Under New Zealand Load Restraint Legislation. that is an insecure load. The top pallet can be crushed, letting the load loose. The forklift op would be in trouble(legal chain of responsibility) for not letting you strap the bottom pallets down THEN strap down the top layer.
@@kellymcdermott2546 yeah you'll see the next video I ask the question hopefully I get the answer, it will be Saturday 1 video and another video Sunday this week 🙂
As a HGV Driver I wouldn’t entrust Forkies to load a toaster never mind my wagon…….You shove on a High vis, a hard hat and you watch these muppets because at the end of the day they don’t care and it’s the Driver of the Wagon responsibility once that load is on the back. No point in grumping afterwards………Act accordingly. 🚛🚛🚛
@@user-to8ww9ve1n it's not I wasn't happy I made it clear to them I was going to be damaging your polystyrene to get enough grip on the roofing material that was in there I wasn't bothered it's just when I mentioned it they wasn't botherd.. so I made it tight enough to be happy to take the load, it would of been different if it wasn't tightened then id have to tell them to move it as then it becomes unstable load but in this matter it wasn't.
That's why I don't pull flatbeds or courtinsiders any more. Vans and fridges baby, you put two straps at the back and it's fine. At the last job I had courtisiders I refused three trailers in three days and they sent me home. I told them that they did me a favor. I was at flat rate at that job, no matter how many hours you worked you got the same money. I was the only driver tried to secure the load. I found another job with vans and better money and I am there the last 6 years. Happy days.
@@chrishar110 well main thing is your happy now 🙂 hard to find a job that's van work that pays more money than a wagon especially around my area but glad your happy that's all that matters mate 👍
Your the driver if you don't like the loading don't take it ,the driver is only responsible once on the road, the loder and his supervisor are responsible for insuring that the load is safe and secure. I have refused more than once, remember once on the road you are responsible.
@@jamesconnolly3827 absolutely correct, but when I asked them, The load with the polystyrene is going to get crushed with my straps and it will damage your product they say, all driver do it, and they have mentioned it to BMI, the load was secure I can comfirm this but I damaged all the polystyrene doing so, as a respectful HGV driver I will always tell them what I'm about to do so hopefully they can fix it then and there but they wasn't botherd, I even ask them if I can get out and strap up before putting there lighter stuff on top that said no I'm releasing a video with a few questions so you may hear there response 👍
Could you not throw a strap through the bottom pallet and then over the top? Securing the top pallet to the bottom pallet; Bottom pallets strapped to the deck? I'm a new pass and had *ZERO* training for securing the load. Just a bunch of theory questions about it. If I walked into a job like that and had to figure out how to secure that load on my own I'd be shitting myself. Common sense is telling me I'd probably tell them to take the boxes off the top so I can secure the bottom pallets first before I left that yard, but I'm not there actually doing it.
Basically 9 times out of 10 you can get out of your vehicle in a yard and strap up your load and secure to the deck and then they can put lighter items on top afterwards, but BMI have a stupid rule where you cant leave on site where forklifts are operating, I tryed to put my strap on the pole I had but it wouldn't go through, I knew I had an option for the front 4 pallets but what I'll do first before I do it is tell them am going to throw a strap over them but I am going to damage the polystyrene side protectors for the items to get to the harder material inside the reaction was basic "I don't care, every other driver does it" so I want back to my truck and strap it to get enough tight on the load that I was happy 😀 and I was so I thought let's goo.. But yeah I tryed to help them but when someone asks that mind set of no caring it just make not care too But if I couldn't of got it to tighten up then I would rejected load and rang it in 🙂 But yeah I tryed a few options first and nothing worked but to do it the way I did it on video.. 👍 And even if you are going on long journeys always stop off at a services open the curtain or whatever you've got and just pull on the strap to see if it's tight If not give it a couple of more clicks because it does loosen on travel as your hitting bumps and stuff.. Hope it helped 👍
Kev: Definitely had bad weekend and week. Didn't help that the east coast of the states had hurricane with severe t-storms went from the south to north. Yesterday's vid when you mentioned what are the flag things, those are actually semaphore signals. Frist introduced in the 1840s by Charles Hutton Gregory on the London and Croydon Railway. These signals quickly became the standard for railway signaling in Britain and were widely adopted by the mid-19th century. Present days are being phased out for more modern ones. The signal contains a pivot arm and a spectacle holding the contact lenses. The arm's position indicates different signals and the lenses provide visual indications at night. Arm rises indicate clear. Arm lowers indicates stop or slow, depends. I won't go further for you won't understand and it's too much to write here. Lastly, DEFINITELY need more humor sprinkled throughout. The one on the trees had me rolling for 5 mins straight. NEEDED THAT!!! Thx for that. Rewatched three times. It was that good!!!
Thank you for giving me the basics of what it's about cause they definitely not use them anymore as the modern trains probably don't need them and I think you mentioned the phased out but cool to know what they was.. I am glad to have made you happy about my stupidity sense of humour 😂 I hope no one was affected in the storm and you get through it if it's still around 😞
@@Anonymous-Kev you use your mirrors,feel how the trucks moving with every pallet,theres ways to do it ,and you never move a truck with double stacked pallets without securing.
@steve-ip6qs okay Steve 😏 I am responsible for making my load safe as you see in the video it was as I tested all the straps, I don't think you understand my point. 😂
@@chriswatts1680 could of done, but as you seen load was secure, it was mainly damaging the product but they wasn't interested in making it right so I thought fine you don't care well I'll have same attitude and just damage your item trying to secure my load 😏🤦
That's not true, I have 3 current types of forklift licence (Reach/Counterbalance/Flexi) and have never been taught how to load a wagon. We are taught how to lift loads on and off a wagon in a safe manor. We are guided by what the driver wants.
😂 he was actually okay I was talking to him, and yeah the Scania is nice but I was trying somthing with the carama so ended up being abit blurry so post anyways 👍
Hi,are you allowed out of you're wagon at this site? If so kit up with ppe and supervise you're wagon as its being loaded as previously stated it on you're watch, its not the first time ive seen drivers pull curtains and something has fallen out luckily no injuries so tramp on and be very wary,ex military stores person forklift driver regards from Scotland 🇬🇧🏴🎥
@@Ivc406 hi, you are not allowed to get out of your vehicle to watch them load up you have to wear all your PPE on all BMI sites including hard hat, as you seen thay load the first section which is the heavy items, then they tell you to follow them to the next section where they can load the lighter items, instead there should be saying please get out your vehicle strap up the first section so that when we put the lighter stuff on top you can use internal straps to support it but unfortunately all the BMI sites just don't care if you watch some of my other videos 🙂
Question sir when you dropped the trailer at the yard would they inspect the load and if not satisfied by the way it was loaded would they send it back and have it redune or reload it at the yard
@@Anonymous-Kev When you dropped it at your company yard and picked up the empty or would it be left to the driver who picked it up and completed the dilvery
So because because didn't complete the delivery and it went back to our yard, I left all my straps on and took some extra straps, It's up to the next driver to check if all is still tight and not strapped incorrectly I've done my part by getting it safely to its point, straps do loosen up all the time so it's always better just to give it an extra click every so often, The main point of this video was just to show the forklift driver wasn't being helpful by just placing anything anywhere I came up to him and said I am going to be strapping this and my only solution is to strap it over the polystyrene and he just shook his shoulders in another way of saying I don't care, and they don't let you get out on the site where you're being loaded so you can't check. The only BMI site that I actually don't mind is the one in Coventry all the others just have the attitude of don't care.
@@Anonymous-Kev thank you for your explanation I understood the message you were sharing with the viewers I was just wondering how it would be managed once you dropped the trailer for reroute and if the next driver had a similar concern or if did not feel comfortable with the way it was loaded by the fork lift operator what would happen at that point aswell I'm sure you made your company aware of your concerns to any possible damage to the product due to the fork lift operator and loading of the items Thank you again
@@regtimmins1944 yeah always ring your company to let them know what actions to have to take because it only would go back to them for insurance damage, so to cover your back always take that as a first priority 🙂👍
Why not use internals for the 1st ones rather than damage them 🤷🏻♂️ bit excessive just to prove a point that could be avoided anyway and thought ibc’s should have 2 straps each
1st question I didn't damage the product for content as it was mentioned to them on the weight bridge, I am not sticking a camera in there face and telling them to repeat it to satisfy people like yourself to confirm it was true that they don't care you even believe me on that or you don't.. The product inside was hard I think it was roofing material it was just the sides that was packaged in polystyrene which once I got enough tight it gripped onto the product inside yes I damaged the polystyrene but after I mentioned it on the weight bridge they seemed to just not care! As it's from BMI site to BMI site
@@Anonymous-Kev who said anything about a camera or content internal straps would have been enough and then no damage to the polystyrene would have been done my opinion just being an awkward guy for nothing really yes the way some of it is loaded has left alot to be desired which im sure if polite enough you could have gotten some pallets moved into better positions
@@andym2679 it was just how you described it meaning I'm trying to do it for content, I do apologise if that's not what you meant, internal straps can't be used on items that are half a ton you need to use ratchet straps The items in the polystyrene was still at a heavy weight because they were roofing materials, The polystyrene was just to protect the sides, and as I did mention it to them on the weighbridge that I'll have to put force down on the polystyrene to grip it, as I need to hold down the items underneath the polystyrene, There attitude was just I don't care. On my previous videos I've been to many other BMI sites and my experience with them just all the same, apart from the country BMI this one is fine. But as a forklift driver myself for 10 years before doing HGV, you are supposed to help by placing the items on the back in the correct place and also tell the driver that what you're doing before just doing it and sending them on the way meaning get them out let them strap up before placing more items on top, common courtesy considering the driver is not allowed out the cab, so I can't see what's going on 👍
What I usually do with soft pallets like that is throw a empty wood pallet on top to help spread the force of the strap.
Greetings from the USA.
I must visit USA I want to see this place 😎
Under New Zealand Load Restraint Legislation. that is an insecure load. The top pallet can be crushed, letting the load loose. The forklift op would be in trouble(legal chain of responsibility) for not letting you strap the bottom pallets down THEN strap down the top layer.
@@kellymcdermott2546 yeah you'll see the next video I ask the question hopefully I get the answer, it will be Saturday 1 video and another video Sunday this week 🙂
As a HGV Driver I wouldn’t entrust Forkies to load a toaster never mind my wagon…….You shove on a High vis, a hard hat and you watch these muppets because at the end of the day they don’t care and it’s the Driver of the Wagon responsibility once that load is on the back.
No point in grumping afterwards………Act accordingly. 🚛🚛🚛
that's funny, I wouldnt trust them to load a toaster! 🤣
If you're not happy about how it's loaded get the forklift driver to alter it or don't take the load out
@@user-to8ww9ve1n it's not I wasn't happy I made it clear to them I was going to be damaging your polystyrene to get enough grip on the roofing material that was in there I wasn't bothered it's just when I mentioned it they wasn't botherd.. so I made it tight enough to be happy to take the load, it would of been different if it wasn't tightened then id have to tell them to move it as then it becomes unstable load but in this matter it wasn't.
That's why I don't pull flatbeds or courtinsiders any more. Vans and fridges baby, you put two straps at the back and it's fine. At the last job I had courtisiders I refused three trailers in three days and they sent me home. I told them that they did me a favor. I was at flat rate at that job, no matter how many hours you worked you got the same money. I was the only driver tried to secure the load. I found another job with vans and better money and I am there the last 6 years. Happy days.
@@chrishar110 well main thing is your happy now 🙂 hard to find a job that's van work that pays more money than a wagon especially around my area but glad your happy that's all that matters mate 👍
I really appreciate that your time and effort into these road 🛣️ videos kev.
Glad you like them! Cheers mate 👍
Your the driver if you don't like the loading don't take it ,the driver is only responsible once on the road, the loder and his supervisor are responsible for insuring that the load is safe and secure. I have refused more than once, remember once on the road you are responsible.
@@jamesconnolly3827 absolutely correct, but when I asked them, The load with the polystyrene is going to get crushed with my straps and it will damage your product they say, all driver do it, and they have mentioned it to BMI, the load was secure I can comfirm this but I damaged all the polystyrene doing so, as a respectful HGV driver I will always tell them what I'm about to do so hopefully they can fix it then and there but they wasn't botherd, I even ask them if I can get out and strap up before putting there lighter stuff on top that said no I'm releasing a video with a few questions so you may hear there response 👍
Could you not throw a strap through the bottom pallet and then over the top? Securing the top pallet to the bottom pallet; Bottom pallets strapped to the deck? I'm a new pass and had *ZERO* training for securing the load. Just a bunch of theory questions about it. If I walked into a job like that and had to figure out how to secure that load on my own I'd be shitting myself. Common sense is telling me I'd probably tell them to take the boxes off the top so I can secure the bottom pallets first before I left that yard, but I'm not there actually doing it.
Basically 9 times out of 10 you can get out of your vehicle in a yard and strap up your load and secure to the deck and then they can put lighter items on top afterwards, but BMI have a stupid rule where you cant leave on site where forklifts are operating, I tryed to put my strap on the pole I had but it wouldn't go through, I knew I had an option for the front 4 pallets but what I'll do first before I do it is tell them am going to throw a strap over them but I am going to damage the polystyrene side protectors for the items to get to the harder material inside the reaction was basic "I don't care, every other driver does it" so I want back to my truck and strap it to get enough tight on the load that I was happy 😀 and I was so I thought let's goo..
But yeah I tryed to help them but when someone asks that mind set of no caring it just make not care too
But if I couldn't of got it to tighten up then I would rejected load and rang it in 🙂
But yeah I tryed a few options first and nothing worked but to do it the way I did it on video.. 👍
And even if you are going on long journeys always stop off at a services open the curtain or whatever you've got and just pull on the strap to see if it's tight If not give it a couple of more clicks because it does loosen on travel as your hitting bumps and stuff..
Hope it helped 👍
Kev:
Definitely had bad weekend and week. Didn't help that the east coast of the states had hurricane with severe t-storms went from the south to north. Yesterday's vid when you mentioned what are the flag things, those are actually semaphore signals. Frist introduced in the 1840s by Charles Hutton Gregory on the London and Croydon Railway. These signals quickly became the standard for railway signaling in Britain and were widely adopted by the mid-19th century. Present days are being phased out for more modern ones. The signal contains a pivot arm and a spectacle holding the contact lenses. The arm's position indicates different signals and the lenses provide visual indications at night. Arm rises indicate clear. Arm lowers indicates stop or slow, depends. I won't go further for you won't understand and it's too much to write here. Lastly, DEFINITELY need more humor sprinkled throughout. The one on the trees had me rolling for 5 mins straight. NEEDED THAT!!! Thx for that. Rewatched three times. It was that good!!!
Thank you for giving me the basics of what it's about cause they definitely not use them anymore as the modern trains probably don't need them and I think you mentioned the phased out but cool to know what they was.. I am glad to have made you happy about my stupidity sense of humour 😂
I hope no one was affected in the storm and you get through it if it's still around 😞
you watch how they load if you dont like it you get it reloaded,your truck your responsible thats the rules
I watch how they load? Please explain how you do this without getting out the cab as you are not allowed!?? 🤦
@@Anonymous-Kev you use your mirrors,feel how the trucks moving with every pallet,theres ways to do it ,and you never move a truck with double stacked pallets without securing.
@steve-ip6qs okay Steve 😏 I am responsible for making my load safe as you see in the video it was as I tested all the straps, I don't think you understand my point. 😂
If you know better you get a forman or manager to sort out a responsible driver ,,,its your responsibility 100%
Thanks kev for the double video, am happy enough with just 1 but if you do 2 am not complaining, keep it up 👍
I'll do my best 🙂
Yep, forklift should of said to you what he's doing before loading it up as your sat in the cab it looks like so how what you of known.
Yeah exactly 👍
Another great video
Glad you enjoyed it
I 'd would've asked them to re load
@@chriswatts1680 could of done, but as you seen load was secure, it was mainly damaging the product but they wasn't interested in making it right so I thought fine you don't care well I'll have same attitude and just damage your item trying to secure my load 😏🤦
That's not true, I have 3 current types of forklift licence (Reach/Counterbalance/Flexi) and have never been taught how to load a wagon. We are taught how to lift loads on and off a wagon in a safe manor. We are guided by what the driver wants.
What a machine.😍 13:03
Well he was a miserable sod wasn't he. 20:49 🤦♂
😂 he was actually okay I was talking to him, and yeah the Scania is nice but I was trying somthing with the carama so ended up being abit blurry so post anyways 👍
Hi,are you allowed out of you're wagon at this site? If so kit up with ppe and supervise you're wagon as its being loaded as previously stated it on you're watch, its not the first time ive seen drivers pull curtains and something has fallen out luckily no injuries so tramp on and be very wary,ex military stores person forklift driver regards from Scotland 🇬🇧🏴🎥
@@Ivc406 hi, you are not allowed to get out of your vehicle to watch them load up you have to wear all your PPE on all BMI sites including hard hat, as you seen thay load the first section which is the heavy items, then they tell you to follow them to the next section where they can load the lighter items, instead there should be saying please get out your vehicle strap up the first section so that when we put the lighter stuff on top you can use internal straps to support it but unfortunately all the BMI sites just don't care if you watch some of my other videos 🙂
Question sir when you dropped the trailer at the yard would they inspect the load and if not satisfied by the way it was loaded would they send it back and have it redune or reload it at the yard
Hi reg, which yard do you mean the delivery side or where I collected it from?
@@Anonymous-Kev
When you dropped it at your company yard and picked up the empty or would it be left to the driver who picked it up and completed the dilvery
So because because didn't complete the delivery and it went back to our yard, I left all my straps on and took some extra straps, It's up to the next driver to check if all is still tight and not strapped incorrectly I've done my part by getting it safely to its point, straps do loosen up all the time so it's always better just to give it an extra click every so often, The main point of this video was just to show the forklift driver wasn't being helpful by just placing anything anywhere I came up to him and said I am going to be strapping this and my only solution is to strap it over the polystyrene and he just shook his shoulders in another way of saying I don't care, and they don't let you get out on the site where you're being loaded so you can't check. The only BMI site that I actually don't mind is the one in Coventry all the others just have the attitude of don't care.
@@Anonymous-Kev thank you for your explanation I understood the message you were sharing with the viewers I was just wondering how it would be managed once you dropped the trailer for reroute and if the next driver had a similar concern or if did not feel comfortable with the way it was loaded by the fork lift operator what would happen at that point aswell I'm sure you made your company aware of your concerns to any possible damage to the product due to the fork lift operator and loading of the items
Thank you again
@@regtimmins1944 yeah always ring your company to let them know what actions to have to take because it only would go back to them for insurance damage, so to cover your back always take that as a first priority 🙂👍
Why not use internals for the 1st ones rather than damage them 🤷🏻♂️ bit excessive just to prove a point that could be avoided anyway and thought ibc’s should have 2 straps each
1st question I didn't damage the product for content as it was mentioned to them on the weight bridge, I am not sticking a camera in there face and telling them to repeat it to satisfy people like yourself to confirm it was true that they don't care you even believe me on that or you don't..
The product inside was hard I think it was roofing material it was just the sides that was packaged in polystyrene which once I got enough tight it gripped onto the product inside yes I damaged the polystyrene but after I mentioned it on the weight bridge they seemed to just not care! As it's from BMI site to BMI site
@@Anonymous-Kev who said anything about a camera or content internal straps would have been enough and then no damage to the polystyrene would have been done my opinion just being an awkward guy for nothing really yes the way some of it is loaded has left alot to be desired which im sure if polite enough you could have gotten some pallets moved into better positions
@@andym2679 it was just how you described it meaning I'm trying to do it for content, I do apologise if that's not what you meant, internal straps can't be used on items that are half a ton you need to use ratchet straps The items in the polystyrene was still at a heavy weight because they were roofing materials, The polystyrene was just to protect the sides, and as I did mention it to them on the weighbridge that I'll have to put force down on the polystyrene to grip it, as I need to hold down the items underneath the polystyrene, There attitude was just I don't care.
On my previous videos I've been to many other BMI sites and my experience with them just all the same, apart from the country BMI this one is fine.
But as a forklift driver myself for 10 years before doing HGV, you are supposed to help by placing the items on the back in the correct place and also tell the driver that what you're doing before just doing it and sending them on the way meaning get them out let them strap up before placing more items on top, common courtesy considering the driver is not allowed out the cab, so I can't see what's going on 👍
@@Anonymous-Kev once you got out and seen you could have asked them to move the pallets to a suitable position