What Vets Don't Tell You About Dog Food
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What do you recommend for people that don't live in the UK?
I believe Benevo and V-Dog are vegan pet food brands that deliver outside of the UK, and hopefully Omni will at some point in the future!
@@davidramms Got you, thanks. Yeah, it would be great if Omni did because you and Earthling Ed both advocate for them.
Averaging about 3 thousand views per video...... are you giving your channel vegan cat food? hahaha
Not surprising that the same way that doctors are usually not to be trusted to give good nutritional advice for us, vets are often not specialised in optimal nutrition for our companions. And it's all about money. Thank you for this important video!!
I get told almost every day that I'm "cruel" to my dogs because I feed them plant based -- these trolls don't care about the animals fed to companion animals.. 😑
They’ll say you’re cruel if you do, and they’ll say you’re inconsistent if you don’t. But the real hypocrites are them themselves.
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q everything is true at the same time. they don't care at all, but care what we do. hypocrites. u r inconsistent if u don't, also true. and the last one you are cruel if you do.. yes. you are indeed. u know what the solution is? stop owning pets. especially carnivorus or omnivorus pets, but pets in general is the way to go. why do so many vegans want to OWN an animal. i don't get it. for me, this goes hard against veganism.
Pets. You own pets.
@@bobhill4364 are you so bothered that I call them companion animals?? 🤣
@@bobhill4364 Your exploitation of animals is a lot worse. The fact that you even get online to promote animal exploitation demonstrates that you have zero standing over a vegan with a companion animal.
People who complained that dogs are not supposed to have plant-based food are usually the people who are pushing the meat and dairy Industries agenda. It's all about profit for them.
Yes. Like veganism is profit for vegan industry
@@snehilkankran5492 don't spread misinformation please. Veganism is not the definition you said. Veganism is stopping the exploitation and cruelty to animals. Be truthful if you're going to comment.
And doing these videos is all about profit and publicity for him
@@christophermitchell7414 you really are closed minded aren't you? How do you expect someone to get the truth out if they don't go on social media? Think before you comment.
@@Rescue127 they only do it to line there pockets that’s all they wouldn’t do it if there was nothing in it for them they break into peoples property cause misery for innocent hard working people and they do it for no reason than there own personal gain and publicity they wouldn’t do it otherwise
So glad you did a video on this. It’s surprising how many “vegans” on vegan Facebook groups will condemn those that feed their companion animals a plant based diet. I feel like I’m making the same arguments that I would be making with your everyday run of the mill carnists. Love your work as always David.
The amount of vegans that just start repeating carnist talking points when this topic comes up is frustrating.
The problem is pet ownership.
@@barbaraibiel If you mean breeding and purchasing of animals as commodities, I agree. I think adopting and taking guardianship of animals that need it is a good thing, as long as you can do so without exploiting other animals in the process.
@@barbaraibiel But I don't own my cat, I'm her guardian. Several years ago I was relieved when I could not "force" her to eat canned vegan cat food, I tried 3 different brands for 2 weeks then gave up. I could have risked her getting very painful urinary tract stones from the alkaline diet. I ended up switching to boxed dehydrated human grade non-plant-based which saved her life and she's been thriving ever since. I'm the vegan, she's not.
@@Empathy4Animals411 Legally, she is your property. Yeah, I tried feeing my cats vegan cat food, and I had the same experience. My cats did not even recognize it as food. Cats have a strong sense of smell, and so you cannot fool them. I don't think that it has to human grade animal-based food. When cats hunt, they eat the whole animal. So, giving them food made of slaughterhouse by-products is ok in my opinion.
@@barbaraibiel I don't know what area you're in, but look for human-grade dehydrated NON-plant-based food for cats (I don't want to list the brand name but initials HK) An herbalist told me to get my cat off all canned food (she had a cough and horrible back sores from being given many toxic shots before I adopted her) -- and that's what I found. I swear in 7 years she has not aged one bit, she's now 10! She's so happy and we play 3 times a day, running up stairs, etc., never once turned down her food (I feed small portions throughout the day like snacks, she also loves avocados and sunflower butter and 1 cooked egg a day my friend with rescued hens gives me)
My sister had a young dog that she adopted from a shelter, and she (the dog, not the sister) just didn't want to eat. My sister tried several high-end dog food options, but Bella was not interested and it was a struggle to get her to keep any weight on. Since sis was vegan, I talked to her about doing a vegetarian diet, so she started making vegan and vegetarian food at home (sometimes using eggs from a neighbor when available), and Bella LOVED it! So did her other dog. They went crazy when she was making their food. Both of the dogs thrived on her homemade veg dog food and treats, which was great for the humans as well since we were all vegan. That being said, don't trust vets or doctors anymore unless you know for sure that they are not corporate owned and not brainwashed by the global cult.
Great video David fair play to you. It's amazing what over the top reactions you receive by simply informing people that various companion animals can thrive on nutritionally sufficient plant based foods.🌱🌅☘️
Thank you. The backlash is thick and fast, but you can understand why when there’s this much propaganda.
I hope my video helps get valuable information out in the open.
@@davidramms David, I do hope you know the difference between omnivore dogs who can thrive on plant-based and carnivore cats with COMPLETELY different physiologies that are just like lions requiring acidic diets.. Humans are vegan, not cats.
I don't have an animal companion, but if i did as a vegan i'd give them plant based animal free food .
Mate, that’s sad
@@J276 why is that , when it's been proven that cats and dogs can live perfectly well on a plant based diet .
@@martinkevin4827 Because you never even owned a cat or a dog. So how would you know if your animal companion would live well if you never even owned a pet?
@@martinkevin4827 So how would you know if a dog or a cat can live on a plant based lifestyle if you have never even owned a dog or a cat in your entire life?
I had an animal companion when i was a vegetarian, now as a vegan i don't .
Again,it's been proven that cats and dogs can live perfectly well on a plant based diet....Google it . And read the comments on this thread from vegans and you'll see how they feed their companion animals with a plant based diet .
I have had 5 vegan dogs over the past 23 years, I do this because dogs do well on a plant-based diet, and I do it for ethical reasons, I am against the animal abuse and exploitation in modern farming. I currently have two vegan dogs one who is 16 years old. They all thrive, are healthy, happy and live a long time eating this way.
I want to switch our family cat to vegan food but need to know more about how
David, I appreciate how you only put dogs in the title -- they are omnivores. But very disappointed that you lump obligate carnivore cats in with them. No studies have been for more than a year and it was vegetarian study, not vegan. Watch Colleen Patrick-Goudreau of Free From Harm's video about how her 2 cats got very sick on the "vegan" cat food. Most cats won't even touch it.
Domesticated cats aren't obligate carnivores. They aren't obligate anything, in fact. At the most they are just obligate taurine-ivores, or taurine & B12-ivores. There's nothing magical in meat that they need. They just need the nutrition, wherever it comes from. And vegans certainly aren't obligated to keep them, or keep them alive beyond how long they would survive in nature.
@@jonahwhale9047 Everything you said is incorrect, you obviously know nothing about cats. Let's see you thrive on nothing but synthetic supplement drugs. Not willing to do that experiment are you?
@dominionthemovieisreality1181 I admire Colleen Patrick and a few years ago I saw her video about My cats are Not vegan, Here's why - it was sad because she was trying to do the right thing but made her 2 cats sick. She was smart to realize it before too late.
Thanks David, I hadn't realised how much the pet food industry was driving animal agriculture 😢 And it's shameful how many vets are not only meat eaters, but dismissive of veganism. Thankfully there are some great vegan vets out there, but animal ag are really pushing back!
Our 3 doggos love Omni and are thriving on it, no need to harm other animals for our companions. Great video, very informative 🙌💚
It’s truly shocking isn’t it.
Fortunately we are seeing more vets changing every day, and I’m sure more will see through the corruption and misinformation as we move forward!
I’m sorry, but cats simply can’t thrive well with vegan diet; since cats are carnivores and used to hunting. Just look at their teeth; they are meant for eating meat. I understand your values but then just get a bunnie if you want a fully vegan pet.
I agree. My cat wouldn't touch the vegan food & I could never have forgiven myself if/when she got sick from it. I switched her to dehydrated human grade non-plant based for several years and she hasn't aged a day since.
@@Empathy4Animals411 As a vegan, why would you be unnaturally prolonging the life of a carnivorous animals who will eat about 90kg or 300 other animals each year? Or am I mistaken, & you don't claim to be vegan?
What are you talking about? Never has any vet told me what to feed my cats. The biggest problem with vets is that they advocate for castration (spay/neuter). Hormones are necessary for optimum physical health and mental well-being. There are humane alternatives to castration (spay/neuter): vasectomy and ovary-sparing spay. But of course, you would not dare to make a video about that.
Seriously, are you still obsessing about cats' hairy bollocks? This is becoming Freudian in nature. Most vets have selections for specialist pet food for sale. All vets will give advice on specialist foods for specialist conditions. They get trained to, it's part of their job to do so &, yes, it's becoming commercially incentivized. Have you read any of the scientific papers I mentioned regarding the clinical findings relating to different neutering procedures? Science disagrees with you. Vegan ethics too.
I sadly don't have any pets currently, though there are cats on my property. I'm not a cat person but greatful to them to keep the rodents in check. At the end of the day you can argue what humans are, but dogs and cats are predatory species.
David, what about lab grown meat for cats? There's no killing involved?
That's what I'm holding out for. People are healthy vegans, not cats!
@@dominionthemovieisreality1181 yes i would LOVE to see lab grown meat for cats. its not easy to keep cats healthy on a vegan diet as much as i would like to, especially when they have additional health issues like needing specialised kidney or non-allergenic foods. it would be amazing to have a way to feed them and keep them healthy without harming more animals.
Everything you said about vets applies to doctors
apart from eating their patients
Ah, vets - the only docs who eat their patients!
Our ACD is 100% plant based 🐺🥦🥦🥕🥕🌽
I’ve been thinking about the ethics of pet food a lot lately
I love that comment: Vets are the only doctors who eat their patients.
True Story !! : i have just finished watching 4 different stray & shelter cat adoption stories !!! , then suddenly thought : what have you been up to lately , cause i have not seen any uploads from you in a while , and started also wondering if you had any cats or dogs at at home ?!
And to my pleasant surprise it turns out not only you do have little fur babies at home , but you were also making a very eye opening exposé of pet food companies influence on vets !!! for the rest of us to watch & digest !!! 👍👍👋
Dumbledoor talking to Tom Riddle at the orphanage, but in real life the future Voldermort from Harry Pottrt he’s talking to “I hear voices they whisper things… I can make people hurt if I want”
Cliff is the Dumbledoor of animal rights and Joey Carbstrong is his Harry Potter who sacrificed his life to save his friends and Tarrion Partridge is Hermione Granger the cleverest witch of her age and David Ramms is Ron Weasley, dedicated friend to Joey Carbstrong team
“Don’t pity the dead Harry pity the living and above all those who live without love”
Most wet cat and dog food has very little meat in anyway, Felix has 4% meat... So giving your pet a vegan diet really isn't that different
Much or all of that meat is actually byproduct.......so no additional animals are being killed to make many meat based commercial cat food for example.
My cat is severely allergic to the aluminum in cans. Kibble is loaded with preservatives and no water content. My cat's life was saved when I switched to a boxed dehydrated human grade non-plant based formula several years ago. Many cats won't even touch the vegan cat food, as mine had trying 3 different brands of canned vegan cat food. It was very fortunate as I would never have figured out it was the aluminum that was causing such problems.
I'm vegan, my obligate carnivore cat isn't. But if I had a dog he would definitely be plant-based -- they're omnivores.
I just want to correct you because if we don't have the correct facts, then our arguments can be written off by carnists...
They contain more than 4% animal products (the implication behind most people saying this being that 96% of the food is plant based). The 4% is the listed animal (e.g. Beef, Chicken). So a beef flavour would be say, 4% beef, the rest being made from a combination of different animal parts (derivatives) and vegetable proteins, and water, which makes up a large proportion of it.
Also, empathy4animals... Aluminium cans don't actually come into contact with food. All our cans are lined with a thin polymer layer (PVC, BPA etc)
Ah ok... Surprising enough I got that info from the Felix website... How strange that they would mislead us 😂😂@@MattCooperKay
Dogs are totally fine with plant-based. But Warning to those with cats: Unless you are keeping strict tabs on how often your cat urinates, and checking the color of your cat’s urine (the stones can cause it to become tinged with blood), then you probably won’t notice the signs of these problems until too late. Urinary problems are very painful for your cat. With male cats, urinary stones and crystals can actually block the urethra and prevent urination, leading to death. Veterinary intervention is expensive. Expect to pay at least $1000 for surgery to remove the stones. Why would you do this to your cat?
Can you please share the study that showed this?
I did experience blood in my cat's urine when he was on only vegan dry food for several months. My vet friend says this has a lot to do with having enough moisture in their diet. We need more education on this topic and more affordable vegan wet food for cats!
@@alisiademi I am NOT going to experiment with the life of my beloved cat, like other vegans are doing here. She is my responsibility and it doesn't make me any less vegan that I love her enough to want her to be happy and thrive. I feed her only dehydrated/boxed human grade NOT-plant-based food, you add the water back in with zero cans or kibble. She has been thriving for several years on it and we never go to vet. You need to just wait for the lab meat to come out and look for the dehydrated until then.
@@madelynbingham4128 Search for the words Vegan Diets and Cats - Vegan Outreach, the article by Armaiti May lists studies with all these warnings. And this is from a vet calling herself "the vegan vet" (but for DOGS, not cats) Note -- the CEO of Evolution Diet, Eric Weisman, is a liar, cited twice for quality control, who lumps cats in with [omnivore] dogs with no proof of claims.
@@Empathy4Animals411 You are doing the wise thing, does not make you any less vegan caring for your companion.. Physiologically cats are just like lions - not humans or dogs.
Feed the plant based🙏🐶🫂🐱
Excellent. I feed my own dog and have done for 6 years a plant-based diet. The vegan dog food is way healthier than it's meat counterpart, and mine (and others that I know) dogs are thriving.
I would give the dog home-made meals of lentils, rice and vegetables along with the canned food, as it shouldn't be sole diet (just like humans only eating processed) That particular brand also contains 17 synthetic vitamins that store up in the liver like drugs so be careful - you don't need that with real food.
@@harveyplantharvester1502 Have you heard of anemia? or malnutrition? please feed your obligate carnivore pets animal foods or your sabotaging their way of getting bioavailable vitamins & minerals.
Thank you for this timely video David, i've been wondering if vegan/vegetarian food could suffice for dogs and this video answered that question for me! That number of creatures being slaughtered for pet food is sad. As soon as you said that vets are mostly eating meat diets too i realized what was holding me back ... wrong source of truth 😵💫 i'm curious to see how switching will impact my dog! He's been having poor stool lately and a case of perianal fistula that we're getting meds for. Hope the switch can ease his tummy as he recovers!
Love the point about "What if Coca Cola owned the hospitals"... just insane to think what we're doing to our companion animals & the millions of farmed animals we kill unnecessarily to feed them. Can't believe vegan dog food isn't a bigger thing tbh. I know I'm a bit biased, but still...!
I decided to go vegan less than a month ago, but im just not sure about taking nutrition advice from a youtuber, hell even my doctor thought i was crazy for getting a blood test because a youtuber told me too.
@JeremyCioppa thank you for switching to a more animal friendly way of living
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@@JeremyCioppaThank you for taking a stand and refusing to exploit, commodify and brutalise innocent animals! You are now on the right side of history. 🌱
I reckon McDonalds own a fair percentage of hospitals.
It’s very difficult to find vegan cat food in America… There’s only a couple brands… Benevo is the one that I have been using and like, but I would like to find a canned food for them as my cats don’t do well on dry. Any suggestions for a wet cat food in the USA?
i make my own using supplements from Vecado.
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USA has at least 3 brands of Vegan Cat food. EVOLUTION DIET has both wet and dry foods. As good as Benevo for sure. When we are in the US, we use that, when in EU/UK we use Benevo. They make them in Minnesota, and we picked it up from the factory, but you can order online too.
@@animalsareherewithusnotforussupplements... Not forcing your beliefes at all
You could also soak the dry food, add a little oil. It won't be as tasty as wet food, but it still provides moisture
You are just spitting facts. This is all absolutely shocking abd well nestle has a history of evil doing for profit.
I moved my family into a home that had an existing koi pond. The fish changed my life and turned me Vegan as I watched their personalities, they helped me realize how crazy it all was to feed our pets animals that could be our pets. 😂 Anyone that thinks fish are stupid just need to spend more time with them. 🌿🌱💚
Brilliant video. Shame isn't it, what's most contextually relevant to us is what opens our eyes and ears. As I've the 11 dogmans as soon as I saw the context here I became super focused.
The pups are 2 years now, eating vegan homemade and kibble and have no issues. Their mom is eating this way 6 months longer and their dad for 6 years now.
All healthy labs full of energy and love. Thanks for helping others realise, that they don't have to have any moral conflict with themselves to have a dog or cat person in their lives.
Vegan Love Baby 💚
Vets are, ironically, members of the MOST unexpectedly speciesist profession. I'll never understand it. In my town I have yet to meet a single veterinarian who's even vegetarian, let alone vegan.
Most work with farmers, and view animal health as a way to basically allow the nonhuman animal to achieve their life's goal, which is, of course, to make money for their breeder, to give milk, to grow large enough for slaughter, etc..
I know, it’s so sad 😢
Oh how dare they not care about all species equally just like delusional vegans do, how dare they!!
Dumbledoor talking to Tom Riddle at the orphanage, but in real life the future Voldermort from Harry Pottrt he’s talking to “I hear voices they whisper things… I can make people hurt if I want”
Cliff is the Dumbledoor of animal rights and Joey Carbstrong is his Harry Potter who sacrificed his life to save his friends and Tarrion Partridge is Hermione Granger the cleverest witch of her age and David Ramms is Ron Weasley, dedicated friend to Joey Carbstrong team and Mel & Steve Luna with a gift of communicating with all animals and Neville the second chosen one to Harry Potter who killed voldermort Horcrux soul in the snake vanquishing part of his soul.
“Don’t pity the dead Harry pity the living and above all those who live without love”
The argument used against giving a cat a vegan diet is that taurine is a necessary major nutrient for cats and only found in meat. But the taurine is destroyed in the cooking process of pet food, so they have to add synthetic taurine anyway.
Have you tried giving a cat vegan food? They don' t even recognize it as food. They have a very strong sense of smell. They cannot be fooled.
I gave a cat a can of fish mixed with vegetables, guess what? The cat didnt touch the oh so appropriate and nourishing vegetables, but happily took all the pieces of fish
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq Did you even watch the video? Just because they would choose it themselves doesn't mean they have to/should eat it. Dogs would choose to eat chocolate, but it poisons them.
@@absolutezeromusicofficial comparing foods that were avalible and recognizable to them vs. man made stuff that can literally be sugar coated poison is disinegnious
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq That doesn't mean they have to eat them when the evidence proves otherwise
It's fucked to live in a corrupt society
Omni pet food for cats would work.
With my dog there is no problem. But my cat. Unfortunatly she can not eat . Short after eating she vomit. It's not because she don't like it. From time to time I give it to her as a treat
I'm scared to convert my two senior cats to a vegan diet because vet bills are so expensive and if a problem raises, I can't afford to take them to the vet all the time to try and solve it. ☹️
Thanks for this informative video. This sort of thing should be in mainstream education. So much misinformation out there.
I've actually been wanting to adopt a cat. But I haven't done it because of this very issue. I've definitely heard that dogs can thrive on a vegan diet. I'm getting some mixed messages about cats though. Are you sure plant based cats can be healthy? Is there solid research on cats? Would appreciate all tips, thank you.
There’s a person I come across occasionally on Insta who is very well informed on this topic and says that, for sure, cats can thrive on a proper plant-based diet. If checking Google Scholar for articles on the topic doesn’t glean any guidance, try jstor.
The largest study of 1,300+ cats: vegan cats are healthier than meat-eating cats. They have fewer health disorders, vet visits, and medications. -journal PLoS ONE, Prof Andrew Knight, University of Winchester
Both cats and dogs are obligate carnivores and get vitamins and minerals from animal products this is fact.
Don't adopt a solitary cat. Adopt at least two so that they will have the companionship of their own species.
@@leviahimsa I've read that study by Andrew Knight and it says nothing of the kind. You are spreading false information about cats. First of all, that was a VEGETARIAN study, not "vegan" (feeding eggs and milk) and the time spent was only 6 months to a year! Some results showed deficiencies, concluding that few of the case reports and studies even "met the standards of Evidence Based Medicine.” It warned that "those interested in 'vegetarian' companion animal diets should be aware of concerns about the nutritional adequacy of some such diets demonstrated by a number of studies over a significant number of years.”
Cats do not thrive on "vegan" food but dogs can.
So you know more than a vet that actually help animals. Just abstaining from eating meat doesn't make you a better person.
So is there a difference between dry vegan kibble and vegan fresh/wet food for dogs or am I missing something
What do you do if you live with a non vegan family member who buys non vegan dog food and treats?
There’s an outside cat that visits us…she eats blueberries, rice and beans, and nuts and grains I’ve watched her eat. Are cats picky about specifics they eat? Yes they are. But they don’t just not eat it. They WILL eat it and enjoy it (she purrs when she eats it). Best to give cats & dogs fresh food 🍲. Why give them canned food? Do you eat a lot of canned food? Would they eat this in the wild? No. Make it fresh for them. They eat all kinds of fruits and veggies and just like humans, have preferences.
David, thanks for this video!
I just had a discussion about this on Instagram, I'll refer them to those studies you cites.
Great video and great points made, David. I've been vegan for over 30 years, and have fed all of the cats and dogs in my life with scientifically designed, nutritionally complete, plant-based cat and dog foods since I first took on the responsibility of caring for them over 25 years ago.
The funny thing for me is witnessing the parallels between the critics of each of these two positions I hold. People have been telling me that I was going to die if I did not eat animal flesh for decades. And for DECADES people have been telling me that my animal companions were going to die if I did not feed them flesh. The self-assured ignorance of these people in each instance is astonishing and relentless and in each case, the positive evidence supporting the healthfulness of each position piles on year after year. Sadly, some people, and even some "vegans" are so emotionally invested in their own positions that no amount of evidence will ever sway them.
Is this a video about canine/ feline plant based diets or a long commercial for ur product? 🤔
My jack Russell terrier has home cooked vegan food twice a day and some omni vegan kibble 👍
What does that consist of? Do you think a low protein diet would help with a dog suffering from kidney failure?
@bobhill4364 I'm not sure if it would help with that to be honest, although I personally would chose home made food over comercial pet food.
Btw tried using your discount code and it didn't work ....
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Some of those brands have been known to fund vivisection experiments on animals too!
I was very sad to see that the evidence we have so far doesn't show well enough that cats can be healthy long-term on a plant-based diet.
(I agree that dogs CAN be.)
I am a cat lover for life so I fear that may be the one single source of animal products (their food) in my life forever until I stop having cats. :(
It sucks a lot but I only rescue and this does not disqualify me as a vegan.
I am vegan. My cats are not and I'm not forcing veganism on them. (At least not until much much stronger long-term scientific evidence comes along .) (Anecdotes are not scientific evidence.)
Dogs shouldn't be forced into veganism to they cant absorb any vitamins & minerals from plant matter. They'll develop metabolic issues, neurological issues, gastrointestinal issues, autoimmune issues, dental issues, and nutritional deficiency issues etc if fed vegan.
Thank you for saying this. All pf a sudden this topic is popping up on social media in vegan circles and I'm absolutely disgusted by the backlash I've gotten. I rescue cats off the streets, I've done almost 100 so far and I run a mini sanctuary in my home. I'm disgusted that when I try to argue this point to vegans on social media I am called a "nonvegan" and "animal abuser." I have dedicated my life to animals in every way, I physically rescue them and save their lives and I'm incredibly active in vegan outreach and activism, and yet, I have to walk on eggshells around my "community" because most of them I'm realizing are a disgusting form of radical that will cancel their own people without considering any nuance or context.
Dogs shouldn't be forced into veganism to they cant absorb any vitamins & minerals from plant matter. They'll develop metabolic issues, neurological issues, gastrointestinal issues, autoimmune issues, dental issues, and nutritional deficiency issues etc if fed vegan.
My comment keeps getting deleted apparently I can't have a different opinion... Dogs shouldn't be forced into veganism to they cant absorb any vitamins & minerals from plant matter. They'll develop metabolic issues, neurological issues, gastrointestinal issues, autoimmune issues, dental issues, and nutritional deficiency issues etc if fed vegan.
@@csrxmyedits Let me guess ... you feel precisely the same about humans being forced to eat a vegan diet? Can you link to any scientific papers that have proven this happens? It's basically the same argument that paleo & carnivores dieters use about human veganism.
About the pet food industry I disagree with you. If people would start to ask more and more for plant based food, Mars, Nestle ... would jump on the waggon. To sell plant base food would get them more profit. At least at the beginning they could sell it a little bit above the price of meat-based food.
The problem they still have about that people associate plant based food with cruelty
I am a kid and only vegan in my family i think so that i am better than at least 40 per cent vegans out there in debating still i am unable to make my family go vegan we have a dog too who eats animal based food and in my region plant based dog food costs 3 times animal based food my parents are not gonna accept it😢
I’m 52 years of age and I became a vegan five years ago at the age of 47. There’s no way I’m going back to exploiting animals. Unfortunately, however, I’m the opposite to you, as probably 60% of vegans out there are better at sticking up for the animals than I am. 🌱🙇🏻♂️
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q sir i said debating ,i have not met any vegan in real life so what i said can be wrong too
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q sir i never met people who are already vegan in real life i only know those whom i help begin their journeys so that can be wrong i just wanted to express how much efforts i put ,still my parent don’t agree a bit
Thank you
Wow I didn’t know about Mars and Nestle! It’s just all so corrupt!
amino acids are the same where ever they come from
Yeah, tell that to a cat!
Be careful what you comment. My cat child was on a plant based diet for 9 months to a year before he began having a urinary problem and had to be taken off. David is NOT a veterinarian and cannot give professional advice. This is not what I dislike, but what I hate about some vegans.
@@TailgateActivism I am a vegan, and I agree with you. However, I disagree with calling a cat, a child, unless he is a kitten. That is very disrespectful.
@@TailgateActivism I am very disappointed in David that he's lumping cats in with dogs. This diet is not acidic enough for cats and they will experience urinary problems sooner or later. My cat refused to even touch 3 different brands of canned vegan cat food and I was actually relieved. I could never live with myself if I was the cause of any illness. (I highly recommend dehydrated [non-plant based] where you add the water back in -- not cans or kibble - my cat is THRIVING, not just surviving.
@@Empathy4Animals411 Yes, it is a little more tricky when it comes to a cat's dietary needs for sure. For dogs it is different and less requirement. I had to check my cat's Ph levels every week to make sure that everything was okay.
Love this type of content. Very important info.
Thank you, more to come!
Not surprising as pharmaceutical companies help to finance medical schools in various countries and in the mandatory Continuing Medical Education that physicians need to have to keep their licences. Good places to 'educate' them on their products.
They do it in human populations why wouldn’t they do it to the lesser powerful creatures
Still better than vegan pet food for dogs or cats.
My friend at Uni doing a social work degree fed her 2 beautiful sleek black dogs a plant based diet. They were called Digger and Luna! Fond memories ! J.
Oh wow, that's sad that these big companies that are already terrible and make a lot of not very nutritional food for people are also the companies that funds veterinary clinics and education.
Its already hard for people to accept that plant based diets are very good for people, so its definitely an uphill battle for animals like cats and dogs. Most doctors are not educated in nutrition.
I just have pet mice and they can thrive on plant based diets, similarly to people.
Great video m8
Thanks!
Ah yes, the "obligate carnivore" lie.
What do you call an animal that can't digest vegetal biomass then?%
i literally created an entire resource hub dedicated to this topic around 5 years ago... thanks so much Dave
Great video, it's true that the ingredients on dog food bag labels are more often than not unhealthy and inflammatory. I give my dogs premium ground beef and chicken once a day and they are fit as fiddles. I was able to save a fortune on vet bills simply by changing their food because the kibble would give them allergic reactions, leading to fur loss and hives on their body.
The video is about animal ethics, not health addressing the problems of raising & taking the lives of 100+ other animals just to feed your one, & the environmental impacts of that. An average dog eats as much meat as an average European human &, therefore, has as much impact on the eenvironment & other species. Changing to a vegan formula can reduce that to a fraction.
@@jonahwhale9047 Thanks for your reply, but I disagree. Dogs are natural omnivores, and my dogs' health drastically improved after switching from kibble to a meat-based diet. Their well-being is my top priority. While some dogs may thrive on a vegan diet, there are potential risks, including nutritional deficiencies. Dogs need essential nutrients like taurine, vitamin B12, and high-quality protein that are primarily found in animal products. Vegan diets don't provide these without careful supplementation, and deficiencies can lead to serious health issues. Moreover, not all dogs respond well to vegan diets. Some may experience digestive issues, and it can be challenging to ensure the food is palatable and meets their energy needs. Regarding climate change, global warming is a natural process the Earth undergoes every 30-40 years. The notion that eating meat significantly contributes to global warming is misleading. The environmental impact of meat consumption is often exaggerated and should not be used to justify forcing dogs to go vegan. We wouldn't expect a lion to stop eating gazelles or a shark to avoid fish, so why should my dogs abandon their natural diet?Addressing climate change requires comprehensive solutions, not just altering pet diets. I appreciate the conversation, but my focus remains on what keeps my pets healthy and happy.
@@lightningpower927 But dogs are "natural" at all, so a naturalistic fallacy doesn't work. If you want a "natural" dog, try living with a hyena, wolf or African wild dog. Just remember, you're part of their natural diet too. There's no such thing as "high-quality protein". Proteins are just proteins & neither we, nor they, actually need them. What we need are the amino acids they provide.
Taurine is not considered an essential amino acid for dogs, but commercial dog foods are also fortified with it. B12 does not come animal sources, it comes from bacteria, even in animals (it's fermented by bacterian in their warm feces).
The rest, including the climate crises denial, is just typical copy & paste carnivore/paleo arguments ... &, quite frankly, brainless when it comes to the problem of pets.
Why? Think it through ... if everyone has a cat or dog, it is equivalent to doubling the human population. Double the population, double the pollution. Cut the pollution from pet food, or indeed owning pets full stop, means cutting the amount of pollution an equivalent amount.
There's no arguing agains that.
You're really just looking for excuse for YOU to carrying on eating meat, by making up stories & defending your dog's right to do so.
@@lightningpower927 The environmental impact of meat consumption is an inarguable slam-dunk & applies as much to dogs & cats as it does humans. Probably even moreso ethically as there is largely absolutely no real reason to have one.
If you need something to stroke at night in bed, buy a cuddly toy not a living animal.
@@jonahwhale9047 While dogs are domesticated, they are biologically evolved as omnivores with a natural inclination toward meat. Their digestive systems are designed to benefit from animal proteins, which are essential for their health. The term "high-quality protein" refers to sources that provide a complete amino acid profile, crucial for both humans and animals to maintain muscle mass, energy levels, and overall health. Although taurine isn’t classified as essential, it is vital for the well-being of certain dog breeds, and vitamin B12, while originating from bacteria, is most readily absorbed from animal products. As for environmental concerns, while pet ownership contributes to resource use, the idea that it significantly impacts global overheating is misleading. Climate change is a complex issue that doesn't hinge on pet diets.
And thank you so much for doing this video!!!!
vegan dogfood? Please make notes about your dogs health, as this will prove useful when you are suing later.
Dogs are carnivores.. and there are so many nutrients that are missing ( and are probably added in synthetic form) to these vegan feeds.
And it is not just about the nutrient in itself, but how bioavailable it is. It doen matter how much ther is of any given nutrient, if it is not possible for the dog to utilize it.
Meatproteins are complete, plantproteins are not, and so on.
Real life Harry Potter team
I'm craving for some juicy steak. I think I'll cook some tomorrow. 🥩
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great topic, and thank you for sharing all that info on what is really going on in this industry. I had no idea the number of animals killed for pigs was as high as that 😢. Fantastic that there are healthy vegan alternatives now available. I also see that in the UK, approval has just been given to use cultured meat in pet food. Will be interesting to see how that goes. Oh, and a question please: I don’t want to insult beautiful Ziggy the pig, he seems gorgeous, but those aren’t nipples on “his” belly are they?! 🤪
Thank you for watching. The lies and propaganda for profit truly is shocking, and all the poor animals that die as a result of it, heartbreaking.
To answer your question about Ziggy the piglet - Both male and female pigs have nipples but interestingly the males tend to have more than the females!
thanks for educating about this 💚💚
Well Said David. J
DAVID I JUST LOOKED UP OMNI CAT food, IT HAS CHICKEN IN IT, what cat food for cats are you talking about??? please respond
Read the small print, they are working with a UK cultivated meat start up (lab meat) to develop a meals for cats by carefully removing just a few cells from a single chicken egg - a process done just once - to create, in theory, billions of kilograms of genuine chicken meat. Apparently it doesn't require killing any chickens & given that chickens are going to lay eggs anyway, is it an ethical problem? I wonder if it needs to be a fertilised egg or not? I don't know.
thank you !!!! for explaining this, I just wish they could make it with 0 animal. thank you!🍀
@@reesecarr2105 There are two main "alt meat" concepts being explored at present; "lab meat", which are made from samples of real animals, & "precision fermentation", which are made yeasts/fungi/bacteria. At present, I don't know of any of the second being applied to pet food but both are multi-billion dollar investment industries.
There are ethical issues with lab meat, most isn't vegan, but in general the idea of it being used for pet food is being given a free pass because it's so much better than the current system.
In general, however, it is even more vegan just not to have pets & be against pet keeping.
@@jonahwhale9047 I have 2 rescue cats, Benivel cat food is vegan but it is DRY pellet form. thank you for responding!!🌿☘🍀🌳
@@reesecarr2105 Appreciated. I always though feeding cats dry breakfast cereal was weird animal products or not. Imagine spending your whole life eating nothing but the same dry breakfast cereal three times a day. Or even the same junk pet food as humans feed them. The entire habit of keeping other species is so fraught with ethical problems. I've seen far too many bad examples ...
Given that they are not humans, & have dietary restrictions, their welfare is the best argument in favour of lab meat. However, I'd like to ask without judgement, why you didn't rescue a mostly herbivorous animal, like a rabbit, instead.
Many vegans seem to have an irrational blind spot when it comes to cats, & I think it's a hang over from pre-vegan "animal loving" days.
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cats i seriously pissed off because his urinary issues,, makes it insanely impossible to go plant based,, and he fkin loved that food more then all the crap i ever gave him,, tried over 4 5 different animal products,, i kept having to go to fkin vet for antybiotics and painrelief if remember? cause cat peed blood on animal products not urinary specific,, and the vegan product he just couldnt pee,,,
now im slave to one of those giants hills royalcanin or purina,, and i cant decide,, doing hills but clearly his skin,, he has dandruff only happens to me when i eat a bad fat fruit or starch combination so clearly that crap is not good for him but he can pee no issues now so i feel forced,, AND THE PRICE OF THOSE BAGS ARE INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The new food Omni are developing is using lab meat, "chicken" grown from "a few cells taken from eggs". May or may not help. Just out of interested, have you tried him on a raw meat diet? Bear with me a minute ... I'm referring to day old chicks pet shops sell to snake or lizard owners. Let's be honest, it's what he would have been eating in the wild, & it's not only dietetically superior to the crap pet food manufacturers put in their junk food, it's ethically superior as at least the fowl involved aren't put through months of hell before being slaughtered.
They are all the male chicks who are slaughtered by the egg industry & die on day one.
And, on the other hand, have you considered the ethics of keeping him alive if a) he's going to suffer, & b) in the wild he would have been dead long ago due to it?
Why should 100s of healthy animals have their lives ended each year to prolong the life of one unhealthy animal?
The second question reads harsh, but I write it having watched a cat die due to kidney/urinary issues. It's not pleasant.
@fortcastlevgn2368 I believe the best food for cats - until the lab meat comes out -- is dehydrated/boxed non-plant based human grade (you add water back in) as they are obligate carnivores. Get rid of all cans and kibble. My vegan friend's 11 year old cat has thrived for 8 years on this, energetic, shiny, happy. Worry about humans being vegan, not trying to force cats. And stay far away from all vet shots.
@@harveyplantharvester1502 You keep repeating the myth that they are "obligate carnivores" ... before handing out dangerous anti-vax type advice. A friend has two rescues, "vet shots" just saved one's life, & monthly shots keeps the other alive due to some kind of autoimmune thing.
Fantastic video.
So glad more people speaking up about this issue
In my land we no have this food with a accessible cost...is possible feed animal just with vegetables? Can you guys send me some name for I searche and found a way to stop give my pet animal base food. I vegan just for make clear.
No, you cannot feed cats and dogs just vegetables. It has to be commercially produced food or else you are risking deficiencies.
@@barbaraibiel oh. Thx m8 I hope some day the dog food get more accessible in my land
@@NobodyOnInternet Feed your dog lentils, rice and vegetables -- it was what was fed to one of the world's oldest living dogs in Guinness Book of Records - the canned stuff is loaded with drug-like synthetic vitamins anyway. Dogs only -- because cats will get sick on plant-based, they're carnivores.
Great topic to address!
My plant based dog eats omni and is thriving 🤍🌱
Dogs and cats can you eat meat and vegetables, mature or shut up
My vet told me if I fed my cats vegan then RSPCA would be called for animal cruelty....!!!!😮
Never mind the cruelty taking place daily, globally to feed pets and us(except vegans of course)... WTAF ?
The vet should have told you that you'd need to bring the cat in weekly for pH testing of urine if on a plant-based diet, as he should know that cats will get urinary problems like blockage and stones. The vet could have made lots of money off you, maybe even a surgery -- not too smart.
Do you let him give your cats toxic shots?
@@harveyplantharvester1502 No "will", the could or they could not. Pets on commercial pet food get sick & die from eating that junk all of them time. So do many from entirely natural, unavoidable causes. The vet was uninformed, & bullshtting. It's just precisingly the same reaction as equally biased doctors had towards human vegans in the 1950s, 60s & 70s. It's early days for vet cat food but it's going to work out just fine.
I guess since we own pets we have a right to feed them whatever we want.
Well, your mentality is that you think you can have ownership over another sentient being so of course your perspective is going to be very limited.
@@Carskelly Well we are owners who are responsible and dictate the lives of these animals, right down to what and how much they are allowed to eat.
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The issue of animal based pet foods has also been coopted by the anti-vegan, pro-slaughter industry lobbies as a sort of proxy war. Just as they don't want humans going vegans, they don't want companion animals going vegan either. The debate is at about the same level as the human anti-vegan arguments were in the 1950s & 60s, & there's a lot of psychological projection going on. Animals for pet foods are a key economic factor in the profitability of the slaughter industries.
It's a $100bn dollar plus income stream for them, not just "scraps" being recycled.
Knock $100bn dollars off the slaughter industries' bottomline, & you make a big dent in it.
Thanks for this info. It’s crazy to know these candy companies own all these other brands and vet clinics. I’m newly vegan, and my sister who is a vet tech said it’s not healthy to give my cats vegan food. I believed her until this video. Thank you. We need to dispel these lies.
Thank you for watching. Please be aware that although nutritionally adequate vegan cat food shows a lot of promise, some have had issues with it and you need to monitor your cat very closely to make sure all is going well.
But dogs are absolutely thriving on vegan friendly dog food, and hopefully as we see more technological advancements in lab grown meat the situation will be just as good for cats too.
It's about the nutrients, not the ingredients.
lmfao bashing big corporations then promoting big corporations, what a sellout. No corporation can be trusted.
Hey thanks for your comment. Omni is a small startup company offering an ethical alternative to these massive corporations.
Feeding dogs and cats which are hyper and obligate carnivores a plant based diet is animal abuse.
I don't care if you have some poorly controlled weak associative studies with conflicts of interest, confounding variables, short term results and results that can't be repeated under the same conditions that can't prove causation and are heavily financially incentivised saying otherwise 😂
Don't confuse hyper carnivores with omnivores, they're completely different things. Just because dogs can tolerate plant matter to a degree doesn't mean they can primarily rely on it, seriously open a book once in a while. Dogs don't have the physiological mechanisms, digestive anatomy, digestive enzymes or gut bacteria that herbivores do and neither do cats or us for that matter. Cats can't tolerate plants at all since they're literally obligate carnivores. Feeding these animals plants will cause metabolic issues, neurological issues, musculoskeletal issues, gastrointestinal issues, autoimmune issues, dental issues, nutritional deficiency issues etc...
Seriously if you actually care about animals just get a rabbit instead.
Thanks for this video! We need more educational videos outside of the meat, dairy, egg etc industries. Those chocolate companies also use child slavery for their chocolate!!!
As a rule, they don't actually. But their sub-contractors might, in contravention to their contracts. In fact, as with mineral mining etc, when you look into, it's not even the sub-contractors who are doing, but the families themselves, i.e. parents making the kids work, or including the work of their children in their lot.
*companion animals
Did they choose human companionship? Did they have any choice in the matter?
"Rules for thee but not for me"
@@barbaraibiel point taken. pet is not accurate either. you can rescue an animal, or leave them. you could help a child, or ignore them. i picked the better word. the whole situation is made by humans. are you vegan?
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq which animals do you believe deserve respect?
@@animalsareherewithusnotforus They really are refugees of the pet trade.
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There’s an ever growing number of “Raw Feeders” … it’s disgusting. My neighbour swears by it and loves telling me how much they “love their Duck Necks!” The thought…🤢
You can buy as many day old chicks as you need. You know, the male ones who are ended by the egg industry. Pet shops sell them for snake & reptile owners. Ethically it has to be better than using adult chickens that have been through the egg & meat industry &, ultimately, it what they would be eating in nature.
@@jonahwhale9047 You’re missing the whole point my friend. “You can buy as many … as you need” The day this horrific industry is gone won’t be a day too soon.
@@veganian2019 It's not just the slaughter industry, is it? It's also the institution of pet ownership, or even the existence of domesticated species. It won't be tomorrow, so we need to work out the interim ethics based on something deeper than revulsion.
Cats and Dogs vegan 😅😂 Their vegan my ar#e lol 😂
I am trying so hard to care but I am failing
We need more access to (affordable) vegan cat and dog food in the USA! I shouldn't have to go in debt to save animals to feed my cat! I hope for change!!! (Cats really need wet food for health and evolution diet vegan wet food is 70 dollars for 12 cans!!!!! Anyone have any other brand recs?)
Didn't you say your cat already had blood in their urine from eating vegan cat food? Why are you experimenting with the life of your cat, do you think it makes you less vegan what you feed an obligate carnivore???
@@dominionthemovieisreality1181 Doesn't it make you less of vegan to repeat nonsense like "cats are obligate carnivores"? What are you even trying to say in your comment? It's coming across as kind of uncomfortably twisted. Just say what you are trying to say directly, instead of being snarky or depending in inferences. Yes, the movement needs vegan-state sponsored, non-profit, socialist vegan cat food to deal with the issue.