Why not find an ammo that runs on 2 and just use that? Without infinite adjustment not ALL ammo will run. I think you’ll find that even with another gas block you’ll drive yourself mad trying to find a single setting that works with everything.
Lol there is truth!! I have a weird hope that I can find a combo for this to run “most” ammo on setting 2 and most ammo suppressed but I’m sure you are right!!
@@triggerbarPhD😂 ask me how I know… Also, I’d recommend shooting one round at a time to test speeds… If it locks back you know you’re not under-gassed. It was hard to tell if you were running too fast or too slow with that ammo you were having issues with. A “bolt over base”malfunction can be either.
@@triggerbarPhD From my experience muzzle velocities don’t necessarily translate to carrier speeds… it’s more projectile and powder loads. You could have the exact same velocity out of two very different grain weights and get very different carrier speeds (more gas in the system to propel the heavier bullet etc.).
Fair point but typically most guns will run all ammo on one setting but needs adjustment for suppressed or if is running dry. It’s possible I could have left it with the originally gas block (see future videos) but it does run all ammo on one setting with a better (more) adjustable gas block. That’s been proven now.
I replaced the regulator with the one that Ruger sent me. It runs better now and flawlessly on setting two with M80 ball and commercial 308 (Hornady 308 150gr interlock). Very happy. Hope you get better luck with yours soon.
Thanks and glad to hear it is working. It’s back with ruger to fix the gas key the right way (I hope) and I’m looking forward to getting back. I’m thinking it may be fine if I don’t run ammo Inc ammo! Lol.
@@bmrz38 just got word they replaced my bcg and “fixed” my regulator which could mean cleaned it per the lady at CS from Ruger. Lol. I’ll try it soon enough!
I just sent my brand new SFAR back to Ruger because it would cycle a single follow up round. Even when I was doing my research I thought the standard AR carbine buffer and spring were too light. Ruger used them as a cost saving measure, most likely.
mine has had no issues eating ammo, but it had an issue with eating the case heads. I resolve this with a heavier tubs flat wire spring in an h3 buffer to slow down the unlock time. now on setting two it ejects a little bit more of the 2:30-3:00 position instead of the 3-4:30.. but the superlative gas block will solve that. yes I know that's spending some money on a brand new rifle you shouldn't have too. but to get this liie of 308"AR" it was worth it too me. might want to note you will have to get a new gas tube if you change the gas block out to a different type. the Ruger factory gas block is a bit longer and uses a hair shorter tube... I might also add I do believe mine is what they consider a generation 2. though I have not confirmed that just for the manufacturing date but I haven't found exactly what they considered a Gen 2 manufacturing date either.
Good to hear. Yes I have a few more videos out now on what I had to do. There was a generation 2 gas regulator and I tried that while it made it slightly better it still didn’t have the rifle running the way I wanted it. In the end I put in an aero precision adjustable gas block and yes, a new gas tube as I could not get the pins out of the gas block. Easy enough to put a new tube in. After doing that (and ruger fixing my other issue with a bad gas key) it is now running how I’d like an ar-308 to run. Thanks again for the advice and sharing how your experience has been!!
I have the 20" version and it has a rifle length gas system which might be better or worse. I have run about 250 rounds through it so far with some being the 7.62x51, some American Eagle .308 ball ammo and about 25 rounds of 4 different kinds of hunting ammo. For the 7.62x51 and the American Eagle .308 it seems to prefer gas setting 3. At that setting it cycles fine. The hunting ammo, which seems to be more powerful, seems to run ok on setting 2. I think with this gun, you have to figure out which setting for which ammo. I don't think they are going to run all ammo on setting 2.
I think you are right. If you watch my other videos I’ve tried a bunch of different settings, buffer weights and now the new regulator. I think the manual even says what you are saying. Once I get mine back from Ruger with my repaired gas key, that’s for sure what I’m going to go for!! Thanks for the info!!
I was looking real hard at dropping the $$ for one of these. One of my local LGS's has one, but after watching this series, I think I'll hold off. I don't think there is anything particularly inherent to 308/7.62 that would make this finnicky any more than any other caliber currently running in the AR-15 platform. The gas system across the AR platform is rather simple and asking it to work with a lot of variation is asking a lot. Just go read forums of all the issues people run into trying to get a 300 Blk pistol to work with supersonics and subsonics with and without a suppressor. That's about as big a spread of performance difference as you're going to get. Some seem to work fine, while others have all sorts of issues. It has to be down to some sort of variance in gas port sizes, tube sizes and the internal tolerances in the BCG. Check out the "School of the American Rifle" channel, Chad covers a lot of this very well. The only thing I see that's out of the norm in the SFAR for an AR pattern is the extra vent holes in the BCG. Perhaps that is playing a part in all of this? Just a guess, who knows. One last thing, you say your gas key came loose, is it not staked? If it is, sounds like Ruger didn't do a good job at it.
Thanks so much for watching it! That’s a lot! I agree with your thoughts, I Amy be over ambitious with all the ammo types I get and try so I need to narrow that down I think to what I’d realistically shoot. 7.62 NATO and my own hand loads, which themselves can be tuned to this rifle. I’ll check those other forums and channels out, seem pretty interesting! I guess one thing I edt because maybe I was spoiled was I do have a Daniel Defense 10.5” 300 blk that runs everything suppressed, unsuppressed, supers, subs, 220 gr to 110 gr. I have heard they did it by going over gassed. But this one seems more like the ones in those other forums you described that you read, too much gas and some rounds won’t work, too little gas and some rounds won’t work, etc…. And yes per the gas key, I have a 4 minute video showing it. This is the onther difference between the AR-15 (and other 308) designs for the BCG is not only the ports but also it only has one gas key screw, curious that is what failed for me. Could be a bigger design issue? IDK. The screw was staked but I don’t believe properly. It wouldn’t come out but it turned freely. So “properly staked”? I don’t think so. Also I do have a “RUclips short “comparing the sizes of the SFAR bcg and an AR-15 bcg which you might find interesting.
I agree that 308 ammo has a wide range of power factors. But most 308 sa rifles have numerous gas settings. The agb should have like six settings, not 2. Big oversight by Ruger.
@@triggerbarPhDwhere did you get that aero gas block? I’m having problems with double feeding and extraction problems… I just bought the rifle a week ago and first time at the range and had 7-8 double feeds and ejection problems
@cristhiandoblado2257 I got my directly from aero precision but there are multiple places that sell the adjustable gas block. I do have another video “secrets to making the ruger safe reliable”. The aero adjustable gas block is .75”. But you might also call ruger and see if you have the new gas block regulator (which I’d assume you do). But might be worth a call with them before starting to modify. In the end I had to modify mine but trying to make it the least amount of work for you! 😂
@@triggerbarPhD I will try with them and if no luck I’ll probably try that aero one… It’s crazy first 10 rounds and already had 2 ejection problems.. I did 50 rounds in total with 8 ejections including double feeding
@@cristhiandoblado2257 that's really frustrating. What ammo are you running and which setting were you running it on? You maybe running Nato rounds on setting 2, which I've found don't run reliably unless on setting 3 (and sometimes not even there).
I have had Head case separation with only AMMO INC 50% of the time out of 100 rounds, only on 10mm. As for the SFAR, I know friends who have the same problem with their SFAR.. Your YT videos. They are educational & enjoy how you do the presentation ..
I’ve only used Hornady and M80 ball so far and it worked pretty good. Felt a bit over gassed on setting 3 for M80 ball. Best of luck. Don’t give up, I bet she starts running. I got the new regulator from Ruger also, because you mentioned it, so we shall see if it makes improvements. Not trying to sound like a snob, but I haven’t heard positive things about Ammo inc…ever. Your rifle just may not like that ammo. I would recommend different ammo for the reliability and function check. Just my .02
Very possible. I’ve been somewhat impressed by their 10mm offerings. Far better than federal and S&B. So it very well could be ammo. But that’s also why I want to try out a bunch. Just ran out.
The Magtec worked for me, the winchester was meh, Federal was better. If you have a chronograph, you might want to see what the differences between the higher and lower velocities have on the ejection pattern. I called ruger for a regulator, I'm having issues with the winchester with all settings. They want me to send to them instead of sending me a regulator. I'm almost tempted to install an Aero adjustable gas block because I know it's got 14 settings and I have 2 in a couple of my builds and they've worked great for me.
Another viewer did the aero one and he said it works great, if I can get close on this thing then I’m going to install the adjustable one and and be done. But… because of my gas key issue, Ruger wants me to also to send the rifle back so I’m working on that now too!
Appreciate the reporting & details you provide. It seems frustrating. I assume Ruger will work the bugs out in the coming months. If possible I would expect they will make "fixed" available to those of us who helped them beta test their new rifle. I am still on setting 3 with absolutely no issues with 308 factory & 308 reloads, ball ammo is fine also.
Thanks for that report. I doubt they’ll do anything for us, but I look forward to a gen 2. It really is so lightweight. It’s a great rifle. How is yours on setting 3? Have you put a heavier buffer in it to calm it down? Mine was ripping case heads with some ammo on setting 3 until I put an h3 buffer in.
@@triggerbarPhD No issues at all. Mostly M80. We shot 40ish 308 factory & handloads with no issues. Only very slight extractor "smear" on a few 308. 1-1.5 MOA on all 308. 1.5-2.5 MOA on M80. Over 200 rounds total. All stock parts 3-9x40 Redfield Revolution. I can't get it to go into setting 0 for hunting in a ground blind with my 12 year old. I don't want it to eject in blind. A bolt action type setting is best IMO. Thank you.
I called Ruger's customer support about these same issues. The lady on the phone told me she has never heard of any problems like this and that I should send it in. Having seen quite a few people that have sent theirs in with no improvement, I am not confident they would do anything to make it better. Add to that the dishonesty of the person I talked to on the phone, I have decided to look at some other options. Thank you for your video and the testing you have done. It gave me more direction than Ruger did lol.
I have watched another RUclipsR, here is what he said about Ruger's SFAR rifle "You the buyers, you have become Ruger's test bed for development for the company".
@@triggerbarPhD I like most gun guys, will build an AR-308 in 308W or 6.5 Creedmoor, The installed 2A barrel 18” gas port is too close to the muzzle, it is under-gas so off to the gunsmith to go mix the problem by opening up the gas port, but now over-gas an adjustable gas block installed no more problem, and I only used two types of ammunition. Ruger’s SFAR rifle is not for me! Another problem that I see, is the BCG, it is a proprietary BCG. A look further - all my guns going ten years back, all are for a serious purpose these days. The decline in our military force and size presents a big problem for the country…not enough to defend the nation. An Army veteran 12y8m18d+NG time. Vietnam War vet.
@@rudolphferdinand3634 Thanks for that and totally agree! Thanks for your service my friend!! hats off to you! And I agree on the situation...a bit scary.
I have a SFAR do not use Ammo inc ammo that stuff is bad news to the point my gun range I belong to has ban it after there 44 mag blew up using it and many other problems . .also maybe I am crazy but if you have a problem with a gun change one thing and try it not 3 things at a time , that just what I was taught . My SFAR does not like weak ammo at all . I think if you look in the manual they talk about weak ammo
Solid advice. To be clear I started with only the regulator changed. Then I went to the weights and probably should have just changed the weight but I knew at that point it was just tuning the weight to the spring. And so if I just changed the weight I’d have to redo the weight once I changed the spring but I agree 1 at a time is the way to go. I get caught up in that mistake all too often.
A guy fixed his Ruger SFAR by changing out the Ruger adj gas block with a Rifle Speed adj gas block and another guy fixed his with a Aero Precision adj gas block. Just change out the Ruger adj gas block to an aftermarket adj gas block and you will most likely be GTG. I know no one should have to do this but it seems like the only fix right now.
I did this one mine with an Aero precision adjustable gas block and it fixed all my problems. I have a few videos on it now. I’ve heard of people using a bunch of different gas blocks and they all work. Definitely something wrong with Ruger’s, even the new gen 2 gas regulator doesn’t work as well as after market ones do.
I’ve never ran a 42 spring, I liked the tubbs because it’s stiffer going back and about the same as a carbine spring going forward, in my thoughts it seemed like it would be less wear and tear if it wasn’t slamming the bolt forwards. Good luck on your endeavors, I hope you get it where you want it
@@triggerbarPhD that’s just my opinion. This from their site Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Springs are unique in the fact that their load and compression rates fluctuate significantly less than a standard buffer spring. Standard buffer spring load Bolt in battery: 7.2 lbs Bolt locked open: 16.5 lbs Standard buffer spring variation: 7.5 lbs Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Spring Bolt in battery: 11.1 lbs Bolt locked open: 15.0 lbs Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Spring variation: 3.9 lbs The Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Spring provides a more positive lock up when the bolt is in battery while providing the user with a linear pull when locking the bolt back instead of the clunky progressive feel of a standard mil spec buffer spring
@@sbranham86 that’s sounds awesome! I’ll check it out! I’m going to be sending the rifle back in to get the bcg fixed and then if it’s not working (again) I’ll go this route (and maybe if it is! 🤣)
Lol. I have spent way too much time one this. Fortunately I had yesterday off so I could shoot more. I just called Ruger about the bcg and they want the whole thing back so time to shoot other guns!!😂🤣
@trigger bar Try a carbine buffer tube, spring, and weight. I might try that. The 18" ruger AR-556 uses a Carbine buffer tube, carbine buffer weight, and a carbine spring. The SFAR is pretty much a AR15 rather than an AR10. Not sure why they went with the rifle buffer tube and rifle spring.
@@triggerbarPhD Looks like the SFAR buffer tube measures a little over 7 3/4 inches. I just ordered a .308 mil spec buffer tube that should be 8inches. I'll let you know how that goes in a couple of weeks.
@@triggerbarPhD Disregard my comment about using the AR-556 Buffer tube, spring, and weight. I did a swap and it wasn't smooth. Didn't even have to take it to the range to test it. You could just tell right off the bat.
That’s a fair point. And since after I get this worked out most likely I’ll be shooting 1-2 different varieties out it it’s probably the way to go! But the tester in me drives me to keep seeing if this thing actually can work!
It's a shame that you have to buy aftermarket parts to make a production rifle function correctly. All Ruger has to do is accept that their SFAR gas block is flawed and replace with a new system or use an aftermarket gas block. Very simple.
Which G buffer spring are you using? The Rifle or the S42 Carbine? The S42 Carbine requires the matching buffers. The Ammo Inc stuff _may_ be under-powered, not overpowered. It appears that your rifle is gas-tight now but still needs some buffer tuning for the ammo.
Great suggestion! I have the green based on another suggestion. Was going to try that as well. But maybe red or orange would be better with a lighter weight.
@@triggerbarPhD The Green may likely bind. It's a rifle length spring and works with the A5 buffer tube and a longer A5 4-weight buffer, the 308 bolt stroke requires the A5 tube length and 3-weight length buffer, creating more spring compression. The Ruger uses an Armalite/KAC buffer setup as opposed to the DPMS/AR15 tube and 2-weight buffer.
Just curious, as Ruger hasn't made any "announcements" for the new regulator W\what was the process to get the new regulator? Did you have to send the gun in or just deal request it to be sent?
I just called their support line, told them of my cycling issues and that I knew they had a new regulator and I would like them to send me one. I have heard from others that ruger made them send their gun in. I had resisted sending mine in but had to after my gas key came loose. It’s was very painless, didn’t have to use an FFL, just dropped off at a FedEx office and then was delivered to my home.
That was basically me, you can check out maybe my second or third sfar video. So I changed the buffer weights and that helped. Then I heard they are replacing the regulator and that’s what these tests were about. Didn’t expect my gas key to come loose though!
@triggerbarPhD at this point I don't even care if I have to run 7.62x51mm on gas setting 3! I would just want it to shoot quality .308 on setting 2 like the manual states. Or most ammo to quote it. Mine seems to be acting just like Brad Bunch but everything is tight ( I think?). I might try the updated gas block but if that don't fix it??? I'll probably get rid of it. I'm hundreds into it on ammo now & still haven't got a chance to zero optic & shoot for accuracy. Setting 2 when it does work is way better feeling IMO. I'll keep watching your struggle it might save me time & $$$!!!!! Thanx for the vid
Mechanical issues aside it seems the Ammo Inc stuff was crap. Running multiple types of ammo will of course end up with varying ejection patterns. To verify you should have checked the head stamps in each pile.
Ah good thought. I picked up all my brass and in general there were still some head stamps but not as deep and ripping of the case heads like I had with the previous regulator.
@@triggerbarPhD I meant the identifying head stamps on the bottom of the cases. If each pile was the same head stamp you know it's ammo related. However if all the piles had head stamps from each brand of ammo then it is a gun issue.
@@stephenurban9880 they all looked the same across piles and brands. Like I said, prior to the new regulator they looked horrible like way over pressured and deep gauges on the rims from extractor tears. These all had two stamps, but not as deep on the base (sorry for my confusion terminology, where the primer is).
@@triggerbarPhD Yes but what I am getting at is, was there only one brand in each pile or were the brands mixed in the piles. Brand is shown by the letters/numbers stamped on the base of the round (that is what a "head stamp" refers to). If piles were segregated by brand, that is due to the ammo and normal. If each pile was a mix of all the brands, there is an issue with the rifle. As it is not ejecting in a consistent pattern. Which indicates inconsistent gas flow and/or something hanging up mechanically. I could be wrong but from the video it looks like your BCG is on the dry side for lubrication. An AR10 should have its BCG sloppy with lube during its break in period. If I understand you correctly the "two stamps" on the bottom you mention are marks from the dual ejectors. The two plunger type things on the face of the rifle's bolt.
@@stephenurban9880 ahhh that makes sense. I think they were mostly in different piles and when I was shooting suppressed vs non-suppressed. As you say I need to pay more attention to which brand is where. Thank-you. I noticed some segregation but didn’t pay close enough attention to that aspect as I was checking for the ripping marks more. Will do next time and thanks for being patient with me!
At the risk of exposing my ignorance - what the heck is the gas key? Have you got any video of you actually exposing and tightening it? I'm pretty new to all of this, if you haven't already guessed that.... *Are you talking about the two screws underneath the gas regulator?
I do! The video right before this shows the loose gas key on the bolt carrier group. RUclips isn’t fond of doing modifications to guns (yes even screwing something down). I’m still learning this too. If the gas key comes loose, call ruger. It really needs to be “staked” which is locking it in place with some special tools. Mine is currently back at Ruger after I made this video to get it fully fixed. This was just temporary to see if that fixed most of my problems from my previous video, which it did. Hope this helps!!
It’s a great question and I think I remember you asking that. I don’t have much more. My uninformed and wild ass guess is that they never standardized it like they did the ar-15. We call it an ar-10 and there are like 3-5 different models all using different bolt carrier groups, buffer tubes, springs etc. that’s one reason I wanted this to work. While it deviates yet again, there are many parts of this that are shared with the ar-15 and it’s about the size and weight of the ar-15. But there are probably many other reasons!
Hi Barry, Sorry about that. I am horrible at responding sometimes. I'm with trigger bar. He about covered it IMO. I will just add that I personally have no use for adjustable gas blocks. I don't use suppressors. I completely understand why some people want them.👍👍 I personally think that if a company cannot do it properly then they need to just send it with a *properly attached non-adjustable gas block. Try to use as many gas mitigation techniques as you can as far as the shooter ingesting it🤢. If people want to supress then they can install a high quality adjustable gas block. My cmmg mk 4 is a beast, runs it all. My Windham ww-308 used to run perfect until one day it didnt.... shes gone. They are just weird and annoying imo 👍👊🦃
@@theturkeysopinion There has to be some kind of auto gas regulator. Like on a scuba tank or propane grill, the pressure will always be the same. Maybe?
I think so. Just called Ruger about the bcg and they want it back so I’ll send it back and see if they can find anything else with it and if nothing else get a new bcg.
That failure with the ammo inc was the gun being under gassed not over gassed. You then doubled down with more weight in the buffer making the problem even worse… that ammo is clearly very lightly loaded.
You are right. I missed that in the moment. Also, I’m just not going to buy ammo Inc anymore! 😂🤣. Got the rifle back from Ruger now and with decent ammo it’s running good. Still doesn’t like setting 2 with 7.62 nato much, but runs it fine on setting 3. Normal, decent 308 runs great on setting 2. They replaced the bcg and fixed the regulator on it (again?).
@@triggerbarPhD hopefully it stays running. I sent mine in as well and it seems to be running fairly well now. Some observations that could help, the SFAR seems predisposed to unlocking under excessively high pressure. Noticed some case head swipe in the video and mine had/has similar issues. I’d suggest running the heaviest buffer it will cycle with to try and get it to stop unlocking so early. Mine also doesn’t seem to like m80 spec ammo on anything but setting 3. Hope it helps.
@@brandonl8039 thanks a ton! Appreciate that feedback. I’ve definitely been down the path of running an h3. Headed back out to try different springs today!
I was thinking of buying a 20" SFAR Cabela's has in town. Is there a way to tell if it has the updated gas regulator? Or should one just buy it and have a new gun that needs repair?
I really can’t tell mine apart. If you were dead set on buying one, yes buy it and if you have problems just call ruger, describe your problems and ask for one. They may also have you send it in to them. My recommendation, if you buy one, is this seems to be really based off 308 and not 7.62 nato. Also it likes spicier rounds. Low power or 7.62 nato will struggle on setting 2 which will be the most pleasant shooting experience. The gun probably wont handle every type of ammo you put in. It seems to do well with high quality ammo though. Also, keep your boxes as you may need to send it back to ruger. Their CS was pretty good to me and had my bcg fixed and returned in 1 week total time.
Yah it’s been frustrating. I do think it’s possible as other people here have pointed out that the ammo Inc is just way underpowered. And that it was running just fine the other 308 and 7.62 ammo. But I’m the mean time I talked to ruger and they want it back so I’m sending it in and we’ll see! Thanks my friend!
I've already wasted (not including what I haven't shot yet) $1,000 on ammo. I won't go into gas money for endless trips to the range, range fees, or the time in my life that I will never get back in the last 8 months. What would it hurt for me to contact an attorney at this point?
No idea on that front. But they might say they didn’t make you test it or something lame like that. I would definitely ask them for ammo to be reimbursed if you haven’t already and see what they say!
@@triggerbarPhD bought mine in May. Been back to Ruger twice. I replaced the gas block, H3 buffer and a red buffer spring. Ejection is good but yesterday a discovered it’s breaking gas rings! I called Ruger today and they said they’d get back to me. It doesn’t end with this gun no matter how hard I try
I now have this ruger running. I put an aero precision adjustable gas block and it runs great. My go to home defense gun though is my 300 black out SBR. Love that gun and it’s reliable.
@@triggerbarPhD sounds great!! So far I changed the hand guard, CH, stock, and trigger. Haven't thought about the gas block yet 😆 I enjoy the boomer great for now until I can get a can out of jail
And now you calculate the cost of ammo fired and your hourly wage, and you could have bought a Daniel Defense 😂 But we would have missed the journey and all the great vids.
I was about to post something similar. Ruger should send TBP and TTO several thousand rounds of 308/762, or several thousand dollars for all their beta testing. At least my Ruger 10/22 works well.
No. I just tightened the gas key and went to test it. The rifle is currently on its way back to me with a new bolt carrier group so we’ll see. Hopefully I can just pickup from this video.
You should look into the Strike Industries adjustable buffer. It works amazingly well in my SFAR. Also just to make you laugh, it’s Ruger S. F. A. R…… It’s not an sfar the way you pronounce it is goofy lol…. I’m at the part of the video where you are putting the heavy buffer in. Try the Strike Industries you won’t be disappointed. My SFAR runs perfectly. How many rounds did you run on setting 3? I see many dudes being impatient with the gas block and having the same problem as you. Have you tried to shoot it on setting 3 suppressed? When I have mine set on 3 and 2 suppressed the charging handle actually comes back with every shot. Luckily the charging handle only grazed my cheek. Put it on setting 1 and runs flawlessly. One other thing I noticed is you are almost limp shouldering the rifle and that could be causing your malfunctions…
I ran it for over 200 rounds on setting 3 before I moved to setting 2. I have over 900 total rounds through it. It’s not a break in. Also, it’s an RUclips urban legend you need to run it on setting 3 to break it in. It does not say that in the manual but many RUclipsrs have said that. I’ve talked to Ruger about it and they said that’s not a thing. Break in can occur on setting 2. Interesting about your strike industries gas block. I looked at changing mine. How did you 1) change the gas tube? It’s not a standard length as it’s shorter than a mid length and longer than a carbine. 2) does the strike fit the gas block dimples? I looked at an aero and it doesn’t fit so it wouldn’t be lined up correctly against the rib in the barrel and if I drilled two more it would be close to one of the others. Then 3) I could not get the gas tube out of the old gas block, did you do that instead of put a new one in? If so how did you get those pins out?? Thanks!
@@triggerbarPhD ah man I’m sorry, it’s the Strike Industries buffer. Not the gas block. But now that you mention that, it has me puzzled. I haven’t taken the hand guard off yet to see what you are talking about. I’m definitely going to have to check that out now. Is it starting to work better now? I’m going to do some digging and let you know.
@@70MikeMike oh thanks! I’m probably just doing something stupid and I’m a little OCD in some areas so when I see things to exactly line up I get worried. 😂🤣. Yes it’s working better. 308 on setting 2 and 7.62 on setting 3. Seems to be the what my gun likes.
@@70MikeMike oh also you should make sure your gas block is tight. The more I have read, many people have one or both of the screws loose and the gun is leaking gas. Just an FYI.
I'm sorry but you lost me on your different buffer changes and boxes of ammo along with different magazines, etc. I have the same rifle with everything from factory and with the exception of a couple of hic ups at the beginning, the rifle has been running flawless.
Why not find a ammo that works on #2 and stick with it. Seems to me all the variables you are throwing at the gun is the issue. Even my bolt guns dont like certain ammo thus i dont use said ammo. I had a semi auto shotgun once that wouldn't feed Winchester shells. Guess what?? I didn't feed it Winchester ammo after i figure it out !! My plan is to buy a ruger Sfar, find a ammo that works and stick with it. I feel it will work out just fine. I see quite a few sfar videos on the tube that have your same issue. The common denominator i seeing is throwing any ammo you have at it and throwing parts at it. In the mechanic world we call this "a hack".
If you do that you will be fine. Please watch, if you have the patience, some of my latest videos including the one where I get it finally fixed. Have a gas key come loose on the bcg, getting that fixed and the new regulator, the gun really ran great with 308 on setting 2 and 7.62 nato on setting 3. In the end I wanted more and put on an after market gas block and now it runs great on one setting which was what I wanted. But I think your plan is a good one!
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Why not find an ammo that runs on 2 and just use that? Without infinite adjustment not ALL ammo will run. I think you’ll find that even with another gas block you’ll drive yourself mad trying to find a single setting that works with everything.
Lol there is truth!! I have a weird hope that I can find a combo for this to run “most” ammo on setting 2 and most ammo suppressed but I’m sure you are right!!
@@triggerbarPhD😂 ask me how I know… Also, I’d recommend shooting one round at a time to test speeds… If it locks back you know you’re not under-gassed. It was hard to tell if you were running too fast or too slow with that ammo you were having issues with. A “bolt over base”malfunction can be either.
Good points. I’ll bring my lab radar next time and get some comparison speeds that can at least show the differences in power of the rounds.
@@triggerbarPhD From my experience muzzle velocities don’t necessarily translate to carrier speeds… it’s more projectile and powder loads. You could have the exact same velocity out of two very different grain weights and get very different carrier speeds (more gas in the system to propel the heavier bullet etc.).
Yes I was going to compare energy instead of just velocity. I think that would be a better way to compare this.
It wouldn't need a ajustable gas block if it could work witj one setting for all ammunition, thats what all the settings are for on all the gas blocks
Fair point but typically most guns will run all ammo on one setting but needs adjustment for suppressed or if is running dry. It’s possible I could have left it with the originally gas block (see future videos) but it does run all ammo on one setting with a better (more) adjustable gas block. That’s been proven now.
I replaced the regulator with the one that Ruger sent me. It runs better now and flawlessly on setting two with M80 ball and commercial 308 (Hornady 308 150gr interlock). Very happy. Hope you get better luck with yours soon.
Thanks and glad to hear it is working. It’s back with ruger to fix the gas key the right way (I hope) and I’m looking forward to getting back. I’m thinking it may be fine if I don’t run ammo Inc ammo! Lol.
@@triggerbarPhD 🙏
@@bmrz38 just got word they replaced my bcg and “fixed” my regulator which could mean cleaned it per the lady at CS from Ruger. Lol. I’ll try it soon enough!
@@triggerbarPhD fingers crossed.
What was the process to get the new regulator? Did you have to send the gun in or just deal request it to be sent?
I just sent my brand new SFAR back to Ruger because it would cycle a single follow up round. Even when I was doing my research I thought the standard AR carbine buffer and spring were too light. Ruger used them as a cost saving measure, most likely.
Agreed. Hope they fix yours!!
mine has had no issues eating ammo, but it had an issue with eating the case heads.
I resolve this with a heavier tubs flat wire spring in an h3 buffer to slow down the unlock time.
now on setting two it ejects a little bit more of the 2:30-3:00 position instead of the 3-4:30..
but the superlative gas block will solve that.
yes I know that's spending some money on a brand new rifle you shouldn't have too.
but to get this liie of 308"AR" it was worth it too me.
might want to note you will have to get a new gas tube if you change the gas block out to a different type.
the Ruger factory gas block is a bit longer and uses a hair shorter tube...
I might also add I do believe mine is what they consider a generation 2.
though I have not confirmed that just for the manufacturing date but I haven't found exactly what they considered a Gen 2 manufacturing date either.
Good to hear. Yes I have a few more videos out now on what I had to do. There was a generation 2 gas regulator and I tried that while it made it slightly better it still didn’t have the rifle running the way I wanted it. In the end I put in an aero precision adjustable gas block and yes, a new gas tube as I could not get the pins out of the gas block. Easy enough to put a new tube in. After doing that (and ruger fixing my other issue with a bad gas key) it is now running how I’d like an ar-308 to run. Thanks again for the advice and sharing how your experience has been!!
I have the 20" version and it has a rifle length gas system which might be better or worse. I have run about 250 rounds through it so far with some being the 7.62x51, some American Eagle .308 ball ammo and about 25 rounds of 4 different kinds of hunting ammo. For the 7.62x51 and the American Eagle .308 it seems to prefer gas setting 3. At that setting it cycles fine. The hunting ammo, which seems to be more powerful, seems to run ok on setting 2. I think with this gun, you have to figure out which setting for which ammo. I don't think they are going to run all ammo on setting 2.
I think you are right. If you watch my other videos I’ve tried a bunch of different settings, buffer weights and now the new regulator. I think the manual even says what you are saying. Once I get mine back from Ruger with my repaired gas key, that’s for sure what I’m going to go for!! Thanks for the info!!
Yeah, purpose of having a setting is that you adjust it based on ammo and suppressor and so on.
I was looking real hard at dropping the $$ for one of these. One of my local LGS's has one, but after watching this series, I think I'll hold off. I don't think there is anything particularly inherent to 308/7.62 that would make this finnicky any more than any other caliber currently running in the AR-15 platform. The gas system across the AR platform is rather simple and asking it to work with a lot of variation is asking a lot. Just go read forums of all the issues people run into trying to get a 300 Blk pistol to work with supersonics and subsonics with and without a suppressor. That's about as big a spread of performance difference as you're going to get. Some seem to work fine, while others have all sorts of issues. It has to be down to some sort of variance in gas port sizes, tube sizes and the internal tolerances in the BCG. Check out the "School of the American Rifle" channel, Chad covers a lot of this very well.
The only thing I see that's out of the norm in the SFAR for an AR pattern is the extra vent holes in the BCG. Perhaps that is playing a part in all of this? Just a guess, who knows.
One last thing, you say your gas key came loose, is it not staked? If it is, sounds like Ruger didn't do a good job at it.
Thanks so much for watching it! That’s a lot! I agree with your thoughts, I Amy be over ambitious with all the ammo types I get and try so I need to narrow that down I think to what I’d realistically shoot. 7.62 NATO and my own hand loads, which themselves can be tuned to this rifle. I’ll check those other forums and channels out, seem pretty interesting! I guess one thing I edt because maybe I was spoiled was I do have a Daniel Defense 10.5” 300 blk that runs everything suppressed, unsuppressed, supers, subs, 220 gr to 110 gr. I have heard they did it by going over gassed. But this one seems more like the ones in those other forums you described that you read, too much gas and some rounds won’t work, too little gas and some rounds won’t work, etc…. And yes per the gas key, I have a 4 minute video showing it. This is the onther difference between the AR-15 (and other 308) designs for the BCG is not only the ports but also it only has one gas key screw, curious that is what failed for me. Could be a bigger design issue? IDK. The screw was staked but I don’t believe properly. It wouldn’t come out but it turned freely. So “properly staked”? I don’t think so. Also I do have a “RUclips short “comparing the sizes of the SFAR bcg and an AR-15 bcg which you might find interesting.
I think I would pick up a sig 716i for a similar price, it's more chunky but has a fixed gas block.
Wish I had done that
I agree that 308 ammo has a wide range of power factors. But most 308 sa rifles have numerous gas settings. The agb should have like six settings, not 2. Big oversight by Ruger.
Totally agree. I eventually put in an aero precision adjustable gas block with 15 settings and that works fantastically!!
@@triggerbarPhDwhere did you get that aero gas block?
I’m having problems with double feeding and extraction problems…
I just bought the rifle a week ago and first time at the range and had 7-8 double feeds and ejection problems
@cristhiandoblado2257 I got my directly from aero precision but there are multiple places that sell the adjustable gas block. I do have another video “secrets to making the ruger safe reliable”. The aero adjustable gas block is .75”. But you might also call ruger and see if you have the new gas block regulator (which I’d assume you do). But might be worth a call with them before starting to modify. In the end I had to modify mine but trying to make it the least amount of work for you! 😂
@@triggerbarPhD I will try with them and if no luck I’ll probably try that aero one…
It’s crazy first 10 rounds and already had 2 ejection problems..
I did 50 rounds in total with 8 ejections including double feeding
@@cristhiandoblado2257 that's really frustrating. What ammo are you running and which setting were you running it on? You maybe running Nato rounds on setting 2, which I've found don't run reliably unless on setting 3 (and sometimes not even there).
I have had Head case separation with only AMMO INC 50% of the time out of 100 rounds, only on 10mm. As for the SFAR, I know friends who have the same problem with their SFAR.. Your YT videos. They are educational & enjoy how you do the presentation ..
Much appreciated!! Yah I think I’m done with Ammo Inc.
I’ve only used Hornady and M80 ball so far and it worked pretty good. Felt a bit over gassed on setting 3 for M80 ball.
Best of luck. Don’t give up, I bet she starts running.
I got the new regulator from Ruger also, because you mentioned it,
so we shall see if it makes improvements.
Not trying to sound like a snob, but I haven’t heard positive things about Ammo inc…ever. Your rifle just may not like that ammo. I would recommend different ammo for the reliability and function check. Just my .02
Very possible. I’ve been somewhat impressed by their 10mm offerings. Far better than federal and S&B. So it very well could be ammo. But that’s also why I want to try out a bunch. Just ran out.
The Magtec worked for me, the winchester was meh, Federal was better. If you have a chronograph, you might want to see what the differences between the higher and lower velocities have on the ejection pattern. I called ruger for a regulator, I'm having issues with the winchester with all settings. They want me to send to them instead of sending me a regulator. I'm almost tempted to install an Aero adjustable gas block because I know it's got 14 settings and I have 2 in a couple of my builds and they've worked great for me.
Another viewer did the aero one and he said it works great, if I can get close on this thing then I’m going to install the adjustable one and and be done. But… because of my gas key issue, Ruger wants me to also to send the rifle back so I’m working on that now too!
Appreciate the reporting & details you provide. It seems frustrating. I assume Ruger will work the bugs out in the coming months. If possible I would expect they will make "fixed" available to those of us who helped them beta test their new rifle. I am still on setting 3 with absolutely no issues with 308 factory & 308 reloads, ball ammo is fine also.
Thanks for that report. I doubt they’ll do anything for us, but I look forward to a gen 2. It really is so lightweight. It’s a great rifle. How is yours on setting 3? Have you put a heavier buffer in it to calm it down? Mine was ripping case heads with some ammo on setting 3 until I put an h3 buffer in.
@@triggerbarPhD No issues at all. Mostly M80. We shot 40ish 308 factory & handloads with no issues. Only very slight extractor "smear" on a few 308. 1-1.5 MOA on all 308. 1.5-2.5 MOA on M80. Over 200 rounds total. All stock parts 3-9x40 Redfield Revolution.
I can't get it to go into setting 0 for hunting in a ground blind with my 12 year old. I don't want it to eject in blind. A bolt action type setting is best IMO.
Thank you.
I called Ruger's customer support about these same issues. The lady on the phone told me she has never heard of any problems like this and that I should send it in. Having seen quite a few people that have sent theirs in with no improvement, I am not confident they would do anything to make it better. Add to that the dishonesty of the person I talked to on the phone, I have decided to look at some other options. Thank you for your video and the testing you have done. It gave me more direction than Ruger did lol.
Well that sucks. Sorry to hear that.
I have watched another RUclipsR, here is what he said about Ruger's SFAR rifle "You the buyers, you have become Ruger's test bed for development for the company".
Hahahaa, yup that’s true!!
@@triggerbarPhD I like most gun guys, will build an AR-308 in 308W or 6.5 Creedmoor, The installed 2A barrel 18” gas port is too close to the muzzle, it is under-gas so off to the gunsmith to go mix the problem by opening up the gas port, but now over-gas an adjustable gas block installed no more problem, and I only used two types of ammunition. Ruger’s SFAR rifle is not for me! Another problem that I see, is the BCG, it is a proprietary BCG. A look further - all my guns going ten years back, all are for a serious purpose these days. The decline in our military force and size presents a big problem for the country…not enough to defend the nation. An Army veteran 12y8m18d+NG time. Vietnam War vet.
@@rudolphferdinand3634 Thanks for that and totally agree! Thanks for your service my friend!! hats off to you! And I agree on the situation...a bit scary.
I have a SFAR do not use Ammo inc ammo that stuff is bad news to the point my gun range I belong to has ban it after there 44 mag blew up using it and many other problems . .also maybe I am crazy but if you have a problem with a gun change one thing and try it not 3 things at a time , that just what I was taught . My SFAR does not like weak ammo at all . I think if you look in the manual they talk about weak ammo
Solid advice. To be clear I started with only the regulator changed. Then I went to the weights and probably should have just changed the weight but I knew at that point it was just tuning the weight to the spring. And so if I just changed the weight I’d have to redo the weight once I changed the spring but I agree 1 at a time is the way to go. I get caught up in that mistake all too often.
Also the ammo inc wasn’t weak. My experience has been it’s on the hotter side and that was consistent with how the bolt was behaving.
Heavier spring more gas? Would this make all ammunition fire?
Tried those and just wasn’t enough.
A guy fixed his Ruger SFAR by changing out the Ruger adj gas block with a Rifle Speed adj gas block and another guy fixed his with a Aero Precision adj gas block. Just change out the Ruger adj gas block to an aftermarket adj gas block and you will most likely be GTG. I know no one should have to do this but it seems like the only fix right now.
I did this one mine with an Aero precision adjustable gas block and it fixed all my problems. I have a few videos on it now. I’ve heard of people using a bunch of different gas blocks and they all work. Definitely something wrong with Ruger’s, even the new gen 2 gas regulator doesn’t work as well as after market ones do.
Ruger needs to fix their SFAR gas system as it could be a great AR15/308 rifle.@@triggerbarPhD
I’ve never ran a 42 spring, I liked the tubbs because it’s stiffer going back and about the same as a carbine spring going forward, in my thoughts it seemed like it would be less wear and tear if it wasn’t slamming the bolt forwards. Good luck on your endeavors, I hope you get it where you want it
Thanks Scott. So to be clear you think the tubs would be less wear and tear?
@@triggerbarPhD that’s just my opinion. This from their site
Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Springs are unique in the fact that their load and compression rates fluctuate significantly less than a standard buffer spring.
Standard buffer spring load
Bolt in battery: 7.2 lbs
Bolt locked open: 16.5 lbs
Standard buffer spring variation: 7.5 lbs
Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Spring
Bolt in battery: 11.1 lbs
Bolt locked open: 15.0 lbs
Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Spring variation: 3.9 lbs
The Tubb Precision Flatwire Buffer Spring provides a more positive lock up when the bolt is in battery while providing the user with a linear pull when locking the bolt back instead of the clunky progressive feel of a standard mil spec buffer spring
@@sbranham86 that’s sounds awesome! I’ll check it out! I’m going to be sending the rifle back in to get the bcg fixed and then if it’s not working (again) I’ll go this route (and maybe if it is! 🤣)
This rifle has become a full time job for you! 😂 You don't give up easily! 100% brother👊👊 good stuff. 👍
Lol. I have spent way too much time one this. Fortunately I had yesterday off so I could shoot more. I just called Ruger about the bcg and they want the whole thing back so time to shoot other guns!!😂🤣
I don't shoot suppressed, I just leave it on 3 and have no problems.
That’s awesome! Glad to hear this report of it working on that setting!!
@trigger bar
Try a carbine buffer tube, spring, and weight.
I might try that. The 18" ruger AR-556 uses a Carbine buffer tube, carbine buffer weight, and a carbine spring.
The SFAR is pretty much a AR15 rather than an AR10.
Not sure why they went with the rifle buffer tube and rifle spring.
Thanks!
@@triggerbarPhD Looks like the SFAR buffer tube measures a little over 7 3/4 inches. I just ordered a .308 mil spec buffer tube that should be 8inches. I'll let you know how that goes in a couple of weeks.
@@triggerbarPhD Disregard my comment about using the AR-556 Buffer tube, spring, and weight. I did a swap and it wasn't smooth. Didn't even have to take it to the range to test it. You could just tell right off the bat.
@@speedyolvera4748 darn that stinks.
Ruger gets the award for 2023 fubar of the year.
Hahahah agreed
Why not try a Superlative Arms adjustable gas block since it allows you to bleed off excess gas?
Yes for sure. In the end I put on an aero precision 15 position adjustable gas block and it runs great. I have that on other videos.
It's a fussy rifle.
I guess you either deal with changing it up and shoot multiple ammo brands or just leave it set for one or two that work.
When is it fussy, or just simply an unreliable POS?
@@barrymccockiner6641 yeah, I was trying not to go there. But I am thinking it.
@@Iceaxehikes Is the 308AR challenging, or have other models of Ruger gone downhill like Remington/FreedomG?
That’s a fair point. And since after I get this worked out most likely I’ll be shooting 1-2 different varieties out it it’s probably the way to go! But the tester in me drives me to keep seeing if this thing actually can work!
@@triggerbarPhDWhile I applaud your drive...we are not gun testers for Ruger. I fought myself really hard not to write that in all caps.
It's a shame that you have to buy aftermarket parts to make a production rifle function correctly. All Ruger has to do is accept that their SFAR gas block is flawed and replace with a new system or use an aftermarket gas block. Very simple.
Exactly. This is a great platform but that has block is a fatal flaw.
Thank god a bear isn’t coming at you dead hunter.
Which G buffer spring are you using? The Rifle or the S42 Carbine? The S42 Carbine requires the matching buffers. The Ammo Inc stuff _may_ be under-powered, not overpowered. It appears that your rifle is gas-tight now but still needs some buffer tuning for the ammo.
Yes it’s the S42 Carbine and the buffer is the one that came with it (the H3).
@@triggerbarPhD The Sprinco Red/Orange may even allow standard or H1 weights for the buffer which may broaden it's ammo tolerance.
Great suggestion! I have the green based on another suggestion. Was going to try that as well. But maybe red or orange would be better with a lighter weight.
@@triggerbarPhD The Green may likely bind. It's a rifle length spring and works with the A5 buffer tube and a longer A5 4-weight buffer, the 308 bolt stroke requires the A5 tube length and 3-weight length buffer, creating more spring compression. The Ruger uses an Armalite/KAC buffer setup as opposed to the DPMS/AR15 tube and 2-weight buffer.
Just curious, as Ruger hasn't made any "announcements" for the new regulator W\what was the process to get the new regulator? Did you have to send the gun in or just deal request it to be sent?
I just called their support line, told them of my cycling issues and that I knew they had a new regulator and I would like them to send me one. I have heard from others that ruger made them send their gun in. I had resisted sending mine in but had to after my gas key came loose. It’s was very painless, didn’t have to use an FFL, just dropped off at a FedEx office and then was delivered to my home.
This rifle should eat everything if it has more gas adjustment.
Agreed. No excuse.
Mine is flawless on 3. Malfunctions galore on setting 2. No matter what ammo. Not sure what to do???? 250ish rounds through mine.
That was basically me, you can check out maybe my second or third sfar video. So I changed the buffer weights and that helped. Then I heard they are replacing the regulator and that’s what these tests were about. Didn’t expect my gas key to come loose though!
@triggerbarPhD at this point I don't even care if I have to run 7.62x51mm on gas setting 3! I would just want it to shoot quality .308 on setting 2 like the manual states. Or most ammo to quote it. Mine seems to be acting just like Brad Bunch but everything is tight ( I think?). I might try the updated gas block but if that don't fix it??? I'll probably get rid of it. I'm hundreds into it on ammo now & still haven't got a chance to zero optic & shoot for accuracy. Setting 2 when it does work is way better feeling IMO. I'll keep watching your struggle it might save me time & $$$!!!!! Thanx for the vid
@@dabears52501 hahaha thanks! Yah I’d call them and tell them your issues. The new regulator might fix yours.
Mechanical issues aside it seems the Ammo Inc stuff was crap. Running multiple types of ammo will of course end up with varying ejection patterns. To verify you should have checked the head stamps in each pile.
Ah good thought. I picked up all my brass and in general there were still some head stamps but not as deep and ripping of the case heads like I had with the previous regulator.
@@triggerbarPhD I meant the identifying head stamps on the bottom of the cases. If each pile was the same head stamp you know it's ammo related. However if all the piles had head stamps from each brand of ammo then it is a gun issue.
@@stephenurban9880 they all looked the same across piles and brands. Like I said, prior to the new regulator they looked horrible like way over pressured and deep gauges on the rims from extractor tears. These all had two stamps, but not as deep on the base (sorry for my confusion terminology, where the primer is).
@@triggerbarPhD Yes but what I am getting at is, was there only one brand in each pile or were the brands mixed in the piles. Brand is shown by the letters/numbers stamped on the base of the round (that is what a "head stamp" refers to).
If piles were segregated by brand, that is due to the ammo and normal. If each pile was a mix of all the brands, there is an issue with the rifle. As it is not ejecting in a consistent pattern. Which indicates inconsistent gas flow and/or something hanging up mechanically.
I could be wrong but from the video it looks like your BCG is on the dry side for lubrication. An AR10 should have its BCG sloppy with lube during its break in period.
If I understand you correctly the "two stamps" on the bottom you mention are marks from the dual ejectors. The two plunger type things on the face of the rifle's bolt.
@@stephenurban9880 ahhh that makes sense. I think they were mostly in different piles and when I was shooting suppressed vs non-suppressed. As you say I need to pay more attention to which brand is where. Thank-you. I noticed some segregation but didn’t pay close enough attention to that aspect as I was checking for the ripping marks more. Will do next time and thanks for being patient with me!
At the risk of exposing my ignorance - what the heck is the gas key? Have you got any video of you actually exposing and tightening it? I'm pretty new to all of this, if you haven't already guessed that.... *Are you talking about the two screws underneath the gas regulator?
I do! The video right before this shows the loose gas key on the bolt carrier group. RUclips isn’t fond of doing modifications to guns (yes even screwing something down). I’m still learning this too. If the gas key comes loose, call ruger. It really needs to be “staked” which is locking it in place with some special tools. Mine is currently back at Ruger after I made this video to get it fully fixed. This was just temporary to see if that fixed most of my problems from my previous video, which it did. Hope this helps!!
ruclips.net/video/fuCYvQuPyiQ/видео.html
Here is the link to the video showing the loose gas key.
@@triggerbarPhD - Thank you! Much appreciated.
I asked Turkey for his opinion, why is a 762/308 so hard to make reliable, when the 556/223 AR has been working for several decades?
It’s a great question and I think I remember you asking that. I don’t have much more. My uninformed and wild ass guess is that they never standardized it like they did the ar-15. We call it an ar-10 and there are like 3-5 different models all using different bolt carrier groups, buffer tubes, springs etc. that’s one reason I wanted this to work. While it deviates yet again, there are many parts of this that are shared with the ar-15 and it’s about the size and weight of the ar-15. But there are probably many other reasons!
Hi Barry,
Sorry about that. I am horrible at responding sometimes.
I'm with trigger bar. He about covered it IMO.
I will just add that I personally have no use for adjustable gas blocks. I don't use suppressors. I completely understand why some people want them.👍👍 I personally think that if a company cannot do it properly then they need to just send it with a *properly attached non-adjustable gas block. Try to use as many gas mitigation techniques as you can as far as the shooter ingesting it🤢.
If people want to supress then they can install a high quality adjustable gas block. My cmmg mk 4 is a beast, runs it all. My Windham ww-308 used to run perfect until one day it didnt.... shes gone.
They are just weird and annoying imo
👍👊🦃
@@theturkeysopinion There has to be some kind of auto gas regulator. Like on a scuba tank or propane grill, the pressure will always be the same. Maybe?
Looks like your getting there.
I think so. Just called Ruger about the bcg and they want it back so I’ll send it back and see if they can find anything else with it and if nothing else get a new bcg.
I always had problems with that Budget AMMO INC AMMO in using an AR platform.. All else brand works well..
Awesome! Yah I do think that ammo Inc is a bit suspect.
Honestly with all due respect.... I'd just dump it!
Wise words. Just sent it in. I’ll give that a go and see…
@@triggerbarPhD best of luck!... I think Turkey Talk got rid of his!
@@lukasstrne3780 he did. Then he heard it might work again. Lol then Brad and I tested and now he is super glad he sold his! 😂🤣
@@triggerbarPhD I run a PSA Ar10 in 6.5 creedmoor.... never a problem
@@lukasstrne3780 that’s an awesome round and glad to hear the PSA is rock solid! They make great stuff!
That failure with the ammo inc was the gun being under gassed not over gassed. You then doubled down with more weight in the buffer making the problem even worse… that ammo is clearly very lightly loaded.
You are right. I missed that in the moment. Also, I’m just not going to buy ammo Inc anymore! 😂🤣. Got the rifle back from Ruger now and with decent ammo it’s running good. Still doesn’t like setting 2 with 7.62 nato much, but runs it fine on setting 3. Normal, decent 308 runs great on setting 2. They replaced the bcg and fixed the regulator on it (again?).
@@triggerbarPhD hopefully it stays running. I sent mine in as well and it seems to be running fairly well now.
Some observations that could help, the SFAR seems predisposed to unlocking under excessively high pressure. Noticed some case head swipe in the video and mine had/has similar issues. I’d suggest running the heaviest buffer it will cycle with to try and get it to stop unlocking so early. Mine also doesn’t seem to like m80 spec ammo on anything but setting 3.
Hope it helps.
@@brandonl8039 thanks a ton! Appreciate that feedback. I’ve definitely been down the path of running an h3. Headed back out to try different springs today!
I was thinking of buying a 20" SFAR Cabela's has in town. Is there a way to tell if it has the updated gas regulator? Or should one just buy it and have a new gun that needs repair?
I really can’t tell mine apart. If you were dead set on buying one, yes buy it and if you have problems just call ruger, describe your problems and ask for one. They may also have you send it in to them. My recommendation, if you buy one, is this seems to be really based off 308 and not 7.62 nato. Also it likes spicier rounds. Low power or 7.62 nato will struggle on setting 2 which will be the most pleasant shooting experience. The gun probably wont handle every type of ammo you put in. It seems to do well with high quality ammo though. Also, keep your boxes as you may need to send it back to ruger. Their CS was pretty good to me and had my bcg fixed and returned in 1 week total time.
I'm definitely waiting to get one until you give the all clear. What a fiasco
Yah it’s been frustrating. I do think it’s possible as other people here have pointed out that the ammo Inc is just way underpowered. And that it was running just fine the other 308 and 7.62 ammo. But I’m the mean time I talked to ruger and they want it back so I’m sending it in and we’ll see! Thanks my friend!
I've already wasted (not including what I haven't shot yet) $1,000 on ammo. I won't go into gas money for endless trips to the range, range fees, or the time in my life that I will never get back in the last 8 months. What would it hurt for me to contact an attorney at this point?
No idea on that front. But they might say they didn’t make you test it or something lame like that. I would definitely ask them for ammo to be reimbursed if you haven’t already and see what they say!
is anyone paying attention to the ejuction pattern? 1 o'clock, 4 o'clock etc
Yah it was all over. This video was down before a lot more work was done on the rifle.
@@triggerbarPhD bought mine in May. Been back to Ruger twice. I replaced the gas block, H3 buffer and a red buffer spring. Ejection is good but yesterday a discovered it’s breaking gas rings! I called Ruger today and they said they’d get back to me. It doesn’t end with this gun no matter how hard I try
So what do you got running as your set up
I now have this ruger running. I put an aero precision adjustable gas block and it runs great. My go to home defense gun though is my 300 black out SBR. Love that gun and it’s reliable.
@@triggerbarPhD sounds great!! So far I changed the hand guard, CH, stock, and trigger. Haven't thought about the gas block yet 😆 I enjoy the boomer great for now until I can get a can out of jail
@@marcosablan oh yah, I’ve also changed the ch and hand guard too. My muzzle break is compatible with my suppressor. Forgot about those!
@@marcosablan sounds sweet!
That sucks when you buy a gun and it doesn’t work ❤.
Yup. Thanks my friend!
And now you calculate the cost of ammo fired and your hourly wage, and you could have bought a Daniel Defense 😂
But we would have missed the journey and all the great vids.
I was about to post something similar.
Ruger should send TBP and TTO several thousand rounds of 308/762, or several thousand dollars for all their beta testing.
At least my Ruger 10/22 works well.
Lol. Thank-you…. You are not wrong. Easily could have bought a ddm5.
@@triggerbarPhD sure, but once that pos runs you‘ll have a real connection with it and stories to tell. The DD5 is just a collection of parts.
Except DD doesn’t make a small frame… 👎🏻
@@Sjordan8922 true, the DD5 v3 is 1.5 lbs heavier. Must be all the glue on the screws
I am guessing this is after Ruger send back the rifle to you??
No. I just tightened the gas key and went to test it. The rifle is currently on its way back to me with a new bolt carrier group so we’ll see. Hopefully I can just pickup from this video.
@@triggerbarPhD maaaaan all that ammo that is been used to test this rifles is insane, why a company like Ruger stain their name like this......
@@azazelakira12 yah it’s nuts. Someone smarter like Tom over at Turkey’s opinion was wise to just sell his and stop wasting ammo.
You should look into the Strike Industries adjustable buffer. It works amazingly well in my SFAR. Also just to make you laugh, it’s Ruger S. F. A. R…… It’s not an sfar the way you pronounce it is goofy lol…. I’m at the part of the video where you are putting the heavy buffer in. Try the Strike Industries you won’t be disappointed. My SFAR runs perfectly. How many rounds did you run on setting 3? I see many dudes being impatient with the gas block and having the same problem as you. Have you tried to shoot it on setting 3 suppressed? When I have mine set on 3 and 2 suppressed the charging handle actually comes back with every shot. Luckily the charging handle only grazed my cheek. Put it on setting 1 and runs flawlessly. One other thing I noticed is you are almost limp shouldering the rifle and that could be causing your malfunctions…
I ran it for over 200 rounds on setting 3 before I moved to setting 2. I have over 900 total rounds through it. It’s not a break in. Also, it’s an RUclips urban legend you need to run it on setting 3 to break it in. It does not say that in the manual but many RUclipsrs have said that. I’ve talked to Ruger about it and they said that’s not a thing. Break in can occur on setting 2. Interesting about your strike industries gas block. I looked at changing mine. How did you 1) change the gas tube? It’s not a standard length as it’s shorter than a mid length and longer than a carbine. 2) does the strike fit the gas block dimples? I looked at an aero and it doesn’t fit so it wouldn’t be lined up correctly against the rib in the barrel and if I drilled two more it would be close to one of the others. Then 3) I could not get the gas tube out of the old gas block, did you do that instead of put a new one in? If so how did you get those pins out?? Thanks!
@@triggerbarPhD ah man I’m sorry, it’s the Strike Industries buffer. Not the gas block. But now that you mention that, it has me puzzled. I haven’t taken the hand guard off yet to see what you are talking about. I’m definitely going to have to check that out now. Is it starting to work better now? I’m going to do some digging and let you know.
@@70MikeMike oh thanks! I’m probably just doing something stupid and I’m a little OCD in some areas so when I see things to exactly line up I get worried. 😂🤣. Yes it’s working better. 308 on setting 2 and 7.62 on setting 3. Seems to be the what my gun likes.
@@70MikeMike oh also you should make sure your gas block is tight. The more I have read, many people have one or both of the screws loose and the gun is leaking gas. Just an FYI.
I'm sorry but you lost me on your different buffer changes and boxes of ammo along with different magazines, etc. I have the same rifle with everything from factory and with the exception of a couple of hic ups at the beginning, the rifle has been running flawless.
Glad yours is running great! Are you sticking with the same ammo?
@@triggerbarPhD Yes. I shoot mostly 147gr Lake City FMJ, Federal Fusion 165gr and my reloads 150gr Hornady JHP and 168gr Hornady A-MAX bullets.
Why not find a ammo that works on #2 and stick with it. Seems to me all the variables you are throwing at the gun is the issue. Even my bolt guns dont like certain ammo thus i dont use said ammo. I had a semi auto shotgun once that wouldn't feed Winchester shells. Guess what?? I didn't feed it Winchester ammo after i figure it out !! My plan is to buy a ruger Sfar, find a ammo that works and stick with it. I feel it will work out just fine. I see quite a few sfar videos on the tube that have your same issue. The common denominator i seeing is throwing any ammo you have at it and throwing parts at it. In the mechanic world we call this "a hack".
If you do that you will be fine. Please watch, if you have the patience, some of my latest videos including the one where I get it finally fixed. Have a gas key come loose on the bcg, getting that fixed and the new regulator, the gun really ran great with 308 on setting 2 and 7.62 nato on setting 3. In the end I wanted more and put on an after market gas block and now it runs great on one setting which was what I wanted. But I think your plan is a good one!
The main problem is you.
Well that’s always been the problem.