Building a Windsor Stroker - There's No Replacement for Displacement - Engine Power S6, E6
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2020
- There's a surefire way to make more horsepower for our Windsor, Make it a Stroker! Plus, all new dyno room - Meet Cellblock D!
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
MSC: Vectrax - 10 Inch Wide x 54 Inch Long Table, Variable Speed Pulley Control, 3 Phase Knee Milling Machine with Digital Readout (DRO)
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Noise Barriers, LLC: Dyno Cell Enclosure
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Sunnen Products Company: Dial Bore Gauge & Setting Fixture
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Sunnen Products Company: SV-15 Cylinder Honing Machine
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SuperFlow: Superflow Dynamometers
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ARP: ARP is the Official Bolt Supplier to Engine Power
Matco Tools: MATCO Tools are the Official Tool Supplier to Engine Power 
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My buddy just installed an inline catch can on his 2019 F150 ecoboost. Apparently the engine sensors become fouled quickly by oil contamination and having one of these on the vehicle helps to reduce engine maintenance. But I was wondering... if you use an oil separator with the system why can't you have the separated oil drain back into the sump? resolving the need to drain the unit manually?
Not knowing how frequently one would need to empty the oil can... I don't know if this is just a lot of work for nothing. It it normal to only have to dump the oil tank at oil changes a couple times a year? or is it more frequent than that?
And if this is a good thing, why don't car mfgs install oil breather/separator systems from the factory?
@@djdonohue the oil in the catch can will be highly acidic because of the chemicals introduced by blow by, and also likely will contain some water, so it's almost as bad an idea as draining your coolant reservoir into the oil pan. The idea behind it is to keep this junk from going back into the intake and fouling plugs while still allowing the engine to pull vaccum
Can we see a 4.6 build versus a coyote build? I hear the 4.6 can hold more boost than the coyote
@@Prestiged_peck -Makes sense. In the old days we used to run all the overflows into one (puke)tank and dump whatever was in there after a day of 1/4 mile.
I just wondered if an "Oil Separator" actually separated usable oil that could be recirculated. Guess the short answer is no.
I remember when this show used to teach you about engines. Now it's one giant infomercial for things that are unobtainable for the normal guy.
@John Johnson Most normal guys send their block to be done anyways. Stupid fucking argument.
@John Johnson Haven't you ever taken a block or heads to have them machined? Didn't you ever wonder what your green stamps were paying for??? Well, this shows everyone, including those who are new to the hobby exactly what it takes.. And they are paid by showing off automotive items. That's why they sound like salesmen most of the time.
Oh wow, they have to pay bills too? Say it ain't so!
Can't believe people complain about budget and big checkbooks when these shows come on. I'm just happy to have a drama free show that shows all aspects of engine building.....between PN and Hagerty redline rebuilds I never get bored. Always information to be absorbed.
Love me some Windsor.
Mag Dump Cleveland rocks
I've been watching these shows since the beginning and I love them I remember waiting for them to come on on the weekends when i was really young and even now I would make sure I was home or recorded it but I'm so happy to see u guys get new badass equipment because it means that you guys are still getting good ratings and will b around for a long time to come
It must be ruff to have such a huge checkbook with talent. I just want to be the guy cleaning the floors so i can play with the tools when the camera are off.
Thank you!!! Thanks PN for showing the steps for making a Stroker, dynoing it AND NOT SHOWING THE F-ING RESULTS!
Corey Rowe Happens all too often on RUclips...... it’s the definition of FAIL
When did they dyno it?
Love these builds. More Ford's at the track than ever. And more guy's switching to Ford engines than ever. And thanks to shows like this people can easily see both Ford and Mopar are just as good as Chev and in many cases a better bullet. Keep up the good work guys. And we look forward to more Blue Oval builds. Coyote please.
you think pat has enough pens?
Excellent presentation on catch can and PCV upgrade and or maintenance. 😎
Am a 17 year old teenager and I always love you’re shows I have a Sierra 1991 and I always dream some day I will build an engine for it just like the ones you guys build! Someday when I have the chance and money to do it.
Thanks fellas,enjoying the engine builds,do think you blokes could aquire a cleveland block from Tim Meyer Track Boss or an MME and stroke to 480 ci with Higgins heads from aus for a full race build
Man I'm loving the upgrades
Windsor is amazing. My father actually wheelie his 93 coupe with the 408w on the motor at the street in Compton. And then a 427w later on where AV Boyz raced and tested many times.😂 Hopefully I'll do the same.😂😂😂
That's an incredible facility they've got going there
1st old man Joe, the old man Pat.... stealing the wind from under ole Mike Galleys wings.
On a 351 it doesn't always need to be notched for a stroker. It depends on the rod and bolts used. My stock block 408 cleared fine with Eagle h beams and ARP 2000 bolts but not with the L19 bolts (heads are too big). Doesn't matter though since the block will spit the main caps out before the rod bolts even know whats going on.
I had to clearance my 408. Scat crank and rods.
*breaks down a motor that has no oil or antifreeze in it.
Been drained?
"""this can be done on an engine stand with carbide burr""" block clearance 101. steady hands, good eye and endless shop air :)
by hand was a form of art, by machine not so much, but as long as it works in the end and stays together!
My old man clearanced our 408 by hand. Took him less than 10 minutes with a DeWalt rotary tool. No budding engine builder is going to use a machine like that!
That Sunnen SV-15 is an incredible tool! One question: have you ever used the Extrude Hone process?
There's No Replacement for Displacement
That's what she said :))))
ok..love you guys. your knowledge is astounding. no more hair oil!!!!
I thought this was going to be an engine build video, not an engine dyno commercial
When are you gonna finish the Windsor stroker?
They need to make an Oil Breather/Oil Catch can that just has a small drain tube that goes down into the oil pan. Kind of like how a Turbochargers oil return like is routed. Why not do that with a breather catch can?
“Perfect practice makes perfect.”
Like the up grade of the Shop
Came here to watch a motor being modified .
I had a 2.0ltr Subaru Impreza Turbo Type R stroked to 2.1 with a switchable Syvecs ECU. It went from 320hp to 480hp. The car only weighed 1100kg and was a missile.
Why does the announcer sound like he is at WrestleMania..?
More like trying to squeeze out a turd!
How come I never see torque plates gets fastned to the block with studs when head studs will be used in the final assembly? I'd imagine bolts would distort the block more then studs.
When using a torque plate does metallurgy matter if I'm running iron heads does the torque plate have to be iron as well, same question for aluminum?
Where is the video for the top end build of this engine? I'm also building a 408 stroker.
Intriguing and informative video, did you make sure the weight plates were accurate? Cast iron can have a bit of density variation.
Neverr assume each pston is the same. Hone each cylinder and use a micrometer to match the clearance to each piston. What were the numbers?
RPM is a replacement for displacement.
Lead Sled not for torque
Depends on what you want, some of the old"small-blocks" could be turned into real screamers, if you need high speed that would work, if you need to pull from lug, that is another story.
Hey pat i got a 302 bored 0.40 over with a eagle rotating assembly with blue print heads 190 cc with a fcam what my motor a 347 or what ?
No replacement for displacement, years ago that was very true, that argument doesn't hold water anymore.
I'm amazed at how DRY the inside of that engine was during tear down.
They used brake clean.
What episode was this engine originally built in?
What does the. WCP mean on the lifter valley?
New haircut, lookin sharp.
I didnt even recognize Mike without a hat
The announcer guy with the weird voice always makes me laugh
So what was the hp difference?
Can a 351 crank fit into a low deck Windsor like the 302(5.0) after notching like you’re doing here to the 351 block?
No because the 351 has larger main bearings
A Big Bow tie the only way to test a new dyno.
I want to know why you guys don't use main girdles on the crank, I never see a build with one?
The Ford 460, stage 2 build had one.
Could of used more Windsor’s info
Thry have a whole series on the windsor
I BUILT A BLOWN 408 WITH 6200 RODS (CHEVY JOURNAL) AND SRP PISTONS-DID'T HAVE TO NOTCH ANYTHING.-STILL WAITING TO SEE WHAT THIS 408 DID
Do you guys build any performance engines that include overhead cams? Seems all your builds are pushrod engines
@Lassi Kinnunen done turbos on a Coyote motor
and also you can get big numbers on pushrods v8 rather than 4 cylinder OHC or 6 cylinder OCH and also its to expensive to build a v8 screamer
STREET RACER Is that so? I just don’t see how you can’t get more power with 32v and variable valve/cam timing.
STREET RACER i guess you’re right.. Read it a second time and understand what you mean. Well i guess if you had unlimited money Overhead cams would be the way to go i guess then right ?
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You should have used a better homing machine. You would have got a better fitting shot on the cylinders which is the most important
Mike and Ole Country Boy took some injuries on the show
Speed of the vehicle or speed of the engine ? A stroked engine generally turns slower.
Yall should build a 305 ci
jb so litt bore and stroke it to a 334 with a 3.75 crank and .030 overbore.
The quote is "there's no substitute for cubic inches"....A.J. Foyt
Turbo ! 1900 hp v6
Look at the Barra...
I can wiggle my piston inside the bore like a maraca.
Bandsaws don't work on electricity.....ya gotta feed 'em fingers.....
Or eyeballs.
@@dielauwen Kinda like wash machines....don't use electricity....they eat socks....BUT only one of a pair. That's a fact.
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Have you got nothing smaller to lift a block into the bore machine😳
Just for curious what would a flat plane crank do to HP ???
Less counterweight to spin, so rotating mass= less crank resistance... more possible rpms... higher rpms=more horsepower on a not so big engine through more aggressive gearing... one drawback is that it creates more vibration, which tends to loosen bolts that aren't properly torqued... the new corvette engine has a flat plane crank and is able to reach 8,600rpms... making more hp than the previous engine which was bigger... BUT... the low end torque isn't there like the previous engine with the crossplane crankshaft...
@@MRGF78 so some type of overhead valve is nessary to achieve the full value of the higher rpm ???
What's the latest on electrically/electronic controlled valves ?
So how much power did it make? Did I miss something?
That was a different engine. Something they rolled in to test the Dyno.
@@TickleFingers So how much did that one make? Both?? Very unsatisfying.
The carnival called, they want their Barker back. How obnoxious.
I would take a 351 Windsor or Cleveland and put it in a foxbody Mustang.
The engine is a sbc
I think the silencers stupid. I love standing outside the local engine shop hearing the engines roar on the engine dyno
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Increasing stroke increases: Piston speed, friction, rod angularity, torque,fuel consumption ,velocity of gasses, cost, and reduces reliability and life. Is it better? Depends on the application and specifications.50 cubes may not be worth the effort ,time, cost.
whats up with all the serious look/attire?
Very cool video. I'll have to show this one to my old man. On my channel we're building the same engine. But have done all the honing work by hand, it would have been nice to have that machine.... But there is something just so cool about an old guy like my dad who is old school with engine building. Would really like it if you checked out my channel! Thanks guys!
The motor in the video isnt a Windsor ita a sbc
It's just your imaginatoon running away on power stroken stroke on a kaleidoscope it turn out its a diamond ace in a making visual it's sees it's plural
an hose end fitting on one side and barbed on the other doesnt look that good. Its better an throughout or barbed on both ends.
I have a 69 cougar convertible that needs love if you guys ever want to do a charity repair car my car is available
I enjoy the vids. Can't stand the announcer. These guys are serious and deserve the same.
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I think the show is great. I hate whiners. Without shows like this there would be no cool shit for us to buy.
First view from the bahamas🙃
uh...numbers?????
I’ve seen steel and aluminum torque plates because the steel matches cast iron heads and aluminum matches aluminum heads as far as clamping forces go. Aluminum torque plate does not equally clamp as well as the steel one but it is adequate for matching aluminum heads.
How come most fasten the plates down with bolts when head studs will be used in the final build? I'd imagine bolts would twist the materials more than studs.
The narrator sounds like Macho Man Randy Savage. Ohh yeeaahhhhhhhagh
Moneys no object...... well it is on my end...
I would WAY rather know how the Windsor did on the dyno than watch you guys build a dyno cell and upgrade your dyno!!!! Then you do a catch can commercial........
Thank you!!! Thanks PN for showing the steps for making a Stroker, dynoing it AND NOT SHOWING THE F-ING RESULTS!
Why a Windsor over a Cleveland? Aren't Clevelands considered superior?
Not really.. stock yea but the aftermarket soaked up the 302 market for the foxbodys therefore the 351w fell right behind it
The UN-power Nation!!! The only people that cannot make any power with the latest toys.
Couldn't help but notice you didn't talk about removing the oil galley plugs to aid in cleaning (brushing) out any machine chips that might find their way in. In every engine shop I ever worked at that was a critical 'must do' on every teardown! I worked for four different former Pro Stock racers over the years (1984-2002) BTW; where's the dyno results on the 408 Windsor?
What were the power numbers dudes, wtf??
@Lassi Kinnunen doesn't hurt to post the results, most ppl aren't buying dyno machines..
Lower than expected.
@@dielauwen that may be, still would be nice to know, its not a big block..
If I had to guess, I'm sure that 408 made at least 500HP, probably more.
@@BarnStangz woulda been good if they posted them #s tho, right..
No replacement for displacement?
Ever hear of turbos?
Then you make a turbo engine even bigger...no replacement for displacement
Lots of knowledge but please get rid of the pocket holder SMH
Most of this video is a commercial for a million dollars in machine shop equipment. Which is stupid because shop owners don’t have time to watch Tv shows. Leave a comment in the ‘shit-talker box’ below.
God damn imperial units... Don't understand any of them.
Well, then...maybe...learn math?? If that's to hard, just stick to videos with ricers and eurotrash gettin rebuilt. Or better yet, if you really want to keep watching videos of real engines...get used to the standard system. You got some options either way.
When clearing the block for increasing the stroke why mark it. Its all Geometry no secret or mystery just dial the mill out to clear the swing same for every cylinder and you are done.
Jon Jenkins they marked it because they said u could also do it on the engine stand with a carbide bit probably on a Dremel by hand if necessary.
OMG, you stroke for torque and destroke for speed....Makes me not even willing to watch, look up rod ratio
Bore=power, stroke=torque. Short stroke, big bore engines are high revving, high power, but low torque.
How about big bore big stroke
No replacement for displacement how funny.2jz has been proving that wrong for 20 years.even if you understand the basics of motors you know you don't need big displacement funny as