This looks like you’ve finally had a BMD Christmas wish come true. I bet you were delighted when you first made the discovery that these boxes can work in the manner you’ve presented. Very useful. I personally have two Studio Converter units and five Camera Converters. I’m not planning on upgrading anytime soon because of the legacy camera equipment I have, but it’s so great to know that the Studio Converters will have extended utility when using with these 2110 boxes to get 4K capability.
What an awesome find, thank you. I, too, have made countless requests to BMD for a 4K camera converter - many times in person at NAB - and it has always fallen on deaf ears. Even if it's not "official," it's affordable and looks like it will do the job. Really appreciated.
It will be fascinating to see how BMD proceeds with this, as it seems their interest in fiber is waning a bit as their investment and development in 2110 grows. Hopefully, they will bridge that gap with more devices like this where the SFP can be swapped between fiber and 2110. Their foray into SMPTE did not go well with the Fiber and Studio adapters for the Ursa camera not getting good grades for reliability, (though I keep waiting/hoping for a company like Multidyne to make a BMD-specific SHED for the Ursa cams).
This is great, Doug! Can't wait to see your full review of it. I'm going to be curious to hear how good/not good the headphone amp is in this device for the headset. The original Camera Converters were okay in that regard, but gave us some trouble in loud environments until we added Camplex Blackjack Headset Adapters onto each one (the active ones) and then were able to use David Clarks.
Merry Christmas Doug, wishing you and your family a happy holiday together, it's Christmas eve here at the time of sending this message, i have 5 kids , all under 9 and excited, I just wanted to take a moment to say THANK YOU for producing the best content this year and i hope next year is very prosperous for you professionally and personally, all the best mate.
NIce tyo see BlackMagic still supporting their SDI fiber ecosystem.
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Hi Doug, and thanks for this video! Small question that comes to mind: is it possible to use a classic 10G SFP module (i.e. using the 2110 protocol) instead of a 10G Ethernet SFP? Have a nice day and happy holidays!
That is the main intended use case. I’m mostly posting this video because so many people who follow my channel have been waiting for a 4K version of the Camera Converter product, and this can also perform that function as well.
On the verge to make the switch to 2110 and using the MicroCC G2 - just sad that they did not come out with a plug&play version with an ethernet port and PoE, that would have been a game changer for 2110 imo! Could have saved a lot of converting back and forth...
@@Andrew-Graham Yes they do and if you are not already into a fiber workflow the ethernet version is great due to cost savings (albeit the roughly 3 frames latency). The rack module also supplies power to the cameras (the larger studio cameras with the 10G ethernet port work) or the ethernet version of the converters. Just sad not to see the MicroSC G2 get an ethernet port with this functionality, I would happily pay a 200$ premium over the regular version to forego the 500$ converter for the last inch of cabling and true plug&play with power delivery.
@ ahh yeah I see what you mean. I had the same thought I’m thinking they’ll probably be likely to have a plus model come out with ip 2110 support I would think. It would definitely make that camera very attractive. Side note 3 frames of latency is that across all standards? Because that would definitely make 60p far more attractive for workflows than 24-30p simply because it would effectively be half or less the latency
@@Andrew-Graham I don't have first-hand experience with 2110 yet, but the 3 frames are what you typically read in literature - could also be an equivalent of milliseconds at 30fps - not entirely sure but will let you know if I find out! Merry Christmas :)
Got so excited when I saw this video. I probably won’t use the fiber modules too often since I’m usually not that far, looking forward to the Ethernet capabilities especially with poe so no worries about power and same system for the studio cameras.
For your full review: 1) Is the only tally indication the LED on the unit? No tally outputs in any form (or overlays on SDI out). 2) Is the intercom connector true stereo, such that channel 15 is in the left ear and 16 in the right?
I think it's important to point out about the old camera converter: Although it can use a 3G sfp, the unit itself is limited to 1.5g, so you're limited to 1080i60, not 1080p60.
I’ve used it with 1080p60 many times. It isn’t limited to HD-SDI. It does not handle the Level A variant of 3G-SDI, though. If you want 1080p50/60 support it has to be via HDMI or 3G-SDI Level B.
I was hoping for an ultrastudio 3G 4K (cheaper than the ultra studio 4K) to get cleaner color on my editing/colorgrading screen, but guess I'll have to wait a bit longer 🙏
Hi Doug, thank you for your great video and for sharing this information. Does this ideology of SDI signal transmission via the new 2110IP products also apply to the, as the counterpart designed, Blackmagic 2110 IP Converter 8x12G SFP and will it solve the latency problem from 2110IP? What do you think?
We don't really know just yet. That unit hasn't shipped yet, and isn't included in the 2110 Converters manual. The diagram on the BMD website seems to imply that it will take video SFPs. And there likely won't be any conversion latency, but that's just a guess.
Hi Doug, I've never clicked on a video faster😅 I'm looking into getting a few of these to finally switch over to a fiber workflow. Looking at the IP Converter 2110 IP 8x12G SFP, do you think it has the same setting for the ports, idealy individually. I have access to some old 3G bidirectional fiber converters, similar to what you have, was just wondering if I could swap out the converter side to run them. Also something that might help with the mounting problem is using a small piece of wood or even 3d printing a bracket that screws into the back with a piece of velcro to attach to a tripod's leg On second thought a cheesplate might be a viable option, you might need to do some drilling but then you can mount it to the top of a camera
We don't really know just yet. That unit hasn't shipped yet, and isn't included in the 2110 Converters manual. The diagram on the BMD website seems to imply that it will take video SFPs. And there likely won't be any conversion latency, but that's just a guess. In terms of mounting, I want something made of metal, without modifying the enclosure. Plastic/3D-printed would get broken rather quickly with the rough treatment that camera ops give them.
@@djp_video In regard to breaking plastic clips: how do your fibers survive the rigors of live production? Do they need much cleaning and do you also use them on roving camera's?
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This looks like you’ve finally had a BMD Christmas wish come true. I bet you were delighted when you first made the discovery that these boxes can work in the manner you’ve presented. Very useful.
I personally have two Studio Converter units and five Camera Converters. I’m not planning on upgrading anytime soon because of the legacy camera equipment I have, but it’s so great to know that the Studio Converters will have extended utility when using with these 2110 boxes to get 4K capability.
What an awesome find, thank you. I, too, have made countless requests to BMD for a 4K camera converter - many times in person at NAB - and it has always fallen on deaf ears. Even if it's not "official," it's affordable and looks like it will do the job. Really appreciated.
It will be fascinating to see how BMD proceeds with this, as it seems their interest in fiber is waning a bit as their investment and development in 2110 grows. Hopefully, they will bridge that gap with more devices like this where the SFP can be swapped between fiber and 2110. Their foray into SMPTE did not go well with the Fiber and Studio adapters for the Ursa camera not getting good grades for reliability, (though I keep waiting/hoping for a company like Multidyne to make a BMD-specific SHED for the Ursa cams).
This is great, Doug! Can't wait to see your full review of it. I'm going to be curious to hear how good/not good the headphone amp is in this device for the headset. The original Camera Converters were okay in that regard, but gave us some trouble in loud environments until we added Camplex Blackjack Headset Adapters onto each one (the active ones) and then were able to use David Clarks.
Merry Christmas Doug, wishing you and your family a happy holiday together, it's Christmas eve here at the time of sending this message, i have 5 kids , all under 9 and excited, I just wanted to take a moment to say THANK YOU for producing the best content this year and i hope next year is very prosperous for you professionally and personally, all the best mate.
Thank you! And Merry Christmas!!! 🎄🎁🎅
NIce tyo see BlackMagic still supporting their SDI fiber ecosystem.
Hi Doug, and thanks for this video!
Small question that comes to mind: is it possible to use a classic 10G SFP module (i.e. using the 2110 protocol) instead of a 10G Ethernet SFP?
Have a nice day and happy holidays!
That is the main intended use case. I’m mostly posting this video because so many people who follow my channel have been waiting for a 4K version of the Camera Converter product, and this can also perform that function as well.
On the verge to make the switch to 2110 and using the MicroCC G2 - just sad that they did not come out with a plug&play version with an ethernet port and PoE, that would have been a game changer for 2110 imo! Could have saved a lot of converting back and forth...
They do have a Ethernet version?
@@Andrew-Graham Yes they do and if you are not already into a fiber workflow the ethernet version is great due to cost savings (albeit the roughly 3 frames latency). The rack module also supplies power to the cameras (the larger studio cameras with the 10G ethernet port work) or the ethernet version of the converters. Just sad not to see the MicroSC G2 get an ethernet port with this functionality, I would happily pay a 200$ premium over the regular version to forego the 500$ converter for the last inch of cabling and true plug&play with power delivery.
@ ahh yeah I see what you mean. I had the same thought I’m thinking they’ll probably be likely to have a plus model come out with ip 2110 support I would think. It would definitely make that camera very attractive.
Side note 3 frames of latency is that across all standards? Because that would definitely make 60p far more attractive for workflows than 24-30p simply because it would effectively be half or less the latency
@@Andrew-Graham I don't have first-hand experience with 2110 yet, but the 3 frames are what you typically read in literature - could also be an equivalent of milliseconds at 30fps - not entirely sure but will let you know if I find out! Merry Christmas :)
The latency is because you are using an Ethernet protocol. You have to convert into it and back.
Got so excited when I saw this video. I probably won’t use the fiber modules too often since I’m usually not that far, looking forward to the Ethernet capabilities especially with poe so no worries about power and same system for the studio cameras.
For your full review:
1) Is the only tally indication the LED on the unit? No tally outputs in any form (or overlays on SDI out).
2) Is the intercom connector true stereo, such that channel 15 is in the left ear and 16 in the right?
Thanks for the questions... I'll be sure to check for those things.
Thanks Doug, very useful. I’ll look forward to the full review in due course. Happy Xmas.
They used a DC barrel connection, so if you need battery, you can just use a tap off the AB (or other brand) battery.
For cameras that use those types of batteries, certainly.
For the Sony PXW-Z150/Z200 that I use, using the camera battery isn't an option.
I think it's important to point out about the old camera converter: Although it can use a 3G sfp, the unit itself is limited to 1.5g, so you're limited to 1080i60, not 1080p60.
I’ve used it with 1080p60 many times. It isn’t limited to HD-SDI.
It does not handle the Level A variant of 3G-SDI, though. If you want 1080p50/60 support it has to be via HDMI or 3G-SDI Level B.
I was hoping for an ultrastudio 3G 4K (cheaper than the ultra studio 4K) to get cleaner color on my editing/colorgrading screen, but guess I'll have to wait a bit longer 🙏
Hi Doug, thank you for your great video and for sharing this information. Does this ideology of SDI signal transmission via the new 2110IP products also apply to the, as the counterpart designed, Blackmagic 2110 IP Converter 8x12G SFP and will it solve the latency problem from 2110IP? What do you think?
We don't really know just yet. That unit hasn't shipped yet, and isn't included in the 2110 Converters manual.
The diagram on the BMD website seems to imply that it will take video SFPs. And there likely won't be any conversion latency, but that's just a guess.
Do you know if the 3G fiber module can carry a 4K signal?
It cannot. 6g minimum is required for 4k 30.
Not really.
I've seen it work before, but never reliably. I'd never trust it.
connect a tally lamp and a cable for tb button. why why BM do it right
I reckon someone will make a 3D printed holder for the converter.
Hi Doug, I've never clicked on a video faster😅
I'm looking into getting a few of these to finally switch over to a fiber workflow.
Looking at the IP Converter 2110 IP 8x12G SFP, do you think it has the same setting for the ports, idealy individually. I have access to some old 3G bidirectional fiber converters, similar to what you have, was just wondering if I could swap out the converter side to run them.
Also something that might help with the mounting problem is using a small piece of wood or even 3d printing a bracket that screws into the back with a piece of velcro to attach to a tripod's leg
On second thought a cheesplate might be a viable option, you might need to do some drilling but then you can mount it to the top of a camera
We don't really know just yet. That unit hasn't shipped yet, and isn't included in the 2110 Converters manual.
The diagram on the BMD website seems to imply that it will take video SFPs. And there likely won't be any conversion latency, but that's just a guess.
In terms of mounting, I want something made of metal, without modifying the enclosure. Plastic/3D-printed would get broken rather quickly with the rough treatment that camera ops give them.
@@djp_video In regard to breaking plastic clips: how do your fibers survive the rigors of live production? Do they need much cleaning and do you also use them on roving camera's?
Hi there how is latency?
I'll find out when I test it.
@@djp_videoLove the channel