Did The Knowledge of London Just Get Easier?

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  • Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024

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  • @floydpepper8289
    @floydpepper8289 2 года назад +11

    I went down to the wire on 28's, fail and I was back on 56's.... the stress was almost unbearable. Luckily I had Courtney and he kept me calm and relaxed and I managed to get through.
    That fella is an absolute legend....not an easy ride but he was friendly and fair with everyone.

  • @JoeAchilles1
    @JoeAchilles1 2 года назад +28

    New Subscriber here, much thanks to a friend's recommendation 👌
    Literally spent the past couple days going through many of your recent videos and love them!
    Having grown up in Paddington in the 80's and 90's (my folks still live there), and being a private chauffeur mostly in central London (2013-2021), your content is literally so close to home for me and my life...
    You also clearly demonstrate why a black cabbie's are king, the road (and history) "knowledge" you have is amazing.
    Hopefully bump into you one day, keep up the great work and positive enthusiasm, genuinely great to watch 👏👏👏
    Cheers

  • @paulies5407
    @paulies5407 2 года назад +39

    Even when I was doing the K 7 years ago I thought it was excessive what they did to students. It’s a great job and I’m glad I persevered, but they need to stop torturing people so much and get them out there within 18 months to 2 years, maximum like they use to in the 80’s. A person who’s up for appearances every 28 days has a more up to date knowledge than a driver who’s been out for 20 years as they’re staring at maps all day and out pointing frequently. This is a step in the right direction.

    • @sparky6899
      @sparky6899 2 года назад +2

      I agree with this. Thinking back to when i did the knowledge 56s seems to take forever. I got red-lined on 28s and it felt like the end of the world. It makes you feel like you're wasting your time. I remember going through my 2nd time on 28s absolutely terrified of being put back to 56s. The anxiety was crippling at times.

  • @JulianShagworthy
    @JulianShagworthy 2 года назад +2

    I'm always going to use a black cab when I visit London (not very often) from now on - I always knew of this fabled 'Knowledge' that London taxi drivers had to take, but after watching your videos I had a deeper look into it out of curiosity and wow - it's basically a degree of memorisation. The utmost respect to all of you, seriously.

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад +1

      Thank you sir! This is my main aim from the channel 👍🏻

  • @jerrymccarthy2744
    @jerrymccarthy2744 2 года назад +7

    Agree with removing the redline . Once you've done your 56s you move on, you've passed that stage. You then have to pass your 28s if it takes a couple of goes so be it, it is slightly trickier. The knowledge is a hard journey and a test of character. To pass a stage is a pass. Keep the vlogs coming Tom.

  • @JAMZ6
    @JAMZ6 2 года назад +13

    I agree with these changes Tom. I was on 28’s for 18 months due to the lockdown plus having to go again 2nd time round. I was 3-3 going for my drop to 21s, lockdown came, had to wait for 4 months to get my date. The anxiety was overwhelming just waiting whether if I’m going to progress on the K or be sent back to 56s. 😥. Thank God it’s all over

  • @Roobarb_Defender
    @Roobarb_Defender 2 года назад +5

    As someone who has the greatest of respect for London cab drivers (having watching the knowledge television series many years ago with Mr Orme & his parrot!) I am glad the highest standard is being maintained. It gives me confidence as a punter that the cabbie is top drawer, plus it would be unfair to existing cabbies if the knowledge was made too easy after they had had to study so hard.
    Love your videos and the way you explain things. Keep up the good work 👍🏻

  • @graemesbikingdiary232
    @graemesbikingdiary232 2 года назад +1

    Hi Tom just found my first green taxi refreshment stop in Hannover Sq. Unfortunately it’s closed! Would never have know what it was without your videos

  • @williammcaleese2709
    @williammcaleese2709 2 года назад +1

    Good luck to you guys. In Scotland we had a mini knowledge which was 5 relatively simple route questions that you needed to get 4 right to get a badge. (It's since been replaced with 25 multiple choice to get 20 right).
    Here, it's found that you don't really gain the knowledge until you are actually out doing the job, and being away from tourist area, I can easily ask the passenger which way they prefer if I'm unsure of shortest route.

  • @Cancan2020
    @Cancan2020 2 года назад +2

    Well explained...I had been setback whilst on 56. It was mortifying.

  • @TheFairway8
    @TheFairway8 2 года назад +2

    This sounds a bit similar to how it was for me I started the Know in the early 90s. There was no red lining or from how it seemed no real structure at all, however it was unlikely you'd be put back to the previous stage.
    During my time I did seem to get stuck on 56s for about ten appearances but then only about a small number of 28s and 21s. It was totally ambiguous

  • @manifernandez6300
    @manifernandez6300 2 года назад +1

    EXCELLENT video and better explained than i could ever had. In essence this new process IS more fair for prospective students and would be more confident to have done it this way myself...albeit, there are no shortcuts as you still have to have the required standard👍🏻

  • @azizbass
    @azizbass 2 года назад +1

    Hi Tom. I think it'll be a fairer system this way. I got 4 red lines had to go back to the map test twice but after 5 years 4 months when I got my drop to 21's got a double A from Mr Shaw what a relief! I was the last to ever get that mark I think. I failed the finals twice. Roll on 5 and a half years I'm so glad I stuck it out.

  • @MatrixFuse
    @MatrixFuse 2 года назад +1

    I think it's a good thing. The standard is still there, just without the unnecessary pressure. Especially regarding the redline. I'd say it's the equivalent of taking your driving test with the pressure of knowing it would be a 6 month wait to get another test booked in vs being able to take it again in a weeks time; taking away that pressure doesn't make the driving test easier, it just removes unnecessary additional external pressure that has nothing to do with your ability to pass the test based on your ability to drive safely.

  • @tippysdaddy7468
    @tippysdaddy7468 2 года назад

    Great respect for you Tom. Thanks for this. I am new to your vids, saw you on Sinead's tour, looking forward to seeing more of your channel. Take care mate, you have great presence. ❤

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад

      Thank you! Had a great day shooting with Sinead and learnt so much! She is a wealth of knowledge

  • @malincedz
    @malincedz 2 года назад +1

    I’m more focused on That shocking brickwork above your left shoulder lol

  • @Gary-mu1bu
    @Gary-mu1bu 2 года назад +1

    Good video Tom hope work is going well👍

  • @taxicrew1
    @taxicrew1 2 года назад +2

    My tutor always said to me. There is no traffic on the knowledge.

  • @hublanderuk
    @hublanderuk Год назад

    Can you do a video explaining the different colour of badges since you have a Green Badge which is the whole of London but some drivers have yellow badges which are parts of London. I did know somebody who was a yellow badge holder for East London

  • @davidshort-magicinthecab7309
    @davidshort-magicinthecab7309 2 года назад

    Deffo got asked the avoid all red lights , fella just liked to test the cabbies always ends up worlds end from brompton road .

  • @kphedges1
    @kphedges1 2 года назад +2

    I had redline or req with Mr Thomas, talk about pressure, pushing back to previous stages was cruel.

  • @truebrit3578
    @truebrit3578 2 года назад

    When I saw the posting date, April 1, I was a little cautious about this!

  • @alextaxi2593
    @alextaxi2593 2 года назад

    Traffic lights I once drove from kent to nw london through the town non stop every traffic light was green 3am Tuesday

  • @kelboy5097
    @kelboy5097 2 года назад

    thanks tom for this imformation

  • @PaulShare1
    @PaulShare1 2 года назад

    I feel sure it will be just as difficult to pass as this ensures that those who pass appreciate the badge - when they are finally working standards will remain high as fear of losing the badge must always be maintained.

  • @seanpaul_day
    @seanpaul_day 2 года назад

    These marginal changes are implemented prior to further changes that are currently being considered. I’m not quite sure why they didn’t wait and incorporate them into an overall package. They might help current students avoid being redlined, but will they encourage take-up? That’s what is important. TPH could start by abolishing the fees. I for one would be quite happily pay more for my license if it subsidised the KOL

  • @stevenl4262
    @stevenl4262 2 года назад

    Unbeliebable video mate

  • @blanco7726
    @blanco7726 2 года назад

    Yo Tom does your cab end with 21 DYP hahaha I think I just crossed you on Oxford street. Banging, been in London for half an hour lol.

  • @joshmoonman6224
    @joshmoonman6224 2 года назад

    I remember lads, who to the examiner, had clearly not been out on the bike, were pushed back to 84's!

  • @petardoh
    @petardoh 2 года назад

    In my opinion it's good ,to cancel this redline and moved the tricky questions to 21. I think examiners should concentrate more on the main areas of the work. Central London Mayfair etc and not asking little points with turnaround somewhere in edge of radius. First thing to forget it's that .

  • @NoNonsenseJohnson
    @NoNonsenseJohnson 2 года назад

    Removing the red lines is a Game Changer.

  • @griffin5184
    @griffin5184 2 года назад

    Just bumped into you outside Marylebone Stationnsorry for randomly saying "I follow you" like some crazy stalker 🤦🏻‍♂️great content fella!

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад

      Hahah! No troubles! Great to briefly say hello 👍🏻👋🏻

  • @AlonsoRules
    @AlonsoRules 2 года назад +5

    They need to make vehicles cheaper first

    • @ajs41
      @ajs41 2 года назад +1

      I always use black cabs when I'm in London. Never used Uber or similar taxis. Maybe because I'm a traditionalist.

    • @AlonsoRules
      @AlonsoRules 2 года назад

      @@ajs41 Uber is a joke, there's no cameras so drivers can get away with just about anything, lost items are never returned with any pace, surge pricing targeting drunks and no guarantee of insurance

    • @AlonsoRules
      @AlonsoRules 2 года назад

      I am also referring the cost of the vehicle for owner drivers, not passengers

  • @nearlygoodenuf
    @nearlygoodenuf 2 года назад +2

    I really love your channel, but I couldn’t disagree more with this video. I know we need to stimulate participation in the KOL, but diluting the standards is NOT the way. Same as you do, I still use segments of the no lights runs every day. That’s the point of doing them in the first place. I never cut corners on the KOL because I knew it would pay me back when I got on the road. The lightening strikes (now obsolete because of LTN’s) and no lights runs have been invaluable in my decade in the taxi.
    Thanks for breaking down the changes on your vlog. I’m flabbergasted at how far these measures go. Not good at all Tom.
    Good luck on the road Tom. I’ll see you out there. Love the channel. Be lucky. Kev

  • @bells1969
    @bells1969 2 года назад +1

    To be totally honest with you I’d say it’s a good thing removing it it takes a lot of pressure off the student them examiners I’m not gonna let you pass until they think you’re ready no light runs well I think they’re a good thing to learn once you become a cab driver they can be difficult but well worth learning All that we need now is competitively priced cabs and get rid of the bloody turning circle most places you do a U-turn you just end up getting a ticket

  • @yoshiadams2349
    @yoshiadams2349 2 года назад +1

    Tom

  • @christjwt
    @christjwt 2 года назад

    Love London and hence love your videos...apologies from someone who doesn't know..but is there a text book for learning The Knowledge ..or is it just a case of looking at maps for time.....not because I want to be a cabbie.. but I love broadening my knowledge and horizons ..thanks.

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад +1

      Sort of. It’s called The Bluebook. Available from WizAnn. 320 runs that cross london to get you started 👍🏻

  • @ajs41
    @ajs41 2 года назад +1

    I was a bit disappointed to have a black cab driver in London recently using a GPS on a smartphone. I use black cabs because the drivers know The Knowledge.

    • @freedom495
      @freedom495 2 года назад

      I'd be interesting to know where he picked you up from and where he took you too.

    • @floydpepper8289
      @floydpepper8289 2 года назад +1

      Black cab drivers use satnavs like they would use A-Z map books. Its an aid rather than a necessity.

  • @danaschoen432
    @danaschoen432 2 года назад

    NEVER EVER let the near-do-wells take away this very high standard!

    • @Roy-rr5ds
      @Roy-rr5ds Год назад

      n'er short for never

  • @petehodges1060
    @petehodges1060 2 года назад

    Hi Tom. I did the KOL about 20 years ago. When I was at 28’s with 9 points, I then went 3 or 4 D’s and was redlined. On reflection the extra time needed helped me and after that went straight thru.
    I agree with your assessment.
    BTW I’m getting a TXE soon. Have no idea where to put my phone. Don’t like suction cups on windscreen. Also don’t like blocking air vents but you’ve got your phone on the central screen. How is that possible?
    Pls tell 🙏

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад

      I use a magnetic mount 👍🏻

    • @petehodges1060
      @petehodges1060 2 года назад

      Thanks for the swift reply. Have u stuck the mount onto the frame around the screen or on the screen itself. I assume it’s on the frame?

  • @jonathang8263
    @jonathang8263 2 года назад +1

    Great video as always Tom. You alluded to "tricky" examiners. Are some of them really miserable and deliberately set out to make tests virtually impossible? Does anyone review the examiners and how fair they are, or is it just pot luck and there's a wide difference of test difficulty depending on who you get?

  • @TheL184
    @TheL184 2 года назад

    Tom it should get considerably easier for the sake of the future of the trade. People love London black cabs. But the number on the knowledge is more than alarming. Add 10 years will anyone be on the knowledge..
    I think the yellow badge drivers could be offered the chance to study the central London circuits and be given the opportunity to earn green.
    I also think the knowledge would attract decent enough numbers if you just mastered the magic circle.
    This will attract super divided opinions but I think far more people would come forward and ultimately, knowing every single street and backstreet in central London (and what can still be used is still a massive achievement) if that means that a future cabbie may not know every Street to Sydenham.. I don't think that's the end of the world!
    Current cabbies wouldn't agree but I'm so sure this would be a massive solution

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад

      I do and I don’t agree. I definitely think that YB should come a bit more into centralish to cover some of the dead areas where GB generally don’t work or are only passing through.
      YB should also be easier to obtain. It takes just as long as the GB!
      It’s a tricky one with areas such as Sydenham, as yes, I could not navigate down there without my cabbies mate and frankly with LTN’s popping up everywhere I wouldn’t dare risk it. It’s also very uncommon to do jobs west to east out in these further areas. But I still think the actual process itself is the character building exercise. Wether you go there or not, or utilise that knowledge is by the by, I think it’s the dedication thats required that earns the badge and retains a cabbie with strong values.
      Finally, I believe the benefits of the job should be self evident. In years gone by, it kinda sold itself, someone knew a friend of a friend who did The K and was doing alright for themselves. Nowadays everyone has so many career options and opportunities, it’s almost overwhelming. This is partially why I wanted to make the channel, I want to share my account as someone who’s done it and how it works. 😊

    • @TheL184
      @TheL184 2 года назад

      @@TomtheTaxiDriver Cheers for the reply I Tom. I'm always gonna be engaged by your content. But the point you make there at the end tom feels like the crux of my point here. Word of mouth is powerful. But if there is no Mouth (and ever decreasing amounts of it. Then there is no word. And when there is no Mouth, then there is no trade.
      And I think logic needs to be the essence, far more than the character building. You may have been the best coal miner. But when there is no coal mine then yes the persons character will take them far elsewhere, but if we don't want to take it elsewhere then drastic action needs to be taken and that's where my point goes in making the knowledge more attractive. And in order to do that you need enough drivers telling enough people why they should spend years on this and not on a gas installation course.
      Cabbies need Knowledge boys to survive. The trade is absolutely not old fashioned it's so busy out there I can see with my eyes but the knowledge is and I think it desperately needs to become similar to what I mentioned to get those people getting on it now more than ever

  • @hi-tech55
    @hi-tech55 2 года назад

    Then you have to find 70k for an electric cab.

  • @anthonymichaeldurkin6244
    @anthonymichaeldurkin6244 2 года назад

    still requires dedication sacrifice, thankfully...

  • @chrisstjohn9403
    @chrisstjohn9403 2 года назад

    Question needs to be asked why the changes now.
    Most likely because knowledge students numbers are down.
    It’s all because of The disruptive tech companies financial clout with influence.
    The hurdles put in front of you by the examiners set the standards by removing them one at a time over the coming years, pushed by TFL will eliminate one thing for sure quality.

    • @airbus350ulr
      @airbus350ulr 2 года назад

      april fools

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад

      It was introduced back when there was too many candidates on the knowledge, seems only fitting to remove it as it’s the opposite problem now

  • @colinmatthews6894
    @colinmatthews6894 Год назад

    You forget half of it anyway!

  • @vjary8142
    @vjary8142 2 года назад

    Good

  • @nightsupersteve
    @nightsupersteve 2 года назад

    In 2022 with the cheapest phone having a sat nav it's pathetic learning something so obsolete.
    Keep a few black cabs for the tourist but personally prefer ordering a cab through a app.

    • @aaron4310
      @aaron4310 2 года назад +1

      subjects in you comment are something he's already touched on in previous videos. maybe go check them out...

  • @seamusblack5876
    @seamusblack5876 2 года назад +1

    The red lines was one of the reasons I decided not to start The Knowledge and now they've bloody taken the bite out of them just my luck And I can't reapply because I was so exasperated by my treatment by TfL (2.5 years just to finish Application Process because of mistakes by them ) I sent them an angry email But whatever onwards and upwards Its all far too expensive now anyway even with this change which is well overdue

  • @hptt3710
    @hptt3710 2 года назад

    They should scrap the red line completely, it’s not necessary. Examiners will know who is more deserving and put through the hard working candidates who are putting in 10-12 hours a day and make the ones quit by continually d’ing them. Before the red line was introduced it was always a 80% drop out rate and most likely always will be

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад

      It has been removed 👍🏻

    • @hptt3710
      @hptt3710 2 года назад

      @@TomtheTaxiDriver you could be redlined, just not go back a stage 👍

  • @mjt8199
    @mjt8199 2 года назад

    Posted 8hrs ago on April 1st. Call me cynical 🤔

  • @oneteaminbristolbcfc
    @oneteaminbristolbcfc 2 года назад

    Thanks for the vid Tom. I hope they just don’t start watering it down like they’ve done down here in Somerset!!
    When I took my knowledge test 20 years ago it really meant something!!! Now don’t mean shit. Sadly are council panders to the political correction brigade, sadly losing sight of quality and honesty in are trade!!!
    Wouldn’t be surprised if TFL brought in like are council you can’t pass or fail but……..
    ✌️❤️

  • @mehuksuria373
    @mehuksuria373 2 года назад

    Do really still need knowledge test that much long because with technology All is changing and after test dose cab driver remember all run I don't think so it just need to reduce whit time

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад

      See this video ruclips.net/video/azjdJeIiyEM/видео.html

  • @1eddwood
    @1eddwood 2 года назад

    Of course it’s easier ffs they only do 320 runs not 400 , no driving test , people just don’t wanna do the work

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад +1

      The knowledge was never about the runs, that’s just getting started, the crux is P2P

  • @1eddwood
    @1eddwood 2 года назад

    Just making it easier , coz nobody wants to do it , dumbing down

  • @mikeconnors3880
    @mikeconnors3880 2 года назад

    it was never hard to start with. Could be done in a week. If it was that hard you would get the calibre of taxi drivers we had that did not go to school passing it. I know a few who are as thick as two planks who passed the knowledge.

    • @davidbrown9947
      @davidbrown9947 Год назад

      Have you tried

    • @mikeconnors3880
      @mikeconnors3880 Год назад

      @@davidbrown9947 Know plenty with no brains who have done it and passed. All from working class background with no real education.

    • @davidbrown9947
      @davidbrown9947 Год назад

      @@mikeconnors3880 oh dear. HaveYOU tried? What has class got to do with it?

    • @mikeconnors3880
      @mikeconnors3880 Год назад

      @@davidbrown9947 why would I want to try it when I have a degree and a professional job. All I'm saying is that the course is not so hard that it takes 4 freaking years or whatever. I could do it in one month but because the people who the course are dunces hence why it takes 4 years. Furthermore no one from a middle class family goes into cabbing.

  • @HoxtonHotspur
    @HoxtonHotspur 2 года назад

    Like you did in the video, I wish people would stop calling black taxi’s “Cabs.”
    Cabs are driven by people who don’t have anywhere near the knowledge of London’s streets like black taxi drivers have.
    Good vid explaining the new system.

    • @LiveFromLondon2
      @LiveFromLondon2 2 года назад +1

      utter nonsense. Clearly, you have no idea of the meanings/origins of the words taxi and cab are. You probably also dont know the origin of minicab.

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад +2

      Cab come from the French word cabriolet, a light two wheeled carriage with a folding hood. First seen in London in 1823.
      Source: The London Taxi. Nick Georgano and Bill Munro

  • @LiveFromLondon2
    @LiveFromLondon2 2 года назад +2

    A lot of repetition and waffle to get over 10 minutes. Not good.

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад +2

      Yawn, 10 minutes on YT is a myth. AVP is king. I make them as long as they need to be.

    • @bobsteryt
      @bobsteryt 2 года назад +1

      The over 10 minute rule hasn't existed on youtube now for quite a while. It's 8 minutes for mid-rolls, and either way it doesn't affect anything any more

  • @flyinghedgehog3833
    @flyinghedgehog3833 2 года назад

    All bollocks in 2022 ...redundant rubbish...also who can afford a black cab ride? Rip off UK at its worst.

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 года назад +1

      5/6 people, it’s cheaper and quicker than the tube? 🙄

    • @flyinghedgehog3833
      @flyinghedgehog3833 2 года назад +1

      @@TomtheTaxiDriver fair point,..but your average is 1 or 2 pax? Grab / Uber is far better value around the world.

    • @LiveFromLondon2
      @LiveFromLondon2 2 года назад

      @@flyinghedgehog3833 Uber is poison. The people who run it are devoid of normal morals, the people who use it are naive. As for the drivers, some are ok, most are idiots.

  • @paulstanley2789
    @paulstanley2789 2 года назад +1

    Knowledge is complete rubbish and not needed.

    • @roybarker1290
      @roybarker1290 2 года назад +3

      😜 I can assure you don’t have a clue.

    • @kenwhite9218
      @kenwhite9218 2 года назад +1

      I take it you tried to do it, found it too difficult and gave up.
      Its not rubbish at all its why London Taxi drivers are always voted to be the world.

    • @kenwhite9218
      @kenwhite9218 2 года назад +1

      Best in the world.

    • @kenwhite9218
      @kenwhite9218 2 года назад +1

      @Gareth Mathew you have no idea what you're talking about. Its not just getting from A-B but knowing the Best way which is not always the straightest.Plus the thousands of points that have to be learned, sat navs don't give them do they.

    • @LiveFromLondon2
      @LiveFromLondon2 2 года назад

      @Gareth Mathew noone said satnav was shit. its just not as good as actually knowing. On a normal day with no traffic, of course a satnav can do just as well. But as there is no such thing as a normal day with no traffic in London. But more to the point, how does the uber driver type in "the back of Harrods" or "Finchley Road by the cinema"? By the time the uber has fucked about with the satnav, the black cab is halfway there. That is the difference, and that is why people with real money dont use shit like uber. Uber is for those who want people to think they've got money. Otherwise known as pretentious pricks.