Long Range Hunting. Whats the Best Caliber?
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- Long Range Hunting. Whats the Best Caliber? Choosing the perfect caliber of rifle may seem challenging to some. There are so many options out there and each specific caliber has its list of pros and cons. Much of this comes down to personal preference and what kind of game you are hunting. We decided to ask the guys at RedRock Precision what their personal favorite calibers are for long range hunting. Todd from Redrock talks about two of his personal favorites and gives us some insight into why he likes each caliber. There are many opinions out there, feel free to comment and add what your personal favorite is. There is really no right or wrong answer but if you were looking for more insight this may help you make the decision a little easier.
Like an old timer once said. New fancy rounds come and go. 243, 308, 270, and 30-06 has been through it all
And for hundreds of years everyone got around on the back of a horse or barefoot.
@@sheepdog1102 well for California in a few years will be back to that way as well
After using a 270 for years I jumped to 270wsm and have been very happy.
Dont forget the .300 Win Mag
I use .30-06...works fine
After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
.300 WSM, does it all for me. Sub MOA with hand loads. 125gr @ 3600fps for vermin and prairie dogs.
135gr for longer range and better wind deflection. 150gr for deer and antelope coyotes and wolves.
165-168gr for big mule deer and long range antelope. 180gr for elk, black bear, 200gr for moose and grizzley bears. moderate recoil and light rifles. favorite caliber to hunt with.
The 30-06 was designed by the military for long range engagements with the enemy and it has transitioned to the hunting world now I do watch mark and sam after work and they stretched the 30-06s legs quite a bit and I find it amazing how modern powders and projectiles have made it still one of the best rounds you can have
You can NOT use military calibers in some European countries , totally agree.
.270 has been around for longer than most of us and for a very good reason
People can't let go of the past?
@@robertthurman3743 why the need to?.. you ever seen a custom built .270win perform?
That's like saying a 1980s TV is better than one today. Technology usually makes things better and if you think a 270 is the best cartridge out there, you must live under a rock.
@@samich2091 maybe its not the best..however..i have seen 270 win do everything they talk about the 280 nosler do in this video.
Jesse Busby I’ve seen videos of a 28 Nosler dropping elk at ~1200 yards. 270 is fine for inside of 350 yards, but the problem is it doesn’t have the powder capacity to push high BC bullets long range at suitable velocities to take game with.
And even if it did, no company makes high BC 270 caliber bullets to reload with anyways lol, all the good bullets are in 264, 284, 308, and 338 cal. No love for 270, 325, or 378 in long range stuff.
270 is great for deer, elk, hell even moose in close range. But the magnums were never meant to outshine the 270/30-06 in close range. They were meant to perform how the 270 does at 50 yards, at 500yards and beyond.
The ethics of such hunting are up for debate, but that’s what they were made for.
7mm Rem Mag is my favorite bang for the buck. Good B.C's for the caliber.
7mm is 284, so it can shoot the same bullets as the 28 nosler, albeit with a little less velocity. Nosler is like creedmoor in this regard - they are just reinventing the wheel. There is also 280 remington which is right in there too, although milder than 7 rem. All shoot same bullets
@@A1soldiersaint Most US calibres are just copies of European calibres. 6.5X55 and 7X64 are all you really need. Shooting animals at 2km is not needed, you still have to go retrieve it, why not just walk closer in the first place. The US are about 50-130 years behind Europe in cartridge and ammunition design, it's a joke. I find it bizarre at how yanks think 6.5 and 7mm are some new invention.
@@chippyjohn1 thank you for your undue patronization. I value 6.5x55 for a number of reasons. I wish I had a 7x64 in my safe, but I prefer 7mm rem mag for a number of reasons (i.e. I am American and I enjoy its balance of recoil vs performance) and the same could be said for 300 win mag as far as my preference. As far as hunting, I cannot communicate with you as an equal, as you are a sideline nay sayer.
@@chippyjohn1 look we started with Big lead because we have big shit that wants to eat us, the European settlers wanted big lead to kill the natives, we needed repeaters, the lever gun was invited, the first war started and then the American boys started to see the performance of the German 7mm rifles, and just because the Nazis had it, alot of guys just wanted the 30cal.
government.
It's kinda like the 6.5 Creed.
It's a basic performance twin of the Great and Wonderful 6.5x55 (my first and Favorite 6.5)
Or the American 7mm08 (my favorite caliber, I own 2 myself)
Is basically a 7x55.
But I prefer the 708 for reloading because I have access to plenty of brass and bullets in it's weight range.
We can say European countries are about 150 years ahead of us in Overreacting government and gun laws also.
As of now I can own every caliber I want. Can you?
Point is, America loves guns, I say make More.
@@chippyjohn1 According to what I have researched, the .284 calibre for 7.1 (Actual caliber) mm was invented by Winchester not The Europeans.....Thats 7mm Rem mag, 7mm RUUM, 7mm-06, 7mm Ultra Mag, 7mm Allen Mag, and pretty much any 7mm .284 cal wild cat that you can imagine... minus some obscure chambering and close calibers. Just ask Iraq in the first gulf war, whos chamerings were supposidly "superior" and ahead. They had the 4th largest millitary in the world, bought their weapons in europiean chamberings and got their asses handed to them in 41 hours. Largely due to the M1A1 tanks and air assets. The gun on the M1A1 is of german design, but you are assuming that we couldn't come up with our own. 100 to 150 years behind is a big number. Educate your self. This would be a good time to not underestimate the U.S. and their chamberings. The U.S. is a lil' more savvy to B.C. and chamberings than you understand.
Love my 300 Weatherby Mag, definitely in the top 3 for best 30 cal cartridges ever created.
The mounts on my wall are all with my Remington 700 ADL 30.06 I've had for 50 years. I did shoot a nice bull elk at 585 yards with my 300 win mag with factory ammo (180 gr). The scope calibrated for the rifle is the secret. My .06 would drop a moose at 600 yards if the bullet placement was accurate with the right scope. I've shot 4 moose - 2 with my .338 win mag (225 gr bullet) and 2 with my 30.06 (165 gr bullet). The .06 dropped em in their tracks, the .338 did not even with good bullet placement. I've sold all my other rifles and have only my 30.06 that my mom bought me when I was 12 and killed my first deer that year.
It comes down to having the right tool for the right job. Personally, I have a 270 for deer, black bear, antelope etc. For bigger game: moose, elk and grizzly the 300 win mag is my go to. With those 2 calibers I can go after anything on the North American continent with confidence.
Scott Miller all 4 my Elk has been shot with a .270 and it's been done for years...people underestimate this caliber
olroy2006 my friend took an elk at 600 yards no problems. He said everyone was telling him he was under gunned with a 270 but he dropped everything with one shot
Dude your my ducking hero
The 28 Nosler is the 7MM REMINGTON ULTRA MAGNUM , you said it was a 284 on a 300 ULTRA case which is what the 7RUM is , the 7RUM is a Great Rifle . The ULTRA MAGNUMS ARE EXCELLENT CALIBERS !!!!!
The best caliber is the one that you can consistently hit the target with. Whether that is a .22 or a .338 lapua, your skill is most important. Also, it depends on what species you are hunting. A skilled person will bring any animal down quickly and humanely with a .308 in North America.
The subject is what's the best long range rifle, .22 isn't even in that category
I’m all about bad ass rifles and scopes and even some long range shots but I pride myself in stalking in close. To me that’s what the hunt is all about
you must live out west. most (certainly not all) of the country east of I-35, the terrain is too flat and/or too heavily wooded, too little visibility (30-40 yards is about normal where I hunt), with too much leaf litter on the ground. Silent movement where I hunt only happens after a good rain, when the leaves are soaking wet. when the leaves are dry, it's like walking on bubble wrap. every. single. step.
Thank you...be a hunter not a sniper
7mm shooting times westerner. Hands down best long range cartridge
I do not hunt past 500 yds. 308 has always served me well.
@GastonGross yea past 300 yards 7mm is superior is energy, velocity, drop and drift
@GastonGross I hunt with a 30-06 and am working up 300WM for long range shooting. My daughter dropped a large bull in his tracks a month ago with her 7mm-08. A tiny bullet well placed scooting along at around 2800 fps will do the trick inside 500
@GastonGross The kids and my wife hunt with the 7mm-08 and watching a huge bull drop in his tracks proves with good shot placement it is capable of taking some big game. My daughter practiced a bunch and can ring steel almost 100 percent with random distances and angles to wind from 200-400 and that might not be feasible with a gun that has more recoil.
Thats not the caliber nor the range what that is called is ETHICS what real hunters use
Not ballistics calculated d.o.p.e data deluded wannabe hunters that shoot so far cause they can't get near a deer without giving there scent away
Its once again a little thing ethics respect for the hunt respect for our land and respect to animal
I wouldnt shoot a deer past that range with my 300 rum or 338lap even thou both guns hit paper all day at 1000yards
I like my 270 Winchester.
Few people have the skills to shoot a game animal much past 400 to 500 yards, under ideal field conditions. Blowing wind currents, rain, snow, and sleet affect our abilities to shoot. Not to mention low light conditions found at dawn and dusk when the animals are on the move. long range hunting should be left to military snipers where wounding of the enemy is almost as effective as a kill. Our big game animals deserve our highest respect and one sure shot one quick kill should be our goal..
i see a lot of people saying “i shot at a bull elk from 600 yards” when all the elk i’ve seen out scouting and hunting where seen at 600 yards but stalked and seen within 300
I tried to say something alike in my post. I think you did a better job with fewer words.
Your numbers are way off, there are LOTS of guys who can make those shots and do so regularly. You don't have to be a "military sniper" to practice and get good with your rifle to make those shots.
Highly mistaken, thousands of Americans practice long range shooting, some of us sense we was youngins. I’ve killed multiple whitetail at 500 and beyond
@@shaneglover1680 I bet you wounded alot of animals.
7mm Rem Mag has a variety of loads suited to anything over here. 30-06 can also do the trick as well as .308 and 300 Win Mag. The 270 is also a good load. AND you can find rounds for all these, especially the first two, in any store anywhere at all times. That can be important. My family is all outfitted with the 7mm and we don't have similar looking rounds in different pockets. We all have the same rifle rounds, though sometimes we shoot smaller bullets and half powder loads for white tails in Texas.I agree that recoil is really important and managing that makes a better shooter. Now that we can have sound suppression, I would suggest that as sound damages hearing and causes flinching. Those kids won't always have hearing protection properly situated. But by long range, i mean three hundred yards or perhaps four hundred yards at the most. Keep lots of energy with that placement and do right by the game. Half that distance or less is what I want generally.
"Whats the Best Caliber?" The one you can shoot most accurately, most consistently, at the ranges in question. Period.
@@graedonfreeman8638 LMAO
Basically Red Rock precision commercial! There's many perfect long-range cartridges that won't hurt your pocketbook and your shoulder illustrated in this video.
Magnumitis. A bone stock 270 Win or 30-06 does everything I need.
I've never owned a 270 but I know it's a great cartridge. I have on 30-06 though and always had great accuracy and great success with it I hunted with it in Alaska took down several moose single shots. Very effective hard to beat for all around. It's a lot more available a lot cheaper and I had a 300 Weatherby and I wasn't as accurate with it because it just kicked so damn hard it was crazy. you have to take your sunglasses off before you shoot that gun cuz it'll knock them right off your face. LOL
@MMPS how does a rifle detach your retina?
adam shaw recoil
But how if it dosent hit you?
SpinFast SF yes sir a 30.06 is my favorite I kill deer,hogs & dogs! What else do I need...I can’t say enough about my 7400 autoloader.
I like the 30-06 because i can find the ammo any where real easy. Secondly the 30-06 gives you all the range and power you need without the blast and recoil of a 300 magnum and up.
Ill take my .300wsm over the 30-06. Imo its al around better.
@@9gagerofl thanks for the input bilbo baggins
@@9gagerofl Your opinion. I just don't agree.
I have all kinda of rifles but as time goes on rifles get better and the understanding gets better nothing wrong with the old guns, but the new ones are just that much better, more power better range and less recoil.
@@nateday2010 i like all of them, new and old, i have a 1970s savage 110 and a 2020 savage 110,
Both are good
.270 win is my favorite deer round
I think the .270 will kill pretty much anything in North America. Some people may be hesitant to go after brown bear with one...
diver0129 I don’t have either but just curious what you think for Brown bear. 270 or 30 06?
@@131rocketman : brown bear? 338 win mag or 375 h&h
@@diver0129 some people..not me
@@tonnywildweasel8138 my dad and a friend shoot 270s and they have shoot everything, even hunted in Africa with them. It has more to do with shoot placement. They never hunted the big 5 but they shoot Wildebeest, Kudo, Caped Buffalo and others. Also here deer to huge moose and bear.
Imo, it's the one that you'll Want to shoot...used to be a 30.06 guy, now I'm a .243 shooter...ethical and comfortable shooting...
Here in Alaska
My 2 favorite 338 Win Mag and 338 Rem Ultra Mag
My 338 Win use 225gr A frame
My 338 Rum use 250 gr Berger
.270 WSM is my new favorite out to 400-450, Beyond that, I don’t wanna wound and not kill.
I shoot a 7mm Reming Mag ( a .284) and love it. I shoot 140 grain for deer and 175 for elk. It's perfect for me being 18.
To much capillary damage for me. I hunt for meat.
@@russellkeeling9712 Never had much issue unless I hit shoulder, but that’s true for any cartridge I’ve seen so far. I switched to 168’s all around and they’ve been great. Good entry, good exit, not much blood shot at all.
I bought a Remington model 700 bdl years ago. I'm no expert, I just know if I want to make a accurate long range shot, that gun delivered right out of the box
The best cartridge for long distance I've ever had was the 270 Weatherby Magnum; All the deer that hunt with that cartridge never took a step; 130 gr of Nosler Ballistic Tip had at 3500 fps a real rocket; I am currently hunting with a large standard cartridge for long distance 25-06 Remington, super happy with it too.
You can't beat the 7mm Rem mag or 300 win mag in the medium bore rifles. If you want to go bigger the 300 Weatherby is a fantastic cartridge as well. You can go bigger! but now you have increased recoil, ammo availability issues, Ammo cost. For the type of hunting I do I will stick with the 7mm or 300. I will say the 30-06 cartridge has stood the test of time, one of my favorites.
Nice we like the new 6.5 Creedmoor and the old stand by .300wsm. He's right though personal preference is key.
6.5 Creedmoor for hunting at 800+? Lmao. Take a hike
@JDJ Because you shouldn't? Because if you manage to hit a deer at 800 yards you MIGHT be able to handload your way to 1000 ft/lbs of remaining energy.
I like the good old 30/30 my choice with the amo now
Thay can get it done
I use them and 30-06..still the best
Still a 308 fan. I can get ammo about anywhere fairly cheap and i dont hunt over 300 yards.
If you reload, the .308 and the 300 RUM are the same projectile. One just moves faster plus you are open to fire heavier bullets.
300 yards is where my hunts start lol. It’s not a one size fits all issue.
Just started with a 28 nosler and super impressed so far. Cant wait to get it in the field on a critter.
How are the ballistics compared to a 7mm rem mag?
Awesome round, expensive ammo. Bad barrel life.
@@jessebusby7685 more recoil. but moving about 400 fps faster and more energy drops less and with the heavier 7mm bullets drifts less in the wind
I like the 300 Win Mag and 7mm Rem Mag. The 7 Mag is probably my favorite. The big craze now are the 6.5 creed more and other wildcat calibers. I don't think they offer a landslide difference between the 300 or the 7mm to justify switching.
Just do the right thing... Purchase a Weatherby! .257, or .300... Cant go wrong with either! Off the shelf best rifles in the world.!
Great caliber,,I agree,,,, best guns wby,,, I own them,,, but I disagree not the best rifles,,,,,,,,,,,for hunting nothing beats SAKO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, demand perfection,,,,,,,,sako,,,,,,,,,,,,
Nope
Winchester model 70 pre 64(controlled round feed) in .270 with Boss system to tighten your groups is all I need, Federal Premiums boat tail 130 gr. Noslers with polymer tips
How does a boss system tighten up groups?
Short, medium, or long - .30-06 in my old Winchester Model 70.
Excellent round and a fine rifle too. I have a Winchester m70 Alaskan in .30-06.
Myself & Carlos Hathcock totally agree with you!!!
My favorite bolt action rifle caliber is the timeless Springfield .30-06
same here
Alan Belmont go into any supply store is scratchass usa and find a box of 30.06. ole trusty......
I love my 30-06 semi auto, good handling gun
Bolt Action 30-06, pre-64 Remington 700 and Kimber Montana 84L.
love my 30-06's but I love all my rifles from .22's to my weatherby 460. If i had to give them all up but keep one i'd keep my weatherby 30-378. Longer distance + more knock down power.
I've been shooting and handloading my 300ultramag for 19 years now.I love it
Been shooting my 1986 Ruger 7MM since 1990 and for me the biggest difference was the bullet, I used to use Remington core lock ammo but as soon as it hit it would turn into shrapnel instantly destroying meat so I switched to Hornady 162 grain and at 300 yards flipped the buck over onto its horns as soon as it hit and the thud sound it made was insane. The buck was dead before it hit the ground. PS: it went threw the buck in one piece and the hole on the exit wound was about as big as a golf ball. 👍🏻🇺🇸
a lot of guys don't seem to understand that about these really hot bullets. if impact velocity is expected to be north of about 2600-2700, premium bullets (Swift, Barnes, Woodleigh, Nosler, Norma) are the way to go. I've had good luck over the years with Hornady spire points and recently with ELD-X in various calibers, but I haven't had to shoot further than about 50 yards at a deer in more than 30 years, so I can get away with "slow" out of my 6.5x55, 308 Win, 9.3x62, and 45-70. I've also had good luck with Speer Grand Slams. Certainly not a premium bullet, but out of a barrel at 2500-2700 fps, they have always held up well. I don't have any magnums because I've never had a need to reach out. One day soon, maybe. But more likely, my "flat shooter" is going to be a 280 AI
lower impact velocities also generally translates to less ruined meat.
I have been deer, antelope and elk hunting for 55+ years. 30-06, 270 Win, 264 Win Mag, 6mm Rem. I have taken deer in 8 states, and a couple of hogs in FL. Some at 20 yards and out to 500+. The 264 WM and 270 Win are awesome in the hands of a good rifleman in WY. You should hand load and practice!
Do not shoot at game if you are unsure of the shot. Pick the right bullets and know where its going to go!
For my long range deer hunting it's a 270 wsm for me.
I'm So glade we have all of these fine Calibers and cartridges to chose from. The man who knows his rifle has a good chancy for long range shots. Range will always very from cartridge to cartridge knowing what your Riffle is capable of. And knowing your own capability is what it's about. So whatever your Favorite is get out there and set up some targets And see what you can do. Happy hunting.
Before I even started the video I thought the 284 was probably going to be your pick it shoots flat and further than almost any other caliber out there. 7 millimeter Remington Magnum, 284 Winchester, 280 REM. They're all really top-notch calibers.
300 Win Mag and 7 Rem Mag are perfect with Hornady Superformance...
Black Hills ftw
Huntfriends TV And Federal Premium.
Huntfriends TV agree 1000 percent.7 mag and 300 win mag are excellent long range calibers .Long range to me beinh 500 yds tops.Sure I know longer shots have been made but to me THATS NOT HUNTING.
7mm remington magnum et KS rws :super.
Hornady superformance ammo sucks. At least it did when it first came out. I will never buy anymore of it.
I love my 300 winmag.
So do I, but I don't get out West much these days, and there is no use for it back East.
For varmints, the 22-250. For deer and animals of that sort, you can’t go wrong with a 270. For animals like elk and up, the 270 Weatherby Magnum or the 7mm STW are some of my favorite choices
The 30 cal has always been the hunter's choice but I must give a nod to the .270 guys.
Don't even have to watch this video to know that. I'm an NRA Lifer for over 40 years.
My father, also a lifer, qualified as an expert firearms instructor through the NRA.
We are avid re-loaders with a Dillon press.
The reason I like the 30 caliber round is because you can load such a wide range of projectile
weights, all the same dia. and interchangeable to a point From 110g in a carbine 30-30 all the
way up to 250g in the .300 win mag. You will need all four chamberings of course, but who doesn't
have a small collection these days. The point here is to have the right tool for the job depending
on terrain and conditions.
A 30-30 Winchester lever gun is unmatched in heavy flat land thickets, or when camping out in a stand.
The .308 and .3006 in a lever or bolt action is great where open fields give you a clear shot at distances
inside 500 yards. Great for big whitetail bucks. But when you need the extra thump of a
heavier projectile (200g - 250g) going after larger game, then nothing beats the .300 win mag.
I live back East in Maryland. I rarely get a shot over 250 yards. Most of the time I won't take it even though
I know I can make that shot with ease. The set up would have to be perfect for me to do it and it isn't always
perfect out there. I like to lure them in so a I have a clean set up (Deer looking away, head down) for a clean
head shot (through the bottom, exiting the top of the skull). They never see the flash or hear it coming at
100 - 120 yards. This ensures a humane kill with no tracking or adrenaline shock in the meat.
I use a full metal jacket Ball 168g .308 in an Winchester m88 lever action. Do not use hollow points for
head shots if you want a clean trophy mount (I like European style personally). But, when I can't get that big
crafty old Buck in close and I must take a longer shot to the body, then a 180g semi-jacketed hollow point
works well in that same rifle, or my Winchester Alaskan .3006 out to 500 yards.
The Idea here gentlemen is to drop them where they stand and to bring home a quality product that your
wife, children and friends will actually enjoy eating, while doing the least amount of damage to the animal.
If you are out for anything else (like bragging rights @1000 yards +), well then you are doing it for the wrong reasons, period.
I would add the 300 WSM and the good ol 7mm Rem Mag to that long range A List, but me personally I hardly ever even get a chance at a shot past 500 yards where I live now so my smaller cased 7mm and 6.5mm see more action then my magnums and yes a little sissy kicking 7mm-08 or 6.5x55 will absolutely hammer a deer or feral hog.
Enigma Cipher agree....ballistically nothing beats the 6.5,7mm, snd 338 cal in weight per bc
I hear good things about both bit wen it comes to reaching way to far out there the ultra just has that tiny edge I was in a tug of war with the 300wsm or 300rum & although the short action was a big sell point along with Ammo availability I went with the 300rum simply because you can do every thing the wsm can & a touch more if you feel really good about your skill level, good points tho still like the wsm maybe next time LoL
Barrel throat life and recoil are big factors if you're not hunting anything beyond 200 yards or so.
I wish someone would do a round table discussion on long range hunting ethics. Based on the Boone & Crockett standards - long range doesn't really fit. Long range does not seem to fit in to the "fair chase" hunting ethic. I applaud guys who can shoot long distance and think it is great and lots of fun when at the range. But hunting an animal at some of these ridiculous distances is certainly not 'fair chase.' Just because we have the technology to shoot long distances doesn't mean it is right to kill at those distances. Unfortunately for some guys, ELR is simply an excuse for bad hunting skills.
What’s fair chase?
Like the prey not even knowing (like getting the chance to escape?) that they’re about to be shot?
Fair chase and ethics are subjective. Ask an anti-hunter for the definition and it will probably be different than yours. My definition is hunting within your own skill set, weapon setup and your own ethics.
Love my 270, but have always wanted to get a 7mm. The SD in the .284 is so much better than the .277 for larger game. But my Browning 270 is an awesome rifle, have taken 12 Deer in PA with it.
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor that I use for Whitetail Deer and it works phenomenally especially at ranges of 500 yards and up
Andrew McGlothlin Sure it does.Way overrated edpecially for elk.
I'll stick to my 270
same
That’s what I use and all i need
270 short mag for me
Damn right..
now we're starting to get some good heavy bullets mfr.
I still like my 300 win mag!!!
damn straight
I considered porting barrel for less recoil on my 300. Asked gunsmith and his reply was "how good can you shoot?" (I get at least a grouse a year with head shot) He said "don't need it if you can do that"
You shoot grouse with 300 win mag? OooooK then.
Right on. 300 Win Mag!
Slit a ruffed grouse's throat last year with my 300win, would have cut his head off but got lucky and it just barely grazed him lol. Too far of a walk back to the truck to get my shotgun.
I love the 7 mm Mags, the 28 Nosler is not an exception. There are even some not too ridiculously light rifles available from Bergara, Browning etc. The main problems are : 1) the ammo was not very easy to get even before the pandemic 2) ammo price is like the Weatherbies, Lazzeronis or Dakotas......
1000 yards isn't hunting any longer!! Come on man!!
Be honest with youself mainly .Mines a tikka t3 6.5x55 129 sst hand loads. 100yard zero drops 17"at 300 yards. 5"at 200 .. 10mm group at 100 yards .t8 moderator takes out recoil ....nice ...On a trip for reds in Scotland the ghillie asked us if we were ok out to 300 yards .I was the only one who said no but fine to 250.Truth is i am ok to 400 but prefer to keep it close .well guess who was the only one who put the round through the stags heart .trigger time is the key.
It's amazing to me that this discussion has continued for over 70 years! First of all, what you are calling "long range shooting" (over 400 yards) and as stated 800, 900 and 1,200 yards IS NOT HUNTING!! It is IRRESPONSIBLE. With over 40 years of "field experience" in both hunting and military environments I think I have a right to say what I'm saying. During that time, I have never had the need to shoot a magnum rated rifle cartridge, I do however carry a .44 magnum pistol in bear country. With that being said, learn to hunt, learn to shoot (shot placement), learn that maximum velocity from any given cartridge does not equal accuracy and get to KNOW your gun by spending time at the range shooting under varied conditions. Have fun and be safe!
Go sheep hunting in Colorado sometime, you will find 800 yards may be the only chance you get, where you can actually get to one you put in the dirt. Flatter shooting trajectories just help in shooting up steep inclines in a windy canyon easier to do the trig.
I don’t even know the answer but .270 for sure
One of the critical factors in a hunting round is velocity at impact. You want to be above Mach 2.0 to induce both hydraulic and hydrostatic shock. Also, adequate penetration to create a lethal wound channel. You'd better have that terminal velocity at your outer hunting range. In my 280 AI I used a 140 grain Nosler Accubond. It evicerated the ram at 382 yards and the shock kept him down until he expired. High BC can be compensated for with your scope doping. Velocity at impact cannot.
300 Winchester short mag
Has the same ballistics as a 270 but with better wind drift and way more kentic energy
Sorry but I do not agree. A 270 does not have the same ballistics and the 300 mag. The .270 is a 30-06 case necked down with the shoulder angle changed. The 300 can hold much more powder and launch a much heavier bullet quickly.
What Caliber would you use for Long Range hunting a Bigfoot or Sasquatch ? How about up close to a Bigfoot or Sasquatch what caliber would you use ?
17 cal rimfire.... low recoil but fast round.... good to a mile like it says on the box of shells...
Gregory Heath up close and personal , 45-70 marlin guide gun
Lanc Mac 17 rim fire. That would feel like a mosquito lol. And it would just laugh as it chased me. Lol.
thesheepman220 I would never want to find out. Scary thought.
That's a lot of gun for anything smaller than an elk(.422). Hand loads in some of the small calibers and wildcat rounds can get you there when not hunting for cape buffalo.
270. and 308 the best and cheap to shoot.
My browning bar 25/06,is flat shooting and will put any nice buck or elk down fast with a well placed shot with a lot less recoil to boot!!!!!
I use a Diana Model 34 airgun shooting a 7 grain Superperformance soft point @t 950 fps, and I've killed over 50 grizzly bears and moose with it. None have required a follow up shot.
The .257 Weatherby Mag is a sweet round.
VicJackpotRider I AGREE THE 257 HAS BEEN AROUND FOR AROUND 70 YEARS
I like this cartridge too, but stick with the high BC, heavier bullets like the 115gr Ballistic Tip and you'll have decent energy out to about 500 yards.
It is a nice shooter but if you hit the animal in the front hoof the meat is damaged to its a**.
i have read a lot of comments and im only 12 and i think a 243 works just fine
Mikey Brown You are exactly right. A 243 works great for deer. I have killed countless deer in my days. For a few years in my area we could get tags for an unlimited number of does. That's how we put meat on the table... Anyway, I've deer hunted with everything from a 223 and 22-250 up through 375 H&H and 12 gauge with slugs. But I always go back to the good old dependable 243. Just learn to hunt well enough to get within a good distance and place your shot correctly.
Mikey Brown I've taken most of my deer with a .243 but its a little light for larger game.
My dad loves his 243s they are fine but yeah 300+ yards for big deer... yeah
yes, 243 is considered the best all around cal. by many.
Very good gun
My go to rifles are .270win and 30-06.
.270 when I’m expecting longer shots more likely, and 30-06 for shorter shots are expected more likely... my .270 set up weigh 12+lbs and 30-06 set up weigh less than 7lbs.
The 300 rum is a hell of a round. It's a powerhouse that doesn't skimp in the accuracy department. In my opinion it is the perfect round for anything less than 1200lbs. I just wish the brass life would last 3-5 instead of 2-3 shots. Glad to see someone else on the same bandwagon.
where i hunt your lucky to see past 100 yards, the 30-06 is VERY effective here and you can buy ammo at every local hardware store or gun shop
Reload! Accuracy you will get is unreal compared to the stuff off the shelf. And sometimes your local shop won't have the grain or exact type of bullet you sighted your rifle in with. Happy shooting!
Wayne Hartneck Yeah Bro
I love 270 caliber is the best
My choice is a 6.5 PRC in a Browning X-Bolt Pro. 22" barrel with a 1:7 twist for heavier 6.5 bullets used in this "6.5 Creedmoor magnum". In terms of ft. pounds of energy the 6.5 PRC cartridge can take a bull elk at 400 yards, deer at 900 yards and antelope at 1,000 yards.
The 6.5 PRC is not a "barrel burner" so you can practice a lot. Also it does not have a lot of typical magnum recoil. Less than a 30-06.
The equipment has changed in recent years but the physics have not. If you want to get the job done at long range the answer has always been to send mass. Try a .416 Rigby with a 325 grain bullet. Muzzle velocity is right at 2898 so energy will be way more than enough at just about any range.
When I went elk hunting in Colorado I took a 7mm rem mag Remington 700
Great round. Basically perfect for any North American game animal. Most people are over-calibered anyway.
And I don’t even shoot it!
When I went elk hunting in Colorado I took many different rifles. The two largest elk I ever harvested were with my .275 Rigby. In 2019 I harvested my elk with a 266 yard shot with my .444 Marlin. The key to hunting is not caliber but your skill at hunting. If you have to take a shot that is further than 400 yards you aren't much of a hunter you are just a shooter. Never take a shot unless you can tell your partner just where you will hit that animal before you ever take the shot.
7stw is a great rifle for long range.
Ive owned from 260rem up to big 338s and ive settled on a 28 nosler. You can run it mild at 2900fps with a 195 berger and the ballistics are incredible. Ive shot a moose with a 260rem and it didnt go far. Know your own limits and your rifle's limits and it all good.
I use a .270 Winchester or a .270 wsm. They are the perfect rounds for most types of hunting situations. Availability of ammo is the number one issue for most. It depends what type of terrain and what you are hunting. Less than 200 yds, I use my 6.8 spc. See the pattern? .277 caliber ! A reloader's mindset.
270 is the best all around caliber. Hands down.
Joe Tibbles yes I agree
In isolation. When you think about the 6.5mm options and the .284 options, it can be somewhat less appealing.
I love 270 but it falls apart at long range
dan ashton yes. But what is your definition of long range
For me anything over 300m
I'll stick with 30-06
I own/use .243 and .30-06; my favorite is 7mm Mag.
My dad shoots a 30-06, one grandpa shot a .243, and the other grandpa loves his 7mm. I am 17 and can’t buy one yet but I will probably get a 30-06 because that is what we already have and I like the m1 grand.
Good old German 8x57 Mauser.
Witch one 8X57 or 8X57 JS first one I don't think so but second one it is a power😃
Krzysztof Powaza
There is only one 8x57 Mauser tecnical but lot of .synonymsThe letter "J" often mentioned by English speaking sources is actually an "I" for Infanterie (German for "infantry"). A stamped "I" at the cartridge bottom in writing styles used in the past in Germany could be easily mistaken for a "J". Even in the 21st century the "I" is often substituted by a "J" in English speaking communities and German ammunition manufacturers often write "JS" instead of "IS" to avoid confusing customers. The letter "S" stands for Spitzgeschoß ("pointed bullet"), and the English designation "spitzer" for that style of bullet is derived from this German term.Also thetre is a lot of synonym for this bullet Cartridge SA, 7.92
7.92×57, 7.92×57mm
7.92×57 Mauser, 7.92×57mm Mauser
8mm Mauser
8×57, 8×57mm
8×57 Mauser, 8×57mm Mauser
8 × 57 IS, 8 × 57 JS.....but that is just the same thing and same bullet.
8X57J 7,80/8,07mm was made in 1894/95 later from 1905 germans made 8X57JS 7,89/8,29mm witch was much powerfull now all S kalibers got primers paint in black and if any body who owns old Mauser made before 1905 traying to shoot ammo mark as S can blow up that gun. With all do respect mister ciro old 8X57J or JR (JR is for brake action) is less powerfull then his younger ,,broter" 8X57 JS or JRS.
Krzysztof Powaza
That about you talking about is Patrone 88 bullet for first Mauser G1988 rifle,you are right,old and very rare rifle.All other G98 and K98 Mausers use modern 8x57 JS bullet.
+ciro yes but for example in Poland shooters and hunters always talking about those 2 kalibers .And I do shoot a 8x57S from my old Mauser from 1926 perfect condition and shoots perfect grups
i had a 28 nosler, and never once did i think of one of the benefits of that cartridge as being 'light recoil'
I mean, i guess its no 300 ultra mag, but a soft shooter it was not.
My everyday hunting rifle is a 25-06 Remington model 700 . I have real good range and knock down power. I use a 120gr Sierra hollow point. I use a 3-9 Redfield Eliminator WIDE view. It's a old scope but it works fine. My scope is set inch in a half high at a 100 yards. It's good up to 300 to 400 yards most of the time. If I know I'm going to shoot over 400 yards I prefer my 300 BURGESS BROWNING A BOLT.
300 Winchester Magnum /300 WSM 300 Ultra Magnum are all hard to beat.!!!
300 W mag 180 grains Accubond
I can appreciate long range shooting. Long range hunting, not so much. I shoot a lowly factory Savage 116 in 300 Ultra Mag so its not as accurate or as nice as a custom gun. However, I have never needed to shoot more than 200 yards at an animal. Not saying it couldn't happen.
robfromaz1977
You can have your savage Tuned for about $800 or less. And then it will match any of the customs in accuracy. They are good rifles, especially for the price!
400 yards should be about maximum for any hunter, regardless of how confident and experienced they are at long ranges. There is no need to go further. The point is getting a clean kill and being considerate as an ethical hunter, not impressing your buddies and boosting your ego. If people can get within 300 yards or less for a nice shot, why go further? Everyone will make a mistake sooner or later at longer distances and it's unnecessary.
I can hit at 1760 (1mile) with a 24" 6.5 Creedmoor, and probably 2100yards with properly loaded 6.5x55. Without the RUM Beating ,, plus. At RUM prices, I Can shoot 338LAP. So, if I wanna get beat up, I might as well shoot the Big One😀
Great video. It answered some of my questions perfectly. Thanks.
right...
Doug west now are your rifles have scopes on them. now can you shoot the same distances bike that if you have iron sights. the only person I can think of who shot at a distance of 1500 yards with iron sights is Billy Dixon back in the days in 18 70s.
If trajectory is all you're after, the 6.5 do that very well. If massive hitting power is what you're after, even slow moving slugs can accomplish that. If trajectory and massive hitting power is what you're after, plan on breaking a collar bone, getting nasty bruising, burning up barrels and hurting your ears.
Lifted_Above I like yardage but I also like bone shattering power at the same time I've handled rifles all the way up to 458 Winchester's it does not bother my shoulder it does not bother my hearing hell I even fired a big 50 cal rifle and it still doesn't hurt my shoulder.
geo therma Yeah thats what I said.What a asshole.
There’s two calibers I use over 800 yards for continued energy and retained velocity: 28 Nosler and 6.5-300WBY. Certainly there are others, but my groups are much better. I’m still an old 300 Weatherby guy, but I’ve had to evolve. Sorry, Roy…
303 British with iron sights.
Garbage gun
dougk5 Lee Enfield is a legend, pattern 14 is brilliant, ruger no 1, Lee Speed or double rifle. Classic guns for a classic round.
I also use the brilliant 30-06 and 7mm Mauser.
Bagged my first deer with a 303 British and it's mounted and hung on many walls!
Shot them with numerous calibers since my childhood and the honest difference was an extra burger here or there going down in calibers and less burgers going up :)
my dad and i have hunted washington and montana with 270 winchester and 30-06. never needed a magnum. i think magnums add alot of recoil for not much improved ballistics.
So true bro !
I shoot a 338wm m70, My old 270win. M70 kicked more than my 338. The main reason I bought it was my buddy's dad was selling it for 600.00 it's has a McMillan stock and a vx3 target scope on it.
My 300 much flatter, longer distance, and harder hitting, but for a longer distance. All are good, given type of game and round requirement for that game, but don't forget....With any round shot placement is always number-one.
@Pacific Northwest Nomad Give aways soon!!! maybe it's the aim the 270 is the best all around caliber period!!!
I own two 700 Remington in 8mm magnum and I hand load both with 200 nosler partitions at 3100 feet per second, all you need for long distance shooting, both are topped with Leopold's with mil dots for long range shooting
I've owned 300 win mag, and still own a 7mm mag... But, every elk I've ever killed (Montana) has been with a '06.. Just seems to be the rifle I pick up when gearing up. Weatherby Vanguard from the '70s
I like the Mossberg Patriot 308
Long range? Work on your skills to get close instead. We're going backwards.
I hunt with a Browning a bolt clambered to a 300 Burgess . I use 300 Weatherby Magnum cases. 96gr reloader 22 magnum powder. 150gr Nosler ballistic tip. I have a 30 inch Shillings Barrel my receivers blued the barrel is stainless fluted. It shoots a little over 3,800 feet per second. And I shoot as far as I need to shoot around here where I live. I'm from the Appalachian Mountains of North Carolina and Tennessee.
Phasers: Maximum range 750,000 km (maximum effective range 50,000 km)
Photons: Maximum range 300,000 km (maximum effective range 80,000 km)
Klingon phasers are shorter range. The Federation also has "point defense phasers" with range 150,000 km (max effective 20,000km)
Please consider shot placement for maximum amount of salvageable meat
Hunt a moose at 1060 yards?? wow, ive been hunting wrong i guess, i usually get within 50 to 100 yards to the animal.
@God's Com'n nope, not even close,
Because you are a hunter mate....
Why not stick to the good old 308win?
S&W, mod 1500 20 " barrel , .308 150 gr. 400 yds all day any day , many, many ! Good bucks fell at that range , this rifle up on my bench year after year.
Weatherby 7mm mag... short range, long range(400 yards out to 600,700) extremely versatile, wide choice of cartridges, accurate, lethal etc, etc.