[TAS] PAL Super Mario Bros. Any% in
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- RTA Timing: 4:51.719
TAS Timing: 4:55.159
Author: electricpants
Encoder: slither
The goal of this TAS is to complete the PAL version of Super Mario Bros. as fast as possible. PAL is quite different to NTSC, as in the PAL version Mario moves faster, jumps higher, falls faster, and accelerates/decelerates much faster than in its NTSC counterpart. This makes things such as FFPG from pole inputs, a 132 xpos block clip in 4-2, the floor clip in 1-2, and the ceiling clip in 8-4 possible.
![[TAS] NES Super Mario Bros. "warpless" by HappyLee & Mars608 in 18:36.78](/img/1.gif)
Your dedication to replying to absolute idiots in the comment section is amazing.
HELP i try my best
As a casual observer of the smb speedrunning community I’m confused how I am only finding out about this TAS now. Why is this not considered THE smb TAS? For years everybody has been telling me 4:54 is the limit and even in TAS in the last 10 years only one frame has been saved, meanwhile nobody is willing to mention that the limit is multiple seconds lower on PAL. You deserve more recognition for this TAS!
honestly the main reason is that people just don't really care about the pal version LOL even i'm guilty of that, i don't have an actual pb for the pal categories
prob because pal in some parts is terribly harder than nstc as i heard
@@lu_501yeah ffpg is nearly impossible
Anyone here after the Kosmic video?
Yeah
Yep
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Yoylecake
yeah
Fun watching what is theoretically possible if all limits are removed, of course a human player could never hit this time, but the top speedrunners are doing amazing things.
great way of putting it, yeah! i think it's really fun seeing all the things tas can do in games, even if it isn't anything a human player will necessarily ever be able to do
I wouldn't put it past them. I think that the double fast acceleration was thought to be a TAS only trick too, but look at where we are now. I have a feeling that we've still got some things in the game to discover and pull off, especially with what we've discovered about the PAL version in the fact that PAL might actually be faster with the tricks we discovered in that version. Who knows?, may e someday we'll get a sub 4:50. You never know.
To just kill the Lakitu on 4-1 is nothing short of amazing
Bowser: "He'll never get me here!"
Mario, reaching Bowser in less than 5 minutes:
4:55
Just 15k views? This deserves more recognition
Your patience of replying to absolute idiots in the comment section still impresses me
Only two frames to spare in 1-2...The turnaround has to be very tight
wow cool 8-3 ffpg and wj
This is fake hes not eating pizza and drinking coke
@PerfectionReincarnatedr/wooosh
@PerfectionReincarnatedbro doesn’t get the meme
@PerfectionReincarnatedhey! You hear that? woooosh... its the sound of something going over your head, you should reach for it
@PerfectionReincarnatedwtf i took a look at your channel and ur like 7 years old 😂
Don't lie we know it's you playing cuz ur just that good
Nice tas
The days where world 8 is not surrounded by lava.
Bro this is why PAL is better
This will sound weird but, what's your favourite between PAL and NTSC version?
mmmmm that's hard to say, but like. in terms of tasing they're both pretty much equal, but in terms of actually playing the game i like ntsc better, so overall ntsc is a bit better imo. pal is still cool though
wait, how did him/her do those full flagpoles?? I today was doing some TAS tests and not getting any (maybe because Im horrible at the game and got 5h10 IN A TAS)
So which version has the theoretically fastest time? PAL or NTSC? Which one would be faster for the TAS? Which one would be faster for a human?
pal is faster for both. the only reason it isn't used in rta is because the pole inputs required to get ffpg are insanely difficult to do even 1 time (you need to do l, r, l+a, r), and the only reason it isn't on tasvideos is because it's a different game version than the one in happylee's tas and so can't obsolete it, but there aren't enough obvious differences to warrant an entirely separate branch.
@@electricpants8196 So in theory can a human perform a full flagpole glitch? If yes, perhaps the 4:53, might be humanly possible on PAL
i like cars they're cute
1:53 is that slowdown intentional?
yes, it's done to push mario 20 pixels farther to the right on the screen, which is the minimum needed to make the wrong warp possible later in the level.
Question: Is 4:53 humanly possible on the PAL version?
*gives Kosmic the middle finger*
technically yes, the no l+r tas is a low 4:52 i believe. however as i've said before the pole inputs required for ffpg are really insane. it'd be like having to do a perfect first room in 8-4 5 times (once for every level with a flagpole)
4:51 may happen (at least on the pal version)
@@SamiSaba2 unfortunately not. 4:51 is only possible using left+right inputs, which are banned in actual speedruns. the fastest time theoretically humanly possible is a low 4:52
I didn’t know that
What is the difference between PAL and NTSC that allows FPG to act more like BBG?
if i can be so honest i really don't know the exact reason why it's possible LMAO it just. is for some reason
@@electricpants8196 jump velocity (i think velocity?) Is higher so you go up higher and get higher fast, so when you do it because of the increased velocity your lower in the block and instead trigger an ffpg/full flagpole glitch
I’m gonna be “one of the absolute idiots” but what’s the different between PAL and NTSC?
dw that's totally fine! uhhh i explained somewhere else in the replies i think but tl;dr in nes times european games ran at 50 fps and north american/japanese games ran at 60 fps. so nintendo released a separate version of most nes games for europe so they played closer to how they did in north america/japan, which included smb1.
in pal smb1 mario runs and falls faster, the framerule timer is slightly changed, etc etc so that the game doesn't feel really slow
In the past, TVs and games consoles were very dependent on the electricity supply in the country they were played in.
USA and Japan uses NTSC format, designed for 110V at 60Hz, and European and Australian games use PAL format, designed for 230V at 50Hz.
PAL versions of games have a slower frame rate, and if games are poorly designed, will run worse on PAL (but not always).
The different speed does allow for some special tricks in speed running.
Apart from that, PAL releases will have more languages and other differences to NTSC, to cater for European markets.
what's the theoretical limit on PAL without FFPG? because if it's still faster than in NTSC without FFPG then it would be reasonable for people to switch to PAL
i dont think its very well documented, but the current world record (5:04 iirc) is certainly very close. so the only way to be faster than ntsc is with ffpg
and actually, even that world record does a form of ffpg in 1-1, so the limit might actually be *slower* than the current wr
such a preppy tas
Where can i play
get the nestopia emulator and an smb1 rom file. and then i think you can just drag the rom into the emulator window
bizhawk is better@@electricpants8196
Also if you look at the scene in world 8-1 at Time 245 on timer he goes through the top block phasing through a hitbox which shouldn't be possible for that pillar!
it is perfectly possible for every block in the game, i'm sure you could find plenty of other examples of that exact thing happening throughout the rest of this tas, not to mention any other tases.
@@electricpants8196 you have made a very good defence but if you look at the footage it is strange to look at
@@theretrogamer1 i mean i guess? it just takes advantage of how the game handles block collision. in the game if you're in the upper few pixels of a block while moving upwards (upper 6 pixels for pal, 5 for ntsc) the game doesn't stop mario's movement, which was designed to make corners more lenient
@@electricpants8196 yes but it looks like you fased through the first diagonal half of the block.
It was the NES, it's normal for that console.@@theretrogamer1
can someone explain how pal can beat the game 4 seconds faster than normal
the ffpgs in 1-1, 4-1, 8-1, 8-2, and 8-3
wtf was going on in 1-2?
to keep a really long explanation short, pal is much more lenient when it comes to being able to clip into the ground like that. it can be done in the ntsc version as well (check out happylee's channel for an example of that) but it is extremely precise
"4:54 is the perfect speedrun" -Bismuth. That didn't age well...
He was referring to the NTSC version.
before anyone comments this is not a r/whoosh!!!
@@DJIncendration
@@ilikecreeper331 Why are you saying that?
@@DJIncendration just in case a whoosh guy cones
@@ilikecreeper331 What do you mean by a whoosh guy?
Хорошо проходить спидраны на взломанных играх😂
the game is unmodified, it's just the pal version. on top of that this isn't a speedrun in the first place, it's a tool assisted speedrun. i'm not claiming it should go on any official leaderboard
Kosmic, is this the next video?
0:58 wait wha-
What emulator use in this video
fceux
Why was the music slightly faster but the SFX is slightly slower?
well thats PAL for you
@@xwddydfy_3 as a european,that is not how i know PAL
THIS IS FROM A PAL USER
@@thegamingchannel7110 ntsc consoles and copies of the game exist in europe at this point. this is just using the official pal version of super mario bros
@@electricpants8196 ok
1:06 bro jumped the entire level backwards lol
in my nestopia, if i switch to PAL the framerate changes from 60 to 50. and the game, music is slower. how can i simulate this run?
you need to get an actual european rom of the game.
thanks!@@electricpants8196
In 4.2 u went to tunnel and got 6 7 8 stage but we hav3 to climb on plant to get same . Hows ur worked
bismuth made a great video which explains everything about that - ruclips.net/video/U7RzoIEoSMY/видео.htmlsi=cPABtUUonOtC6foW starting at 10:36
the version he's talking about there is the ntsc version, whereas this is pal, but the concept is still the same for the 4-2 wrong warp
あなたは誰ですか？偽者
i'm not sure what you mean? this isn't like a reupload or anything
@@electricpants8196 申し訳ありませんが、ソニック アドベンチャー 2 への言及は理解できると思いました。素晴らしいビデオ
@@lucassezeequiel oh i see, sorry for the misunderstanding! thank you 😁
What does “PAL” mean?
technically pal stands for phase alternating line. but basically a lot of europe/asia/oceania has their electric grids running at 50 hz instead of 60 hz like north america/japan. which means games made in japan would run at 5/6 normal speed when played in those regions, so to "fix" that, a separate version of smb1 was made for those 50 hz regions that let it play rouuughly the same as the normal ntsc/60hz version
@@electricpants8196 and I’m guessing the alternate smb timeline you just described is faster?
@@BoinguMcGoingu yeah pal is a little bit faster. 4:51.719 vs the ntsc tas which is 4:54.032
What’s makes the full flagpole glitches possible on PAL? What change in Mario’s physics between the two versions allows it to happen? I understand just a small change in jump height allows it to happen, and is that this?
i would assume so? honestly i don't really know why it's possible on pal, all i know is that it is
Due to the fact that PAL uses 50hz AC frequency, the game effectively runs as 5/6th speed. Therefore, so make the game not feel "slow" physics values must be changed in order to compensate for the slower speed. For some values, such as Mario's walking, they can be adjusted perfectly. However jumping physics are not exactly the same as on NTSC SMB1, therefore using a specific setup it is possible to grab the flag lower than is possible in NTSC, allowing for FFPG.
4:35 1frame of lr right there
there's quite a few other times i press l+r as well in this tas
The time is goin too fast
have you. never seen footage of super mario bros before? the timer goes that fast.
@@electricpants8196 I have I do speedruns but why is the music slightly faster?
@@theretrogamer1 basically because pal runs at 50 fps, game physics had to be altered to roughly match those seen in the ntsc version. the music was sped up slightly too much, while the sound effects weren't sped up enough, which is why the music sounds higher pitched and is faster, while the sound effects are lower pitched and more drawn out
@@electricpants8196 ok
@@electricpants8196 I also managed to beat your time for the first level