Is the Trek Fuel EXe a Game Changer?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2022
- In detail look, and many of your questions answered about the new 2023 Trek Fuel EXe, including, "Is it a gamechanger?!'
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We just bought a EXe for my wife, only one ride so far, snow here in Idaho. Im guessing a range extender will be our next purchase. Her previous two bikes were turbo levo's. I ride a non e-bike (Ibis ripley). She can go any of my hard rides and thats been so great. My friends often leave their wives home and mine gets to in these big epic rides. So cool! We also ride double track climbs with my 89 year old Dad on his Levo. On these rides I have to say I feel pretty lucky to ride as hard uphill as I want with my two favorite people. Total game changer for us! So many ways to use these e-bikes.
This bike is a game changer. I work at a Trek dealer. Walked into work the other day, saw the 9.8 XT on the floor. Did a little car park ride and play. Feels so much like a normal bike in its handling easy to manual. Made the Rail that I serviced that day feel like a pig. Haven't had the urge to buy a E bike until now.
It’s the first EMTB (With decent torque numbers) that is hard to distinguish from a normal ‘push iron.’ I like it.
@@asifitmatters1 I can't find any decent ride reviews on the Forestal. Which is strange as the specs look good.
@@jamietaylor9410 If you happen to be in Barcelona or near some of their's distributors in UK, Australia, S. Africa or Chile, it would be quiet easy to book a test ride. If you are in the USA, contact World Wide Cyclery since they are doing some demo's right now in few location. Good luck;)
Thx so much for this Great Shots in 4K in both Vids. Been riding it today at a local shop. Cheers from Germay.
I recently noticed that your video quality has improved and i really enjoy watching the videos that you make. Keep up the good work!
It sounds like what I NEED. I'm 70 and ride in Utah. I can still go out on 20 mile, 3000' climbs, but it's pushing my HR into dangerous territory to do so. I just need enough to keep it down around 70-80% max. I'm thinking this will do it. And the fact that it comes in at lower cadences is a real plus as well! I currently ride a zero Nm/zero-watt bike, so I'm not sure I understand the comments regarding needing more, unless you're cycling through downhills in the PNW, in which case a full power long travel ebike probably would be a better choice anyway.
I think you are on the right track. I bought a used Rocky Mountain Instinct Powerplay ebike this spring. I have spent almost 6 years trying to recover from a brain injury (lots of eye, brain and body physio daily), and my newest Doctor suggested I was overdoing things. He said I needed to keep my HR below 130 or 140 bpm, to avoid symptom overload. Using the ebike on the lowest setting, Im happy to report my heart rate stays between 125-140 and my symptoms are much less. I dont get a "hangover" later that day or all of the next day. I sure as hell can't ride like I used to, but thanks to the e-bike I am still able to enjoy a ride with my non e-bike riding buddies. Im looking at the Trek because I dont need full power and the motor is a lot quieter which helps with brain fatigue. The e-bike has been a game changer in my recovery and for my mental health / mood.
I’m 65 and I just can’t keep up with my buddies on my Specialized Sworks regular mountain bike. So I’m going to grab a fuel exe 9.7
They’re all on e-bikes so I give up. But I will never buy a e road bike
Best overview I've seen. I've not seen any others (so far) so show all the little details like the metal plate to protect again rotor scratching the frame. Or how the Rear Mech works if battery is discharged. Great looking booking. Never been into e-bikes. I am now though! But will have to start saving or sell a kidney or something. The weights and motor sizes are coming down. The prices are not! Still, very impressive looking bike.
Outstanding explanation, its definitely great for Trek, still Luving the Turbo Levo Pro with Cascade Link 170 f / 165 r
That small piece of metal isn’t for avoiding scratches when installing the wheels. It’s to stop the brake rotor from grinding the frame due to flex of the wheel and frame.
My 9.9 was ground down to where a hole formed.
Trek replaced the frame no questions.
Great company.
30mph on a downhill section will flex any bike.
You’d be shocked to know how much things change shape.
I love this bike.
Nice review Rob. This thing is basically science fiction, what we've all dreamed about as young kids...finally here in the flesh. Just looks like a normal bike...Unreal
Front triangle looks a little like the Kona 153
Bars look great BUT! Bar roll is important for each rider to get the bike setup for how you like.
The little details on this bike are truly thoughtful and not found on every rig... That AXS battery dongle is genius. Well done Trek.
Your video quality is some of the best I've seen. 🏁
Great information Rob. Many thanks.
Fantastic video, good work mate. Thank you
Finally finally one company has rediscovered the human friendly design with the remotes haptic&audible feedback. I hate like every control these days be it on bikes, cars etc. has the unfriendly distracting no feedback swipe, softtouch...etc.
Love the review Rob...kinda wraps up all my thoughts and questions...
Riding a full fat Reign E+ 2022...and am kinda bothered only by the hefty weight in some way...
On the fence about stepping over to a machine like the Trek here 🙆♂️🤔🤷♂️
Definitely would love to pedal one before ✌
Man this rig looks slick, I love those bars and that display is in such a great location, easy to see and not easy to damage
Great effort from Trek! I would like to try a lower powered bike as a comparison to my full fat Phase. Only one thing I've noticed is the rear brake hose looks like it enters the bike on the wrong side! Is it the controller wire flapping about Infront of the head tube? Spoils the look if they've gone to all that effort with bar & stem.... Brilliant video again Rob 👊
The ultimate EMTB is in this weight class IMHO! Hope they come down in price a bit in the near future. Thanks Rob!
incredible bike, demo’d one the other week my one turned up yesterday 👌
Love the down to earth connected view ! Answered all my thoughts !
You know you want that 9.8 XT haha
@@RobRidesEMTB What camera are you using?
Sony A7SIII 👍
@@RobRidesEMTB thank you! I love your videos!
Fully agreed Rob. The way how badly (STILL) most manufacturers integrate displays and controllers with the cockpit is just beyond comprehension given the price tag for an average e-bike :) For me personally, it's probably one of the most off putting things when changing an acoustic bike for an e-bike.
The bosch kiox is mounted in the same place as this display
Love this bike Rob. They are about $8500.00 US here in the states, however, no availability that I can see as of this month. My only gripe is that the motor needs to be a minimum of 70nm of torque. I use a Yamaha PW-X, and that seems to help with inclines just perfectly. Cheers Rob!!
$6,500 for the low spec 9.5 model. Though I think the 9.7 will be the most popular model for $7,600.
Thanks for this. Answers all my questions. I think this is my next bike…
Im just after buyin the Fuel Exe8. I love it. You video is very good, informative, great detail and knowledge. You high red format is fantastic too. One little flaw I notices is that you recorded the audio at Auto Level, and gain is too high. Every time you speak there is a hiss and the audio level junmps to between -3db and 0db. Just a suggestion for future videos would be to go into the manual setting and adjust the audio to -8 and lock it. youll get perfect quality dilogue then. cheers. love the video.
"you can´t grow bars". True but with lock-on grips you can extend them upto 3cm on each side (lock ring on the inside).
Nice and thorough video, thanks!
I ordered a 9.5 the other day super excited my first emtb
Great in detailed review, just some additional notes. The 9.9 comes with Line Pro Carbon wheels which uses different carbon than the Line Elite Carbon that are on the 9.8. This is part of the price difference it also uses a different hub, with straight pull spokes.
Trek does state that you can install a 160 fork on it but, the Fox 36, Fox 38 and the ZEB all exceed the axle to crown length mentioned in the manual. I'm waiting to hear back from Trek how relevant the axle to crown measurement is.
That is good to know, I didnt realise that the 9.8 models have a different carbon wheelset. Thanks for sharing.
You could just swap the 150mm air shaft out for a 160mm, and save $$$ on replacing the fork
@@RobRidesEMTB no worries, I ride (and sell) a lot of Trek bikes so this is something I need to know lol
@@jamietaylor9410 but then it would still be a Lyrik on the 9,8 with 35mm stanchions, I also get pro deals so probably can "upgrade" to a 38 or ZEB for the same money as a longer air shaft 🤪
@@SuperSeat Fair enough
WOW AMAZING!!
Is the front brake really on the right handlebar or did you switch it ala motorcycle style?
Thanks for the amazing review
Rob.
Regarding power delivery for the Orbea Rise, if you put the EP8rs into profile 2 then power is delivered more aggressively. Yes, there is a little spin up still but nothing that bothers me when I am in trail model in profile 2.
I am seeing a second battery strapped to the downtube, would be great if the battery mounting holes went all the way through and use studs and wingnuts to mount.
Thx for a very nice review. Love your videos. I think you would need a 205x65 shock to get 150ish mm travel on the rear. I would love to see you ride it with 160mm fork and super travel (150ish) rear.
Hi Carsten - correct, its got a leverage ratio of 2.33 so a 65m stroke will give approx 151mm of travel at the back.
@@RobRidesEMTB I was disappointed to see it wasn't 160 / 150 as that's a popular change on the Rise, and I think is the sweet spot. I just bought a 9.8XT and would love to see what you think of the 160 / 150 set up.
I was going to wait for the Relay but they still haven't even released the Repeater in Aus.
Your killing it mate, 👌
Thanks for another great video Rob. Is the motor any narrower than others? How does the Q -factor compare?
My bike does make a whining noise and also a small amount of chain slap inside the motor. But I'm now use to it ....I still love my eBike to make up for what father time has taken from me!
Rob, great review - please do a enduro (Slash!) video!! cheers
My first ebike I reckon 😍
Rode a 9.7 build yesterday. Awesome how quiet the motor is. Nice weight if lifting to rack or truck bed is a problem. Otherwise I’m pretty happy with my full fat Turbo Levo. Weight isn’t an issue with a powerful motor (and an advantage on rooty rocky trails). 50nm feels plenty powerful (I rarely use more than 65nm on my levo). All in all an awesome bike
Motor is quieter than Turbo Levo?
@@maat122 yes. I can easily hear my 2021 Turbo Levo motor (it’s not loud like the SL). This bike’s Fazua motor is so quiet you can barely hear it over the sound of the tires in dirt/gravel. Pretty amazing
@@PaulMoody thanks. but si not a fazua motor. Si TQ motor 😌
@@maat122 you’re right - my confusion. Still it’s nearly silent.
Hi Rob, great review. Have you tried it with a 62.5mm stroke shock yet? Ordering up a coil and would love to eek out a bit more if you can confirm. Thanks
A big yes for me keen to see the enduro weapon review with a larger coil rear shock !
I’ve just taken the spacers out of my 9.7 so running a 205x65 stroke shock. Plenty of clearance to frame and rear tyre. Test ride tomorrow. Not sure what travel numbers that gives me. 160mm?
About 151mm travel (2.33 leverage ratio multiplied by stroke)
@@RobRidesEMTB 160/150 is the sweet spot! Thanks
@@chrisrae1254 Chris, what were the results of your testing with the 205x65? any issues under hard flex?
@@86309 no nothing but positives on this set up. My coil is set to 205x62.5 now but. 146mm is enough for my riding areas
Love this as a one bike to rule them all, however, I love a full power derestricted eMTB to compliment my MTB.
@E Bandit sounds dangerous 😆
some fantastic details, i especially like how a company finally decided to power the derailleur using the internal battery, i would not buy a AXS equipped bike without that, the little plate protecting the frame is nice as well, another US brand has some catching up to do for the first time, even if their display still looks better, and then there is the motor !! wow, so small ! i don’t like the protection under the downturns, it shows that there is a battery there. anyway, this video may start to convince me that i might get this bike, in 3 years when my current bike’s lease is paid for
People lease bikes? I've never heard of that.
@@tonyrobinson1623 companies not people, e bikes, deductable at 120% from taxable income
I believe the quote for the XTR at 17.47 KG (38.5 lbs) has been revised to 18.38 KG (40.5 lbs) per Trek website. My goal would be sub 40 pounds with pedals. At 14 oz for pedals the bike would need to be 39 lbs 1oz.
Great video, mate! i have been thinking about the Fuel EXe and one question that came into my mind just now is about the motor activation speed when going through rough terrain and rocky / tech areas up hill. How does it activate? There are moments when you let the bike roll and suddenly you need the max torque to climb things. How is it efficiency on such moments? Thanks
Is it possible to buy the axs wire to main battery somewhere? Would i fit a bike with gx axs and bosch system? Can't find any info on it.
Would be great to see an actual ride with one person on this and another on the Rail, see how they company climbing the same hills, effect required, downhill speed, battery usage over the same route at the same time etc 👍🏻
I did a test on both the Rail and the Fuel Exe. I can say that the power maximum output of the Fuel Exe is like having the assistance of Tour on the Rail. Normal hill climb is fine, whereas a steep hill will make you miss the turbo mode on the Rail. The Fuel Exe does feel like a tad bit heavier dual sus with assistance and the Rail is a real power beast with plenty of power for your needs.
@@akaworld thanks, so can you climb the same sort of steep hills ?, Or does the lack of turbo/emtb mean it's not possible to ride the same route
@@link6032 It depends how good of a climber you are - and if the climb is a technical climb or just a steep hill. The Fuel Exe will give you the ability to climb the hills you can normal climb but with less effort because of the motor. If it is a difficult technical climb where you need instance power to boost you over obstacles then the Rail will be better. I really love having the ability to switch over to Turbo to quickly climb back to the top as quickly as I can to restart another downhill / decent.
I’m 64 , my rail was an excellent purchase for me . A little heavy but the power is awesome 😎
Superb quality video 📹 👌
Great work
Owned a full power (85NM) commencal meta power for two years and went back riding specialized enduro 2021 for exercise reasons, and just rode my friends trek exe 9.7, really on the edge of selling both meta and enduro to get a lightweight emtb, the only thing that needs some adaption was the steep headtube angle on exe comparing to my metapower/enduro. Hope specialized is coming out a new version of Kenevo SL for me to make the move
The new Levo SL has been out for a few months now did you get one in the end ? 👍
Hi rob brill review the bike looks ace and a game changer with the near silent motor!! Just a quick question what handle bars and stem did you swap for?? I agree the handle bars looks too wide and the rise way too low.. will be going to my local dealer when it’s released to have a look as I’m stuck between the Levo and this..
Before buying a Range extender or extra battery, I recommend going on a few rides in your typical riding area and see how much battery you have left after a typical session. Before buying my 9.7 Exe I was positive I would need an extra battery. But after a month of riding it now (steep climbs, downhill single track, gentle climbs, flat rails to trails, Appalachian mountain fire roads, and hilly single track) I have yet to go below 60% battery remaining after 2.5-3 hours of riding. To provide some perspective, I spend 85% of the time in the lowest assistance setting, maybe 10% in the 2nd highest, and 5% on "boost" if it is a really steep hill or I am just tired. I really love the power delivery and the battery size is perfect - I don't see myself needing a range extender or extra battery. That being said, an option could be to remove the main battery, and only use the range extender battery - this would reduce overall weight and still (for my personal riding) provide enough range. I hope that helps someone:)
I have a specialized creo with little battery 360wh and 35nm torque... i'm 88kg and yesterday i've made 2300mt of ascent in eco mode...66km... with engine turn off is just a heavy bdc (14kg) but no drag... perfect on flat land.. light ebike are really great for ones who want to ride and make training... a 750wh battery turn the bike in a motorbike... so i'm on the train of the new segment... don't need 90nm engines.
What camera are you using? Amazing video and exceptional quality?
i have just pre ordered one the 9.5 - looking to upgrade suspension - already putting a lyrik 160mm front shock what do you suggest for the rear to lift it to 150mm???
Have you tried the Fazu powered Transition? A comparison with the Trek would be great.
Hello Rob, and thank you very much for this review! As others had said, this will probably be my first e-bike. However, do you happen to know if an AXS derailleur can be retro fitted to the bike? As I can't afford the top specced one so maybe I could add that in the future. Thank you!
Hi George, for sure an AXS can be retro fit, but, that new wired one to the battery would highly likely need to be sourced via Trek - I’d have thought that they will be able to get this as a spare part.
With a 160mm fork how would this stack up against a Kenevo SL when descending? Is it enough for an average-ish rider for BPW black trails, Dyfi, and the gnarlier bike parks? I guess a 160mm fork would put the head angle around 64 degrees, so would it then just come down to rear travel?
+1 for being very interested in seeing a 160/150 coil enduro build of this bike - and maybe seeing that ridden on some gnarly blacks!
Great video too, it's your view on this bike I was waiting to hear!
No a kanevo is in a different category, having ridden kanevo and levo and levo sl , I highly reccomend you try both alternate bikes on a trail you know . Some days I'd take a levo others a kanevo I'm sorry to say. But I'd definitely ride full fat so the tiny motor in the latest kanevo made me back away instantly. You will know what you prefer , just please ride both before you have regrets.
Please what are the recommended assitance setting for Econ, Med & High on a ride with a mix of steep hills, flats & medium hills. Total k’s about 27 k’s. I am 74 years of age.
Great review, thanks! The rims are not the same on the XT. They are one step down from the pros.
Do you know how (or if) cutting those bars down to make them narrower effects the celebrated vibration damping characteristics of those bars?
I have the Kenevo SL. Wonder which suits best if you change fork to 160 and about 150 back. Yes, of course different bikes, but... :)
looks awesome , but man i thought my yamaha torc was expensive used at 2800. this thing is more than a NICE motorcycle.
Anyone taken delivery of one yet?! Interested in your thoughts if you've have a ride!
I have a deposit on one and it’s in the shop, but the shop won’t release it without a firmware update. The firmware update requires a hardware dongle that they don’t have yet. The dongle is on order and they are hoping it arrives this week. I’ll let you know my thoughts once I ride it.
Year lead time for the AXS version which is just getting boring, I have an XT on order for delivery October (as per your recommendation)
I bought a EXe 9.7 model with Shimano gears and Fox suspension which I prefer. $11k Australian. I have 2x full Levo's and a Merida E160 plus a Giant carbon hardtail non ebike.
I've ridden it twice but first 1½ hours both times without motor On because it kept feeling SO GOOD 17kg no battery 19kg with. Power from standstill on a steep incline is amazing. It's a mtb and a Emtb. Well done Trek 👏. Beautifully balanced power to weight and geometry .Near silence is absolutely golden. Probably not for heavy riders, stick to full 90Nm Emtbs and eat more salad. At 61kg (I'm nearly back to my birth weight and 68years) it suits me well. Specialized will have to get their act together and the price of the 9.7 is very reasonable for what you get. There's something special about this bike ,feel,silence, balance power delivery and above all ability to love it without the motor On. E=Mtb²
@@robhaskins3068 Have you uploaded a video even to show what you have?
@@markwebster243 Haven't got a clue about uploading or gopro but my mate Paul Moir does a few. Sample ruclips.net/video/3kW5A5dJwIA/видео.html
Will you be doing a comparison video for all light weight EMTB including the Pivot shuttle SL and Rise and/or best of 2022 Light EMTB?
Looking forward for a comparison with the Rotwild RE 375 PRO
@10:29 you have a chainring bolt missing 😂
Great video Rob, Would love to try out a fuel ex e, probs the first time I've wanted an emtb, tried out the rail and loved it but found it too heavy. looking forward to see what they do in the furute with TQ.
I agree I find full fat EMTB like tanks it’s almost like a separate sport to mountain biking this type of emtb definitely has raised my eyebrows though 👍
@@davefreeman9347 I’ve seen they’ve released an aluminium version. Might see if I can try one out.
@@DanEscapes I’ve just ordered the trek 9.5 carbon I found it for £4900 ok some of the spec is questionable I can use some of the money I’ve saved in some upgrades 👍
I might have missed this but what is the wee square bit on the bottom of your valves?
Yes absolutely do a 160 Fork + a Coil please !!
I wanted you to sell a bicycle
Hi Rob, that is beautiful scenery, where did you film this? Thanks.
I really wish they had gone with the larger Trek logo like the prototype in the video at the 22:36 mark. I bought mine the other day and my one and only gripe is I hate how the Trek logo just kind of looks like an afterthought. Other than that, this is my ideal MTB and I’m so pumped with it!
Yes- larger logo looks sweet.
I actually like the small logo. I like less marketing, unbranded look. Removed all my shock stickers on my satin black olive 9.8 acoustic fuel and replaced with clear ride wrap and it looks slick.
@@reynemanzano If YOU like it, that is all that matters. They are high quality bikes for sure- just out of my price range. Also, after my mTBI, I decided to not ride bikes anymore. They are fun but in no way can I risk whacking my head yet again. Took me out of the game for years. Still not quite the same (vision and balance.) Helmets also do nothing to protect against concussions.
I’m 187cm tall. Would you recommend the XL? I generally like too short than too long frames but this one, I dunno
I’d love more information on the range of the exe. Compared to the rise or specialized SL?
Looks like all emtb youtube channels are talking about this bike. and there is very good reason for that. It really has the potential to crush the competition.
How would this fare in double-duty as a road bike? Specifically range. In an ideal world I find a bike I can use for technical Rocky mtn trails but that my wife could also use, with a switch to slicks, to join me on a regular road bike, for 80-120km road rides.
This is an amazing bike, Trek have released a game changer so playful.
However I have put both my levo sl and Trek fuel exe on a comparison 20 degrees hill climb test and I was shocked to see that my levo sl pulls a lot harder than the fuel exe.
Side by side the levo sl pulled ahead even with me 95kg on the sl vs 70kg on the exe.
I think the Trek app allows you to tune the power at each boost level - had you done that at all?
That's not good news
At 10:29, see missing one of the 4 screws that secure chainring to front spider. Yikes!
@Rob - you should come with some details about the issues that are developing on this motor too...
Not really sure how I’d get along with the Scott Syncros stem bar combo, and the 2018 GT force frame seems dated. The quiet motor is really cool though. Tough choice.
Lol what are you talking about?
Game changer for mee would bee an Tq with 80nm 600-700 battery with 19 20 kg.... But still I love my rise
gorgeous bike!
My hope is that TQ comes out with a more powerful motor that can easily compete with those found in full fat ebikes.
Full power with little to no motor noise than the competition. That's the dream, I guess. 👌🏽
Trek is already on board with TQ. Maybe with the next version of the Rail. I just hope the TQ holds up.
Tq has a 120nm motor on Haibike for 2-3 years now
@@mtbmike9866 but it wasn't so great as this new one . 90nm at 60 rpm would be perfect
how does it pedal if the battery is empty ???
I recon if you are installing your rear wheel like a savage, then it wouldn't matter if you have a carbon or aluminum frame, the concern would be scratching the paint and not the frame. I don't really see the point in adding a metal guard, but then again I'm not a savage.
Hey Rob any word if ion batteries are out lithium iron will be in for safty
Do that enduro build video please. It looks like it could be a great enduro rig
I’m 185cm, I ride a levo expert S5, large or xl?
Replacement arrived!By the way, I did forget to mention that the original lure did have a decent strike however as most anglers will attest you can get a hit ruclips.net/user/postUgkxCbNOWAGmn6nfbCbJDmasvBq7J38KZNw2 and fish will hang on and release lure. I used the replacement lure yesterday and ran thru a Shimano Waxwing, Kastmaster, Bobber (set to sink). I found the does run deep (I casting on the flats 3.5'). Make sure you adjust your rate of retrieve and rod tip angle (up) to prevent getting snagged on bottom. Used it a couple of times and action was very lifelike (looked like local bait fish for trevally), craftsmanship very good....however eyeball fell out. I asked for replacement and it is on it's way! It was very easy to change out treble to single inline hook.
Hi. love your video!! Where can I find the telescopic holder of the bike i see in the video?
It’s a fishing rod rest!
Amazon or ebay 👍
@Rob Rides EMTB thanks
hi what is the range for the Trek Fuel EXe 9.5 ?
Is it possible to charge the battery when it has been removed from the bike? For example, if you live in a flat and have to leave the bike outside.
Yes, battery can be charged off the bike no problem!
I wonder why Trek went with the 50Nm system over the 60Nm system Pivot and Transition went with?
11:22 Many (most?) airlines ban ebikes, even with the battery removed. Don't know why...
Some Bikeparks here in Germany don't let you use the lift anymore with your battery installed. I cannot take mine out of the Kenevo SL so I won't be going to some of those. It's also not powerful enough to pedal up the hills there or it's no fun really as I want to only shred in a bikepark and not care about the uphill.
I am 1,90 at 82KG - Would you recommend me to get the XL?
I don't get the cable to the rear derailleur. It completely defeats the purpose of wireless, no? I agree, go for the XT over AXS GX.
I've ridden so many different torque ebikes. My determination is Torque Is King! All the SLs are fine for a nice day out, but a fully fatty ebike is awesome for a day of "real" riding. 😁
Exactly. I believe these lower power bikes will be flooding EBAY in a few years after people learn this lesson first hand.
@@shophacks depends want u want to ride and how you ride. Definition of a day of “real” rising is open to opinion and interpretation
@@chrisrae1254true, but in most cases the weight difference doesn't affect much compared to power and capacity which make a big difference when you need them. You can always turn down a full fat and ride twice as long but you can never turn up a low power bike. My full fat handles much better than my Giant TranceX so what's a few lbs?
Granted, I don't have a wide range of experience so I'm surely missing something but my guess is that, because it's early, riders are attracted to bikes that are closer to what they are used to. I believe that will give way to reason over time and low power/capacity bikes like this will eventually represent a small niche market.
Time will tell. It's nice to see the hardware continually evolving regardless. The market will tell manufacturers what is best with time and riders win regardless.
I can see almost no Orbea Rise bikes for sale and they have been out for years
@@jamietaylor9410
People who buy the less expensive bikes probably aren't ready to shell out that much money so soon and these bikes seem to hold up for a long time.
I think it will take a while before the full fats start leaving the low power bikes behind. A guy I ride with already sold his low power bike when I joined the group with a turbo Levo.
What do you see as the advantage of a low power low capacity bike? They are lighter but that seems relatively insignificant compared to twice the range or twice the power. Maybe I'm missing something??
Rob, is there any news on the motor being able to have the torque increased to maybe a 60nm, ( via software tweek) to take on the orbea / other brands that are due to release mid-power bikes ?
Very likely they could do it, but I doubt they will. It will probably introduce more noise.
@@RobRidesEMTB and maybe hurt durability.
Any news from TQ about making bigger motors with higher Nm torques? Is there a size limit to how small or lager they can build their motor for a given performace on a frame?
Honestly I'd be more interested then if the motor was just a tad bigger and the battery not the smallest I've seen since looking at commuter models...
Maybe it's just me in the U.S. but when you say "Full Fat" bike I only think of a fat bike with 4" wide tires! Is it just me or does it get confusing? I normally hear and would say "Full Power" or "Standard Power" when referring to a traditional high torque motor or high capacity battery bike.
A year later and now with an alloy version has there been a firmware update for 27.5”?