Did you go from gaming with vsync to variable refresh rate at the same time? That's an even bigger upgrade in terms of the quality of the experience IMO.
Depends. Vsync gets better at higher refresh rates. I simrace competitively and at 4K120fps Vsync has no more noticeable lag than vsync off, but it's much smoother.
Why bother using Vsync if the TV or monitor supports VRR/adaptive sync tech? I used to always lean for vsync before variable refresh rate monitors were a thing. Now Vsync stays disabled 100% of the time. Just enable Freesync/Gsync or whatever VRR tech is on your display , enable it in gpu software and cap your frames to not exceed the range your display can handle.
Despite not being a pro, I actually really appreciate this. It's nice to have an average option rather than specs and colour accuracy that just confuse me half the time. Does it look good? Is it responsive? Is it cheap enough? Good, done deal!
@@RandomGaminginHD I once saw a vid - high refresh rate monitors will have benefits in all games however the biggest benefit is 1st person shooters. 240ghz wont feel as big of a jump like going from 60-144 or 165. - Linus said this.
yeah when I bought my third monitor it was the first time i purchased one being the Acer Nitro VG271U Mbmiipx at the time it was on sale for $200 which was my price range and I was originally just going to get a 1080p high refreshrate monitor. sure my GPU isn't good enough to run games at 1440p but it not being too big at 27 inches 1080p doesn't look bad and when I upgrade my GPU I will be able too use 1440p
I agree. I'm still using an old Dell 22" monitor (60hz). It was one of those monitors that was included with a "Complete PC in a Box" deals you could buy at Fred Meyers or Walmart. It's actually nice. It has way more ways to connect video inputs to it and it has multiple USB (2.0 only) ports all over it.
haha i like that lol I am a spec sheet warrior true to heart and will spend days just looking at numbers and graphs... its refreshing to hear about the other side of buying things :)
@@jamesabestos2800 Homie the human eye sees everything through motion in light and is incredibly sensitive to said changes in light. These high refresh rates are literally displaying information at more the twice the rate of 60hz. It is objective fact that the human eye can perceive smoothness well beyond 60 fps. VR is ideally displayed at 90 + fps because 60 fps is jarring and can cause motion sickness.
@@jamesabestos2800 The difference I believe comes in how much information is being received. "Human eye cannot see above 60 FPS" is a myth people shared around 10+ years ago. Just the increase in frames being displayed means textures look better in motion, meshes look sharper in motion, everything looks better in motion. Everything is sharper. Everything is crispier. Every action feels smoother and more intuitive.
mate, you really are the people's person absolutely love the fact that the majority of your content is basically revolving around the most realistic and the average user's experience and daily driver keep up the good content, hope your channel grows bigger
I always wondered why you never had a monitor like this. Getting my 144 hz monitor felt like night and day and I’m glad you always got to experience that!
Considering your usual ~30 FPS budget gaming content, when I saw the title for this video I did wonder if you'd actually be able to perceive 165 Hz or not! 😆I switched to 120 Hz gaming last year after years of 60 Hz and I can't go back. The smoothness is so enjoyable, even on the desktop as you said.
@@RandomGaminginHD I kinda disagree with you saying in the video that it's not worth it with humble specs. AAA titles won't run on 165 fps sure, but all your previous games look amazing with it, especially if this allows you to utilize your hardware better. Even games like Dead Cells look amazing and even more fluid with all the motion with 144Hz and that can run on a 13 year old laptop. Everything aside from newer AAA titles benefit from this, so for anyone who wants to play something else than Jedi Survivor (but that runs of 45fps even with a 4080), it's good and makes you appreciate your system even more. Real question is should you go for 1440p 75Hz or 1080p 144Hz?
Hz > Resolution for certain as far as importance goes. Get a nice 1080p 144hz or 165hz over a 1440p 75hz. Warning though, you won't be able to buy another
Literally went through an identical experience yesterday. My 1440p 144hz monitor arrived yesterday. I've only ever played on 75hz or less, so I was staggered at the difference. Definitely made a huge difference in racing games, which is my go to genre
during 'the troubles' (gpu/mining boom/covid) I bought a high refresh rate monitor in lieu of a more expensive upgrade, and it felt like just as profound an upgrade as CPU or GPU.
It's more of a traditional/artistic choice. Your eyes adjust. I liked in into the spiderverse how they used frame rate to indicate different levels of confidence.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 tradition and artistic choice be damned, a choppy mess is not enjoyable, it’s been a norm since the 1920s and we have much better technology now, it take me out of a movie if it’s very choppy, like in puss in boots,
There are two things a lot of gamers have talked about and how it made a good difference and these are really the only things I care about other than the monitor being a good quality. One, being at least 120Hz. The one I got is 144Hz which seems pretty standard Two, moving to 2K. Well, this certainly adds cost, so this is something a person needs to have a little extra money kicking around to do. The things I don't think are necessary for a PC on a typical desktop monitor, moving to 4K, or going above that 120 - 144Hz monitor. You need a really good reason to move into this category otherwise you're wasting money. You could say 2K is wasting a bit of money, but that's a matter of preference for desktop gaming. I honestly didn't do a lot of 1080p gaming so I can't really compare but I certainly enjoy my 32" 16:9 144Hz 2K monitor, and it's mounted on the wall so it leaves the desk clean and it's spaced about the right distance away from where I sit for it to give a good view for gaming. I know plenty of people like those stretched out monitors. Not really into it.
I've just moved from 1440p / 165Hz to 4K / 144Hz. Honestly, in general use the difference between 1440 and 4K when gaming is barely noticable and not really worth the performance hit. 1080 to 1440 is a massive upgrade, but the jump to 4K doesn't have the same impact, Still happy with my purchase as I got a Mint Gigabyte M28U for £250, but I was very happy with the Dell S2721DGF (27" 1440p 165Hz) and didn't need to upgrade to be honest.
I upgraded from a 60Hz 1080p monitor to a 144Hz 1080p monitor but locked my framerate to 90 FPS because I didn't see much of a difference between 90 and 144 FPS like I did with 60 and 90 FPS. Locking it at 90 has helped keep the framerate much more consistent while keeping temperatures and power draw down.
This is exactly what I did, my monitor can go up to 165Hz but honestly anything over 100Hz doesn't make a difference to my eyes. Also, there's a bug in radeon cards that shoot up the VRAM clock on refresh rates greater than 60Hz, so I had to make a custom 90Hz profile to avoid this issue.
@@DGCastelli have an all AMD PC with LG UltraGear IPS 27 144Hz freesync premium monitor, never had any issues with vRAM clock speed and i have that fully oc'ed, never played with locked framerates even tho lot of games do lock at 144fps because my rx6750xt it's still op for 1080p 🤔
If you want to save money you should always cap frames to your monitors refresh rate (or maybe slightly above or below) to consume less power. It will obviously also keep your GPU cooler and quieter.
For £99.99 for a 165Hz / 24" / 1080p IPS monitor, delivered. That's a decent deal for a capable gaming monitor to go with a budget build. Thanks for the info.
same man i've never experienced anything above 60hz hopefully i can find a good 144 or higher for a good price soon, but that's ain't priority atm the PC is ^^ happy for you tho enjoy it u're a good man well deserved ❤❤
One detail often overlooked is the power draw, I note that having recently changed displays and halved my power usage. So that's a big factor as if you have say an older display, check the power draw for if it is say 60w draw, note the modern ones less like this that draws 30w. Which from my usage was a £5 a month saving in my usage, so things like that can make an upgrade, more economical than you realise.
For people on the fence as to whether or not high refresh is worth it even with a lower end PC, I'd say it ABSOLUTELY is regardless. ESPECIALLY if you're remotely into retro gaming. Playing PC classics from 10-20 years ago at 165 or 240 HZ feels incredible and breathes new life into games that used to cripple our machines! I remember playing games like DOOM 3, Half Life 2 & Far Cry 1 as a kid at sub 20 FPS and being mind blown by the visuals. Going back to games like that with modern hardware and brute forcing high resolutions & refresh rates feels awesome, and genuinely feels like a new experience. Those are just a few examples but there are hundreds of older amazing PC games that will run beautifully on even remotely modern hardware. There are some instances where you may have to download a few mods to support widescreen resolutions or update some muddy textures, but for the most part it's very easy to do and breathes new life into games. High FPS (120 FPS & Above) makes an absolute world of difference and has to be experienced to be understood. With that said, I still thoroughly enjoy a steady 60 FPS, but whenever possible, go for that high FPS!
Also, thank you for making a monitor/display video from an everyman perspective lol. 99% of these videos obsess over colour accuracy and other specific enthusiast stuff assuming every user is a professional video editor at a major corporation.
Just got myself a 165hz AOC ips monitor last week, upgraded from my old 60hz Samsung va monitor. And I agree my first experience is the same as yours and I thought to myself why didn't I do it sooner. Good video as always!
Went from 60hz to 144hz back in 2022 and it was a mistake not doing it sooner. For me the main bennifit is fresync/gsync support. So even those game that run at 30fps have as little input lag as possible, 1 frame be that 25ms at 40fps, 33.3 at 30fps, but never 2 frames input lag due to double buffer vsync just skipping a frame and eating your input. I believe this feature only started support with the 10 series nvidia GPUs and you test cards older then that often. So your millage may vary. Cheers!
i've bought 144hz monitor about a year ago, and i was amazed as much as you. Previously i used 60hz for 7 years and never thought about upgrade... 144hz monitor, imho, is even usable in ~90 fps scenario (like in aaa games). The impression of using a monitor HRR monitor is only positive. Now i can feel that input lag on my old 60hz monitor and there is no way back :)
Whenever I see your videos - it always feels so close to my heart. Probably because we have such a similar configuration and have similar questions. Thank you for the insights.
yeah when I went from a 60 hz to a 180hz panel it felt like every game was instantly more fun and enjoyable its just such a refresher and damn near essential if you want to enjoy games at all < (if you've been gaming for a while and are finding it stale, atleast in my experience this is what happened to me. Gaming was getting stale and then all of the sudden high refresh rate monitors kinda brought the life back to the game)
Been using my 32" 1440p 144Hz Asus panel since 2019 when I upgraded from a 1080p 60Hz. It's an amazing sweetspot and more than enough for me even when paired with a higher end graphics card.
Oh yeah, jumping from 60Hz to 144Hz is a gamechanger for sure. About 3 and a half years ago, I saved some money, and wondered what to upgrade. And there was a great deal, so I got AOC 24" 1080p 144Hz IPS, and oh my. Even with the i7 3770k and GTX 1060 6GB, it was a gamechanger. For more AAA games it wasn't even the speed as much (hitting 70 or 80 FPS in some), but the Freesync, that was like a whole new world. With these full hd monitors being quite cheap now, I would advise anybody to choose it as an upgrade for sure, even on older specs, because the difference in responsiveness and overall feeling is so huge. Nice video, thank you ;)
Definitely a must buy even if you're not hitting even close to that refresh rate because Freesync will make low framerates feel super smooth. My friend played Warzone at 50-70fps with Freesync and it looked just as smooth as my 144Hz at 150+fps.
Picked up a 2020 model HP Omen 144jz 1080 monitor for 100 usd in the states. Actually liked it so much I’m sold on the HP panels. For the price and what you get they’re top notch.
As a long term "high refresh gamer" who only used 144hz+ displays for years, and a 240hz G9 since 2020 I found that Im happy with 120-144hz. Anything above I usualy dont notice. Also in most titles Im fine as long as I get 90 fps consistantly. While I do have a 13900K and 4090 (mostly for upscaling and video editing) I often limit my games to about 90-120 fps. Lower power consumption, less heat and I barely notice.
Truly, a good display is always worth it. I bought this decently color accurate display, that is 144Hz, like, six years ago, and it still works amazing to this day. (I am an artist, so I need color accuraccy. The dream monitor is the Asus pro art displays. But just one of them costs more than my current setup, haha.)
I upgraded to an MSI ultra wide 1080p at 200hz. Changed my entire gaming view. When I cap it at 100 it's smooth as silk in games that can't hit the 200fps. It's incredible the change felt just by a monitor change! Keep up the good work
Good video, my only criticism would be that screen caps don't demonstrate the monitor at all, they only show what's getting pumped into the monitor. I had the same reaction my first time using a high refresh rate monitor, especially when I upgraded from a 9700k/1080 to a 13700k/4090.
I just got a budget 27" 1440P 165HZ. Had a 24" 1080P 144hz, before. I get less frames (80/120) but the smoothness makes up for it. 1080P/60 Recording and streaming look very smooth. I'm running 13-600KF paired with a 3060ti. This is not my gaming acct. Not here to advertize. But you said it well. Even if you don't hit 165, every frame loads and is very smooth.
i LITERALLY just bought a budget 165Hz monitor TODAY like 5 hours ago. AINT NO WAY that you put out a video like that. I got an LG Ultra Gear one tho for like 169€
2 years ago i switched from 1080p 60 to a 1440p 144hz...mindblown by it still. some on on youtube said once that u spend 100% of the time watching on ur monitor not the gpu cpu motherboard or case so he was right.
I upgraded to a LG32GP750 ... 32" @ 165Hz .... not sure if it's considered mid range. But it wasn't super expensive($300 USD). Best monitor I've ever owned
Welcome to 2016 :) When I experienced high-refresh Freesync for the first time I couldn't stop talking about it. It was hard to explain how tangible the benefit of high-refresh is, but tear-free 120fps+ was a turning point for me. I've since tried out 240Hz, 120Hz OLED, and 144Hz with strobing backlight. They're all impressive but realistically I struggle to tell the difference between 120fps and much higher. Some genres like ARPG or RTS feel smoother panning around at higher framerates, but realistically the clarity from that comes not from high refresh rates but from short frame windows - so strobing backlights do a better job than higher refresh rates. I'm sure everyone perceives things differently and has different preferences but personally I want at least 100fps and if I have graphics card performance to spare I'd rather turn up graphical quality settings than achieve a higher framerate. For what it's worth, I split my PC gaming 50:50 between a 1440p240Hz screen and a 4K60Hz TV and most of the time I still find 4K60 just fine in terms of motion clarity. >60Hz is nice to have, but it's not mandatory. Given how cheap the current crop of budget 144Hz monitors is, I don't think anyone should consider 60Hz or 75Hz monitors any more. Ebuyer and Amazon both have LG 24GQ50F-B monitors for just over £100 and given that you probably need a £300 graphics card to reach 144fps in most games these days, that's a no-brainer. Anyway, I love your channel and recycle or ebay 5-10 year old hardware all the time, so if you want me to send you CAD workstation leftovers for free, hit me up... :)
The key is not the HRR, but the FreeSync / Gsync. I went to a 165Hz DELL monitor from a 60Hz, and what is the most important is that like 45 FPS on a FS / GS monitor is much, much smotther than on a simple 60Hz monitor. And yeah, whaen you can hit 165/144 FPS, it is a totally different world. So buying a FS/GS monitor for lower end hardware is worth it, because instead Vsync, you use FS/GS, wich makes low FPS number much, much smoother and responsive.
Not pro, but honest approach to high refresh monitors. Just impressions from gaming. Also £109 is not that expensive, comparing to others. Great video.
Over the course of Summer I upgraded my PC from an R3-2200G and RX-460 2gb (wish I opted a bit more for the 4gb) to an R5-5600X3D and RX-6800XT. Along upgrades to my PC, I also got an Acer XV272U 1440p 170hz Monitor. It came out of the box calibrated and it looked awesome. I had a similar experience with usage, being astonished at the high refresh rate and vibrant colors. Even on older and existing titles that I could already Max out the games looked much better. When comparing it to my AMOLED iPhone display, it looked about as vibrant in certain regards like the reds although I could tell in some areas where it still isn’t a true HDR monitor. Overall a worthwhile upgrade.
I went thru the same almost a year ago. Now using a 75hz monitor seems almost impossible, the difference is big in term of smoothness. Bought a Dell 165hz monitor almost a year ago and I'm very happy with it. In terms or price for me it was around 120 euros so a good price in my opinion
I like your method of reviewing. You see and use something you like and recommend it or recommend alternative options that are rather similar. Keep it up man
Going from a 60/75 Hz monitor to a 144/165 Hz monitor is a one way trip. You will never want to go back. You experienced it and you can confirm what I am saying. I'm glad you did! Just enjoy it!
I use 144hz and 1440p display. And i think i cant go back to 60hz 1080p. The sharpeness and the fluidity... Saludos desde México, me encantan tus videos.
Back in the late 90's to the mid 2000's I gamed on a 19 inch CRT at a 75-100Hz refresh rate (depending on resolution) and using a 60Hz LCD always just felt off for gaming. A couple of years ago I upgraded to a decent 1080p 75Hz refresh rate LCD and it made quite a difference! The monitor upgrade was a big reason why I upgraded my 1060 to a RX 6600 XT since the 1060 couldn't maintain 75 FPS all the time in the game I play most. The next upgrade, whenever one of the 3 monitors on my PC dies, will be a 144Hz panel probably a 1440p model. If I were in the UK the XC27WQ model looks pretty nice.
I got a Odyssey G50A 27 inch 1440p 165hz in the beginning of this year for $250 brand new(normally $400). It's been a great monitor so far, great colors. It's IPS so the HDR is a bit greyed and washed out, but I just don't use it. It works anyway in games natively that support it so. I can definitely see the difference even at 80-120fps. Might have to wait for the right price to come along because they went back up for some reason, but it's a really good monitor if you can get it under $300. Not sure why it was so cheap when I got it, maybe some rebates or something, but I got it from Best Buy in-store. A good tip too, go by your local big box store and see if they have any open-box items, I've gotten other monitors a bit cheaper this way, and they were brand new still, odds are, someone probably impulse bought it, or didn't like it.
No matter the gpu you should always run a 144hz+ monitor with Gsync/Freesync enabled. 1.) enable Gsync / Freesync in the monitor itself 2.) go into graphics software and make sure Gsync (Nvidia)is on or Freesync (AMD) is on 3.) find the refresh range and for best smooth picture quality keep the game within that range. For example my monitor will stay synced between 60hz-240hz. So as long as my fps doesn’t drop below 60fps or go above 240fps the monitor is IN SYNC and not tearing. I cap my frames in the AMD driver to 238fps as it can peak above 240fps at times getting out of sync. Adjust in game settings so you never go below 60 and cap frames so it doesn’t go over. My 6900xt actually pairs up well with my 5120x1440 @240hz monitor and my games hang between 100fps-240fps depending on the game. It stays butter smooth thanks to the Freesync technology.
I went from a 60Hz 1080p panel to a 170Hz 1440p Freesync panel and it was a fantastic upgrade. The higher refresh rate makes general desktop usage feel smoother and games also feel smoother at due to the Freesync and variable refresh rate. You can also use it at diffenent refresh rates (hence the variable nature) depending on what game you're playing. I actually find 120Hz fantastically smooth and it pairs well with the FPS my RX6700 can achieve in a lot of games I play. If I want to play CS-GO, then I can crank up to 170Hz for maximum responsiveness, but I don't usually play that. Recently I've been playing Ratchet and Clank, and that's very demanding at 1440p High, So I've set that game to half refresh 60Hz and the game is pretty well locked to 60FPS and nice and smoooth. I also save a bit of power doing that as the GPU is not maxed the whole time for an extra 5-10FPS.
Steve's "man of the people" type reviews are much more valuable to me than a techy review that goes on about colour saturation and all that shit. Great content, thanks dude. I recently upgraded to 144hz and everything is so much smoother compared to my old 60hz monitor.
im so glad you did this video, and i really respect your character in admitting your limits on technical understanding. Youre so right by saying how high refresh is so enlightening that it almost ruins anything lower haha. Even if you dont stay to the 165hz, its important that you have the experience to widen your wisdom and this will directly positively impact your future guidance and only make you a better content creator. I know you said this many times and I know its a bit of a truism, but remember this is still a very cheap monitor, and as much as it has the 165hz panel, it does not represent the extent to which responce time, resolution and colour mapping truly transforms the immersive experience of using a more expensive product. I personally did not know that monitors with genuine function like this existed at such amazing pricing, so thank you for expanding my understanding in this!! I wish you only the best
A few years ago I used to have a 144hz 1440p monitor, it started developing issue so I decided to buy another monitor that was 165hz and still 1440p. I do editing on that resolution and even when I only have an RTX 3060ti I still think it's ok, IDM lowering settings or using DLSS or some games to reach close to that framerate, as long as it's smooth.
It's always worth it to have a high refresh rate monitor (i.e 120Hz and above) even you don't get fps that high. It's just more responsive in every task, not just in gaming
I have a 165hz monitor. For the money it was a choice between a 4K monitor, or a high refresh rate monitor, and I opted for refresh rate. I like it, although sometimes I do wish I'd spent the money on 4K!
Even though my system is getting on a bit now ( 1660ti , Ryzen 5600 ) I went for a 4k monitor . I like being able to upscale to 4k using nvidea control panel while still pushing over 60fps on the sim racing games I play .
I am looking forward on buying LG ultragear 24GN65R (2023) as it's right near my budget but I am quite confused coz I literally never bought a new monitor as my current one is like 10 years old
i was trying these kind of off brand monitor while visiting a computer shop and was also surprised by their price and performance now planning to either buy one of the off brand available or get a similar lg or viewsonic brand with 20% premium price
Good video mate I have just bought an X= XC27WQ 27 VA 1440p 165Hz and it's been really good for me, i upgraded from a 1080p 144hz and, now i just use it for my secondary screen. I have an RTX 4070 and i upgraded from the Rtx 2070 paired with an i7 12700k. It's not the best monitor but it is a good little monitor and i love it. Good video mate
I recently got a 24in 100hz 2560*1440 display for about $200, my laptop could've also done 4K@60 but I decided to go with the higher refresh rate 'lower' resolution, and it's been so, so nice. I've seen higher refresh rate displays (144Hz I think) and 100 feels just as nice.
Yes it's worth getting even if your PC can't hit 165Hz right now - I bought an ACER X34A UltraWide (3440x1440 @ 100Hz) year's ago when I had a GTX 1070 & I had to turn settings down in most games to get to 100 fps, I upgraded to a 1080TI a bit later and the settings went up 😁 & now I run a 3080TI/5900X with the same monitor (I'm still happy with it & don't play competitive shooters). So go all out on the monitor as it will be the least changed component in your setup & last you for years 👍👍
I recently traded something for a 27in 72hz curved monitor with amd freesync premium. Obviously not as bigger a jump as 165 from 60 but the freesync and 12hz extra from my previous screen has really made a difference. One day I'll hit the 100hz+ mark! The prices on these monitors are pretty reasonable so hopefully sooner rather than later
went from playing on a 60hz monitors for 15+ years to a 180hz with high end gpu this year and it's honestly such a great experience absolutely worth it for me personally as I am mostly playing FPS games, but imho not worth it for more casual gamers
your screen is what you directly interface with. i'd say don't cheap out (too much) on it. you'd be impressed how a good screen makes game look so much better that even on low settings they might look better on the good screen than at max settings with a cheap screen
i think freesync / g sync is what makes the difference . as long as you can get 100fps the games will feel so much better . anythink over 100fps isnt really noticable . its just a higher number at that point
I immediately went and bought a 144hz monitor after seeing my friend using one, it is so much better than 60hz, animations looks so much better in games.
My primary gaming monitor is a CRT, and I can hit the high refresh at low resolutions - but I usually settle for 1600x1200 at 75hz. My main system has an Asus 165hz monitor... Its nice with the modern graphics card (RX6600) but - for some reason - that analog signal really pulls me in, even on a 19" screen. Gaming is a vibe, I suppose.
Proably the most accurate and honest review of a monitor I have watched in fricking years. Sadly, from now on your always be referencing this monitor and not teh 75. I still cant believe you only had a 75Hz.
I got a gaming laptop that has a 165Hz 1440p 17" screen. It is nice (the RTX 3060m can usually hit 120-160 Hz.) I then got a 32" 4k-144Hz monitor for my main PC. It's nice. It doesnt blow me away vs 60Hz. I notice it. It is nice to have. That's about it though.
I'm glad your enjoying the upgrade. I upgraded from an old 19 inch office pc monitor to a 27 inch 1444p, 144hz monitor. And I have to say, I don't think my knackered old eyes/brain could really tell the difference. I can feel the difference when scrolling, but for me personally the size and resolution bump was much more noticeable. So personally I would suggest a resolution upgrade over a hz upgrade, unless you are a hardcore/competitive fps player of course.
@@dudebroguymate Sure, but 1440p is a good middle ground, it depends what you use it for. I use my monitor for work too and my work involves reading alot of text, so at 1440p on a 27 inch screen, i find it much easier to read. I also watch a lot of RUclips and a lot the games i play are single player, apart from a couple of racing games. There are also plenty of 1440p cards floating around second hand at the moment, anything from a 2060/2070 super up to a 3060ti, 3080 or 6600xt rx 6700xt can be had for reasonable prices. These cards are all capable of 1440p 60hz at various graphics settings. The only reason i would stay at 1080p is either hardcroe fps player or budget, because you can get some crazy deals on 1080p monitors. Just my opinion though, I know everyone has their won preferences.
@@desktopstu4145 Buyers remorse. There's so many options out there, no way to make the right one, as long as it does most of what you need it to do then your probably all good. Give it a few years and you will likely be able to upgrade again for even cheaper.
@@dudebroguymate it does, to a point. I recently downgraded my gaming gear, sold my two main gaming pcs (both AMD Ryzen 7s with RTX 3070 and RX 6700) I now use a mix of 2nd and 4th gen i7s and an old FX6300 with graphics cards ranging from GTX 980 Ti, 980 (non Ti) and a 970. The FX 6300 has the 980Ti and that plays World of Tanks at high settings at 4K quite hapily.
Bought a 165Hz capable 1440p monitor when I had a gtx970. Too weak? I don't care. What wasn't great is that I can't use the G-sync Certified feature of the monitor because 900 series doesn't support it. Need 10 series or newer. But on the other hand, low frame rate gaming on a high refresh rate monitor, like 40-50fps, it's ok! Much better than on 60Hz monitor because the jitter and presentation latency are much reduced. VRR would have been better, but not an option with the old GPU. On desktop I only use 120Hz, which is much improved for productivity use over 60, and I found that 165 actually looks filthy with inversion faults and shadows. 144Hz looks good though, but not quite as good as the 120Hz mode.
Dope right? When I got my first high refresh back in 2015 I was blown away. Gives you a distinct advantage in FPS and Battle Royale games. I had a 1440p 120 Hz LG monitor. It had a ton of refresh rates. LG usually does even with their TVs. I can go from 24 up to 120 Hz in increments. So I can lock it wherever the frame rate caps and avoid tearing. Which is a huge bonus. This will also bring up lows and keep your latency stable so you get used to it. Makes playing Fortnite a billion times better for instance.
I went from a gtx 1060 6gb and 1080p 75hz monitor to a 3060Ti and1440p 144hz monitor and it's changed my entire gaming experience! I never put much stock into monitors either, but my God! Great video man!
Adaptive sync is more important than raw hz/fps imo because of how smooth it is, plus it's a case of diminishing returns after a certain point anyway. I'd rather play at 90ish fps synced, than 165hz unsynced.
Now you will understand better the value of frame generation as you have a monitor that benefits from it. Turn FG on a game like Cyberpunk and push all the settings up with ray tracing over drive on. For single player experiences it’s super impressive what you can pull out of a 4000 series card.
For midrange gaming its good to look at a high refresh monitor as a long-term investment you may not be able to run everything at high refresh today with your current system. However in five years you will likely have a much faster system and you can still be using the same display maxing out more games. Back in 2016 I purchased the original 165hz PG279Q and seven years and three PCs later the display is still great and I see no reason to upgrade. monitors are one of the few areas where futureproofing is somewhat possible.
165Hz monitors rock, I'm lucky enough to game on a 165Hz QD OLED, (1440p) I couldn't go back to a 60Hz monitor, no way. If your GPU is putting out the fps then it's definitely worth upgrading to a high refresh rate monitor, definitely helps with immersion. In fact I'd chose higher refresh rate over higher resolution, especially if you're used to a particular resolution.
Recently upgraded from an old Acer 1080p 60Hz, overclocked to 75Hz from 2011 to a newer Acer 1080p 240Hz. The colors don't look as good on the new one but my god the smoothness is something i've never experienced before.
I recently (as in a few months ago) upgraded from a 60hz to 144hz 1080p monitor, and I gotta say, the upgrade was well worth it.
Next go high refresh 1440p or 4k, that’s even more noticeable.
Did you go from gaming with vsync to variable refresh rate at the same time? That's an even bigger upgrade in terms of the quality of the experience IMO.
Depends. Vsync gets better at higher refresh rates. I simrace competitively and at 4K120fps Vsync has no more noticeable lag than vsync off, but it's much smoother.
@@thetruth5232free sync
Why bother using Vsync if the TV or monitor supports VRR/adaptive sync tech? I used to always lean for vsync before variable refresh rate monitors were a thing. Now Vsync stays disabled 100% of the time.
Just enable Freesync/Gsync or whatever VRR tech is on your display , enable it in gpu software and cap your frames to not exceed the range your display can handle.
Despite not being a pro, I actually really appreciate this. It's nice to have an average option rather than specs and colour accuracy that just confuse me half the time. Does it look good? Is it responsive? Is it cheap enough? Good, done deal!
Thanks :) I always try and keep things simple and leave the detailed stuff to the experts!
@@RandomGaminginHD I once saw a vid - high refresh rate monitors will have benefits in all games however the biggest benefit is 1st person shooters. 240ghz wont feel as big of a jump like going from 60-144 or 165. - Linus said this.
yeah when I bought my third monitor it was the first time i purchased one being the Acer Nitro VG271U Mbmiipx at the time it was on sale for $200 which was my price range and I was originally just going to get a 1080p high refreshrate monitor. sure my GPU isn't good enough to run games at 1440p but it not being too big at 27 inches 1080p doesn't look bad and when I upgrade my GPU I will be able too use 1440p
I agree. I'm still using an old Dell 22" monitor (60hz). It was one of those monitors that was included with a "Complete PC in a Box" deals you could buy at Fred Meyers or Walmart. It's actually nice. It has way more ways to connect video inputs to it and it has multiple USB (2.0 only) ports all over it.
haha i like that lol
I am a spec sheet warrior true to heart and will spend days just looking at numbers and graphs... its refreshing to hear about the other side of buying things :)
going from 60hz to 144hz was the best gaming purchase i ever made, chooters became so much easier and everything felt better
@@jamesabestos2800 high refresh rate monitors display fast-moving things better.
@@jamesabestos2800 Homie the human eye sees everything through motion in light and is incredibly sensitive to said changes in light. These high refresh rates are literally displaying information at more the twice the rate of 60hz. It is objective fact that the human eye can perceive smoothness well beyond 60 fps. VR is ideally displayed at 90 + fps because 60 fps is jarring and can cause motion sickness.
@@jamesabestos2800 The difference I believe comes in how much information is being received. "Human eye cannot see above 60 FPS" is a myth people shared around 10+ years ago.
Just the increase in frames being displayed means textures look better in motion, meshes look sharper in motion, everything looks better in motion. Everything is sharper. Everything is crispier. Every action feels smoother and more intuitive.
@@jamesabestos2800it's clearly smoother in everything you do with your PC. Just try for yourself and u'll understand
@@jamesabestos2800 i thought the same till i tried it, honestly its so much smoother! Best purchase you will likely make in terms of pc :)
mate, you really are the people's person
absolutely love the fact that the majority of your content is basically revolving around the most realistic and the average user's experience and daily driver
keep up the good content, hope your channel grows bigger
I always wondered why you never had a monitor like this. Getting my 144 hz monitor felt like night and day and I’m glad you always got to experience that!
Let's not forget the variable refresh rate
Considering your usual ~30 FPS budget gaming content, when I saw the title for this video I did wonder if you'd actually be able to perceive 165 Hz or not! 😆I switched to 120 Hz gaming last year after years of 60 Hz and I can't go back. The smoothness is so enjoyable, even on the desktop as you said.
Yeah haha I can still deal with 30fps for sure, years of 750ti gaming, but the extra hz is a nice treat!
My High refresh addiction started with my first 120hz phone. Just scrolling anything is so much nicer than 60.
@@RandomGaminginHD I kinda disagree with you saying in the video that it's not worth it with humble specs. AAA titles won't run on 165 fps sure, but all your previous games look amazing with it, especially if this allows you to utilize your hardware better. Even games like Dead Cells look amazing and even more fluid with all the motion with 144Hz and that can run on a 13 year old laptop. Everything aside from newer AAA titles benefit from this, so for anyone who wants to play something else than Jedi Survivor (but that runs of 45fps even with a 4080), it's good and makes you appreciate your system even more. Real question is should you go for 1440p 75Hz or 1080p 144Hz?
Hz > Resolution for certain as far as importance goes. Get a nice 1080p 144hz or 165hz over a 1440p 75hz. Warning though, you won't be able to buy another
I did this a few months ago, went from cheap 75hz to mid-range 165hz, both IPS. The difference was huge. I made definite improvements in csgo.
Literally went through an identical experience yesterday. My 1440p 144hz monitor arrived yesterday. I've only ever played on 75hz or less, so I was staggered at the difference. Definitely made a huge difference in racing games, which is my go to genre
Same for shooters and the like. 👍🏻
during 'the troubles' (gpu/mining boom/covid) I bought a high refresh rate monitor in lieu of a more expensive upgrade, and it felt like just as profound an upgrade as CPU or GPU.
I went from 60hz to 120hz… i could never go back. My eyes bleed when i use other people’s computers because they’re at 60hz.
I Watch barbie and the frame rate was so low it hurt my eyes 😭, I have a 240hz monitor
@@FingerTightRacing8are movies still 24fps? I haven’t watched movies in a long time.
@@Khloya69 yeah still😞
It's more of a traditional/artistic choice. Your eyes adjust. I liked in into the spiderverse how they used frame rate to indicate different levels of confidence.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 tradition and artistic choice be damned, a choppy mess is not enjoyable, it’s been a norm since the 1920s and we have much better technology now, it take me out of a movie if it’s very choppy, like in puss in boots,
There are two things a lot of gamers have talked about and how it made a good difference and these are really the only things I care about other than the monitor being a good quality.
One, being at least 120Hz. The one I got is 144Hz which seems pretty standard
Two, moving to 2K. Well, this certainly adds cost, so this is something a person needs to have a little extra money kicking around to do.
The things I don't think are necessary for a PC on a typical desktop monitor, moving to 4K, or going above that 120 - 144Hz monitor. You need a really good reason to move into this category otherwise you're wasting money.
You could say 2K is wasting a bit of money, but that's a matter of preference for desktop gaming. I honestly didn't do a lot of 1080p gaming so I can't really compare but I certainly enjoy my 32" 16:9 144Hz 2K monitor, and it's mounted on the wall so it leaves the desk clean and it's spaced about the right distance away from where I sit for it to give a good view for gaming.
I know plenty of people like those stretched out monitors. Not really into it.
I've just moved from 1440p / 165Hz to 4K / 144Hz. Honestly, in general use the difference between 1440 and 4K when gaming is barely noticable and not really worth the performance hit. 1080 to 1440 is a massive upgrade, but the jump to 4K doesn't have the same impact, Still happy with my purchase as I got a Mint Gigabyte M28U for £250, but I was very happy with the Dell S2721DGF (27" 1440p 165Hz) and didn't need to upgrade to be honest.
I upgraded from a 60Hz 1080p monitor to a 144Hz 1080p monitor but locked my framerate to 90 FPS because I didn't see much of a difference between 90 and 144 FPS like I did with 60 and 90 FPS. Locking it at 90 has helped keep the framerate much more consistent while keeping temperatures and power draw down.
This is exactly what I did, my monitor can go up to 165Hz but honestly anything over 100Hz doesn't make a difference to my eyes. Also, there's a bug in radeon cards that shoot up the VRAM clock on refresh rates greater than 60Hz, so I had to make a custom 90Hz profile to avoid this issue.
@@DGCastelli have an all AMD PC with LG UltraGear IPS 27 144Hz freesync premium monitor, never had any issues with vRAM clock speed and i have that fully oc'ed, never played with locked framerates even tho lot of games do lock at 144fps because my rx6750xt it's still op for 1080p 🤔
@@DGCastell Idk about the VRAM clock issue. But I just use Radeon Chill and set the min and max FPS to 90.
@@Kizarat it's an independent issue regardless of fps, it just affects idle states such as being on the desktop or browsing light stuff.
@@DGCastell Oh I see
If you want to save money you should always cap frames to your monitors refresh rate (or maybe slightly above or below) to consume less power. It will obviously also keep your GPU cooler and quieter.
For £99.99 for a 165Hz / 24" / 1080p IPS monitor, delivered. That's a decent deal for a capable gaming monitor to go with a budget build. Thanks for the info.
same man i've never experienced anything above 60hz hopefully i can find a good 144 or higher for a good price soon, but that's ain't priority atm the PC is ^^
happy for you tho enjoy it u're a good man well deserved ❤❤
One detail often overlooked is the power draw, I note that having recently changed displays and halved my power usage. So that's a big factor as if you have say an older display, check the power draw for if it is say 60w draw, note the modern ones less like this that draws 30w. Which from my usage was a £5 a month saving in my usage, so things like that can make an upgrade, more economical than you realise.
European moment.
Yeah my 1440p 165hz is drawing about 32w of power from the wall.
@@Khloya69 ?
@@girlmaya6818 only Europeans think about power bills when buying tech, because their governments decisions made electricity bills skyrocket.
@@Khloya69 Brexit moment
For people on the fence as to whether or not high refresh is worth it even with a lower end PC, I'd say it ABSOLUTELY is regardless. ESPECIALLY if you're remotely into retro gaming. Playing PC classics from 10-20 years ago at 165 or 240 HZ feels incredible and breathes new life into games that used to cripple our machines! I remember playing games like DOOM 3, Half Life 2 & Far Cry 1 as a kid at sub 20 FPS and being mind blown by the visuals. Going back to games like that with modern hardware and brute forcing high resolutions & refresh rates feels awesome, and genuinely feels like a new experience. Those are just a few examples but there are hundreds of older amazing PC games that will run beautifully on even remotely modern hardware. There are some instances where you may have to download a few mods to support widescreen resolutions or update some muddy textures, but for the most part it's very easy to do and breathes new life into games. High FPS (120 FPS & Above) makes an absolute world of difference and has to be experienced to be understood. With that said, I still thoroughly enjoy a steady 60 FPS, but whenever possible, go for that high FPS!
Also, thank you for making a monitor/display video from an everyman perspective lol. 99% of these videos obsess over colour accuracy and other specific enthusiast stuff assuming every user is a professional video editor at a major corporation.
Just got myself a 165hz AOC ips monitor last week, upgraded from my old 60hz Samsung va monitor. And I agree my first experience is the same as yours and I thought to myself why didn't I do it sooner. Good video as always!
Went from 60hz to 144hz back in 2022 and it was a mistake not doing it sooner. For me the main bennifit is fresync/gsync support. So even those game that run at 30fps have as little input lag as possible, 1 frame be that 25ms at 40fps, 33.3 at 30fps, but never 2 frames input lag due to double buffer vsync just skipping a frame and eating your input. I believe this feature only started support with the 10 series nvidia GPUs and you test cards older then that often. So your millage may vary. Cheers!
i've bought 144hz monitor about a year ago, and i was amazed as much as you. Previously i used 60hz for 7 years and never thought about upgrade... 144hz monitor, imho, is even usable in ~90 fps scenario (like in aaa games). The impression of using a monitor HRR monitor is only positive. Now i can feel that input lag on my old 60hz monitor and there is no way back :)
this is a rebranded HKC-MG24V9F made by HKC, panels can be a bit of a lottery quality wise , but the price is excellent
Whenever I see your videos - it always feels so close to my heart. Probably because we have such a similar configuration and have similar questions. Thank you for the insights.
yeah when I went from a 60 hz to a 180hz panel it felt like every game was instantly more fun and enjoyable its just such a refresher and damn near essential if you want to enjoy games at all < (if you've been gaming for a while and are finding it stale, atleast in my experience this is what happened to me. Gaming was getting stale and then all of the sudden high refresh rate monitors kinda brought the life back to the game)
haha, such a _refresher_
Does the game run at that high of fps though?
@@NicCrimson yes 🤣
@@hyrochen1502 so it's not worth it for low end / budget hardware?
@@NicCrimson i mean it really just does depend on what you play and how low end we're talking
Been using my 32" 1440p 144Hz Asus panel since 2019 when I upgraded from a 1080p 60Hz.
It's an amazing sweetspot and more than enough for me even when paired with a higher end graphics card.
Oh yeah, jumping from 60Hz to 144Hz is a gamechanger for sure. About 3 and a half years ago, I saved some money, and wondered what to upgrade. And there was a great deal, so I got AOC 24" 1080p 144Hz IPS, and oh my. Even with the i7 3770k and GTX 1060 6GB, it was a gamechanger. For more AAA games it wasn't even the speed as much (hitting 70 or 80 FPS in some), but the Freesync, that was like a whole new world. With these full hd monitors being quite cheap now, I would advise anybody to choose it as an upgrade for sure, even on older specs, because the difference in responsiveness and overall feeling is so huge.
Nice video, thank you ;)
Definitely a must buy even if you're not hitting even close to that refresh rate because Freesync will make low framerates feel super smooth.
My friend played Warzone at 50-70fps with Freesync and it looked just as smooth as my 144Hz at 150+fps.
Just got a Sceptre 165hz a few months ago for about $150 American and LOVE IT!
Picked up a 2020 model HP Omen 144jz 1080 monitor for 100 usd in the states. Actually liked it so much I’m sold on the HP panels. For the price and what you get they’re top notch.
As a long term "high refresh gamer" who only used 144hz+ displays for years, and a 240hz G9 since 2020 I found that Im happy with 120-144hz. Anything above I usualy dont notice.
Also in most titles Im fine as long as I get 90 fps consistantly.
While I do have a 13900K and 4090 (mostly for upscaling and video editing) I often limit my games to about 90-120 fps. Lower power consumption, less heat and I barely notice.
Truly, a good display is always worth it. I bought this decently color accurate display, that is 144Hz, like, six years ago, and it still works amazing to this day. (I am an artist, so I need color accuraccy. The dream monitor is the Asus pro art displays. But just one of them costs more than my current setup, haha.)
Had a Packard Bell 60Hz 768p monitor for quite a while before upgrading to a Lenovo 144Hz 1080p display. Definitely worth it.
I upgraded to an MSI ultra wide 1080p at 200hz. Changed my entire gaming view. When I cap it at 100 it's smooth as silk in games that can't hit the 200fps. It's incredible the change felt just by a monitor change! Keep up the good work
Shout out for AWD-IT one of the best for customer service and I’ve tested their patience
Good video, my only criticism would be that screen caps don't demonstrate the monitor at all, they only show what's getting pumped into the monitor. I had the same reaction my first time using a high refresh rate monitor, especially when I upgraded from a 9700k/1080 to a 13700k/4090.
I have a curved 31" Acer 1440p monitor running at 120hz refresh. I got it from Acer as a refurbished monitor. It works great with my Linux PC.
I just got a budget 27" 1440P 165HZ. Had a 24" 1080P 144hz, before. I get less frames (80/120) but the smoothness makes up for it. 1080P/60 Recording and streaming look very smooth. I'm running 13-600KF paired with a 3060ti. This is not my gaming acct. Not here to advertize. But you said it well. Even if you don't hit 165, every frame loads and is very smooth.
i LITERALLY just bought a budget 165Hz monitor TODAY like 5 hours ago. AINT NO WAY that you put out a video like that. I got an LG Ultra Gear one tho for like 169€
2 years ago i switched from 1080p 60 to a 1440p 144hz...mindblown by it still. some on on youtube said once that u spend 100% of the time watching on ur monitor not the gpu cpu motherboard or case so he was right.
I upgraded to a LG32GP750 ... 32" @ 165Hz .... not sure if it's considered mid range. But it wasn't super expensive($300 USD). Best monitor I've ever owned
I just wanted to say am so happy you finally getting the recognition that you deserve, been a fan since forever, keep up the great work.
Welcome to 2016 :)
When I experienced high-refresh Freesync for the first time I couldn't stop talking about it. It was hard to explain how tangible the benefit of high-refresh is, but tear-free 120fps+ was a turning point for me. I've since tried out 240Hz, 120Hz OLED, and 144Hz with strobing backlight. They're all impressive but realistically I struggle to tell the difference between 120fps and much higher. Some genres like ARPG or RTS feel smoother panning around at higher framerates, but realistically the clarity from that comes not from high refresh rates but from short frame windows - so strobing backlights do a better job than higher refresh rates. I'm sure everyone perceives things differently and has different preferences but personally I want at least 100fps and if I have graphics card performance to spare I'd rather turn up graphical quality settings than achieve a higher framerate.
For what it's worth, I split my PC gaming 50:50 between a 1440p240Hz screen and a 4K60Hz TV and most of the time I still find 4K60 just fine in terms of motion clarity. >60Hz is nice to have, but it's not mandatory. Given how cheap the current crop of budget 144Hz monitors is, I don't think anyone should consider 60Hz or 75Hz monitors any more. Ebuyer and Amazon both have LG 24GQ50F-B monitors for just over £100 and given that you probably need a £300 graphics card to reach 144fps in most games these days, that's a no-brainer.
Anyway, I love your channel and recycle or ebay 5-10 year old hardware all the time, so if you want me to send you CAD workstation leftovers for free, hit me up... :)
The key is not the HRR, but the FreeSync / Gsync.
I went to a 165Hz DELL monitor from a 60Hz, and what is the most important is that like 45 FPS on a FS / GS monitor is much, much smotther than on a simple 60Hz monitor. And yeah, whaen you can hit 165/144 FPS, it is a totally different world.
So buying a FS/GS monitor for lower end hardware is worth it, because instead Vsync, you use FS/GS, wich makes low FPS number much, much smoother and responsive.
I got a samsung g9 odyssey at 240hz and it is indeed amazing, top video as always
Not pro, but honest approach to high refresh monitors. Just impressions from gaming. Also £109 is not that expensive, comparing to others. Great video.
Once I overclocked my laptop screen from 60 to 80Hz and it was just an amazing experience can’t wait to finish my pc build and try some 165Hz monitor
My 34in 1080p 144hz Viotek from 2015 has the exact same settings panel. I'm not complaining just shocked that old thing is still out there.
Massive difference people say you can't see it but it's there.. It's actually more about how it FEELS.. You'll FEEL it more than you can see
i have a budget AOC 27G1 144hz monitor, i paid less than 200 us dollars a few years back and i'm still happy with it today.
Over the course of Summer I upgraded my PC from an R3-2200G and RX-460 2gb (wish I opted a bit more for the 4gb) to an R5-5600X3D and RX-6800XT. Along upgrades to my PC, I also got an Acer XV272U 1440p 170hz Monitor. It came out of the box calibrated and it looked awesome. I had a similar experience with usage, being astonished at the high refresh rate and vibrant colors. Even on older and existing titles that I could already Max out the games looked much better. When comparing it to my AMOLED iPhone display, it looked about as vibrant in certain regards like the reds although I could tell in some areas where it still isn’t a true HDR monitor. Overall a worthwhile upgrade.
There's no going back, man.
You have been forever changed.
I went thru the same almost a year ago. Now using a 75hz monitor seems almost impossible, the difference is big in term of smoothness. Bought a Dell 165hz monitor almost a year ago and I'm very happy with it. In terms or price for me it was around 120 euros so a good price in my opinion
I like your method of reviewing. You see and use something you like and recommend it or recommend alternative options that are rather similar. Keep it up man
Going from a 60/75 Hz monitor to a 144/165 Hz monitor is a one way trip. You will never want to go back.
You experienced it and you can confirm what I am saying.
I'm glad you did! Just enjoy it!
Got 2 27inch 165hz monitors recently and gotta say the experience has been awesome.
I use 144hz and 1440p display. And i think i cant go back to 60hz 1080p. The sharpeness and the fluidity...
Saludos desde México, me encantan tus videos.
3:09 best quote.
Back in the late 90's to the mid 2000's I gamed on a 19 inch CRT at a 75-100Hz refresh rate (depending on resolution) and using a 60Hz LCD always just felt off for gaming. A couple of years ago I upgraded to a decent 1080p 75Hz refresh rate LCD and it made quite a difference! The monitor upgrade was a big reason why I upgraded my 1060 to a RX 6600 XT since the 1060 couldn't maintain 75 FPS all the time in the game I play most. The next upgrade, whenever one of the 3 monitors on my PC dies, will be a 144Hz panel probably a 1440p model. If I were in the UK the XC27WQ model looks pretty nice.
same just 2 weeks ago I upgraded from 60hz monitor that I've using for 8 years to a 165hz and the difference is HUGE
I got a Odyssey G50A 27 inch 1440p 165hz in the beginning of this year for $250 brand new(normally $400). It's been a great monitor so far, great colors. It's IPS so the HDR is a bit greyed and washed out, but I just don't use it. It works anyway in games natively that support it so. I can definitely see the difference even at 80-120fps. Might have to wait for the right price to come along because they went back up for some reason, but it's a really good monitor if you can get it under $300. Not sure why it was so cheap when I got it, maybe some rebates or something, but I got it from Best Buy in-store. A good tip too, go by your local big box store and see if they have any open-box items, I've gotten other monitors a bit cheaper this way, and they were brand new still, odds are, someone probably impulse bought it, or didn't like it.
Looks great. Crisp.
Great vid, thanks, I don't want to go bigger than 1080p, and didn't know whether to upgrade (my monitor is pushing 10)
I bought a 165Hz a little while back. Great monitor, no problems except hitting 165Fps in games plus It runs my computer hot above 120Hz
The idle power draw could be an issue for some people as well.
No matter the gpu you should always run a 144hz+ monitor with Gsync/Freesync enabled.
1.) enable Gsync / Freesync in the monitor itself
2.) go into graphics software and make sure Gsync (Nvidia)is on or Freesync (AMD) is on
3.) find the refresh range and for best smooth picture quality keep the game within that range. For example my monitor will stay synced between 60hz-240hz. So as long as my fps doesn’t drop below 60fps or go above 240fps the monitor is IN SYNC and not tearing.
I cap my frames in the AMD driver to 238fps as it can peak above 240fps at times getting out of sync.
Adjust in game settings so you never go below 60 and cap frames so it doesn’t go over.
My 6900xt actually pairs up well with my 5120x1440 @240hz monitor and my games hang between 100fps-240fps depending on the game. It stays butter smooth thanks to the Freesync technology.
I went from a 60Hz 1080p panel to a 170Hz 1440p Freesync panel and it was a fantastic upgrade. The higher refresh rate makes general desktop usage feel smoother and games also feel smoother at due to the Freesync and variable refresh rate. You can also use it at diffenent refresh rates (hence the variable nature) depending on what game you're playing. I actually find 120Hz fantastically smooth and it pairs well with the FPS my RX6700 can achieve in a lot of games I play. If I want to play CS-GO, then I can crank up to 170Hz for maximum responsiveness, but I don't usually play that. Recently I've been playing Ratchet and Clank, and that's very demanding at 1440p High, So I've set that game to half refresh 60Hz and the game is pretty well locked to 60FPS and nice and smoooth. I also save a bit of power doing that as the GPU is not maxed the whole time for an extra 5-10FPS.
Steve's "man of the people" type reviews are much more valuable to me than a techy review that goes on about colour saturation and all that shit. Great content, thanks dude. I recently upgraded to 144hz and everything is so much smoother compared to my old 60hz monitor.
im so glad you did this video, and i really respect your character in admitting your limits on technical understanding. Youre so right by saying how high refresh is so enlightening that it almost ruins anything lower haha. Even if you dont stay to the 165hz, its important that you have the experience to widen your wisdom and this will directly positively impact your future guidance and only make you a better content creator. I know you said this many times and I know its a bit of a truism, but remember this is still a very cheap monitor, and as much as it has the 165hz panel, it does not represent the extent to which responce time, resolution and colour mapping truly transforms the immersive experience of using a more expensive product. I personally did not know that monitors with genuine function like this existed at such amazing pricing, so thank you for expanding my understanding in this!! I wish you only the best
A few years ago I used to have a 144hz 1440p monitor, it started developing issue so I decided to buy another monitor that was 165hz and still 1440p. I do editing on that resolution and even when I only have an RTX 3060ti I still think it's ok, IDM lowering settings or using DLSS or some games to reach close to that framerate, as long as it's smooth.
It's always worth it to have a high refresh rate monitor (i.e 120Hz and above) even you don't get fps that high. It's just more responsive in every task, not just in gaming
after going 144 hz, 60 fps in a game feels like 30. lol
I have a 165hz monitor. For the money it was a choice between a 4K monitor, or a high refresh rate monitor, and I opted for refresh rate. I like it, although sometimes I do wish I'd spent the money on 4K!
Yeah I often wonder this. I think I’d choose refresh rate too to be honest
Even though my system is getting on a bit now ( 1660ti , Ryzen 5600 ) I went for a 4k monitor . I like being able to upscale to 4k using nvidea control panel while still pushing over 60fps on the sim racing games I play .
I am looking forward on buying LG ultragear 24GN65R (2023) as it's right near my budget but I am quite confused coz I literally never bought a new monitor as my current one is like 10 years old
i was trying these kind of off brand monitor while visiting a computer shop and was also surprised by their price and performance
now planning to either buy one of the off brand available or get a similar lg or viewsonic brand with 20% premium price
What a coincidence. I experienced 165Hz for the first time on my new laptop today too.
Great vid,Going from 75Hz to 180Hz was amazing for me and i could never go back.
Good video mate I have just bought an X= XC27WQ 27 VA 1440p 165Hz and it's been really good for me, i upgraded from a 1080p 144hz and, now i just use it for my secondary screen. I have an RTX 4070 and i upgraded from the Rtx 2070 paired with an i7 12700k. It's not the best monitor but it is a good little monitor and i love it. Good video mate
I can highly recommend the AOC Q24G2A!
Once you got high refresh you never go back. Got a 144hz for my son and had to get one for myself. Then got 120hzboled. Keep it mate!
I recently got a 24in 100hz 2560*1440 display for about $200, my laptop could've also done 4K@60 but I decided to go with the higher refresh rate 'lower' resolution, and it's been so, so nice. I've seen higher refresh rate displays (144Hz I think) and 100 feels just as nice.
More and more 90hz/100hz UWFHD and UWQHD monitors are on the market now.
@@HandleIsNewAndBad And honestly 90-110Hz is anything most people would need!
Quite the upgrade from that monitor you found on the street ;)
Yes it's worth getting even if your PC can't hit 165Hz right now - I bought an ACER X34A UltraWide (3440x1440 @ 100Hz) year's ago when I had a GTX 1070 & I had to turn settings down in most games to get to 100 fps, I upgraded to a 1080TI a bit later and the settings went up 😁 & now I run a 3080TI/5900X with the same monitor (I'm still happy with it & don't play competitive shooters). So go all out on the monitor as it will be the least changed component in your setup & last you for years 👍👍
I recently traded something for a 27in 72hz curved monitor with amd freesync premium. Obviously not as bigger a jump as 165 from 60 but the freesync and 12hz extra from my previous screen has really made a difference. One day I'll hit the 100hz+ mark! The prices on these monitors are pretty reasonable so hopefully sooner rather than later
240 hz is amazing cant wait for high refresh rate to be standard on every device
went from playing on a 60hz monitors for 15+ years to a 180hz with high end gpu this year and it's honestly such a great experience
absolutely worth it for me personally as I am mostly playing FPS games, but imho not worth it for more casual gamers
your screen is what you directly interface with. i'd say don't cheap out (too much) on it. you'd be impressed how a good screen makes game look so much better that even on low settings they might look better on the good screen than at max settings with a cheap screen
i think freesync / g sync is what makes the difference . as long as you can get 100fps the games will feel so much better . anythink over 100fps isnt really noticable . its just a higher number at that point
I immediately went and bought a 144hz monitor after seeing my friend using one, it is so much better than 60hz, animations looks so much better in games.
My primary gaming monitor is a CRT, and I can hit the high refresh at low resolutions - but I usually settle for 1600x1200 at 75hz.
My main system has an Asus 165hz monitor... Its nice with the modern graphics card (RX6600) but - for some reason - that analog signal really pulls me in, even on a 19" screen.
Gaming is a vibe, I suppose.
Proably the most accurate and honest review of a monitor I have watched in fricking years. Sadly, from now on your always be referencing this monitor and not teh 75. I still cant believe you only had a 75Hz.
I got a gaming laptop that has a 165Hz 1440p 17" screen. It is nice (the RTX 3060m can usually hit 120-160 Hz.)
I then got a 32" 4k-144Hz monitor for my main PC.
It's nice.
It doesnt blow me away vs 60Hz. I notice it. It is nice to have. That's about it though.
I'm glad your enjoying the upgrade. I upgraded from an old 19 inch office pc monitor to a 27 inch 1444p, 144hz monitor. And I have to say, I don't think my knackered old eyes/brain could really tell the difference. I can feel the difference when scrolling, but for me personally the size and resolution bump was much more noticeable. So personally I would suggest a resolution upgrade over a hz upgrade, unless you are a hardcore/competitive fps player of course.
thats the direction I went, bought a 27" 4K 75Mhz monitor rather than a higher Mhz one. I do wonder now if I made the right choice.
Higher resolutions are way harder to run so it depends on the use case.
@@dudebroguymate Sure, but 1440p is a good middle ground, it depends what you use it for. I use my monitor for work too and my work involves reading alot of text, so at 1440p on a 27 inch screen, i find it much easier to read. I also watch a lot of RUclips and a lot the games i play are single player, apart from a couple of racing games. There are also plenty of 1440p cards floating around second hand at the moment, anything from a 2060/2070 super up to a 3060ti, 3080 or 6600xt rx 6700xt can be had for reasonable prices. These cards are all capable of 1440p 60hz at various graphics settings. The only reason i would stay at 1080p is either hardcroe fps player or budget, because you can get some crazy deals on 1080p monitors. Just my opinion though, I know everyone has their won preferences.
@@desktopstu4145 Buyers remorse. There's so many options out there, no way to make the right one, as long as it does most of what you need it to do then your probably all good. Give it a few years and you will likely be able to upgrade again for even cheaper.
@@dudebroguymate it does, to a point. I recently downgraded my gaming gear, sold my two main gaming pcs (both AMD Ryzen 7s with RTX 3070 and RX 6700) I now use a mix of 2nd and 4th gen i7s and an old FX6300 with graphics cards ranging from GTX 980 Ti, 980 (non Ti) and a 970. The FX 6300 has the 980Ti and that plays World of Tanks at high settings at 4K quite hapily.
Bought a 165Hz capable 1440p monitor when I had a gtx970. Too weak? I don't care. What wasn't great is that I can't use the G-sync Certified feature of the monitor because 900 series doesn't support it. Need 10 series or newer. But on the other hand, low frame rate gaming on a high refresh rate monitor, like 40-50fps, it's ok! Much better than on 60Hz monitor because the jitter and presentation latency are much reduced. VRR would have been better, but not an option with the old GPU.
On desktop I only use 120Hz, which is much improved for productivity use over 60, and I found that 165 actually looks filthy with inversion faults and shadows. 144Hz looks good though, but not quite as good as the 120Hz mode.
Dope right? When I got my first high refresh back in 2015 I was blown away. Gives you a distinct advantage in FPS and Battle Royale games. I had a 1440p 120 Hz LG monitor. It had a ton of refresh rates. LG usually does even with their TVs. I can go from 24 up to 120 Hz in increments. So I can lock it wherever the frame rate caps and avoid tearing. Which is a huge bonus. This will also bring up lows and keep your latency stable so you get used to it. Makes playing Fortnite a billion times better for instance.
Rocking my Aw3423DWF and I couldn’t imagine using anything other then Oled for gaming now.
I went from a gtx 1060 6gb and 1080p 75hz monitor to a 3060Ti and1440p 144hz monitor and it's changed my entire gaming experience! I never put much stock into monitors either, but my God! Great video man!
Adaptive sync is more important than raw hz/fps imo because of how smooth it is, plus it's a case of diminishing returns after a certain point anyway. I'd rather play at 90ish fps synced, than 165hz unsynced.
I just went 1080p 165hz with an Arc a 750. Best mix!
Now you will understand better the value of frame generation as you have a monitor that benefits from it. Turn FG on a game like Cyberpunk and push all the settings up with ray tracing over drive on. For single player experiences it’s super impressive what you can pull out of a 4000 series card.
For midrange gaming its good to look at a high refresh monitor as a long-term investment you may not be able to run everything at high refresh today with your current system. However in five years you will likely have a much faster system and you can still be using the same display maxing out more games. Back in 2016 I purchased the original 165hz PG279Q and seven years and three PCs later the display is still great and I see no reason to upgrade. monitors are one of the few areas where futureproofing is somewhat possible.
165Hz monitors rock, I'm lucky enough to game on a 165Hz QD OLED, (1440p) I couldn't go back to a 60Hz monitor, no way. If your GPU is putting out the fps then it's definitely worth upgrading to a high refresh rate monitor, definitely helps with immersion. In fact I'd chose higher refresh rate over higher resolution, especially if you're used to a particular resolution.
I dont mind the hustle one bit. Way to go my guy!
I'm using a 165hz that I bought for 80usd brand new it made a huge difference in using my computer since I'm already used to using 120hz on my phone
Recently upgraded from an old Acer 1080p 60Hz, overclocked to 75Hz from 2011 to a newer Acer 1080p 240Hz. The colors don't look as good on the new one but my god the smoothness is something i've never experienced before.