for chorusing with the 2290, set the lfo phase to 90 or 180 degrees. you'll get lots of extra width! you can also use both lfos, if you target one to left and one to right with slightly different rates and waveforms. for U2 dotted 8th style delays, i find a rate of about 3.5Hz and a depth of about 35% sounds great. be aware that setting phase reverse to one side will cause the delay or chorus effect to completely cancel out if summed to mono (common problem that many people experience and don't know what's causing it.)
How do you "targe one to left and one to right"? There's only a single balance control. Do you have to use 2 delay blocks in parallel with each panned hard right and left? Confused :)
i'm referring to the lfo's. there are two of them. they each have a "target" parameter, which can be set to left, right, or both (which refers to sides of the stereo field). if you use one lfo, set it to both and then set the phase to something other than zero. this will put the lfo out of phase with respect to the left and right channels, in the same way a stereo chorus would and you'll hear this as "width".
Hey Leon, I’ve got an Axe III on the way but a real reason I’m so ecstatic to unpack it is your tutorials. You’ve done us a serious solid. Impeccably done and and never boring. Thank you, bro.
Invaluable. I just got my axe fx III the other day. Holy sh•t!!! I literally don’t need any of my old gear. This vid was ridiculously helpful in figuring out those 80’s delays/choruses that I could always hear/identify, but could never dial in. Dude, your vids on the Axe fx III are now my go to for making the most out of my unit!
Thank You! This just changed everything, all my presets sound incredible with this. I had a Dimension C #2 in everything and it was smoothing everything out, and was using an Ambient Stereo Delay as my go to. However, I wasn't getting that snarl, the feel was just washed out. I turned off the Dimension C, and used this 2290 block with your settings, as well as a channel for the pinned note, and it is the tone I have been searching for! Awesome, thank you so much! (the Dimension C is still good add to this for the right need, depending on the amp)
Oh no, (growing up having the lush sound of the 2290 ingrained in my being..) the sound of this video is forcing my mouse to click the subscribe button! On serious note, great content and delivery!
those stock Digital Stereo delay settings also have the L/R Time Ratio knob set to 100% - this means no difference between Left and Right :D so just turn that down a bit and you'll see the Feedback change, making the 2 sides slightly different. then you get a Stereo Image from that delay.
Excellent tutorial for anyone using any delay. I always watch Delay tutorials because it's amusing to watch the shit show that usually happens. Have a great day down there Brother.
My preferred delay is the TC 2290 stuff and I also prefer the quarter note setting. In my old Marshall JMP-1/ 9200 rig I used the TC Electric D TWO rack unit for my 2290 sounds. That was great. It was so open sounding. With my JVM410HJS I use the Flashback delay pedal's 2290 setting in the loop. I really like that as well. The Axe-FX does a similar 2290 type delay pretty well. I like what I am hearing from this delay.
@@LeonTodd I still have a G Force in the 2nd loop (Before the power amp) in the JVM410HJS too. I love the TC Electronic stuff. The G Force has a great delay, but the 2290 is my preferred delay and that's why I got the Flashback and run that through the regular effects loop. The 2 together, set differently is pretty cool on some solos. Of course, more gear, more loops, more cables, but the speakers say it's ok.
@@LeonTodd I actually sold it recently, just ordered an Axe FX 3 today. When I had it, I ran it on my patchbay that way I could take a mic'd guitar signal through it if need be, or I can use it as a send in Pro Tools and run vocals through it when mixing.
man please do a video of the velvet sun preset, not much information on internet. I don't own an axe fx but I would like to know the block chain of that amazing sound.
So how did/do the famous users use the 2290 live in their live rig chain? I'm talking about if the run mono (like most do) do the just take one of the outputs and not combine the two so not to have the phase cancelation issues and not hearing any delay at all?
I 've owned my 2290 since 1989. There is no phase issue with taking either one of the real 2290s or one of the fractals outputs into a mono amp as Edge and so on does. The widening effect only happens to the delay(ONLY) if both 2290 outputs are used into 2 amps at equal volume and certain switches are not engaged in the pan mod section.. It's nice in the axe fx sim as with the old 2290 , you have the option to put the delay in proper phase if you wish. I've stayed away from Fractal but this new III is very capable and does many things so very well.
this was fantastic! loved the video. Leon let me ask you this about your high gain stuff......I noticed that in your blocks above there doesn't seem to be a gate or an expander to help control hiss and hum etc......what you doing in this video to help control those things? Because I hear not hiss, no buzz no anything, which is great!
Leon Todd oh wow! Ok. I did not realize that. Just got my Axe yesterday and still figuring things out. Does that mean the gate is global if it’s on input one and that is the one you are using to feed into the axe?
I dig your tone. I have a question about it. I created a new preset and set my page exactly the same as yours, but my tone sounds like a moderately overdriven guitar. I can't get that distortion that I'm hearing from your tone. This happens with every new amp/preset I try to create. Am I missing something? I set all the Drive, Amp, Cab, M-Comp & Delay to the same settings as yours down to the number - but it just sounds like a slightly dirty-clean tone guitar. Help?
Todd, did you ever have a TC2290? When you say "the original TC2290 had a delay line out of phase with the other delay line"... is not correct. There never was more than a single delay line in there. It was one delay feeding two outputs with ANALOG level control and ANALOG phase inversion on one of the outputs. When you sum two opposite phases signals to mono the sound disappears as it gets canceled by a very simple math formula...+1-1=0 no sound. But the thing is that ANALOG out of phase control is a completely different story from digital phase inversion. Analog sounds just many times bigger and wider. The TC2290 is not a stereo delay. It's mono like all the great delays. There never was a real non_DSP based stereo delay. Some had multiple delay lines, like the Lexicon PrimeTime, but a true stereo delay is something else...meaning that both lines use a single delay control and are tightly phase locked. Two TC2290s can do that if equipped with a special expansion board. I have two of them... but no expansion... unfortunately. Another important detail why this "emulation" doesn't really sound like the real thing is the A/D conversion. The TC2290 uses 1 bit conversion running at super high speed; a technology borrowed by late 1980s CD players not much used in other products because it's was expensive and using standard off the shelf SigmaDelta converters is much cheaper and everything on DeltaSigma technology just sound the same. No joy! You do not catch the harmonic spectrum content and transients punch of the real TC2290 with any other type of conversion... no matter the gazillion bits you add to that. It's just another story. Last but not least... the amount of ANALOG circuitry in the TC2290 is massive and that all contributes to tonal character completely lost in full digital designs, much cheaper and characteless- You remeber what I told you about those Roland delays, running feedback in analog domain? The TC2290 does that too... and that ain't no minor detail at all. DSPs don't do that. Check the schematics here: www.google.com/search?q=TC2290+Block+Schematics.pdf&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjEzeS8wNjuAhWggqQKHerWAT8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=TC2290+Block+Schematics.pdf&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1CD_QFYv4YCYPCMAmgAcAB4AIABUYgBtgKSAQE0mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=4z4gYITQF6CFkgXqrYf4Aw&client=firefox-b-d#imgrc=ibCAKaw2MreWGM Get a TC2290 and put it side by side to anything... and you'll laugh! I've done that.
I just bought the Axe FX III based on these videos. Wondering about harmonizer settings and how good those really are. Right now I use a TC G-Major harmonizer (+6c left/-6c right) to get a great stereo spread effect on my clean tones. I would like to do the same thing on the Axe FX. Is this possible?
Fortune in Lies \m/ Charlie Dominici was great. Did he ever do anything beyond that first DT album? I never liked LaBrie so besides the first album and a few Images and Words; I was out.
Leon, I am trying to understand hi cut and low cut. Am I correct if I have a patch where I think there is to much highs I would turn the high cut down (counter clockwise)aand the highs will be cut sooner, likewise with low cut and if I need more highs or lows i turn knob clockwise so the frequency is cut later?
Hello! I'm wondering what track you're using while recording those effects, mono or stereo? I'm not able to get the full stereo effect while recording in mono... I don't know if that makes sense ahah. My recordings sound very phasy and compressed. Hope you can help! Thanks!
Because it sounds like a good: •Preamp •Power Amp •Speaker •Mic + Mic Pre •2290 •1210 for about half the price, less. Is it JUST the Axe FX III in use here?
no, it's not true stereo, in that it does not preserve any stereo image going into it. but it "stereoises" the mono delay by using stereo lfo's and phase reversing one side of the image.
well the dry signal will pass through the block in stereo. it's only the delay that will be in mono. just like the real hardware unit. if you want a true stereo delay, then you can just choose one of the stereo models.
for chorusing with the 2290, set the lfo phase to 90 or 180 degrees. you'll get lots of extra width! you can also use both lfos, if you target one to left and one to right with slightly different rates and waveforms. for U2 dotted 8th style delays, i find a rate of about 3.5Hz and a depth of about 35% sounds great. be aware that setting phase reverse to one side will cause the delay or chorus effect to completely cancel out if summed to mono (common problem that many people experience and don't know what's causing it.)
great addendum to the vid, thanks...
Simeon is the man !
These settings sound incredible! Pinning this post since the master has spoken :D
How do you "targe one to left and one to right"? There's only a single balance control. Do you have to use 2 delay blocks in parallel with each panned hard right and left? Confused :)
i'm referring to the lfo's. there are two of them. they each have a "target" parameter, which can be set to left, right, or both (which refers to sides of the stereo field). if you use one lfo, set it to both and then set the phase to something other than zero. this will put the lfo out of phase with respect to the left and right channels, in the same way a stereo chorus would and you'll hear this as "width".
Hey Leon, I’ve got an Axe III on the way but a real reason I’m so ecstatic to unpack it is your tutorials. You’ve done us a serious solid. Impeccably done and and never boring. Thank you, bro.
Invaluable. I just got my axe fx III the other day. Holy sh•t!!! I literally don’t need any of my old gear. This vid was ridiculously helpful in figuring out those 80’s delays/choruses that I could always hear/identify, but could never dial in.
Dude, your vids on the Axe fx III are now my go to for making the most out of my unit!
Great to hear! It's a magic machine :D
This sounds amazing. Im selling my Helix and my Kemper
Thank You! This just changed everything, all my presets sound incredible with this. I had a Dimension C #2 in everything and it was smoothing everything out, and was using an Ambient Stereo Delay as my go to. However, I wasn't getting that snarl, the feel was just washed out. I turned off the Dimension C, and used this 2290 block with your settings, as well as a channel for the pinned note, and it is the tone I have been searching for! Awesome, thank you so much! (the Dimension C is still good add to this for the right need, depending on the amp)
Killer! The Dimension is a very subtle chorus IMO whereas the TC can get a bit meaner. Love both too :)
Its real nice to nail the tone you've been hearing in your head.
Oh no, (growing up having the lush sound of the 2290 ingrained in my being..) the sound of this video is forcing my mouse to click the subscribe button! On serious note, great content and delivery!
Both magical devices!
After seeing this video i will definitely use 2290 in my patches. Thank you Leon!
It's magic in stereo
This is my favourite delay on the AX8! It just sounds huge and very 80's to me which is what I love. Great video Leon!
You are the best great stuff on all the videos you post thank you so much
This video is highly underrated. I appreciate the help Leon!
those stock Digital Stereo delay settings also have the L/R Time Ratio knob set to 100% - this means no difference between Left and Right :D so just turn that down a bit and you'll see the Feedback change, making the 2 sides slightly different. then you get a Stereo Image from that delay.
I'm used to the Stereo BBD where it's 95%, my bad! Sounds lush with the offset
Excellent tutorial for anyone using any delay.
I always watch Delay tutorials because it's amusing to watch the shit show that usually happens.
Have a great day down there Brother.
Thanks so much mate. Agree that once delay gets fired up it can all go south very quickly!
Thank you Leon
ty...love that
My preferred delay is the TC 2290 stuff and I also prefer the quarter note setting. In my old Marshall JMP-1/ 9200 rig I used the TC Electric D TWO rack unit for my 2290 sounds. That was great. It was so open sounding. With my JVM410HJS I use the Flashback delay pedal's 2290 setting in the loop. I really like that as well. The Axe-FX does a similar 2290 type delay pretty well. I like what I am hearing from this delay.
I used to own a G Major and a Flashback x4 and always enjoyed the 2290 mode too
@@LeonTodd I still have a G Force in the 2nd loop (Before the power amp) in the JVM410HJS too. I love the TC Electronic stuff. The G Force has a great delay, but the 2290 is my preferred delay and that's why I got the Flashback and run that through the regular effects loop. The 2 together, set differently is pretty cool on some solos. Of course, more gear, more loops, more cables, but the speakers say it's ok.
Sounds awesome! I've owned a 2290 and this sounds so close!
That's always great to know - the 2290 is a true classic! how do you run it in your rig?
@@LeonTodd I actually sold it recently, just ordered an Axe FX 3 today. When I had it, I ran it on my patchbay that way I could take a mic'd guitar signal through it if need be, or I can use it as a send in Pro Tools and run vocals through it when mixing.
Excited for you!
Wow! Great video!
I think the sound is there. What's missing is the psychology of seeing all those RED l.E.DS and blinking
Hahaha totally agree! Flashing lights make everything better
Love that amp. Live the 2 c plus also
AX8, please
IIC++ killer Sound
Awesome video! Can you by any chance share this patch?
man please do a video of the velvet sun preset, not much information on internet. I don't own an axe fx but I would like to know the block chain of that amazing sound.
Sounds great! I have an ax8 but this still applies I believe. As always great tones Leon!
So how did/do the famous users use the 2290 live in their live rig chain? I'm talking about if the run mono (like most do) do the just take one of the outputs and not combine the two so not to have the phase cancelation issues and not hearing any delay at all?
I 've owned my 2290 since 1989. There is no phase issue with taking either one of the real 2290s or one of the fractals outputs into a mono amp as Edge and so on does. The widening effect only happens to the delay(ONLY) if both 2290 outputs are used into 2 amps at equal volume and certain switches are not engaged in the pan mod section.. It's nice in the axe fx sim as with the old 2290 , you have the option to put the delay in proper phase if you wish. I've stayed away from Fractal but this new III is very capable and does many things so very well.
this was fantastic! loved the video. Leon let me ask you this about your high gain stuff......I noticed that in your blocks above there doesn't seem to be a gate or an expander to help control hiss and hum etc......what you doing in this video to help control those things? Because I hear not hiss, no buzz no anything, which is great!
The input block has a gate built in
Leon Todd oh wow! Ok. I did not realize that. Just got my Axe yesterday and still figuring things out. Does that mean the gate is global if it’s on input one and that is the one you are using to feed into the axe?
Under time/fb mine says more not duck
I dig your tone. I have a question about it. I created a new preset and set my page exactly the same as yours, but my tone sounds like a moderately overdriven guitar. I can't get that distortion that I'm hearing from your tone. This happens with every new amp/preset I try to create. Am I missing something? I set all the Drive, Amp, Cab, M-Comp & Delay to the same settings as yours down to the number - but it just sounds like a slightly dirty-clean tone guitar.
Help?
Todd, did you ever have a TC2290?
When you say "the original TC2290 had a delay line out of phase with the other delay line"... is not correct. There never was more than a single delay line in there. It was one delay feeding two outputs with ANALOG level control and ANALOG phase inversion on one of the outputs. When you sum two opposite phases signals to mono the sound disappears as it gets canceled by a very simple math formula...+1-1=0 no sound. But the thing is that ANALOG out of phase control is a completely different story from digital phase inversion. Analog sounds just many times bigger and wider.
The TC2290 is not a stereo delay. It's mono like all the great delays. There never was a real non_DSP based stereo delay. Some had multiple delay lines, like the Lexicon PrimeTime, but a true stereo delay is something else...meaning that both lines use a single delay control and are tightly phase locked. Two TC2290s can do that if equipped with a special expansion board. I have two of them... but no expansion... unfortunately.
Another important detail why this "emulation" doesn't really sound like the real thing is the A/D conversion. The TC2290 uses 1 bit conversion running at super high speed; a technology borrowed by late 1980s CD players not much used in other products because it's was expensive and using standard off the shelf SigmaDelta converters is much cheaper and everything on DeltaSigma technology just sound the same. No joy!
You do not catch the harmonic spectrum content and transients punch of the real TC2290 with any other type of conversion... no matter the gazillion bits you add to that. It's just another story.
Last but not least... the amount of ANALOG circuitry in the TC2290 is massive and that all contributes to tonal character completely lost in full digital designs, much cheaper and characteless- You remeber what I told you about those Roland delays, running feedback in analog domain? The TC2290 does that too... and that ain't no minor detail at all. DSPs don't do that. Check the schematics here:
www.google.com/search?q=TC2290+Block+Schematics.pdf&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjEzeS8wNjuAhWggqQKHerWAT8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=TC2290+Block+Schematics.pdf&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1CD_QFYv4YCYPCMAmgAcAB4AIABUYgBtgKSAQE0mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=4z4gYITQF6CFkgXqrYf4Aw&client=firefox-b-d#imgrc=ibCAKaw2MreWGM
Get a TC2290 and put it side by side to anything... and you'll laugh! I've done that.
Go check out the lead tone from Zo2 on a track called isolate. It’s gold. This nails it I think
I just bought the Axe FX III based on these videos. Wondering about harmonizer settings and how good those really are. Right now I use a TC G-Major harmonizer (+6c left/-6c right) to get a great stereo spread effect on my clean tones. I would like to do the same thing on the Axe FX. Is this possible?
Yep, use the pitch block detune mode. You can use the Quad detune to make it even more lush
Fortune in Lies \m/ Charlie Dominici was great. Did he ever do anything beyond that first DT album? I never liked LaBrie so besides the first album and a few Images and Words; I was out.
Yeah I really like Charlie's voice. He did a few albums under as "Dominici" which have some cool moments.
Leon, I am trying to understand hi cut and low cut. Am I correct if I have a patch where I think there is to much highs I would turn the high cut down (counter clockwise)aand the highs will be cut sooner, likewise with low cut and if I need more highs or lows i turn knob clockwise so the frequency is cut later?
Hi Leon, I saw on fractal Wiki delay effect block: no dotted eight delay type? or Maybe I am wrong?
You can set up any rhythmic subdivision you like on any delay you like. I use a dotted eighth delay on just about everything.
@@LeonTodd thanks for the torch
Hello! I'm wondering what track you're using while recording those effects, mono or stereo? I'm not able to get the full stereo effect while recording in mono... I don't know if that makes sense ahah. My recordings sound very phasy and compressed. Hope you can help! Thanks!
The 2290 reverses the phase of one side of the stereo spectrum so it won't work in mono
@@LeonTodd thanks for the fast reply! So I assume we have to record all the stereo effects in stereo tracks...
@@intigori yes, by definition - they wouldn't be stereo otherwise.
@@LeonTodd ok perfect, thanks for clarifying!
Sounds great! Does it have a 1210 sim as well?
It doesn't have an explicit 1210 model but there's enough options in there to cop those tones. I'll do a preset sometime soon.
I played this video in my car, where I get the best stereo effect. Questioning why I haven't bought an Axe FX III yet.
Because it sounds like a good:
•Preamp
•Power Amp
•Speaker
•Mic + Mic Pre
•2290
•1210
for about half the price, less. Is it JUST the Axe FX III in use here?
I'd love to hear how it stacks up against the big Eventides you've got; that would make for some interesting content!
Yeah it's Guitar - Axe - Protools with no post processing, using the Axe as a USB interface. Incredible.
How are you recording this?
Direct from the Axe USB
Leon - what do you mean by the 2290 block being "faux stereo"? Is not a real stereo delay block?
no, it's not true stereo, in that it does not preserve any stereo image going into it. but it "stereoises" the mono delay by using stereo lfo's and phase reversing one side of the image.
@@Simeon_Harris Interesting... so does that mean in the Fractal world, using a 2290 delay block will collapse your stereo signal to mono?
well the dry signal will pass through the block in stereo. it's only the delay that will be in mono. just like the real hardware unit. if you want a true stereo delay, then you can just choose one of the stereo models.
terrible out of phase ))) I don`t like this kind of sound) but it`s just me)) I see many of players like it!
That's the beauty of a unit like this, there's something for everyone!
@@LeonTodd for sure Leon). Thank you for your videos!