we're about twenty minutes to the North. Seems like a smooth trip so far, safe journey, can't wait for the next leg. 👍
Thanks Jude 👍
Great video. Thanks! I think the high demand for chargers at Cambridge services probably relates to the insufficiency of services (north and south) on the M11. Additional chargers will certainly help but I reckon demand will always be particularly high at this location. Thanks again!
You mentioned about cars queuing in Cambridge - how does that work in practice, as electric charging doesn’t work like traditional re-fuelling, what is to stop people pushing in and how do you know who is waiting?
Thank you both, love the content, would like to go to France via the chunnel, so am watching with interest.
I notice from the beam pattern on the garage door that your look very similar to that of my Hyundai Kona 2021 with LED lights. Did you need beam-benders to have you encountered issues with being flashed at all? TIA
No flashing from other drivers at all here in France or Spain
Good to see a real world experience that I’ll be doing myself sometime soon.
19.24 make sure its pushed in nice and hard - that's my motto to 😂
epic journey and I had to check out first that island story cause I could not see that on the map.
But then it dawned to me that Orkney Islands are around Scapa Flow and that is the spot I knew from the grand fleet and the U47 accounts from the german military archives.
Have a nice time in spain and bring the sun home to Scottland in march or so.
Bet you are glad you set off when you did !
It is so easy to charge now. Great to see a real world example.
Cambridge Ionity are always busy so glad they are expanding it - though I tend to try and get to the Tesla ones a bit further down the M11.
Charging costs are a high level, but as you say it is a small part of ownership as majority of charging is cartried out at home and super cheap. Also if you could use Tesla Superchargers all the way and paid the £8.99 membership, it would be almost half that price! Then it is still a lot cheaper than an ICE car and a complete win. Great to see your journey and that all went well.
Why you didn't sign up to the tesla chargers to start with I do not know... It's the only place I charge my kona when we do long to very long trips... Very nice videos! Can't wait for the next one 😁
Yes , Ive learnt my lesson , Tesla SC now for the rest of our trip 👍👍
@@JonathanPorterfieldif you pay the Tesla subscription you get it for 39p (12p off) or 44p (15p off the expensive rate). Also the one at Aviemore is 80-90p but 40p with the Tesla subscription.
IONITY sub takes it from 79p to 43p.
@@JonathanPorterfield could have used Tesla at Cambridge
And an Ionity Euro Passport can get the price down to 43p a kWh.
@@colinwiseman with the Tesla subscription im paying around 26p
Good to see how you are getting on. It must seem a doddle compared to your collection runs a few years back. I travel to Europe quite regularly, but then Torquay is a fair bit closer to mainland Europe than Orkney. My last trip was late November down to southern Italy. Down through France to the Frejus tunnel and then down the Adriatic coast. Came back in December and tried to avoid the toll roads from northern Italy to Calais, through Switzerland, Germany, Belgium and France. It was the first time I'd stopped overnight on route (finally got sensible) and stayed in Switzerland with a free overnight charge. 2016 Model S 85D 273,000 on the clock with free supercharging.
I should add that Pret A Manger does filter coffee for 99p and if you take your own cup you get 50p discount. So I've often got a coffee with oat milk at the services for 49p. Always carry a reusable cup.
Brilliant Doug 👏
Can you not change your lights to the EU setting when you changed from MPH to KM? I do this in my 330e.
Yes it does it automatically
I used to do three London to Copenhagen and back, high security loads a week ,( two drivers).
Enjoying the videos. Does Electroserve work on Gridserve chargers?
Nope !
In regards to cost vs petrol or diesel, remember motorway fuel costs are also extortionate 😂
Yes but people don’t stop for fuel, so prices are irrelevant.
@ I’m not sure what you mean by this?
I've always compared the cost of fuelling an EV versus an ICE on the basis of how many miles I can drive for every pound I spend. So far on your trip you are managing 4.6 miles for every pound spent on charging. But, as you imply, you're not trying to drive to Spain via the cheapest charging route. If that were the case you could do it for free most of the time. And as your good wife Ursula pointed out, this isn't in any way a normal or regular journey. It's an edge case example of the cost of driving an EV a very long distance. And it also shows that even if there is a small queue, you don't have any trouble finding places to charge. It was also great that you caught the infrastructure in the process of being expanded. Around 1,500 new charge points appear every month, so infrastructure is coming apace. And the speed of charger installations is growing rapidy. In 2023 the rate of installations was twice that of 2022 and it continues to increase. The future is bright. The future is EV.
No idea why you went to Dobbies in the rain while there are Tesla chargers at the Eurotunnel
Mrs P was stressed about not finding the Tesla chargers in the eurotunel entrance , then missing our train , and the dog to check in , next time we will use those tesla superchargers 👍
I see. No need to stress because if you miss the train you’ve booked they will just let you on the next one FOC 👍🏻
@thelifeofbatteries2603 i know , but try telling Mrs P that !
Before I got a Tesla I used the open to all and took out membership and you can't beat it on price the thought of paying 78p kWh seems obscene to me have fun I know you will find the price in France a lot better
Happy new year
I'm taking early retirement at the end of 2025. Me and the missus will be doing lots of trip in our MG ZS EV. Don't think we will be going abroad but we do intend using the whole battery for day trips. There and back around 200 miles should get us to a few nice places. We live in the north east so Scotland is no problem....just
Good video. Above 55p KwH is more expensive than petrol. You need a subscription to Tesla or IONITY. The colder weather slows charging and reduces range.
We should all avoid expensive chargers like instavolt at 89p.
JP. Looks like you haven't updated your Navigation head unit software as you're still on the very old three screens. No wonder you had issues with your sat nav delay. The latest version is July 2024 and another update is due soon.
This plus your other video has been such an eye opener for travelling with a dog into Euroland. Thank you 🙂 (and my dog is watching too, he looked up when you were at the first tesla charger).
The Tesla HQ at Cambridge, their chargers are generally quiet. I have never waited at them. There are no services, not even a bin, it does mean Tesla prices and you can pop over the Cambridge services for the food/coffee.
(Bar Hill if you look it up. There are two Tesla charging locations in the area)
Interesting stuff thanks. A couple of questions please, how do you find out which Tesla chargers are open to non Tesla cars and will the connection plug work any non Tesla? I own a VWID3
When you install the tesla app and sign up, on the homepage it will have "charge your EV, find a charger". They know that you don't own a tesla so they will only show you the chargers you can access on the map. Tesla-only chargers are hidden. All tesla sites in Europe have a CCS connector, so will work with CCS cars. Your ID3 will charge fine, just be aware of tesla's short cables at most sites. 🙂
The Tesla app will show you which ones are open to all (CCS) EVs.
We need a link to Ursula's kettle...
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Great Thank you. @@JonathanPorterfield
I understand you want to do this journey without planning your charging stops but I think what it shows is you will save a lot of money if you do plan them.
50p kWh is the max I pay using Tesla in off Peak and Ionity Passport subscription when I can't use Tesla superchargers at the cheaper rate.
One piece of advice, use the Tesla chargers, there are quite a few available now and it would have been considerably cheaper (I'd also suggest taking their subscription for a month at £8.99, this gets you even cheaper rates and the amount of charging you did would have paid for itself).
Tesla are also widely available across parts of Europe too, but it tends to be cheaper over there than the UK anyway.
Personally, I would never pay 89p for 1Kw, not even 79p as these make it more expensive than ICE prices and I've save quite a bit with my approach.
I’m struggling with the “I have a choice” about charging just like any ice car … if you do that journey you don’t have a choice you are going to end up using an public charger … correct me if I’m wrong
I wonder if the OP meant he has a choice between chargers, charging speeds and prices?
For example if you open up ZapMap at Cambrdige you will see a tonne of "choice" of public chargers. You can chose to go to a restaurant, a supermarket, a something something, or heck just hit Tesla HQ with zero services. With petrol, your choice is to go to a petrol station and that's it. You can't do something else while fueling albeit you fuel for a much shorter period of time. But then if you still wanted to go for a food, you'd have to then drive to that location and park up again. With public charging, you park up and go do a thing and forget about your car until you return.
saw my first 2nd hand Hyundai nexo on autotrader , shame you cant take it on the Le Shuttle (eurotunnel) Hydrogen what a failure
Was 40ish your max on Gridserve ? That was what my Niro EV was pulling on Xmas day and I was worried there was something wrong with my car
Cold battery reduces charge rates , and local grid supply
You cheap sake it was free that day with GRIDSERVE using the app 😂, we used a few chargers on 27 th Dec on a 380 trip in our e-Niro and if you use the winter mode helps charge speeds started at 50 ish and went up to about 57, also saw a quick peak of 77, again if you use the GRIDSERVE app you get a charging curve. Great car
Im going to hazard a guess that it will cost around 260-280 quid in fuel assuming that rapid chargers are being used
I an EV car+van, even when we park in long and short stay car parks Hotels B&B's there's just a not enough destination charges.
Thing of it is, there cheap as chips to install compared to the 150kw DC.
I think you proved the point if you had an ICE vehicle you would not have had range anxieity when you set off!
So from my point of view it isn't about saying EVs are crap. They aren't in the right application. For me it is about choosing the right vehicle to do what you need it to do. Hence why they put diesel engines in trucks not petrol.
Basically the pricing of public charging is extortionate and is one of the reasons people who either cannot have a home charger or high mileage drivers are better off with a diesel. For me it is about buying the right vehicle for what you need. If you are doing a trip from Orkney to Spain but your usual trips are a few miles from home and you have a home charger you can swallow the extra expense as a one off. But why can't we have the choice. An EV is no good for me pulling a caravan and using public chargers. I need a diesel car. When I retire maybe then an EV would be the sensible choice 26:39
Since I changed to an EV a few years ago I've lost track of motorway garage petrol prices . Was that price for motorway garages?
how about comparing the cost of that to the same journey by rail!!
Probably 5 times the cost , i looked into a train from Thurso to Shoreham, it was around £600 and 3 days !
@JonathanPorterfield yeah rediculous, and you can relax In the knowledge that virtually zero harm done to the environment or people. Those diesel twits can't say that
Do you have any mods on your E-Niro? I got my Sister a Frunk mod for her E-Niro 4+ with gas struts.
The rear camwipe brush is brilliant, keeps the rear camera clear and clean 👌
As was watching was thinking gonna be much cheaper in France.
It is. I live in France and we pay typically between €0.45 and €0.65 for rapid chargers on the main autoroutes, cheaper if you're willing to go a km or two off the route.
Look, the electric Viking says, next year batteries will be dirt cheap solid state twice the power half the weight quicker to charge and easy to work on and recycle. So I will buy one next year
Yeah, they've been saying the same thing for years but they still can't overcome the problems with them fracturing internally, and the problems while using them in cold conditions.
Mmm...the electric viking says a lot of things, some of it complete nonsense.
If I had known I would have recommended avoiding Sandbach. Horrible place imo.
Comfort break is king though! 👍
Totally agree
They really need to get on top of that price per. If they want adoption we could do without the motorway services type high prices. Yes they need to pay for the roll out but even still.
A faff with different apps and accounts,should just be contactless visa/mastercard etc
40 mins on the m6 isnt the worst! Sadly.
Enjoyed watching some of the videos along with the informative information on the charging but I can't get over how expensive your trip was to recharge you're not saving any money whatsoever in fact it's costing you more money to use electric car than a diesel I can't imagine wanting to buy electric car not for the foreseeable future
This trip down through France is MUCH less , no spoilers , but its surprising how much more we are paying in the uk for public charging !
@@JonathanPorterfield Surprising? Gas Electric Rates we are ripped off with everything no surprising anymore.
It's about cost-equivalent to diesel if you subscribe (e.g. Tesla superchargers or Instavolt etc). However, the key thing you need to remember is that only applies on journeys where you don't have access to domestic charging. I crack around 15000 miles a year in my e-Niro and probably use public rapid charging for 2000 of those. The remaining 13000 miles I pay around 7p/kWh and get about 3.5- 4 miles for each, so somewhere around 2p a mile, which is a fair bit cheaper than the equivalent ICE.
What a right faff, I would have filled up in jockland, and just drove all the way down, in my bmw diesel, 65 to the gallon 800 mile range, topped up in Leon France, 60 euros, in Spain 6 hours later simples.
I understand what you are saying.That is why I was reluctant to give up my Citroen Space star similar range to your car.We are retired and I haven't done a long trip with our EV yet.Range isn't big about 150 miles.
They are choosing to only drive max 4hrs a day and stop overnight. It’s their choice not what the car will do you dafty.
Do it on a push bike then, ev don't work road trips simples
Most ppl stop for toilets and food so so there's not much difference.
@@chrishanslip6443 seems like it does work.
Public charging in the UK is an utter rip-off - if you can't charge at home it's completely pointless having an EV, sadly.
Not pointless . I live in a flat in Glasgow and I’m public charging round the corner at 40p or tesla at 39p. I like how it is a fast car for the size (price performance ratio) 20plate e-Nero bought for £17k.
I can enter a city without having to look up the LEZ legislation for that city.
I can always get parked at clients and charge when the general car park is full. Eg hospital and Uni car parks.
And I like the quiet car compared to my 1.6 focus I traded in.
it's not pointless, just avoid ripoff Instavolt, Gridserve and Osprey
Have you considered a "Frunk" for your e-Niro (to put your cables in). I love mine and it makes up for not having quite as big a boot as some cars:
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One day I will be able to afford a longer range Ev😆 hopefully my wee Zoë22 will last a bit longer.
Why are you charging your car on rapid 150W at 75 p a kW and ultra rapid chargers when you could charge your EV at the same rate on a 50kW at (53 to 57p a kW) charger. The charge rate of your EV has been 30kW per hour average and has only peaked at 55kW per hour your paying 30 p a KWh to much for every kW you are using. You forgot to mention the £8.99 monthly fee to use the Tesla chargers you would have to use 20 kW 68 miles a month to break even and if you used a 50kW charger you would have to use 90kWh 306 miles a month.
It clearly works for some but i would hate to have to stop so many times and spend a fortune on costa coffees. If you dont mind the faf great but dont force us to go electric. And what about the people who dont have the means to home charge 🤷♂️ it works for some but not for everyone so dont force everyone give us the choice.
battery tech is improving all the time, solid state in a few years. fully charge in 15mins and 450miles expected. by 2030 probably even better.
Nobody is going to be forced to travel by driving an EV. What will happen is that over the next 20 to 30 years, pollutants emitted into the air from exhaust pipes in our towns etc will be gradually reduced to near zero. I'm fine with that. When the time comes where its difficult to procure a useable ICE car and if you still don't wish to drive an EV then use public transport, even if its not as convenient.
What a lot of faffing about I’ll stick with my v8 👍
Johnathan
just for your information in our house we had three cars all petrol none of them older than two years old ok the three cars peugot 2008 automatic dacia sandero stepway manual renault austral hybrid automatic over the course of a year each of the cars did aboout 15000 miles in the tax year 2022 to 2023 a random combination of town and distance driving all three cars used about the same amount of fuel over the year big news hybrids are not cheaper the lowest costing vehicle was the dacia at an average of 17p per mile second was the renault with an average of 18p per mile third the peugot almost 19p per mile so the first leg of your journey in any of those three vehicles would have cost between £101.32 and £113.24 not as much difference as you think bearing in mind that motorway fuel services would have been more expensive so would have pushed the cost up i know for a fact that the peugot would have needed at least £120 to do that journey quoted mpg mileages for vehicles are way out and at 70 mph most cars cant manage the quoted mpg so i dont think your cost was bad at all.
and i think if you had planned to use tesla charging all the way down you would have come in well under that but as you said at the beginning of the video no planning well done
Thanks for watching and your comments 🙂
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The drive to charge ratio of EVs like this is terrible you 105 miles of charge every hour on a uk motorway thats 1 hour 42minutes or of driving for every hour of charging. The 31kWh charge rate of EVs like yours means they are not practical solutions for the 10 million car owners that don’t have access to home chargers. I fill my parents Corsa once a month circa 400 miles in 6 minutes. They live in a cottage with mews parking away from their house. To charge I would have to go to the local town 12 miles away sit in a petrol station 2 miles away from the supermarket for 1 hour every week.
If you take into account the 2 stops you did and the charge times you averaged 32 mph if you hadn’t been lucky at the b and b the average would have been 29 mph on my last 100 mile bike ride I average 20.2 and my last trip to Newcastle 57mph including two family comfort brakes for the 6 hour journey.
Charge charge and charge again dont you all get fed up doing this does my head in just watching it. The worst bit is the insane amount of time you spent charging please include the time spent doing nothing instead of travelling.
How many days 🤣 two days in a sprinter. Yer I'm a courier but even down to my malaga holiday home doesn't take as long as this .
It's become a bit of a spectator sport for me, watching all the EV owners sitting in the motorway services parked up with no heater waiting to pounce on the next available charging station 😂
Go away
If i ever wait ( cant remember the last time i did !) I use the heater as it takes so little energy from the battery , please be better informed 🙏 🙂
@JonathanPorterfield Yeah, I've had the misfortune of using an EV on several occasions, no way I'd entertain living with one out of choice! And no, on most EVs you can't just sit around using the ancillary equipment without actually driving, if you do then it flattens the small 12 volt battery very quickly, once that is flat you're going nowhere as its needed to provide power to the various ECUs etc that control the motor and drive train.
You're seriously trying to tell me you never have to wait for a charger at motorway services?
@Altair885 yes ive waited once at booths in Penrith , 2 years ago for 10 minutes, and yes with the car 'on' even on a low charge , you get heat no problem.
@@Altair885why would it flatten the 12v battery? As soon as you turn the car on the main pack contactor closes and provides power to the heater and the voltage converter that supplies 12v for the ancillary systems. Unlike an ICE vehicle the motors don’t need to run to generate electric.
Had to turn it off, the dog's whimpering sound triggered me and talk of toilet use is so unnecessary and cringeworthy.
🤣🤣🤣👏👏 we all need to go at some point !
Why are these vdeos taking so long… oh yes i forgot… its an EV… 🇬🇧🚜🏴
Please deactivate auto synchronisation on your channel. That's a horrible feature a viewer apparently can't turn off permanently.
Please, I beg you!
Ive no idea what 'auto synchronisation' is ?
Please explain ?
Love these videos. Hope you and your wife and your dog have a absolutely fabulous holiday!!!
@@JonathanPorterfieldI've no idea what it is either JP but videos are playing ok for me, nothing disturbing or distressing...barring your French of course!😂
@georgehiggins3103 Thanks George 😊 its all great so far , France is amazing for smooth roads and lots of rapid chargers 😀 👍
@@JonathanPorterfieldIt's a relatively new "feature" of RUclips, where the audio is overdubbed by an AI voice in the native language of the person who views the video, in my case German.
As of now, I as a viewer can deactivate that only on a per video basis which is massively annoying since about 75% of the videos I watch are in English and RUclips is rolling out that "feature" to more and more creators.
Apparently creators can disable it for their entire channel, but it is enabled by default.
OMG definitely not getting an ev. Nightmare of a journey , so many stops at hotels. Could have done the journey in one go using a normal car and a lot cheaper
I would have stopped the same amount of times , as im old !
And its also LAW in France / Spain not to drive for over 4 hours without a break !
Then don't get an EV. No one is asking you to.
And if you do that journey in one go, you must be peeing in a bottle.
If I started in Elgin, and drove to Dover I'd probably do it in a day, with 2 stops. But the OP didn't want to drive that much in the one go. Very few people do want to do 10 hours of driving with a toilet break. Drive 4 hours. Stop, plug in, stretch, coffee, and charged. Drive for 3 hours. Stop, plug in, stretch, coffee and charged. And done.
Zero time lost.
Don't think it's a flex of doing it in 1 go.
As with the price. Get an Ionity Passport and you can do that sort of 650 miles in less than £40. Which is 5-8p a mile. Significantly cheaper than petrol.
This is why the UK's car manufacturing sector, general manufacturing sector and the UK's economy is doing so badly, why there's no jobs, no money, not enough money to pay for public services etc etc - because Brits are increasingly buying Kia & Hyundai. These cars are anti-British and Kia will NOT buy anything manufactured in the UK, whereas all the other brand DO.
DO NOT BUY KIA, UNLESS YOU DON'T MIND THE UK BECOMING THE POOREST WESTERN COUNTRY (which it is already proving to happen)
Maybe if the UK built good quality cars like kia and Hyundai products, then there may be an alternative for the uk buying public 🤔
What are you going to do when the Chinese start arriving en masse? 😅