No one can dispute that Toscanini knew what Verdi wanted, since he knew him personally and played in the premier performances of some of his works. And Verdi always wanted his tempos rushed .
il più GRANDE di tutti e mai superato l'unico che riesce a farti comprendere cosa sono le emozioni dal Paradiso all'Inferno, mentre tanti altri sono solo Purgatorio
Toscanini learnt his craft at Verdi’s altar…one reason people say why Toscanini never did any Bruckner is because there is no Adagio in Verdi!!! Simplistic to be sure…but interesting…
@@indranilpoddar7195in Verdi ci sono i molti movimenti lenti Il problema è che Toscaninin non li rispettava. Preferiva la Cavalcata delle Walkirie. La forza del destino ha un bellissimo lento cantabile, basta eseguirlo come previsto dall'autore. Bruchner puoi scordartelo.
Potenza,precisione e al tempo stesso sensibilità e interpretazione immenso e unico Toscanini,dirigeva tutto a memoria senza lo spartito davanti a più di ottant'anni.
Arturo Toscanini was an in his time the world's brilliant and leading conductor. Always giving outstanding performances, precise, dynamic, exciting, powerful, melodic and pure Toscanini. Toscanini was a perfectionist, the NBC Symphony Orchestra was established for him in the US. He gave superb performances with the BBC Symphony orchestra at the Queen's Hall London before it was destroyed in WW2. All orchestral musicians always respected "the Maestro". He is almost never heard these days, his recordings never played... a very great pity. As a great follower of this outstanding conductor I should point out one great weakness. Almost all of the NBC Symphony Orchestra recordings were recorded in Studio 8 of the NBC facilities and this studio had a dead, dull accoustic which spoilt many great performances. His interpretations of Verdi, Rossini, Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner and Elgar shown his great skill.....precision and interpretation. He always conducted from memory and always had perfect timing and intonation. Look up and listen to his great recordings on RUclips, Rossini La Gazza Ladre (what power, great strings), William Tell, Brahms 4th, Beethoven's symphonies,.... All great recordings.
Non vi è alcun dubbio che egli sia, senza alcuna ombra di dubbio, il più grande direttore d'orchestra della storia della musica.. Riposa in pace Arturo...e grazie.....
Affermazione molto forte che non trova riscontro tra i veri specialisti della musica. Non per fare un classifica, ma solo per ricordare i coevi a Toscanini dobbiamo nominare Furtwängler, Celibidache,Karajan, Knappertsbusch e non solo questi. Io credo che il successo di Toscanini sia in parte dovuto a sue scelte di vita, ed anche alla sua bravura.
Toscanini is the best conductor ever lived in the modern times.Precise, Brilliant, powerful, and Sharply , really the best, extraordinary performance. 100%
Toscanini was a very intelligent conductor. Zubin Mehta said that an orchestra should be conducted as if it would be a single instrument. Toscanini mastered this task with perfection.
For me this style of conducting is obsolete. Sounds like MIDI from a computer. In 1944 it was something valuable but for me it doesn't sound natural. Orchestra players are under pressure. Opressed, enslaved and humilated. No much room for human creativity and positive energy left and this is a problem. I'm glad that this style of conducting doesn't have any chance today.
@@luborkloda8903 what you say isn't correct at all. In symphonic (or opera music) the "human creativity" belongs only to the composer. The composer of "La Forza del Destino" is Giuseppe Verdi and Toscanini met him. These recordings are pieces of gold because from them we can presume how Verdi wanted them to sound. In the last years many conductors decided to stop following the "directives" of the composers in order to adapt the pieces to new music tastes. I'm not saying that this is not correct, I really don't know what is the best way to play these marterpieces today. What I know is that you cannot say that Toscanini's conduction "Opressed, enslaved and humilated" orchestra in a artistic sense (I know very well his rehearsal policy but It's different). And, especially, It is unfair to claim that that he gave "No much room for human creativity and positive energy left". It's simply not up to the musician. It's up to the conductor and his "connection" with the composer. That's it :) Of course for solo musicists is entirely another matter.
Toscanini absolutely LOOKED as a conductor should.Serious,dignified,in control.He started out playing the cellobut,as with Duke Ellinton,the orchestra was his instrument.Thank you so much for the posts.
i have so much respect for the musicians in this vid... i'm not so sure my fingers would move that fast. lol. brilliance by toscanini in holding that thing together!
I love the way that for Toscanini, less is more. He barely glances at a section for a cue and they come in with perfect precision. Gestures are dead clear with no frills. He commands incredible attention and precision from the orchestra.
Jonathan - Yes, there is ALWAYS the precision from Arturo's NBC Symphony, of it's time. I've listened-to Toscanini's recordings for a considerable time ... and I find THIS version of "Forza del Destino" a bit TOO-fast, in it's opening bars. The very ending, also, is pushed to lengths, that I still find ... a bit more than what Verdi would call-for. I've listened-to Markevitch and a few others, in this Overture, and I think that others have FOUND this Overture, in a more-relaxed, more-cohesive interpretation. Of course, there's NO denying the extraordinary Toscanini/NBC DISCIPLINE in this performance, and we're always glad to have this video excerpt of the "Toscanini way", in it's great strengths, and (sometimes) deficiencies!!
Toscanini's way is Verdi's way. Toscanini met Verdi, he knew what he had to do. How do you think any other conductor would know better than Toscanini? Specially a Russian conductor? Oh no.
The orchestra feared this man. He would torture those who made mistakes with words. But he is regardless one of the most greatest and most revered conductors of all time.
Grazia63 Arturo Toscanini il più grande direttore d'orchestra di tutti i tempi nato a Parma (citta' di origine della mia bisnonna ❤Francesca) insieme a Giuseppe Verdi di Busseto grazie a Toscanini con Verdi e a tutti grandi della musica
BREATHTAKING !!! This is the first time I've seen TOSCANINI conducting... It is like taking a Masterclass in Music from the Great One himself... FASCINATING and so PASSIONATELY BRILLIANT...
È difficile esprimere la potenza di questa, musica, contiene una, energia che me assume così se me lo consentite:ha la forza di resuscitare anche chi sta per lasciarci poiché questa mudica è racchiusa nel titolo medesimo :La Forza del Destino e Toscanini è un rigoroso Maestro. Grazie G. Verdi e grazie a Toscanini di cui l'Italia porterà sempre in alto la Terra della grande divina Musica. 🙏💙🎵
Well, in fact, it is not THAT fast... but because of the age of the recording, and the material it was recorded on, they have to accelerate the playing a little bit, because the intonation tends to lower a bit with the time... not nowadays, witht the digital recordings thou. ;)
Oeuvre grandiose que mon père chantonnait en se rasant. J'ai fait un film pour le festival du film d'amour de Mons et sur la dernière scène où on voit une femme terrorisée courir entre les tombes du cimetière car elle a vu une amie mourir sur la tombe de son petit-fils j'ai mis cette intro. Ne pouvant reproduire ce document, o m'a joué cet air au synthé avec exactement le tempo imposé par le grand Toscanini qui a respecté la suite de Fibonacci dans les premières mesures et a conduit la suite "con furia". C'est la plus belle exécution que j'aie entendue. Merci Maestro et bravo à l'orchestre et ses techniciens. Franco
There will never be another Toscanini Those broadcasts I remember those as a child riding in the car and listen to the genius a few were on television eventually also when my mother cried when he died
Con l'ouverture de La Forza del Destino, Verdi dimostra di non essere solo uno dei più grandi operisti della storia ma anche un compositore sinfonico straordinario
Many times before I saw this video conducted by Toscanini I was informed that my tempo is too fast. Some of my collegues-conductors tald me that my interpretation of musical pieces are close to those in past. When I saw this Video I believed into this statements of my collegues. My version of this Overture is close 90% to the Toscanini Version.
Oui le tempo est vif, rapide pour le dire autrement, juste ! par la perception innée et la direction sans ambages : clarté, franchise, netteté. Merveilleux Maestro. Une merveille.
Toscanini es the best conductor ever, He was, powerful, precise, disciplined, no mistakes, really sharply, With Toscanini really we learned to appreciate the meaning of Classical Music. My Father said Tosacanini was the best and really is truth. He knew how to explote the resources of the Orchestra.The Great Master Arturo Toscanini.
Il connait tous les opéras par coeur. Chaque pupitre... il le voit, l'entend. J'avoue je le découvre sur ces documents. Emouvant au possible. God bless you !
What I see in this video is a masterclass for conductors, where Toscanini shows what is right to do and what is not when is conducting . No doubts that he was a maestro and in this video his total control over the orchestra is cleared. With a minimun of energy he gets an inmense powerful sound. According tempi and tunes is the same in Karajan´s version (f minor)
simply , beautiful..i played verdi, in symphonic contest at the daytona beach music festival, a very prestigious competition..we left the judges in tears very special, and so very beautiful
Nunca he escuchado mejor interpretacion de esta pieza que Toscanini, Poderoso, Brillante, preciso. Sharply, fast, El sabia darle el toque maestro a las piezas musicales, Dificil que pudiera existir otro como Toscanini, Karajan, Stokowsky, Maazel o Muti, Furtwlangler muy buenos pero como Toscanini ninguno.
Caro Arturo, Li hai fatti correre! Awesome execution. My eyes can’t detach from his face and his hands. He was so charismatic and his hands movements are incredibly clear. Nothing to say, I just clap my hands 🙌
I would recommend you to watch the recording of one of Georg Szell's (ruclips.net/video/YlyUti7BbCY/видео.html ) rehearsals. Though true that Toscanini was a better conductor, it was often said that Szell's left hand was the most pure instrument of all on earth.
Magico. La sua bacchetta sembra, di volta in volta, prender forma di archetto, clarietto, flauto, tromba, oboe, corni e tamburi. In un solo suo sguardo si concentra e irradia un'intera 'foresta' strumentale, tutte le forme della luce e delle ombre, dei suoni e dei sussurri, i venti e le brezze, nascono e tacciono col più invisibile dei suoi gesti. Inarrivabile
Однажды, одолев крутую лестницу, зашёл Артуро Тосканини, и с этой минуты началась дружба, заставившая меня еще сильней и осознанней ,чем прежде, полюбить музыку, наслаждаться ею. С тех пор в течение ряда лет, я непременно присутствовал на его репетициях и всякий раз переживал заново ту страстную борьбу в которой выковывалось его мастерство - то самое , которое на публичных концертах представляется одновременно и волшебным, и простым. Стефан Цвейг. Вчерашний мир.
@SteveAndrewLangford - I find his "Traviata" recording unmercifully too fast, but THIS is SO appropriate for "La Forza del Destino". They just don't perform this music like this anymore. It's a whirlwind of emotional turmoil, bursting with guts and drama. The musicians must have felt like they were driving the Indy 500! I doubt whether we'll ever hear it done like this again. Bravo, Maestro!
I've never heard the "Forza" overture conducted this fast, but it's SO dramatic, so propulsive, so compelling. What a horrible pity the great maestro never recorded the opera complete. He could have had Milanov, Tucker, Warren, Pinza, etc. What a recording THAT would have been! A complete Toscanini "La Forza del Destino"! The thought of it makes my soul quake.
After hearing this, I'm not really able to listen to this overture at any other than these tempos. And considering Toscanini's background, he should be universally recognized as having the most authentic interpretation of Verdi's music.
Toscanini.. One sharp dude. He caught Verdi's idea, and did something to this beautiful piece of music which resulted in a 6 min. clip that was, is, and always will be so incredible. Simply amazing.
This is an extract of Toscanini's Internationale. If you want to listen the entire overture without any speech interfiering, you can further research on the mentioned concert/work and your desires will be met.
Wonderful "degrees of separation: My violin teacher was Andrew Galos, who was a student of Mischakoff (concert master with NCC/Toscanini, and Mischakoff a student of Leopole Aurer, who taught Misha Elman, Efrem Zimbalist, Jasha Heifetz, Tosha Seidel, Nathan Milstein, Miron Poliakin, and on & on......... I had alesson from Mishcakoff and he said I was a good violinist. I guess I was ready for heaven then.
Itv was a 16mm movie they got the tape from. the film runs at 24 fps, the Video on 25 fps, that explains the semitone sharp. It still is the greatest Verdi Overture ever conducted. Nobody could and can match Toscanini's musical approach to Verdi's music. This is the real source for inspiration.
What masterfull conducting... The brass section has a perfect balance between high and low. The attacks of the begining are so perfect that it all most scares me. The melancholi from the clarinet, and the eavil wawes from the strings right under. Verdi did a master piece.
i have played this song with the SC Youth Philharmonic. I love it and i'm about to play it for allstate. we didn't take it so fast. i wish we wil for allstate i love the piece. very well written
Toscanini was the best conductor of the all times brilliant , powerful, the tempo is perfect, it was very much connected with the orchestra, awesome, he really got the connection between the audience and the Orchestra, simple Awesome.!!!!
Pure propaganda. Toscanini is myth and mystique. He is good, if overly driven, at Verdi. He is horrible at anything German. No Melos, no innikeit. I can put up with him so long as he keeps his hands off of Beethoven, Wagner and Brahms. But to say he's "the best"? BS. Furtwangler deserves that title much more, but I could also make arguments fro Bruno Walter, Herbert von Karajan, Leonard Bernstein....and let us not forget that Arthur Nickisch lived to conduct in the 20th century, as did Gustav Mahler and Richard Strauss. All were greater conductors than Toscanini. I would argue that Carl Maria Giulini was the greatest Italian conductor of the 20th century. Now let's discuss Toscanini the man. He who terrorized his orchestras with violent tantrums. He who involved himself in cabals to chase Gustav Mahler out of the NY Phil. He who led the cabal to deny Furtwangler the Chicago Symphony post...all out of jealousy. That Toscanini, the man, was a petty little piece of crap. hence why there was only drive, only come scritto, no melos, and no innigkeit. So are there some good Toscanini recordings...yes...there are no great ones...he was not great.
@@yummyyum36719 I am not agree with you, any conductor has his own personality, Toscaninini is pure passion and very energetic his pace is fast and strong. Watch Guillermo Tell, I think the interpretation I have been heard along with Sir Thomas Beecham. Italian conductors are emotional, Germans are very focus minded and disciplined, English very elegant and talented, American conductors are very practical. French conductors passionate and elegant, Russian conductors very strong disciplined and passionate. Toscannini pace was fast, strong, passionate and no errors. Very powerful.
I think there is a strong possibility that this recording been slightly sped up. The pitch is nearly a semitone high, and also the movements have a rather unnatural twitch to them. I know that this was a common practice in recordings of this era as well. The tempo would still have been fairly quick but not quite as presto! I think this might account for the insane speed plus very high degree of accuracy!
No one can dispute that Toscanini knew what Verdi wanted, since he knew him personally and played in the premier performances of some of his works. And Verdi always wanted his tempos rushed .
la si può ascoltare anche un milione di volte, l'emozione che si prova è sempre immensa. grazie verdi, grazie toscanini
For those of us whon't knw Italian, "you can listen to it a million times, the emotion you feel is always immense. thanks greens, thanks toscanini"
Davvero!
I would say thanks Verdi not thanks greens
Toscanini not only met Verdi, he knew him well, and Verdi admired him tremendously and appreciated how well he played this music.
il più GRANDE di tutti e mai superato l'unico che riesce a farti comprendere cosa sono le emozioni dal Paradiso all'Inferno, mentre tanti altri sono solo Purgatorio
Toscanini in his youth knew Verdi personally, no one undertand his music like him
Not only knew, he played, the cello if I remember correcttly, directed by Verdi himself
WTF ! You'll never go to bed, without learning something new!
Toscanini learnt his craft at Verdi’s altar…one reason people say why Toscanini never did any Bruckner is because there is no Adagio in Verdi!!! Simplistic to be sure…but interesting…
@@indranilpoddar7195in Verdi ci sono i molti movimenti lenti
Il problema è che Toscaninin non li rispettava.
Preferiva la Cavalcata delle Walkirie.
La forza del destino ha un bellissimo lento cantabile, basta eseguirlo come previsto dall'autore.
Bruchner puoi scordartelo.
Potenza,precisione e al tempo stesso sensibilità e interpretazione immenso e unico Toscanini,dirigeva tutto a memoria senza lo spartito davanti a più di ottant'anni.
Arturo Toscanini was an in his time the world's brilliant and leading conductor. Always giving outstanding performances, precise, dynamic, exciting, powerful, melodic and pure Toscanini.
Toscanini was a perfectionist, the NBC Symphony Orchestra was established for him in the US. He gave superb performances with the BBC Symphony orchestra at the Queen's Hall London before it was destroyed in WW2.
All orchestral musicians always respected "the Maestro".
He is almost never heard these days, his recordings never played... a very great pity.
As a great follower of this outstanding conductor I should point out one great weakness. Almost all of the NBC Symphony Orchestra recordings were recorded in Studio 8 of the NBC facilities and this studio had a dead, dull accoustic which spoilt many great performances.
His interpretations of Verdi, Rossini, Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner and Elgar shown his great skill.....precision and interpretation.
He always conducted from memory and always had perfect timing and intonation.
Look up and listen to his great recordings on RUclips, Rossini La Gazza Ladre (what power, great strings), William Tell, Brahms 4th, Beethoven's symphonies,.... All great recordings.
You have to admire Toscanini...a true genius
Non vi è alcun dubbio che egli sia, senza alcuna ombra di dubbio, il più grande direttore d'orchestra della storia della musica.. Riposa in pace Arturo...e grazie.....
Affermazione molto forte che non trova riscontro tra i veri specialisti della musica. Non per fare un classifica, ma solo per ricordare i coevi a Toscanini dobbiamo nominare Furtwängler, Celibidache,Karajan, Knappertsbusch e non solo questi. Io credo che il successo di Toscanini sia in parte dovuto a sue scelte di vita, ed anche alla sua bravura.
Il più grande di tutti e mai superato
Amato Toscanini, maestro ineguagliabile, grazie
Toscanini is the best conductor ever lived in the modern times.Precise, Brilliant, powerful, and Sharply , really the best, extraordinary performance. 100%
pazzesco inimitabile tutto senza spartito fedele al compositore fino allo spasimo-grandissimo ♥
Toscanini was a very intelligent conductor.
Zubin Mehta said that an orchestra should be conducted as if it would be a single instrument. Toscanini mastered this task with perfection.
right cherubim toscanini a titan amongst conductors
Chopen tetri stesse
For me this style of conducting is obsolete. Sounds like MIDI from a computer. In 1944 it was something valuable but for me it doesn't sound natural. Orchestra players are under pressure. Opressed, enslaved and humilated. No much room for human creativity and positive energy left and this is a problem. I'm glad that this style of conducting doesn't have any chance today.
@@luborkloda8903you should see from 18th-19th century ppl's perspective. No one has that perfection
he wants the most detail from all the instrumental
@@luborkloda8903 what you say isn't correct at all. In symphonic (or opera music) the "human creativity" belongs only to the composer. The composer of "La Forza del Destino" is Giuseppe Verdi and Toscanini met him. These recordings are pieces of gold because from them we can presume how Verdi wanted them to sound. In the last years many conductors decided to stop following the "directives" of the composers in order to adapt the pieces to new music tastes. I'm not saying that this is not correct, I really don't know what is the best way to play these marterpieces today. What I know is that you cannot say that Toscanini's conduction "Opressed, enslaved and humilated" orchestra in a artistic sense (I know very well his rehearsal policy but It's different). And, especially, It is unfair to claim that that he gave "No much room for human creativity and positive energy left". It's simply not up to the musician. It's up to the conductor and his "connection" with the composer. That's it :)
Of course for solo musicists is entirely another matter.
This footage is a historical treasure
Toscanini absolutely LOOKED as a conductor should.Serious,dignified,in control.He started out playing the cellobut,as with Duke Ellinton,the orchestra was his instrument.Thank you so much for the posts.
questa musica e questa direzione sono ... l'italia!!! onore a questi grandi uomini
2:36 YESSSSS!!!! The passion and AGONY!!!!!!!!! What a conductor!!!!!
i have so much respect for the musicians in this vid... i'm not so sure my fingers would move that fast. lol. brilliance by toscanini in holding that thing together!
It's because he actually gives them a definite beat to play on.
@@woofie8647 And he gives them a definite beating if they don't play on the beat... :)
@@endreszatmari2302 LOL!!
@@endreszatmari2302 couldnt agree more
Stupefacente! Sempre senza spartito
I love the way that for Toscanini, less is more. He barely glances at a section for a cue and they come in with perfect precision. Gestures are dead clear with no frills. He commands incredible attention and precision from the orchestra.
Jonathan - Yes, there is ALWAYS the precision from Arturo's NBC Symphony, of it's time. I've listened-to Toscanini's recordings for a considerable time ... and I find THIS version of "Forza del Destino" a bit TOO-fast, in it's opening bars. The very ending, also, is pushed to lengths, that I still find ... a bit more than what Verdi would call-for. I've listened-to Markevitch and a few others, in this Overture, and I think that others have FOUND this Overture, in a more-relaxed, more-cohesive interpretation. Of course, there's NO denying the extraordinary Toscanini/NBC DISCIPLINE in this performance, and we're always glad to have this video excerpt of the "Toscanini way", in it's great strengths, and (sometimes) deficiencies!!
Toscanini's way is Verdi's way. Toscanini met Verdi, he knew what he had to do. How do you think any other conductor would know better than Toscanini? Specially a Russian conductor? Oh no.
The orchestra feared this man. He would torture those who made mistakes with words. But he is regardless one of the most greatest and most revered conductors of all time.
Grazia63 Arturo Toscanini il più grande direttore d'orchestra di tutti i tempi nato a Parma (citta' di origine della mia bisnonna ❤Francesca) insieme a Giuseppe Verdi di Busseto grazie a Toscanini con Verdi e a tutti grandi della musica
Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall sforzandos in a single bound, it's super-conductor!
BREATHTAKING !!! This is the first time I've seen TOSCANINI conducting...
It is like taking a Masterclass in Music from the Great One himself...
FASCINATING and so PASSIONATELY BRILLIANT...
È difficile esprimere la potenza di questa, musica, contiene una, energia che me assume così se me lo consentite:ha la forza di resuscitare anche chi sta per lasciarci poiché questa mudica è racchiusa nel titolo medesimo :La Forza del Destino e Toscanini è un rigoroso Maestro. Grazie G. Verdi e grazie a Toscanini di cui l'Italia porterà sempre in alto la Terra della grande divina Musica. 🙏💙🎵
As someone one said, "If you can't play it like that, you shouldn't play it all." Magnificent.
that's so fast!!! I played the 1st violin part, I would die!
Yeaa, well we Italians are a lively bunch!
Hahaha I know I can’t get over how fast those violins play
It's also possible that the stopwatch ruled the recording sessions in those days.
OH wait. this might be a concert performance,no?
Well, in fact, it is not THAT fast... but because of the age of the recording, and the material it was recorded on, they have to accelerate the playing a little bit, because the intonation tends to lower a bit with the time... not nowadays, witht the digital recordings thou. ;)
Oeuvre grandiose que mon père chantonnait en se rasant.
J'ai fait un film pour le festival du film d'amour de Mons et sur la dernière scène où on voit une femme terrorisée courir entre les tombes du cimetière car elle a vu une amie mourir sur la tombe de son petit-fils j'ai mis cette intro.
Ne pouvant reproduire ce document, o m'a joué cet air au synthé avec exactement le tempo imposé par le grand Toscanini qui a respecté la suite de Fibonacci dans les premières mesures et a conduit la suite "con furia". C'est la plus belle exécution que j'aie entendue.
Merci Maestro et bravo à l'orchestre et ses techniciens.
Franco
There will never be another Toscanini Those broadcasts I remember those as a child riding in the car and listen to the genius a few were on television eventually also when my mother cried when he died
Precise. Precision is so perfect. Thank You Maestro 🥹♥️♥️♥️.
Con l'ouverture de La Forza del Destino, Verdi dimostra di non essere solo uno dei più grandi operisti della storia ma anche un compositore sinfonico straordinario
My late father and I often discussed whether or not one person can truly change the world. Arturo Toscanini did. RIP
Mejor imposible! que grandisimo director!Perfecto!
Not too many movies were made of him conducting. Great vision of the man.
Senza parole. Ineffabile
Quite outstanding and dramatic music than any other directors.
It's really impressive.
Che Forza! Bravissimi.
Many times before I saw this video conducted by Toscanini I was informed that my tempo is too fast. Some of my collegues-conductors tald me that my interpretation of musical pieces are close to those in past. When I saw this Video I believed into this statements of my collegues. My version of this Overture is close 90% to the Toscanini Version.
Oui le tempo est vif, rapide pour le dire autrement, juste ! par la perception innée et la direction sans ambages : clarté, franchise, netteté. Merveilleux Maestro. Une merveille.
WOW! It was unbelievable! Forza is still one of my favorite overtures. A bit fast for strings at the end but BOY...did I loooove it!!
Toscanini es the best conductor ever, He was, powerful, precise, disciplined, no mistakes, really sharply, With Toscanini really we learned to appreciate the meaning of Classical Music.
My Father said Tosacanini was the best and really is truth. He knew how to explote the resources of the Orchestra.The Great Master Arturo Toscanini.
I am crying tears of joy and amazement.
Il connait tous les opéras par coeur. Chaque pupitre... il le voit, l'entend. J'avoue je le découvre sur ces documents. Emouvant au possible. God bless you !
Such an amazing combination of speed accuracy and passion. Nothing can compare to this.
Great performance and interpretation.
What I see in this video is a masterclass for conductors, where Toscanini shows what is right to do and what is not when is conducting . No doubts that he was a maestro and in this video his total control over the orchestra is cleared. With a minimun of energy he gets an inmense powerful sound. According tempi and tunes is the same in Karajan´s version (f minor)
simply , beautiful..i played verdi, in symphonic contest at the daytona beach music festival, a very prestigious competition..we left the judges in tears
very special, and so very beautiful
Stunning. No words to describe it. Masterpiece of all art and civilizations. And....will never be again
A me sembra che i tempi siano giusti. L'ascolto è agevolato e si segue bene la sublime melodia drammatica!
Nunca he escuchado mejor interpretacion de esta pieza que Toscanini, Poderoso, Brillante, preciso. Sharply, fast, El sabia darle el toque maestro a las piezas musicales, Dificil que pudiera existir otro como Toscanini, Karajan, Stokowsky, Maazel o Muti, Furtwlangler muy buenos pero como Toscanini ninguno.
Caro Arturo,
Li hai fatti correre!
Awesome execution.
My eyes can’t detach from his face and his hands. He was so charismatic and his hands movements are incredibly clear.
Nothing to say, I just clap my hands 🙌
I would recommend you to watch the recording of one of Georg Szell's (ruclips.net/video/YlyUti7BbCY/видео.html ) rehearsals. Though true that Toscanini was a better conductor, it was often said that Szell's left hand was the most pure instrument of all on earth.
Gesto,preciso, imperioso, autorevole
Magico.
La sua bacchetta sembra, di volta in volta, prender forma di archetto, clarietto, flauto, tromba, oboe, corni e tamburi.
In un solo suo sguardo si concentra e irradia un'intera 'foresta' strumentale, tutte le forme della luce e delle ombre, dei suoni e dei sussurri, i venti e le brezze, nascono e tacciono col più invisibile dei suoi gesti.
Inarrivabile
Однажды, одолев крутую лестницу, зашёл Артуро Тосканини, и с этой минуты началась дружба, заставившая меня еще сильней и осознанней ,чем прежде, полюбить музыку, наслаждаться ею. С тех пор в течение ряда лет, я непременно присутствовал на его репетициях и всякий раз переживал заново ту страстную борьбу в которой выковывалось его мастерство - то самое , которое на публичных концертах представляется одновременно и волшебным, и простым. Стефан Цвейг. Вчерашний мир.
The fact that this is 2021 nearly 2022 and im sitting hear only listening to this for the first time🧍♀
@SteveAndrewLangford - I find his "Traviata" recording unmercifully too fast, but THIS is SO appropriate for "La Forza del Destino". They just don't perform this music like this anymore. It's a whirlwind of emotional turmoil, bursting with guts and drama. The musicians must have felt like they were driving the Indy 500! I doubt whether we'll ever hear it done like this again. Bravo, Maestro!
Toscanini's conducting gives the music momentum!
So good to see a conductor give the musicians an actual beat. These days it seems more about how "unique" their baton technique is.
This is the man chosen by his peers to conduct the music at Verdi's funeral. I think we can class the the performance as "authentic".
È il primo direttore che ho conosciuto è diventato il mio mito
TOSCANINI: UN GENIO DELLA MUSICA!
Italian genius forever! the 4 greatest on the world: Toscanini, Paganini, Corelli, Claudio Villa for the romance song.
MAGNIFICENT!, MAGIC!! Thank you very much Pastroni for posting and 65attila for sending me this Amazing recording!
Even with video.. No words!
I agree with you 100%, I never saw him conduct in person, but my neighbors wife would go to New York just for his rehersahals.
I've never heard the "Forza" overture conducted this fast, but it's SO dramatic, so propulsive, so compelling. What a horrible pity the great maestro never recorded the opera complete. He could have had Milanov, Tucker, Warren, Pinza, etc. What a recording THAT would have been! A complete Toscanini "La Forza del Destino"! The thought of it makes my soul quake.
Toscanini trained Pinza.
After hearing this, I'm not really able to listen to this overture at any other than these tempos. And considering Toscanini's background, he should be universally recognized as having the most authentic interpretation of Verdi's music.
Ne hi sentite altre versioni più lente ma questa rimane la migliore
...same old Toscanini.....as usual, matchless perfection...these notes will never be played like this again....Toscanini belongs to the ages......
Toscanini senti a música de uma forma muito incrivel, descanse em Paz Toscanini
Beautiful music....thanks for posting.
L'orchestre comme un seul instrument ! Le maestro est un génie. Clarinet ! Merveilleux Toscanini... et ses orchestres
Toscanini..
One sharp dude.
He caught Verdi's idea, and did something to this beautiful piece of music which resulted in a 6 min. clip that was, is, and always will be so incredible.
Simply amazing.
Sublime Maestro,
The composer is Verdi, and its the Ouverture of La Forza del Destino. Wonderful interpretation!
Legendary!
amagnificent. Thank-you for uploading this recording. 🙂
This is an extract of Toscanini's Internationale. If you want to listen the entire overture without any speech interfiering, you can further research on the mentioned concert/work and your desires will be met.
Everything during war time was orchestrated with this kind of precision & sense of urgency.
Wonderful "degrees of separation: My violin teacher was Andrew Galos, who was a student of Mischakoff (concert master with NCC/Toscanini, and Mischakoff a student of Leopole Aurer, who taught Misha Elman, Efrem Zimbalist, Jasha Heifetz, Tosha Seidel, Nathan Milstein, Miron Poliakin, and on & on......... I had alesson from Mishcakoff and he said I was a good violinist. I guess I was ready for heaven then.
Ho un' intera collezione di dischi diretti dal Maestro. L'unica ragione per cui ho un giradischi ❤
Maravilloso
Dang.... I'm listening while reading along with my music, and i can't help but think how much faster and with more precision they play everything!!
Itv was a 16mm movie they got the tape from. the film runs at 24 fps, the Video on 25 fps, that explains the semitone sharp.
It still is the greatest Verdi Overture ever conducted.
Nobody could and can match Toscanini's musical approach to Verdi's music. This is the real source for inspiration.
What masterfull conducting...
The brass section has a perfect balance between high and low.
The attacks of the begining are so perfect that it all most scares me.
The melancholi from the clarinet, and the eavil wawes from the strings right under. Verdi did a master piece.
La mejor version de todos los tiempos
Beautiful!
i have played this song with the SC Youth Philharmonic. I love it
and i'm about to play it for allstate.
we didn't take it so fast. i wish we wil for allstate
i love the piece. very well written
He is a legend, but those recordings are also with so distinctive sound!
Toscanini was the best conductor of the all times brilliant , powerful, the tempo is perfect, it was very much connected with the orchestra, awesome, he really got the connection between the audience and the Orchestra, simple Awesome.!!!!
Pure propaganda. Toscanini is myth and mystique. He is good, if overly driven, at Verdi. He is horrible at anything German. No Melos, no innikeit. I can put up with him so long as he keeps his hands off of Beethoven, Wagner and Brahms. But to say he's "the best"? BS. Furtwangler deserves that title much more, but I could also make arguments fro Bruno Walter, Herbert von Karajan, Leonard Bernstein....and let us not forget that Arthur Nickisch lived to conduct in the 20th century, as did Gustav Mahler and Richard Strauss. All were greater conductors than Toscanini. I would argue that Carl Maria Giulini was the greatest Italian conductor of the 20th century. Now let's discuss Toscanini the man. He who terrorized his orchestras with violent tantrums. He who involved himself in cabals to chase Gustav Mahler out of the NY Phil. He who led the cabal to deny Furtwangler the Chicago Symphony post...all out of jealousy. That Toscanini, the man, was a petty little piece of crap. hence why there was only drive, only come scritto, no melos, and no innigkeit. So are there some good Toscanini recordings...yes...there are no great ones...he was not great.
@@yummyyum36719 I am not agree with you, any conductor has his own personality, Toscaninini is pure passion and very energetic his pace is fast and strong. Watch Guillermo Tell, I think the interpretation I have been heard along with Sir Thomas Beecham. Italian conductors are emotional, Germans are very focus minded and disciplined, English very elegant and talented, American conductors are very practical. French conductors passionate and elegant, Russian conductors very strong disciplined and passionate. Toscannini pace was fast, strong, passionate and no errors. Very powerful.
QUE PRECIOSA OBERTURA … REALMENTE DESTILA EL ROCÍO DEL CIELO
Toscanini meu Amor !!!!
La MUSICA che inebria!!! Evviva i GRANDI
Grande Arturo Toscanini
I think there is a strong possibility that this recording been slightly sped up. The pitch is nearly a semitone high, and also the movements have a rather unnatural twitch to them. I know that this was a common practice in recordings of this era as well.
The tempo would still have been fairly quick but not quite as presto! I think this might account for the insane speed plus very high degree of accuracy!
Maestro!
My mom used to have recordings of his conducting and you can clearly hear him humming in the background 😊
Wow!!!❤👍👍❗ Just superb...
Bravo, Toscanini !!!
Very very nice.
Impressionante. Chi osa avere dubbi sulla grandezza di Toscanini non sà cosa significhi fare la musica!
Verdi è grandissimo. Toscanini immenso....
Obsessed with this!
still gives me shiver..........