The Me262 Was Jaw Dropping For Its Time | World War II Dogfight | IL-2 Great Battles.
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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you prefer more up close and personal dogfights consider the IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battle series and experience intense WWII aerial combat over famous battlefields such as Stalingrad, Moscow, Rhineland and Normandy. Fight in and against Russian, American, German, British warbirds such as the P-51 Mustang, P-47 Thunderbolt, Bf-109, FW-190, Spitfire, Hurricane and rugged IL-2 Sturmovik attack plane. You can also fly legendary SPADS, Fokkers and Camels in WWI dogfights over the trenches of WWI and discover your inner Red Baron! And all of this can be experienced in jaw dropping virtual reality!
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.
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If anyone is wondering why my left wing had bullet holes in it, (I guess the scene got deleted in editing) I got a little too close to one of those A20s and the gunner sprayed my left side, nothing too bad just a few holes but I deff got lucky. Anyway thats the Me262 there I hope you guys enjoyed and thank you for watching. Me262 is available through the Battle Of Bodenplatte Expansion.
i wondered if you could make a video about how you can be more spatial aware in a combat sone in the f16 viper BVR
Is this a mission or multiplayer server?
look man, you said it yourself. Me262 vs Tempest dogfight when?
also great vid. its always fun to hear you having fun in these videos and theyre always entertaining. i hope you can achieve what you want in life and wish you good luck!
@@justinsmith9135 just a mission
I have a request, can you do the opposite and fly the P-51 against the Me-262?
The absolute disrespect of being shot down by somebody who says "YOINK" as they pull the trigger
lold
That's my kill....yoink!!!
Not to mention getting your kill stolen by one
Think fast chucklenuts!
Wonder what "yoink" is in German.
Hey, keep in mind MK108s have incredibly short barrels so their muzzle velocity is low and they have a lot of drop. Get close or give it A TON of lead. More than you think you need.
If you look at the cartridge the MK108/3 cannons used, it is majority bullet instead of casing. They focused mostly on projectile mass instead of velocity.
@@MPdude237 yeah didnt they have mine projectiles?
More like a high velocity grenade launcher than a cannon.
@@eaglepnw they had several, they HEIR, and the time delay h. explosive ment to punch into the fuselage and then detonate. Highly effective against b17, 2 rounds could blow the tail section off.
@@Robert53area DAMN
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@@GrowlingSidewinder
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P-38 VS Mosquito 😅👍
My father worked for a company in the 1990s building 262s. They had a original they took apart and built several 262s that are flying today. As a kid I remember sitting in the original. I remember you could change the length of the stick because the controls were very hard to move at high speed. Do to compression
Lucky you
Nice.
@@aangxazor5759 your father must have been cool
Wow that’s cool
The 262c!
p-38s getting destroyed really shows how much the engine of il-2 gb can do, with all those structurally damaged parts bending as the wind hits them at different angles
Meanwhile, DCS is implementing a damage model akin to Il-2 FB (which was way ahead of it's time).
@@CakePrincessCelestia meanwhile, you spontaneously explode from 1 12.7mm shot in war thunder.
@@johanmikkael6903 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can't even take War Thunder seriously, because of incidents like this.
A man in my church, now in his 90s, was a navigator on B-17s. He remembers seeing an Me-262 making a head-on attack on his formation. A vivid memory of the four cannon flashing as it came at them at about 700 mph closing speed.
700 mph is a bit generous for a 262 at any Altitude
@@Graczent.D Not when the aircraft in the opposite direction is doing close to 200 mph.
@@cm7862 Ah, closing speed, still a bit very generous but more reasonable
@@Graczent.D definitely a little generous, that Me-262 would have to be doing 600mph airspeed, which as far as I am aware is 60-80mph faster than its known top speed. Perhaps if it had been coming from crazy dive, at high altitude.
@@Blinkin97 The 262s top speed was around 560mph. The B17 around 250mph. A closing speed of 700mph is not “generous” it’s completely within the realm of possibility.
From memory, (and I'm paraphrasing) Adolph Galland said "It's pointless targeting fighters; your fire is better spent on the bombers, more trained crew and resources are lost every time a bomber goes down...."
At my accountant's Christmas party a fellow client was "holding court" in the kitchen, mesmerizing the crowd with his exploits as a P-51 pilot over Germany. He was asked about the 262s. He said they did their best to avoid them, and soon the word got out that the 262 range was pitiful, and most landed with engines out due to fuel starvation. The P-51s would loiter on the approach to the German airfields and destroy the helpless 262s as they glided in to land.
The Germans responded to the attacks on the final by lining the approach with anti-aircraft guns. The British lost so many Tempest fighters they gave up the tactic
@@spacecoyote6646 Also, a big part of the Me 262's operational history was shaped by the fact that by late in the war, the Luftwaffe was outnumbered by something like 10:1. If I recall correctly, most of the 262s that were destroyed were destroyed on the ground.
The MK108 was a technological marvel for its time. It fired massive HE projectiles from an extremely light and compact cannon. The only drawback was the slow velocity of about 1,700 FPS. The ME 262 had 4 of these cannons. The top 2 had 100 rounds each and the bottom 2 had 80 rounds each.
The MK 108 was a weapon designed specifically for use against slower, less armored targets (read: heavy bombers). It was also mounted on dogfighters such as Bf 109, FW 190 and derivatives exclusively for reasons of lightness and compactness. For fast, well-armored targets, the MK 103 was preferred, but it was heavy, bulky and expensive to manufacture. One was a Volkswagen, the other was a Porsche. Be content with what you have on hand
This can’t be real, as showed in the documentary movie “red tails” P51s were able to survive after being hit by the motorkanone 😂
Isn’t that the same movie where the p51 did a 360 rudder turn as a 109 went by? So stupid I can’t believe they did that in the movie
@@GrowlingSidewinder Yeah, that's it
@@GrowlingSidewinder they should've had you was a technical consultant
@@memonk11 well it’s only a movie made to entertain people which are not familiar with flight; as many others
@@memonk11 I saw red tails and had actually a nice script; obviously that’s my opinion and the combat scenes are awful
More 262 content for sure. For sure? For. Sure. Nothing quite like watching a Spitfire pilot get 30mm in the teeth. 30mm is so big you need to put a postage stamp on it before sending. Loving the VR vids GS. Feels like we are also in the plane.
thanks brother I appreciate you tuning in and I'm glad you're enjoying, much love.
It's more of a grenade launcher than an auto-cannon I'd say, something like ags-17/30 but with better muzzle velocity.
@@vczs a non-explosive grenade launcher... Unless it's carrying HE rounds on which case all opposition is royally fucked
@@nathangehman7018 mk-108 almost exclusively uses HE shells as muzzle velocity is too low for your typical AP shells.
@@PrimetimeNut Hi, send me a card from Kabul, you who-always-win USAboo
If you're high and fast, the 262 is in fact absolutely deadly. Just make sure you don't get caught low and slow on takeoff or landing by a P-51 or Tempest, because they *will* eat you for breakfast. In my Tempest career, I got my first two jet kills just like that.
262's were great planes except for short range and were killed running out of fuel trying to land and getting shot down.
@@raykrv6a And also that whole thing were they werent actually all that great.
@@connorbranscombe6819 when piloted by a competent person, they were indeed all that great. There were instances where JG7 was sending up 25-30 Me262s against formations of some times 1500 bombers with 500-600 escort fighters and the vast majority of 262s would still make it home.
@@markwilhelmsson385 Def more of a case of too little too late and just plain running out of experienced pilots. Although didn't they have some reliability issues?
@@Arthion The Jumo engines had quite the low air time between maintenance (20h IIRC) because Germany didn’t have access to good materials at this time anymore.
IL-2 has stealthily turned into one of the best sims on the market since it's release. It had a rocky start, but nowadays it's arguably a better overall product than DCS.
Dcs is the better flight sim while IL-2 is the better fight sim
@@pewpew3377 Lmao good summary.
Honestly, can't wait for a Me-163 in Il-2 GB... it's way more intense with the energy management, basically sitting in a glider that has about 8.5 minutes of "replenish my energy state". Was one of my faves in AEP and 46. Still laughing at all those "How been you flying this thing for over half an hour by now and still have fuel?" guys today :D
One of the things that makes this channel the best is the obvious pleasure in gs voice once he's turned somebody into Swiss cheese and the catch fire or explode, AWSOME BRO
"Hold my 30mm" lmao xDD
Also, the battle with the Mk108's absolutely horrible velocity is very relatable, although I admit I only used it in WT. These rounds really pack a punch when they hit but you have to almost double your correction for gravitational effects and increase lead by 1.5x. The problem with the Mk108 vs Mk103 is the shorter barrel if I recall correctly, and there is an additional issue with the Minengeschoss; It is basically a stick of high explosive coated in a very tiny sheet of metal as opposed to APHE or even regular HE which have a shrapnel producing casing. The Minengeschoss is translated to HEHC in English Nomenclature, "High Explosive, High Capacity". Because explosive filler is very light it loses momentum rapidly and the bullet drop is procedurally worse on distance travelled. Its a trade off for the eventual insta-gibs once you get rounds on target you just showed us a reel off!:D
one of my grandfathers was in the medical corps during World War 2, and he said the first time one of these flew over, literally every one on the field stopped what they were doing and watched it in a "dogfight" with an allied plane. i can only guess it was like a VW Bug vs a Porsche or something like that in comparison to speed difference
One of the famous Planes ever. Thumbs up! Looking forward to see the 262 in DCS… Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Despite all the fancy 30mm's and jet engines this still isn't the most dangerous opponent in IL2 - that honour goes to the Soviet U-2VS.
What an absolute beast of an aircraft that thing is.
Last time I had one in my sights it just desintegrated after a short Burst. Its like strafing parked airplanes.
2op
@@Pfandflasche It is just trying to lull you into a false sense of security.
Just because one of them exploded doesn't mean the Po-2 can't still hurt you. You kill one, there's still at least 19,999 of them coming after you. If you explode one of them every day, it would take you almost 55 years to destroy all of them.
Rhe U-2VS is very slow in nearly everything it does. In the Specifications screen it is listed as having a climb rate of 38 minutes and 20 seconds to 3500 meters. I can’t imagine it would be very fast or useful at that altitude but that is what it’s naturally aspirated engine is capable of climbing to.
@@HerraTohtori Also don't forget it's the only Biplane in the world with a Jet Kill to its name; took out a F-94 during Korea...
(just ignore the circumstances around that incident, that's just Capitalist Propaganda trying to discredit the almighty PO-2)
9:22 The main reason I love IL-2: those damage models are truly awesome
A quartet of Aden 30mm mounted inline, play a symphony of destruction. Ideal for high closure rates against heavy bombers. Used against fighters, well, Mr. Sidewinder demonstrates the results with wicked precision. Fun video.
“Hold my 30 mil buddy.”
The 262 is truly a beast of a plane. Would love to see a B-17 intercept mission for the next one 👌🏼
Now if IL-2 would do some alt history content with Horten Ho-229 and the Me-163 Komet…
Great vid! Bodenplatte is at sale for a laughable $27.19 in the premium version. You can´t do something wrong buying that marvel.
Premium Version also comes with the P-38 right ? instead of having to buy the P-38 as a collector plane I believe.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Exactly. IMHO it's always worth getting Premium. Moar tois :)
Yeah, GS did a solid by hyping the IL-2 steam sale. Walked away with ... a lot.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Yep. Dora and P38 are the additional collector planes of the premium version. Both planes are a ton of fun to fly
The energy of those cannon shells are incredible. Watching one of the spitfires physically go ouch and buckle at speed was a sight to be seen!
Crew chief asks, "Sir, why is there a tire skid mark on your starboard wing?"
Dang, this stuff feels so real, and us viewers aren't even in VR or controlling the plane!
Nice landing! Your rudder work is spot on now. 😎
haha naah I'm still awful me262 being a jet is a little more in more comfort zone I think.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Thanks for taking the time to reply, sincerely appreciated! I don't mean to be an LSO, but landings tell you a lot about how serious a pilot takes their flying. Great work today and enjoy the rest of your weekend!
It'll be interesting to see a fight between the 262 and a F-80 or a Meteor
Eric Brown had already made a prediction on this, something like 77 years ago
The ME262 is lucky it never had to face a P-80. The P-80s that would've been in Europe had the war (for whatever reason) had lasted into the later parts of 1945 would have absolutely smoked them.
@@jakecurry7367 Had the war lasted until the end of 1945, the P-80 would have absolutely continued to transport pizzas from the Tyrrhenian to the Adriatic coast, shuttling fresh two-legged flesh back from the Balkans to the allied troops in Naples - which was its only capability. As far as you know, the P-80s have been in Italy for many months, carefully kept away from the Luftwaffe, for understandable reasons.
Indeed
You always manage to make interesting videos, even for people who don't actually fly the sims you showcase. Great job!
im just imaging you in vr flying, looking at everything in your room, and yelling at the corner of your desk lol
I’m so glad you made this video. Please more with ME-262
man all this ww2 content making me wanna kiss you
lol, well lets hold off on that for now.
@@GrowlingSidewinder lol
@@GrowlingSidewinder "for now" whad do ya mean by that🤨
I'm open to negotiations down the road.
lol jk
"First time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down." - Chuck Yeager.
As a kid I was in love with this plane and I still adore it. It was way ahead of its time
IL-2 simultaneously has some of my favorite and least favorite damage effects of any combat flight sim. I think it shows small hits and light structural damage really well, but the planes are weirdly durable during destruction.
The Swallow is an incredible aircraft. I got a chance to see one at an air show in Houston a few weeks ago. It didn’t fly this year.....darn.
Watching some of your vids got me back into VR. Like a lot of people I had lots of trouble getting my Oculus to work on IL2 after Meta came along. Just could not get it working. Many attempts, and much swearing was necessary. But finally I am up and running again after an 18 month break. The WW1 aircraft are fabulous. So I now blame you for my wife calling me a big kid. Cheers. Keep chuckling.
Nice to see you step over into IL2 once in awhile. As great as DCS is, the variety of IL2 makes for excellent match-ups.
I really hope they're working on a Meteor module, it would be awesome to see a dogfight between these two beasts. Technically the Meteor was operational at this time just not allowed to fly over Axis held territory, but we could bend the rules a little...
Ye so technically it couldn’t because it didn’t fought = airacomet / p80 shooting star / me262 hg 1
@@nighthawk6755 It did do some fighting, just not over German held territory, as they didnt want the Germans(Or Soviets) gathering intelligence from a crashed one.
''Als ob ein Engel schiebt.''
Make sure you have some 109s or 190s covering your landing approach and takeoff though.
Time to put you into a Komet.
I am really surprised that they even modeled the spring loaded leading edge flaps. They were part of the pre-flight checks I saw on a WWII film by the Luftwaffe. It showed aircraft mechanic double checking that both flaps were equally loaded under spring tension.
I honestly dig the more OG battlefield song clip you use. It brings back gooood memories haha
I know it's sad as a grown man watching someone else play a game, but it's so damn fun...
I can only imagine the carnage dealt to the U.S., British, and whomever else's Air Force, if the ME262 had entered the war sooner. Hitler was a crazy bastard S.O.B., but his Luffwaffe engineers were geniuses.
3:47 I could listen to that all day!
I swear ur timing is always too good with these videos man, was literally just thinking about the me 262 yesterday and now this omg thank you!
If you dive on people enough in the 262, you can actually bleed down the energy of a prop trying to get nose on you faster than the prop can recover it. Down to the point where they're on the deck below rate and you can use high instantaneous turn to get them as you fly by.
On a side note, that 30mm cannon in the Me262 is the precursor to the ones used in many modern jets.
Most modern airliners seem to have the ME 262 as an ancestor.
I can barely keep the thing above 330kph at times in level flight for some reason and here you are zooming like a champ!
Dam well one Sir, very impressed.
In the market for a "Flight Simulator" so this one is more to my liking.
Love the 262, a beauty to behold.
THANK YOU..
These must have been so incredible when they first hit the skies. It's like a solid state airplane 😂😂
Loving the WW1 and WW2 content, keep up the great work. More Me-262 videos please!
Excellent fun to fly, flew them many times in one or more of the IL-2 iterations, my squadron buddies and I used to have great fun getting the engines started, spooling up and taking of without them catching fire, sometimes 5 attempts or so, lol. Of course if one went on fire he would open fire on the 262 in front and make sure we all blew up, good times!
One of my favorite planes of all time! It fuselage looks just like a shark.
@Growling Sidewinder Skillz mate! You make dog fighting look so easy! I've just bought a rake of planes and campaigns in the steam sale, Cheers for the heads up Bud 👌
I just bought the rest of the series last night.. and all of the collector planes. God bless the sale. (Already had Stalingrad, Normandy and Bodenplatte)
Solid purchases man it’s nice to see so many people supporting these devs
My favorite fighter to play when I played 'Aces over Europe'. The 30mm Cannon on the ME262 is disgusting.
I see you've beaten that "get those 614k of conventional memory" game as well :)
8:38 the reaction 🤣🤣
It would bevery interesting to see the capabilities of the Me-262 vs later jet fighters such as the F-86, MiG-15, and a few more modern aircraft.
These things, from my knowledge, were literally untouchable in the air.
However, since the Luftwaffe didn't have the means to achieve air superiority from 1944 onward, they were easy targets for the allies when they attacked their airfields.
Germany "could" have had the ME-262 much earlier in the war. But the bearded and the fat guy weren't interested in Jet engines back then and the budget went into other things.
@@JazzJaRa I'm not familiar with this but considering the massive raw materials, manpower, and manufacturing issues they faced during the war I wouldn't be surprised if that's why they didn't build these earlier.
Plus, these jets were a logistical nightmare to maintain and fly and they would have probably been better off building more 109s.
8:35 You can def tell you're using VR by your "Whoooooooaaa Hoooooeee"
It dives like crazy for a WWII jet, has crazy high speed, can still out-turn other jets, and as for armament.... One second burst is comparable to a pair of teen series fighters put together. It's a death ray in slow motion.
Thanks man for making this video. Been waiting for this for so long. You are awesome.
I recall reading the Allied airmen discovered a weakness of the Me-262:it had to accelerate gradually because its engine couldn't take sudden high heat. Germany didn't have access to a heat resistant alloy(I believe it it was chrome-cobalt)which was mined in Turkey so they had to substitute steel. The Allied airman hung around German airfields waiting to pounce on a Me-262 coming in for a landing knowing the pilot couldn't speed away because doing so would destroy his engines.
Are you sure about that?
Afaik the reason pilots of the Me262 had to gradually accelerate is because if they slam the throttle they simply induce a compressor stall and then it all over.
This was WW2 after all so they had no super fancy engine control.
Imagine seeing one of these for the very first time in aviation history
How about a recreation of the first jet on jet battle? Gloucester Meteor vs. V1. Just in general using a few different planes to shoot down flying bombs would be interesting.
Oh, jet planes versus buzzing clay pigeons! What an heroic fight, very British.
Growling sidewinder is the Bob Ross of flight simulators 100%
I love the Battlefield music during the kill cams
Very cool. Don’t suppose they have the British meteor jet fighter. As far as I know they never actually fought despite both being in WW2.
Be interesting
Sadly no Meteors in IL2 yet, possibly in the future though as it would be a nice matchup.
Also no 262 vs Meteor engagements happened unfortunately for us, both sides were hesitant to throw them deep into combat to prevent losses and it was already super late when they actually arrived in Europe anyways.
Same for P-80. They've been there and operating (2 in Italy and 2 in GB IIRC), but never met the 262.
Anyone noticed the ME262 wings' leading edges moving? Never knew they had such elaborate mechanics on that plane - chapeau, thx Il-2!
Leading Edge Slats? They are pretty niffy, and all just moving on their own with only the plane's movement and the air being the mechanism that makes them move.
The Bf/Me-109 has them too
One shot, one kill. What a thrill!
I see me 262 I like
More Me262 gameplay please! It was so emersive to watch
I'd love IL-2 if it only had a clickable cockpit .. I purchased Stalingrad, Kuban & Bodenplate (during sales) but could never get used to their unclickable cockpits. Nice video tough, let's hope that ED will eventually produce a Me-262 for DCS.
Why would you want to click on the cockpit lol? You dont even have a mouse pointer in VR
@@Horendus123 Not everyone is a VR user.
Brilliant Sir, Love your style.
More please.
5:51 this shot is sick xD
Beautiful elegant design on the 262. Always loved it.
Nice plane. I've got one of these flying on a Tempest in Il-2 The Forgotten Battles a few years ago while online.
3:35 that mine shell is very terrifying.
What an absolutely beautiful airplane. And it freely offers perhaps the most honorable death in all of aerial combat, the instant blackout...
GS, would you be planning to upload some tutorials on IL-2? Currently struggling trying to get the hang of most allied fighters.
Love the fact that you transition to the metric units when flying German aircraft, "miss me by centimeters" LOL
oh how long i waited to see GS fly the 262, can you make a vid of a 262 formation attacking bombers?
edit : make
I second this. 262 vs B-17's please.
Yes please I wanna see that
“What’s up my dudes”? Well, it’s 4am here in Australia, it’s a Monday and I’m wondering why I woke up so goddamn early. I made a Lavazza coffee using a plunger, not a stupid percolator, and came back to bed. Since there is FA worth watching on TV at this time, I am laying here playing your video on an old iPad Mini. You just said “I see that P51 down there..” but on this screen I can never see planes when you first spot them, it’s like trying to see the puck in an ice hockey game. But I watch until the end, then to a 5 minute video of cute street cats in Marmaris, Turkey. Now I’m turning on the TV to catch the Breakfast news show on ABC to find out how many people lost their lives to Covid-19 yesterday. So that’s what’s up dude. You did ask..
Lol literal in it's true form underrated
YOU ARE THE BEST THING ON RUclips BY FAR!!!!!!!❤️
no you
F22 of it's day. Where the F22 has maneuverability/stealth, the Me262 had speed/surprise (stealth).
An amazing looking aircraft; so shark like!
8:39 is the best Micheal Jackson impression i've ever heard lmao!
Have to say these graphics are exceptional
Fantastic flying!
Galland had a standing order when he took command of the JV-44 squadron towards the closing of the war. That order was you never dove bellow an opponent as the risk of ingesting debris from them into the Jumbo 004's was too great. So the German jets would always do a climbing over head pass instead against the bombers so as to avoid this. As a single engine Me-262 was as good as dead. Another German I liked was Nowotny when he got his Me-262 group he wanted to continue the snout to snout pass on the bombers since the B-17 and 24's had less armament to deal with an attack from dead front. But when you are going 500+ mph and the target is doing 230 the closing rate is almost as fast as the sound barrier. So he was never able to execute it successfully and so adopted the tail chase like all the other Me-262 groups that was formed after his.
I use the "Erich Hartmann" method.
I wait until the target aircraft fills up my cockpit windshield.. Then I pull the trigger
Can’t believe you killed the SpitFlyer while he was recording his last video at 9:00
4:03 Minengeschoss power ;D
I love this IL-2 Content keep it up! ❤️❤️❤️
This is why the argument of the A-10 Warthog against a WWII bomber formation has traction: It's so close to the Me-262 in flight & firepower manners and performance, you might as well sub one for the other. That, or act like it's the Korean War, and pit the two against one-another... and let guile & skill win-out. ;)
08:39 - lol, GS bursts in to song - you should put that on loop mate.
Since it was supposedly 10 years ahead of its time, still would like to see a match up with an F86 or a MiG15.