Upgrade your Klipsch RP-600M! pt.2
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this weeks Tech Talk, Danny Richie from GR-Research walks us through part 2 of upgrading the Klipsch RP-600m's, taking them to a whole new level.
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I just called GR and thought I was talking to one of the employees, the man seemed to be super knowledgeable, was inquiring about adding NoRez to the doghouse of my LaScallas. He continued with technical talk and improvements it would make. Found out I was talking to the man himself, Danny.. told him other than meeting PW Klipsch many years ago it was the biggest honor I have experienced in my audio journey. What a great guy. As backed up as they are now he took the time to visit for almost 15 min. For anyone considering their products, Danny is extremely knowledgeable and truly cares about helping people no matter what they own.
OK, that's it. The least "handy" man in the world is gonna give this a shot, lol! I've got a pair of 600M's I picked up for a good price as an open box from Safe and Sound about a month ago, and while they do sound decent, that box is noisy and thin. I've quietly lurked on the outskirts of the DIY community for some time, and this is something I think I can handle. No cutting or finishing boxes, just a crossover. It feels like a safe starting point. Worst case scenario is I'm out a pair of speakers I really didn't NEED in the first place! I can't tell you how much I appreciate this series. I've needed a way to have my hand held through the process in order to feel comfortable doing an upgrade and this is it! I'm so interested in the DIY audio community but to someone who doesn't have the skills to begin with it's pretty intimidating. Thank you Ron and Danny. Sincerely.
Best of luck man! You got this!
best of luck, I'm like yourself, take your time, let us know how you get on and how the sound improvement goes
I totally agree with Joseph on this. I'm in the same exact position. The only thing I wish they would add to these videos is maybe some close ups of the work being done. This would just make it much easier to see what is being talked about during the process.
Thank you for putting together all those words so nicely so that all I have to do is jump in and say, "ditto!"
Worst case scenario you can always use it for firewood, lol.
Moving the camera in so we’re close to the network would help a heap. For example, seeing close up how you’ve twisted the wires before soldering would be very helpful. Also, layout of the network components, too. For the capable but inexperienced in these matters clear, up close picture are worth several thousand words. Tx for the videos.
You are an honest, knowledgeable, cool dude. Your sharings make a ton of sense so many thanks for that.
Keep on man!
Everybody talks about the klipsch 600m but never have I ever met someone with so much knowledge and such an objective opinion...I love it🔥
Just got mine now because of this video
holy cow. that was the most useful video i've seen in a long while. i'm an electrician but i've never felt comfortable assembling a crossover buuut, .. now that i've watched a pro do it, all the methods are logical and clear as day. thank u for sharing the full build process and logic involved in the steps. great stuff. i look forward to building a pair of your speakers when im not broke
I completed the upgrade a couple of days ago and I have to say, it is a very worth while upgrade. My first impression, they sound really good. The presentation is much more in focus. The notes are more defined and the imaging is more precise. The bass seems to be a little tighter also.I have two pairs of these speakers so it’s was easy to do a comparison before and after.
Did you A/B the tube/stock connections? Do they rely make such difference?
@@Kraljushkin My Audioquest speaker cables already had banana plugs on them. So I didn't use both sides of the tube connectors. So, no I didn't do an A/B comparison.
Do they sound more bright then before ?
This is the perfect medium for you Danny. Much more accessible than forums and way easier to bypass the chaff. Congrats.
Great video Danny 👍. Can’t wait for my 8000f’s to get there and see what improvements you can make to them 👌. Keep up the great work
Great video! Just wanted to thank Danny for helping with a project upgrading crossovers in a pair of Klipsch KG3.2's! I had never done a crossover so I was pretty intimidated by the process. Danny set me up with all Sonicaps and Air coil inductors and WOW do these sound amazing now! Thank You Danny and Thank you Ron for making these videos possible!
Danny, this was very informative. The only comment I would make is set you camera above you or higher so we can see the details of the installation without your hand blocking our view. Thanks for everything
It would be great if you compared your crossover vs the Klipsch.
ty danny you are the best helping all of us get better sound for a few dollars
This is the best DIY speaker channel I have found yet! You got my do it yourself juices going. I understand the process, build the network, the foam, and the disassembly-assembly. Ok I also found the online store and I think I will get the X-LS Encore kit with the upgrades and foam.
I’m not a audiophile or DIY guy but that was a very relaxing watch. The dude is the Bob Ross of DIY audio upgrades.
Thanks, Danny & Ron. Thank you , Danny for taking time out of your schedule to provide some explanation along with hands on video. You answered one of my questions in the process of no-rez and air space. Great vid! You truly are the Martha Stewart of network board texture and design. 😁👍.... Thanks, guys..✌️
Awsome video. I wish ask Paul had a little more detail. Tech talk Tuesday’s, ask Paul and the audiophiliac have all done a great service to the hobby. Thanks and keep the vidoes coming. How about a video on using rew or another cheap room measuring software and how you do your sub intergration for the phase measurements. Since below 200 hz measurements don’t work well in room.
Hi Danny. I'm late to this party, but appreciate these videos. I've seen that stainless water container before. I have one exactly like it. Dates back to late 70s. ;-)
If *Mr. Rogers* was into speaker upgrades :) Wonderful educational video! Thank you!
Well done, I would love to see a frequency graph of the original ones and the ones you have upgraded!
Audio Electronics look at part 1
How to Improve the Klipsch RP-600M! ruclips.net/video/arYwrAtcJZY/видео.html
Check it all out at this link: www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=166535.0
hi danny! where to buy the kit? thank you!
I would like to see a broom stick brace to stiffen the side plates. Could create problems further up the frequency range, but it would be interesting to try the knock test afterwards.
That would really help and if it doesn't take up much air space should not be a problem.
I couldn't agree more Impuls.
I some years ago partially designed and built a smallish pair of Transmission lines. Well, as smallish as it's possible to build a real transmission line anyway.
The Transmission line cabinet is automatically very stiff and dead. Especially with a small amount of bracing. I always used sections of the adhesive black tar sheet, like they use for sound deadening in vehicles, in the centre of any portions of inner cabinet that could resonate.
You can rap on them till your knuckles bleed. You won't hear so much as a peep.
I would never buy a commercial speaker. By the time you have sorted them out, you might have as well as just build em from scratch.
The crossovers are very often shite, with crap components. Don't get me started on the shitty thin, ringing boxes they sell as supposed speaker cabinets.
A musical instrument is designed to have a certain sound, flavour or voice. A loudspeaker, on the other hand absolutely should NOT. It should get out of the way, as it were.
Most speaker cabinets under a grand leave something to be desired.
OHHH BTW. I was very lucky at the time, I managed to find a bloke with FOUR corresponding/consecutive veneers from the same flitch, of the most gorgeous Birds Eye Maple. For ninety quid too. Bargain of the decade.
So I finished them in matching Birds Eye Maple. Each one is the mirror image of it's Brother. Every side, even on the matching sand and shot filled box stands.
But, YES indeed mate. A dead, non resonant cabinet is an essential foundation. If the box is shit, it doesn't matter what you stick in it.
Geez your good Danny good teaching.
Do you sell the complete soldered product as opposed to getting parts?
I was thinking the same thing if he sells the kits it would be nice
Been hanging out for this, even watched the ads to help support your channel :)
Thank you!
Hi Danny, I have a set of vintage Celestion DL 12's and would like to replace the iron core inductors with air core. I didn't see you mention how you find
the length of the wire when converting from Iron core to air. The only thing that I know for sure is that the air core wire will be much longer. Is there
a conversion formula from Iron core to air core? Love your videos and thank you!!!
Looking good! Would you show a close-up of your wire twisting technique? I'm having a hard time visualizing it. I'm sure when you've done it many times, it comes as 2nd nature. Thanks!
Follow the pictures in this thread: www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83325.msg805215#msg805215
Been looking forward to this
Can I build these in Europe? Either through buying your kits or get a parts & specifications list and donate something for your work?
I love Klipsch speakers and would love to hear how my RP-600M's perform with these modifications.
Also, it would be great if you could get your finished speakers in the hands of someone like CNET's Audiophiliac, Steve Guttenberg, who is really into horn-loaded speakers and has lived with and rave reviewed the 600M's to get his trusted opinion. Would anything like that be possible and interesting for you?
I have a number of these kits being shipped to Europe next week. Sending it over to you is no problem.
And a review of the upgrade is coming.
@@dannyrichie9743 Thanks so much for your reply Danny! Your videos are a joy to watch. Sharing your expertise and great step-by-step builds really made me want to take the step into DIY.
Hello, will there be something about Klipsch rp260?
Now that I watched a few videos of Yours, I get confused. In some You say I gotta send in my LS to You, in others You say You don't have enough time to do all that. Do You have eg a crossover kit for the RF 280?
I was sad to see this video end😭
One more to go.
It would be nice to see a drawing of how it is all connected on the board.
The video shows how to connect the parts to the board.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and skills. I had wondered about the questions you answered after the last video.
Also I tried what you advised with pointing super tweeters straight up and it really works well (looks weird) so thanks again 👍😆
Any idea when the kit will be available to purchase also is possible to just purchase the crossover parts from you if we already have some no rez
Kits are available. Just call to order. And I can deduct from the kit the cost of the sheet of No Rez.
I purchased the kit, and I'm getting ready to start modifying my speakers. I've watched all three videos, and you made a comment in this one about scanning a completed board to use for a pattern. I have a scrap piece of plexiglass from which to make the boards, and it would be nice to have a drilling template. I've looked through the comments here, and the bulletin board too, and can't find a template. Where can I get that?
I think this vid is going to blow up guys. Was a good watch much appreciated! But legit can we get an in-depth video on those little open baffle stand mounts that Mr Richie does haha fingers crossed its in the pipeline
Awesome video to see you put cross over together.
1. Was tweeter in reverse polarity on original Klipsch design as well?
2. What is gained by reversing polarity on the tweeter?
3. Can polarity on a tweeter be tried both ways in reverse and not and is it ok for tweeter to be tried and tested both ways?
1. No, the phase was not reversed on the original.
2. Reversing it shifted the phase to keep them more acoustically aligned.
3. Which way it is oriented depends on the order of the crossover.
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us! This gives me great hope that i can do this myself!
Thanks for great study.Is this documented on somewhere else so that we can copy? list of components, assembly schematic? Many thanks for your support.
Awesome work man!
Croosovers that you build do you test them for signal comparisons? Are there differences? Where do you source your components from? Im new to your channel so my questions may be redundant or simple as i am new to this thank you in advance.
Instead of Zip Ties you could just hot glue or silicone it. Heavy caps and inductors I Zip tie and silicone them.
(commented too soon!-) )
Guy owns his own speaker company I don’t think he needs you help
@@MrStingraybernard And I'm building plate amps for 3 $30,000 pairs right now.
People on RUclips have no chill, Jesus
Do you, or could you please make a kit for Polk LSiM 703s?
I think some sticky back felt can damp those speakers
Felt is not a damper, but some of the left over pieced of No Rez (that comes in the kit) is ideal for that.
A link to the parts kit would be nice. Tried to join the GR site, but not a fruitful effort.
They should really send some sort of board to mount the components to with the kit.
Ask us for some and we can cut a couple for you.
@@dannyrichie9743 already done with my install but thanks
I don't know which of the crossover circuits are going to the tweeter and which one is going to the woofer, so for convention, I'm assuming that your "top" circuit on the diagram is going to the tweeter. I noticed that the negative input of the signal into the tweeter crossover is going into the "positiver terminal of the tweeter. Is this intentional or did you mislabel the output of the tweeter crossover and the designations of the output of the circuit should be swapped?
send klipsch this video, great job!!!
The wiring part scares me. Even more than the crossover itself.
The wiring is very easy.
Nicely done Danny. This project makes sense because Klipsch really hit a home run with its woofer. Just look at all the cheap shortcuts it made, yet even stock the speakers are awesome. It would be nice to have a short aside showing how to tame the horrid metal basket...maybe you already show that in another video. Paper mache with a string binding works well.
I don't know why anybody would actually _keep_ the old, cheap (magnetic!!!) binding posts instead of replacing both, that seems silly. Did I misunderstand? Better to have folks test the difference on just the output plates of the speakers before doing all the other work. And your single-input wiring defeats biwiring and biamping, which in the days of good, affordable amps seems like a missed opportunity. But those are just quips, once more, well done!
Will we get to hear a before/after comparison?
Yes.
Are you still selling the kits. Just bought the 600M’s and want to upgrade them. I have hearing disability (wear hearing aids and need the best sound I can get?
We sure do. You can order the upgrade kits straight from our website.
@@dannyrichie9743 Danny I recently completed an upgrade for the 504c center channel. While
Watching another vidieo you did, you mention that the Polly caps, resistors have to be placed a certain way. Not sure if I did that, how critical is that their positive ends are correct, will it
Even work if it’s wrong?
Everythis is soldered and put together should I take them out and make sure they’re correct?
@@troymcnett3019 The crossover parts are non-polar. So they work the same in either direction. The main thing is that the inductors are not facing in the same direction.
@@dannyrichie9743 thank you, I was worried I was going to have to re do some connections. I have the inductors the correct way you show in video. Thanks again
Has anyone bought the kit? How does the kit come? Example, does he provide the boards with the holes marked or pre drilled?
I wonder, will you be shipping this kit to Europe too? Greetings from Estonia ;P
Ok cool. Do you have something for the Klipsch R820 I'm very curious of I can improve the sound on my tower speakers.
Is there a possibility to upgrade th RP 280 and what and where could I buy the kit for that. Thank you!!
Maybe one day you will test and upgrade the kef Q300 , which it’s a good speaker but I’m sure it’s build quite cheaply aswel and can do with some improvements
I've seen their networks, and they are very cheaply made with the least expensive parts available.
Danny Richie can the network be upgraded if you see it or do you have to test it and measure it, I would upgrade the network for sure.
@@arongatt Some parts can be upgraded value for value.
Danny Richie yes that’s what I mean, will email you ASAP so we can expend on this. Great work
Could you show how to upgrade klipsch RF7 III?
Very useful video... well done... Best
Just use a graffic EQ ...its that simple.
I don't really know how to ask this question properly but - is there a good place to begin to learn what is needed to do this same type of thing for other speakers? I do not have these 600M's but would like to get into this type of hobby with what I currently have. I haven't had the time yet to really go through all your content to see if you've already gone over this.
It takes years of experience and having all the right tools to do what I do. But implementing the upgrade or building a well designed kit yourself is not hard and I have thousands of customers all over the world that do that. So building a kit is a good place to start.
@@dannyrichie9743 I guess better stated, my question should have been- How do I figure out what components, for the network, I need in order to get a similar result with a different speaker since there will be a difference in the ratings of the components. I believe you mentioned this some where in the videos that the network won't particularly work for other speakers. I have a tiny bit of experience in doing the work, access to get the tools for building the network, but I lack any experience in knowing what components to get. I know there are a ton of variables here but for the network alone, Is procuring better quality components with the same ratings sufficient? It could be said that I'm the type that wants to have the $50,000+ sound but I don't have anywhere near the $50,000+ wallet.
Whether you reply to this or not, this video has already got me a starting point and desire to start down the road of this as a hobby. Can't thank you enough for all the information you have already provided!
Well, to do a similar modification to another speaker requires the tools of the trade. I use the professional level Clio measuring system. It also helps to have any part necessary to test with. The knowing what to do is what takes years of experience and understand.
However, replacing value for value with higher quality parts is easy to do and everybody does it.
Please where can i buy the klipsch rp600m kit?
Right from our website: gr-research.com/product/klipsch-rp-600m-upgrade/
Where do I go to purchase this upgrade kit? Not finding a link. Thank you.
Try emailing Danny. Info@gr-research.com
So is there a website or something where kits and things can be purchased?
Gr-research.com
@@Newrecordday2013 Awesome! Thank you so much.
What value for each component? Thanx
That is what you get when you order the kit.
Is there anyone that can do these mods/upgrades? Or is it strictly DIY?
Can you sell them as plug n’ play?
No, we cannot allocate time for assembly work.
Where can I buy this kit?
Right from our website: gr-research.com/product/klipsch-rp-600m-upgrade/
Love the videos Danny but there is quite a lot of high frequency noise in the audio which hurts my sensitive ears and i end up using eq as a result!
Always stay true to the source!
True, it's a little bothersome and a little ironic for an audio channel but he'll get there! A cheap dslr lavalier would be a good idea.
I have a DSLR and lav @danny can have if he wants it. I tried talking him into it a week ago but he’s stubborn.
Any chance on getting flat-paks for the GR Research XL-S Encore speakers? I thought I saw a video and you mentioning they might be available in the future. Fun video; Thanks!
Peter has them available and shipping. See this post: www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=150120.0
Does a normal hair dryer (1200W) enough to heat up the shrink tube? Thx.
I don't know. I have never tried that.
Tony Cheung ,, I see no problem with that wattage dryer but higher heat is better & faster to shrink... I use a 1500 watt hairdryer whenever I build my own speaker wires & it works just fine.. Of course get the best shrink tube you can. A lot of the knockoffs are junk...Try KnuKonceptz .... www.knukonceptz.com/mobile-audio/power-wire/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA89zvBRDoARIsAOIePbAdUIZHBNH4eX-XUuL9rm8ej9fLzBcjGycBrUNQc-VSB0I6HumY3bQaAg2ZEALw_wcB ...,, On eBay or Amazon too. He even has some of the thickest wire gauges you’ll ever see👍 Plus everything else for competition shows.. Best2You...Sorry, I guess he doesn’t sell tubing anymore just Boots...
TL;DR: will upgrading the crossover in a cheaper set of speakers help stop mashing of sound like highhats etc and help stop dead spots in the bass?
i have a set of cheapo speakers branded DSE (dick smith electronics
When do you stop doing up grades to speakers. Make your own then someone else can up grade yours. Iam they could have made this up grade wasn’t for the cost.
warnex his crossover !? mmm cool
Where can I find your email and address to send a speaker?
Awesome.
Respectfully excellent video....if you own a pair of these speakers. I own a pair of Walsh Ohm 3s and would love to find a video how to upgrade x-over and drivers. Will purchase a pair of Klipsch and your kit.
There no danger of the component wires touching the layout board, are they stiff enough not to worry about that. without having to shrink wrap them? If they won't touch then there is no need for an electrically insulated board right?
The heat shrink is to seal the connections where the OFC wire is used. If the ends are left open then they will eventually oxidize and degrade the sound.
Very cool!! Looks like you’ve done this once or twice before. Thanks for taking the time to show us how it’s done. Did you drill into or use the top speaker binding post area for the tube connector?
To install the tube connectors (and that was shown in the last video) I just chased the only binding post holes with a slightly larger drill bit to open the hole up to 7/16".
When I did mine- I replaced all binding post with tube connectors. I used longer screws to hold the crossover to the binding post plastic mount, otherwise I could not hold the board in place due to the added length of the connectors. Removed all the crappy steel and drilled to fit the new connectors. It looks sleek and that combined with the dampening, refined the sound.
I love these videos amazing information! But can we please have some background music? That would up the production value! Come on RON!
Any upgrades for Klipsch RC-10's ?
Love the videos excellent quality can’t wait to build mine.
But after seeing how cheaply those speakers are constructed and the speaker drivers look like cheap five dollar Taiwanese knock off drivers I’ll wait until they lower the price to around $250 or if I can get a used pair for about that price. I can wait all the time in the world
Better yet just build a pair of danny’s $249 x-ls encore speakers right now! 👍😏
You could build yourself a far better pair. By the time you have done fucking around, sorting it out, what will you have left?
A shitty, thinnish resonant box, and maybe a pair of tweeters, that probably cost all of twenty or thirty quid a pair. Unless you are going to mess around just trying to improve things, you will be lobbing out the cross overs, wiring, bass driver.
OHH yes, you'll probably keep the stuffing too.
It drives me mad how shite budget speakers are built. They are all built down to a price.
No one can see what you're doing, where are the close ups, diagrams?
You gotta watch from the first part of these video series:
ruclips.net/video/arYwrAtcJZY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/5ifiz6HrFd0/видео.html
Do the previous gen, RP-150M/RP-160M come with similarly shitty components from the factory? Can this kit be used for them, as well?
My R15M come with same shitty X-over, not sure if XO freq is the same as 160, it is 1.8kHz for the 15M AFAIK
I have a set of Klipsch RP 280s how much to up grade my speakers cost wise ?
And how is results? Before and after upgrate?
Start here: How to Improve the Klipsch RP-600M! ruclips.net/video/arYwrAtcJZY/видео.html
tube connectors tube connectors ? can you 100% hear a difference and where to buy them? i cant seem to find them is there another name?
gr-research.com/electracabletubeconnectors.aspx
@@Newrecordday2013 did you buy these? did you hear a difference or just a hype? are these steel or copper?
were can i buy the kit form?
Info@gr-research.com
And call to order: 940-592-3400
@@Newrecordday2013 Is there a link to the kit? I looked at the website but did not see the kit for the Klipsch
Too much work. Just sell us pre-built crossovers.
"Too much work" :)
You mean too much fun and satisfaction when done?
I'd have to hire a full time crossover builder....
@@dannyrichie9743 I'll build them for him but I am not cheap.
@@wastingtime9152 Maybe Danny could hire someone to build say 10 pairs or assembled crossovers and resale it.
Super popular models like this Klipsch or 600 series from B&W or mid price KEF.... It may make sense
Buy some good speakers, this is no upgrade this is building a new speaker what a bs.
And keep that crosovers out of the box, thats a better upgrade then all you do !!
I don't agree at all. Having built several cabinets, I can tell you that it takes days to get a decent cabinet finish. Also the components here is overkill so they won't change their value with the small heat buildup inside the box. An outside filter is for those who change drivers or network often is my opinion.
The upgrade is pretty significant and for the hobbyist it is a lot of fun. And placing the crossover externally will be significantly more expensive if using good quality connectors like the tube connectors. And it wouldn't gain you anything.
@@dannyrichie9743 its the best upgrade i ever made with speakers, and i dont use connectors, cables direct to the drivers and from the amp direct to the crossover, every connector make the sound different.
You are correct in that every connection or connector will have an effect on the sound. If you don't mind hard wiring everything from the amp to the drivers then that is a good way to go.